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Title: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 23, 2017, 04:41:41 PM
The Iris unguicularis season has been long and they are still flowering prolifically.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Yann on February 25, 2017, 08:26:59 PM
Iris unguicularis is very variable depending of the locus.
Here's a pale blue form.
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Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 26, 2017, 11:30:15 AM
Nice!
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Post by: Lesley Cox on February 26, 2017, 11:30:17 PM
Yes, very nice. That darker colour on the falls is very unusual in fact I've never seen anything like it in unguicularis. Well worth collecting seed if it sets any.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 07, 2017, 05:29:34 PM
Iris unguicularis is very variable depending of the locus.
Here's a pale blue form.

It's probably this one: Iris unguicularis 'Peleponesse Snow'.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on March 10, 2017, 05:15:42 PM
This afternoon an old friend of mine gave me a piece of a white Iris unguicularis that he was given many many years ago by Valerie Finnes. I had a look on various search engines and have found references to I. u. alba, albus and 'ALBUS' and 'ALBA' but haven't seen any for sale at least on UK Sites. In fact the only white that seems to be in cultivation is I. u. 'Peleponesse Snow' which has some blue in it. My friend thinks that in the distant past the plant did have a cultivar name but he isn't certain.

Pictures below and obviously the plant is well past its best. Any information would be welcome.

Perhaps one for you Lesley?
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Yann on March 10, 2017, 05:20:39 PM
Ralph: probably, several clones are on the market with different names.
checking my database, i noted: F&JK 0124 Nomos Ahaia, N Diasolo, GR
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on March 12, 2017, 02:08:51 PM
Nice to have the provenance, Yann.

Here's Iris unguicularis 'Abington Purple'. I. unguicularis is right up there with my top plants if I could only have a few - in flower for six months each year.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 12, 2017, 09:20:54 PM
Yes David, I'm spending too much time with Fb and I'm sorry for that, though I DEEPLY resent your almost comparison with THAT HORRID MAN, in the use of a term "Facetwit." (In my book (ordinary, not Face) twit is the correct term for those who tweet on Twitter.) But enough of that.

I'm flattered that you call on me when there is a question to be answered about irises. The UK and Europe are full of irisarians whose knowledge and experience are far greater than my own.

HOWEVER - We in NZ have several forms of a white Iris unguicularis and all are under the name alba which, qualifying a plant name which is female, would be correct, not albus. I think it would be true to say it is simply a colour form rather than a botanical variety so maybe it should be forma alba or just white form. I have not (here) come across any "named" white form as such. Having said that, it's now almost impossible to say we have ANYTHING at all that is new or improved or in any way different except from seed because of the restrictions we have on importing plant material. Several named forms of the white form are grown here but even the older named purple forms such as 'Mary Barnard' and 'Walter Butt' are in doubt as gradually seed grown plants have been made available (mostly through the NZIS seed pool) but not divisions from the original plants. No doubt the right ones are still in some gardens and with older growers but anything recently available just can't be guaranteed. Once a few gardeners die off, their plant material, once distributed in good faith, becomes part of a sort of uncontrolled merry-go-round as most gardeners, let's face it, are far from meticulous about their naming practices. And after all, gardening is a hobby and a pleasure, not, for most people something to be bound and constricted by rules about this and that.

The white forms we have here do vary to some extent (I once had a form whose falls were wide, almost overlapping each other and of a heavy, brocade-like texture but I left it in a previous garden unfortunately, thinking, way back then that it would be easily replaceable) and the form I have now is quite narrow in the falls and like the one in your photo, tends to be badly damaged by strong wind or heavy rain so it's well worth looking around for better forms and no doubt growing from seed when available. The twice I've grown seed from a white form (listed as) all plants eventually flowered as purples, albeit very good ones.

American breeders of tall bearded irises are generous in sending their seed to NZIS growers and at last year's Convention the Oregon Japanese Iris (ensata) grower/breeder Chad Harris donated seed from his own new and exciting plants for an auction. Good plants will eventuate from this seed but it won't be the original, named varieties that are becoming available throughout the rest of the world. It breaks my heart that we can never have the stunning saxifrages or different eranthis or galanthus varieties or ANYTHING else, only seed from them and in 99 of 100 cases, this is just not available, so you see that I can't tell you anything useful at all about forms or named varieties of the white iris or most other things either.

A couple of wholesalers are still able to bring in plants, usually as tissue culture and I expect they are heavily quarantined before they can be propagated. But each year there are new alstroemerias, new dahlias, new agapanthus or penstemons, all because their species are here already but we never see listed a new SPECIES of anything let alone a new genus. The nursery trade has gone to the dogs altogether because as their owners tell us, they can offer nothing new and it is NEW that people want. I dread the day when our one alpine nursery folds. They talk about it but have so far resisted.

David, I'm sorry this has developed into a long rant and far off your original enquiry. I'd much rather be here than on Fb in general but I still have the photo problems that sent me away in the first place. I used my phone when I was in Europe last Sept and then transferred the photos from there to my laptop and though I had a screen saying the transfer was complete and everything seemed to be OK, I've not since been able to find them. They must be there somewhere but........? Likewise the resized pics, I can't find those once I've done the resizing. You told me earlier that they were in the same place, but they're not. The problem started when my old PC finally died and I bought the laptop. The programmes were different and as you know I'm not technically astute. Now as well, my proper (not phone) camera is disintegrating and I can't at present afford another one.
 
I promised Maggi I'd come here more often than I did last year and I really will but maybe it will be just with text instead of pictures. I can't show you my beautiful figs and a hawk demolishing a rabbit which Roger shot or Leucojum roseum which has 30 flowers at present. Every few days I have another go looking in every place where there could be stored photos and every time I come away frustrated and stressed.

I'd better stop or there will be tears dripping into the keyboard and in any case I have to go into Dunedin for a joint clinic. Very painful to start with but helping now and it may postpone or even avoid the need for knee surgery.

So - I will be here in spirit even if not all the time posting.
Very best,
Lesley
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on March 14, 2017, 07:50:07 PM
Hi Lesley,

Sorry not to have replied earlier (put it down to old age!) and thanks very much for your reply. Regardles of name I'll grow it on, if it was good enough for Valerie Finnes it'll be good enough for me ;)

I'll PM you about your picture problem.

Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: WimB on March 30, 2017, 06:13:35 PM
Iris goniocarpa Edit by Wim: this is Iris henryi
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: WimB on April 06, 2017, 08:55:05 PM
The white flowering form of Iris henryi.
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Post by: WimB on April 09, 2017, 08:10:17 PM
Iris ruthenica var. nana
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on April 09, 2017, 08:23:35 PM
Very pretty both of those Wim. I've just checked with the SIGNA Site and with Brian Mathew's "The Iris" and both show nana as varietal
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: arilnut on April 09, 2017, 10:00:11 PM
Here is my I. henryi

John B
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: WimB on April 10, 2017, 02:43:58 PM
Very pretty both of those Wim. I've just checked with the SIGNA Site and with Brian Mathew's "The Iris" and both show nana as varietal

Yes, it is a variety...I was typing without checking!
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on April 14, 2017, 01:25:34 PM
Iris lactea, one of the first in the open garden.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 15, 2017, 01:02:10 AM
One of my favourites, which, over time has also been called I. hyacinthina and I. ensata, though in no way related to the present I. ensata, the large Japanese iris.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: WimB on May 02, 2017, 06:45:17 PM
Two Pacific Coast Hybrids from seed in flower for the first time this year.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 02, 2017, 11:38:55 PM
Our Otago Iris Group (of NZ Iris Society) had its April meeting 10 days ago with guest speaker Mary Barrell from Cambridge (NZ) down to share with us her experiences with breeding PCs. She is a noted breeder with a high reputation in the USA and her seed is sometimes offered in the SPCNI list. (Soc. for Pacific Coast Native Irises but not sure if I have the initials right!). Anyway I mention this because Mary says that now the tendency is to refer to these irises not as Pacific Coast but just as Pacific, recognizing that many species are inlanders as well as coasters. Of course if we go for that name (Pacific irises) we are also acknowledging that on both sides of the Pacific Ocean there are native irises, as in eastern Japan, Sakhalin, Siberia, Hong Kong and in fact right up that eastern Asia seaboard. "Pacific Irises" could get to cover quite a vast collection of species. For my part, I'd prefer to stick with Pacific Coast irises for the Americans. At least we know what we're talking about there.

Some years ago I read that Lilium maritimum, a western American species, would only grow well and flower in sight of (or maybe nearby to) the Pacific Ocean and the inference was that it was only happy in its native home on the western seaboard of North America. I had had seed from Marcus Harvey and it was blooming well and subsequently increasing too, in my southern New Zealand garden. OK, I was within 10 kms of the Pacific Ocean but hardy in northern America! Maybe such myths create interest for the growers of plants but they do nothing to add to the genuine information out there.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: WimB on May 08, 2017, 09:27:26 AM
Lesley,

Sounds like you had an interesting lecture! You're right in saying that Pacific Irises might be confusing, the Asian species are no PCI's. I'll stick to Pacific Coast too...it's more logical. Don't know about Lilium maritimum and the Pacific Ocean story. Maybe just the smell of the Pacific Ocean is enough (no matter which side you're on). Never tried it, but I'm close to an ocean too, not the pacific but hey maybe that one would grow here too ;-)

Some more PC's in flower over here, they at least don't need the pacific to grow. They are a bit tricky to transplant and divide though, you need to do it when they are in growth.

Anyhow, all PC's from seed from 3 years ago.

Oh, and another non-bearded: Iris cristata 'Powder Blue Giant', from seed from a very generous forum member.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Robert on May 08, 2017, 02:14:13 PM
Lesley,

I have grown Lilium maritimum at our Placerville, California farm for years. It has been easy to maintain. Placerville is in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada Mountains - extremely hot and dry during the summer, nothing like coastal California where Lilium maritium grows in its natural habitat. I would inclined to say that L. maritimum is very adaptable to a considerable range of climatic conditions.

Wim,

Nice Pacific Coast Iris!  8)

I have to admit that I grow the species, however I can still appreciate the hybrids. I do spend a lot of time doing botanical field work in California and I get to observe the diversity of the species in the wild. I wish that I had more time to post photographs. I had a very nice Iris innominata in bloom a few days ago, from wild seed of coarse. Our native (California) species are quite diverse.

Thank you for sharing the photographs.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 08, 2017, 11:20:18 PM
Thanks for that Robert. I admit that when mine was doing so well I wondered if the comments about only growing by the Pacific Ocean were an attempt to add some local mystique to what maybe had been considered as "our lily" by local gardeners.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 09, 2017, 10:32:00 AM
A few PCI hybs.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 09, 2017, 10:33:20 AM
A few more.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Carolyn on May 09, 2017, 12:16:41 PM
Michael,
Your PC irises are lovely. I particularly like the 3rd photo, cream with purple veins - very striking. Are these named varieties or your own seedlings?
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 09, 2017, 01:00:30 PM
They are just seedlings.

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Post by: Carolyn on May 09, 2017, 07:07:24 PM
That is making me look forward to my "just seedlings" which I hope will flower next year.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: GordonT on May 10, 2017, 01:15:12 AM
Michael, you have an amazing group of PC seedlings! Can you share anything about their parentage? I am particularly taken by #3,4, 5, 7 & 8.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 10, 2017, 11:27:57 AM
Gordon, I have no idea, they could actually be named varieties as I got the seed as a mixed bag from the "The Society for Pacific Coast Native Iris" a few years ago. When they were a reasonable size I planted them in the garden and forgot about them until they all decided flower this year. I still haven't separated them and they are still flowering as a mixed bunch.  :)
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 10, 2017, 09:57:10 PM
SPCNI have a wonderful seedlist and the plants give some great surprises. There are seeds from registered named forms and also from mixed oddments of all kinds as well as from the original species. It's very easy (and cheap) to join as an Online member and well-rewarding. They do a great illustrated newsletter too.

My experience with the seed(lings) is that they can take 2 or 3 years to flower but need good care and feeding to do it in 2. Mine don't like to remain potted for long and don't really flower in pots much so better to plant them out quickly. The main problem with them is that there are so many seedlings and it seems wicked to throw any out before flowering as ever one is different, sometimes spectacularly so. So give it a go Gordon! ;D
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Carolyn on May 10, 2017, 10:16:28 PM
Lesley,
What do you feed your PC iris seedlings with? Dilute tomato fertiliser perhaps? I wish mine would flower in 2 years! I know they do not like to be in pots for too long, but I tend to keep them there so that I can put them in my unheated greenhouse over the winter for the first couple of years. Otherwise we lose the young plants in the cold/wet.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 10, 2017, 11:15:19 PM
Hello Carolyn,
I don't feed with any regularity but when I plant them out (usually from 4" pots or planter bags) I include a good handful per plant in the planting hole, potassium sulphate which is tomato fertilizer to all intents and purposes anyway and I dig in compost at the same time. I usually find that the first really good flowering is in the second year after that. This year I'm using the pot sulph but in a fine, almost powdery form which I hope will act quicker if I water it in. The larger granular type seems to take a long time to melt down, although a bag of it left on my bench gathered water into itself very quickly and became impossible to handle. I'm using that by the tbspful, letting it dissolve in 10 litres of water in a can and watering it on irises in general until it's finished. It's also important with PCs to move or divide them when they have new white roots showing if you tease away the soil from round the base of the plant.

The seedlings from named forms and all others vary hugely. Hardly any two are the same. I have a lovely pinky-cream heavily veined with crimson and hoped for the same or similar from the seedlings but there were purples and golds and all sorts. Perhaps this was because I have quite a lot in a small area and the bees were busy too. :)
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: fermi de Sousa on May 11, 2017, 06:12:08 AM
Michael, you have an amazing group of PC seedlings!
They don't call him "Mr Amazing" for nothing!
Great flowers, Michael,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: GordonT on May 11, 2017, 10:52:52 AM
Lesley, Thanks for the encouragement... I've had a membership with SPCNI for several years now ;D You are right about the seed exchange. Since there are NO local suppliers of Pacific Coast Iris in Nova Scotia, I am doing my small bit to fill the gap, growing seed from the exchange, and testing plants in our gardens. I am trusting that a few more seedlings will show their colours this year.. To date I've managed to coax about five seedlings, from varied backgrounds to bloom, and have at least that many more in the garden. I did discover that southwestern Nova Scotian winters are simply too difficult for Iris munzii to survive, but others (likely with more tenax, douglasiana, chrysophylla bloodlines) seem to thrive, though they look like hell in early spring. My tactics in testing plants here has been to offer them no extra winter protection. Plants that survive this rough treatment will be more likely to survive similar treatment in the gardens of neophyte growers. One plant I hope to see bloom this year are two seedlings of Iris 'Line Drawing'.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: WimB on May 17, 2017, 10:11:35 PM
Iris sibirica 'Flight of the Butterflies'
Iris tingitana var. fontanesii
and three more Pacific Coast seedlings.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 17, 2017, 11:31:26 PM
Lovely irises Wim. I have some seedlings of a superb white sibirica, called 'Flight of Swans.' (No, it is called 'Swans in Flight.') They won't flower true of course but may be very good all the same. The parent is magnificent! A lot of PCs are germinating at present and I'll be very busy in the spring and summer potting up or planting out. I look around my hundreds of seed pots and almost despair at the work to be done. So why do I go on sowing seed? I suppose because I'm not ready to die yet. When one happens the other will follow soon after. ::) :)
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: WimB on May 19, 2017, 07:11:48 PM
Lovely irises Wim. I have some seedlings of a superb white sibirica, called 'Flight of Swans.' (No, it is called 'Swans in Flight.') They won't flower true of course but may be very good all the same. The parent is magnificent! A lot of PCs are germinating at present and I'll be very busy in the spring and summer potting up or planting out. I look around my hundreds of seed pots and almost despair at the work to be done. So why do I go on sowing seed? I suppose because I'm not ready to die yet. When one happens the other will follow soon after. ::) :)

Just had a look for 'Swans in Flight' and that's one big sibirica (I thought it was a bearded Iris on first sight).

My favourite sibirica was in flower today: Iris sibirica 'Snow Prince'

Also in flower: Iris sibirica 'Wealden Carousel' and Iris tectorum 'Album'
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on May 20, 2017, 04:40:48 PM
Iris xiphium, from Oron Peri. Sadly, the flower was snapped off in a storm yesterday.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: ashley on May 28, 2017, 12:55:53 PM
Iris ruthenica from the exchange (SRGC 64-2311)
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Robert on May 28, 2017, 03:11:48 PM
Lesley, Thanks for the encouragement... I've had a membership with SPCNI for several years now ;D You are right about the seed exchange. Since there are NO local suppliers of Pacific Coast Iris in Nova Scotia, I am doing my small bit to fill the gap, growing seed from the exchange, and testing plants in our gardens. I am trusting that a few more seedlings will show their colours this year.. To date I've managed to coax about five seedlings, from varied backgrounds to bloom, and have at least that many more in the garden. I did discover that southwestern Nova Scotian winters are simply too difficult for Iris munzii to survive, but others (likely with more tenax, douglasiana, chrysophylla bloodlines) seem to thrive, though they look like hell in early spring. My tactics in testing plants here has been to offer them no extra winter protection. Plants that survive this rough treatment will be more likely to survive similar treatment in the gardens of neophyte growers. One plant I hope to see bloom this year are two seedlings of Iris 'Line Drawing'.

Gordon,

I finally had a chance to get another look at this thread. It is such a shame that many California species get stigmatized as not being cold hardy. I see plenty of Iris hartwegii growing at 5,000 feet, 1,524 meters, in the Sierra Nevada. At this elevation, winters are plenty cold and there can be plenty of snow during the winter or none. The geologic history of California seems to be forgotten. In a geologic sense, the last Ice Age was not that long ago. Although the genes are constantly shifting and plants certainly moved around as the ice came and went, the genetic potential for a greater degree of cold hardiness must certainly remain, if only as a recessive(s) (s = i.e. some sort of poly gene arrangement) or maybe a detrimental that is not detrimental under different conditions. Some California species have a tremendous range. I occasionally, find species growing beyond there normal altitude range. I hope to get down to the southern Sierra Nevada where Iris munzii is found. My guess is that Iris munzii might be found at higher elevations in this region. I have found this to be true with other species - it just takes a lot of effort and a bit of intuition.

Good luck with PCI. Hopefully you will be seeing blooming plants soon.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on May 28, 2017, 07:00:18 PM
Iris hookeri.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 29, 2017, 01:14:58 AM
Iris hookeri should most likely be named as I. setosa ssp. hookeri.

You have a really nice deep coloured form of I. ruthenica Ashley. There is an incredibly beautiful white form shown of Facebook a while back by a Russian gentleman called Andrey Dedov. He kindly gave me permission to use his photo in the NZIS Bulletin in an article I was writing so I'll take his permmission for granted again and post it here too. He has also shown a collection of flowers with an amazing varieties of blues purples and whites and combinations of them all.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: ashley on May 29, 2017, 04:24:25 PM
Thanks Lesley.  Yes I like the inky blue too, but that white form is superb.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on May 29, 2017, 06:41:29 PM
Iris 'Holden Clough'.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: WimB on May 30, 2017, 09:56:14 AM
Iris laevigata 'Colchesterensis'
and Iris sibirica 'Flight of the Butterflies' (hasn't stolen its name)
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 30, 2017, 10:20:06 AM
This laevigata form is incredible. In a clump is quite spectacular! The butterflies are OK too. ;D
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on June 01, 2017, 07:48:03 PM
All three of these have been grown from seed sown quite a few years a go now. The labels have long been lost and in their time the plants have been moved around the garden quite a few times so I have named them from looking at my files of previous years pictures. Confirmation of their correctness would be great. I'm conscious that I have previously been asked for seed, especially from the spurias, (Lesley?) so I hope this year I might well be able to save some.

Iris clarkei
I. spuria ssp maritima
I. s. ssp musulmanica (two shots)
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 02, 2017, 01:21:43 AM
Hi David, I'm not sure at all but the last two irises could well be as you labelled them. I. clarkei may or may not be, perhaps a hybrid of it but really can't say for sure. Ideally, someone from BIS or Jim Waddick in the USA would have a look. Sorry not to be more helpful. Anyway, well worth saving the seed if you have some.

My first reticulatas are pushing through now. Usually I see this time as the beginning of the end - of winter - but this year it's hardly even the end of the beginning. Frosts and fog and generally nasty. Anthony D in Auckland is still basking in 18C.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on June 02, 2017, 12:11:33 PM
Lesley, I did some searching through previous postings on the Forum and I'm sure now that my Iris clarkei certainly isn't and is probably a Sibiricae hybrid. You showed a beautiful clarkei in reply 77 in the "December 2014 in the Southern Hemisphere" thread.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 05, 2017, 02:26:50 AM
David what I usually forget to mention is that the absolute definitive ID feature of I. clarkei is that it has SOLID stems while other Sibiricae have HOLLOW stems. However, in the case of hybrids I'm not sure how that plays out. Maybe some are "a bit" hollow," i.e. partially filled in. but I don't know. I'll take a better look at the stems of all my Sibiricae this coming season. I'm pretty certain about mine but having said that the darned thing has never set seed which is often the sign of a hybrid (though not necessarily. Perhaps it just needs another clone of the same thing. ???)
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on June 06, 2017, 01:32:14 PM
Lesley, just been looking at the description of Iris clarkei  in Brian Mathew's 'The Iris' and in relation to the stem he says "......... It differs from the rest of its Series in having solid stems"......... I picked a stem on mine (whatever it is!) this morning, between heavy showers, and it was hollow ???
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: GordonT on June 06, 2017, 02:01:35 PM
Pacific coast iris are starting to bloom here. A grouping of several plants of Iris tenax  were the first to get going. I am quite happy with their display. [attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 06, 2017, 11:43:23 PM
Oh David, I have stuffed up again it seems. I'm certainly not going to argue with Brian Mathew! I'm sure (pretty sure :-\) that we have been talking about clarkei's hollow stems in recent discussions within the Otago iris Group in which case we have all got ourselves mixed up so I'll need to check that. I'll also modify my post above yours in case anyone else reads it and becomes mis-informed as a result of my mistake. I'm so, so sorry.

I made an appalling blunder a couple of days ago in the thread about the chocolate cosmos, Cosmos atrosanguineus, had to backtrack and correct it and then again, apologise profusely. I am now thinking my mind is in even less good shape than I thought it was, which is frightening.

Thanks for not hesitating to point out my mistake. It's important to be corrected when necessary.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on June 07, 2017, 09:14:38 AM
Don't worry about it Lesley, after all we're humans and not politicians  ;D
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on June 15, 2017, 08:56:19 PM
This Louisiana iris cultivar was planted in a damp tub some fifteen years ago and has never flowered - until now. Any suggestions as to the variety?
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on June 15, 2017, 08:58:12 PM
This tall Iris spuria cultivar gives a splendid old gold glow to the border.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 19, 2017, 05:38:22 AM
I'm entirely new to Louisianas, just one, which flowered this last summer, a glorious blue. I thought it would be too cold in the south of NZ but it seems not so I'll be looking for some more. They're not for small gardens though ???

Just a couple more days until the winter solstice and then it's all up hill! Yeay!
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on August 26, 2017, 07:08:49 PM
On the "Iris clarkei, or not" discussion a couple of posts above I now have seed from mine, whatever it is and a further problem. Some of the seed is a very dark brown in colour and some of it is a much lighter shade of brown. Could the dark brown shade perhaps be fertile seed and the much lighter brown infertile seed? There was much more light brown than dark. Can anyone enlighten please?
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on September 03, 2017, 09:36:20 AM
Have I asked an impossible question?
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: arilnut on October 14, 2017, 05:51:23 PM
I have I. henryi blooming now.  didn't know it could rebloom.

John B
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on October 20, 2017, 07:16:47 PM
Iris unguicularis season has started here in Kent.



Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on October 20, 2017, 07:53:37 PM
Iris unguicularis season has started here in Kent.

...... but not yet in Devon. Raise you a pot of Polyxena longituba ;)
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Lesley Cox on October 21, 2017, 10:08:33 PM
David, I had an email from you a while ago - few weeks? - and replied to it but now I'm wondering if it reached you because I can't find it it my sent messages box and I don't think it was a PM on the Forum. My life seems to have gone to the dogs recently, so I'll find yours, I hope, and reply again and see what happens.

Sorry,
Lesley

Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on October 22, 2017, 07:55:51 PM
David, I had an email from you a while ago - few weeks? - and replied to it but now I'm wondering if it reached you because I can't find it it my sent messages box and I don't think it was a PM on the Forum. My life seems to have gone to the dogs recently, so I'll find yours, I hope, and reply again and see what happens.

Sorry,
Lesley

Lesley,

will PM you later .
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on October 25, 2017, 08:43:01 PM
Earlier than usual, Iris unguicularis 'Abington Purple'.

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Can't get the colour rendition right - it's much more purple than this.
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Post by: Brian Ellis on October 26, 2017, 09:24:35 AM
Earlier than usual, Iris unguicularis 'Abington Purple'.

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Can't get the colour rendition right - it's much more purple than this.

...and fragrant?  From the garden of Rev Richard Blakeway-Phillips originally.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on October 26, 2017, 12:31:39 PM
Yes, all I. unguicularis are fragrant.
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Post by: David Nicholson on October 26, 2017, 07:24:09 PM
Mine is out today, long lost label but perhaps Iris unguicularis 'Mary Barnard'

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Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 17, 2017, 09:37:06 AM
We've had enough moisture in spring this year to allow the Louisiana Iris to develop some flower stems.
I think this one is Iris 'Dural White Butterfly'
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: GordonT on November 17, 2017, 12:28:42 PM
Fermi, that is quite an elegant display! Do you have many Louisiana Iris? I may still have 'Black Gamecock', but not sure. Plenty of rain falling here at the moment. I have to get a few pots in the ground before our winter sets in (seedlings of Pacific Coast Iris 'Deepening Shadows' and ' Canyon Snow' x 'Blue Melody')
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Post by: Leena on November 18, 2017, 09:55:45 AM
I sent seeds of Iris versicolor 'Between the Line' to the seed exchange. Here is a picture of it, very floriferous and produced a lot of seeds, too.
I also sent some seeds to the seed ex from Iris versicolor x laevigata 'Fourfold Blue', in the foreground in the third picture.
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Post by: Gail on November 18, 2017, 02:53:59 PM
Lovely pictures Leena, it's nice to see a flash of summer on a November day. I like the combination of the blue iris with the geranium - good peony too, is that 'Red Charm'?
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Post by: Leena on November 18, 2017, 04:04:50 PM
Thank you Gail, I like that combination, too. :)
Yes, peony is 'Red Charm'!  It is a very nice peony.  Last June was quite dry and it was better than never before.
The one on the right just opening is 'Coral Sunset'.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 19, 2017, 06:47:05 PM
Leena you have some beautiful irises.
You may remember sending me seed early last year of I. bulleyana and also from a Tamberg Siberian form, called (in English) 'Siberian Spring.' You'll be pleased to know these both germinated well and are now up and flourishing for the the second time. I'll plant them out in a row shortly until they flower then find places in the garden. I hope I thanked you at the time, but certainly do so now. It is the middle of our iris season now, with most of my bearded forms just finishing but the (preferred) species coming into full flower. The Sibiricae and Ensatae sections are particularly good following a very wet spring.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 19, 2017, 07:25:46 PM
I'll look for these irises as well when the seedlist is ready. Won't be long now. :)
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on November 19, 2017, 07:27:24 PM
SRGC Seedlist should be  being posted out and online around the beginning of December, all being well, I'm told.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 19, 2017, 07:35:12 PM
Thanks Maggi. Plenty to do including other seeds to sow, before then. There used to be a seed season but nowadays it seems there is seed arriving all year round, from many different places. I never quite catch up!
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 19, 2017, 11:53:56 PM
Thanks, Maggi, we were also trying to find a date for the release of the seedlist!
Here are a few more iris in flower:
1) a pink Louisiana hybrid
2) Iris spuria which maybe be ssp halophila
3) the Spuria Iris bed
4) Iris 'Golden Lady'
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: GordonT on November 20, 2017, 12:04:30 AM
Plenty to do including other seeds to sow, before then. There used to be a seed season but nowadays it seems there is seed arriving all year round, from many different places. I never quite catch up!

Lesley, speaking of seeds, did you receive my pm about Iris setosa hookeri seed (and others). I would like to send you something as a thank you for the Arisaema nepenthoides seeds you posted to me earlier this year.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Leena on November 20, 2017, 05:36:31 PM
Fermi, very nice I.spurias. :) I have some seedlings of I.spuria, but they were still too small to flower last summer.

Leena you have some beautiful irises.
You may remember sending me seed early last year of I. bulleyana and also from a Tamberg Siberian form, called (in English) 'Siberian Spring.' You'll be pleased to know these both germinated well and are now up and flourishing for the the second time.

Thank you Lesley! :) I'm glad to hear they had germinated and you have seedlings now. The Meconopsis you sent me had also germinated and they are now outside, hopefully survive the winter. :)

Here is a picture of that Tamberg's iris ('Sibirische Fruhling'). It gets sunshine only in the morning, I should move it to someplace more sunny.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Leena on November 20, 2017, 05:46:26 PM
Some more of my irises. I have grown this one from seeds about ten years ago. I bought the seeds as Iris chrysographes, but the seedlings turned out to be I.sibirica. I planted one of them in the garden, and it is a very good plant. Early and very vigorous, and though the flowers are small, there are a lot of them.
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Post by: Leena on November 20, 2017, 05:51:11 PM
Some more.
Iris 'Sibtosa Queen' seems to be sterile,
and I haven't gotten any seeds from 'Sibtosa Wein' either. In the background of the third picture is Iris sibirica 'Kleiner Schmetterling', very nice, and here it is also on the fourth picture.
The fifth picture is of 'Ruffled Velvet', which seems also to be sterile, and it is not so tall as the other irises.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Leena on November 20, 2017, 05:55:02 PM
Last summer was very good for my irises. :)
In the last picture in the left there is 'Butterfly Fountain', and beside it in the middle 'White Swirl'. In the background there is my blue tall sibirica seedling which I showed earlier. Iris in the right is bearded iris 'Flavescens'
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on November 20, 2017, 07:07:26 PM
Last summer was very good for my irises. :)

So it seems, by these photos!
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Post by: ashley on November 21, 2017, 02:06:48 PM
Beautiful irises and garden Leena, and these photos are especially nice to see as we head into NH winter.
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Post by: Leena on November 21, 2017, 07:17:03 PM
Thank you Maggi and Ashley.  :)
Looking at spring and summer pictures helps getting through winter.
Title: Re: Iris non-bearded 2017
Post by: GordonT on December 11, 2017, 12:17:36 PM
For those of you who are interested in Pacific Coast Iris, the Society for Pacific Coast Native Iris 2017-18 seed exchange has gone live. It can be found here: http://www.pacificcoastiris.org/spcni_seedexchange.html (http://www.pacificcoastiris.org/spcni_seedexchange.html)
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