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Specific Families and Genera => Iris => Topic started by: John85 on February 12, 2020, 09:12:27 AM

Title: Unknown Iris
Post by: John85 on February 12, 2020, 09:12:27 AM
Looks very much like an ordinary "germanica" but is flowering every year begin february
Dark blue  , white beard with a bit of orange
Could it be a hybrid with unguicularis or is that impossible?
Title: Re: Unknown Iris
Post by: Maggi Young on February 12, 2020, 02:13:23 PM
Wow! I have  no idea if  such a  hybrid  is  possible  - how  interesting!

 
Title: Re: Unknown Iris
Post by: David Nicholson on February 12, 2020, 03:18:49 PM
Looks very much like an ordinary "germanica" but is flowering every year begin february
Dark blue  , white beard with a bit of orange
Could it be a hybrid with unguicularis or is that impossible?

Picture would be useful?
Title: Re: Unknown Iris
Post by: WSGR on February 13, 2020, 07:48:56 AM
Yes, a pic would be very helpful!
Title: Re: Unknown Iris
Post by: John85 on February 13, 2020, 01:23:53 PM
I have been told that it could be iris unguicularis var cephalonica but i can't find any information about this variety
Title: Re: Unknown Iris
Post by: Maggi Young on February 13, 2020, 01:58:40 PM
Seems iIris unguicularis var cephalonica is not  a  valid  name -  perhaps  just  a  variety of Iris unguicularis cretensis ?
 But  is the  foliage  more  like  germanica  or  unguicularis?  ( Difficult  for you  with no camera, I  understand  that!)
 
Title: Re: Unknown Iris
Post by: John85 on February 14, 2020, 09:56:11 AM
Indeed Maggi my camera is a non digital one
Var cretensis is a dwarf one and this plant is about 45 cm(1 1/2')high
Foliage is large than the usual unguicularis but not as large as a germanica
Also if I remember well unguicularis as only one flower per stem
This plant as two
Title: Re: Unknown Iris
Post by: Maggi Young on February 15, 2020, 07:57:19 PM
John85 got  a  friend to photograph the  flower and here  it is ....
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I cannot  say I see  any  signs  of  hybrid blood  there.  :-\
Title: Re: Unknown Iris
Post by: arilnut on February 15, 2020, 08:25:11 PM
I would guess it is an I. aphylla.

John B
Title: Re: Unknown Iris
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 16, 2020, 09:17:01 AM
The New Zealand hybrid 'Wanganui Gem' is very early flowering here. Could it have made it's way to the UK?
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Unknown Iris
Post by: John85 on February 16, 2020, 10:27:28 AM
Isn't Aphylla flowering much later?
This plant is flowering since begin february
The lady who gave me the Iris brought it back from Portugal
Title: Re: Unknown Iris
Post by: John85 on February 16, 2020, 12:19:11 PM
I wonder if it could be Iris subbiflora
Title: Re: Unknown Iris
Post by: LucS on February 18, 2020, 11:10:04 AM
I wonder if it could be Iris subbiflora
This is a good possibility.
Iris subbiflora is growing in Portugal.  Leaves are more or less evergreen and the flowerstem can reach 40-50 cm.
The flower looks like a big iris lutescens.
Title: Re: Unknown Iris
Post by: Tom Waters on February 28, 2020, 05:09:08 PM
The extra bud (branch?) partway down the stem makes I. subbiflora unlikely. The spathes seem inflated, like they are in I. aphylla. It could also easily be an old garden hybrid or a "germanica" type. A photo showing the whole stem, as well as height information, would be helpful.
Title: Re: Unknown Iris
Post by: Armin on March 02, 2020, 05:33:48 PM
Hi all,
the image from John reminds me of I. (pallida ssp.) llyrica of croatia. Flowing height approx. 40cm, flowering time April to May. 
Of course not matching with Portugal and Feb. flowering...
Title: Re: Unknown Iris
Post by: Yann on March 03, 2020, 08:56:00 PM
the stems are not the puffy ones found in subbiflora.
subbiflora heigh is usually 15-40 max
I think it could be germanica (plant 45cm?) , found in the nearby of a village?
In Portugal during the 60's many hybrids were made crossing subbiflora and germanica.
Cutting rhizome of germanica doesn't produce a kind of milk, subblifora produce a very scented "milk".
Title: Re: Unknown Iris
Post by: Pauli on May 11, 2020, 02:48:14 PM
Could this be Iris sicula?
From central Sicily, on a rocky meadow above vineyards.
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