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General Subjects => Blogs and Diaries => Topic started by: Hoy on December 16, 2017, 01:55:04 PM
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During the next weeks I will show some pictures from my trip to southern Argentina (and a short visit in Chile). The pictures will not be in chronological order but show some nice views and plants sorted by theme rather than time.
Other fellow travelers and others may contribute as they like, of course!
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I am definitely looking forward to your Travelogue, Trond! Southern South America is on my travel wish list.
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Hope you are not disappointed, GordonT!
Nothofagus forest, Estancia Stag River, Santa Cruz.
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Stag River.
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The forest is dense. Not much else grows here.
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Stag River.
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Open patches in the forest are often covered by Gaultheria and other shrubs - and many flowering plants.
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On a dry moraine - the forest is more open and the trees are much smaller.
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The commonest plant along the river was Gunnera magellanica.
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Nothofagus trees are often infected by mistletoes and fungi.
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Misodendrum oblongifolium(?) - seven different species occur here.
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Patagonian mistletoe - Misodendrum punctulatum
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Darwin's fungus - Cyttaria darwinii
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Looking forward to seeing more images from your South American adventures on the forum Trond, thanks for sharing them here.
Love those gnarled old Nothofagus trees.
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Trond - Fantastic to see shots of Estancia Stag River. This is where Ruth Tweedy summered and luckily (at the time) it held the record as the coldest place in that area. For a long time there was a Pernettya mucronata 'Ruth Tweedy' which presumably was a selection she made from hardy seed. I am very surprised to see such stout Nothofagus antarctica in that picture. Is this habit unique to the area? Does N. pumilio grow nearby?
A friend told me that she once went to Bariloche and it ocassionally had very cold winters.
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Trond,
Thank you so much for sharing the photographs. The first photograph reminds me of Alaska!
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Thanks, Ian!
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I will show pictures from the Bariloche region later. It is correct that the winters can be cold and snowy both at Bariloche and at Stag River.
Regarding N. pumilio it is often found together with N. antarctica and it certainly grows at Stag River also.
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Robert,
It will take a while posting all the pictures!
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More Stag River:
The gate:
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"Weeds" in the pastures:
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Calceolaria uniflora
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Is it so different to your place in Norway Trond ;). What a beautiful leaf the Nothofagus has. I should think Calceolaria uniflora might grow well in parts of Scandinavia - here it always seems to attract aphids and is tricky to keep, but how marvellous to see it growing like that in the wild.
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Tim, you are right! It is so very different and that's one of the main factors I consider when I select a destination.
I have once grown C. uniflora and it did well for several years before it disappeared. I will certainly try again!
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Lago Argentino, the biggest freshwater lake in Argentina. The western parts are fjord-like with glaciers calving in them. The eastern part fills an U-valley and are partly dammed by moraine deposits. The water looks gray due to the huge amount of glacial runoff.
View from Cerro Huiliche (Balcón del Calafate):
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At the shores - Senecio patagonicus
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Hello Trond, great photos. Is it cold there?
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Ian, it is not very cold except for the strong wind. In fact, the temperature during the year is very similar to where I live but it is much drier than at home.
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More shore...
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On the shore
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Junellia tridactylites
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Mulguarea (Junellia) tridens
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Oreopolus glacialis and Alstroemeria patagonica
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Rumex crispissimus, an endemic dock. Much more pretty than its European cousins.
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Nastanthus scapigerus
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Thank you Hoy - very interesting report - I am looking forward to the planned continuations!
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Good stuff Trond, thanks for posting.
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Thanks David!
Some spiny beauties along the roads. Pterocactus and Austrocactus species.
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Berries - Gaultheria spp
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Gaulthera pumila
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Could it be Gaultheria myrtilloides?
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Beautiful gaultheria & pernettya Trond 8)
Is that a lycopod in the first of this latest series?
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Thanks Ashley.
Yes, it is Lycopodium magellanicum.
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Petunia showtime - Petunia magellanica
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It was not just flowers though!
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Ferns too:
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Blechnum penna-marina
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Looks similar to the lichens at home!
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Looks like you are having a good time Trond.
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wonderful pictures, thanks for sharing!
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Looks like you are having a good time Trond.
Yes, I had a good time. But nothing lasts forever so now I am back home!
wonderful pictures, thanks for sharing!
Thanks Mark, you are welcome!
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Some Patagonian inhabitants:
This brown caterpillar were everywhere and devoured every plant you can imagine!
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black-faced ibis (Theristicus melanopis)
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You take a very good photograph Trond.
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You take a very good photograph Trond.
Thank you David. Sometimes the automatic focus override my decisions though :(
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Thank you Trond wonderful pictures and it was lovely to see little Blechnum penna marina thriving in those conditions.
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Thank you Trond wonderful pictures and it was lovely to see little Blechnum penna marina thriving in those conditions.
Thank you, Shelag. Blechnum penna-marina was very abundant and thriving especially in moist forests.
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Some Ranunculaceae
Anemone multifida. An ubiquitous plant growing in woodland, steppes, mountains, sun, shade . . .
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Caltha. Prefer moist sites where the snow lingers.
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Ranunculus peduncularis also very variable.
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The ones close to Copahue were especially fat. Maybe polyploids?
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The queen: Ranunculus semivericillatus.
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Through the snow
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When the snow melts . . . .
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Lovely pictures. I especially covet the Petunia patagonica. Sounds like you had a good time and saw lots of stuff.
Did you travel with a group? I ask because friends just got back from a trip to Patagonia with Ger Van den Beuken. I wondered if you were on the same trip.
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Lovely pictures. I especially covet the Petunia patagonica. Sounds like you had a good time and saw lots of stuff.
Did you travel with a group? I ask because friends just got back from a trip to Patagonia with Ger Van den Beuken. I wondered if you were on the same trip.
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Thanks Jan.
Yes I travelled with Ger's group. We were a nice bunch of people from many countries!
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Roads. . .
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Ourisia fragrans with fragrance! ...and variable color. A rock dweller but always in crevices.
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Hi Trond,
I liked the "roads"! 8) Very impressive scenery!
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Hi Trond,
I liked the "roads"! 8) Very impressive scenery!
Robert,
More scenery to come later ;)
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Some foreigners which seemingly intend to stay and possibly take over . . . .
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The commonest weed was European dandelions! Taraxacum spp
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Common broom along the roads . . . .Cytisus scoparius
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Oenothera odorata
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Lupinus arboreus
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Californian poppy Eschscholzia californica
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Ourisia fragrans with fragrance! ...and variable color. A rock dweller but always in crevices.
Wonderful colour range 8)
Did the fragrance vary too?
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Wonderful colour range 8)
Did the fragrance vary too?
I can't remember variation in fragrance but my nose is not that fine tuned.
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Patagonian cushions - not for your buttocks but for your pleasure!
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Adesmia ameghinoi
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Senecio miser
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Junellia azorelloides or patagonica
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Hoy, do you know what this latest batch are? I was wondering what the Oxalis were, especially the first one. Also I assume the unnamed Calceolaria was tenella?
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I can't remember variation in fragrance but my nose is not that fine tuned.
Thanks Trond; same here. I only asked because I often forget to check unfamiliar plants for scent. Nor have I ever come across information about scent variation (intensity but also balance of chemicals) within rather than between species.
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Hoy, do you know what this latest batch are? I was wondering what the Oxalis were, especially the first one. Also I assume the unnamed Calceolaria was tenella?
Mark, I have put names to the pictures now. Took a bit of time. I prefer to get the pictures in place before I name them.
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ah ok Hoy, many thanks!
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Not a plant but more colors than many:
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Where birds rest. . . Sierra de los Baguales, Chile
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Great report Trond! Stunning scenery, beautiful plants, lichens, wildlife - the whole picture! You must be very happy about this trip :)
Looking fwd to see more.
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Trond,
hopefully one day I'll be able to grow some of these in my rock garden/ wild steppe garden. Climate wise I shouldn't have any difficulties however getting the plants is totally a different matter! Many grow no more than five minutes away from home. I could try with cuttings for Junellia but Anarthrophyllums will have to be from seed. Some of Marcela Ferreyra's students at the university are trying to bring Anarthrophyllum and Junellia into cultivation. I'm very happy with your report since it draws attention to the incredible specialized flora of this part of the world.
One of your pics that show Junellia also shows a few yellow flowered fabaceae (?) an Adesmia perhaps? (Attachment Link)
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Hi Arturo,
Yes you should be able to grow almost every plant I have shown!
A lot of the species grow rather close to Bariloche but others are far away. Argentina is a BIG country! I am sure a nursery could do well propagating and selling native plants. I buy plants even from Japan. Also seeds would be welcome.
Yes it is an Adesmia but I am not sure which one. Martin Sheader: A. villosa It is also an Ephedra (frustillata? confirmed by Sheade) there.
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Trond,
Cytisus scoparius is a major invasive species in California.
I do not quite understand. Eschscholzia californica is an invasive weed in Patagonia?
I keep seeing scenes of high snow capped peaks in some of the photographs. Did you ever visit the higher elevations?
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Robert, E.californica has taken over only very heavily altered landscape: ie road embankments, not more than 1000 mts from where I live. However it isn't that easy to self sow anywhere. It only thrives when the upper topsoil has been removed. Whether it is invasive is a different question and even if it is invasive which I doubt it is. Every now and then something alien shows around in those types of altered situations. However what is quite a nuissance is Cytisus scoparius because it appears uninvited in my farm and the range is expanding. The same goes for some garden escapees of Lupinus. Lupinus arboreus which is now in bloom again is restricted in very altered soil situations , it can grow a few meters way from a patch of E.californica.
The restriction of the above is given by the amazing wet/dry cline and alien species appear only in a fairly restricted band west-east wise. The western end of Nahuel Huapi may reach an annual precipitation of more than 4000 mm while the eastern end won't surpass 600 mm. My place is about 800 mm average. E.californica only appears on the eastern side of the town of Bariloche which has about 1000 mm. Cytisus scoparius yes appears everywhere!
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Great report Trond! Stunning scenery, beautiful plants, lichens, wildlife - the whole picture! You must be very happy about this trip :)
Looking fwd to see more.
Thank you, Gabriela. So far I have been happy with all my trips and this one is no exception :)
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Robert,
Arturo has answered your question but I can add that we did see a lot of Eschscholtzia along the Chimehuin river (if I remember correctly). It covered vast areas both close to the river and also higher up in the hills.
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Hi Trond & Arturo,
The adesmia in the junellia image is Adesmia villosa and the ephedra E. frustillata. Great set of images Trond.
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Hi Trond & Arturo,
The adesmia in the junellia image is Adesmia villosa and the ephedra E. frustillata. Great set of images Trond.
Hi Martin, thank you for the names!
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Violets with variation.
Violet habitat: Volcano Copahue
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At least 3 very similar yellow "normal" species of Viola occur in Patagonia.
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The other species I show are rosulate. Some are very similar and hybrids exist. I have tried to name some.
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Trond, great Viola photos.
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Hello, Hoy.
My todays favorites of your pictures are a Viola volcanica (the symmetrical arrangement of the blossoms in the second picture is brilliant)... and Viola tectiflora (the foliage is like from another star). Here one sees it again... the nature is the best designer.
One can describe all shown pictures of this trip with only one word... breathtaking.
Many thanks for it...
Thomas
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Hi Trond, I was trying to identify non flowering plant just above the Viola trochlearis pic. Could it be Calandrinia affinis?
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/quote] Finding out what grows together is part of the fun even if it is only armchair mountain botanizing in my case... ;D
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Absolutely stunning pictures with Viola species Trond 8)
You must held your emotions well, when I stumble upon something very beautiful I take the worse photographs.
Given the region, a wild guess for the yellow one is V. reichei. When Richard started to post his pictures I took out the books bought when in Santiago and I read following the pictures :)
Highly recommend them - Flora Nativa de valor ornamental - 3 vol. by regions of Chile: Paulina Riedemann, Gustavo Aldunate and Sebastian Teillier.
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Trond, great Viola photos.
Thanks Ian!
Hello, Hoy.
My todays favorites of your pictures are a Viola volcanica (the symmetrical arrangement of the blossoms in the second picture is brilliant)... and Viola tectiflora (the foliage is like from another star). Here one sees it again... the nature is the best designer.
One can describe all shown pictures of this trip with only one word... breathtaking.
Many thanks for it...
Thomas
You are welcome Thomas. I does as best as I can.
My favorite is usually the one I have in front of me at the moment! They are all beautiful in different ways.
Hi Trond, I was trying to identify non flowering plant just above the Viola trochlearis pic. Could it be Calandrinia affinis?
Finding out what grows together is part of the fun even if it is only armchair mountain botanizing in my case... ;D
Thank you.
Hi Arturo,
Calandrinia affinis don't grow in the same habitat as trochlearis. The plant is Berberis empetrifolia.
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Absolutely stunning pictures with Viola species Trond 8)
You must held your emotions well, when I stumble upon something very beautiful I take the worse photographs.
Given the region, a wild guess for the yellow one is V. reichei. When Richard started to post his pictures I took out the books bought when in Santiago and I read following the pictures :)
Highly recommend them - Flora Nativa de valor ornamental - 3 vol. by regions of Chile: Paulina Riedemann, Gustavo Aldunate and Sebastian Teillier.
Thank you, Gabriela :)
I usually behave controlled, no big exclamations whatever happens ;D
You are right, the yellow viola can be V. reichei. Other possibilities are maculata and magellanica. I use Martin Sheader's book (Flowers of the Patagonian mountains).
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Trond, my asking is directed in designing what might become the native Patagonian rock garden on my property. Following your :<Yes you should be able to grow almost every plant I have shown! > is trying to figure how many types of sites/habitats should I envision. It is a very long term project however very much worthwhile. At least I don't have to be concerned too much above the general climatic conditions however these do change drastically locally, so there's a lot of research and learning to be done before any such project can bring fruition. If successful then I'll be able to share seeds from my garden. Although Patagonia is a vast region, there is still scanty information about native populations of most of these small plants that in many cases have very low densities restricted to a narrow band alongside the Andes. New species are still being discovered in the most unexpected places! Unfortunately development occurrs much more rapìdly so there's not that much time left to get many of these species onto cultivation.
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Arturo,
your climate should be of least concern living in Bariloche! Most of the plants I have photographed live in very rocky habitat with excellent drainage. So you need a big heap of rocks and sand ;D
And you are right. Development can erase species even before they are described. Rare species can also be harmed by tourists like myself trampling around to get the best picture! I am well aware of that.
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Trond,
Did you ever encounter any of the South American annual Clarkia species? Maybe they grow somewhere else, like Chile. I admit that I know next to nothing about the flora of South America (anywhere!). The scenes from high altitude (your posted photographs) remind be of the crest of the southern Sierra Nevada, especially near Shepherds Pass, California. When I visited Shepherds Pass, I approached it from the east side, the dry Owens Valley. The best I can make of your photographs is that you approached the mountains in the same manner (i.e. from the dry side). I wonder if it is different approaching the mountains from the west, from Chile and how this might be similar to California. Lots of questions!
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Yes Robert, we saw at least one species of Clarkia. I didn't photograph it though (or more accurate, I did try but discarded the pictures!). It was tiny and with few flowers. It also seemed to like steppe conditions.
We were only on the east side of the mountain range and although we were a short trip into Chile we were still on the east side. The transition zone from the mountains to the steppe is narrow, sometimes in just a few miles or shorter. If you travel westwards the steppe changes color from gray-brown-yellow to green and then suddenly trees appear. In the far south the prevailing wind is from west and the precipitation is very low on the east side of the mountains. It is a lot of lakes and rivers but the water is cold and it is little vegetation even close to the shores even only a few miles from the mountains.
Landscape - hope you like mountains!
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Cerro Chaltén - Monte Fitz Roy
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El Chaltén village. Here among the mountains are the valleys covered by Nothofagus forests.
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The sea seen from Puerto Natales, Chile. Forested slopes, we are still at the eastern side of the mountains. The steppe is not far to the east.
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Freshwater lake in Chile. The vegetation is similar. Embothrium coccineum with reddish flowers.
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Lago Amarga. The color of the lakes depend on the amount of particles in the tributaries which in turn depends on the proximity to a glacier and other lakes along the watercourse.
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Laguna Blanca
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Volcano Copahue with black snow due to ash downfall.
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A few miles from the mountains and the forest has given way to steppe
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My word - what views!!
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Trond,
Spectacular scenery!
Now I can understand why you want to visit this region.
From some of your photographs it appears there is much andesite, and one photograph looked like basalt columns, however there appeared to be other geologic formations. Is this true?
Thank you for sharing the spectacular scenery.
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Trond & Robert, now you both know why I chose to move southwest being raised in a large city... :) I'll try to get some pics of my annual native Clarkias flowering just now! If you are interested Robert, I can collect a few seeds of them too. They have taken over the free space between clump forming Agastache foeniculum plants in my prairie garden.
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While Trond may have discarded his pictures of clarkias, I love them and grow quite a few. Here are two pictures of Clarkia tenella growing north of Bariloche. It seems to be very variable. I also saw a red form in Chile and include it here.
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Arturo,
I have my hands full growing California native species. Normally I would say no to your offer, however I have a keen interest in the Genus Clarkia and I would love to grow some of your native Clarkias. So yes, I would be delighted to try some Clarkia from your place.
By-the-way, another forumist kindly showed be some photographs from your area. Stunningly beautiful! 8)
Sometimes I wish that I lived in the High Sierra Nevada, maybe like Yosemite, but that real estate is not available. ;D
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Trond & Robert, now you both know why I chose to move southwest being raised in a large city... :) I'll try to get some pics of my annual native Clarkias flowering just now! If you are interested Robert, I can collect a few seeds of them too. They have taken over the free space between clump forming Agastache foeniculum plants in my prairie garden.
Arturo,
I could be interested in Clarkia seed also! Would like to try them army summer house.
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While Trond may have discarded his pictures of clarkias, I love them and grow quite a few. Here are two pictures of Clarkia tenella growing north of Bariloche. It seems to be very variable. I also saw a red form in Chile and include it here.
Glad you didn't discard yours, Claire. Thanks for showing!
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Some Patagonian Asteracea.
Dandelions, Taraxacum spp are spread across all the world. Many are from Europe. Taraxacum "officinale" was one of the commonest weeds in Patagonia. It is at least one native, T. gilliesii but I suspect it has to be more.
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Taraxacum gillesii.This species is much smaller than T. official and flowers later.
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T. gillesii
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Unknown Taraxacum species. Also much smaller and later flowering.
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Senecio argyreus
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S. argyreus
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Leucheria purpurea
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L. purpurea
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Leucheria leontopodioides?
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Leucheria?
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Leucheria?
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Leucheria
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Perezia recurvata
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Leucheria achilleifolia
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Nardophyllum bryoides
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Senecio subdiscoideus
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Senecio kingii
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Hypochaeris incana
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Hapolopappus?
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Mutisia spinosa
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Erigeron sp
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Erigeron leptopetalus
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Symphyotrichum glabrifolium
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Senecio humifusus
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Hello, Hoy.
I have waited for it quietly. Leucheria... these Species I love particularly. Above all the bright kinds. Fantastically. Thanks.
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Hello Trond, I'l p.m. you as soon as I collected those seeds. Your pics of our Asteraceae are wonderful....so many species to try out! I simply love Asteraceae...
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Hello, Hoy.
I have waited for it quietly. Leucheria... these Species I love particularly. Above all the bright kinds. Fantastically. Thanks.
Yes, the Leucheria are lovely! Didn't find any in seed though :-\
Hello Trond, I'l p.m. you as soon as I collected those seeds. Your pics of our Asteraceae are wonderful....so many species to try out! I simply love Asteraceae...
:)
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Some "ordinary" plants:
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Lago Argentino shore
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Geum magellanicum
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Geum habitat
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Codonorchis lessonii in woodland
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Saxifraga magellanica
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Arenaria serpens
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Acaena magellanica
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Oenothera magellanica or odorata
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Arjona tuberosa
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Phacelia secunda. Very common, especially on dry sand.
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Fasciation
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Another color
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Microsteris gracilis
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Gunnera magellanica on the beach. Common along watercourses.
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Plantago correae
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Xerodraba patagonica
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Bolax caespitosa
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Clinopodium darwinii
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Draba magellanica
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Primula magellanica
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Plantago patagonica
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Nice flowers!
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Hello, Trond.
Wonderfully. I love the shown Primula magellanica particularly. This thick stalk is impressive. These and alba are the only Primula which I like personally.
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Hello, Trond.
Wonderfully. I love the shown Primula magellanica particularly. This thick stalk is impressive. These and alba are the only Primula which I like personally.
Thomas,
Primula magellanica is like a stout brother of Primula Scandinavia which is common here!
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Silene chilensis
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Cerastium arvense, a cosmopolite. Native or foreign? It is everywhere!
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Thlaspi magellanica. (If you don't know the name just use magellanica! ;D
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Geranium sessiliflorum
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Thomas,
Primula magellanica is like a stout brother of Primula Scandinavia which is common here!
A big resemblance really exists. But the thick South American with the mealy stalk remains my favorite. The hairs and proportion of foliage, stalk and blossom are really brilliant.
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Onuris papillosa
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Nassauvia lagascae var globosa
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Baccharis nivalis
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Nanodea muscosa
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Nassauvia magellanica
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Ourisia ruellioides - this plant likes plenty of water!
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Jaborosa reflexa
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Nassauvia sp
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Hamadryas delfinii?
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Myrteola nummularia
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Ranunculus sp + Leucheria purpurea
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Phacelia sp
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Hypochaeris incana
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Clinopodium darwinii
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Nassauvia ameghinoi?
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Sisymbrium magellanicum
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Phacelia sp
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Moschopsis trilobata?
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Diplolepis sp
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Nassauvia sp
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Valeriana macrorhiza
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Collomia linearis
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I discover your report, that's an incredible trip you had!
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I discover your report, that's an incredible trip you had!
Yes. Quite right!
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Hello Trond, a fascinating array of plants from Argentina. Some of those shown look similar to the plants found in europe. Primula scotica also looks similar, perhaps they are variations of the same species.
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Trond, that Ourisia ruelliodes...is a dream for my permanently wet garden corner...that I've yet to build on a possible fairly sharp incline . I was wondering about companion plants. Some ferns such as Adianthum, if lucky Dryopteris quadripinnata, Gunnera magellanica and quite a few Calceolarias and Mimulus that are all moist to wet loving plants. All of these native plus some extras such as Darmera peltata and some other of the kind. All of this could/ought to be recreated in your rainy wet home...
Btw. Collomia is also in bloom right now. Are you interested in those too?.
Thanks enormously for your report!
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Hello Trond, a fascinating array of plants from Argentina. Some of those shown look similar to the plants found in europe. Primula scotica also looks similar, perhaps they are variations of the same species.
Hi Ian,
Yes some plants look similar, some are similar to either European or N American plants, but many are totally different!
Trond, that Ourisia ruelliodes...is a dream for my permanently wet garden corner...that I've yet to build on a possible fairly sharp incline . I was wondering about companion plants. Some ferns such as Adianthum, if lucky Dryopteris quadripinnata, Gunnera magellanica and quite a few Calceolarias and Mimulus that are all moist to wet loving plants. All of these native plus some extras such as Darmera peltata and some other of the kind. All of this could/ought to be recreated in your rainy wet home...
Btw. Collomia is also in bloom right now. Are you interested in those too?.
Thanks enormously for your report!
Arturo,
yes please I would like to try Colombia also! It has a nice color.
If you arable to build a waterfall you can grow many interesting plants! Although Ourisia takes some shade it flowers best in some sun and I think it dislike competition from too big neighbours!
Valeriana macrorhiza is a nice plant for moist sites. Also the Calthas and Euphrasia chrysantha are nice to mention a few.
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Ourisia ruellioides or coccinea
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Draba magellanica
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Nassauvia sp
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Nastanthus patagonicus
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Onuris graminifolia
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Onuris
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Senecio neaei
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Grindelia sp?
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Pozoa coriacea
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Senecio poeppigii?
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Nassauvia sp
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Nassauvia sp
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Valeriana boelckei
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Quinchamalium chilense
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Nassauvia revoluta?
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Ourisia
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Mulinum leptacanthum
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Nassauvia
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Pozoa coriacea
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Jaborosa volkmannii
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Pantacantha ameghinoi
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Argylia bustilosa
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Tropaeolum incisum
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Valeriana fonckii
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Valeriana macrorhiza
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Valeriana philippiana
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Valeriana philippiana
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Draba?
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Hello Trond,
what beautiful things you've shown today.
I am particularly fascinated by this Quinchamalium chilense. A dream... and of course the beautiful Nassauvias. My special thanks for that.
Thomas
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What a place!!
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Oxalis species of Patagonia. 17 species and some hybrids are recorded from this area according to Sheader (2013). Some are close relatives and not always easy to separate - for me anyway!
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Oxalis laciniata
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Oxalis enneaphylla
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Oxalis laciniata
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Oxalis loricata? (few leaflets)
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Are all these Oxalis enneaphylla?
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Oxalis enneaphylla?
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Oxalis laciniata?
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Oxalis adenophylla I think
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Oxalis squamata
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Oxalis nahuelhuapiensis
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Oxalis erythrorhiza
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Hello Trond,
... I have the feeling that you've seen everything you need to see there. The different oxalis are wonderful. I especially like the first picture. The combination with the other plant (senecio skottsbergii??) is great.
But also the different filigree forms of the foliage fascinate me again and again.
Thomas
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Hi Trond,
The photographs of the plants are amazing. 8) Some are so very beautiful! I admit my ignorance of the flora of this region is overwhelming.
I especially liked the last photograph of Oxalis erythrorhiza with the snow capped peaks in the back ground.
Thank you for sharing all of this with us. 8) :)
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Hello Trond,
... I have the feeling that you've seen everything you need to see there. The different oxalis are wonderful. I especially like the first picture. The combination with the other plant (senecio skottsbergii??) is great.
But also the different filigree forms of the foliage fascinate me again and again.
Thomas
Thanks Thomas. It is still much to see though!
Hi Trond,
The photographs of the plants are amazing. 8) Some are so very beautiful! I admit my ignorance of the flora of this region is overwhelming.
I especially liked the last photograph of Oxalis erythrorhiza with the snow capped peaks in the back ground.
Thank you for sharing all of this with us. 8) :)
Thank you Robert!. I have a lot of bad pictures that I don't show, you know!
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Time for some peas!
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Lathyrus cruckshankii
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Adesmia salicornioides
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Adesmia sp
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Adesmia and Fabiana nana
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Adesmia ameghinoi and Petunia patagonica
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Astragalus patagonicus(?)
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Astragalus palenae(?)
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Astragalus sp
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Vicia nigricans
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Lathyrus nervosus
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Senna sp
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Astragalus sp
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Anarthrophyllum strigulipetalum
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Anarthrophyllum subandinum Sorry - wrong name. It is A. burkartii
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In an ocean of Senecio
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Adesmia parvifolia(?)
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Adesmia sp
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Adesmia ameghinoi
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Adesmia ameghinoi
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Adesmia ameghinoi(?)
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Adesmia aphanantha(?)
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Adesmia aphanantha(?)
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Astragalus patagonicus
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Lathyrus nervosus
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Adesmia and Junellia
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Did you stay long enough to collect seeds from the flowers you photographed?
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Did you stay long enough to collect seeds from the flowers you photographed?
No I didn't. It was far to early in the season.
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Trond, a fascinating group of plants, well photographed.
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Trond, a fascinating group of plants, well photographed.
Thanks Ian.
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Trond - An eye-opener as I had never considered there may be other spp. of Anathrophyllum aside from desideratum! It would be interesting to cross the different species to get a range of habits. Not that it would help with their growability or hardiness....
john
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Trond - An eye-opener as I had never considered there may be other spp. of Anathrophyllum aside from desideratum! It would be interesting to cross the different species to get a range of habits. Not that it would help with their growability or hardiness....
john
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Thanks John!
I have to correct a mistake I did though. Anarthrophyllum subandinum is actually A. burkartii. And it should be quite hardy growing above the treeline:
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Also A. desideratum and strigulipetalum grow quite high up in the mountains. Precipitation is more important.
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The peas are great Trond :) I particularly like the Astragalus spp.
I find the Leguminosae are less cultivated in general (regardless of the origin); are people favouring the actinomorphic flowers over the zygomorphic ones? this would be an interesting idea to research.
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are people favouring the actinomorphic flowers over the zygomorphic ones?
I like flowers with faces - like pansies and the adesmias.
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....and perhaps Mimulus? :)
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The peas are great Trond :) I particularly like the Astragalus spp.
I find the Leguminosae are less cultivated in general (regardless of the origin); are people favouring the actinomorphic flowers over the zygomorphic ones? this would be an interesting idea to research.
Thanks Gabriela ;) At school, when I had to collect plants for my herbarium, the pea family was my favorite!
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Some monocots and a monocot lookalike.
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Chlorea magellanica
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Chlorea magellanica
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Gavilleasp (littorea??)
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Gavillea lutea
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Olsynium biflorum
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Olsynium lyckholmii
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Chlorea cylindrostachya
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Chlorea cylindrostachya
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Tristagma sp (patagonicum group)
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Tristagma ameghinoi
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Tristagma nivale
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Tristagma nivale
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Tristagma sp (patagonicum group)
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Rhodophiala mendocina
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Tristagma sp (patagonicum group)
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Chlorea alpina
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Rhodophiala sp
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Rhodophiala andicola
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Rh. andicola
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Rh andicola
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Olsynium frigidum
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Olsynium frigidum
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Calandrina affinis - monocot lookalike!
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Alstroemeria patagonica
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A patagonica
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Olsynium sp
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Olsynium lyckholmii spp patagonicum
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Olsynium biflorum(?)
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Olsynium biflorum
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Alstroemeria patagonica
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Chlorea alpina
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Olsynium junceum
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Olsynium junceum
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Trond, a great group of photos. You must have enjoyed your visit.