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Title: Anemone nemorosa and cousins
Post by: Diane Whitehead on March 08, 2008, 11:33:59 PM
I was set to take a picture of my Anemone nemorosa vindobonensis
when a plank fell on it.  I now have one mangled flower.

 I bought it from Thimble Farms (http://www.thimblefarms.com/)
in British Columbia.  Their catalogue description says:
"This form has cream colored flowers. Blooms earlier than the hybrid 
Anemone x lipsiensis"

I can't find any other information about it.

Title: Re: Anemone nemorosa and cousins
Post by: mark smyth on March 08, 2008, 11:35:56 PM
Very nice whatever it is!
Title: Re: Anemone nemorosa and cousins
Post by: Maggi Young on March 09, 2008, 10:07:58 AM
Diane, sorry about the plank! That sort of thing happens all too easily, does it not?
The name of your pretty anenome is a new one to me.........the flower is a very delicate soft yellow which is  not quite the same as x lipsiensis.... or pallida.....(which may or may not themselves be the same thing)  ??? ::)
 :-\   Interested to find out more about that name.....
Title: Re: Anemone nemorosa and cousins
Post by: Gerry Webster on March 09, 2008, 10:21:28 AM
Vindobona seems to be the ancient, Latin name for Vienna. There  is an 18th century description of the University Botanic Garden entitled 'Hortus Botanicus Vindobonensis'. Presumably your anemone comes from Austria.
Title: Re: Anemone nemorosa and cousins
Post by: Gerdk on March 09, 2008, 10:41:43 AM
Vindobona seems to be the ancient, Latin name for Vienna. There  is an 18th century description of the University Botanic Garden entitled 'Hortus Botanicus Vindobonensis'. Presumably your anemone comes from Austria.

Yes, found the same.
Furthermore: this Anemone species can be found in  German catalogues as

1. Anemone Lipsae - Hybride Vindobonensis
2. Anemone x intermedia Vindobonensis
3. Anemone x lipsiensis Vindobonensis

described as an old cultivar with reddish leaves in the beginning (Austrieb) and pale yellow flowers

Gerd

Title: Re: Anemone nemorosa and cousins
Post by: mark smyth on March 09, 2008, 10:43:50 AM
Out of interest I had a look at Wikipedia for the name
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vindobona (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vindobona)
Title: Re: Anemone nemorosa and cousins
Post by: Gerry Webster on March 09, 2008, 03:31:42 PM
A confirmation from W.T. Stearn's 'Botanical Latin': 'Vindobona' is the Latin name for Vienna & 'vindobonensis' is the correct adjectival form to be used in epithets.

By the way Diane, does Spring come early in BC? Although Anemone blanda has been out in my garden for a couple of weeks, A. appenina has only just appeared &, as yet, there is no sign of A.nemorosa or A x lipsiensis.
Title: Re: Anemone nemorosa and cousins
Post by: Diane Whitehead on March 09, 2008, 10:47:10 PM
Well, it depends on where one is.  I'm in a tiny area in the SW corner of
the province, with seawater all round, so it's mild here.  Even so, I think
I have a cold garden.  Daffodils were in bloom about a month ago along
the south coast of the city, and daffodil farmers who grow them in sunny
fields have been flying them out to snowbound Eastern Canada for several
weeks, but mine are just in bud now.

The 'Vindobonensis' (I notice that the RHS index considers it a cultivar) was
in an unheated greenhouse.  The garden nemorosas have recently put
their leaves up but aren't flowering yet.
Title: Re: Anemone nemorosa and cousins
Post by: Diane Whitehead on April 28, 2008, 03:30:44 PM
Avon Bulbs vindicated!  Back in the last century I imported some
A.n.'Royal Blue' from Avon, and was very disappointed that they
sent me the wrong plant.  They were pale blue.

Today I saw Slacktop's purple trough full of Royal Blue in the report on the
Harrogate show, and they are the same colour as mine.

Whoever named this plant has a different idea from me about what shade
of blue should be considered royal.  Maybe Royal Purple is for grownup Royals,
and Royal Blue is for baby Royals.

Title: Re: Anemone nemorosa and cousins
Post by: Maggi Young on April 28, 2008, 04:20:09 PM
Avon Bulbs vindicated!  Back in the last century I imported some
A.n.'Royal Blue' from Avon, and was very disappointed that they
sent me the wrong plant.  They were pale blue.

Today I saw Slacktop's purple trough full of Royal Blue in the report on the
Harrogate show, and they are the same colour as mine.

Whoever named this plant has a different idea from me about what shade
of blue should be considered royal.  Maybe Royal Purple is for grownup Royals,
and Royal Blue is for baby Royals.

Diane, I had a similar thought when I saw the name 'Royal Blue'.... it is not royal blue where I come from, nor is it Royal blue as far as the Scottish regiments had it, either! Now I must look in the RHS colour charts , so kindly obtained for me by David N. to see if an approximation can be made via a web photo!  ::) ??? ;)
Title: Re: Anemone nemorosa and cousins
Post by: Paddy Tobin on April 28, 2008, 06:06:54 PM
Diane,

Names are chosen to promote sales rather than accurate description.

Paddy
Title: Re: Anemone nemorosa and cousins
Post by: Paul T on April 29, 2008, 09:09:01 AM
It also depends on the origins of the plant.  The "Royal" in the name may refer to royalty, i.e it was a blue that came from a royal residence or something like that, rather than referring to the colour as royal (if you know what I mean).  Can be very confusing.  ::)
Title: Re: Anemone nemorosa and cousins
Post by: Susan Band on April 29, 2008, 12:32:26 PM
I have had in the past 'Royal Blue' , it was a very deep blue not like the one in the photo at all. Sadly gone now I think. I am sure the true plant should be much darker. Not unlike Bowles Purple but slightly bluer, smallish flowers if I remember.
Susan
Title: Re: Anemone nemorosa and cousins
Post by: Tony Willis on April 29, 2008, 05:23:54 PM
Some anemone appenina from gargano in italy
Title: Re: Anemone nemorosa and cousins
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 29, 2008, 09:22:00 PM
I have had in the past 'Royal Blue' , it was a very deep blue not like the one in the photo at all. Sadly gone now I think. I am sure the true plant should be much darker. Not unlike Bowles Purple but slightly bluer, smallish flowers if I remember.
Susan

I'm with Susan here. Some years ago I had A. n. 'Royal Blue' and it was a much deeper shade that the pic above, and yes, the flowers were smaller than most forms. I may even still have it somewhere among the general debris and chaos that passes for my garden.
Title: Re: Anemone nemorosa and cousins
Post by: Gerry Webster on April 30, 2008, 09:18:39 PM
Susan & Lesley - your descriptions of 'Royal Blue' are identical with those of Paul Christian on the "Rare
Plants" website. 
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