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Title: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Ru on December 06, 2015, 08:21:34 PM
Finish! Today, all the plants in the greenhouse, already. Frost after two days. I had time!
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Maggi Young on December 06, 2015, 08:40:07 PM
Ru, how well your   alpin-pit has turned out!   I will repeat all your photos here to show them all together. [attachimg=1]

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Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Maggi Young on December 06, 2015, 08:42:32 PM
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Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Maggi Young on December 06, 2015, 08:54:15 PM
and Ru's last  pix.... after 180 tonnes of soil and clay excavated....

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 Nearly all pots have galanthus in them!   It will be much easier to keep the pots from freezing in this  deep  pit-house than it would in an above ground greenhouse.

Impressive, isn't it? !!! 8) 8) 8)

Added  later in December - Ru's  example of temperature comparison, inside and outside the pit .....
"The temperature on the street (Shadow, 1,8 m above the ground) and the temperature in the conservatory at the level of the ground, the north wall."
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Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Ru on December 06, 2015, 08:57:08 PM
Thank you, Maggi!
Three months of voluntary hard labor in the past!  :)
But ... there is no place for hybrids in 2016! ... :)
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Maggi Young on December 06, 2015, 10:05:11 PM
I predict more digging in the Spring, Ru, for another pit.
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Brian Ellis on December 06, 2015, 10:22:52 PM
Well done Ru, a most impressive achievement :o

Another pit next year?
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Ru on December 06, 2015, 10:42:32 PM
No!!!
I have a nervous tic due to this pit!!
Most likely, I restore two old winter pits (2,5x5 meters each).
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Alan_b on December 07, 2015, 08:38:26 AM
I'm incredibly impressed as I had never even heard of a deep-pit house before.  Is the reflective material on the walls to increase the light level?  You presumably don't want insulation there because you are relying on the surrounding earth for temperature control?   
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Ru on December 07, 2015, 09:44:46 AM
The reflective material for illumination. Very effective!
The upper foils makes a "thermos". Bottom  is strengthened differently. Chance of thermal exchange and air movement under the membrane.
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Ru on December 07, 2015, 10:07:23 AM
This design is somewhat redundant. I realize that. It was possible to make a greenhouse on. You can put the thermostat (0, + 1 degree Celsius) and convectors. It is much cheaper. But there is a possibility that the electricity is not one day or week. I live in an interesting country :). If this happens, it is sure to be on the street -15, -20 degrees Celsius. Murphy and Parkenson's laws no one didn't cancel :).  What happens in this case ?.
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: ian mcenery on December 07, 2015, 05:45:54 PM
This design is somewhat redundant. I realize that. It was possible to make a greenhouse on. You can put the thermostat (0, + 1 degree Celsius) and convectors. It is much cheaper. But there is a possibility that the electricity is not one day or week. I live in an interesting country :). If this happens, it is sure to be on the street -15, -20 degrees Celsius. Murphy and Parkenson's laws no one didn't cancel :).  What happens in this case ?.

Fantastic achievement Ru and good sense of humour - well done
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Maggi Young on December 18, 2015, 02:25:33 PM
More on the subject of Ru's  alpine pit....

 Nearly all pots have galanthus in them!   It will be much easier to keep the pots from freezing in this  deep  pit-house than it would in an above ground greenhouse.

Impressive, isn't it? !!! 8) 8) 8)

Added  later in December - Ru's  example of temperature comparison, inside and outside the pit .....

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"The temperature on the street (Shadow, 1,8 m above the ground) and the temperature in the conservatory at the level of the ground, the north wall."

 Certainly shows a benefit from the pit. :)
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Maggi Young on January 02, 2016, 02:37:09 PM
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"The temperature on the street (Shadow, 1,8 m above the ground) and the temperature in the conservatory at the level of the ground, the north wall."

 Certainly shows a benefit from the pit. :)

More from Ru in the temperatures in and out of  "the pit" :
" Night 1.01.2016-2.01.2016. on the street  -14,-16. in the pit + 3, + 2. are two of the convector 0,5 and 1 Kilowatt. So, bottom line, 1,5 kilowatt -16 on the street holding stable plus at the square 72 meters Square (Volume 205 M)."
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Hoy on January 02, 2016, 11:23:53 PM
No problem with water? Here, it would have been pools at this time of the year!

But I know they will work with good drainage in the floor.
A friend of mine built one several years ago and he made "holes in the wall" (he used drainage pipes through  the foundation) where he planted all kinds of heat loving trees and shrubs. No soil inside the house and the roots were very deep and below the freezing zone.
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Ru on January 05, 2016, 04:50:13 PM
 :) 1.5 kW to 72 m (More than 200 m)
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Maggi Young on February 09, 2016, 08:13:13 PM
The snowdrops are growing well in R's alpine pit .......

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 Don't they look good?  Ru has  been showing some quite exceptional galanthus on Facebook.
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Ru on February 09, 2016, 08:43:28 PM
Alas, not so simple. Light a lack of light, high humidity, nutritive substrate. Several changing the shape of petals. Poor seen uneven, poorly visible form of drops. But green is becoming a surprisingly bright and saturated.
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Maggi Young on February 09, 2016, 09:10:03 PM
Well such problems are not visible in your photos of the snowdrops  you've been showing on Facebook. :-\
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Josh Nelson on February 09, 2016, 10:39:55 PM
The snowdrops are growing well in R's alpine pit .......

a plicate paradise!
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Ru on February 10, 2016, 07:31:45 AM
Well such problems are not visible in your photos of the snowdrops  you've been showing on Facebook. :-\
Similar deterioration with all round, ridge, hilly. I don't know how I will conduct selection from hybrids with these signs.

On the other hand, it is a provocative background at selection. All that will be with hillocks in the greenhouse, will yield excellent result in a garden.
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Maggi Young on July 17, 2016, 01:45:05 PM
Update on Ru's alpine pit :
Temperatures at shade in the garden and in the greenhouse (pit) 
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Agrotextile + white paint -  Above the roof over polyethylene. For reflection of light and temperature.
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Inside the pit
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Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Maggi Young on January 09, 2017, 03:30:51 PM
 Getting pretty cold around  what Ingrid calls the   "Ru cathedral" - he's getting lots of plants in flower though - even if he says " Plants have slowed the development :( . The temperature in the greenhouse is  + 3 С, at day and night. The street -15 night, -6-7 day.

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Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: ian mcdonald on January 09, 2017, 03:49:33 PM
Looks like a good site. Snow forecast for UK later in the week.
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Maggi Young on October 07, 2018, 02:08:42 PM
This link is to an article about making  underground  growing  houses :

http://gardenorganize.com/how-to-build-underground-greenhouse/ (http://gardenorganize.com/how-to-build-underground-greenhouse/)
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Tim Harberd on October 10, 2018, 05:04:36 PM
Thanks for the link Maggi.... Something like this IS on my project list.... However, as yet, no where near the top of it!!
But at least I have identified the site. (Piece of land, not website!)

Tim DH
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Tim Harberd on March 29, 2022, 11:10:24 AM
Hi Ruslan,
        Someone (online) suggested that your plant pit has been damaged.
        Are you able to comment?

Tim DH
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Ru on March 30, 2022, 11:39:09 AM
The greenhouse was not damaged. Several nearby houses were damaged. Several rockets exploded from multiple rocket launchers. There were no victims. At the time. Later, one of the villagers was killed by a mine in a pasture. The roofs and windows of the houses have already been restored. Alas, I cannot visit garden often. 15 km walk there and the same back. Multiple enemy checkpoints. Yesterday the greenhouse was full. I called my neighbor. He lives there.
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Maggi Young on March 30, 2022, 12:53:18 PM
I hope all of us are deeply concerned about the terrible situation in the war against Ukraine. It is a relief that our friends there are safe - so far. Our hearts are with them all.
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Tim Harberd on March 31, 2022, 02:55:02 PM
Hi Ruslan,

Thanks for the update. I was not sure if you would be able to communicate.

I do not know what I would do in your situation.

Praying that the storm clouds of war will pass soon.

Tim DH
Title: Re: Ruslan's underground plant "pit"
Post by: Maggi Young on March 31, 2022, 05:28:56 PM
Of interest, a new paper has just been published on a new Sternbergia, found by Ruslan .....
Sternbergia mishustinii (Amaryllidaceae): a new species from the Mersin Province in southern Turkey

Dimitri Zubov,  Anna Trias Blasi &  Ruslan Mishustin

Link to free article by Dima et al on new sternbergia  named for Ruslan.

https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1007/s12225-022-10013-8?sharing_token=EqwAxE9nmyqmP-jKstLy_Pe4RwlQNchNByi7wbcMAY6F1Q1TjbGbiLQYFmrIEBnLLdDr-L9KWR9CwNGOvCZJEFlerip__NuVQAlXIZtjBeUKIkVL4Xvny1n14QXZxVhWwW7r5PUaR8atnp_cWRol0JGNx8ort9rtn2MneVD4kpk%3D


Full link from Kew Bulletin via Springer link
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12225-022-10013-8?fbclid=IwAR1RxJO_0NrgqpqBl2reTEJhJjhKKMxWZWSOFTY1JipBMEvSpJnjjnyrc-U
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