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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Melvyn Jope on January 01, 2017, 03:57:33 PM
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Two of the Cyclamen in flower today, Cyclamen elegans and Cyclamen coum Russian Form
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the last one is very smart, does this form always bloom so late?.
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This is an early flower for the C.coum Russian form, most flowers will come in February/March.
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These flowers were picked from Cyclamen persicum Mt. Carmel -
a plant which is now 18 years old!
Gerd
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Cyclamen alpinum from seed
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Three pictures of Cyclamen coum. The third one was from seed meant to be Cyclamen coum 'Lake Effect' which is an albissimum form ???
Cyclamen pseudibericum
Cyclamen x wellensiekii (cyprium x libanoticum)
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Cyclamen kuznetzovii from 2010 Cyclamen Society seed thanks to Arthur N. Plenty of buds are active already as usual. I try to keep this, my oldest plant isolated so the seed is true. Pity it is not as hardy as first suggested, Dima kindly confirmed that back in 2008.
john
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Cyclamen kuznetzovii from 2010 Cyclamen Society seed thanks to Arthur N. Plenty of buds are active already as usual. I try to keep this, my oldest plant isolated so the seed is true. Pity it is not as hardy as first suggested, Dima kindly confirmed that back in 2008.
John - is that the normal leaf form for that plant - as I have a few with that pattern - can you post a picture of the flower in due course?
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Yes that is typical of the ones we grew, the leaf a tad dowdy.
Code was CS08-22, got 30 seeds and 22 sprouted. Ken tells me he just had a few sprout from a December 2015 sowing of our selfed seed.
Here are pix of previous flowerings.
john
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Yes that is typical of the ones we grew, the leaf is a tad dowdy.
Code was CS08-22
john
I expect there's a variety of leaf forms of kuznetsovii in cultivation but my understanding is that the form offered at one time by Tilebarn Nursery had plain green leaves and a good pink flower. There used to be a photo of it on the old Cyclamen Society website but not, as yet, on the new website. Back in 2013 my plant - now deceased - looked like this: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9948.540 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9948.540)
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I have a C. coum flowering with leaves that look identical to those kuznetsovii. Raises the question about naming varieties. At some point I did get some seed of kuznetsovii but lost the label. This plant could well be 'it', or a random seedling. Would it be safe and just for me to assume it is kuznetsovii?
First time flowering a silver leaved coum with an intensely deep colour that is hard to capture, I placed it on some dark red apples and yellow pears for contrast. I hope this one will grow well and bulk up!
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Beautiful varieties of pears and apples, Bart.
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It's humor of course. :P Are your cyclamen from your own seedlings? They are very pretty. ;)
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Haha, but yes, they are nice apples and pears! Colapuy, and Gieser Wildeman respectively. The Cyclamen is from the Cyclamen Society, sown 6/10/2013 and said: C coum patterned leaf, dark purple flower; crossing with 'Meaden's Crimson'. A fairly long wait, which seems to be the case with coum for me. In the garden seedlings seem to take years as well to reach flowering size.
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I have a C. coum flowering with leaves that look identical to those kuznetsovii. Raises the question about naming varieties. At some point I did get some seed of kuznetsovii but lost the label. This plant could well be 'it', or a random seedling. Would it be safe and just for me to assume it is kuznetsovii?
There's a couple of other C coum varieties with plain green leaves. 'Meaden's Crimson' has very dark red flowers and 'Golan Heights' has pure white flowers. The latter breeds true but the former often throws plants with marked leaves. I wouldn't label these as 'Meaden's Crimson'.
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Nice find in local nursery. Labelled as Cyclamen hederifolium 'Silverme White':
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and a nice coum 'not kuznetsovii'in the garden:
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A quick search of this cultivar name shows all sorts of results, with coum plants being called hederifolium, 'Silver me' white' with green leaves, etc. Wonder who is behind the marketing of this, if the coverage is country wide it is probably a big Dutch grower much like what happened with Pleione formosana cultivars a couple of years ago, suddenly popping up with fancy (initially) untraceable marketing names (Vivaldi, Verdi and Rossini).
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Regretfully Bart it's all part of the game we're involved in, and the 'rules', such as they are, get dafter as the game progresses.
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Seedlings ex C. coum 'Porcelain'. Cyclamen Society seed sown Oct 2015 there are at least 4 plants flowering for the first time now. They're not showing the characteristic veining of 'Porcelain', but maybe this will come in future years when they are more mature?
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Hi Matt
I have been lucky with this plant. From my original plant from Jan I raised 30 or so seedlings all true and identical. I passed on most of them but kept 5 which I put into one pot which is in flower now. If you don't manage to get one that is true you are welcome to some seeds from mine. It is pretty much isolated as it is the only coum in the greenhouse as it is my least favourite cyclamen species . Pat
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It is pretty much isolated as it is the only coum in the greenhouse as it is my least favourite cyclamen species . Pat
I'm pleasantly suprised that you've allowed any coum in your greenhouse, Pat! (I may scrounge some seed from you also :) )
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Cyclamen coum ssp caucasiacum both from the same batch of seed under SRGC 08/9-1057 with one slightly darker than the other. Also C. libanoticum again from seed.
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Wonderful dark colours!
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The dark ones are lovely - we've never had that shade from seed.
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Yes they are a good colour, thanks.
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In our garden, the cyclamen coum thrive well, they are growing more and more every year. Their colors are interesting too, I think. There seems to be a great diversity. Semi are numerous in the neighborhood.
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finally got in the bottom alpine house today
Coum in full flower - these are my main seed plants
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Some of the hederifolium
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C. coum 'Porcelain'
I was extreamly lucky that one of the forum members did send me 5 corms last year - they are all doing very well and the biggest one looks like it will have 2 flowers this year - one is up and one at the side of the pot
very dark green plain leaves
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seeing this today made my day :)
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coum and hederifolium seedlings under the benching
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Silver hederifoliums
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that pink coum flower is huge - it really stuck out on the earlier picture - only noticed it today
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I wonder why I sow seed when it seems to germinate better in the plunge sand......
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I spilt some seed a while ago - need to dig these out this year
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second and third generation seeds in one of the tunnels
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more seedlings
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Porcelain is pretty. .... but they all are ,aren't they?!!
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yes it's a very nice patchwork
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Porcelain is pretty. .... but they all are ,aren't they?!!
there were a couple of really small dumpy flowered deep purple ones - which have come from the ex meden crimson plants - but have patterned leaves - I spotted today
The Porcelain is a wonderful flower when you see it up close - I can see me getting the paintbush out for the pollen
The Coum with the massive flower will need to be isolated into another building to see if it does it next year
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Beautiful cyclamen Graeme 8)
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Nice stuff Graeme.
Here's the first flowering of seed grown coum ex 'Ashwood Red' from SRGC seed 10/11-1174 sown 4 September 2011. I was expecting it to be darker, maybe next year? Does everyone's coum seed take as long as mine to first flower?
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Here's the first flowering of seed grown coum ex 'Ashwood Red' from SRGC seed 10/11-1174 sown 4 September 2011. I was expecting it to be darker, maybe next year? Does everyone's coum seed take as long as mine to first flower?
The underside of the leaf is a very good read, though, David.
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Does everyone's coum seed take as long as mine to first flower?
Once mine are in growth I keep the seed trays under the benching in one of the alpine houses in summer - so all they see if a bit of light through white washed glass
So they flower in as little as 9 months - 18 months - so as soon as they have germinated keep them in full growth for at least the first 2 1/2 years if you can
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Nice selection of C. coum you have there , Graeme. I had remarked on how slow my coum were growing, just like David's, a number of posts ago. Will try your method, which makes sense of course.
Also like your hederifolium leaves- particularly the silver and green one in the middle-ish. The price tags suggest you've either bought them- or do you sell?
Cyclamen x wellensiekii is flowering nicely. I assume it is this hybrid, but the label has mysteriously disappeared...
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Cyclamen coum in the garden
First shows Cyclamen coum threading through Dryas octopetala
Second is a raised bed photographed on Feb 6th
Third photo is the same raised bed taken yesterday
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It must be a good year for Cyclamen coum here in Kent - mine have been very floriferous and long lasting.
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Also like your hederifolium leaves- particularly the silver and green one in the middle-ish. The price tags suggest you've either bought them- or do you sell?
Bart - most of the hederifolium have come via Ashwood (and still have the price labels in) - AGS shows or from cyclamen society seed - I do have a good range of plants now
Most of the Coum came via Ron Evans in Nottingham - plus a lot grown from CS seed
I was never that bothered with hederifolium so have grown a lot of coum for years now
I do have a nursery - but I never get round to selling any of the plants - although my wife would like me to :)
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This is Cyclamen elegans 'Reiko' - originally from Jan Bravenboer -
a new colour for this species (at least for me)
Gerd
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Some dates for the Cyclamen Society events :
Midlands Group Meeting: Sunday 5 March 2017 – Norton Community Centre
Spring Show: Saturday 1 April 2017 – Hillside Events Centre, RHS Wisley
Show Schedule Wisley Spring Show 2017
Birmingham Conference Show: Sunday 10 September 2017 – Birmingham Botanical Gardens
Show Schedule Birmingham Show 2016
Autumn Show: Sunday 15 October 2017 – Hillside Events Centre, RHS Wisley
Show Schedule Wisley Autumn Show 2016
Also, there seem to be some updates on their website : http://www.cyclamen.org (http://www.cyclamen.org) and they have a Facebook Page : https://www.facebook.com/CyclamenSociety/ (https://www.facebook.com/CyclamenSociety/)
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anyone got a post code for Norton Community Centre? thank Maggi
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I think this is the place :
Norton Community Centre,
Kempton Way,
Norton,
STOURBRIDGE,
West Midlands.
DY8 3AZ
Telephone
01384 378609
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I think this is the place :
Yes, Maggi, that is the place :)
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Delivered this morning a lovely parcel of Cyclamen from Jan and Mieke Bravenboer's Greeen Ice Nursery. Top quality plants and really well packed.
https://green-ice-nursery.nl/
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Delivered this morning a lovely parcel of Cyclamen from Jan and Mieke Bravenboer's Greeen Ice Nursery. Top quality plants and really well packed.
https://green-ice-nursery.nl/
Is this because you didn't get out on your usual Wednesday retail therapy trip, David? !!
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Yes, we were otherwise engaged on events that further seriously eroded the Nicholson fortune so got an order in before all the bills come in ;D
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Delivered this morning a lovely parcel of Cyclamen from Jan and Mieke Bravenboer's Greeen Ice Nursery. Top quality plants and really well packed.
https://green-ice-nursery.nl/
I keep looking but everything I need is always sold out :( - not like I have enough cyclamen
Loughborough next weekend ;D
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Hi Cyclamen friends
Renate Brinkers from the german nursery "Pflanze & Co" will make a speciel event for Cyclamen
It is called "Cyclamen Tage" - it is in her nursery in Lingen on 01 . + 02. April 2017
Here is the pic :
Enjoy
Hans
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Cyclamen pseudibericum from seed (SRGC 08/9-1065)
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Last week I brought a small but healthy C. pseudibericum into the house to enjoy the strong scent. This morning I spotted all the leaves but one showed this severe chlorosis. Flowers are healthy, but all petioles but one were nearly detached and came off without effort after the picture was taken. There is no obvious sign of fungal attack, so is this just a schock- reaction to the change in temperature and humidity?
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Hi Bart,
did you remember to put it outside again each night ("with the cat")? Or did you only have it inside for a very short period? I'd always been told that cyclamen "are not house-plants" and won't tolerate the indoor temperatures we humans tend to prefer.
Here we have the first of the autumn species, Cyclamen graecum, starting to flower in the rock garden,
cheers
fermi
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It was in the house day and night, I didn't think it would deteriorate so quickly. Cyclamen persicum usually doesn't mind a little visit.
Nice to see graecum with so many seed pods. I have a big plant in a pot that is crowded with young pods this year, I'm worried to get botrytis in it. Some leaves are on their way out, which seems early in the year to me. Are other people's graecum beginning to 'retreat'?
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I think it is Pat's birthday today - many happies, "cycnich"!!
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Many happy returns! - the first blooms of the season on my venerable Cyclamen graecum 8)
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Happy Birthday Pat.
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Lots of cyclamen everywhere now, just as C. coum is fading away in the garden.
Some pictures from C. persicum 'mix' sown in 2012, with a great variation:
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C.persicum very vivid pink, nearly looks like repandum;
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C. persicum with pale flowers with a twist in the petals;
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C. persicum mid-pink;
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C.persicum pale flower, without the twist.
In the garden C. libanoticum is in full bloom, just in time to get battered by gale force winds yesterday and day before. I'll post a pic as soon as the sun comes out again....
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Cyclamen creticum
This one has really long petals. I lost the parent plant which was a grown from Cyclamen Society seed from a CSE collected plant in the 2010/11 winter. I was very pleased to have collected and sown seed from it. I was disappointed to lose another creticum with plain leaves and pale pink flowers.
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Very elegant, Roma with the pure white flowers as well as the long petals.
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C. creticum is one of the species I struggle with. I start off with a potful of seedlings and they gradually reduce over the next couple of years. I suspect they don't get enough, or the right, care during the dormant period.
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Cyclamen graecum "Album" in the garden
Cyclamen rohlfsianum in the garden
Cyclamen mirabile ex 'Tilebarn Nicholas' in the shade-house
cheers
fermi
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Cyclamen rohlfsianum in the garden
That's really rubbing it in ;D
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This is Cyclamen repandum from Croatia -
survived outside unexpectedly - the site is quite dry beneath a Turish Hazel (Corylus colurna)
Gerd
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Whilst I was looking for cyclamen the other day I came across this coin - C.Coum and then screen printed - its about the size of a 10p coin and in a plastic case to protect it. I was really pleased when it came - they do solid silver ones as well but these don't apear to be printed in colour
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I am extremely saddened to share the news that Peter Moore died this week after a few days in hospital. Until he retired a few years ago Peter ran the hugely influential Tilebarn Nursery. I know that many forumists have in their collections Tilebarn cyclamen cultivars that Peter developed through years of skill, dedication and patient breeding and selection. He was a founder member of the Cyclamen Society and he will be sorely missed by its members and his many friends in the horticultural world. RIP Peter.
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I am extremely saddened to share the news that Peter Moore died this week after a few days in hospital. Until he retired a few years ago Peter ran the hugely influential Tilebarn Nursery. I know that many forumists have in their collections Tilebarn cyclamen cultivars that Peter developed through years of skill, dedication and patient breeding and selection. He was a founder member of the Cyclamen Society and he will be sorely missed by its members and his many friends in the horticultural world. RIP Peter.
Dear me, I am sorry to hear that. I think there will be many in the alpine and rock garden world who are aware of Peter via the Tilebarn name, even if they never knew him personally. Sad news - thank you for letting us know.
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Yes, a name I know well, a very well respected plantsman.
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been collecting seed today off the plants and I have noticed that a lot of them are waking up - seems a bit early - Hederifolium Stargazer looks like it is going to flower soon (too early......)
Anyway thoughts turn to the task of re-potting and what mixes everyone uses?
Currently I use a 20% JI 2 or 3, 20% multi purpose, 20% sharp grit, 20% perlite and 20% Johndo mixed Chicken grit (grit, limestone, oyster shells) - bit of slow release fertilizer or blood fish and bone
Plastic pots - top dressing of grit
Never sure if I should bury the growing points in the compost or just cover with grit?
Also tend now to plant on a slight tilt/angle so that any water does not sit in the crown and rot off the growing tips
Any tips on getting hederifolium from seed to flower quickly would be greatly appreciated. Have no issues with coum - just hederifolium
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Mine not too different from yours Graeme: 2 measures JI No. 3; 1 measure composted bark; 1.5 measures sharp sand; 1.5 measures grit; some bone meal and a scattering of charcoal powder (last one an overhang from my Auricula growing days-supposed to keep the compost sweet). I used to use Perlite but it's such a silly price these days.
Like you I'm never certain about burying or not so I usually give 'em all a shallow burial. Grit top covering. I like your 'slight tilt' idea, too late for me though as, apart from 6 more pots all mine are done.
Do you water any of them over the Summer?
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been collecting seed today off the plants and I have noticed that a lot of them are waking up - seems a bit early - Hederifolium Stargazer looks like it is going to flower soon (too early.....)
Quite late compared to some of mine out in the garden! First hederifolium to flower in the garden was on June 8th. We had about 6 weeks with lots of sun and almost no rain, then a good soaking, which was enough to trigger the flowers. It's only the younger tubers which have done this, the ones which are maybe 3 years from seed. The more mature ones have more sense and are waiting till August, I hope.
Tips for early flowering? I've had coum flower a year from sowing. I think my hederifolium normally flower after 2 years. I use the "Reading method" - for those who don't know about this, google it to find out. I also try to keep the seedlings growing right through their first summer, with no dormant period. How long do your hederifolium take from seed, Graeme?
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Mine not too different from yours Graeme: 2 measures JI No. 3; 1 measure composted bark; 1.5 measures sharp sand; 1.5 measures grit; some bone meal and a scattering of charcoal powder (last one an overhang from my Auricula growing days-supposed to keep the compost sweet). I used to use Perlite but it's such a silly price these days.
Like you I'm never certain about burying or not so I usually give 'em all a shallow burial. Grit top covering. I like your 'slight tilt' idea, too late for me though as, apart from 6 more pots all mine are done.
Do you water any of them over the Summer?
mine is also leftover from auricula growing days - I do have some bags of fine composted bark and will add some this year
I don't get onto the repotting till at least the end of next month
They do get a slight water over summer but just down the side of the pots never anywhere near the growing points - I will post a picture of my watering wand at some stage made from bits of watering parts from screwfix
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Quite late compared to some of mine out in the garden! First hederifolium to flower in the garden was on June 8th. We had about 6 weeks with lots of sun and almost no rain, then a good soaking, which was enough to trigger the flowers. It's only the younger tubers which have done this, the ones which are maybe 3 years from seed. The more mature ones have more sense and are waiting till August, I hope.
Tips for early flowering? I've had coum flower a year from sowing. I think my hederifolium normally flower after 2 years. I use the "Reading method" - for those who don't know about this, google it to find out. I also try to keep the seedlings growing right through their first summer, with no dormant period. How long do your hederifolium take from seed, Graeme?
hi Carolyn - I don't have any plants outside they are all in one of the alpine houses - so don't get much water in summer.
Coum I usually get flowers within the year - and I keep the seed trays under the benching to keep them in growth as much as I can - I am getting really good germination in the plunge beds as well for the seed I miss. Hederifolium usually 2-3 years before I get flowers again I keep them in growth as much as I can when they are small. If anyone has any tips on getting them to grow quicker - I suppose I am a bit impatient :)
I have been treating them to superthrive in the water and this seems to have built them up a bit
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I don't think two years to flower from seed for hederifolium is too bad. As already mentioned, keeping the seedlings growing on for as long as possible helps to build up the tuber to flowering size and the roots to develop. I know some growers prick out seedlings into individual pots at an early stage and this may speed up flowering but I don't have the bench space so mine usually stay in the same pot for 18- 24 months.
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I don't think two years to flower from seed for hederifolium is too bad. As already mentioned, keeping the seedlings growing on for as long as possible helps to build up the tuber to flowering size and the roots to develop. I know some growers prick out seedlings into individual pots at an early stage and this may speed up flowering but I don't have the bench space so mine usually stay in the same pot for 18- 24 months.
thanks Steve - I suppose I am a bit impatient - I expect them to flower as quickly as Coum. :)
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thanks Steve - I suppose I am a bit impatient - I expect them to flower as quickly as Coum. :)
C. purpurascens can be pretty quick too!
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seed set on hederifolium in the alpine house
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This one the seed had not yet matured but is looking very healthy
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Never ceases to delight me to see how the stems curl up like that!
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Never ceases to delight me to see how the stems curl up like that!
And also a useful additional diagnostic feature - the way the pedicels curl can vary from species to species!
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Some cyclamen flowers in the garden:
Cyclamen colchicum
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Cyclamen purpurascens silver leaves
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Cyclamen purpurascens x 4
Cyclamen colchicum
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Cyclamen colchicum
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Cyclamen hederifolium
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Cyclamen hederifolium narrow leaf
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Cyclamen purpurascens
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My friend, Mike Quest, hasn't been at all well of late so I went over to see him today and came back with this lovely Cyclamen graecum 'Glyfada' as well as a large pot of C. africanum and an even larger pot of C. mirabile 'Tilebarn Nicholas'. Although he feels able to cope with his smaller plants the larger ones are proving a bit difficult for him.
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Very sorry to hear that Mike is below par, David - please pass on the very best wishes of both Ian and myself fo a full and speedy recovery.
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Will do Maggi, many thanks.
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Cyclamen graecum is starting here outside at a dry and hot place, also Cyclamen intaminatum
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Cyclamen cilicium from the greenhouse today:-
Cyclamen cilicium a dark form
C. cilicium a light form
C. cilicium forma album
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Cyclamen cilicium from the greenhouse today:-
very elegent
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A patch of Cyclamen hederifolium nestling close to, and indeed growing through, a dwarf Conifer that I've had for the best part of 20 years. I've no idea what the Conifer is so if anyone can tell me that would be nice.
Also below are some leaves from a few C. persicum all grown from seed. I've never tried persicum before and I've never been sure how to grow them but at least I haven't killed them........ yet! Leaf 1 is from AGS seed 13/14-2193 sown November 2014 and described as white with pink nose. Leaf 2 is persicum autumnale from Oron Peri under his code OP 213051, ex Galilee and sown August 2014. Leaf 3 is from SRGS seed 13/14-1244 also sown November 2014. The fourth one is from AGS seed 13/14-2184 also sown November 2014.
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David - Very difficult to say which conifer that is given the distant shot. I will stick my neck out and say that from Nova Scotia it looks like Cryprtomeria japonica 'Vilmoriniana'.
john
25c today after a rather chilly start.
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David - Very difficult to say which conifer that is given the distant shot. I will stick my neck out and say that from Nova Scotia it looks like Cryprtomeria japonica 'Vilmoriniana'.
john
25c today after a rather chilly start.
Thanks for trying John, sometime in the next few days I'll try to get a better, and closer, shot.
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Lovely Cyclamen folk
A few C. hederifolium in the garden and selections
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Cyclamen purpurascens in the rock garden
Cyclamen cilicium just starting
Cyclamen mirabile ex Tilebarn seedling leaves
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Thanks for trying John, sometime in the next few days I'll try to get a better, and closer, shot.
David - A close-up of the foliage would help as well.
john
about 15c & sunny, cool for this date. Snowed in Labrador overnight!
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Quite a few years ago Melvyn Jope kindly sent us some collected wild C. hederifolium seed. The resultant range of leaf patterns was staggering, virtually everything one could hope for. Several years ago Ken planted a few out and they survived until last winter when they turned to slop. Drainage was good and the winter was what we consider a mild one. Luckily we did not test the ones with the best foliage.
In the late 60's I bought a single hederifolium from Cruickshanks Bulbs in Ontario. It survived for years and self-sowed all over the garden even in the front garden thanks to the ants. In the 70's I added pinks and whites. The winter of 1991/1992 was notable in that we had virtually no rain or snow through the winter and while it was not a brutal winter by any means the cold got into the dry ground and caused a lot of damage, even to indestructibles. All the hederifoliums were killed outright. In 1998 one huge hederifolium leaf appeared from exactly where my first purchase was, a shock but it was not quite where it was planted originally and when I tried to dig it I cut the huge corm through the centre.
C. purpurascens is our best species, it responds quickly to a bit of summer rain and can start flowering in late June through till late November in a good year. I think the C. coum we now have will be a good-doer as it goes dormant during our problematic dryish summers. C. hederifolium in its heyday here did have problems - it would frequently not start to flower until October and then get the first frost would knock it flat, only prolonged August to autumn rain would snap it out of dormancy. The deep dormancy issue was likely exacerbated by winter root-damage in this climate so that a few rains were not enough to develop a good root system to jump start it for an early season.
It's clear we need a form of hederifolium from the coldest provenance possible. Also from an area that is very winter wet with frequent freeze-thaws. Perhaps it will simply not fly here. My question is where does one starrt and where to find such a thing?
john
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The first one of the season for me: Cyclamen mirabile
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Has anyone seen a cyclamen do this?
A straight star form.
This is stargazer
John B
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The petals have now folded back.
I did not know of this mechanism.
John
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Thanks for trying John, sometime in the next few days I'll try to get a better, and closer, shot.
John, hope you see this but so as not to clutter-up the Cyclamen thread I have started a new thread for Dwarf Conifer in the Plant ID & Questions Section under Dwarf Conifers
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I keep taking pictures and not doing anything with them. It's time I posted a few.
Cyclamen intaminatum in a large pot with stones (not really a trough). It's been out there two winters now. There is another at the other side of the pot. They both produce a number of flowers but only one or two at a time. The leaves are Soldanella carpatica.
Cyclamen mirabile 3pics - this one was a foliage plant for a long time but now produces lots of flowers and gets better every year. The leaves are good too. Was from SRGC seed labelled 'Tilebarn Nicholas' sown in 2001.
Last picture is also Cyclamen mirabile from the same batch of seed. The plant is smaller, flowers are smaller and paler but the leaves are nearer 'Tilebarn Nicholas'.
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Cyclamen cilicium x 2
Cyclamen colchicum
Cyclamen purpurascens x 2
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Wonderfull mirable pot :o :o
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Cyclamen hederifolium
The strip of gravel between the path and the house
Coming up in the crack between the paving slab and the kerb
Don't know what this is feeding on. Crack between tar driveway and the house wall
A nice dark form
One of my favourites - narrow twisted petals
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Wonderfull mirable pot :o :o
Thank you, Yann
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Your mirabile are stunning, Roma! Mine are way behind, only just showing signs of growth.
I could do with a bit of help with the small cyclamen as in the pictures. I have a number of very cute hens that every so often decide to scrat through my pots of young cyclamen and in doing so they scatter the labels and sometimes the contents of the pots. So I have quite a few unlabelled plants, and this one puzzles me. It could be C.cilicium 'Album', but it is no larger than my largest C.intaminatum and it hasn't got the whispy-ness of cilicium, or the veining of intaminatum.
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From the leaves I'd say it's definitely cilicium.
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Cyclamen yesterday I saw at Babadağ / Muğla
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With those marked auricles and the location, mostly likely to be Cyclamen maritimum (formerly C. graecum subsp. anatolicum). Did any have leaves?
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No Dave, no leaves
By the way this is the only cyclamen I saw whole trip. And I looked for miles on babadağ. Only colchicums were there and drimia maritima on lowlands.
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can it be Cyclamen hederifolium? how do you people differentiate this species :D
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I suggested C maritimum at least partly on the basis of distribution maps which show C hederifolium to occur northwards from the area around Bodrum. I've seen good hederifolium leaves in the spring around Salihli, east of Izmir. Of course there's always a chance that the maps are incomplete. Appearance of the leaves would be a good clue.
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I look at the cyclamen society's website but I cannot see differences between species except for leaves. It is really hard
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Had any of the flowers gone over and set seed? The pedicels of C. hederifolium coil from the top down. In CC. graecum/maritimum they start coiling in the middle.
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Cyclamen mirabile 'Tilebarn Anne' , i like it, easy to please
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Cyclamen mirabile 'Tilebarn Anne' , i like it, easy to please
nice Yann - all the plants of Anne I have are plain leaf - the christmas tree patterned ones I have were all marked Nicholas when I purchased them?
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A nice dark C. herderafolium.
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I've, from seeds, a second generation of TBA on which pattern is almost absent.
TBA normally has no pattern, Nicholas has always a wider pattern.
TBA can also have a 3-4mm dark border or very thin central pattern.
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Had any of the flowers gone over and set seed? The pedicels of C. hederifolium coil from the top down. In CC. graecum/maritimum they start coiling in the middle.
No Matt. 3 flowers, 2 mature, 1 in bud. This is the earliest in the area I think.
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I've, from seeds, a second generation of TBA on which pattern is almost absent.
TBA normally has no pattern, Nicholas has always a wider pattern.
TBA can also have a 3-4mm dark border or very thin central pattern.
Actually, if the leaf isn't a completely plain silver/pewter colour then it really shouldn't be called Tilebarn Anne; an unmarked silver leaf that initially opens bright red is the diagnostic feature for this cultivar. It does highlight though the problem of naming cultivars that have to be propagated from seed and not vegetatively. I just call them mirabile pewter/silver leaf!
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Rigorous selection of the seedlings is always a good idea, especially if they are form a named 'strain'.
I sowed a lot of Cyclamen seed 2 years ago, which meant a lot of potting up this year (380 in total!) Here is one of my frames containing two year old seedlings. This is only about half of them as I have relegated the C. hederifolium plants to the greenhouse at the allotment because they swamp and overshadow the more delicate species in here. I'll be reviewing all of these plants to select the best few to keep, with the 'rejects' being given away to family members to plant in their gardens.
Not much off the starting blocks yet, but C. colchicum is evergreen, here showing lush new foliage. The blue labels remind me to never let them dry out.
C. coum with a good silver leaf.
A few plants of C. graecum have put up leaves, but most are yet to follow.
One of my favourite species, this is my oldest plant of C. intaminatum, putting on a great show this year this is the second flush. I have second generation of offspring from this plant flowering this year - they're also at the allotment because I find this species to be very prolific!
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Actually, if the leaf isn't a completely plain silver/pewter colour then it really shouldn't be called Tilebarn Anne; an unmarked silver leaf that initially opens bright red is the diagnostic feature for this cultivar. It does highlight though the problem of naming cultivars that have to be propagated from seed and not vegetatively. I just call them mirabile pewter/silver leaf!
That's what i wanted to highlight.
I got my bulb from Kirsten (certainly mix of labels during shipping's preparation), seeds from the Cyclamen Society.
My seedlings have much more appareance of TBA. Google TBA, result is a lottery.
Extracted from Grey Wilson's book :
‘Tilebarn Nicholas’ This is one of the most beautiful forms of C. mirabile
selected from one of his own seedlings by Peter Moore. The flowers are those of
an average C. mirabile but the leaves have a dark green ‘Christmas tree’ centre
surrounded by a broad, smooth band of silver. When young the entire upper leaf
surface is suffused with glowing pink, this gradually fading away after some
weeks as the leaf matures, to reveal the broad silver band. Many of the
successive seedlings are equally fine but the plant does not come 100 per cent
true from seed. Some plants come more like the wild plant while others closely
resemble ‘Tilebarn Ann’.
‘‘Tilebarn Ann’ This is very similar in flower to the previous, the prime
difference being in the foliage which is evenly pewtered all over at maturity,
with an attractive pink blush when young.
Matt are you opening a Cyclamen nursery? :o :D
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Matt are you opening a Cyclamen nursery? :o :D
That is exactly what I was thinking yesterday evening.
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C.africanum
C.hederifolium x africanum
C.graecum ssp graecum
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The Cyclamen Society just held a show at Birmingham Botanical Garden.
From Twitter about the Cyclamen Society Show
by Chris howell ...
Just a handful of the beautiful and diverse mix of Cyclamen on display at the Cyclamen Society Autumn Show @BhamBotanicalGd today.
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another tweet from Chris Howell
Congrats to Nigel Hopes, 11 prizes including 8× 1st + James Mars Memorial Trophy at the Cyclamen Society Autumn Show @BhamBotanicalGd
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beatiful cyclamens.
by the way, what is the category of this awards? what is 8 things about cyclamen? best flower, most robust..., ??
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Hi Ardan
Although I never go to any of the shows, I believe you can find the answer to some of your questions on the website of the cyclamen society. Here is a link to the Birmingham show criteria:http://www.cyclamen.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Show-Schedule-Birmingham-Show-2017.pdf (http://www.cyclamen.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Show-Schedule-Birmingham-Show-2017.pdf).
Here's a picture of Cyclamen graecum coming into bloom:
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This is the oldest tuber I have and has flowered well for the last years. This year I had a massive crop of seed, coming to the seedex soon. I bought this as a young plant from a nursery, some 10 years ago. Could anyone identify it further, I would like to know if it is maritimum, candicum or graecum.
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A pot of C. intaminatum, also getting better every year. It appears that old plants are better flowerers for many species.
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Wow that is great. It is nice to have societies of same hobby and appreciation with awards. Such a good motivation for growing plants
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Bart it looks like graecum grecum to me - I have several plants that look very similar. Interesting to hear what others have to say.
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A couple of Cyclamen mirabile from the greenhouse today both with nice leaves.
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..... and a couple of graecum, the second grown from seed from CSE 93643
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Cyclamen cilicium album.
Also a cilicium grown from AGS Exchange seed 10/11-2313 and sown September 2011 that came with the name 'Erna Frank'. I haven't been able to find any further details about this cultivar.
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Again grown from seed Cyclamen mirabile forma niveum ex 'Tilebarn Jan'
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Also a cilicium grown from AGS Exchange seed 10/11-2313 and sown September 2011 that came with the name 'Erna Frank'. I haven't been able to find any further details about this cultivar.
This sheds some light on it, David. Looks like it was her husband Ronald who collected (but they worked as a team), and the original plant was a cilicium forma album...
http://www.agscentralsussex.plus.com/2005-12.PDF (http://www.agscentralsussex.plus.com/2005-12.PDF)
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that's interesting - I had seed of Erna Frank and they just looked like normal cilicium - I didn't realise it's supposed to be an album. I've had similar problems with seed of cilicium "Bowles Var"
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that's interesting - I had seed of Erna Frank and they just looked like normal cilicium - I didn't realise it's supposed to be an album. I've had similar problems with seed of cilicium "Bowles Var"
Mark, I suppose it could be another cultivar of cilicium originally with a distinct flower that was developed by the Franks, but it does seem a bit of a coincidence that they introduced the forma album and there's a variety called 'Erna Frank' in circulation...
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This sheds some light on it, David. Looks like it was her husband Ronald who collected (but they worked as a team), and the original plant was a cilicium forma album...
http://www.agscentralsussex.plus.com/2005-12.PDF (http://www.agscentralsussex.plus.com/2005-12.PDF)
Thanks for the information Steve, very interesting. Guess I'll just grow it as cilicium in the future.
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C. mirabile with a plume moth, Amblyptilia punctidactyla I think.
pale-leaved form
typical cilicium posing as mirabile f. niveum (SRGC 68-1212) >:(
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Nice plant Ashley, that first one. Is it an old plant? I have trouble growing mirabile and cilicium well and do not understand why... see the difference in size between my cilicium album and David's for instance. That's why I wonder if size comes with age?
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Thanks Bart. This plant is probably 7-8 years old, and yes I agree that size generally comes with age. However performance of my C. mirabile (& intaminatum) also fluctuates a bit from year to year, for reasons unknown :-\
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Nothing out of the ordinary this is a silver foliage C. hederifolium with terrific foliage but which rarely bothers to put up many flowers. This year it has gone mad, I'm not complaining mind.
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Fascinating to think how this sort of "enthusiasm" comes about to make so many flowers.
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Maggi you'll have noticed there are no Shows at the moment :(
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The best plants always bloom between shows, Shelagh.
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Cyclamen mirabile. Two plants the same age, seed sown in 2001 from SRGC seedex as Cyclamen mirabile 'Tilebarn Nicholas'. Second plant is half the size of the first.
First pics from September 1st. Second ones today.
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Great plants with so beautiful leaves. I like this species very much.
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Wonderful Roma, I'm very envious.
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You grow some lovely Cyclamen Roma.
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Typical to have such treasures when there is no show...... but a delight to enjoy them here at least.
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There is of course the display at the Late Bulb Day, this Saturday... I'm sure Roma will bring some Cyclamen along if she is coming :)
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Brilliant idea!
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There is of course the display at the Late Bulb Day, this Saturday... I'm sure Roma will bring some Cyclamen along if she is coming :)
I'll be there and will bring along as many different Cyclamen as I can. I might even have Cyclamen cyprium with one flower ;D
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Nice to see you are now getting flowers on your Cyclamen graecum, David. It just needs patience ( and seed from good plants to start with).
Here are two of my Cyclamen graecum. They are both from seed of CSE collected plants.
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I'll be there and will bring along as many different Cyclamen as I can. I might even have Cyclamen cyprium with one flower ;D
The most flowers I've ever had on C.cyprium at any one time is 3! It is a shy flowerer! See you soon, Roma!
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I'll be there and will bring along as many different Cyclamen as I can. I might even have Cyclamen cyprium with one flower ;D
Roma looking forward to seeing your lovely Cyclamen on Saturday.
Angie :)
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Nice to see you are now getting flowers on your Cyclamen graecum, David. It just needs patience ( and seed from good plants to start with).
I still struggle on with my seed sown graecum Roma (earliest 2008!) and not a single flower yet and I sow more Exchange seed roughly every other year. All the ones in flower that I've posted have been passed on to me by friend Mike Quest. Now, he is a good grower.
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Maggi you'll have noticed there are no Shows at the moment :(
There's always the AGS on-line Show!
I've already put in a few entries
cheers
fermi
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This cyclamen I grew from seed I found in a wood in Dacia, Turkey in October 1995.. It took a couple of years to germinate and then produced leaves year after year. The corm grew to 10cms and then it started rotting in winter. I cut the corm in half, dusted it in sulphur and repotted it in this large clay pot. It sulked for about 3 years and then started growing again producing some leaves but never a flower. Last year I got two flowers. This year it may at last produce a decent flowering as I can see many flower stems coming up from the corm. The largest leaf is 20cms. in length.
My other cyclamens grow like weeds and every pot of bulbs I have eventually produces some cyclamens That's why I am rather proud of this one. Patience has it's own reward !
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We've been growing this Cyclamen persicum (ex Israel) from the AGS Seedex 2005 but only managed to flower it in the shade-house.
After Otto planted out one that I gave him in the garden at FCHS Hall and it did so well I started planting some small tubers out around the garden.
These under a Rowan have flowered for the first time,
cheers
fermi
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This cyclamen I grew from seed I found in a wood in Dacia, Turkey in October 1995.. It took a couple of years to germinate and then produced leaves year after year. The corm grew to 10cms and then it started rotting in winter. I cut the corm in half, dusted it in sulphur and repotted it in this large clay pot. It sulked for about 3 years and then started growing again producing some leaves but never a flower. Last year I got two flowers. This year it may at last produce a decent flowering as I can see many flower stems coming up from the corm. The largest leaf is 20cms. in length.
My other cyclamens grow like weeds and every pot of bulbs I have eventually produces some cyclamens That's why I am rather proud of this one. Patience has it's own reward !
Keep them dry and rather warm during summer. I think this is the best way to get more flowers. I have plants outside that have never flowered whereas my potted plant in a warm bulb frame is full of flowers.
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Cyclamen cilicicum outside.
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Have a look at this thread http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15687.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15687.0) to see more of the Late Bulb Day, cyclamen and a link to Sandy Leven's report in the main website.
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" Keep them dry and rather warm during summer."
The plant is permanently kept in the glasshouse BUT in the west of Scotland, an average summer temperature is 18/20°C ,so heat is a difficulty. We are best suited for growing Meconopsis, Primula and tender Rhododendrons.
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" Keep them dry and rather warm during summer."
The plant is permanently kept in the glasshouse BUT in the west of Scotland, an average summer temperature is 18/20°C ,so heat is a difficulty. We are best suited for growing Meconopsis, Primula and tender Rhododendrons.
Yes I understand your problem and I have problems with Nomocharis and Lilium that need cool conditions. I have never got any flower of Lilium mackliniae for example and gave up to grow Meconopsis.
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From the greenhouse today:-
Cyclamen africanum, this from Mike Quest.
C. cilicium, from seed from Tony Willis and sown September 2011
C. intaminatum
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One of my Cyclamen mirabile 'Tilebarn Nicholas' has a good colour this year after years of sulking:
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We discovered this Cyclamen repandum has somehow survived on the shady side of the house.
The bed where it lives does get watered during the summer so that may explain it,
cheers
fermi
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Cyclamen mirable doing its best to impress.
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....and doing a darn good job, too! Very showy!
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Cyclamen graecum subsp candicum, plus hoverfly.
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beautiful Cyclamen
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Hans Joschko has sent me the shocking news that Jan Bravenboer, of Green Ice Nursery, and famous for his fine cyclamen, has passed away. Jan was only 65 years old.
I am sure many will join with me in sending condolences to his wife Mieke and all their family at this sad time.
Hans also sent me this link to an obituary for Jan, https://www.naktuinbouw.nl/over-naktuinbouw/nieuws/memoriam-jan-bravenboer (https://www.naktuinbouw.nl/over-naktuinbouw/nieuws/memoriam-jan-bravenboer) which I show here in translation....
In memoriam Jan Bravenboer
Publication Date News: October 02, 2017
"Our colleague Jan Bravenboer (65) died on a sabbath on Saturday the 30th of September. Jan was employed by Naktuinbouw as senior employee Rassenonderzoek, with specialisation in Roses, Alstroemeria, Agapanthus, Bouvardia, Ficus and Pentas.
Career
Jan started his career in 1969 at the National Test Station for Seed Control as a laboratory worker. Later he joined the Wageningen UR. First at the CPRO-DLO component, then at Plant Research International WOT Unit CGN. He was an assistant researcher there.
Passion for rose and Alstroemeria
On January 1, 2006, Naktuinbouw took over the breeders' survey of Wageningen UR. Jan then joined Naktuinbouw as senior employee Rassenonderzoek. In his work, Jan mainly focused on the technical DUS research in the crops Rose and Alstroemeria.
Thoughts
Our thoughts and our compassion go first to Mieke (Jan's wife), family and immediate neighbors. We wish them a lot of strength in this so sad period. Jan remains in our mind as a man with a lot of passion for Alstroemerias, Bouvardia and Roses. And with a big heart for ornamental plants and other ornamental plants.
May Jan rest in peace.
Management, staff and management Naktuinbouw."
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Jan Bravenboer - photo from Facebook by Arjan de Graaf
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I had been in contact with Jan for many years both buying his plants and assisting him with his advertising in The Rock Garden, the last time only in mid-September. He was a gentleman and a pleasure to deal with and I know that he will be sadly missed not only by me personally but I'm sure by Cyclamen growers throughout the UK.
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Very sad news.....Hope he will find a safe journey. R.I.P. :'(
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Indeed - very sad!
I just thought of him when I prepared seeds of his splendid Cyclamen coum elegans Reiko for sending to the seed distribution.
Gerd
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It is indeed terrible news. First Peter Moore earlier this year and now Jan. He was a great friend and supporter of the Cyclamen Society. There can't be many visitors to the Wisley shows who could resist buying one of the many varieties of cyclamen he and Mieke brought over from Holland every year. He will be greatly missed.
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I'm shocked to hear the news...
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oh that is sad, Jan and I swapped seed before he started the nursery and I bought from him several times. what a shame
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Cyclamen hederifolium part 1.
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Cyclamen hederifolium part 2.
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Cyclamen hederifolium part 3.
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Super, Johan, particularly the ones with the sagittage leaves. The final one is a cracker!
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You are growing these very well, Johan - a show in itself!
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Johan you own a very nice and clean collection, wonderful!!
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Thanks for the compliments.
All together it gives this result.
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without any comparison here baby Cyclamen mirabile from seeds of the Cyclamen Society
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The two photos are of Cyclamen Balearicum grown from seed from the 2015 seed ex. This is the first time I have grown Balearicum and according to the books it should not flower until March. From the photos is it the correct plant or something else? I would be interested for any opinions.
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From seed Cyclamen cyprium ex 'ES'
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From Mike Quest's greenhouse today, Cyclamen africanum, a Jim Archibald collection that Mike obtained from Jo Hynes a couple of years ago. The label reads as follows "C. africanum, Archibald 0358000. Ex Algeria, Labylie. E. of Azazga, 850m. Oak scrub. 1/08 "[attachimg=1][attachimg=2]
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Some other Cyclamen from Mike's greenhouse.
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I think Mike said he got these from the Discussion Weekend a couple of years ago as Cyclamen x hilderbrandii, one white flowered and one pink, and he has them in his garden. In his book Chris Grey-Wilson says of x hilderbrandii ""...... unfortunately the hybrid origin of plants in cultivation often has to be doubted and some I have been shown as putative hybrids fit comfortably into the range of variation of ordinary hederifolium....."". I note that CG-W refers only to pink. Perhaps if the pictures are good enough one of the Cyclamen experts could give a view on these.
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I think Mike said he got these from the Discussion Weekend a couple of years ago as Cyclamen x hilderbrandii, one white flowered and one pink, and he has them in his garden. In his book Chris Grey-Wilson says of x hilderbrandii ""...... unfortunately the hybrid origin of plants in cultivation often has to be doubted and some I have been shown as putative hybrids fit comfortably into the range of variation of ordinary hederifolium....."". I note that CG-W refers only to pink. Perhaps if the pictures are good enough one of the Cyclamen experts could give a view on these.
I assume, given the parentage, that the hybrid isn't as hardy as hederifolium? The Cyclamen Society has this to say:
C. africanum is closely related to C. hederifolium. In the wild their ranges do not overlap but in cultivation they readily hybridise – C. x hildebrandii. C. africanum is generally a bigger plant, much less hardy, has a more spherical tuber, roots from the entire surface (flatter and generally bare of roots on the base in C. hederifolium) and has yellow anthers (rust coloured in C. hederifolium).
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I assume, given the parentage, that the hybrid isn't as hardy as hederifolium?
The "accepted wisdom" here is that is you aren't sure if you have C. hederifolium or C. africanum, leave it exposed to frost and if it dies it was C. africanum!
Reminds me of dunking witches!
cheers
fermi
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I assume, given the parentage, that the hybrid isn't as hardy as hederifolium? The Cyclamen Society has this to say:
C. africanum is closely related to C. hederifolium. In the wild their ranges do not overlap but in cultivation they readily hybridise – C. x hildebrandii. C. africanum is generally a bigger plant, much less hardy, has a more spherical tuber, roots from the entire surface (flatter and generally bare of roots on the base in C. hederifolium) and has yellow anthers (rust coloured in C. hederifolium).
Thanks Steve. Maybe we shall have to have a look at the tubers at some point?
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Last few flowers on my best Cyclamen mirabile on October 10th. It has been looking good for over a month.
A bit of a disappointment. Not only is it not niveum I think it is Cyclamen cilicium not mirabile :'(
Cyclamen intaminatum in a large pot with rocks. Flowers over a long period but usually just two or three flowers at a time.
Cyclamen cilicium album
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I have 4 Cyclamen graecum which are doing quite well and a lot which produce only leaves. I think I had over 30 seedlings and young plants before the 2010-2011 winter.
The secret to getting good Cyclamen is to grow a lot and they will self select.
The white one was bought from Paul Christian many years ago. The others are from Cyclamen Society seeds from wild collected plants
Cyclamen cyprium
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A bit of a disappointment. Not only is it not niveum I think it is Cyclamen cilicium not mirabile :'(
Same here (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14983.msg381656#msg381656) Roma. This seed also included C. cilicium var. album and even what looks like a plant of C. persicum, yet to flower.
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A link brought to my attention by Tim Ingram .... http://helenie.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/au-royaume-du-cyclamen.html (http://helenie.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/au-royaume-du-cyclamen.html)
A French reaction to a Tilebarn visit - which serves to remind us what has been lost with the passing of Peter Moore and just how captivating and various a genus that Cyclamen is.
Thanks, Tim!
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Tilebarn had numerous french customers, we made grouped pruchases and dispatched the precious bulbs in the country.
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CYCLAMEN 2018
One for your 2018 Diary..........
Cyclamen 2018 will be held at RHS Harlow Carr on Saturday and Sunday the 15 and 16 of September 2018. Show, plant sales, displays, talks, demonstrations and expert advice.
Full details of the the programme will be produced later in the year
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A few flats of Cyclamen hederifolium from Melvyn's seed. Marvelous foliage but unfortunately the few we tried in the garden only lived a year and a half. I reckon they must be a southern strain and/or it's simply too wet here in the freeze-thaw winters.
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Very beautiful plants indeed. I never made it to such beauty in a planter. But Jan Bravenboer has left with his seeds a lot of very beautiful footsteps in my garden.
Such gardeners will be remembered a long time with his beauties in a lot of gardens all over the world. I always give seedlings from these away with his name.
The first one is quite large 50 cm across a single plant.
Some have now leafs up to 15 cm long and they will grow until May.
Thank you Jan.
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Very beautiful plants indeed. I never made it to such beauty in a planter. But Jan Bravenboer has left with his seeds a lot of very beautiful footsteps in my garden.
Such gardeners will be remembered a long time with his beauties in a lot of gardens all over the world. I always give seedlings from these away with his name.
The first one is quite large 50 cm across a single plant.
Some have now leafs up to 15 cm long and they will grow until May.
Thank you Jan.
Wonderful memories.
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all of those hederifolium are stunning leaf forms - nice silver arrow in the first photo far right
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Not sure about the first one - labelled Cyclamen coum but I think it looks more like hederifolium
Cyclamen alpinum
Cyclamen persicum cultivar - I planted 6 in this container in late September (bought in Homebase). I was amazed how tiny the tubers are to support so many robust flowers and leaves
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Roma, the first one could be coum depending on the leaf size. I have one like that - the leaves are very thick - it has a dark flower which has an odd nose.
Re the alpinum - the leaves look right(ish) but the flower shape isn't and there seems to be a pale spot on the mouth of the flower - it should be a continuous dark blotch. Having said that I have seen alpinum (or a hybrid) with a pale mouth) and plenty of coums with continuous blotches.
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Mark, the plants don't read the books ;D The coum has quite small leaves which are rather wavy. I've had this in hederifolium but have not seen it in coum. I'll know once it flowers. I had my doubts about the alpinum too but as you say the leaves look right(ish) but the flower shape is wrong. It is the first flower in a pot of seedlings so it will be interesting to see more flowers.
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Mark, the plants don't read the books ;D The coum has quite small leaves which are rather wavy. I've had this in hederifolium but have not seen it in coum. I'll know once it flowers. I had my doubts about the alpinum too but as you say the leaves look right(ish) but the flower shape is wrong. It is the first flower in a pot of seedlings so it will be interesting to see more flowers.
Is the alpinum scented, Roma? I find the scent quite distinctive on this species. As you say, the flower shape doesn't look right. Possibly Cyclamen x drydeniae, with this example expressing more of the coum in the flower than alpinum?
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Good question Steve, I was going to mention that but I got distracted. Alpinum should have a honey scent.
Re the hybrid - I'm curious whether another has made the hybrid - or is it that they are presumed because they look intermediate? I wonder the same about the graecum hybrid and a few of the others.
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Not sure about the first one - labelled Cyclamen coum but I think it looks more like hederifolium
Roma - I have a coum that looks exactly like that one - it came via Mrs R Wallis - the leaves are very plain - very pale and wavey
First year I thought it had virus - but its same again this year - flower is good strong colour with a deep purple nose
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Roma - I have a coum that looks exactly like that one - it came via Mrs R Wallis - the leaves are very plain - very pale and wavey
First year I thought it had virus - but its same again this year - flower is good strong colour with a deep purple nose
No sign of flowers on that one yet. Will have to wait a while for a positive id.
First Cyclamen coum flowers of the season
More flowers opening on the ? alpinum. I think it may be a different tuber are there are more than one in the pot.
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Roma, the two flowers in the front look like alpinum assuming that is as reflexed as the get - if you look at the nose it should be a dark blotch with no paler part as it goes into the throat. It would also probably smell of honey.
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I like to grow wild cyclamens indoors. I have bought C.purpurascens in different nurseries in 2012-14 and they are growing on four different windowsills. My seedlings of C.purpurascens (seeds obtained from different sources, I can describe the source of the seeds for any of the plants) were grown in the most warm room in the house (temperature rarely dips below 18C and is usually around 20-22C). They germinated in June-July of 2015 and June-July of 2016 and grow under daylight fluorescent lamps (lights are on 17hrs/day). The photographs below were made 1 Dec - 9 Dec 2017.
The photographs are too numerous to be posted here but I have posted them at https://photo.kirill-research.com/cyclamens_12-Dec-2017 (https://photo.kirill-research.com/cyclamens_12-Dec-2017)
You can click on any of the photographs to see the original (big) version of it.
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Hallo Elena,
Your kitchen has a new function :-)
This lookes good. Have You a garden to plant out the seedlings?
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Hallo Elena,
Your kitchen has a new function :-)
Thiss lookes good. Have You a garden to plant out the seedlings?
Harald-Alex,
I like my kitchen much more since I can enjoy looking at the cyclamens for most of the day and remember Bravenboer who sent me the seeds of the wonderful cyclamens. As for the garden, I will not see my cyclamens because huge crowds of vine weevils, slugs, snails and cats will be delighted to meet them; frogs will be indifferent and I'm not sure of the opinion of the badgers.
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Not sure about the first one - labelled Cyclamen coum but I think it looks more like hederifolium
Repotted this one and the tuber is definitely hederifolium.