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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Blonde Ingrid on December 01, 2015, 07:39:34 AM
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Always encouraging when a new acquisition turns out to be a vigorous doer in the garden ;D.
'Bumble Green' which was sourced in February this year from Glen Chantry, has just emerged with two shoots. It is a beautiful drop that looks even better in a clump (looks like a swarm of bees) and additional shoots are very welcome.
I have attached a photo as a reminder of how good it looks in flower.
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'Bumble Green' which was sourced in February this year from Glen Chantry,
Or possibly in January at the Myddleton House sale? I wasn't fast enough to get one there and I don't think they had any left after that.
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There is a good biography of Margaret Owen in the December issue of 'The Plantsman' from RHS. Written by Jim Almond it covers all her interests, not just galanthus!
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here is a late November flowering galanthus. But it also blooms in early December.
Sometimes the most of the green is inside......
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I have a number of forms of G. reginae olgae in flower at the moment, but this is the best of them and my favourite. I acquired it from Susan at Pitcairn Alpines and just love the strong, dark green mark and and slender outers.
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Always a treat to see fantastic photos of Snowdrops. 'Bumble Green' is quite a fine looking December drop. And Hagen always shows terrific drops most of us have not seen before. And Matt, your G.r.o. is quite an elegant looker and I see how it would be a favorite. Amazing the range of forms and colors blooming in December....I do not think it has always been nearly this early with Snowdrops in trade.
Its been quite windy and rainy here, but I may have one to post when I can get a decent focus. Thanks all for your photo contributions....Rick
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Just despatched a care parcel to some Iranian Galanthophile friends of my acquisition team, in response to a request:
3 X Freda Cox
2 X Naomi Slade
40 11cm Pond Pots
40 Bars Kendal Mint Cake
Who says Galanthophiles are barmy ;D ;D ;D
Also hearing of some local drops with 'unusual green markings'... :o
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Is the Kendal Mint Cake intended to nourish the galanthophiles or the galanthus? :-\
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Is the Kendal Mint Cake intended to nourish the galanthophiles or the galanthus? :-\
I am reliably informed by my AT that individuals who run with heavy packs love them ;D I don't run with anything heavy apart from bags of drops, which is just as well as I think KMC is vile >:( >:(
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I love Kendall mint cake, there's a garden centre near me who sell a chocolate covered one which reminds me of fry's chocolate creme,absolutely delicious ;D
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Caught on camera today, in some fleeting thin sunshine, Three Ships.
Far too early!
Two flowers in its first year, and now 16 in its third year..
Nice shape, but a bit small. Petal length 27mm.
Tim DH
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What a difference a day makes!
Some un-forecast Sunshine showed up around mid-day
Same clump of Three Ships
Tim DH
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Even more attractive now, Tim.
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G. elwesii 'Hogget's Round' open and three weeks earlier than last year
'teen Galanthus ikariae ssp snogerupii and not a single flower :(
Very warm today, 13c, which isn't going to hold back snowdrops. Too many above ground already
A couple of late Galanthus peshmenii Kastelorizo form
Hogget's Round from this year
Galanthus peshmenii yesterday
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What a difference a day makes!
Some un-forecast Sunshine showed up around mid-day
Same clump of Three Ships
Tim DH
A gorgeous 'drop and a beautiful photograph with the sun falling on the flowers. Another for the wish list!
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It is all action now, this morning 'Castlegar' has flowered. It really is a delightful variety.
It did not show last year and so much relieved to see it again ;D
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'Castlegar' is certainly one of the finest Irish drops., I'm sure. Paddy Tobin has always spoken highly of it. I don't grow any of these Irish galanthus so I can only go by the photos I've seen. I don't think I've ever seen it in real life.
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Must look to see whether 'Castlegar' is flowering here; it's not planted in a very prominent position and this reminds me that it would be worth moving as we lift and replant snowdrops before Christmas. This is a patch of an unnamed but good early form of elwesii which came years ago from Kath Dryden as caucasicus 'Early Form', so holds especial appeal. These have increased vegetatively with just a very few seedlings but including a rather nice larger form in front of the epimedium.
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Hi Maggi would you like some Irish drops? I have managed to get hold of a single bulb of Kildare, if I can get it to increase you can have some.
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Oh, John, how very kind of you - but you stick with bulking up your 'drops to make a good display for your own place. Really nice of you to offer. :-* :-*
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Tim, is that the same one I had from you as G. ‘caucasicus late form ex Kath Dryden’ or is there an 'early form' and a 'late form'. My 'late form' is only a few weeks off flowering so is actually quite early in the overall scheme of things. If they are the same then your 'larger form' seedling at the back must grow to a metre high.
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No problem at all Maggi, :D
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No Alan this is much smaller and earlier than that really strong growing plant that you had from me last year. The latter is still pretty early but a few weeks behind this group (and has huge bulbs as you say!). We don't grow very many really early forms but they certainly grow on you when you get good patches of them like this and I remember a great collection in David and Anke Way's previous garden at Hunton, south of Maidstone. Kath must have had only a few elwesii's, hence describing these two as 'early' and 'late', even though both are really early!
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I have just finished my latest Galanthus List for 2016! No mean task... I am sure more will be added at some point..It is bigger than last year with few Caprea Series listed. There will be more Caprea in February.
Some lines are obviously in short supply..but I am working on it!
My aim is to make the very best of the Caprea Series like Aldo Nefat & Siskin more available. I have chipped a lot so they should gradually become available.
None of the bulbs offered are chips yet.
Edit by maggi 10/12/15 List now removed at Paul's request as it is now out of date!
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Thanks for clarifying, Tim. I had wondered why Kath Dryden described such an early form as 'Late' but it makes sense in the context of this other earlier one. The vast majority of early elwesiis are 'hiemalis group' with a single mark on the apical half of the inner petals. Exceptions to this type are rare so your seedling is worth looking after.
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ALDO NEFAT, as I knew it
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My aim is to make the very best of the Caprea Series like Aldo Nefat & Siskin more available.
I feel this must be down to some lapse in memory on my part but I have no idea what the Caprea Series is. Can you elucidate?
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From the Edulis list I deduce that the Caprea series originate from seed in the past from Slovenia and Croatia.
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Seed or bulbs, presumably, depending on whatever restrictions were in force at the time the collections were made.
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Actually, I think Paul Barney has an agreement with a nursery in Croatia - which is, of course, in the EU.
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Yes, there a past mention of the Caprea series here http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11488.msg299063#msg299063 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11488.msg299063#msg299063) but Paul doesn't really say very much. Which is a pity, because I would feel more comfortable about buying one if I knew more about them. It's a pity because many of the other snowdrops on his list are unusually well-documented as to their originator.
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Just to clear up what the Caprea series is. Decora Nursery of Buzet have been growing Galanthus nivalis for many years. Angelina is one of theirs. They have never been able to sell many in Croatia. Since Croatia is now part of the EU there is no restriction on the movement of Galanthus. It is like buying or selling Galanthus to Germany or Holland. Decora Nursery have let me go through their collection and I have selected out a number of good forms. We have agreed to call these Caprea Series to distinquish their snowdrops from others I might be selling.
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Hello Paul, thanks for casting this light on the history of the Caprea series. So interesting to know the back story on the plants and to have new 'drops to look forward to 8)
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Likewise, thanks Paul. I think provenance tends to be under-valued in the world of snowdrops but I believe it is important. Could I suggest in future you include a brief explanation of the Caprea Series in your list, for the benefit of ignorant people like myself.
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It is so good to see your flowering snowdrops. :)
Over here only the un-named G.reginae-olgae has flowered since late October, 'Cambridge' and 'Tilebarn Jamie' had not developed since the beginning of November until last week-end the storm brought also here warmer weather, and when it was over +10C for two days both of their flower point now down, but I don't know what will happen to them when next week it will be below zero day and night. I will have to put dry oak leaves around them for shelter. All other snowdrops here are only peaking from the ground at the best.
This is 'Cambridge', is it normal for it to have leaves come at the same time as the flower? The nameless G.r-o has only flowers, and no sign of leaves yet.
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Likewise, thanks Paul. I think provenance tends to be under-valued in the world of snowdrops but I believe it is important. Could I suggest in future you include a brief explanation of the Caprea Series in your list, for the benefit of ignorant people like myself.
I will try to do better in future, Alan! I do this Galanthus thing while running a couple of estates and a landscape design company! I thought I did well to get a list out
before Christmas...I think I have referred to the origins of Caprea series here before..i.e the post on the lost Galanthus 'Decora'
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It's an interesting list, to be sure!
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It's an interesting list, to be sure!
Not quite up to your standards Anne! Love your amazing list of Anemone ranunculoides!
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Paul, you wrote:
.... I was wondering if anyone grew 'Decora'.... . It is from the gardens of Angelina & Branimir Petrisevac in Croatia, the home of 'Decora' Nursery (also the home of the equally lovely Galanthus 'Angelina'). My understanding is that this is one of a few bulbs sent to Gunter [Waldorf] by Angelina & Zlatko. Unfortunately Decora (the Nursery) lost a number of snowdrops to Botrytis, including G. 'Decora'. Has anyone ever seen it offered or does anyone grow it?
As I don't have a photo of G. Decora (page 87 Snowdrops) I have attached a photo of another of Angelina & Branimir's snowdrops that did survive the Botrytis currently called Caprea Series 10
I never figured out who 'Zlatko' was - but I probably ask too many questions!
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How variable are your Galanthus cilicicus? Mine look like two different species. One has blue leaves while the other has thinner slightly twisted leaves. One has a large mark while the other has a smaller mark. Both are growing outside in the new plunge and have well developed leaves.
Not the best photos because its very dull here today
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Galanthus 'Faringdon Double' took a long time to open.
Galanthus 'Three Ships' has sailed in a few weeks early.
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Two drops popped open today, Galanthus elwesii 'Hiemalis Group 'Donald Simms Early' and Carolyn Grahame's recent American introduction, G. 'Xmas'.
Cheers!
Rick
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Nice timing there, Rick!
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This pot of Galanthus 'Fieldgate Prelude' will not open in the dismal weather - where is the sun ???
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None of it here, Art - but it looks like Rick has had some over the pond. :D
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None of it here, Art - but it looks like Rick has had some over the pond. :D
Ha ha...yes good deduction from those sun bleached photos...it was60F here today and we are sure spoiled. It will hit and it will be cold when old man winter arrives.
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Had a wonderful trip to RHS Wisley this morning to see Melvyn Jope, even the acquisition team came without the usual bribe!
Collected my positively last (no really) ;D drop of 2015 G.r-o Fotini.
Also Melvyn was able to provide an expert consult on the potential number of bulbs/offsets in the forest of shoots with G.r-o Autumn Snow and G.r-o Lefki which I acquired from him a month or so back. They have been splendid!
Thanks for all the information Melvyn, it was fascinating.
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Flowering today:
Nice 'n' Early
Bumble Green
Its all going on now!
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I don't remember hearing before from so many galanthophiles of the number of plants they have flowering at this time of year - and not all from so-called "early " plants, either. Where will it all end? ( Perhaps in tears in the middle of January! ::) )
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Hi Maggi I have a alpinus bulb and a Gracilis bulb with the buds showing well above the leaves already, having said that a couple of peshmenii and a couple of Peter gatehouse are only just flowering, this is late for these two isn't it?
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I don't grow enough snowdrops to say, really, John. It does seem to be a mixed up season though!
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Yes it is, it's 11 c down here in Lincolnshire, on the news earlier it was showing daffodils flowering, what on earth is going on its December for crying out loud.
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Where will it all end? ( Perhaps in tears in the middle of January! ::) )
It is perfectly normal and natural for snowdrops to take advantage of warmer spells of weather to put on growth. If the weather turns colder then they slow down or stop. The UK's weather in November and December has been unusually warm so snowdrops and other early bulbs are flowering earlier than usual. This will continue until such time as we have a prolonged cold spell
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This pot of Galanthus 'Fieldgate Prelude' will not open in the dismal weather - where is the sun ???
Yesterday we had a glimpse of the sun
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Lost label - can anyone suggest a name please
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Well Arthur, it seems to be an elwesii (possibly an elwesii hybrid) and it's flowering before Xmas and it has a full green mark on the inner petals (which excludes it from the Hiemalis Group). If the flowering time is normal (and who can say this year) then there aren't many/any candidates amongst named cultivars. It doesn't look like 'Peter Gatehouse' and it would be late for 'Peter Gatehouse' anyway. I have a few seedlings along these lines but they are just seedlings without a name. Some of our European brethren like Hagen Engelmann have a whole range of exciting early snowdrops that haven't really got out and about yet. So without some more clues, knowing who you have been swapping with or what seeds you might have raised then I'm stumped.
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Well Arthur, it seems to be an elwesii (possibly an elwesii hybrid) and it's flowering before Xmas and it has a full green mark on the inner petals (which excludes it from the Hiemalis Group). If the flowering time is normal (and who can say this year) then there aren't many/any candidates amongst named cultivars. It doesn't look like 'Peter Gatehouse' and it would be late for 'Peter Gatehouse' anyway. I have a few seedlings along these lines but they are just seedlings without a name. Some of our European brethren like Hagen Engelmann have a whole range of exciting early snowdrops that haven't really got out and about yet. So without some more clues, knowing who you have been swapping with or what seeds you might have raised then I'm stumped.
Alan
I have nothing more to add - so I'm stumped too
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How amazing! Already some snowdrops are blooming!
We have at least three months before flowering Galanthus...
I planted in pots chips snowdrops. ;)
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I have nothing more to add - so I'm stumped too
Could it be 'Kyre Park', Arthur? I've never seen this one in flower in person but it's an early 'drop and with broadly the right sort of mark. There's a picture here: http://www.judyssnowdrops.co.uk/Plant_Profiles/Elwesii/kyre_park/kyre_park.htm (http://www.judyssnowdrops.co.uk/Plant_Profiles/Elwesii/kyre_park/kyre_park.htm)
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How amazing! Already some snowdrops are blooming!
We have at least three months before flowering Galanthus...
I planted in pots chips snowdrops. ;)
Natalia
Looking very good
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Is it winter or spring ? Even the bees didn't know it anymore. But who cares !
. 'Three Ships'
. 'Down and Out'
. 'Castlegar'
. 'December'
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Very nice, Freddy - that is a whole flotilla of ships you have there! :)
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I've not come across 'Down and Out' before. Not the greatest of names, perhaps?
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Joe 'Mr Snowdrop' Sharman features in an article in the January edition of 'The Garden' (a magazine sent to RHS members). Not to be confused with the article on John 'The Snowdrop Man' Morley in the January edition of 'The English Garden'.
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In bloom now -
Galanthus 'Grumpy'
Galanthus 'Mrs Macnamara'
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Lost label - can anyone suggest a name please
Do you think it might be Sickle. It looks right and might be flowering early this year
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Do you think it might be Sickle. It looks right and might be flowering early this year
This was suggested by several people based on the first photo I showed.
I have now taken another photo that clearly shows the inner mark - what do you think now?
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Galanthus woronowii flowering for the second time this year :o
'Mrs Macnamara' is also flowering outside here.
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This was suggested by several people based on the first photo I showed.
I have now taken another photo that clearly shows the inner mark - what do you think now?
It matches the description in 'Snowdrops' with the strongly arched spathe and a mark like a pair of skittles side by side it could well be. The plant I have in our garden isn't in flower yet but I guess it might be earlier with you.
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'Castlegar' is certainly one of the finest Irish drops., I'm sure. Paddy Tobin has always spoken highly of it. I don't grow any of these Irish galanthus so I can only go by the photos I've seen. I don't think I've ever seen it in real life.
Of course, it is the very best, Maggi!!!
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Galanthus 'Three Ships' is in full flower here at present. There have been comments on the mild weather and for us it has been both mild and frightfully wet with the result that slugs and snails abound so damage to snowdrops has been commonplace this season.
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Galanthus 'Colossus' in the garden and as a posy on the windowsill where most of the snowdrops have been enjoyed so far this year as the weather has been atrocious
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A windowsill posy of G. 'Barnes', 'Castlegar' and 'Faringdon Double'
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My first post ever, so hope this works!
Lots of drops in bud here in Hertfordshire and usually I'm lucky if Mrs McNamara makes it by Christmas and as you can see from picks everything is in the garden.
Sutton Courtenay, one of my favourites, open any day now and, appropriately for this, week Ding Dong
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Hello Daisy - well done with a successful first post complete with pix! Funny old year, isn't it - no spring drops showing here in Aberdeen though.
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Mrs McNamara, a new purchase this year is almost in flower.
Galanthus corcyrensis ( reginae-olgae vernalis) is later than usual. It can start flowering any time from November to February but I would have expected it to be early this year.
Biggest surprise is Galanthus platyphyllus. It does not usually appear till March and is the last snowdrop to flower in my garden
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My AT tells me that the Avon Bulbs catalogue will be out in the second week of January! ;D
The usual must have item with coffee and a pile of biscuits ;D
Topically, 'Bankside', 'Simply Glowing' and 'Phantom' (all Alan Street specials) have broken through here this morning!
Photo of 'Simply Glowing' earlier this year. The photo does not do justice to how glowing this variety is, it is really very striking!
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A few ships have crossed the North Sea from England to Denmark.......
It is a strange season in Denmark too.
Reginae Olgae (not vernalis) and cilicicus is still flowering, but peshmenii is over.
3 weeks ago Hollis was in full flower, and now Peter Gatehouse and Barnes is opening.
Poul
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A windowsill posy of G. 'Barnes', 'Castlegar' and 'Faringdon Double'
Thank you Paddy for this picture. It is so good to see snowdrops together, it shows the differences in the flower size well. :)
Here all the early snowdrops you have already flowering (Barnes, Mrs Macnamara and such) are only peaking from the ground even though it's been a warm autumn considering our normal weather. Cambridge and Tilebarn Jamie have still not yet opened properly (not enough sun).
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A few lovely snowdrops I have in flower at the moment.
First 2 pictures are some Elw seedlings.
First one is very similar to Bumble Green
Second one has nice green markings on the shoulders
Third picture is Frank Lebsa
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A few more
Hogget's Narrow
Glenchantress
Kencot Kali
Nivalis seedling from last year
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"Galanthus elwesii - Martyn Rix very kindly gave us stock of this fabulous autumn-flowering one from south of Gulnar."
Did anyone buy this from Rannveig Wallis? I did. Its flowering now in its first year with me. Cute at only 7cm high
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Plenty to photograph in the garden. Taken this morning Galanthus 'Lynch Green'
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The warm weather is also favouring the slugs which have eaten all the flowers from my clump of Three Ships while we were away. I guess they thought it would be appropriate for Christmas dinner!
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Our garden plants are generally being very sensible and staying underground until it is "properly" Spring.
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The warm weather is also favouring the slugs which have eaten all the flowers from my clump of Three Ships while we were away. I guess they thought it would be appropriate for Christmas dinner!
:) 8) :)
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:) 8) :)
But very sad
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Why don't y'all act before slugs get snowdrops and other flower? Rarely do they get my flowers
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Slugs got my only two Beany flowers :'(
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Wrentnall peculiar and Marjorie fish
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Lady Beatrix Stanley
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I don't remember ever seeing so many plants and bulbs especially showing their flowers so early. And with the mild weather no wonder there are so many blasted slugs and snails still around to munch them..... and mice to eat crocus, and .... and .... Grrr!
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"Galanthus elwesii - Martyn Rix very kindly gave us stock of this fabulous autumn-flowering one from south of Gulnar."
Did anyone buy this from Rannveig Wallis? I did. Its flowering now in its first year with me. Cute at only 7cm high
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'Faringdon Double' with lots of extra inners
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G. 'Xmas' looking chilly today on December 29, and an open shot on a much fairer day with inner showing on December 26. This a new American introduction from Carolyn Grahame.
Absolutely have been enjoying each of your posts of your terrific drops. Rick
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Very pretty shot of the "diamond encrusted" flower in the snow, Rick!
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"Galanthus elwesii - Martyn Rix very kindly gave us stock of this fabulous autumn-flowering one from south of Gulnar."
Did anyone buy this from Rannveig Wallis? I did. Its flowering now in its first year with me. Cute at only 7cm high
Haven't got this one Mark but I do have several forms of G. elwesii that came from Elizabeth Cairns in Kent that Martyn gave to her many years ago (they were friends as students). They are striking plants in her garden because she has left them to bulk up and make large clumps. One in particular has a very dark green inner marking. Not sure of their origins but they are likely to be wild collected mixed bulbs from probably twenty or thirty years ago. I will search out some pictures.
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A few more lovely snowdrops flowering today.
The Elw seedling with green shoulders open now and still has the green markings on the shoulders.
Elw Moya's Green, a much apreciated gift !!
Niv Margery Fish well on it's way
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Two more....
Niv Pixie
Trumps
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G.'Mrs McNamara'