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Title: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: colin e on January 10, 2019, 04:57:47 PM
Things are still moving forward here in the south west (UK). Of the 54 pots of seeds I sowed this year which started germinating on 02/12/18, I have now moved 35 of them from the fridge to the greenhouse. That is 64.8% of seed pots so far this year compared with last year at the same time which was 51% out of 92 pots. Two of this year’s are pictured below.
I currently have 239 pots with roots out of the bottom which is about the same as the two previous seasons which were 254 and 219 that I have kept dates for. Pots with growth above the potting mix is currently 70 and I only have last season to compare this with and on the same date last season I had 77 pots. Currently the only new Fritillaria I have to show is another Fritillaria karelinii (pictured below). I do have a reasonable number of pots were you can see the buds, but that does not mean I will see the flowers soon (pictured below). We just have to hope that after the relatively mild early winter the weather does not throw another ‘Beast from the East’ at us in the early spring!

Colin
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on January 24, 2019, 06:54:44 PM
 Corolla retention after pollination facilitates the development of fertilized ovules in Fritillaria delavayi (Liliaceae) Yongqian Gao, Changming Wang, Bo Song & Fan Du :

 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-37358-0 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-37358-0)       (open access - read online or download pdf))     

Scientific Reports volume 9, Article number: 729 (2019)

Persistent corollas increased fruit temperature on sunny days..
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Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on January 30, 2019, 12:19:31 AM
The first Frits are in flower here.

Fritillaria ariana -a robust rhinopetalum.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4893/46863481242_1d4811ca9b_o_d.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7869/46863481302_d30ba1bccc_z_d.jpg)


Fritillaria karelinii -a rather pale form.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4809/46863481212_aa8fc847c1_o_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: colin e on January 30, 2019, 06:54:35 PM
But things are still growing just a lot slower. Slow enough for me to worry that I had got the watering wrong. So I lifted 2 of the 254 pots currently with red labels in (red label means roots out of the pot). The first pot was not a big mistake it was a pot of Fritillaria walujewi; there was still live root out of the bottom but not much more than when the red label went in. The second was Fritillaria tortifolia. When it did not want to come easily, I should have left it because there was a serious root explosion out of the bottom of that pot. So I just did what I normally try and avoid which is to disturb the roots but there was absolutely no sign of vegetative growth above the gravel or even the potting mix. So I will just have to wait to see. On the plus side I do have 146 pots with vegetative growth just visible or more but not as advanced as I would expect for this time of year. (Pictured below plunges A B C in 2018 and 2019 also plunge D in 2018 and E D 2019.)
Most of my seeds that I sowed at the end of last year (20/09/18 and 09/10/18) have germinated while in the fridge: 45 pots out of 53 and are now in the greenhouse. Of the 45, only 4 have not emerged yet. I will say that I do move them to a frost free greenhouse if we forecast to go below 0c.  The one I am most excited about is Fritillaria olgae - only 1 has so far has emerged but before that happened I had checked the seeds and I did have good embryo development but no germination. That was after 114 day in the fridge at 4c. Now I will have to be patient to see how many of the remaining 19 seeds will emerge.   

Colin
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: colin e on January 30, 2019, 06:55:54 PM
Well what a difference a year makes! Here we are at the end of January and I have a lot less flowers open and not as much vegetative growth as I did last year. To show you what I mean, attached are two picture of Fritillaria thunbergii one taken on 16/01/2018 the other on 28/01/2019. This difference in growth is similar all through the greenhouse. All I can put this down to is that this year we have not had as many days with sunshine as normal. The difference this makes to the temperature in the greenhouse is surprising even with all 8 roof vents, 8 louver vents and the double doors open! I do have one Fritillaria ariana just coming into flower but again the difference from 2018 to 2019 is substantial. The two pictures below show this.

Colin
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: colin e on January 30, 2019, 07:00:20 PM
 Nice plants Steve definitely you are more advanced than I am.

Colin
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on January 31, 2019, 04:40:52 PM
Thanks Colin.
Almost all of my “rhinopetalum” are showing noses or are well into growth. Fritillaria striata has been in leaf now for about 5 weeks (seed-raised and 2 years or more from flowering) whilst many others are now showing noses. My Chinese Frits are in a timber raised bed which has rain-protection but has open sides so unlike the greenhouse/cold frames it doesn’t heat up when the sun shines. Despite this walujewii, ferghanica, tortifolia and yuminensis are all showing prominent noses as is Frit. affinis which shares the same bed.
I haven’t sown as many frit. seeds as you but straussi, zagrica, karelinii, pluriflora and striata have all shown germination.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Jan Jeddeloh on February 04, 2019, 03:27:00 AM
That's quite the seed sowing operations you have going there Colin.  So how do you do it?

Do you sow the seed in the fall and pop it straight into the fridge or do you give it a warm period first?  And how big is your fridge anyway?  My husband thinks our fridge should be used for food only silly man.  And what do you do about seed ex seed which usually arrives and January or February?  The SRGC seed isn't sent out until mid January and then has to go thru an inspection station in Seattle before it is sent on to me.  As a consequence I'm lucky to see it before mid February. 

Just looking for any more tricks I can add to my repertoire. I do have a greenhouse that I keep just above freezing.

Jan in Portland, Oregon, USA
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: colin e on February 04, 2019, 09:01:31 AM
Hi Jan,
I have written an article for the Fritillaria Group about how I germinate Fritillaria seed. It would be too long to post here but if you would like a copy, private message me your email and I will send it to you.

Colin
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: colin e on February 19, 2019, 08:12:35 AM
Well things seem to be settling down now to what I would expect and flowering has started after a shaky start. As usual the rhinos are first to get going; a Fritillaria ariana is now fully open, also a couple of pots of Fritillaria gibbosa. The last rhino today is Fritillaria karelinii x  gibbosa sibling cross. This is a first generation cross of a pot full that I had originally had labelled as Fritillaria karelinii but was deemed to be a karelinii- gibbosa cross by someone I would not argue with. With more crosses now flowered I am beginning to think it could have been karelinii x ariana, but I doubt we will never know for sure. Finally, a pot of Fritillaria caucasica: This one always flowers with the rhinos for me.

Colin
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on February 19, 2019, 08:43:05 AM
Very nice Colin!

All of my rhinopetalum group plants are now in flower with many past their peak. The last few days have been surprisingly warm here with rising temperatures under glass -not conducive to longlasting flowers. Ariana is always the first up with me -especially a form from Afghanistan. Karelinii types are usually next with stenanthera following closely behind and then gibbosa with bucharica generally last.

Like with you caucasica is coming into flower here as is pudica. The current mild (almost warm) weather is pushing everything forward at a pace.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: colin e on February 21, 2019, 06:26:14 AM
Thanks Steve. Like you the last few days here have been surprisingly warm and we have at last this year had some sunny days! This has definitely got things going.
I currently have a range of Fritillaria stenanthera in flower. The first is slightly fasciated but looks good. Second is a pot full that flowered for the first time last year for me and is flowering well again this year. It is a cross I did to try and get a stenanthera that had a more compact habit - it is looking promising. The last two are first time flowerers for me grown from seed: Fritillaria stenanthera  (from Karatau mountains) looks like it will be a good pink, the other is Fritillaria stenanthera “Ingachsach” which is whiter. Lastly, Fritillaria verticillata Urdzhar: a bulb I bought last year. I will have to see how I get on with it.

Colin
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Peppa on February 21, 2019, 07:45:18 AM
What pretty Frits, Colin!

I have a question about F. verticillata... I often see many mail order vendors sell F. thunbergii as F. verticillata and I wonder if it is because they grow in similar growing conditions?
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: colin e on February 21, 2019, 12:49:54 PM
Hi Peppa
I think the main reason for the mix up of names is because F. thunbergii was originally brought into cultivation as F. verticillata. F. thunbergii is a much more forgiving plant to grow than F. verticillata which either likes you or disappears rapidly.

Colin
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Peppa on February 22, 2019, 12:42:05 AM
Hi Peppa
I think the main reason for the mix up of names is because F. thunbergii was originally brought into cultivation as F. verticillata. F. thunbergii is a much more forgiving plant to grow than F. verticillata which either likes you or disappears rapidly.

Colin

Thank you for the information, Colin! I've noticed that F. thunbergii seems to like me so I was hoping that F. verticillata would act the same way... But it sounds like it's not that easy...  Your F. verticillata seems to like you very much! :)

The only Fritillaria that is blooming right now for me is F. ayakoana but it's been in the garage because of our cold weather and it's gotten a bit leggy.

Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on February 22, 2019, 09:58:16 AM
That’s an attractive wee frit Saori.

We are currently in the longest, warmest late February weather on record. New flowers are appearing almost daily here whilst individual blooms are not lasting long -especially under glass.

Fritillaria stenanthera -two different forms:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7882/33151769748_a0d176ee63_o_d.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7845/46928043742_94510bae5a_b_d.jpg)


Fritillaria ariana -a form from Turkmenistan
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7853/32111076967_5a283c9d30_o_d.jpg)


Fritillaria bucharica -quite an attractive form.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7841/47135887421_49a901c729_o_d.jpg)


Fritillaria aff. karelinii -bought under this name. It looks similar to bucharica but has some light spotting. The flowers look a bit congested, perhaps due to the unseasonal warmth.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7881/32111077497_66fd799a84_o_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: ChrisB on February 22, 2019, 08:03:54 PM
Fritillaries assyriaca from Augis Bulbs

Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on February 23, 2019, 10:55:43 PM
Three species of the Rhinopetalum group of Fritillaria are superficially very similar. Fritillaria ariana is usually a taller, more robust plant with lanceolate lower leaves and unspotted flowers. It tends to be the earliest flowering of the trio. However, I struggle to separate karelinii from gibbosa. The plants below are listed under the names by which I obtained them though I have some doubts about the veracity of these names.

Fritillaria karelinii -two different forms:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7800/46928043682_da73982c76_o_d.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4811/46928043962_7db931e1ed_o_d.jpg)


Fritillaria gibbosa -three different forms:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7831/32111077147_aa0674f8bb_o_d.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7904/47135888211_c59c0e731f_o_d.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4834/33151769698_b9bba9246b_o_d.jpg)


Fritillaria sp. -probably another form of gibbosa
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7849/32111077327_8ae55a5f62_o_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: colin e on February 24, 2019, 12:35:20 PM
The warm weather and sunshine we are currently having is definitely bringing things on and helping some plants I upset earlier in the season. Fritillaria crassifolia subsp hakkarensis grown from seed is flowering well. I would like it to get a bit taller. Another one just starting to flower that I would like to get taller, but as yet never has, is Fritillaria kotschyana.  One I am happy for it to stay small is Fritillaria serpenticola.
One of the species I upset earlier in the year unfortunately was Fritillaria chitralensis, but this warmer weather has definitely benefitted them all. Plants that I thought I had killed are actually coming through the gravel now but flowering is poor. Lastly, one species that I have never got to flower acceptably for me is Fritillaria sewerzowii. They all start flowering before the stem has extended. As an experiment I put one in my bulb bed outside and unprotected it has only just come through the gravel. I will have to see what it does. 

Colin
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: colin e on March 02, 2019, 05:27:53 PM
Another Fritillaria stenanthera has recently opened for me; it is stenanthera ex lilac blue forms JJA 503 201. I am as yet undecided if I like it but it is different. It also for me has not been the best of growers. I will see how it does from now on. Fritillaria obliqua HA1: Paul gave me three bulbs of this plant a long time ago; it did well for a time but I must have upset it because it went backwards and is now on the way up again. This next plant has gone through some name changes. It started as fleischeriana then I was told it should be called aff. pinardii and now it is said to be  aff. kittaniae but I still like it. Another one I have with a possible split personality is this next one, given to me by Norman Stevens as Fritillaria pinardii/carica. I would go pinardii but I have not looked at its bits yet. The last two pictures are of a seed raised plant, Fritillaria pinardii SRGC 15. The SRGC means the seed came from the Scottish Rock Gardening Club and the 15 means it was sown September 2015 and it is flowering now after only three growing seasons. I have added the picture of the bulbs to show how small some Frit bulbs can be and flower if grown well. I use the label as a size reference - it is 2 cm wide.

Colin
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: PaulFlowers on March 03, 2019, 09:17:37 PM
Fritillaria aurea and then Amana- they’re out in the storm this weekend.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: colin e on March 06, 2019, 09:43:55 AM
I got two bulbs labelled as Fritillaria anhuiensis in 2017. They have yet to flower so that I can confirm their identity. Whatever they are, they seem to be very vigorous. The first picture is of bulb B having been soaked after receiving them. The second picture is what it looked like after its first growing season. It was re-potted on the 01/06/18, the one bulb in its own pot! On the 23/02/19, as you can see in the third picture, four shoots emerged from the one bulb and in the fourth picture you can see it definitely wants to grow. I now just have to hope it is Fritillaria anhuiensis and the flower live up to expectations!

Colin
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on March 06, 2019, 10:18:52 AM
I have the same Fritillaria Colin (Image taken this morning in a Monsoon!). My two bulbs had a good growing season last year but despite this they are not going to flower this year. The larger bulb seems to have produced 4 new growths and the smaller two. This species is grown in China as a crop for Chinese medicine production. I believe it is the bulb that is used rather than the flowers. I fear that these plants have been selected for vegetative propagation rather than flower power.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7863/32355881867_8a31d67907_z_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: arisaema on March 06, 2019, 12:31:19 PM
I fear that these plants have been selected for vegetative propagation rather than flower power.

Now that would be rather annoying... Half of August Wu's family lives in Anhui, so I guess it would be worth heading east eventually. The supplier did offer a picture of them in flower, and I remember Yijia Wang having one of the same species years ago being a rather tight clump of leaves with some flowering stems in the middle, not unlike F. camtschatcensis. Give it plenty of fertilizer and a hot summer rest, and let them get a bit crowded in the pot, and hopefully it'll flower eventually!
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on March 06, 2019, 04:22:50 PM
..............and a hot summer rest, and let them get a bit crowded in the pot, and hopefully it'll flower eventually!

Perhaps that’s where I’ve gone wrong, I kept them cool and with a hint of moisture over the Summer.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: arisaema on March 06, 2019, 05:36:19 PM
Perhaps that’s where I’ve gone wrong, I kept them cool and with a hint of moisture over the Summer.

Try hot and fairly wet: https://weatherspark.com/y/131695/Average-Weather-in-Anqing-China-Year-Round

They grow wild at higher altitudes than the city of Anqing, so you can expect somewhat lower temperatures, especially in winter - but it should give you an idea. It's certainly not an alpine!
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: colin e on March 06, 2019, 06:38:39 PM
Steve my second bulb produced three shoots (picture below). It was smaller. There was a discussion on another platform that likened it to Fritillaria thunbergii and there is a form of that plant that does not flower but grows well. We will have see what we can do. I did not say before but for a size guide the label is 2 cm wide.

Colin
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: colin e on March 08, 2019, 10:35:55 AM
Another Norman Stevens bulb is this Fritillaria graeca from Mt Melanon Greece (I think that is what was on the packet) but I cannot find it (the mountain). A couple of plants grown from AGS seed, Fritillaria graeca x davisii and Fritillaria ruthenica, both in flower now. Also flowering now another of the short ones, Fritillaria latifolia var nobilis PF9169 ,seed from Gothenburg. Finally a shot of plunges A B C from the 28 Feb.

Colin
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: ArnoldT on March 08, 2019, 11:20:13 AM
Colin:
 I see you plunge your pots in plastic.

Do you find it provides adequate moisture?

Thanks,
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: colin e on March 08, 2019, 05:19:58 PM
Hi Arnold,
I water into the pots and if anything I use the plunge to absorb excess water. It is also to keep the roots cool as well as providing the appropriate temperature for the bulbs.

Colin
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Yann on March 08, 2019, 05:42:46 PM
fantastic collection Colin.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Hannelore on March 09, 2019, 06:54:03 AM
Snowdrops go, Fritillaria come:
[attach=1]

Greetings
Hannelore
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on March 10, 2019, 07:01:44 PM
Fritillaria ehrhartii
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7835/40374861883_a954eac7f5_o_d.jpg)

Fritillaria kotschyana
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7910/32398111887_a6fc8ae0fc_o_d.jpg)

Fritillaria forbesii
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7922/40374861713_70bf37315f_o_d.jpg)

Fritillaria reuteri
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7875/32398112117_836289cbd2_o_d.jpg)

Fritillaria davidii -two flowers climb out from under the bizarre leaves.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7910/32398112537_dd7335affe_o_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Mariette on March 13, 2019, 03:44:16 PM
You´ve got a wonderful way to look at plants and make others see, too, Steve!

The colour of this chance seedling of Helleborus  x hybridus proves a surprisingly good match for Fritillaria ´Early Sensation´.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Hannelore on March 15, 2019, 08:12:59 AM
Just a question: How much bad weather can Fritillaria stenanthera bear?

Fritillaria stenanthera CAMBRIDGE has already started to flower. So my question: How wheather resistant is this sort? We have cold wheather, rain, sometimes a snow shower (snow is away after some hours) and sometimes frost in the night - not more than -1°C. I put a plastic hat over it, as seen on the photo, but now it's too small and I should remove it.
[attach=1]

Do you think the flowers survive without shelter?

BW
Hannelore
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on March 15, 2019, 08:43:24 AM
It should be frost-hardy to at least -1°C. It copes much better with dry cold than with cold damp conditions.

I keep some very large black plastic pots that I use to provide temporary overnight frost cover at this time of year. Use two pots -one inside the other with a layer of fleece trapped between them and use them inverted. It takes only seconds to place them over sensitive plants at sunset and the same to lift them in the morning. Frosty nights are usually without significant wind so no “fixing down” is needed.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Hannelore on March 15, 2019, 09:58:01 AM
Very good solution! Thank you.

Meanwhile I got an Email from Evgenji (augis bulbs) where I bought it too. He says, that he keeps the seedlings in the open field, only the plants he uses for getting seeds are under glass.

So I'll remove the cap now and prepare hats of black pots :-)

Hannelore
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Yann on March 16, 2019, 07:07:10 PM
I grow very few frits and it is at fault. I think one day i'll annex my neighbour's land to setup a new greenhouse ;D

Fritillaria ehrhartii, sourced from Mister Vickery
Fritillaria graeca, eated by slugs and damaged by strong gusts.  :(
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: colin e on March 18, 2019, 08:45:56 AM
This year I have a number of plants flowering for the first time where I acted as the pollinator. The first is a Fritillaria crassifolia: this pot full was made by crossing Fritillaria crassifolia RRW 92134 and Fritillaria crassifolia RRW9325 .Both of these plants came from Bob and Rannveig Wallis. The result is what was expected - a Fritillaria crassifolia. Also at a Frit Group meeting I used a Fritillaria purdyi that  Bob and Rannveig had brought to the meeting to pollinate my purdyi and again I got what I expected. In 2015 I sowed a pot full of Fritillaria kittaniae seeds which I know came off one of my plants and I think it was JJA 0497 700 because I did hand pollinate it and they are similar to the pot labelled as this. The uncertainty is because we moved house in this year and things were a bit mad.
The last two pictures are from seed exchanges. The Fritillaria sibthorpiana subsp. enginii was grown from AGS seed and the Fritillaria tortifolia from Frit Group seed. Both of these look correct.

Colin
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: ashley on March 18, 2019, 05:42:23 PM
Beautiful plants all.

A few here: Fritillaria crassifolia crassifolia from RR Wallis, F. ehrhartii a K Vickery coll. & F. meleagris which remains one of my favourites.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: colin e on March 19, 2019, 09:45:21 AM
I showed yesterday some seed grown plants where the seed was made deliberately and I got what I expected and wanted. Below are two examples of open pollination where I have known the seed parent and what the resulting plants look like. The first is Fritillaria conica. Even though I had other plants for it to cross-pollinate with, the fly or wasp did not read the manual and I ended up with what you see below. Not many have flowered yet but it does not look promising that I will get anything remotely like I hoped for. The second example is for Fritillaria rixii. Again this was open-pollinated and I only know the seed parent, not the pollen parent. I also for this plant had other plants in flower but again the fly or wasp did not read the manual. The first picture shows the seed parent, the next shows the resulting pot full of flower I got. I have to say I do like the one that I have pictured just the flower of, but it was not what I was after.
This is just a heads-up for people making seed now. If you want to know what you will get, you have to take control. This is the down side to having a sizeable collection.

Colin
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Hannelore on March 19, 2019, 02:10:22 PM
Despite frost last night:

[attach=1]

Frittilaria stenanthera 'Cambridge'

[attach=2]

Frittilaria stenanthera

Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Menai on March 24, 2019, 07:14:43 PM
This frit is flowering for the first time. It is labelled F. pyrenaica but doesn't look like any of the pics on the Friillaria group pages. The seed came from the SRGC exchange. Is the id right?
Some of my frits are a month earlier than usual, others don't seem to have been affected by Feb weather.
Thank you

Erle from Anglesey
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Yann on March 24, 2019, 08:28:12 PM
pyrenaica : http://www.herbier.sesa-aude.fr/Fritillaria-pyrenaica (http://www.herbier.sesa-aude.fr/Fritillaria-pyrenaica)

but it's quiet possible it is pyrenaica, in the wild i've seen so many variations.

Fritillaria crassifolia ssp. kurdica
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on March 24, 2019, 09:01:38 PM
This frit is flowering for the first time. It is labelled F. pyrenaica but doesn't look like any of the pics on the Friillaria group pages. The seed came from the SRGC exchange. Is the id right?
Some of my frits are a month earlier than usual, others don't seem to have been affected by Feb weather.
Thank you

Erle from Anglesey

Look a bit  like  F. montana to me, Erle.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: PaulFlowers on March 24, 2019, 09:23:05 PM
Menai - It looks a bit like this; bought as Frit. Montana
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Menai on March 24, 2019, 11:07:11 PM
Thanks to both of you

Erle
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Rick R. on March 25, 2019, 01:35:40 AM
Now I wonder about my "Fritillaria pyrenaica".  From NARGS seed, what do you all think?

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Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on March 25, 2019, 11:13:44 AM
There is  a cultivar  of  Frit. pyrenaica called  'Cedric Morris' - which  is  along the lines of yours - but  I see  more than one  leaf bract  up be the  flower, which I associate with  F. montana - of course, my approach is  less than scientific, so we'll see what the  expert frit fans  say!
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Karaba on March 25, 2019, 05:03:48 PM
Both "Fritillaria pyrenaica" from Rick and Menai may be the results of some fly or wasp that did not read the manual as Colin showed us some other example. One of the parent may be F. pyrenaica but the result is not a typical one. Even if there is some variation, they usually don't look like this. It has a bit of F. montana but this one should have alternate leaves. There are obviously some "strange" F. pyrenaica in the exchange also pictured by Ian Young on the Pacific Bulb Society site https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/EuropeanFritillariaTwo (https://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/EuropeanFritillariaTwo)  ;)
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Rick R. on March 27, 2019, 12:16:16 AM
Thanks for the replies!  Of course, I love it whatever it is....  :)
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Janis Ruksans on March 27, 2019, 06:42:18 AM
Crocuses almost finished, now top plant is Corydalis, but Fritillarias just started, so few nice plants I can show here.
The first two pictures are Fritillaria serpenticola - one of the dwarfest species from Turkey.
Fritillaria collina this year didn't grew tall, but regardless of shorter stem formed huge flower. It comes from Georgia, Krestovi Pass, Caucasus mnt.
Fritillaria zagrica and gibbosa - both are from Iran.

Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Janis Ruksans on March 27, 2019, 06:47:10 AM
Here only 2 pictures - the first is unidentified from Nemrutdag near Lake Van. May be some can tell me name?
And the next is still unnamed new species from nr. Pulkhakim. Original stock was lost and it was restored from seeds. Unfortunately it easy hybridizes with F. bucharica and it took long time to restore correct, typical stock. Main features separating both are Pulkhakim frit blooms earlier, it has glaucous green leaves (in bucharica they are soft green) and most prominent are its twisted leaves, with in bucharica are smooth edged.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Gerdk on March 28, 2019, 11:08:56 AM
First flower of Fritillaria davidii - bulbs received from a generous member in 2001.

Gerd
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Leucogenes on April 01, 2019, 12:25:15 PM
Hello to all specialists

In the winter before last I sowed Fritillaria recurva.  You can see the current condition in the picture.

Since I am a bloody beginner in this field I would be very happy about all available information about the further procedure.  Should I prick the seedlings now?
 
I am very grateful for all the cultural information.

It should probably be a somewhat demanding species...  maybe a little naive of me to choose this species as an introduction.😎

Thanks
Thomas
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Karaba on April 01, 2019, 12:37:27 PM
First flower of Fritillaria davidii - bulbs received from a generous member in 2001.

Gerd
I had the same flower few days ago but I was away and didn't take any pictures before it fade. Also from a generous member in 2018  ;D who also give its bigger bulbs as a other member of this forum  ;D

Thanks Gerd to give me the chance to see this flower in real  ;)
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on April 01, 2019, 02:48:17 PM
Hello to all specialists

In the winter before last I sowed Fritillaria recurva.  You can see the current condition in the picture.

Since I am a bloody beginner in this field I would be very happy about all available information about the further procedure.  Should I prick the seedlings now?
 
I am very grateful for all the cultural information.

It should probably be a somewhat demanding species...  maybe a little naive of me to choose this species as an introduction.😎

Thanks
Thomas
  Better  not to  prick them out at this  stage - remember,  with a iny  plant, any  damage  done to  root or leaf  is a much larger percentage  of  damage to the  plant that when a  larger plant  is  pricked out.  We would  pot the   whole  potful on into a  slightly  bigger pot. You can do that each year  and  let them grow on for another year  or two.   We  wouldn't  ever  prick them out  in growth, only when  dormant  would we  sort out the  bulbs.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: PaulFlowers on April 01, 2019, 09:29:45 PM
fritillaria  graeca
Fritillaria crassifolia kurdica
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on April 04, 2019, 09:39:08 AM
Fritillaria rhodokanakis
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7913/47531397561_0e14d11998_o_d.jpg)

Fritillaria obliqua (The plant I grow as tuntasia has not yet opened its flower buds).
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7919/47478599702_6926caf6f7_o_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on April 05, 2019, 08:53:04 AM
Fritillaria liliacea
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7907/47478597872_05d41bb56f_o_d.jpg)

Fritillaria biflora ssp. ineziana
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7806/47531389761_01b283b002_o_d.jpg)

Fritillaria (crassifolia ssp.) kurdica
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7892/47478595092_8900c0ce24_o_d.jpg)

Fritillaria alfredae ssp. glaucoviridis
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7828/47478590592_ab9e1c2427_o_d.jpg)

Fritillaria crassifolia ssp. hakkariensis
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7828/46807697284_5c56961cf4_o_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Philip Walker on April 05, 2019, 01:45:35 PM
I can't compare with any of the above,but these are always good value.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on April 05, 2019, 02:10:36 PM
Gorgeous, Philip - these  Fritillaria  meleagris  can be the  Stars  of  any  party.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: ashley on April 05, 2019, 02:31:31 PM
... and in such profusion 8)
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on April 05, 2019, 03:10:01 PM
Lovely Philip. I’ve far fewer and noticed the other day they were full of lily beetles, took ages to get rid of them.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Philip Walker on April 05, 2019, 03:34:17 PM
These increase if anything.They've even jumped a path to a different bed.
I've not seen any lily beetles yet,but they normally find them.
Ihave seed grown Martagon lillies close by,that get slaughtered.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on April 07, 2019, 11:12:41 AM
Some wee tubby belles:

Fritillaria collina
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7892/46807696044_e1b4df0158_o_d.jpg)

Fritillaria latifolia
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7820/47478596402_4447372ec2_o_d.jpg)

Fritillaria aurea KPPZ 90-296
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7855/47531388581_fc93278b3e_o_d.jpg)

Fritillaria tubiformis
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7922/47531399031_90bc5584f0_b_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Hannelore on April 07, 2019, 04:00:32 PM
Purchased last autumn from augisbulbs:

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Fritillaria bucharica SANGARDAK

Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: colin e on April 10, 2019, 01:56:32 PM
We have been at bit busy here so most of what I am going to show has gone over. The first is a seed-raised Fritillaria bucharica. The seed was off a plant that originated from Razjon village Tadjikstan. I have always liked the way some bucharica unfurl in a most fern like way. The second is  Fritillaria crassifolia subsp hakkarensis This is all one clone and most of the flower comes from one large bulb with support from two small ones. The third is Fritillaria eastwoodiae; my own seed which I know came off an  eastwoodiae which I hand pollinated with a paintbrush. The problem is that I had used the same brush to pollinate a recurva before it and I thought I had cleaned it well but looking at these flowers I am not so sure. So I now prefer to pick an anther from the pollen parent and use this to pollinate the seed carrier. The last two pictures are of five of my plunges as they looked on the 25 March; the first of A, B and C; the second of E and D.

Colin
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on April 10, 2019, 04:28:35 PM
Nice show there Colin.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Arda Takan on April 15, 2019, 08:10:58 AM
Fritillaria serpenticola at locality in Eskişehir.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Gerdk on April 15, 2019, 09:11:01 AM
Beautiful plant. Thank you Arda!

Gerd
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Steve Garvie on April 15, 2019, 09:47:49 AM
Fritillaria serpenticola at locality in Eskişehir.

 Very nice!
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Hannelore on April 15, 2019, 06:13:52 PM
Last autumn I bought some FRITILLARIA CRASSIFOLIA ssp. CURDICA as  "seedlings unsorted" from Augisbulbs. Most of them start to flower now, they are all different:
[attach=1]

BW
Hannelore
 
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Janis Ruksans on April 17, 2019, 06:01:13 AM
Somer "Rhinopetalumms" - names and origins undfer pictures.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Gerdk on April 21, 2019, 02:23:21 PM
Fritillaria pyrenaica in the rock garden

Gerd
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Yann on April 22, 2019, 10:30:08 AM
they look healthy in your garden, they like shady areas.
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Gerdk on April 22, 2019, 06:58:32 PM
they look healthy in your garden, they like shady areas.

Thank you Yann! It seems shade isn't essential for them in my high rainfall area.

Gerd
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: PaulFlowers on April 23, 2019, 09:08:32 PM
SomeAmerican fritillaries

Lilacae- I couldn’t detect a smell☹️ And purdy
Title: Re: Fritillaria 2019
Post by: Gerdk on April 24, 2019, 07:39:04 PM
This is the var. lutea of Fritillaria pyrenaica

Gerd
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