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Title: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 06, 2018, 12:13:47 PM
The first Rhodophiala for us is one of the seedlings raised from crossing the orange-red form and the blood-red form of Rhodophiala bifida. We got the first from Paul Tyerman as I hoped it was a different clone to ours as we'd not been able to set seed on it. Unfortunately it appeared to be the same as we still couldn't get any seed. Josie in Leongatha brought a stem of the second to one of our meetings and she kindly gave it to me to try crossing it with Paul's - success!
Sown in June 2013 and planted out on 31-05-2015.
It appears to be closer in colour to Josie's but probably not as dark.
There are a few more stems emerging ;D
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 06, 2018, 12:32:54 PM
In 2011 forumist Santiago in Argentina sent me seed of a pink form of Rhodophiala bifida which flowered for the first time last year in late March.
It has flowered earlier this year and coincides with the red form above
The two forms have now been crossed ;D
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 13, 2018, 02:14:30 PM
The "ox-blood red" form of Rhodophiala bifida is now flowering.
It came from a friend, Josie, in Leongatha in 2014
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 14, 2018, 12:59:54 PM
The first Rhodophiala for us is one of the seedlings raised from crossing the orange-red form and the blood-red form of Rhodophiala bifida...
There are a few more stems emerging
More are now in bloom -  at least 11 of the seedlings look like they will flower :)
They look very similar to each other and just slightly lighter than the pollen parent
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: Maggi Young on March 14, 2018, 01:15:59 PM
Those seedlings are turning out very well - great colours.
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 14, 2018, 01:45:39 PM
Yes, Maggi,
the colour seems quite uniform - Will was hoping for more variety!
I've crossed it with the pink form so that might provide some different shades :)
I've also back-crossed it with the "ox-blood" red form - strangely, the orange-red form is not flowering yet
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: Maggi Young on March 14, 2018, 02:06:45 PM
Perhaps more colours in succeeding generations?
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 14, 2018, 02:20:26 PM
Yes, like Alan McMurtrie's second generation Iris s x d hybrids ;D
Watch this space!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 17, 2018, 05:50:24 AM
The only different I've noticed with the seedlings is that some have green ovaries and some have dark ovaries
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 30, 2018, 11:31:54 AM
The orange-red variety of Rhodophiala bifida (from Paul Tyerman) is finally in flower
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: fermi de Sousa on April 11, 2018, 02:33:20 PM
Some seeds have set where I hand pollinated the Rhodophiala bifida
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on June 16, 2018, 08:47:18 PM
Rhodophiala chilensis. First 2 snaps from Early AM hours, last 2 snaps from same day in hot afternoon. This summer grower/bloomer seems to do ok here.
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: johnw on July 02, 2018, 04:34:23 PM
Rhodophiala montana from spare Chilaeflora seed thanks to Ashley.  Sown autumn 2015 so a bit less than 3 years to flower.  Flowers are almost half the size of my other montanas.

johnw

13c and overcast
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: Hans J on July 13, 2018, 12:30:10 PM
Here is a self from seed grown Rhodophiala araucana from me :)

I have to confess I have really problems with  this plants in my climate ...so I have killed many of them in last years ( exept R.bifida )
My idea is here is to hot for them in summer ...

Have fun
Hans
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: johnw on July 19, 2018, 05:54:01 PM
A bit of a shock this afternoon as i was  watering in the greenhouse.  This large flower seems to have appear from nowhere.  Was it the rain and humidity outdoors 2 nights ago that sparked the flowering of a few Rhodophialas? 

The label says Rhodophiala hybrid  AGS16-4364, 2 years and a few months to flower.  Certainly a good size by comparison.  The leaves look like a Rhodophiala but is it indeed a Rhodophiala?  Thoughts?  It's Habranthus robustus.

One of the very few societal seed lots that is in fact not a Habranthus - tubispathus that is!  Pleased as punch. But it's Habranthus robustus.
 
john
23c & overcast
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: ashley on July 19, 2018, 06:42:00 PM
Beautiful plants all.
You've really 'cracked' this genus John 8)
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: johnw on July 19, 2018, 07:40:02 PM
Ashley - I wish I could declare victory but the plants have different ideas.  The experts would say I water too frequently.  I've tried to label the summer growers versus those considered to be winter growers.  However the plants have a mind of their owner; some years the summer growers will appear in mid-summer or appear in late winter or not die down.  The winter growers are inconsistent as well,  Perhaps my sloppy watering confuses them.  The roots seems perennial and don't think they care to die-off. 

I've not flowered R. bifida and doubt it's hot enough to do so.

I had a big pot full of R. montanas that HarryJ sent as seed.  Last year I put them outdoors whilst in flower so the bees could pollinate them, the NBF got the lot of them.

john
23c & sunny
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on July 19, 2018, 08:18:38 PM
NBF?
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: Maggi Young on July 19, 2018, 08:26:59 PM
Narcissus Bulb Fly =NBF ??
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 20, 2018, 07:48:37 AM
The label says Rhodophiala hybrid  AGS16-4364... The leaves look like a Rhodophiala but is it indeed a Rhodophiala?  Thoughts?

One of the very few societal seed lots that is in fact not a Habranthus!

Are you sure, John?

This large flower seems to have appear from nowhere.  Was it the rain and humidity outdoors 2 nights ago that sparked the flowering of a few Rhodophialas? 

As Maggi says, "there's often a clue"! It reminds me of Habranthus robustus - especially as it has stamen filaments of unequal length - however, I don't know all Rhodophiala species or hybrids by appearance, so it might be one I don't recognise
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: johnw on July 20, 2018, 12:49:09 PM
Odd as a Rhodophiala montana from my own selfed seed is only a half day behind this "hybrid".  It too appeared out of the blue.

johnw
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: johnw on July 21, 2018, 02:59:41 PM
Now confirmed by Alberto Castillo the Rhodophiala hybrid AGS 16-4364 in question is indeed Habranthus robustus.

johnw
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: johnw on July 22, 2018, 09:18:50 PM
This Rhodophiala hybrid opened yesterday. R. montana x R. advena.

johnw
22c, overcast, damp & foggy
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 23, 2018, 01:11:41 AM
Hi John,
that looks nice! How long from seed?
Do you think the pollen would be fertile?
Anything else open that you can try it on?
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: johnw on July 24, 2018, 03:58:34 PM
And a few more of the same Rhodphiala montana x R. advena hybrid.

The seed was sown in 2011 and it first flowered in 2014 according to my records.  I have no other Rhodophialas in flower so I've selfed this one, I very much doubt that will work.

johnw
24c and 84% humidity, moving at snail pace.
Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on September 15, 2018, 07:24:17 PM
First flowering of Rhodophiala bifida for me.

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Title: Re: Rhodophiala 2018
Post by: David Nicholson on September 15, 2018, 07:57:32 PM
Well done Ralph.
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