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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Hans J on January 01, 2018, 12:12:11 PM
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Hi all ,
before two days I have received the new Cyclamen list from my friend Renate Brinkers
She is the owner of the german nursery "Pflanze & Co"
http://www.pflanze-und-co.de/ (http://www.pflanze-und-co.de/)
Here is here new list :
http://www.pflanze-und-co.de/Cyclamen%20Dez%202017.pdf (http://www.pflanze-und-co.de/Cyclamen%20Dez%202017.pdf)
This list is written in german ...but I think it is no Problem to read it for all of you
in case you have any questions ...please write to Renate
( she is also a member here ) ...so you can use contact via PM
Have fun
Hans
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Just has sent me Renate the new Flyer for the Cyclamen days 2018 in her nursery :
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Cyclamen rohlfsianum has come into flower again.
Two days ago there was nothing above ground and suddenly this morning it was in bloom
cheers
fermi
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These we received from a generous forum member many years ago.
Cyclamen coum 'Yayladagi"
Yayladagi a small town on the Turkish Syrian border.
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My a year ago planted C. coum flowers again and from the seeds of last years flowers germinated a lot of seedlings under the cyclamen-leaves and around them! Frosts till -9°C did not dammage the motherplant and the seedlings.
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Arnold that's a stunning form!
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Arnold,
I haven´t seen this form before, it has a great colour.
Renate
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Harald-Alex.,
really a lot of seedlings. I am always impressed how these little seedlings survive.
The pictures below where made also at -9°, a bit too blue, sorry.
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Dear David, thank you very much for the answer! I, too, do not have enough of Yan ... His widow reported that Jan's collection of cyclamens had been sent to the UK. My friends in this country have not yet found the traces of the collection. And Jan had the forms of Purpurascens of extraordinary beauty. I'm looking for them ... This site that you sent, i know, they sell seeds of the simplest form. But anyway, thank you very much.
Kind Regards,
Orintia
I have copied the above post from another thread, the post is seeking further information about the possible whereabouts of the late, and much missed, Jan Bravenboer's Cyclamen collection which the poster believes was sent to the UK after Jan's death. He/she is particularly interested in obtaining seeds from Jan's C. purpurascens.
Can anyone help please?
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I checked with Melvyn Jope - he tells me that Jan's collection is distributed to various people around the UK. - I suspect any chance of seed from his plants rests now with the Cyclamen Society seedlist, if any appears there.
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It was a pleasure for me to visit Green Ice and Jan a few years ago on my business trip to France. I have seen his surprisingly small greenhouse - a home of incredible diversity and source of plants and seeds for sale.
I bought some plants then, including C. purpurascens. Now I cannot identify the plants from Jan as I also got them from other source, but small piece of Jan's work does live in my garden. Other cyclamens that I bought then (like C. mirabile), soon went to the happy hunting ground (or another place where cyclamens go forever) as my garden appeared to be to hostile to them.
I also have some C. coum that is trying to survive here. While I lost absolute majority of plants over the years, there is one place where they survive - deep planted and covered with thick layer of cones, leaves and needles. There are even seedlings - clearly the thick mulch is not an obstacle to them.
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This is a group of seedlings that I raised a few years ago from a single dark flowered individual. They sit under a magnolia and seem happy. They have started to appear in other parts of the same bed.
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Regards
David
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My first Cyclamen persicum. This one seed grown from AGS 13/14-2193 (envelope marked "white, pink nose) sown 10 November 2014. Hopefull many more from various seed sources to flower in the next couple of years.
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Very pretty, David - has it got a good scent?
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Didn't have a sniff Maggi, keen to get back in the warm again ;D
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Nice colour David.
I have a good crop of a lot of 'persicum mixed, great leaf pattern' (from Jan Bravenboer, 2012) in flower now. The range is enormous, some plants have flowered 2 months ago and have finished, some are in bud.
I failed to pot them on last year, they were all together in a community pot which then developed botrytis. That prompted me to wash and pot them individually and nearly all of then recovered Here are some pictures of the different flowers:
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First of the autumn flowers:
Cyclamen graecum in the rock garden,
cheers
fermi
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First of the autumn flowers:
Cyclamen graecum in the rock garden,
cheers
fermi
Mercy! That seeded well last year, didn't it?
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Mercy! That seeded well last year, didn't it?
But I didn't get to collect most of it :-[
Here's an updated pic of Cyclamen rohlfsianum,
cheers
feri
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Cyclamen mirabile ex Tilebarn Nicholas is just starting in our shadehouse
cheers
fermi
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Cyclamen libanoticum
Think there are 2 or 3 tubers in this pot but it is a while since they were repotted so am not sure. The flowers have 6 or 7 petals instead of the usual 5. I find this interesting because the parent plant usually has 6 or 7 petals on the first few flowers. I did not think this would be hereditary.
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Cyclamen coum ex 'Quaker Pearl' from Cyclamen Society seed sown in 2014. There are two different leaves in the pot. I assume the silvery one is the correct one .
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Cyclamen coum ex 'Quaker Pearl' from Cyclamen Society seed sown in 2014. There are two different leaves in the pot. I assume the silvery one is the correct one .
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Very nice Roma - like the leaf
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Cyclamen hederifolium is finally flowering here - friends in Kyneton and the Dandenongs have had them out last month,
cheers
fermi
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I have copied the above post from another thread, the post is seeking further information about the possible whereabouts of the late, and much missed, Jan Bravenboer's Cyclamen collection which the poster believes was sent to the UK after Jan's death. He/she is particularly interested in obtaining seeds from Jan's C. purpurascens.
Can anyone help please?
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Я скопировал выше пост из другой темы, пост нуждается в дополнительной информации о возможном местонахождении поздно, и скучал, цикламен коллекции января Брэвенбоер, который считает, плакат был отправлен в Великобританию после смерти Яна. Он/она особенно заинтересована в получении семян от C. purpurascens Яна.
Может кто-нибудь помочь пожалуйста?
Dear David! Many thanks to you for wanting to help! I found information about the cyclamen of Jan. The entire collection of cyclamen plant Jan Bravenbauer is now taken care of by Hines Joe, Joe holds the National Cyclamen Collection in England.
Her Email:
highercherubeergarden@gmail.com
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Dear David! Many thanks to you for wanting to help! I found information about the cyclamen of Jan. The entire collection of cyclamen plant Jan Bravenbauer is now taken care of by Hines Joe, Joe holds the National Cyclamen Collection in England.
They will be well looked after by Jo, I'm sure. It's worth pointing out that the Birmingham Botanical Gardens also has a national collection of Cyclamen (although I don't think they have any of Jan's plants).
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This information is from the widow of Jan. You can see for yourself the site of the kennel "Green Ice", here is the link:
https://green-ice-nursery.nl/
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Cyclamen mirabile ex Tilebarn Nicholas is just starting in our shadehouse
Now in full swing,
cheers
fermi
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Cyclamen graecum in another part of the garden is self-seeding; this is one of the older seedlings and has flowered again this year.
There are other seedlings appearing a couple of metres away presumably carried their as seed by ants,
cheers
fermi
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Cyclamen graecum album in the rock garden
cheers
fermi
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Very beautiful! Such a gentle ...
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Cyclamen repandum ssp. rhodense
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Hello Kaisa - welcome to the Forum!!
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Hello! Will be glad to communicate and learn new information.
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This Cyclamen coum started flowering in December and is still flowering. The pictures were taken 8th December, 30th January and 24th March.
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Some Cyclamen flowering now
Cyclamen rhodium ssp peloponnesiacum, ssp vividum and Cyclamen repandum
Cyclamen rhodium ssp vividum - even more vivid in real life
Cyclamen repandum album - it has a very thin red picotee edge, need my specs on to see it
Cyclamen creticum
Cyclamen persicum
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The foliage on the white Cyclamen graecum has now started to emerge
cheers
fermi
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Post from
the Cyclamen Society - looks like a good time to join up!
www.cyclamen.org (http://www.cyclamen.org)
The June 2018 edition of the Cyclamen Society Journal will contain what we hope is an interesting mix of articles. There will be the next in the series 'How I grow cyclamen' as well as articles about The propagation of Cyclamen graecum from cuttings; Christmas in Cyprus; Herbaceous pests and pathogens on cyclamen; The cyclamen of Hans Simon Holtzbecker; Israeli cyclamen in context; Cyclamen creticum revisited; Cyclamen repandum in western Sicily; and the Evia Field Study 2018. Of course there will also be the usual sections on News, Miscellany, and Show Business, as well as the seed list and application form for the Society's Annual Seed Distribution.
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Post from
the Cyclamen Society - looks like a good time to join up!
www.cyclamen.org (http://www.cyclamen.org)
A really good issue this time - an excellent article on growing from seed and a growing from seed guide booklet
Just one question - and its the cat litter one - can it be used for acid loving plants?
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Yes, you can use for plants a filler for cat litter, which contains zeolites - they accumulate moisture and nutrients from fertilizers and slowly give them to plants. When using zeolites, the threat of a plant's flooding is reduced - the substrate becomes very loose.
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A really good issue this time - an excellent article on growing from seed and a growing from seed guide booklet
Just one question - and its the cat litter one - can it be used for acid loving plants?
Graeme, as far as I know , some cat litters are very acidic - and some very alkaline. Most are alkaline - I think so caution for acid loving plants is needed. Particularly since I have read that acidic cat-litter can leach too much acid when watered, let alone the effects of alkaline litter on acid loving plants. Care needed, I think!
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Graeme, as far as I know , some cat litters are very acidic - and some very alkaline. Most are alkaline - I think so caution for acid loving plants is needed. Particularly since I have read that acidic cat-litter can leach too much acid when watered, let alone the effects of alkaline litter on acid loving plants. Care needed, I think!
thanks Maggie - I think I need to put some in a cup with some water and do a test
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Graeme, as far as I know , some cat litters are very acidic - and some very alkaline. Most are alkaline - I think so caution for acid loving plants is needed. Particularly since I have read that acidic cat-litter can leach too much acid when watered, let alone the effects of alkaline litter on acid loving plants. Care needed, I think!
Graeme, The cat litters to use for plants are those made from moler clay and these are most unlikely to give issues regarding pH. Two of the most popular brands to use are Sanicat Pink and Tesco Low Dust Cat Litter. I just tested the Sanicat - using a pH meter and deionised water that was pH 6.9 to start. Adding Sanicat and leaving for a short while then gave a reading of pH 6.8. So the Sanicat is pretty much neutral regarding pH. I would be very surprised if the Tesco were any different, but when I get another minute I'll test that as well and let you know. The manufacturer of the original Seramis that cat litter stands in for quotes a pH of 7.0 i.e. it is neutral too - not surprising given it is made from the same moler clay as the cat litters mentioned. I have been using these materials for over 20 years with no problems from the pH. Don't be put off by occasional scare stories on the web - usually spread by those wanting to sell you more expensive versions of the same stuff! It would though perhaps be a wise caution to test the pH of each new bag you buy just in case they have changed the exact nature of the contents.
Paul
Paul
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Graeme, The cat litters to use for plants are those made from moler clay and these are most unlikely to give issues regarding pH.
I've used the Tesco one for years with no problems. The article in the journal does stress that the cat litter used must be the non-clumping, calcined moler clay type.
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thanks Paul and Steve
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I tested the Tesco Low Dust cat litter and as expected it too came out with a neutral pH.
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A reminder for Cyclamen Society members from Arthur Nicholls ( - and one which is worth bearing in mind for members of all societies!! )
Arthur Nicholls to The Cyclamen Society
Can I please ask members who change their email address to let me know their new address. This ensures that I can contact members if I have a query, and even send them a reminder if they have forgotten to renew their membership - it happens.
Many thanks
Arthur
Membership Secretary
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had another copy of the Cyclamen Society June journal this morning?
does this mean I can order double seed allocation ;)
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I got a pleasant surprise when I returned home after a week away. C. intaminatum grown from seed planted in February 2016.
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Nice one, Keith.
I had a surprise too:
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Cyclamen hederifolium dark
Funny how some of them decide to flower so early. Makes me feel it's nearly autumn!
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I’m delighted with the new leaves emerging from recently acquired cyclamen hederiflorium corms. Such a fascinating genus, and quickly being added to in my garden .....
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This C. hederifolium produced its first flower on 25/6! In the past it has flowered towards the end of August. It has only the faintest hint of pink deep inside. I found the large misshapen tuber at the bottom of an overgrown hedge in our lane. Last year it set quantities of good seed but sadly a mouse nipped off all 50 or so seedling leaves over Christmas. Try again this year.
Erle in hot dry Anglesey
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We got this Cyclamen coum [grown from CSE seed in 2005] from the plants left by our friend Margaret Taras who died a few years ago.
It has good foliage and and the flowers are a bit different to the other C. coum we grow,
cheers
fermi
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That's a nice one Fermi. Here C. coum seed is ripe and ready to harvest, so it's a six-month cycle.
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Hi Ashley,
yes, it's a pretty thing and a nice reminder of a friend taken too soon :'(
This is a beauty that we got from Viv who grew it from Archibald seed - collected in Iran.
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cheers
fermi
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Our friend Gillian was doing some weeding in her bulb bed and brought us what she dug out!
cheers
fermi
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Crumbs! I hope she hasn't put her back out with the heavy lifting! (or is that why she brought it to you?!!)
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No, Maggi,
she was quite well when she left ;D
On the other-hand we may wear out our knees getting them all planted!
Mostly Cyclamen hederifolium which has spread vigorously in her bulb bed over the past 7 years and were over shadowing the emerging Retic Iris!
We have plenty of room to re-home them in our garden
cheers
fermi
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4 different Cyclamen colchicum. Idly browsing through Rareplants (Paul Christian) website I was shocked to see Cyclamen colchicum priced at £29.95! Better get sowing!
Cyclamen purpurascens album - this has been very slow but has 5 flowers this year.
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Very nice plants, Roma! This one I received as Cyclamen graecum ´Glyfada´.
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Nice purpurascens 'Album', Roma , and Graecum 'Glyfada' looks great Mariette. My plants of C. graecum and C. persicum are coming into bud / leaf right now and there are some nice patterns showing. A plant raised from Cyclamen Society seed 2014, C. persicum puniceum ex JJA 3665520 has very nice leaves:
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Unfortunately not all pots of seedlings have escaped the wrath of out Rhode Island hen, who has legs like a bulldozer, and has uprooted many a label over the years. Hence I have too many pots with nice plants but with unknown provenance. I made pictures of some of the flowers and only spotted the serration on this one when I looked at the pictures on the computer. It is a large flower, way larger than any C. cilicium, or C. intaminatum I have ever flowered, and I have no id. Maybe someone could help?
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Another one I am not sure about is a very squat, dumpy looking C. 'hederifolium'. Anyone know if that is hederifolium, or a hybrid?
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And there are many more. Here's a shot of a nice pink C. hederifolium that could well be a C. x whiteae:
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It's interesting to notice how it is not at all straight forward to re-identify subjects when labels are lost. Even after growing Cyclamen seriously for some 12 years now and having Brian Mathew's and Christopher Grey-Wilson's books at hand, I am still not secure in naming 'lost' specimens... I have been waiting for a proper frost for some years now to weed out the C. africanum from C. hederifolium in some cases :D
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And a few more...
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One I'm sure of................I think ;D Cyclamen cilicium from seed (AGS 12/13-2136 sown 16-08-13) and flowering for the first time.
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Beautiful cyclamen, Bart and Dave!
Bart, I usually think of serrations on the flower like that with C. mirabile, but I haven’t grown it and am not sure if the rest fits your description... My chickens share your hen’s love of bulldozing and tag-pulling, so it’s getting harder for me to ID things here, too! (At least they help keep the slugs down!)
Dave, the first flowers from seed are always the best, aren’t they? My favorite kind of magic (after germination, anyway.)
I noticed a nice shout-out to the SRGC seed exchange in my new (US-based) Hansen’s Nursery cyclamen catalog today - like meeting a friend in an unexpected place!
Kelly
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I noticed a nice shout-out to the SRGC seed exchange in my new (US-based) Hansen’s Nursery cyclamen catalog today - like meeting a friend in an unexpected place!
Kelly
From the Oregon cyclamen specialist nursery? That's good to know and kind of them!
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From the Oregon cyclamen specialist nursery? That's good to know and kind of them!
Yes, that’s the one, Maggi! While talking about growing bulbs and discovering which do well in your garden in her introduction, Robin says, “There are lots of opportunities for experimenting with lesser-known and unusual bulbs. The Pacific Bulb Society, Scottish Rock Garden Club, North American Rock Garden Society, and Alpine Garden Society have terrific seed exchanges where you can obtain seed inexpensively with which to experiment.”
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Robin Hansen of Hansen Nursery is also the Editor of the Pacific Bulb Society's 'Bulb Garden' Quarterly. :)
www.hansennursery.com (http://www.hansennursery.com)
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Bart, Your Cyclamen persicum has a very beautiful leaf-pattern, indeed!
Like bibliofloris, I associate serrated flowers with C. mirabile.
Some of my Cyclamen hederifolium show short, squat flowers, too, but usually for only one year. It appears to be due to some kind of disturbance. I noticed this only with potted seedlings flowering the first time, but never with established plants in the garden.
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I grew Cyclamen persicum "ex Israel" from AGS Seedex 2005 but the best flowering plant of it was the one I gave Otto who planted it out in the garden at Ferny Creek Hort Society! Encouraged by its success outdoors (mine were all in the shade-house) I planted some out a couple of years ago and this year there are the first flowers showing and lots more to follow
cheers
fermi
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A rather good Cyclamen purpurascens that popped up in the garden. The flowers are usually very dark.
john
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with the first rains after a very hot and dry summer also in my garden the Cyclamum hederifolium starts with flowering
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Major ivy removal revealed something much more attractive albeit it will have ivy shaped leaves in a while :)
Cyclamen hederifolium - venerable ones.
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I grew Cyclamen persicum "ex Israel" from AGS Seedex 2005 but the best flowering plant of it was the one I gave Otto who planted it out in the garden at Ferny Creek Hort Society!
We were at the FCHS Spring Show today and got a chance to take a pic of the Cyclamen persicum "ex Israel" which I gave Otto - he was rather dismissive of the one I posted above!
The bamboo stakes are placed around the plant in flower to discourage the feathered vandals, I think
cheers
fermi
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That is one LARGE Cyclamen! What a beauty!
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a big one purpurascens
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a big one purpurascens
:o :o That's so big it is frightening!!
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From the greenhouse today.
Cyclamen cilicium forma album
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C. cilicium a light form
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C. cilicium ex 'Erna Frank'
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One from Mike Quest, Cyclamen mirabile
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C. mirabile ex 'Tilebarn Nicholas'
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C. mirabile ex 'Tilebarn Nicholas'- leaf
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Again one from Mike, Cyclamen graecum CSE 93643
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C. graecum 'Glyfada'
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From the greenhouse today.
Cyclamen cilicium forma album
That's a beauty, David!
One I must try here sometime - when I get around to it!
cheers
fermi
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.....One I must try here sometime - when I get around to it!
Here's one for you Fermi
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Nice Cyclamen, David.
Here are a few of mine.
Cyclamen rohlfsianum (sown 1983)
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Cyclamen hederifolium
They do really well here in gravel in full sun against the house wall
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Cyclamen mirabile from SRGC seed sown in January 2001. The second one is a much bigger plant.
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We were at the FCHS Spring Show today and got a chance to take a pic of the Cyclamen persicum "ex Israel" which I gave Otto - he was rather dismissive of the one I posted above!
The bamboo stakes are placed around the plant in flower to discourage the feathered vandals, I think
cheers
fermi
wonderful cyclamum exemplars in You exhibition! That You need baboo-stakes against vandalism I understand, because such pretty exemplares only one time exists!
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C. graecum 'Glyfada'
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This one looks like the original type found by Brian Mathew, described with pewtwer-coloured leaves. I wonder, whether those with more silvery leaves like the one I showed (# 61) may also be called ´Glyfada´?
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Nice Cyclamen, David.
Here are a few of mine.
Cyclamen rohlfsianum (sown 1983)
They are great, Roma. It is nice to see how old they are, and I believe C. rohlfsianum, C. graecum and C. mirabile definitely get better with age. My C. rohlfsianum are 12 years old or thereabouts and have not flowered all that well for the last years. This year the first to flower has 14 flowers.
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Cyclamen rohlfsianum
Cyclamen mirabile 'Tilebarn Nicholas' is getting there:
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And finally the leaves of C. crassifolium ex CSE 93073:
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I have to admit it, I am bad at record keeping. I can now not trace back where the seeds came from and when. C. mirabile 'T.N.' is predates 2010, and this crassifolium - no idea. Was it part of Jan Bravenboer's list? I have a record of all seed I bought of him, but this one does not show up there. It is a stunning series, all plants with the green border and white centre. Will post more pics when the others develop.
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A baby from the CSE seeds, Cyclamen mirabile 'Tilebarn Anne'.
By the way Roma and David you show us stunning plants.
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Seems like the Cyclamen Society event at Harlow Carr went well - hoping someone will take the trouble to share photos here to delight all... :)
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Just had to show you another pic of my Cyclamen mirabile. The big one is in a 25 cm. (10in.) pot. The smaller is in a 15cm (6in) pot. The seed was labelled 'Tilebarn Nicholas'. The leaves of the smaller one are closest to the original.
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Cyclamen cilicium
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Just had to show you another pic of my Cyclamen mirabile. The big one is in a 25 cm. (10in.) pot. The smaller is in a 15cm (6in) pot.
Wow, Roma! I've never seen them get so big!
What's your regime for these?
When do you re-pot? and how much bigger a pot can you use?
cheers
fermi
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They are great, Roma. It is nice to see how old they are,
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And finally the leaves of C. crassifolium ex CSE 93073:
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I and this crassifolium - no idea. Was it part of Jan Bravenboer's list? I have a record of all seed I bought of him, but this one does not show up there. It is a stunning series, all plants with the green border and white centre. Will post more pics when the others develop.
c crassifolium is very nice
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Just had to show you another pic of my Cyclamen mirabile. The big one is in a 25 cm. (10in.) pot. The smaller is in a 15cm (6in) pot. The seed was labelled 'Tilebarn Nicholas'. The leaves of the smaller one are closest to the original.
Two beautiful pots Roma.
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This is a hederifolium from seed Hans Joschko sent me way back in 2012 as arrow leaf form.
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A nice dark form of Cyclamen cilicium from seed Tony Willis sent to me way back in 2011.
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... and another cilicium dark form
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For some reason I haven't been successful with Cyc. intaminatum in the past, this one came from Mike Quest last year, hope I can keep it!
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I have made a new thread for the Cyclamen Society Show at Harlow Carr - and added some more photos to Steve W.'s , for Cliff Booker .... http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=16680.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=16680.0)
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Cyclamen growers, Please have a look at my question about vine Weevil treatment in the Cultivation problems thread:
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=16684.msg396465#msg396465 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=16684.msg396465#msg396465)
Thank you
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For some reason I haven't been successful with Cyc. intaminatum in the past, this one came from Mike Quest last year, hope I can keep it!
Sadly lost my largest plant last year - the corm was about 6" across -- must have had it over 30 years
However I did sow some seed off it in 2006 and they are still under a bench all these years later - although it seems to have a rogue white hederifolium appear from somewhere.
Some are a little pinker flowers
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I have been intending on potting them on for some time now......
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Coum seem to be very early this year - perhaps the warm weather - I may have watered early but all are in full growth
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the bees seem to have been through the hederifolium and there were a lot of dropped flowers today
however I have two H. Stargazer now but they are both white - does anyone have a pink one
I have had the paintbrush round both with pollen from the dark flowered hederifolium so we I will see if I get seed set
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Wow, Roma! I've never seen them get so big!
What's your regime for these?
When do you re-pot? and how much bigger a pot can you use?
cheers
fermi
I think luck is the main factor. Sow lots of seeds ( though these two were from 5 seeds of Cyclamen mirabile from SRGC). Grow them for a looong time. There is quite a difference in size and they are both the same age.
I think benign neglect would describe my regime for most of my Cyclamen. I dry them off once the weather gets warmer and they start losing their leaves. They then stay under the bench for summer and I start watering once I see flowering begin The big one now stays on top of the bench as it's a bit heavy to move and i'm not as fit as I used to be.
I repot young plants annually and do it less frequently as they (and I) get older. The larger Cyclamen mirabile was potted on in 2014 as watering was getting a bit difficult. I think it was in a 6 or 7 inch pot. It will NOT be getting a bigger pot than 10 inch.
Cyclamen mirabile in 2014
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Cyclaments were watered last week-end, the festival is now opened ;)
Cyclamen mirabile and graecum
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Cyclamen hederifolium
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c. purpurascens
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In the nursery of Oron Peri today ... Cyclamen graecum
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https://seedsofpeace.info/
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Does anyone know if the Cyclamen Society seed distribution has been sent out this year?
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Hi Graeme, It says in the seedex pages distribution will start mid- October. Nearly there!
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Hi Graeme, The society seed hasn't been sent out yet. I've just spoken with Roy (the seed distribution manager) and he said that donations are still coming in, it's been very slow this year, probably because of the hot summer. However, he is hoping to get the seed distributed by the end of October.
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a dark one and a tricolori purpurascens in the forest(http://up.picr.de/33924788ss.jpg)
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thanks Bart and Denise - I was very late sending in my request and I had not requested any seed since about 2014 - I am desperate to get started again after a bit of a lay off - coir and cat litter at the ready :)
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Cyclamen purpuracens is very beautiful, with all its leaves round.
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Cyclamen africanum
it's a spring purchase; but its hardiness is limited, I wonder how I will maintain it this winter ...
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Such a pretty flower - well worth a little frost protection I think, Véronique.
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Cyclamen cyprium ex E.S from seed.
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Your purpurascens are very impressive stone!! It's a tough audience here at times.
Lovely africanum Véronique, and so well photographed
And your cyprium is quite nice too David
Thanks for posting
My Cyclamen seedlings from Jan should all flower next year.At the moment there is only one lonely bloom on a coum, small very dark red-pink.
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danke
das africanum ist wunderschön, das erste welches ich sehe
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We are growing a lot of cyclamens indoors and many of them are flowering all year round. We published a few photographs from Sep 2018 at the following URL: https://photo.kirill-research.com/cyclamens_Sep_2018/ (https://photo.kirill-research.com/cyclamens_Sep_2018/)
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Cyclamen africanum from seed sown November 2014.
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Cyclamen rohlfsianum from seed sown November 2014
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Cyclamen africanum from seed sown November 2014.
Hi David, your africanum looks very much like graecum? Hard to see with the perspective on the leaves. Nice flowers though!
We are growing a lot of cyclamens indoors and many of them are flowering all year round. We published a few photographs from Sep 2018...
Hi Elena,
Interesting to see your cyclamen doing well in the window sills. Especially purpurascens would be a bonus for the scent! Why do C.persicum and C. rohlfsianum , if grown in the house, stop flowering though- or rather, what keeps the others going?
Most Cyclamen have now broken dormancy. I spotted a very odd deformation on an emerging flower from a C. cilicium:
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And the serrated C.hederifolium is still going:
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Nice light on C. graecum, but should have thought about the background...
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And C. mirabile keeps looking great!
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Hi David, your africanum looks very much like graecum? Hard to see with the perspective on the leaves. Nice flowers though!
Mmmm. I'll still back africanum though!
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from the Cyclamen Society, Cyclamen hederifolium 93160, a 2 years old baby
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from the Cyclamen Society, Cyclamen hederifolium 93160, a 2 years old baby
Super shots Yann.
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This one from SRGC seedex was supposed to be Cyclamen mirabile niveum. Not only is it not whilte it is Cyclamen cilicium. Disappointing.
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This potful is interesting. From Cyclamen society seed. Supposed to be Cyclamen parviflorum sub-alpinum. Mainly Cyclamen coum with 2 or 3 ?persicum.
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Roma, which year's seedex was the C mirabile/cilicium from? I have some plants flowering for the first time which look very similar to yours, I think they were just labelled mirabile. When it is light i will go and check.
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Some Cyclamen flowering now. C. mirabile, C. hederifolium with C. hederifolium ssp crassifolium the large one back left - hederifolium on steroids!
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Cyclamen graecum
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Carolyn, the Cyclamen mirabile/cilicium was from the 2014/15 seed exchange. It was definitely labelled niveum. I was suspicious when I got a flower last year (it was pink) because I usually find Cyclamen mirabile takes a few years to flower.
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Yann, your photography is superb !
Roma, what a nice neat show of potted cyclamen.
For my Cyclamen africanum - I hope he is properly determined, I find his flowers dark compared to the other pictures on the internet - so I'll get him into the house. How hard is it? my greenhouse is not frost free ...
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You have a lovely collection Roma.
Roughly how old are your larger pots please and secondly do you water all your Cyclamen from below? I'm never certain which way is best.
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This one from SRGC seedex was supposed to be Cyclamen mirabile niveum. Not only is it not whilte it is Cyclamen cilicium. Disappointing.
Same here.
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Dear Bart,
Your C.mirabile and C.graecum are very nice.
C. purpurasens are not really fragrant either under artificial lighting or on windowsills. The little fragrance differs between plants with different leaves; it is interesting to note that the least pleasant leaves are on a plant with the most pleasant (and unusual) fragrance:
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I have never grown rolfsianum and limited myself to the easiest to grow cultivars of C.persicum, grown on a windowsill. Different plants have different dormancy on the same windowsill. For instance, white-flowering persicums flower non-stop from 2012. Other plants have dormant periods of different length, during which some may keep their leaves or be dormant without them.
Do you know what may cause an unusual shape of flowers on a C.persicum cultivar (grown from seeds) which flowers in the same way from 2013 and same for C.purpurascens grown from seeds germinated in 2017?
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Cyclamen colchicum - seems it will never stop flowering.
Gerd
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David, the older Cyclamen hederifolium are from a 1998 sowing of C. hed. 'Bowles Apollo'. I didn't get any with pink on the leaves. They varied from quite ordinary to well marked to pure silver.
The mirabile are both from a 2001 sowing of 'Tilebarn Nicholas'. One is much bigger. The leaves of the smaller one are nearer to 'T. Nicholas'
The graecums were sown in 2003/04 from CSE seed from collected plants. The white one is older and was bought as a pant.
Cyclamen hederifolium ssp crassifolium is from Cyclamen Society seed ex PN99/151 from Zakythnos. I got a good germination but one plant was bigger and faster growing than the others. Its leaves are not very interesting I sold one or two at a discussion weekend and still have a few. The others are not yet in leaf.
I usually water from the top. It is not ideal but I grow so many plants in my greenhouse I find it difficult to give everything ideal conditions. I might not lose so many young Cyclamen if I was more careful with watering. It is survival of the fittest
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Hello Roma, As regards the C. parviflorum sub-alpinum seed you received from the Cyclamen Society, I am sorry it has turned out to be C.coum and C.persicum. We do try to keep all species separate, but as with all seed distributions we are dependent on the accuracy not the donated seed. in this instance it is definitely incorrect. C. parviflorum sub alpine is very rarely donated to the Society, and in this instance it is obviously incorrect. Thank you for making me aware of this, and I will try to ensure that i keep a closer eye on donated seed.
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Hello Roy, great to hear from you - I think all seed exchanges have occasional problems with wrongly named seed - it's one of the reasons why we started the Seeds to Scale project in 2009 to help to identify seed for the exchanges.
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4426.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4426.0)
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David, the older Cyclamen hederifolium are from a 1998 sowing of C. hed. 'Bowles Apollo'. I didn't get any with pink on the leaves. They varied from quite ordinary to well marked to pure silver.
The mirabile are both from a 2001 sowing of 'Tilebarn Nicholas'. One is much bigger. The leaves of the smaller one are nearer to 'T. Nicholas'
The graecums were sown in 2003/04 from CSE seed from collected plants. The white one is older and was bought as a pant.
Cyclamen hederifolium ssp crassifolium is from Cyclamen Society seed ex PN99/151 from Zakythnos. I got a good germination but one plant was bigger and faster growing than the others. Its leaves are not very interesting I sold one or two at a discussion weekend and still have a few. The others are not yet in leaf.
I usually water from the top. It is not ideal but I grow so many plants in my greenhouse I find it difficult to give everything ideal conditions. I might not lose so many young Cyclamen if I was more careful with watering. It is survival of the fittest
Roma many thanks for taking the time and trouble for such a detailed reply.
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Carolyn, the Cyclamen mirabile/cilicium was from the 2014/15 seed exchange. It was definitely labelled niveum. I was suspicious when I got a flower last year (it was pink) because I usually find Cyclamen mirabile takes a few years to flower.
Roma, thank you for your reply. Here are some of my cyclamen from the seedex. The first photo is also from 2014-15 and is supposed to be from C. mirabile Tilebarn Nicholas. The plants in the smaller pots may well be mirabile - they have not flowered yet - but I think the one in the larger pot is hederifolium. The flowers looked like hederifolium, with their distinctive auricles and the leaves too. Nice silver colour as well, so I don't mind if it's not mirabile![attachimg=1]
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[attachimg=1]My final pic is from the 2012-13 seedex and is C. mirabile - but the 2 flowers are quite different - the lobes on the pink one are fairly rounded, the white ones are pointed, a bit like intaminatum but bigger.
Confirmation of ID welcome, please.
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Hi Carolyn,
Your post prompted me to go and pick (!) a flower of each species I have flowering today, except purparescens and rohlfsianum, (too precious) and try to make a clear picture of them next to each other. I had a bit of a do with- empty battery on camera, empty battery on phone and eventually no light any more when using Ipad but here are some (bad) pics of all of them next to each other.
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Comparison of flowers of Cyclamen species october 2018
and a detail of cilicium, mirabile and intaminatum:
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Going by what I grow and what your pictures show, I would say the silver large one is hederifolium without doubt. The smaller silver one probably as well; the reddish one mirabile; the other two too early to tell but maybe cilicium.
second pic: both mirabile because of the flower in the first pic, the leaf in the second pic;
3rd pic: pink one is cilicium, white one cilicium album but not entirely sure.
I am naming them as a bit of an excersise, I may well be wrong because there is so much variation! In an earlier post I expressed my dismay with losing labels and ending up with a lot of nice plants but with no- or doubtful id. In a sense that renders them unfit for the seedex, which is a real pity because some are really nice. I have trouble with the graecum/maritimum split, but I might work it out this season and offer seeds other than 'graecum' next seedex. I hope some other people will have a go at identifying your plants!
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Thanks, Bart, that's really useful to see all the different flowers side by side. I really appreciate you picking your precious flowers for the photo! I think lots of growers will find this useful.
It's always exciting to see which cyclamen you get from the seedex - I have obviously got a mix of hederifolium and mirabile from one packet. I am hoping, eventually, to try planting some mirabile out in the garden, maybe sheltered under an evergreen shrub. Has anyone had success with this species in the UK?
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danke bart, das bild ist sehr interessant
ich werde nächstes jahr eines machen mit verschiedenen purpurascensblüten
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Yes Bart, this comparison is very interesting, thank you.
what I like is when the cyclamen is naturalized in the garden, they sow by themselves:
here are my mothers with their little ones.
However, spontaneous seedlings are very long to arrive at flowering: none yet to flower. I would like more color than white for C hederifolia. are they not too tight?
I have 3 species so that naturalizes in the garden
C. hederifolia, C. cilicium, and the coum, which scatters much more and prefers the lawn.
are there other species that would do so in zone 7?
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natürlich purpurascens ;)veronique
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Veronique,
You might try intaminatum too - but you need to plant it where you can admire it easily close up, it's very small! I grow it under a beech tree, where it is fairly dry in summer and it has started to seed around. It is mixed in with coum and extends the flowering season. The 2 species co-exist quite happily (so far!).
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what I like is when the cyclamen is naturalized in the garden, they sow by themselves:
That´s what I like, too. Here´s a chance seedling of C. hederifolium which chose it´s place well.
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as soon as I find Cyclamen intaminatum, I try it too .. small, I like it, even if it is necessary to put on 4 legs: it is one of my ridiculous pace that I take in the garden. I am often teased.
from seeds, how many years does it take for the first flower?
the little ones are very long to grow, it seems to me. at the same time I do not use fertilizer because I find that it weakens the plants. (rotting, freezing) and to protect the rhizosphere.
your Cyclamen hederefolium is beautiful between apples! a very nice garden scene
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as soon as I find Cyclamen intaminatum, I try it too .. small, I like it, even if it is necessary to put on 4 legs: it is one of my ridiculous pace that I take in the garden. I am often teased.
from seeds, how many years does it take for the first flower?
the little ones are very long to grow, it seems to me. at the same time I do not use fertilizer because I find that it weakens the plants. (rotting, freezing) and to protect the rhizosphere.
your Cyclamen hederefolium is beautiful between apples! a very nice garden scene
Veronique, you might get some flowers on intaminatum in its second season, but certainly in the third season. I was surprised this week to see a flower bud in a pot of intaminatum which I sowed on 21st Jan 2018. I sowed about 20 seeds (from the Seed Exchange) and by May I had 13 seedlings. I used the "Reading method" for germination, which speeds things up a lot. I am not sure that all the seedlings in this pot are intaminatum - the leaves are quite varied - but the flower bud looks correct so far....
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@ Veronique: Thank You, the leaves of Cyclamen hederifolium are a great asset to my garden in autumn and winter, I think. This is C. hederifolium ´Fairy Rings´with leaves of our sweet cherry.
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Lovely photo, Mariette.
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after research I found here for the Reading method:
soak seeds 1 day in warm water with a drop of dishwashing liquid
sow on earth + sand (surface or covered?)
maintain at between 14 and 17 ° for a month in the dark.
when seedling, put back to light in the cold greenhouse?
I forget nothing ?
if the seeds germinate in 1 month then it motivates me to sow C. intaminatum, purpurescens and hederedolia ( Mariette, your C. hederifolium 'Fairy Rings' is very beautiful, but does it bloom white?) : I do not know why, but all the C. hederefolium I get are white (bought in the shops, association exchanges, sowing, etc.), I dream of one that is very purple!
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That's correct, Veronique. I do not cover the seeds (but they are placed in a plastic bag, to stop them from drying out) and then I can see when they are germinating. Once they have started to germinate, I cover them carefully with some potting mix and top them with grit and they spend the winter in the unheated greenhouse. I would check hederifolium after 3 weeks - it can start to germinate as soon as this. The Reading Method does not seem to work for purpurascens - it germinates in late spring for me.
For my own seed, I tend to sow in September, but it works well in January too, with seed from the Seed Excchange.
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I can already try with mine.
are the seeds to be harvested how long after flowering? it seems to me that they are stolen by the ants ...
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You harvest them in summer, when the seed capsules become soft to touch. Keep checking them from early in July. The seeds will be honey coloured at this stage. If you leave them till the capsules burst open, that's when the ants take them (the seeds become darker brown by then). But the unripe seeds can also be stolen by mice or voles, so it is not easy.... You could try tying a net bag over the seed capsule to protect it.
Cyclamen seeds are ripe in July/August, some species are ready before others.
Are you a member of the SRGC? If not, it is worth joining for the seed exchange as there are always lots of cyclamen seeds on the list. e-membership is very cheap and good value, I think it's £11 for a year (correct me if I'm wrong, Maggi).
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yes i am at the srgc :)
and I intend to order cyclamen intaminatum, but it will probably be for the 2nd choice,
because this year I have ga3 to treat my seeds. First choice I intend to order again the seedlings that keep me in check (Trillium, Clematis, Viola, Aconitum ..) to treat all my seeds at the same time.
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Here is my C. intaminatum fully opened now. Nine months from seed to flower. Very pleasing!
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and very motivating! ;)
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And then you plant them out into the open garden, and this happens:
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Oh dear, mice/voles? Or pheasants? (I have trouble with all of them)
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Cyclamen purpurascens
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This was a kind gift from Hans Joschko in 2017, Cyclamen purpurascens forma album. Having read Chris Grey-Wilson's book though this might just qualify as forma carmineolineatum ("flowers white with a narrow carmine zone around the mouth, extending upwards a little along the veins")
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david, very nice
c. p. plain leaf
green ice
very pink
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wild seedling from alba
big carmineolineatum
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pale pink
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Raz (Razvan Chisu) is leading a trip to Greece right now - I could not resist showing his photo of Cyclamen graecum leaves that he has shown on social media....
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Raz commented :
"When you visit tiny areas like these and find such an amazing variety, you fully understand the concept of biodiversity hotspot. In just over 2 acres there are thousands of Cyclamen graecum plants, virtually all different.
Notice the 10 pence coin by the side of the largest leaf on the right lower corner.
I always find Cyclamen foliage much more exciting than the flowers.
Another highlight of the Alpine Garden Society tour to the Peloponnese."
Just to show you how big that largest leaf is , here is Raz' pic of it on his hand....
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Lovely to ser such diversity
Is it possible to make a plant flower with very small flowers due to stress?
I bought some bulbs that I placed on sand and watered irregular. I or the cats managed to place some of cyclamen bulbs upside down. One day when I looked at the box I saw what was actually a flower coming from the back side of the bulb corm. The length of the stalk was 4 cm and the flower size was 5mm in diameter and the height of the flower was 7 mm.
I thought I got a nice unusual mini cyclamen but when looking at the label it was Cyclamen Neapolitanum so a normal sized cyclamen.
Could I expect that when I planted it properly in the ground and it will flower next time it will still be so small? Or was it just a result of the plant thought it would die?
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Yes, my experience is that you get small and/or oddly formed flowers on stressed or very young corms. I think it is most notable on C. intaminatum, C.cilicium and C. hederifolium. In a grey past I posted a picture of a tiny cilicium, I'll see if I can find it...
In subsequent years, if the plant is happy, normal sized flowers appear.
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This was a kind gift from HansJ. in 2017, Cyclamen purpurascens forma album. Having read Chris Grey-Wilson's book though this might just qualify as forma carmineolineatum ("flowers white with a narrow carmine zone around the mouth, extending upwards a little along the veins")
HansJ has now been able to put me right as far as C. p. f. carmineolineatum is concerned and the plant I showed is indeed f. album. Hans posted some interesting pictures here http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14720.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14720.0)
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How are You with no solid winters doing with winter coverage?
I am thinking those that get -10C to -15C without snow.
In our summerhouse we have cyc hed under a beech so it gets the foliage from that as well as often a branch of pine to protect from sun and deer. Here in the city I have them under/ beside a magnolia.
The cyc purp are under and the cyc hed are more to the side.
I follow Ians advice and clear the foliage/leafs since it is here wetter and risk of rot. Should I also get a branch of pine as frost protection and possibly sun protection? No need to protect from deers in the city. ::) The flowers was partially bent below the magnolia foliage so hence is lying down.
I also have a cyc grecum in a pot and plan to have this in my parents glassed frost free room. is that a good idea?
I add photos of my cyc purp in habitat and the two plants. Nice as there is different foliage also on cyc purpur and that was new to me here in Sweden so happy to have bought them on plant sale this autumn.
I also got a big cyc hed and a silver leafed one. The more normal foliage is on a plant taken from the summerhouse that has survived some years in a pot before it got in the ground
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Hi Joakim -
Cyclamen hederifolium, coum, and purpurascens grow in my garden without any protection, and have done well down to about -10 C (that’s the coldest it gets here, and only for a few days at a time.) When it’s very cold, the leaves are dull and flop to the ground. When it warms up, they pop back up and resume their normal appearance.
I grow my C. graecum inside my house in a sunny window year round, and haven’t tried it outside. Your plan for a frost free room sounds good to me.
Best of luck, and I hope someone can say how they’ve done in colder temperatures.
Kelly
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purpurascens MINUS 20 no problem
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Cyclamen purpurasense even at -35C is hardy here but not hederifolium
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but u have snow
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Thanks a lot for the input
Any more hardy cyclamen that works and I could test from seeds apart from the 3 above?
Just joined the cyclamen society and SRGC so hope to have some seeds to play with.
I thought more would be hardy than just these 3 ::)
The seeding will have to be in sown in situ as I am not so good in taking care of my pots.
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Hey Joakim —
I’m growing Cyclamen cilicium as well, and am planning to grow C. repandum, C. mirabile, and C. alpinum. But I don’t have personal experience with low temperatures yet with those.
You might find this article helpful, from the curator of a botanical garden near me:
https://www.pacifichorticulture.org/articles/cyclamen-for-winter-and-spring/ (https://www.pacifichorticulture.org/articles/cyclamen-for-winter-and-spring/)
(We are US zone 8 here; I would guess you’re in zone 7, for the hardiness indications in the article.)
Hope that helps a bit,
Kelly
PS My climate has a rainy autumn through spring, but very dry summers.
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Two photos of Cyclamen hederifolium leaves, from Kirsten Andersen on FB.
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Kirsten comments that " Cyclamen Hederifolium, one of my favorites! Now it's over with flowering in the garden, but the leaves are so amazing different and are there until spring" and that these are " Cyclamen hederifolium leaves, picked in the garden today. New forms arise all the time!"
http://www.alpines.dk (http://www.alpines.dk)
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Yes Bart, this comparison is very interesting, thank you.
what I like is when the cyclamen is naturalized in the garden, they sow by themselves:
here are my mothers with their little ones.
However, spontaneous seedlings are very long to arrive at flowering: none yet to flower. I would like more color than white for C hederifolia. are they not too tight?
I have 3 species so that naturalizes in the garden
C. hederifolia, C. cilicium, and the coum, which scatters much more and prefers the lawn.
are there other species that would do so in zone 7?
Hello,
We grow 21 of the 24 species in our Cyclamen garden, south facing, 12 m x 3 m. Also species like C. creticum, C. graecum. We have young plants from C. pseudibercium, C. intaminatum, C. alpinum and more. Some get some protection in the winter.
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Maggi, many thanks for showing us the Cyclamen leaves from Kirstens
Paradise garden.
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My pleasure, Rudi!
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Hey Joakim —
I’m growing Cyclamen cilicium as well, and am planning to grow C. repandum, C. mirabile, and C. alpinum. But I don’t have personal experience with low temperatures yet with those.
You might find this article helpful, from the curator of a botanical garden near me:
https://www.pacifichorticulture.org/articles/cyclamen-for-winter-and-spring/ (https://www.pacifichorticulture.org/articles/cyclamen-for-winter-and-spring/)
(We are US zone 8 here; I would guess you’re in zone 7, for the hardiness indications in the article.)
Hope that helps a bit,
Kelly
PS My climate has a rainy autumn through spring, but very dry summers.
I have earlier thought of these as potentially hardy but I then saw a list of hardy cyclamen in Germany and then the alpinum, repandum and mirabilie was not stated as hardy. Maybe they are not hardy in the highest mountains in Germany but are they hardy in northern or central Germany?
Gert-Jan in Belgium grows a lot but I might have slightly colder winters and summers.
Gert-Jan what kind of cover do they get? Upside down bucket o a Polytunnel of some sort or just a pine branch? Would be interesting to know
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Hello, the place where the Cyclamen grow is a sheltered place, between two houses. It get Sunshine all day, is south facing. During the last winters since 2010, we had temperatures upto -15/-18. C. graecum get a glass door of and old shower to protect them from to much water and cold. The rest gets a blanket of fleece. The best is of course snow. But that gives other problems. Without problems we grow C. persicum, C. libanoticum, C. mirabile, C. maritiumum and other 2 C. graecum.
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Cyclamen Society seed arrived today - not requested any for a number of years - received all the ones I requested so very happy :)
Just need to get them sown now
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Thanks for the description of your covering Gert-Jan
I must admit that I also plan to order from CSE but I do not understand how they want the form sent.
Should it just be filled in and placed in an envelope with a stamp. That is for non UK members that is?
Kind regards
Joakim
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Facebook Post by Arthur Nicholls
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The Cyclamen Society
Happy to report that we have resolved the problems with our PayPal account.
You can use PayPal for Membership, purchase of Publications and Seeds.
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has anybody a plant or picture from, c. hederifolium pjn 014 01 from lakka paxos ssp. crassifolium? ?
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Facebook Post by Arthur Nicholls
re:
The Cyclamen Society
Happy to report that we have resolved the problems with our PayPal account.
You can use PayPal for Membership, purchase of Publications and Seeds.
Can I assume that Arthur knows there are significant numbers of members of the Cyclamen Society who are members of SRGC and this Forum and who, like me, would never, ever, deem to be members of the collective ‘Facetwit’?
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I only plan to order my free allotment so presume I do not need to pay as a European member.
I think Arthur is active here as well. At least he used to be active here too.
I think he is art600 or similar.
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Can I assume that Arthur knows there are significant numbers of members of the Cyclamen Society who are members of SRGC and this Forum and who, like me, would never, ever, deem to be members of the collective ‘Facetwit’?
Yes.
And I think we can also assume that a significant number of plant societies (including SRGC) have Facebook pages or Facebook public groups! Just an additional way to interact with members, or potential members, of said societies. But obviously it's not to everyone's taste.
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has anybody a plant or picture from, c. hederifolium pjn 014 01 from lakka paxos ssp. crassifolium? ?
I was the person who collected the seed. I sowed some myself and gave some to friends and the remainder went to Jan bravenboer where I suspect you got yours. The resulting plants are variable but definitely ssp crassifolium
I have 4 plants in my greenhouse although I haven't photographed them.
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Thanks for the description of your covering Gert-Jan
I must admit that I also plan to order from CSE but I do not understand how they want the form sent.
Should it just be filled in and placed in an envelope with a stamp. That is for non UK members that is?
Kind regards
Joakim
Joakim
Would recommend that you email the Seed Manager, Roy Skidmore, with your requests. Make sure you include your Membership number.
Roy will send you a PayPal invoice for any quantities above your free allocation.
CSE seedlist will soon be available.
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Can I assume that Arthur knows there are significant numbers of members of the Cyclamen Society who are members of SRGC and this Forum and who, like me, would never, ever, deem to be members of the collective ‘Facetwit’?
David
If you use FaceBook sensibly you would then be able to access The Cyclamen Society page. Lots of good info from people who have not yet seen the light and joined SRGC.
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I was the person who collected the seed. I sowed some myself and gave some to friends and the remainder went to Jan bravenboer where I suspect you got yours. The resulting plants are variable but definitely ssp crassifolium
I have 4 plants in my greenhouse although I haven't photographed them.
I have now photographed 2 of my plants.
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David
If you use FaceBook sensibly you would then be able to access The Cyclamen Society page. Lots of good info from people who have not yet seen the light and joined SRGC.
Sorry Arthur it wasn’t my intention to have a go at you personally. I do regard the whole philosophy surrounding Facetwit as asinine, each to his own as the saying goes.
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I have now photographed 2 of my plants.
yes, i have this crassifolium from jan br
thank u
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What a range of foliage - quite fascinating
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Flowering since about a week
Cyclamen persicum var. autumnale
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Gerd
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I have seen lots of lovely cyclamen pictures here.
Can anyone please tell me how to fertilize them to get many flowers
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Lovely foliage! First the look the same but a careful look all the difference and color patterns are seen and then even more differences in the reverse colors
Do they really grow at the mountains?
I thought they would grow in forest!?
The mountains are very nice and the Alps I presume
Art I contacted the seed manager so hopefully I get In contact with him.
I will also check out CS on FB even if FB is a lot less organized compared to how I remembered it.
I get happy seeing the foliage I have in the garden so lovely to see it in the wild
By the way is hardy cyclamen used to decorate graves? C persicum are used as decoration in pots in Sweden before the frost takes them. I think hardy would be smart so wonder if they exist in cemeteries in the UK or in Europe? I have seem some Scilla and snowdrops run wild in some cemeteries and it makes them look nicer I think. Wild cyclamen in different foliage would be lovely in the hedges at the cemetery.
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the cyc are in the forest, but the alps are not far away
overnight winter :o
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yes purpurascens,coum, hederifolium are beautiful on the cemeteries
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great foilage stone, I will go for hunt next weekend myself for coum.
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oh nice
my friend hunting for pigs there
i hope i see picture from your coums, there are other cyc.? Hederifolium sure, sry my englisch is an accident,
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the Cyclamum coum with first flowers and a surprise: in open ground many Cyclamum seedlings
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oh nice
my friend hunting for pigs there
i hope i see picture from your coums, there are other cyc.? Hederifolium sure, sry my englisch is an accident,
where I live there is no hederifolium, they are at the west side of the country. but there are coum, and I hope to find some intaminatum
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Stone, what a wonderful variety in C.purpurascens leaves!
I have only one small plant of C.purpurascens, grown from seed exchange seeds 2014, and it flowered this July for the first time.
Now there is a small seed pod, but it was still green when the cold weather came a week ago. I'm new to Cyclamen, is it so that the seeds mature only the next summer after flowering or should those seeds have been ripen already this autumn? How hardy are the developing seedpods? We have no snow yet, and the ground is frozen now. I covered the small plant with the seed pod with dry oak leaves to protect from cold.
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I'm new to Cyclamen, is it so that the seeds mature only the next summer after flowering or should those seeds have been ripen already this autumn? How hardy are the developing seedpods? We have no snow yet, and the ground is frozen now. I covered the small plant with the seed pod with dry oak leaves to protect from cold.
Leena, seedpods from flowers pollinated this summer will slowly develop and won't be ready for harvest until next year, with pods fully ripe from early summer.
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Stone, what a wonderful variety in C.purpurascens leaves!
I have only one small plant of C.purpurascens,
if you want, i can send some 2 u
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Leena, seedpods from flowers pollinated this summer will slowly develop and won't be ready for harvest until next year, with pods fully ripe from early summer.
Thank you! Do you think the developing seed pods are hardy also to freezing temperatures without snowcover?
Though just today we got the first snow, so that will also protect them.
if you want, i can send some 2 u
Thank you so much, stone, I would love that, or perhaps some seeds next summer. :)
Here is a picture of my small plants a month ago. The developing seed pod was under the leaves when I took the picture, I only noticed it later.
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Thank you! Do you think the developing seed pods are hardy also to freezing temperatures without snowcover?
Though just today we got the first snow, so that will also protect them.
Well, I think your winters are generally more severe than those purpurascens experience in their natural range and I'm not sure how freeze resistant their seedpods are. It certainly wouldn't do any harm to cover the developing seed pods to protect against really penetrating frosts and icy periods.
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but they need light to grow, if the leaves are covered this is not good
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Hmm, I already covered them with dry oak leaves, and now there is about 3cm snow above them. Of course I always take the leaves off in the spring, they are just to protect the plants from cold. Next night is going to be quite cold, but maybe I will remove some of the leaves after that and pile more snow on top of them.
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These strange Cyclamen cultivars as houseplants were shown at a fair in Japan. The pictures were shared on Facebook by Motomu Nagaoka, a director of Flower Auction Japan Inc.
It's hard to credit some of these are even Cyclamen at all!
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Is this possible with selective breeding?
and what species would this be?
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I think they must be the result of selective breeding, Arda. The species used will be C. persicum, I suppose, as with other florists' cyclamen.
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so persicum has very high potential.
Japanese people are obsessed with the things they are into. I am not suprised these come from them
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so persicum has very high potential.
Japanese people are obsessed with the things they are into. I am not suprised these come from them
Yes indeed - look at the huge range they have achieved with Hepaticas.
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These strange Cyclamen cultivars as houseplants were shown at a fair in Japan...It's hard to credit some of these are even Cyclamen at all!
Amazing. Although I'm struggling to warm to them!
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I know what you mean, Steve - they are a tad odd!
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I've just got back from a weekend in Amsterdam and saw these for sale in the Botanic Garden...
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I've just got back from a weekend in Amsterdam and saw these for sale in the Botanic Garden...
Hi Gail,
I'm surprised they didn't call it "Fan Dancer" .... But that name was probably already used ;D
cheers
fermi
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Merengue - great name - I can almost hear the accordion in the background!! Not my style of flower - but a darn good buy as a house plant for less than 3 Euros. isn't it?
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Definitely all tastes catered for in Amsterdam!
I wasn't tempted by the 'Merengue' (despite the fact that at least 80% of my SRGC & AGS seed requests this year are for cyclamen) but I did buy a good sized root of the Itoh hybrid peony 'First Arrival' and the extremely flamboyant hippeastrum cultivar 'Tres Chic' and still had change from a €10 note.
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Some fun cyclamen persicum hybrids there.
I went to the wrong site when going to the cyclamen society so found cyclamen.com
On the first page is a strange one called pipocas
I think that is popcorn in Portuguese
If you like strange ones they have some, but also nice bitones
We have a warm spell at the moment but there is risk for frost and I plan to put pine branches on top of my plantings both as a protection from frost and from cats as they do not like to walk on the pine branches.
Is the cyclamen in need of the winter sun (not much of that) so can not be covered? I have C. hed and C. purp but planned to give the pine branch as cover!
Happy for any input
Joakim
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purpurascens like a little wintersun, when its not strong frozen
a rare one like a hedera
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purpurascens like a little wintersun, when its not strong frozen
a rare one like a hedera
This type a variegation on Cyclamen is indeed rare, I wouldn't have guess it was Cyclamen leaf.
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Interesting new forms of Cyclamen from Japan Maggi.
They are quite popular as house plants here as well and very affordable (like all mass produced plants). I also noticed a new offering similar with the Merengue, but not quite as frilly.
I like more the 'traditional' forms like this little one, also fragrant; my favourite this year.
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I bought this one a few weeks ago at a garden centre. It is a small one called 'Victoria Deco'. It's quite pretty and not too far away from normal cyclamen shape. There used to be a large cultivar called 'Victoria' with similar colouring and frilled edges to the petals.[attachimg=1]
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purpurascens like a little wintersun, when its not strong frozen
a rare one like a hedera
Really a gem, stone!
This Cyclamen hederifolium seedling develops pink leaf- centers when the temperature falls.
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This Cyclamen hederifolium seedling develops pink leaf- centers when the temperature falls.
second picture is very nice :)
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Very nice plants everyone, and the leaves in stone's and Mariette's Cyclamen are beautiful, they look so different!
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A friend has just emailed this image with the query virus or thrip damage?
My somewhat flippant thought was chicken pox. Any more sensible suggestions?
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I'd guess thrip damage.
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Cyclamen elegans
C. coum 'adjaricum'
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Your C. elegans appears to be really large-flowered, Ashley! Mine, raised from seed ex Iran, has flowers the size of an average C. coum.
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C. coum[/i] 'adjaricum'
From "Cyclamen A guide for Gardeners, Horticulturalists and Botanists", Grey-Wilson (Timber Press 2002) in reference to Cyclamen coum ssp. caucasicum
'.....In the Caucasus a medley of different forms exist sometimes side by side but also as discrete colonies, and botanists working in the region have described many species in this complex, though few would uphold these today as distinct elements; the synonyms include C. adZHharicum,
C. abschasicum, C. caucasicum, C. cicassicum, C. ibericum and C. vernum"
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Yes I've seen that spelling too David, but transliteration between alphabets (presumably from Georgian/Cyrillic in this case) can vary & so both versions are 'out there' ;D
I stuck with adjaricum because that's what the seed came as from a Czech collector.
Your C. elegans appears to be really large-flowered, Ashley! Mine, raised from seed ex Iran, has flowers the size of an average C. coum.
You're right Mariette; this particular plant is unusually large-flowering. It's 2-3 generations removed from collection KV93 received from Kurt Vickery.