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Bulbs => NARCISSUS => Topic started by: YT on February 15, 2018, 12:00:47 PM
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Narcissus ‘Don Stead’
From Aberdeen, Scotland :) :) :)
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Fabulous!
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Thanks for dragging us into the new season, Tatsuo!
For new readers - Winter was going on for a long time - see this thread, which continues well into February !
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15924.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15924.0)
Still feels like winter in many places!!
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snow came back a few days ago
1. Narcissus bulbocodium (obesus? - label not visible)
2. Narcissus bulbocodium from Morocco
Gerd
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snow came back a few days ago
1. Narcissus bulbocodium (obesus? - label not visible)
2. Narcissus bulbocodium from Morocco
Gerd
Oh... poor frozen hoops :(
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Narcissus cantabricus var. petunioides x N. romieuxii
One of the best seedlings, bred by me :)
Leaves got a bid of damages by unusually cold and very dry winds.
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That is a great success, Tatsuo! What a beauty.
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what a beauty :o
Narcissus bulbocodium obesus MS451, i need to repot it.
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Another seedling from same parents. Almost "petunioides" :)
Narcissus cantabricus var. petunioides x N. romieuxii
One of the best seedlings, bred by me :)
Leaves got a bid of damages by unusually cold and very dry winds.
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Narcissus cantabricus and Narcissus blancoi, arround it, with possible hybrids. The other is Narcissus x tuckeri, a natural hybrid between N. blancoi and N. fernandesii, very scented, like N. fernandesii
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Another seedling from same parents. Almost "petunioides" :)
Superb seedlings, Tatsuo! :o :o :o
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Narcissus cantabricus and Narcissus blancoi, arround it, with possible hybrids. The other is Narcissus x tuckeri, a natural hybrid between N. blancoi and N. fernandesii, very scented, like N. fernandesii
All very beautiful - the x tuckeri is a fantastic form.
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I still have the varieties I obtained from you, Anne. Plus the occasional purchase from elsewhere. I have never really considered saving the seed and now concede I have been missing a trick. Not only are these narcissus astonishingly beautiful (and collectable) the quality of the photography is very high.
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Get sowing, Ian, the sooner the better!
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Anne, Narcissus 'Andy Blanchard' is perfect this year, it doesn't increase quickly but what a gem!
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'Andy Blanchard' is on the list. Well and truly.
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Narcissus minor, JJA 702.305
Spain, Spain, León, La Pola de Gordón. 1300m.
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Following on from a post in the "winter Narcissus" thread -
Angelo Porcelli posted a super comparison of tazetta types on Facebook :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15924.msg387714#msg38771 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15924.msg387714#msg38771)
Another post from Angelo Porcelli
Another photo comparison of some late forms of wild Narcissus tazetta I have found in some parts of Southern Italy, with some hybrids for scale.
1. Grand Primo, an old hybrid said to be sterile but actually it sets a seed every one hundred flowers, I am growing a few seedlings from open pollinated seeds.
2. Grand Monarque, one of the famous old tazetta hybrids, seed fertile, which in my opinion is not a true hybrid but rather a choice seedling from some wild form of unknown origin
3. tazetta italicus, just for comparison, the single florets are 50mm across and larger than Grand Primo, but this latter has wider tepals and looks bigger.
4. Avalanche 'wild', I am rather convinced that it's just a selection of a wild form and not true hybrid
5. tazetta 'robust form' I collected many years ago in Lucania/Apulia border, with wide leaves, flats, 6-8 florets per stem, 36mm across
6. tazetta I collected near the town of Laterza in Southern Apulia, wide leaves, flat, stem shorter than form 6 but with 8-10 florets per stem, cup very large, 14mm across and tepals strongly reflexed
7. tazetta from hills between Molise and Northern Apulia, narrow leaves,erect,often twisted inflorescences with 2-4 flowers on average, small cup
8. tazetta from Gargano woods in Apulia, short form with twisted leaves, florets with a bigger and round cup than form 7, an average of 6 florets , rarely up to 8
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Hi There,
I cut some 'Spring Dawn' on the allotment, just before 'The Beast from the East' arrived. Glad I did, because Yorkshire is a winter wonderland this morning.
This variety always flowers before 'February Gold'... and I prefer its colour/shape/size too!!
Can anyone else recommend an early outdoor daff?
Tim DH
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Jumblie was around a couple of weeks earlier than February Gold for me this year.
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Tim,
Narcissus 'Rijnveld's Early Sensation' is probably the earliest of all, at least in this part of the world - sometimes in flower by Christmas, then lasting through January &February. Just now going over. Sorry, don't have a photo of this.
Paul
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My RES are not out yet (at least I don't think so, too snowy to see). I like the look of Spring Dawn - must find out where I can get some. Plantfinder here I come.
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Well, the online Plantfinder is a dead loss nowadays. Google seems to be much more productive.
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Narcissus ‘Coo’
A tiny but vigorous inter-section hybrid between N. cyclamineus and N. bulbocodium.
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Narcissus ‘Shiraume’
It shows typical feature on its corona but is very shay to flower this season :(
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Coo is looking good with you!
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Here is your N cantabricus petunioides looking beautiful here just now, Tatsuo.
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Some seedlings flowering now, unnamed so far:
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That little white one ( turning white, third pic) is a real cutie, Anne!
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Spring Dawn is a January flower for me. I get it from my local gardening association so I guess it is readily available. Well over now, even before the snow collapsed it.
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Here is your N cantabricus petunioides looking beautiful here just now, Tatsuo.
Wow :o Your petunioides seems comfortable, Anne 8)
Continuing from last season, mine is unlikely to flower this season too :(
Some seedlings flowering now, unnamed so far:
They are very cute :D Especially the bi-coloured one :P
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Narcissus cantabricus, Spain
SRGC Seed Exchange, 2010 - 5194
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Narcissus papyraceus, JJA 702.720, “almost certainly originating in Morocco”
Its flower stalk is shorter than leaves.
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8) 8) 8) 8) 8) Words fail me, Tatsuo!!!
Looking back at your previous photos of these - they are just getting better and better!
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Narcissus papyraceus MS.427, Spain, Antequera.
In contrast with its African relative in my previous post, its flower stalk is taller than leaves.
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8) 8) 8) 8) 8) Words fail me, Tatsuo!!!
Looking back at your previous photos of these - they are just getting better and better!
Thanks, Maggi :) They are just getting bigger and bigger ;)
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striking difference, both are wonderful. Why your plants are much more compact than those grown in europe, is it light angle?
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striking difference, both are wonderful. Why your plants are much more compact than those grown in europe, is it light angle?
Thanks, Yann. Yes, the light angle is one of the reason, I think. The main reason is probably winter weather. Here is the mid-latitude east coast climate. From late Autumn to early Spring, we have sunnier and drier days here far more than the UK and Europe.
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I choose Tokyo as a sample point for day length compared to me.
Tokyo: https://www.gaisma.com/en/location/tokyo.html (https://www.gaisma.com/en/location/tokyo.html)
New Jersey: https://www.gaisma.com/en/location/fort-lee-new-jersey.html. (https://www.gaisma.com/en/location/fort-lee-new-jersey.html.)
You can compare the "insolation" numbers for different parts of the world to see why Tatsuo's plants are more compact.
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Here are some 'bulbocodiums' - just flowering
1. Narcisssus bulbocodium from Tizi n' Tichka/Morocco
2. Narcissus x susannae - from different sources (wild)
3. Narcissus x matritensis - a little bit smaller flowers than the previous one
4. Narcissus albicans
Gerd
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Lovely hoops and their hybrids, Gerd :D
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Narcissus cantabricus “var. clusii”
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Lovely post on Facebook today from Eric Breed .....
"Narcissus 'The Expert' blooming in a pot today. Bred by Carlos van der and it was named for our dad we lost in april last year."
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Narcissus 'The Expert'
What a good memorial for the man who grew the "Connoisseur Collection " the late Kees Breed.
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Narcissus cantabricus “var. clusii”
Oh, my! A Forrest medal winner - if only!
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Oh, my! A Forrest medal winner - if only!
Indeed!!!
Gerd
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This is Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. obesus in the cilffs near the town of São Martinho do Porto in Central Portugal. The photos were taken last weekend and there were thousands of them specially in the west facing clifs and even in the north facing ones. But, I've noticed that they resent competition of oxalis pes-caprae, an invasive species that can do lots of harm in this shores. Narcissus bulbocodium seems to grow weak when oxalis are around, and eventualy they might lost the battle. This is just my observation I'm not sure if this is really the case for the Narcissus. Some research is needed.
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Obrigado, Jaime,
lovely to see these in the wild,
cheers
fermi
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Thank you Fermi. These are especially beautiful in the wild. And the color is of a really deep yellow, very rich.
De Sousa is a very common surname in people with Portuguese origin, I wonder if that's the case with you? :)
Here is some more photo of N. bulbocodium:
Obrigado, Jaime,
lovely to see these in the wild,
cheers
fermi
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Obrigado, Jaime
Thanks from me too Jaime. It's very interesting to see these Portuguese narcissus.
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Thank you for sharing the exciting pictures, Jaime :D
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Narcissus ‘Andy Blanchard’ :) :) :)
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Narcissus ‘Andy Blanchard’
Very nice!
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Thanks from me too Jaime. It's very interesting to see these Portuguese narcissus.
Thank you Ashley, it's a pleasure to share these small gems with you guys.
Thank you for sharing the exciting pictures, Jaimie :D
Thank you too YT, and by the way that Narcissus ‘Andy Blanchard’ is exquisite, love the color ...I belive it is an hybrid of N. cyclamineus(?)
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Very nice!
Thanks, Maggi :) I'm hoping Andy likes my place ::)
Thank you too YT, and by the way that Narcissus ‘Andy Blanchard’ is exquisite, love the color ...I belive it is an hybrid of N. cyclamineus(?)
Yes, Jaime! N. ‘Andy Blanchard’ is the fabulous hybrid between triandrus and cyclamineus.
You can find his further information on the DaffSeek (http://daffseek.org/detail-page/?cultivar=Andy%20Blanchard). The hybridiser "annew" is a regular member of this web forum ;)
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Andy looks to be doing better in Japan than Yorkshire! Not even out yet here either.
Nice to see the wild daffodils!
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Tatsuo's lovely cantabricus won a first prize at RHS Rosemoor and almost got Best Miniature too, but it was almost going over, and was pipped by Brian Duncan's lovely 'Sleek'. (the cantabricus grew 3cm in the car on the journey!). I flew the flag with my SRGC sweatshirt ;)
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Some portraits taken today, since it is so wet outside.
One of mine - 2940-1-14
Fairy Gold - an Irish cultivar
Papa Snoz - from Keira bulbs in Australia
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More:
Brian Duncan's 'Sleek'
My 'Gale Force'
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Finally, I was delighted to have some flowers of forumist Lesley Cox's beautiful little 'Susan Cox' to show. It is a superb flower, very regular, symmetrical and elegant.
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Everyone a gem, Anne - I love 'Sleek' - but how marvelous to see 'Susan Cox' in the UK. Well done ...... and shown in the week of Lesley Cox' birthday!
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Yes, Jaime! N. ‘Andy Blanchard’ is the fabulous hybrid between triandrus and cyclamineus.
You can find his further information on the DaffSeek (http://daffseek.org/detail-page/?cultivar=Andy%20Blanchard). The hybridiser "annew" is a regular member of this web forum ;)
Thank you YT for the information, first impression was a N. cyclamineus hybrid, but wow with triandrus...it really had to be special, looks gorgeous. Congratulations to Anne Wright for those beautiful gems.
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Tatsuo's lovely cantabricus won a first prize at RHS Rosemoor and almost got Best Miniature too, but it was almost going over, and was pipped by Brian Duncan's lovely 'Sleek'. (the cantabricus grew 3cm in the car on the journey!). I flew the flag with my SRGC sweatshirt ;)
Congratulations Anne, and thank you for the wonderful photos of the show. That's temptation in a pot!!
Btw, I Loved your Portugal and Spain wild narcisi photos from your web page.
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Thanks, Jaime - that was the holiday of a lifetime.
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Congratulations, Anne :D :D :D These are true stunners :o 8) :P
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Thank you for the fantastic N. cantabricus petunioides - it was much admired, and also considered for the best miniature.
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More Narcissus bulbocodium. This time N. bulbocodium subsp. bulbocodium, these photos were taken in a field close to a friend's house in a suburban area. It's a quite wet field and much more fertile and "green" than the cliffs where we can find N. obesus.
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More Narcissus bulbocodium. This time N. bulbocodium subsp. bulbocodium, these photos were taken in a field close to a friend's house in a suburban area. It's a quite wet field and much more fertile and "green" than the cliffs where we can find N. obesus.
How wonderful it must be to have these growing wild nearby.
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How wonderful it must be to have these growing wild nearby.
I agree with Anne - in my neighborhood there are only some daisies!
Jaime, according the characteristic shape of the corona (leaves are not clearly visible - should be more or less prostrate) I would not
hesitate to call these plants also 'obesus'.
Gerd
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I agree with Anne - in my neighborhood there are only some daisies!
Jaime, according the characteristic shape of the corona (leaves are not clearly visible - should be more or less prostrate) I would not
hesitate to call these plants also 'obesus'.
Gerd
Hi Gerd,
We were a bit puzzled trying to identify these ones, cause they had the charactericitc green marks in the corona more or less evident, maybe a bit paler...so I wasn't not sure, now I know these are also obesus. The other population had a ditinct yellow corona, with any green marks in the back.(Maybe an intermediate population?) I didn't know that the shape of corola played an important part to ID the these 2 subsp. Thank you Gerd.
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How wonderful it must be to have these growing wild nearby.
Yes Anne, wonderful to have them just outside your door, they are really special... but also commun, sometimes not treated with all the respect they deserve. Lots of people picking then...
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a big flower with deeporange dubbled tube shows the variety "Friso" in memory of the dutch prince, who died during Austria holidays
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Hi Gerd,
We were a bit puzzled trying to identify these ones, cause they had the charactericitc green marks in the corona more or less evident, maybe a bit paler...so I wasn't not sure, now I know these are also obesus. The other population had a ditinct yellow corona, with any green marks in the back.(Maybe an intermediate population?) I didn't know that the shape of corola played an important part to ID the these 2 subsp. Thank you Gerd.
Jaime,
It's not unusual to be puzzled when you try to identify Narcissus (bulbocodium) obesus. My 'daffodil bible' - Narcissus from Blanchard (1990) stated in the beginning: There is more disagreement about this variety than any other.
Even Iberian botanists (Fernandes/Valdes) don't agree whether ' obesus ' should be treated as a species, subspecies or a variety.
This means to me that there must be a lot of variation between plants which are united under the term mentioned.
Besides this I believe that a species with a such large distribution (Portugal/Spain/Morocco) necessarely might not be uniform.
Personally I prefer a (nonscientific) simple view and call all plants as Narcissus obesus which show the characteristics of rather large flowers, a deep yellow corona, which incurve at the margin, held on short stems in connection with prostrate and fleshy stems.
It would be interesting if you let us know how uniform the plants within the populations you mentioned here are.
Gerd
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I think that Jaime refer to this : http://flora-on.pt/#/d20 (http://flora-on.pt/#/d20) Lots of pictures of both species on the same site which show the variety in height of stem and form of the corolla : http://flora-on.pt/#/1Narcissus+bulbocodium (http://flora-on.pt/#/1Narcissus+bulbocodium)
From a genetic point of view, Fonseca et al. (2015) (https://www.repository.utl.pt/bitstream/10400.5/14987/1/REP-JCCOSTA-Phylogenenetic%20approach%20of%20the%20section%20Bulbocodii-1.pdf (https://www.repository.utl.pt/bitstream/10400.5/14987/1/REP-JCCOSTA-Phylogenenetic%20approach%20of%20the%20section%20Bulbocodii-1.pdf) be careful figures are mixed !) have shown that N. obesus has its organella (mitochondry + chloroplast) closer to cantabricus than other bulbocodium species. This have been also shown in the last study on the phylogeny of Narcissus. The nuclear phylogeny is different, obesus is closer that other bulbocodium species which suggest an old hybridisation. Anyway, with those studies, Narcissus obesus is now usually consider as a valid species and one of the most distinct of the bulbocodium like species.
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Jaime,
It's not unusual to be puzzled when you try to identify Narcissus (bulbocodium) obesus. My 'daffodil bible' - Narcissus from Blanchard (1990) stated in the beginning: There is more disagreement about this variety than any other.
Even Iberian botanists (Fernandes/Valdes) don't agree whether ' obesus ' should be treated as a species, subspecies or a variety.
This means to me that there must be a lot of variation between plants which are united under the term mentioned.
Besides this I believe that a species with a such large distribution (Portugal/Spain/Morocco) necessarely might not be uniform.
Personally I prefer a (nonscientific) simple view and call all plants as Narcissus obesus which show the characteristics of rather large flowers, a deep yellow corona, which incurve at the margin, held on short stems in connection with prostrate and fleshy stems.
It would be interesting if you let us know how uniform the plants within the populations you mentioned here are.
Gerd
I'm with you Gerd.
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Thank you both Anne & Ivain!
@ Ivain: Thank you for the links, especially to the Fonseca et al. paper, which is new to me. I see it makes sense to treat Narcissus obesus as a valid species and I am surprised that the RHS did not realise that in the latest update of Botanical names on the genus Narcissus from december 18th 2017.
From own experience it remains to me that the determination of some bulbocodium populations in their natural surroundings due to their wide morphological variation can be nearly impossible.
Gerd
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Sometimes, seedlings can be quite surprising:
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Sometimes they make me laugh:
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Sometimes they make you wish you hadn't bothered:
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And sometimes they make you thankful to friends far away - look at the variation in this pot of seeds sent to me by forumist Lesley Cox:
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Jaime,
It's not unusual to be puzzled when you try to identify Narcissus (bulbocodium) obesus. My 'daffodil bible' - Narcissus from Blanchard (1990) stated in the beginning: There is more disagreement about this variety than any other.
Even Iberian botanists (Fernandes/Valdes) don't agree whether ' obesus ' should be treated as a species, subspecies or a variety.
This means to me that there must be a lot of variation between plants which are united under the term mentioned.
Besides this I believe that a species with a such large distribution (Portugal/Spain/Morocco) necessarely might not be uniform. which incurve at the margin,
Personally I prefer a (nonscientific) simple view and call all plants as Narcissus obesus which show the characteristics of rather large flowers, a deep yellow corona, which incurve at the margin, held on short stems in connection with prostrate and fleshy stems.
It would be interesting if you let us know how uniform the plants within the populations you mentioned here are.
Gerd
Thank you Greg for your explanation.
I think I already had notieced some variety within the bulbocodium subspecies, I was aware of its variability but, clearly ,I wasn't fully prepared to make a positive ID distinction betwen both subspecies..or I should say species...when you mention "a corona which incurve at the margin" I can now distinctly relate to the obesus species, and the gold deep yellow flower, in contrast to a paler yellow...but, I definately came across some obesus narcissi with some rather thin leaves, and maybe somewhat grassy leaves. Also as @Karaba was saying I was going through the photos from http://flora-on.pt/#/d20 (http://flora-on.pt/#/d20) of the portuguese flora, which stresses the importance of these green marks in the back of the corona, and aparently I can find the green marks more of less notable, again in both species. So, that's why we were misleaded to a wrong N. bulbucodium sbsp. bulbocodium identificarion .
Thank you for making the point with this species, I think now I'm aware of a much better way to aproach both species.
Next time I will try to make photos of both populations of obesus, shwoing the diversity of this species.
Jaime Eusebio
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I think that Jaime refer to this : http://flora-on.pt/#/d20 (http://flora-on.pt/#/d20) Lots of pictures of both species on the same site which show the variety in height of stem and form of the corolla : http://flora-on.pt/#/1Narcissus+bulbocodium (http://flora-on.pt/#/1Narcissus+bulbocodium)
From a genetic point of view, Fonseca et al. (2015) (https://www.repository.utl.pt/bitstream/10400.5/14987/1/REP-JCCOSTA-Phylogenenetic%20approach%20of%20the%20section%20Bulbocodii-1.pdf (https://www.repository.utl.pt/bitstream/10400.5/14987/1/REP-JCCOSTA-Phylogenenetic%20approach%20of%20the%20section%20Bulbocodii-1.pdf) be careful figures are mixed !) have shown that N. obesus has its organella (mitochondry + chloroplast) closer to cantabricus than other bulbocodium species. This have been also shown in the last study on the phylogeny of Narcissus. The nuclear phylogeny is different, obesus is closer that other bulbocodium species which suggest an old hybridisation. Anyway, with those studies, Narcissus obesus is now usually consider as a valid species and one of the most distinct of the bulbocodium like species.
Thank you Yvain for the paper completly new to me, very interesting to me how mitochondrial dna puts obesus closer to Narcissus cantabricus and thus a maternal lineage to this species.... but, also this group it's not monophiletic and much more complex. They also say some mofologic caracteristics have limited taxonomic utility... hello ..green marks on the back of the corona??
Is there any chance of obesus becoming a fully recognised species within few years?
I would love to further study this bulbococium species. Very interesting.
Jaime
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Sometimes, seedlings can be quite surprising:
Sometimes they make me laugh:
Sometimes they make you wish you hadn't bothered:
And sometimes they make you thankful to friends far away - look at the variation in this pot of seeds sent to me by forumist Lesley Cox:
In the third picture, it looks a mini pink trumpet for me :o :D :P
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Narcissus ‘Trumpet Voluntary’ :)
It has been categorised in "standard" height in the DaffSeek (http://daffseek.org/detail-page/?cultivar=Trumpet%20Voluntary&auto=1) but it is true miniature at my place ;)
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Narcissus watieri
Morocco, Atlas Mts., Toubkal. 2400m. Stony slopes.
It's very shy to flower at my place... I probably have to feed them more :-\
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Narcissus ‘Trumpet Voluntary’ :)
It has been categorised in "standard" height in the DaffSeek (http://daffseek.org/detail-page/?cultivar=Trumpet%20Voluntary&auto=1) but it is true miniature at my place ;)
It looks just perfect!
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Narcissus watieri
Morocco, Atlas Mts., Toubkal. 2400m. Stony slopes.
It's very shy to flower at my place... I probably have to feed them more :-\
Perhaps a little feed would help - but I am pleased to see this is the form I prefer, without the folded edges to the petals. So much more elegant.
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Thank you and your advice, Maggi :) Yes, this N. watieri is one of my most favourite daffs.
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Thank you Greg for your explanation.
I think I already had notieced some variety within the bulbocodium subspecies, I was aware of its variability but, clearly ,I wasn't fully prepared to make a positive ID distinction betwen both subspecies..or I should say species...when you mention "a corona which incurve at the margin" I can now distinctly relate to the obesus species, and the gold deep yellow flower, in contrast to a paler yellow...but, I definately came across some obesus narcissi with some rather thin leaves, and maybe somewhat grassy leaves. Also as @Karaba was saying I was going through the photos from http://flora-on.pt/#/d20 (http://flora-on.pt/#/d20) of the portuguese flora, which stresses the importance of these green marks in the back of the corona, and aparently I can find the green marks more of less notable, again in both species. So, that's why we were misleaded to a wrong N. bulbucodium sbsp. bulbocodium identificarion .
Thank you for making the point with this species, I think now I'm aware of a much better way to aproach both species.
Next time I will try to make photos of both populations of obesus, shwoing the diversity of this species.
Jaime Eusebio
Jaime,
Late - but I hope not too late - I now came to the realisation that I made my comments to your ' obesus ' pictures rather flippant and
mainly based on experience with specimen obtained from non wild (or unknown) origin.
These plants exhibit the characteristics mentioned by me - it is quite possible that the situation at the natural habitat is totally different. So I have to confess that I am not as convinced about my identification as I stated formerly.
Please let me tell you that I am very pleased about the contributions from your country, hoping you will continue.
I'll try to comment more carefully in the future :(
Gerd
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Narcissus atlanticus, JJA 694.100 :)
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That atlanticus is wonderful to see Tatsuo, along with your beautiful watieri above 8)
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Jaime,
Late - but I hope not too late - I now came to the realisation that I made my comments to your ' obesus ' pictures rather flippant and
mainly based on experience with specimen obtained from non wild (or unknown) origin.
These plants exhibit the characteristics mentioned by me - it is quite possible that the situation at the natural habitat is totally different. So I have to confess that I am not as convinced about my identification as I stated formerly.
Please let me tell you that I am very pleased about the contributions from your country, hoping you will continue.
I'll try to comment more carefully in the future :(
Gerd
Hi Gerd,
You did well, I have to thank you for making me aware of this kind of mistakes regarding N. bulbocodium identification.
Anayway, I think you were right, all of those were N. obesus, and specially the corona incurved at the margin makes it all more clear now.
Thank you.
Jaime.
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These must be the last photos of N. obesus from this season. The photos were taken last week, and after the heavy rains they probably won't last much longer. Saying that, we started to have flowers from Narcissus obesus since the midle of February, we are now close to the end of March...
Photos were taken in the cliffs near the village of S. Martinho do Porto.
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What a sight - much better than in my greenhouse!
Thank you Jaime.
Gerd
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Narcissus rupicola subsp. marvieri.
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Great flowering of your N. atlanticus, Tatsuo.
Graham Fleming's (Keira bulbs) seedling KS/M/1/2007 won Best Miniature seedling under number at this weeks RHS show. Congratulations!
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That atlanticus is wonderful to see Tatsuo, along with your beautiful watieri above 8)
Thanks, Ashley :)
Great flowering of your N. atlanticus, Tatsuo.
Graham Fleming's (Keira bulbs) seedling KS/M/1/2007 won Best Miniature seedling under number at this weeks RHS show. Congratulations!
Thanks, Anne :) And the Graham Fleming's seedling you grow is lovely ;)
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Narcissus triandrus var. alejandrei, JJA 707.380
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Photo from Ian Scroggy of Dave Hardy of Esker Daffodils ( quite a few SRGC connections there!) with his winning flower at the Coleraine Spring Show in Ireland ..... it is the charming Narcissus 'Chipper'
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Best Bloom in Show, Best miniature and Best AOD 'Chipper'
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Well done, Dave! (And Esker Farm's new catalogue is just out! - http://www.eskerfarmdaffodils.com (http://www.eskerfarmdaffodils.com))
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The first Narcissus bulbocoides Spoirot flower in open grund, planted in november 2017.
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Narcissus 'Eystettensis'
Planted last autumn in a trough. I like the flower
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It is a favourite of mine, too, Jan.
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Narcissus triandrus var. alejandrei, JJA 707.380
I love this wild form of N. triandrus, what a beautiful and neat habit. I want to grow it in the future.
Thank you for Sharing, YT.
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Narcissus bicolor = abcissus in the garden. It has been collected 2 years ago in the Corbières, southern France.
Third picture is a flower with very large tepal (it's totally hazard as I collected the bulb a month after blooming)
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Some pictures to show the difference between Narcissus bicolor (=abcissus) and N. pseudonarcissus
As you can seen, the corona is longer and the ratio corona/tube is much larger in bicolor. The leaves are very wide and it is really stricking in the wild.
1 Narcissus bicolor on the right
2 Narcissus bicolor on the left
3 Narcissus bicolor on the right
4 Narcissus bicolor at bottom
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Candlepower was Alec Gray's-registered 1975. Englander was registered 1992 with hybridiser unknown
Nice piece of history from Rob Potteton .....
A bit of history for you. We exhibited this Narcissus cyclamineus selection at RHS Vincent Square as part of our display in the early 1980’s. During the two day event Sally Kingdom the Narcissus registrar asked what it was, I replied it was an unknown selection and please could she identify us. At the end of the show we gave her a flower. Upon returning to London the following month Sally informed us it was unknown and please could we name it. My dad had grown this plant for many years and said other growers also had plants, as the origin was unknown he chose the name ‘Englander’. It is a thoroughly good garden bulb and long lived. Narcissus cyclamineus ‘Englander’.
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It has also been known as 'Usurper' in some places. Here it is as I saw it at The Garden House in March 2016. I posted it on the Forum early in March 2016.
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Narcissus 'Woodcroft Beauty' from Croft 16 nursery, i love old hybrids
and Narcissus 'Multamanta'
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Did any of you see the dress Emily Blunt was wearing on the Graham Norton Show last night? I wish I had a bigger telly. It had a black background and was covered in prints of large daffodil cultivars. It was so frustrating. When she was speaking the camera concentrated on her face and when someone else was speaking it moved over her too fast to get a proper look at the daffs. There was a photo in today's local paper but it's too small to get any detail.
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Is this the dress, Roma?
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Yes. Fantastic isn't it.
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This is one of the daintiest and reliably flowering 'bulbocodiums' of my collection - with a slight 'obesus look' but smaller than this species
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Gerd
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I like that dress. I must have one for gardening in :D
It was so cold and wet today, I decided to spend it taking photos so I could stay indoors!
A VERY tiny N. bulbocodium var ectandrus
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Narcissus x rupidulus Little Jen, chosen and named by my daughter.
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Narcissus Panna Cotta group (rupicola x watieri)
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Narcissus Crème Frâiche group (watieri x rupicola)
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Narcissus x cazorlanus
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My first and favourite species, N. rupicola
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Narcissus triandrus loiseleurii at last, seeds from Rafa, thank you!
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This is an exceptionally free flowering form of Narcissus gaditanus
Gerd
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N. rupicola
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In the open ground flowers after strong winter at first N. bulbocoides Spoilrot, then the Yellow N. bulbocoide and N. odoratus. All the species survived nighttemperatures in march till -18°C without snow.
Other great common Narcissus varieties, as Carlton or Icefollies had serios leave damages!
foto 1: Narcissus bulbocodium Spoirot, white-creme
foto 2: Narcissus bulbocodium Great Selection JSP, deep-yellow
foto 3: Narcissus odoratus, yellow
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Hi Harald-Alex,
lovely to see an Australian raised daffodil doing well overseas, but there's no "L" in 'Spoirot'! See https://daffseek.org/detail-page/?cultivar=Spoirot&auto=1 (https://daffseek.org/detail-page/?cultivar=Spoirot&auto=1)
It was raised by Rod Barwick of Glenbrook Bulb Farm in Tasmania by crossing Narcissus bulbocodium ssp bulbocodium var conspicuus and N cantabricus ssp cantabricus foliosus and registered in 1998. It was one of his "Little Detectives" series, which includes 'Smarple' (MisS MARPLE) and 'Kholmes' (SherlocK HOLMES) and Sporoit (HerculeS POROIT) - though of course, the name is actually Hercule with no "S" at the end!
cheers
fermi
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Hi Harald-Alex,
lovely to see an Australian raised daffodil doing well overseas, but there's no "L" in 'Spoirot'! See https://daffseek.org/detail-page/?cultivar=Spoirot&auto=1 (https://daffseek.org/detail-page/?cultivar=Spoirot&auto=1)
It was raised by Rod Barwick of Glenbrook Bulb Farm in Tasmania by crossing Narcissus bulbocodium ssp bulbocodium var conspicuus and N cantabricus ssp cantabricus foliosus and registered in 1998. It was one of his "Little Detectives" series, which includes 'Smarple' (MisS MARPLE) and 'Kholmes' (SherlocK HOLMES) and Sporoit (HerculeS POROIT) - though of course, the name is actually Hercule with no "S" at the end!
cheers
fermi
Hallo Fermi de Sousa, Thank You very much for Your interest comment to my foto of N. bulb. Spoirot. I didn`t know, that this fine creme-white variety was born in Australia-Tasmania and think, it is wonderful to grow this narcissus here in Germany. They had a long way from Tasmania via Netherlands (I got thes from Verberghe bloembollen) into my garden. I planted thes in nov. 2017 in open ground covered with 3 cm mulch. We had in begin march hard frosty weather till -18°C and the narcissus survived this well. They first of all wild narcissus started flowering in end of march with fine creme-white flowers. The next variety was N. odorus and then the deelyellow N. bulbocodium selectie JSP from Verberghe. Now I wait for N romieuxii Julia Jane at last!
After the snowdrops this wild narcissus are fine colourful plants and now I am interested to look for the other varieties of the"Little Detectives"!
By the way, I have as hobby an orginal Black Cab Austin here in Germany and transported in summer 2016 for the Open-Air Concert "A British Summernight" in Wittenberge the detectives Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson from the backstages to the stage!
Greetings from Germany Harald Alex
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That is a great story, Harald-Alex! And interesting that your bulbs have survived such temperatures.
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This is an exceptionally free flowering form of Narcissus gaditanus
Gerd
That is a LOT of flowers - well done!
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Thank you Anne!
It is a good flowering clone + some artificial heating during their rest is beneficial!
Gerd
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You may remember Lesley Cox introducing us to her hybrid daffodil, which she decided to name for her daughter Susan ? Here it is from 2013
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Now , thanks to help from Anne Wright - who has grown and shown this cultivar in the UK - the plant is fomally registered.
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Congratiulations Lesley - and Susan - who you may also remember has a tattoo of her named narcissus - and to Anne for her help.
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Happy to help- Lesley was kind enough to send me some bulbs - it is a delightful little daff.
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I found this unusual looking daff today! I think it's N. Pipit but not 100% sure. There were several clumps but 1 bulb stood out from the rest as shown in the 2nd pic. Is this normal for this variety? Many thanks Shaun
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one of the last Narcissus is the N. odoratus with small but colourful flowers, till 3 per stem.
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This is one of the daintiest and reliably flowering 'bulbocodiums' of my collection - with a slight 'obesus look' but smaller than this species
- received from Rafa in 2011
Gerd
We should compare, side by side. This is the first flowering (now passed) of seeds received in 2014-2015 also from Rafa as Narcissus obesus...
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We should compare, side by side. This is the first flowering (now passed) of seeds received in 2014-2015 also from Rafa as Narcissus obesus...
Seems to be quite similar - I got mine first without a species indication and later as possibly obesus.
Extraordinary plant, isn't it?
Gertd
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Mine is from Cascais, near Lisbon, so, it should be true obesus.
Yes, big and nice yellow flowers that I loved. Unfornutaly, snails and slugs loved it too and let me only very few flowers for their first time flowering...
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I found this unusual looking daff today! I think it's N. Pipit but not 100% sure. There were several clumps but 1 bulb stood out from the rest as shown in the 2nd pic. Is this normal for this variety? Many thanks Shaun
Hi Shauney, the breaking of the white through the yellow on your flower is a sign of virus infection. I recommend you dig up and discard the bulb.
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Hi Shauney, the breaking of the white through the yellow on your flower is a sign of virus infection. I recommend you dig up and discard the bulb.
Thankyou Anne for your reply. The leaves look strong and healthy so I think I will dig it up and will quarantine it and see what happens next year. If it dies then I've lost nothing but if it survives and grows strong and does the same then that's a bonus as I actually quite like it!
Many thanks Shaun.
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From Picos de Europa:
Narcissus minor subsp. brevicoronatus
http://www.floramontiberica.org/FM/070/Flora_Montib_070_050-066_2018.pdf (http://www.floramontiberica.org/FM/070/Flora_Montib_070_050-066_2018.pdf)
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Narcissus primegenius
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Narcissus pseudonarcissus
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Narcissus triandrus subsp. triandrus
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Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. saltuum
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Narcissus pseudonarcissus
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Narcissus minor subsp. brevicoronatus and Erythronium dens-canis
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Excellent photos, Rafa, thank you!
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Thank you Maggi
Here some hybrids. Narcissus x cofiñalensis (N. minor subsp. brevicoronatus x N. primigenius)
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Narcissus x praviani
Narcissus triandrus subsp. triandrus x Narcissus primigenius
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Narcissus × herminii
1.Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. saltuum x Narcissus primigenius
2.Narcissus primigenius x Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. saltuum
3. family picture
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Narcissus × herminii
1.Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. saltuum x Narcissus primigenius
2.Narcissus primigenius x Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. saltuum
3. family picture
Beautiful photos, Rafa. I will dream that I am there with you. :)