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Title: Narcissus December
Post by: annew on December 02, 2016, 10:46:01 PM: Anti-cat Plan D. Maybe the big stones will deter them, and hopefully the bulbs won't mind.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Matt T on December 03, 2016, 08:34:33 AM: Hope this solution works, Anne! Those cats are a pest. Most bulbs thrive when growing under rocks.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: ian mcdonald on December 03, 2016, 10:50:02 AM: In my garden it is not the cats that damage plants, it is what they leave.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: annew on December 03, 2016, 03:00:54 PM: In leaving said gifts, they can damage the bulbs as well.
No incursions overnight.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Maggi Young on December 03, 2016, 03:04:42 PM: Ian has made a similar attempt to keep the mice out of one of our sand beds. Idea is that it will be too uncomfortable for them to dig up the bulbs. Oddly enough, the visiting cats have not bothered much with this bed - though it may be tht it was such a good hunting spot they avoided using it s a latrine for that reason. Either that or the cats are much more bothered by the proximity of the Small White terriers than the mice are!
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Matt T on December 03, 2016, 08:47:52 PM: Quote from: annew on December 03, 2016, 03:00:54 PM
No incursions overnight.

Hooray! Long may it last.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: YT on December 04, 2016, 01:33:46 AM: Quote from: annew on December 03, 2016, 03:00:54 PM
No incursions overnight.
Hoping it would be a final solution, Anne ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: fermi de Sousa on December 04, 2016, 04:55:46 AM: Just be glad you don't have echidnas, Anne!
The stones would have to be a lot heavier ;D
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: annew on December 05, 2016, 02:42:44 PM: I thought cats were bad enough! Still no digging. :D
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Rogan on December 06, 2016, 08:28:59 PM: Here we have super-sized echidnas - porcupine! And they love bulbs of all descriptions ::)
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Rafa on December 07, 2016, 12:44:05 PM: This is Narcissus antiatlanticus, it blooms when N. broussonetii is fructifying.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: fermi de Sousa on December 07, 2016, 02:23:36 PM: Wow, Rafa :o
I don't think that I've seen that one before!
Quite amazing - it's like someone has taken a pair of fine scissors and cut out the corona from a bunch of Paperwhites!
What is the scent like?
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Yann on December 10, 2016, 03:02:29 PM: Narcissus romieuxii ssp albidus var zaianicus is the first to bloom here, an outstanding value during winter.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: ian mcdonald on December 10, 2016, 08:59:16 PM: One way to deter cats is to adopt a leopard.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Gail on December 10, 2016, 10:06:24 PM: Quote from: ian mcdonald on December 10, 2016, 08:59:16 PM
One way to deter cats is to adopt a leopard.
Are you speaking from experience there??
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Yann on December 10, 2016, 11:49:32 PM: I wanted to get rid of neighbours cats digging my bulbs and making their dirt among precious plants...
after many trials i've found the ultimate solution that works for 4 months : ultrasonic repellents.
Before i found the good ones, i tried 4 brands and get refund within one week, none working on cats.
A friend who's a pigeon breeder lent me a model he used and it was a miracle.
Without any advertising for a brand, i bought PestBye models (sold in UK by Primrose, Amazon, etc).

No more cats in the garden and greenhouse ;D My bulbs and birds say thank u!
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Cfred72 on December 11, 2016, 08:56:30 AM: The only Narcissus in flower with us for now: Narcissus cantabricus

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I also place a small photo of the foliage of Narcissus serotinus that appears this year.
I know it will not flourish this year. I show it because I told you about my worries about this Narcissus. I bought it at a dry plant fair in late November 2015. It showed no signs of life except that the bulb in September 2016 was still intact.

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Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: brianw on December 11, 2016, 01:20:34 PM: Re: Pest control.
Do you turn it off when people are around to stop running the batteries down?
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Yann on December 11, 2016, 02:36:29 PM: the sensor detect size of the masse, when i garden around it only power on once, 3-4sec then the sensor power off the stuff.
It really works well, after 4 months the batteries are still at 80% of their charge, nice surprise.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Gabriela on December 11, 2016, 06:50:08 PM: Quote from: Yann on December 11, 2016, 02:36:29 PM
the sensor detect size of the masse, when i garden around it only power on once, 3-4sec then the sensor power off the stuff.
It really works well, after 4 months the batteries are still at 80% of their charge, nice surprise.

I was thinking of something like this for the rabbits Yann; what distance has to be in between 2 of them, or better said the sq. area covered/each ?
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: ian mcdonald on December 11, 2016, 08:34:37 PM: Gail, adverts encourage us to adopt a leopard. I had to send mine back because it got too big for the house due to eating the local cat population.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Steve Garvie on December 11, 2016, 09:40:23 PM: Quote from: ian mcdonald on December 10, 2016, 08:59:16 PM
One way to deter cats is to adopt a leopard.

Have you adopted many leopards? ;)
I find them a tad unpredictable. Friendly one minute .........and then not.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5482/11323248266_a397825fe2_z_d.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2819/12194084965_57bf7f6287_z_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: David Nicholson on December 13, 2016, 12:03:07 PM: Narcissus 'Jessamy'
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Cfred72 on December 13, 2016, 02:40:59 PM: David, Is it a selection of Narcissus cantabricus?
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: YT on December 13, 2016, 05:23:41 PM: Quote from: David Nicholson on December 13, 2016, 12:03:07 PM
Narcissus 'Jessamy'
A nice hybrid hoop, David :)

Quote from: Cfred72 on December 13, 2016, 02:40:59 PM
Is it a selection of Narcissus cantabricus?
Fred, see the link below ;)

Narcissus 'Jessamy'
http://daffseek.org/detail-page/?cultivar=Jessamy&auto=1 (http://daffseek.org/detail-page/?cultivar=Jessamy&auto=1)
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on December 13, 2016, 05:49:59 PM: Quote from: David Nicholson on December 13, 2016, 12:03:07 PM
Narcissus 'Jessamy'

Great looking plant, David !
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Matt T on December 13, 2016, 06:28:39 PM: Quote from: David Nicholson on December 13, 2016, 12:03:07 PM
Narcissus 'Jessamy'

Congratulations, David! Pretty little thing, isn't she?
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Cfred72 on December 13, 2016, 07:47:06 PM: Quote from: YT on December 13, 2016, 05:23:41 PM
A nice hybrid hoop, David :)
Fred, see the link below ;)

Narcissus 'Jessamy'
http://daffseek.org/detail-page/?cultivar=Jessamy&auto=1 (http://daffseek.org/detail-page/?cultivar=Jessamy&auto=1)

Thanks Tatsuo ;) . There are some in the mix all the same. It is true that it is a beautiful hybrid.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: YT on December 15, 2016, 05:19:00 AM: Narcissus ‘Hatsuyuki’ with 2 extra petals.
It’s the first hoop this season.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Cfred72 on December 15, 2016, 03:37:42 PM: Quote from: YT on December 15, 2016, 05:19:00 AM
Narcissus ‘Hatsuyuki’ with 2 extra petals.
It’s the first hoop this season.

Do the eight sepals form each year?
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Gerdk on December 15, 2016, 06:17:59 PM: This year a part of the autumn flowering daffodils are still flourishing while some of them
built capsules.

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Maggi Young on December 15, 2016, 06:29:28 PM: Were you pollinating them, Gerd?
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Gerdk on December 15, 2016, 06:53:25 PM: Maggi,
Unfortunately I don't. It doesn't make sense because the seeds abort, even with the capsule shown here.
Temperatures are much too low here (I don't give artificial heat).

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Maggi Young on December 15, 2016, 07:11:48 PM: Yes, difficult at this time of year to get seed set - hard enough for the spring narcissus.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: YT on December 16, 2016, 01:35:23 PM: A lovely N. miniatus selection, Gerd :D Looks like a tazetta or a poeticus :P

Narcissus ‘Hatsuyuki’ with 8 tepals today.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: YT on December 16, 2016, 01:45:30 PM: Quote from: Cfred72 on December 15, 2016, 03:37:42 PM
Do the eight sepals form each year?

I have several flowers with 1 or 2 extra tepal/s every year but I'm not sure these from the same specific bulbs.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: David Nicholson on December 16, 2016, 03:29:58 PM: That one is very nice Tatsuo.

Couple of mine from today:-

Narcissus 'Camoro' looking a bit scruffy
N. 'Taffeta'

edit by maggi - Please note , this narcissus is 'Camoro'
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Rob on December 17, 2016, 01:34:42 PM: Narcissus Cedric Morris flowering today.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Maggi Young on December 17, 2016, 02:12:09 PM: Perfect little daff, isn't it?
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Yann on December 17, 2016, 04:09:57 PM: Narcissus romieuxii zaianicus looks fragile but it's a good increaser (10 days after the first photo).
Gloomy day with huge fog that's not easy to catch colors.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Gabriela on December 17, 2016, 05:08:39 PM: Quote from: Yann on December 17, 2016, 04:09:57 PM
Narcissus romieuxii zaianicus looks fragile but it's a good increaser (10 days after the first photo).
Gloomy day with huge fog that's not easy to catch colors.

What a nice bouquet Yann!
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: annew on December 17, 2016, 05:13:03 PM: Beautiful hoops, all :D
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: David Nicholson on December 17, 2016, 06:51:14 PM: Quote from: David Nicholson on December 16, 2016, 03:29:58 PM
That one is very nice Tatsuo.

Couple of mine from today:-

Narcissus 'Camoro' looking a bit scruffy
N. 'Taffeta'

edit by maggi - Please note , this narcissus is 'Camoro'

Thanks for the edit on 'Camoro' Maggi I've amended my file pictures too. I get it wrong every year-must try harder!
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Maggi Young on December 17, 2016, 07:23:50 PM: Remember it by its origin, David - CAntabricus MOnophyllus ROmieuxii :)
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Cfred72 on December 18, 2016, 09:37:28 AM: Quote from: Rob on December 17, 2016, 01:34:42 PM
Narcissus Cedric Morris flowering today.

Too bad it is so hard to find.
For three years I have been looking for it on the plant fairs but to no avail.
It is truly magnificent.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Maggi Young on December 18, 2016, 01:54:52 PM: Fred - try MacPlants http://www.macplants.co.uk (http://www.macplants.co.uk) - always worth asking them they may have only a few.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Rob on December 18, 2016, 02:24:42 PM: I got my 'Cedric Morris' in 2012.

Thank you for your enquiry. We can take orders over the phone for N Cedric Morris. Maximum of two flowering bulbs per customer for delivery in the green in Jan 2012. We are not making it available on the website as we have very limited stock.
Michael Loftus
Woottens Plants, Woottens Plants, Blackheath, Wenhaston, Halesworth, Suffolk, IP19 9HD, UNITED KINGDOM

Two bulbs are now four, so it is slow to increase in my garden.

I noticed Beth Chatto listed it this year, even though I thought the price with postage was expensive, it's now sold out.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: YT on December 18, 2016, 02:30:31 PM: Quote from: Maggi Young on December 18, 2016, 01:54:52 PM
Fred - try MacPlants http://www.macplants.co.uk (http://www.macplants.co.uk) - always worth asking them they may have only a few.

"Unfortunately we are unable to send to The Channel Islands or addresses outside of the UK at present."

This is the reality :'( But I'm hoping someday I would find a nursery with healthy Cedric Morris bulbs...
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: YT on December 18, 2016, 02:32:37 PM: Narcissus ‘Shirayukihime’
Another 7-tepal flower. It has several extra tepal/s flowers every year. Perhaps this hybrid is something different to the normal ones.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Matt T on December 20, 2016, 01:48:02 PM: Quote from: Rob on December 18, 2016, 02:24:42 PM
I noticed Beth Chatto listed it this year, even though I thought the price with postage was expensive, it's now sold out.

Beth Chatto lists it every year, and every year it is out of stock.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Mike Ireland on December 20, 2016, 02:28:24 PM: Narcissus Jessamy grown from seed sown many years ago. Looks more yellow than most images on the internet.
Is the name correct? All the flowers seem very much alike in colour.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: ashley on December 20, 2016, 02:43:30 PM: Very nice Mike.
If it's from seed then presumably it's 'ex Jessamy' so likely to show more variation and partly reflect the population from which the parent clone was selected.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Matt T on December 20, 2016, 03:25:54 PM: 'Jessamy' is a hybrid between N. romieuxii and N. cantabricus var. foliosus. You're plant, Mike does look more yellow than I'd expect of 'Jessamy', so you may have a seedling that more closely resembles the seed parent N. romieuxii. It's a lovely specimen.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: ashley on December 20, 2016, 03:53:31 PM: Thanks for pointing this out Matt, and apologies for the confusion Mike :-[
An F1 hybrid should be uniform so clonal selection doesn't arise, but seedlings (F2 etc.) will not come true.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Mike Ireland on December 20, 2016, 08:42:38 PM: Matt/Ashley, thanks for the comments. They have flowered previously but rarely all at once.
They do appear to be very uniform in colour & shape. One of my better efforts.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: YT on December 21, 2016, 11:43:28 AM: Narcissus ‘Craigton Chorister’ :) :) :)
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: YT on December 21, 2016, 12:28:11 PM: A bunch of self pollinated seedlings from Narcissus romieuxii subsp. albidus var. zaianicus, MS168 and their parent flower.

I bought the parent pot in Jan. 2011 and noticed soon later that the plant affected by virus :( Then I threw it away after collecting the seeds.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Maggi Young on December 21, 2016, 12:37:25 PM: Quote from: YT on December 21, 2016, 11:43:28 AM
Narcissus ‘Craigton Chorister’ :) :) :)

Now that's a picture full of seasonal cheer! Thanks Tatsuo!
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Maggi Young on December 27, 2016, 06:02:35 PM: Quote from: Rob on December 17, 2016, 01:34:42 PM
Narcissus Cedric Morris

For those looking for this daffodil, it may be worth asking Cornovium Snowdrops if they have any ... http://www.cornoviumsnowdrops.co.uk/ (http://www.cornoviumsnowdrops.co.uk/)
Their online shop opens next month ....... mostly snowdrops of course .....
"Our website will reopen on the 1 January 2017. Orders to customers in the UK and EU will be posted out from the week beginning the 9 January 2017.
It will be the third year of us being delighted to offer customers in the US the opportunity to purchase bulbs to be sent dormant in the summer months.
If you have any questions please feel free to contact us.
Best wishes,
Jane and Dave"
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: YT on December 30, 2016, 06:35:03 AM: Narcissus ‘Hatsuyuki’, a double headed.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Cfred72 on December 30, 2016, 08:01:00 AM: Very nice photos Tatsuo.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Alan_b on December 30, 2016, 08:57:15 AM: I would strongly recommend 'Cedric Morris' if you can get hold of it. I was lucky enough to get one at a "snowdrop lunch" hosted by forum member RichardW a few years ago. I think the bulbs may have been donated by forum member kentish_lass but were not snapped-up as fast as some of the other snowdrop donations so I ended up taking them home without then knowing what I was getting. I have grown mine in the open garden ever since (I live in Cambridgeshire, UK). My first flower opened just after Xmas, it has bulked-up gradually and I think there are two more buds this year. Three flowers would be one more than last year. This narcissus seems to be in a league of its own with regard to hardiness and early-flowering and it blends-in very well with those snowdrops flowering now as it is of similar stature.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: annew on December 30, 2016, 01:32:21 PM: Nice to see all your beauties, Tatsuo, double headed hoops! Does it always do that?
Here are my Craigton Chorister making a very fine show.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: YT on December 31, 2016, 06:57:41 AM: Quote from: annew on December 30, 2016, 01:32:21 PM
Nice to see all your beauties, Tatsuo, double headed hoops! Does it always do that?
Here are my Craigton Chorister making a very fine show.

Thanks Anne, your CC flowers are very nice :D

N. ‘Hatsuyuki’ does not always become double header but several plants do every season.
Both normal single and double flowered stems come from a same bulb.
There are 3 double headers from N. ‘Hatsuyuki’ this season.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Yann on December 31, 2016, 02:20:33 PM: After 3 years without any sign of buds Narcissus viridiflora is flowering
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on December 31, 2016, 06:43:52 PM: Are you sure that's viridiflora? Looks too yellow.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: ArnoldT on December 31, 2016, 09:08:05 PM: I would say as well.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Yann on December 31, 2016, 09:35:53 PM: Yes they came from nijssen who retail the 4 american hybrids.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: ArnoldT on December 31, 2016, 10:15:56 PM: Here it is.

https://nijssentuin.nl/home/7016-Narcissus-viridiflora-I6.html
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: fermi de Sousa on January 01, 2017, 05:48:02 AM: Hi Yann,
Having a look at their website they label these as "Viridiflorus I" to "Viridiflorus V" so these are most likely hybrids and not the true species.
Will you self it for seed or do you have other pollen to try on it?
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Cfred72 on January 01, 2017, 10:11:26 AM: The second time I spoke with Geert Nijssen, he told me that they are hybrids. That is why they bear the name vridiflora and not viridiflorus. He proposes six for sale. I have the numbers 1, 2, 3, 5 and novelty in its assortment, shape with many sepals. They will all flourish at home this year.
Geert assumes that it is a hybrid with Narcissus poeticus. Last year, I tried to pollinate the viridiflora. I had only sterile pods. I also deposited pollen on Narcissus pseudonarcissus. I harvested seeds. We will see if the crossing is successful.[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Yann on January 01, 2017, 12:59:03 PM: Gonna try to itself pollinate but i'm pretty sure i'll have steril pods.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 01, 2017, 03:27:51 PM: Quote from: Yann on December 31, 2016, 09:35:53 PM
Yes they came from nijssen who retail the 4 american hybrids.
Ah, yes, I have those, not flowering yet. Hybrids with poeticus.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on January 01, 2017, 03:31:03 PM: Should be Narcissus 'Viridiflora'.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Cfred72 on January 01, 2017, 03:56:40 PM: It is "viridiflora " and not viridiflorus ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: Yann on January 01, 2017, 04:20:06 PM: The foliage is glaucous as poeticus, stems are strong. In the trade jonquilla x viridiflorus and poeticus actea x viridiflorus are found.
Title: Re: Narcissus December
Post by: annew on January 02, 2017, 09:35:32 AM: They are very nice, whatever they are.