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Title: Pleione 2019
Post by: Johan K. on February 07, 2019, 04:02:26 PM
Pleioneflowers of the last month.

First one was Pleione Wharfedale 'Pine Warbler'.

Second one : Pleione 'Sirena'.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 07, 2019, 04:47:55 PM
Lovely P. Sirene J.K. !
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: sjusovare on February 07, 2019, 07:12:13 PM
are the edges of the sepals/pertals purple or is it an artefact from the camera?
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on February 08, 2019, 02:33:21 PM
First Spring-flowering pleione here is the violet-lipped form of Pleione humilis:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4809/33151769428_b1af630e75_o_d.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4862/33151769318_c2131b7be3_o_d.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4876/33151769388_a4c271e622_o_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Geri88 on February 08, 2019, 05:02:06 PM
These are some of my favourite.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Jules on February 08, 2019, 07:27:59 PM
Hello there,

I am pleased starting growing Pleione again, because my collection completely collapsed in summer 2017 and, because of health problems and with no one to take care of them, almost all died. I was very frustrated and completely not feeling is the mood about growing Pleione again but now my situation is better.
By the way, I ordered some from Maren Talbot (many thanks!) and from Akerne in Belgium (many thanks also for Kenneth)
I hope to be soon able to share with you my Pleione blooms!
I'm already pleased to sea the blooming period is starting for some of you.

Jules
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 08, 2019, 09:19:48 PM
First Spring-flowering pleione here is the violet-lipped form of Pleione humilis:


My dear Steve, each time I see your pix, I'm just about blown away by their quality !
When combined with a truly superb pot of humilis, I'm simply lost for words.

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on February 26, 2019, 11:01:09 AM
Very many thanks Luc.

Here are a few selected forms/clones of Pleione humilis. The first is a form with darkish red markings on the lips -only subtly different from the violet-lipped form:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7812/32274593667_8f783ec470_o_d.jpg)

The second is a single small pseudobulb of Paul Cumbleton’s Farrer Medal winning plant:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7909/32274593767_da286898ec_o_d.jpg)

The third is a single clone that I selected from some seed-raised humilis initially from the labs of Anthura. This single pseudobulb has three flowers of an attractive colour with a faint yellow suffusion showing through the red lip markings:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7894/32274593787_42c3ceacb2_o_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: PaulFlowers on March 03, 2019, 09:26:44 PM
Pleione Melbury Christine Walker. It’s gorgeous! Well I think
So
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: PaulFlowers on March 03, 2019, 09:28:19 PM
eiger snowflake- the camera just can’t capture how lovely this is
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: sjusovare on March 08, 2019, 07:47:27 PM
1st one for me this year

Pleione Lhasa 'Blushes'
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 10, 2019, 03:18:49 PM
Good old Pleione hekla 'Locking stumps' is my first of the year.

But there's some more to come !  :D
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 10, 2019, 07:34:53 PM
Pleione 'Fuego'

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Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Tim Harberd on March 14, 2019, 11:05:04 AM
Hi There,
   Just thought I’d like to record here, the passing of my mother, on Valentines Day. (14th Feb)

   She died at home, with family, ten days before her 91st Birthday.

   Her final passing was a lot more dignified than some of the near misses of the last few years.

   I attach a photo of her namesake, Muriel Harberd, from a few years ago.

Tim DH
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on March 14, 2019, 02:24:16 PM
Oh Tim, I am very sorry to hear of your loss - your  Mother was  clearly an inspiration to your  Father  and the two of  them have  added much to our  knowledge of  pleiones. My sincere condolences to you and all your family.
  Mrs Harberd will be  well remembered by the orchid bearing  her name.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Gail on March 14, 2019, 10:10:25 PM
So sorry Tim, and hope that the beautiful pleione that bears her name will be a source of comfort to you as time goes on.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 17, 2019, 11:33:05 AM
So sorry to hear that Tim, my sincere condolences.  What a splendid memory this outstanding Pleione will always be to remember her.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 17, 2019, 11:35:29 AM
Some Pleiones in flower today :

Pleione Glacier Peak

Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 17, 2019, 11:40:40 AM
Two more :

Pleione Lhasa Blushes

Pleione Snow Monkey
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: sjusovare on March 17, 2019, 12:55:11 PM
Are you sure this is Lhasa 'Blushes" Luc ?
Mine has a really orangy color inside the lip rather than red like yours, and the lip seems overall much wider and open... which is odd for a selected clone...

Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 21, 2019, 08:45:18 PM
Are you sure this is Lhasa 'Blushes" Luc ?
Mine has a really orangy color inside the lip rather than red like yours, and the lip seems overall much wider and open... which is odd for a selected clone...

They are distinctly different Julien... mine comes from Ian Butterfield some 3 years ago ?  ???

I've just googled Lhasa 'Blushes' and saw a number of different 'Blushes' appear...  ::)
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: sjusovare on March 22, 2019, 06:25:26 AM
Really odd, mine comes from ian Butterfield too, this year...
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: PaulFlowers on March 24, 2019, 09:33:35 PM
pleione Sirena, snowbunting and caparro
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: vigor on March 26, 2019, 09:15:50 AM
[attachimg=1]The newly described species Pleione arunachalensis
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: PaulFlowers on March 26, 2019, 07:14:13 PM
This tiny little thing is gorgeous; pleione Krakatoa painted lady. I’ve added a couple more pics as the flower ages and changes colou
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 27, 2019, 08:30:45 AM
(Attachment Link) The newly described species Pleione arunachalensis

Exquisite Vigor !!

Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 27, 2019, 08:35:57 AM
This tiny little thing is gorgeous; pleione Krakatoa painted lady. Just out

Lovely grex, isn't it Paul ?!

Here, I'm very happy with my newly acquired Pleione Sabatini

Pleione Piton 'Sering' is a recross by Jan Moors (B) of the old hybrid from Ian Butterfield.

One from the master : Pleione Michael Butterfield 'Crowned Eagle'
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: sjusovare on March 27, 2019, 12:54:37 PM
Really nice Vigor.
It's amazing how it reminds of Plan Nyiarongo (aurita X coronaria)
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: PaulFlowers on March 27, 2019, 09:14:07 PM
the sabatini is amazing Luc
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: vigor on March 28, 2019, 10:32:52 AM
Really nice Vigor.
It's amazing how it reminds of Plan Nyiarongo (aurita X coronaria)

I feel the same before I see the real plants :),but there are small and dense spots at two sides of its lip
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on March 30, 2019, 08:38:28 PM
The Pleione arunachalensis is superb Vigor.
Is it easy to grow?
Will it ever become available commercially?

Pleione albiflora
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7887/33622658808_6c20d0de4c_o_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 01, 2019, 10:14:22 AM
Another stunning display Steve.

Some more flowering here :


Pleione Marion Johnson 'Bubs'

Pleione whakari 'Dune Lark'

An unnamed Anthura hybrid - could be P. 'Burnsall'

Pleione Glacier Peak

Pleione Michael Butterfield 'Crowned Eagle'


Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Tim Harberd on April 01, 2019, 11:20:52 AM
Hi There,
   The season has opened here with P. Follifoot ‘Princess Tiger’. Not one of my favourites, but reliably floriferous.

Tim DH
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: PaulFlowers on April 02, 2019, 06:34:47 PM
I know the topic comes up repeatedly but I wondered if you could help me identify pleione with virus. I know colour breaks are important but I can also see how pigment is naturally patterned sometimes on petals.

I’m attaching a few pics and would love it if people could help me work out if these have a viral infection and I should destroy them.

Sorry about the scribbles. I’m in a hotel room trying to do this on my phone

From memory they are

Sirena
Edgecombe
Shangtung Ridgeway
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: sjusovare on April 02, 2019, 10:43:11 PM
1 and 3 are clearly viral, for the 2nd one it would be easier from another angle (this one is seen in transparency, doesnt really allow to determine whether it's factually pigmentation or texture)
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: PaulFlowers on April 03, 2019, 07:02:41 AM
Julian

Thanks for getting back.

Here are other angles and close up of flower 2- the final pic does look like a colour break.

Is the only course of action destroying the others? They are very robust plants etc. Does their virus affect other orchid species?

Thanks Paul
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: sjusovare on April 03, 2019, 06:55:35 PM
Unfortunately, I'd say it is also viral :(

It is true that pigmentation can be naturally patterned on the petals and sepals, but in this case, the patterns usually are mirrored between corresponding petals or sepals and they have a regular shape, not random "watermark" type.

There is unfortunately no cure for virus so far, and it effectively doesnt seem to affect the vigor of the plant, however it is highly contagious and spreads really fast to a whole collection, which is why it is advised to destroy suspicious plants, or at least keep them totally isolated from others.

According to Karel Týbl who isolated and described this virus (PlFBV) it can easily infect other orchid species in mixed collections...
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on April 05, 2019, 09:46:35 PM
Pleione forrestii

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7813/47478627602_1ff138d8ca_o_d.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7846/47478631842_57d0733a1c_o_d.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7860/47478630922_e64e19c9bf_o_d.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7905/47478628882_4182a401b7_o_d.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7809/47478633882_857441c2bc_o_d.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7899/32589097867_41ca49a826_o_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: PaulFlowers on April 06, 2019, 06:16:24 PM
Steve- are they white forrestii? Beautiful
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on April 06, 2019, 11:24:15 PM
Steve- are they white forrestii? Beautiful

Thanks Paul.
I also have a white form with violet lip markings which hasn’t flowered this year.
I find forrestii -especially the white forms, to be the most inconsistent and problematic of all Pleione species. With me forrestii is prone to fungal attacks and rot whilst the flower buds abort very easily with temperature fluctuations (something that is difficult to avoid under glass especially if days are sunny and nights are cold).

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7603/16836183259_7da75ce1e2_o_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: sjusovare on April 07, 2019, 07:36:10 PM
Tell me about it, the only time I actually had forrestii flowers for me was in the fridge until the flower was open...
I also find that despite the usual advice to grow it on mainly moss, I had less fungal and bacterial issues (in my growing conditions) on totally mineral mix (kanuma or even leca).. of course it forces me to water a lot more in summer
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: PaulFlowers on April 09, 2019, 05:27:15 AM
This is the first time it’s flowered for me; I think it’s lovely. Pleione Suswa Sand Plover
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 09, 2019, 07:37:36 AM
I also like it a lot Paul !  Very nice, mine is also in flower right now.

P. Suswa 'Sandplover'

and

Pleione Bonobo
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: vigor on April 09, 2019, 07:53:18 AM
my spring flowers
most of them are primary hybrids
[attachimg=1]
Tacama

[attachimg=2]
Ashima

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Burnsall

[attachimg=4]
Muriel

[attachimg=5]
Toff

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Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: vigor on April 09, 2019, 07:58:00 AM
[attachimg=1]
Siamang

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Calleva

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Tibesti

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Krakatoa

[attachimg=5]
Querudolf

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Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: vigor on April 09, 2019, 08:00:36 AM
[attachimg=1]
Tongariro

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Nozomi

[attachimg=3]
Mayke Ame

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Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Tim Harberd on April 22, 2019, 03:17:56 PM
Happy Easter!
   Things have just got going here, in the sudden warm spell we're having.

Cultivars in view:

Harlequin, Ducat, Mary B, Princess Tiger, Natasha and Regal.

Tim DH
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: PaulFlowers on April 23, 2019, 09:19:37 PM
Pleione Nyiarongo
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on April 23, 2019, 09:45:05 PM
Nice  one, Paul!
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on May 02, 2019, 02:08:03 PM
Pleione x confusa
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/40790017253_343be68e12_o_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Graham Catlow on May 03, 2019, 02:31:13 PM
Pleione ‘Hekla’ (I think). Has been in this trough for 2 winters with no additional protection. Always a chance of losing it but it was one I had acquired and didn’t really want to put too much space and time into it so every year is a bonus. More cultivars going in the garden this year.

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[attachimg=2]
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on May 03, 2019, 03:14:49 PM
A Pleione growing with a Dryas - that's not  something you see every  day! 
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Graham Catlow on May 03, 2019, 07:04:49 PM
Ah yes! A bit of a mixed bag there Maggi.
Pleione, Dryas, Allium, Rhododendron, Roscoe, Hosta and Dactylorhiza all growing in the same medium.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on May 04, 2019, 09:07:02 AM
Various forms of Pleione grandiflora:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46840061655_3702677d85_o_d.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47756574361_022dd6577c_o_d.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47756577051_6076bea54e_o_d.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46967223134_2d1a3382f3_o_d.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46967224074_5af85d599a_o_d.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46840062755_af740c5d0e_o_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Tim Harberd on May 04, 2019, 09:29:48 PM
Hi Steve,
   Just got back from a few days away… and catching up on your photos…. Excellent as always..
   What is the origin of your P. x confusa? It looks rather like Ducat to me! The stippled pink stripe on the petals I associate with Shantung crosses.. also the distribution of the red in the lip is more extensive than I would expect from x confusa.
   I attach archive photos of the two, as, sadly, I no longer have x confusa myself.

Tim DH
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on May 05, 2019, 11:14:30 AM
Thanks Tim.
After looking at your images and reading your post I scuttled off to check my plants, a few of which are still in flower. I also looked at images from previous years and other online resources. I have to agree, my plants do indeed appear to be Shantung Ducat.

I have plants labelled as x confusa from two sources -one is from a close friend who was initially given a pseudobulb almost 15 years ago from a contact of his. The other source was from an initial pseudobulb bought from the late Günther Blankenburg in 2013 (as x confusa “Golden Gate”). It is descendants of the latter plant that feature in my image above.

Many thanks for pointing this out. Though disappointing I must admit to having had some nagging doubts myself.

By intent I only grow forms of Pleione species and Primary hybrids. Having purchased many plants online in the past I find that I now have a number of un-named hybrids that have been sold to me as species. I have pseudobulbs labelled as Pl. grandiflora red lip from three different sources: two of these have flowered and are clearly hybrids (see pictures below). The third has grown well but has never flowered. I have also in the past bought a number of Pl. forrestii white/alba/semialba -only to discover them to be yellow forrestii or something else on flowering.

Here are the two flowered “Pl. grandiflora red lip”. The first is an autumn-flowering plant, possibly from the Pl. Wharfdale grex. I would be grateful for suggestions as to what the second plant is (the shape/form of the flower is reminiscent of yunnanensis or even scopulorum but it clearly also has forrestii blood).

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4795/39831219555_bedeeef908_o_d.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33901418918_da40e00fe3_o_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: ian mcdonald on May 05, 2019, 12:29:52 PM
Having looked at Pleione Gallery photos. for some time I wonder at the variation in named plants and wonder if the naming is correct? If the flowers are different then perhaps there has been some "crossing" in the plants history, then again, I,m not a Taxonomist. Well grown plants Steve, you must have a large collection and the expertise to grow them.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Alex on May 10, 2019, 01:12:33 PM
Nice plants, Steve. Those two Im pretty sure are Wharfedale ‘Pine Warbler’ and Krakatoa. The latter especially is beautiful.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on May 11, 2019, 12:27:00 AM
Many thanks Alex.
Your suggested names fit perfectly.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on May 11, 2019, 12:36:43 AM
Pleione chunii
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33928354028_daa8dbf93d_o_d.jpg)


Pleione scopulorum
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47016095734_468e76eced_o_d.jpg)


Pleione yunnanensis -a few different clones:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47016097214_8878caba60_o_d.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47016096634_41050f7545_o_d.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47016097824_ed8f17210e_o_d.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46888940035_c7c8eeec58_o_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Don Peace on May 15, 2019, 04:58:16 AM

Help needed!

I’m trying to identify a clone of Pleione Ueli Wackernagel that was given an Award of Merit (AM) by the ‘RHS Joint Rock Plant Committee’ at Hexham AGS/SRGC show a few weeks ago. It was given an AM “Subject to a cultivar name”.

See https://twitter.com/RHSJointRock/status/1112679887947616259 (https://twitter.com/RHSJointRock/status/1112679887947616259)

[attachimg=1]

I bought the initial bulb in 2012 but unfortunately my attempts to trace the origin of this stock have drawn a blank.

Before I try to dream up an appropriate name, I need to ensure that my plant does not conform to any of the known named cultivars.
I’m aware of a number of clones (some with names and some with just numbers) but have ruled out all but one.
•   ‘Calcite’ - a near white clone
•   ‘Quartz’ - a near white clone
•   ‘Regal’ – Bred by David Harberd under the initial number 'H169.7'. The photo of 'Regal' from Tim Harberd on the SRGC forum (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15025.45 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15025.45)) and another photo emailed to me by Tim show that 'Regal' differs from my own plant in both flower shape and the amount of yellow in the lip marking
•   H169.1 – Another of David Harberd’s clones and a sister seedling of ‘Regal’. Again I’m ruling this one out on the basis of flower shape
•   H169.2 to H169.6 may no longer be in cultivation. Correct me if I’m wrong
•   ‘Pearl’ – a pale clone originating from a cross made by Jan Berg and named by Paul Cumbleton.
•   ‘Pink Pearl’ – another clone originating from a cross made by Jan Berg and named by Paul Cumbleton. This is from the same seed pod as ‘Pearl’ and judging from photos I’ve found and in Paul’s opinion may be the identity of my plant

So:
Is my plant ‘Pink Pearl’?
Are there other clones of P. Ueli Wackernagel in existence?
The grex was registered by Pinkepank. Are there Pinkepank clones in existence? Where did 'Calcite' and 'Quartz' come from?

I appreciate that colour is difficult (depends on the lighting, the camera, the computer screen etc.)
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Paul Cumbleton on May 16, 2019, 06:32:43 PM
Hi Don,
I can't say any more than already on your pink clone, but I can confirm that both 'Quartz' and 'Calcite' were also named by me. They came from a re-make I did of Ueli wackernagel using 'Pearl' as one parent and another different, un-named pale clone as the other. In the end neither proved good growers and ultimately both declined and died, so neither of these clones exists now.

Paul
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Don Peace on May 16, 2019, 08:27:19 PM
Thanks Paul,

I very much appreciate your additional info on 'Quartz' and 'Calcite' - useful in terms of building up the wider picture regarding Ueli Wackernagel.

There must surely be a very limited number of clones in existence and the AM clone is such a good clone it would surely have been named already. This all leads me to think that it is in all likelihood 'Pink Pearl'.

Hopefully someone else out there may have information or views on whether my plant is indeed 'Pink Pearl'.

It would be useful to know if anyone is currently growing 'Pink Pearl'.

Regards
Don
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Tim Harberd on May 18, 2019, 11:06:10 AM
Hi Don,
    On April 11th 2009 Eric Locke apparently posted photos of four different UW clones..

    Pearl, 3 & 4 from Jan Berg and, presumably one other, but the photos are no longer there.

    May be some other forumist can advise on missing pictures?

Tim DH

Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on May 18, 2019, 11:15:40 AM
Some  photos  are  missing  because  of the  method used to  load them to the  forum - others  have  been removed - but I saw  Eric' photos  of  Pleione Ueli Wackernagel  forms the  other  day - I'll try to  find the  site  again!

Assorted  photos here, of  course  : http://www.pleione.info/pleione-hybrids-gallery-t---z.html (http://www.pleione.info/pleione-hybrids-gallery-t---z.html)   but I'm on the  hunt  for  Eric's  pix....

 quite a few  here - https://www.orkidehagen.no/pleione/ (https://www.orkidehagen.no/pleione/)     but  not  of the right  ones!  or  here  http://www.pleioneworld.dk/pleione-hybrids-1-2/nggallery/page/4 (http://www.pleioneworld.dk/pleione-hybrids-1-2/nggallery/page/4)  right  orchids, different  photographer!
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Tim Harberd on May 24, 2019, 08:07:25 AM
Hi There,
   End of season shots from me:

H139.1 P. Stromboli ‘Senorita’… This one has gone up my ‘Favourites’ ranking in recent years, because of its habit of looking up.

M205.2 P. bulbocodioides 6X  RGB Edinburgh ACC.NO: 812467… I appreciate the long stem on this cultivar.

L2 P. x taliensis ‘Lushan Mist’… A particularly gladdening sight since I thought I might have lost this. Hopefully the start of a comeback.

Tim DH
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: erf on October 12, 2019, 12:27:50 PM
Hello all
I have been contacted by a friend i China, Assistent Prrfessor Mrs. Sha-sha Wu. She is working at a Fujian Agriculture and Forestry University, writing on some papers on Pleione species. For that purpose she would like to get in contact with Martin Hazelton and Kath Fairhurst. Do anyone have contact informations on them.
Erling
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Tim Harberd on October 13, 2019, 08:11:56 PM
Hi There,
   Springwood have just released their new catalogue. I’m not a buyer of Pleiones, so can’t I recommend them from experience. However, since they are an established specialist Pleione nursery, I thought I’d flag up their existence here. (According to the ‘Search’ they were last referenced on this forum in 2013)

Tim DH

Ah! The pdf is too big for posting here... So I've dumped the contents into a txt file... If you want a copy of the pdf send me a pm.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 18, 2019, 11:02:30 AM
Has anybody heard from Ian Butterfield ?
Is he issuing a new catalogue this year ??
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Slug Killer on October 20, 2019, 06:36:58 PM
Hi Luc, Ian has sent a catalogue out in the last two weeks. Its the 2017/2018 version with Pleione crossed out if unavailable. There is also a supplementary list of newer Pleione with it.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Tim Harberd on October 26, 2019, 08:38:49 AM
Hi Guys,
      Don Peace is STILL trying to track down a grower of Pleione Ueli Wackernagel 'Pink Pearl'  (See earlier posts on this thread in May). It'll be interesting to see how the AGS decides to resolve this conundrum.. The easiest (and most satisfactory) solution would be if a 'Pink Pearl' grower came forward. Failing that, some photos of 'Pink Pearl' would be helpful.

Tim DH
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 29, 2019, 03:28:30 PM
Hi Luc, Ian has sent a catalogue out in the last two weeks. Its the 2017/2018 version with Pleione crossed out if unavailable. There is also a supplementary list of newer Pleione with it.

Thanks David !
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Bart on November 04, 2019, 01:46:56 PM
Pleione 'Slender Loris':
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and Pleione Wharfdale 'Pine Warbler'
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just opened here. This Autumn my collection has been decimated by woodlice! Initially I blamed slugs for hollowing out large pseudobulbs, but I have found a lot of woodlice feasting away on pseudobulbs of any size. Where some years I lose the odd pseudobulb, this year the damage is devastating. And sadly it is mostly the largest and most promising specimens that have been eaten. A few pics of the damage:
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I am now harvesting all despite the fact that dormancy isn't complete. Tricky pest to control really if you grow your Pleione outdoors until they go dormant. Does anyone have suggestions how to minimise damage?
I also lost my very last Confirmation. Very sad, I had it for years and really loved it. I have lots of Wharfdales in bud if anyone wants to swap some for a Confirmation?
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Tim Harberd on November 04, 2019, 02:41:55 PM
Hi Bart,
   Sorry to hear of your losses... Woodlice I'm familiar with, but not as a threat to Pleiones. My outdoor Pleione growing space is shaded by a Fig Tree and Woodlice are a  REAL   nuisance gnawing the stalks of developing fruit. So I've definitely had Woodlice in the vicinity of my Pleiones for the past twenty years... and never noticed a problem. Is it possible that the Woodlice are a secondary pest? Could they be 'cleaning up' after the real culprit?? I don't generally find molluscs to be a problem either. I'd suspect some kind of rot as the causal factor.

Tim DH
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Bart on November 04, 2019, 03:31:37 PM
Hi Tim,
I can eliminate rot, I've seen the critters starting on really nice juicy pseudobulbs. I am not sure if it is the little slugs that take the first bite and the woodlice follow, or if they are equally to blame. Normally a small hole does not kill the bulb, it seems to callus over and if the growing tip hasn't been damaged they will start growing in spring, but with less vigour.
I've also grown them for about 12 years, partially indoors, summer and autumn outdoors, and around now they all come in. Every year there is some damage, but never as much as now. Maybe it is a very good season for woodlice. When I lift pots, like cyclamen, that are not sat in a saucer, often there are masses of woodlice clumped where the drainage holes are and I wonder if they are secretly eating the cyclamen roots. On occasion I find a hole in cyclamen as well, especially the smooth tubered species like mirabile and cyprium.
Anyway, with less and less Pleione to worry about I can increase their individual care and maybe avoid carnage. As my wife keeps saying, 'Less is more'...not sure I agree when it comes to plants though.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Maren on November 09, 2019, 01:36:12 PM
Has anybody heard from Ian Butterfield ?
Is he issuing a new catalogue this year ??

Hello Luc,

I am working on Ian Butterfield's catalogue for 2020. He has 15 new hybids since last year. I've finished the .pdf but am having some trouble loading it to my website so that I can put a link here as before.  Patience, please, I'll get there.

His message to any friends and customers outside the United Kingdom interested in buying pleiones:

"I usually ships pleiones in the first / second week of January, depending on the weather. Due to the uncertainties about Brexit , it is rather risky to place an order. If Brexit happens before 15th January, I will not be able to ship and your money will be returned. This could involve some fees."
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 09, 2019, 05:06:41 PM
Many thanks Maren !!  :-*
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: sjusovare on November 09, 2019, 07:18:06 PM
The way I understand it, even with brexit occuring, things would remain the same regarding customs during the transition period which runs untill december 2020 (and can be extended up to 2 years), so there shouldnt be any legal problems regarding CITES during that time. It's only in case of "hard brexit" that there would be issues related to the immediate exit of the EUCU.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Maren on November 10, 2019, 12:41:08 PM
Nothing is certain about Brexit, hence the forewarning.

That's all I want to say and I do not wish to enter into a discussion about Brexit.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Maren on November 13, 2019, 09:28:54 AM
Hi, I am having trouble loading Ian Butterfield's catalogue for 2020 to my  site  .

If you want one: click this  link to download the  Butterfield List  for  2019-2020 (http://files.srgc.net/general/Butterfield-catalogue-2019-2020.pdf)
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on November 21, 2019, 05:06:42 PM
There was a  small error  in the  previous  Butterfield  List  -   download this  link to get the  updated  version:
http://files.srgc.net/general/Butterfield-catalogue-2019-2020.pdf (http://files.srgc.net/general/Butterfield-catalogue-2019-2020.pdf)


(This  is the  same  url as the  previous  one  so if you downloaded that earleir, please  clear  your  cache  and  use this  version instead. )
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Maren on November 22, 2019, 01:19:57 PM
Hi Maggi, thank you for this, you're a star. :)
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Maren on November 26, 2019, 04:19:55 PM
People are asking me if I continue to volunteer as Ian's electronic letterbox.
The answer is YES, just send me an email to mtalbot@talktalk.net.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Beza on November 26, 2019, 05:26:19 PM
Thank you Maren for your volunteering services :)

Trying to make a final choice from Mr. Butterfield's great list proves harder than expected, especially as I can not find pictures for all of the varieties either. And then it is always a question how true the colours on those pictures are.

So I wanted to ask if anyone here could point out what would be the darkest purple variety from that list? I was considering P. Katmai ‘Crossbill’ (http://pleione.cz/popisy/obrazky/Pln.%20Katmai%20'Crossbill'.jpg)  but I keep seeing pictures of it where it appears just a strong pink - can anyone tell me what its true color is please?

Also does anyone by chance have a picture of P. Phillip Cribb maybe?
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: PaulFlowers on November 26, 2019, 09:17:54 PM
Can anyone recommend a source of sphagnum moss for reporting pleiones over Christmas? Last year I spent a fortune on small packets via amazon or eBay.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on November 26, 2019, 09:22:20 PM
Can anyone recommend a source of sphagnum moss for reporting pleiones over Christmas? Last year I spent a fortune on small packets via amazon or eBay.
If you get really  stuck, Paul, find a  friend with a bad  lawn and you'll be  able  to rake  all the  moss you  need  out  of it.  Just  takes  some  effort  and  it's fully  sustainable.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: SteveC2 on November 26, 2019, 09:38:55 PM
I use Big Moss from Babyllon, but it still feels like spending a fortune, albeit on bigger packets.  As for raking moss out of the lawn, around here finding a lawn is easier said than done, and the few that exist would be bald without the moss.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on November 26, 2019, 09:53:24 PM
...okay .... find a  friend with a  bad lawn in a  wet  area  and .........
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: SteveC2 on November 27, 2019, 12:56:11 PM
Somewhere wet!  It has been more like Lancashire here than Lincolnshire since June.  Much more rain and they might as well redraw the map to move the North Sea back inland.  Mind you, the Pleione have loved it.  Taught me that I need to be more generous with the water in a “normal” year, whatever that is.
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: Tim Harberd on December 09, 2019, 02:16:45 PM
I'd agree Steve, the pseudobulbs are looking good this year..... Maybe I need to up my 'dry spell' watering regime in future.. The most obvious beneficiary here of this year's extra rain has been a bamboo..   Borinda lushuiensis .. which the general wisdom suggests you should only attempt growing in Cornwall... It's put up over twenty new canes.

Tim DH
Title: Re: Pleione 2019
Post by: karel_t on December 29, 2019, 01:01:51 PM
Thank you Maren for your volunteering services :)

Trying to make a final choice from Mr. Butterfield's great list proves harder than expected, especially as I can not find pictures for all of the varieties either. And then it is always a question how true the colours on those pictures are.

So I wanted to ask if anyone here could point out what would be the darkest purple variety from that list? I was considering P. Katmai ‘Crossbill’ (http://pleione.cz/popisy/obrazky/Pln.%20Katmai%20'Crossbill'.jpg)  but I keep seeing pictures of it where it appears just a strong pink - can anyone tell me what its true color is please?

Also does anyone by chance have a picture of P. Phillip Cribb maybe?
Phillip Cribb is very variable crossing with many clones. Here is one of them: http://pleione.cz/obrazky/IanB-4-2016.jpg (http://pleione.cz/obrazky/IanB-4-2016.jpg)
K.
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