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Title: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: annew on April 04, 2019, 01:17:52 PM
Just finished logging in last year’s narcissus potting into the computer. Thought it would be interesting to tot up the totals:
   No. bulbs
sp/other people’s cvs chips (ch 18)      375
sp/other people’s cvs                      3222
Own seedlings                              3847
Own seedlings chips (ch 18)              802
                                                 total   8246
 :o :o
Now to start on the snowdrops!
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: Mini-daffs on April 05, 2019, 01:05:21 AM
 ;D ;D
Anne, you sound suitably qualified to work as a minion on our 'umble farm!! Not sure you would keen on the polystyrene boxes as they are a heavier!
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: annew on April 05, 2019, 08:43:47 AM
;D ;D
Anne, you sound suitably qualified to work as a minion on our 'umble farm!! Not sure you would keen on the polystyrene boxes as they are a heavier!
Is it within easy commuting distance?
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: Anthony Darby on April 05, 2019, 11:38:36 PM
I have autumn narcissi out now. It has been very wet, but temperatures still in the low 20s. First one I think is Narcissus deficiens. The others are N. obsoletus from two sources.
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: Anthony Darby on April 05, 2019, 11:51:52 PM
A closeup of the flower of Narcissus deficiens.
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: Anthony Darby on April 06, 2019, 10:19:50 AM
I have been told that this, grown from seed sent by Bill the Bulb Baron, is a cross between Narcissus 'Autumn colors' and (possibly a tetraploid) 'Paper White'.
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: fermi de Sousa on April 09, 2019, 10:34:07 AM
We got this autumn flowering daffodil from Lawrence Trevanion in Canberra.
It originates from Harold Koopowitz in the States and he called it "SFR" - small, flat, round!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: YT on April 09, 2019, 05:21:30 PM
Narcissus triandrus, ex MS.590
From seed exchange 2014 No.2848, their first flowers from seeds :)
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: Roma on April 09, 2019, 10:22:54 PM
I'm going to lower the tone here and show some big daffs and a couple of small doubles

This patch of Narcissus 'Van Sion' and probably 'King Alfred' is flowering really well this year.  The clumps are a bit congested but no way am I going to dig up bulbs in grass.

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Narcissus 'Mount Hood' never seems to get really white

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This is a seedling parentage probably 'Mount Hood' or 'Empress of Ireland' x Roseworthy'.  I rather like it.  'Roseworthy is a prolific seeder.  There are so many seedlings often very similar to the parent I am not sure I could identify the real thing.

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Another seedling

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Narcissus 'Pencrebar' disappearing under the Daphne again.  I thought I had lost it but it reappeared when I cut back the daphne a few years ago.

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Last but not least Narcissus 'Rip van Winkle'.  I was growing it in a pot and thought it looked virused so I threw away the bulbs under some larch trees which have since been felled.  A flower appeared a couple of years ago and the leaves look perfectly healthy.

 

Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: Roma on April 09, 2019, 10:24:28 PM
Miscounted the number of pics.  Here is Narcissus 'Rip van Winkle'

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Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: Anthony Darby on April 10, 2019, 05:17:24 AM
We got this autumn flowering daffodil from Lawrence Trevanion in Canberra.
It originates from Harold Koopowitz in the States and he called it "SFR" - small, flat, round!
cheers
fermi

Look like what Rafa calls Narcissus deficiens. Corona has three small scales rather than a tube. The tube widens slightly towards the petals. so it is not serotinus. Here's a good page to look at. http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=16048.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=16048.0)
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: Rafa on April 12, 2019, 11:27:05 AM
Some Narcissus from Burgos
Narcissus assoanus subsp. assoanus
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: Rafa on April 12, 2019, 11:28:48 AM
Narcissus iohannis
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: Rafa on April 12, 2019, 11:29:36 AM
Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. validus
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: Rafa on April 12, 2019, 11:31:43 AM
Narcissus triandrus
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: annew on April 12, 2019, 12:23:02 PM
Narcissus iohannis
I have some iohannis from your seeds, Rafa. It is a little beauty, but how is it distinguished from N. triandrus?
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: Rafa on April 12, 2019, 06:54:34 PM
Anne, the key is the leaves, while N. triandrus have 2 strip in the back side, N. iohannis have several, variable number of them and very often asimetric something that indicates a possible hybrid origin.
Also the flowers have differen proportions between tepals and corone. In N. iohannis it is almost the same dimention and in N. triandrus tepals are longuer than corone.

This is why I don't supported any moresubsps in Ganymedes sections. So the species are:

- N. triandrus
      . var. loiseleuri
- N. iohannis
- N. pulchellus (not sure if it is the older name)
- N. lusitanicus
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: annew on April 12, 2019, 08:29:00 PM
Thank you, I will have a look at my different forms. Just one thing- I have seen you use the first photograph to explain N. alejandrei - are they the same?
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: Rafa on April 12, 2019, 09:31:31 PM
yes Anne, you are right, it was an old picture. N. iohannis has been also described as Narcissus triandrus subsp. triandrus var. alejandrei.
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: Yann on April 13, 2019, 04:59:07 PM
I just discover your posts Rafa, you show here some nice daffodils.
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on April 19, 2019, 07:56:16 PM
Narcissus x cazorlanus.

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Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: Gerdk on April 21, 2019, 02:27:15 PM
Narcissus obesus - doing well in the rock garden

Gerd
Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: Roma on April 27, 2019, 07:57:24 PM
Narcissus jonquilla, grown from seed a long time ago.

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Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: Roma on April 27, 2019, 08:00:08 PM
Two bigger daffs.  Narcisus 'Red Hackle'  one of the old Brodie daffodils.  A lovely colour when newly open but fades quickly in the sun.

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Title: Re: NARCISSUS APRIL 2019
Post by: Roma on April 27, 2019, 08:05:02 PM
Narcissus 'Easter Bonnet'.  A similar colour but a bigger flower and does not fade so quickly.  This year it flowered in time for Easter.  Only one flower and I'm not sure how deep the bulb is as I thought I had removed it but it still keeps coming up though not increasing much.[attachimg=1]
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