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Bulbs => NARCISSUS => Topic started by: fermi de Sousa on August 02, 2015, 10:51:29 AM
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This is yet another of Rod Barwick's hoops, Narcissus 'Ianmon', and close by is what appears to be a self-sown seedling which is quite different with a wide corona, if it's a seedling of 'Ianmon', perhaps I could call it"Maggihen"? ;D
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fermi
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Have to admit to having quite a wide corona myself ;D but it'd be a brave man who called ME "hen" :o
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Have to admit to having quite a wide corona myself ;D but it'd be a brave man who called ME "hen" :o
Well, I couldn't use "mon"!
cheers
fermi
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Fermi, that's a pretty form.
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Well, I couldn't use "mon"!
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fermi
"quine" is the Doric equivalent, fermi - I'll need to get you a Doric dictionary so you're up to speed!
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D'ye think that loon will understand it?
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D'ye think that loon will understand it?
Dunno, but it'll be fun seeing him try!
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I mentioned this tiny before, Narc. bulbocodium nivalis, seed from Rafa I think, by way of Fermi. It is a lot shorter (though the flower is bigger) and a lot earlier than my other nivalis. Stems are just 2cms, same as the top of the label. Another for a trough. :)
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That's a sweet one, Lesley.
I think that plants grown under the name N.b. nivalis have been split off into two different taxa (N.b.nivalis and N. jeanmonodii), which well be might be justified based on geography (one grows in Iberia the other Morocco) and the observed differences. I'm accruing more forms of nivalis/jeanmonodii to be able to make a reasonable comparison.
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D'ye think that loon will understand it?
The insults are heating up :o
I call Maggi "hen" and then Anthony calls me a "loon"!
Remember that you're a kiwi now, Anthony! You're on shaky ground (literally and figuratively!)
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Saturday is approaching Fermi. ;)
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You're a week out, Anthony,
The Netball World Cup isn't decided till Sunday week ;D
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fermi
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Things are not all black, then Fermi. ;)
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Another tiny open this morning, labelled as Narc cf bulbocodium Rafa/Anthony. It seems to be N. b. nivalis. Pic when a couple more are out.
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This opened to day. It came from Rafa and is labelled Narcissus blancoi (thinks to myself, why is the italics button not working? What has Windows 10 done?), but it is very white.
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Nice white, Anthony.
Here are a few more in flower:
A tazetta cultivar - probably an old one available in the trade;
A tazetta hybrid raised by Ian Dyson; I've lost the name and sadly Ian has passed away so I'm not sure how to ID it;
'Leslie Patrick', a cyclamineus hybrid raised by Col Drewitt and named for one of his family,I think;
Yet another seedling hoop, a good White-Yellow, a lot earlier than the similar 'Mitimoto', and clumping up nicely;
A possible parent of the 10WY seedling, one of Rod Barwick's "little detectives", probably 'Smarple' or 'Kholmes' (10WW)
cheers
fermi
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These Australian Div 10 hybrids are good looking plants. Robust too, Fermi?
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These Australian Div 10 hybrids are good looking plants. Robust too, Fermi?
Hi Matt,
they seem well suited to our conditions which are slightly on the "Mediterranean" side and they multiply well in most cases. You need to ask someone on your side of the world about how they would fare with you - I think Otto may've sent some to Ian and Maggi, but I'm not sure. If you want to try, send me a PM.
Here's one of Lawrence Trevanion's "viridiflorus" hybrids, 'Viristar' (?Emerald Green x Hillstar?)
cheers
fermi
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Part 1 A few photos of what is out now.
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Part 2 of what is flowering now.
Nice flowers Fermi.
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Part 3 of what is out now. Some just for Leslie!!
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Part 4 of what is out now.
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Part 5 of what is flowering now.
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Part 6 of what is flowering now.
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Anne Wright has something rather different for sale on ebay : Narcissus 'GALANTOQUILLA GROUP' rare new early daffodil
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Narcissus-GALANTOQUILLA-GROUP-rare-new-early-daffodil-only-one-available-/262000087185?hash=item3d006c1091 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Narcissus-GALANTOQUILLA-GROUP-rare-new-early-daffodil-only-one-available-/262000087185?hash=item3d006c1091) 8)
and another rare Galanthus, too, G. 'Dryad Gold Bullion'
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Galanthus-DRYAD-GOLD-BULLION-rare-new-collectable-yellow-snowdrop-/262000093161?hash=item3d006c27e9 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Galanthus-DRYAD-GOLD-BULLION-rare-new-collectable-yellow-snowdrop-/262000093161?hash=item3d006c27e9)
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Narcissus bulbocodium akersianus from Brian Duncan. Seed sown 7/13. My clump of "Polly's Pearl" is now being over grown by a Protea!
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Some more of Graham's daffodils - but grown in Redesdale ;D
Narc.KB-6YOR-1-03
'Papa Snoz'
2x Narc.KB-6-W-P-2-08
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fermi
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Some nice seedlings there, Graham! It'll give me my daff fix until I can start my repotting!
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With all the bad weather you have been having I would have thought your daffodils would have been later. It has been exceptionally cold here and we still have a couple of weeks of winter to go. Papa Snoz is flowering here now. It multiplies well so it has lots of desirable features.
Papa Snoz is fertile both ways and because it a largish flower it comes with a lot of pollen. I have found it good for breeding all whites that are intermediate size. They come with a lot of pollen just like Papa Snoz.
I have been doing more left field crosses at the moment.
Lesley our first standard split cup is flowering. I will take a photo of it for you.
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A few more photos.
We have a lot of micro minis flowering at the moment. A lot are out in the field so it shows they are tough little bulbs.
I have given a triple M designation to one of our bulbs for the first time. I am not sure how I managed to make a micro mini even small but I have done so. It was so small that our travel camera would not focus on it. I could only take photos with the macro lense. If you had poor eye sight you would miss it altogether.
We have a lot of very nice pot miniatures and pot intermediates flowering at the moment. They are probably ideal for the alpine rock garden.
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A few more photos. From the tiny to the huge.
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Some nice stuff as usual, Graham!
That micro mini would probably cause a riot at the next Canberra Show ;D
Here's the first flowering of a cross I made with Rod's "Jingle x Swagger" dabbed with N. cyclamineus pollen, though it doesn't reflex very much. Sown in 2011,
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fermi
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thanks for sharing these beautiful daffodils, it'll our turn in 6 months ::)
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Fermi the micro miniature has been used on our Div 11W-Y that is flowering at the moment. Should cut it down to miniature I hope!
It is hard to keep the micro minis in the refrigerator for too long. Not enough substance and texture.
The thing about something that is that small is that you can really only see the imperfections by taking a photo and looking at it on a screen. Very hard to pick up faults, particularly if the judge does not have the best of eyesight. In fact the mini micro is so small that a judge with poor eyesight may not see it at all!
You cross shows how dominant the N. cyclamineus yellow is. You need to backcross with something white like Swagger or one of our seedlings. Our seedlings are cousins of Swagger so it is a sensible cross to make.
Something special in this lot of photos - a micro mini 1Y-YYP.
Leslie, I have not forgotten you love of split cups. Maybe it should be named Lesley's Delight!!
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gosh Fermi and Graham fantastic photos of some stunning narcissus, my wish list have just increased
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A few more photos.
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"-a-few-pots-on-the-pollinating-table" My word, that one in the front centre is a real tiny, isn't it? A little cracker!
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Maggie, you are right, it is a cracker but it is not the smallest flower on the table. The flowers you describe as a cracker is our preferred form of N. asturiensis var. vasconicus that has an overlapping perianth. Perfect for miniaturizing. The best thing about it is that is grows outside the shade house in our dry paddock so it is very hardy.
It is about the same size as our new micro mini 1Y-YYP.
Look at the pot behind. It is the truly tiny flower and it is not yellow. It is a flower that is half the size of the N. asturiensis var. vasconicus.
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Impossible to resist any of these little flowers, Graham
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Maggie, it is only the beginning of the season. There is still another 8 weeks of daffodils to go. Lots more to see yet. Even in relation to what I have posted is just a tip of the iceberg. There are some very good miniatures flowering that I have not taken photos of yet or have not edited photos of others.
K34/95 is a really good seedling. The number means it is 20 years old this year and still going strong. It is a hardy N. cyclamineus lookalike that is much hardier than the species.
In terms of alpine garden beds, the small intermediate 6W-Y is probably one of the best if you want something other than yellow.
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Very cute!
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Some interesting things flowering at the moment. The intermediates in the photos are on miniature stems so they would not be out of place in pots or the rock garden. The huge bulbocodium is the same size as the small intermediates. We have got the standards down to miniature height now all I have to do is cut another 15 mm off the flower size!
In fact we have quite a few intermediates out at the moment that are dwarf, including W-W Y-R and W-Y. The white pink is in the front of a flower bed and that is where it belongs.
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Here is a daff we got ages ago from Glenbrook as Narcissus hispanicus; however there were 2 small bulbs and I got 2 different types of flowers! I divided the clump last year and I think that this is all one of the types. But is it Narcissus hispanicus?
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fermi
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Fermi
I have attached a photo of our N. hispanicus. It looks to have thinner petals than yours but yours might be a better clone than ours! :o
We have new ferals in the shade house - galanthus.
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A few more cute flowers for Maggie!
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More cute.
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A few more cyclamineus hybrids.
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Bored with cyclamineus hybrids. How about miniature 1Y-Y's?
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A few more photos. Unfortunately no split cups for Lesley.
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Feral Galanthus, Graham? :o Be afraid, be very afraid! ;)
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Maggie, it is definitely a case of feral galanthus.
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Flowering has reached the point where we have too many daffodils flowering to use them all for hybridising so it is a case of being selective.
Something truly special for Lesley - a split cup cyclamineus hybrid that is W-P!
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Our intermediates and standards are starting to flower so I will be able to hybridise for colour using them. Our miniature white-pinks have started to flower. Unfortunately, the pink is a very pale because we have used Tasmanian pinks in our hybridising program. The pink is not very predominant. I would have been better off using American cherry pinks but they tend to flower much later than the Tasmanian pinks.
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A few more photos
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A few more photos.
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Lesley there are a few photos just for you. Photos of a miniature split and a miniature double are attached. The important thing about both of these seedlings is that they are fertile both ways.
It helps in breeding to have small coloured flowers. I was a little taken aback when I found a very small 1W-P in our garden border. I was even more taken aback when I found another nearby!
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Fermi, I have included a photo of our N. hispanicus var. bujei that is flowering at the moment.
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A few more photos of what is flowering at the moment.
K14/95 is a sibling to Platinum Legend and Second Fiddle. It is 20 years old this year. It is very good for breeding.
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A few more photos. It is still winter here so what you are seeing is winter flowering daffodils.
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Graham,
your new seedlings are great - can't wait for the next list ;D
Here's two I got from you a couple of years ago:
Narc.KB-M-10-2000, a pale yellow petal and a deeper trumpet,
Turland's Gold
The next is the hybrid Narc fernandesii x N, viridiflorus from Lawrence Trevanion
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fermi
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Fermi, our minis and intermediates are fertile. Turland Gold has good parentage and is fertile both ways.
Lawrence's seedling should be crossed with standard daffodils as they are tetraploid. Most of our miniatures etc are diploids.
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A yummy New Zealand raised Narcissus cultivar N. 'Ngaire Rogers' and although i forgot to repot earlier in the year it's again flowering with 10 perianth segments, standing at about 120mm.Opens yellow fading to white .
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A yummy New Zealand raised Narcissus cultivar N. 'Ngaire Rogers' and although i forgot to repot earlier in the year it's again flowering with 10 perianth segments, standing at about 120mm.Opens yellow fading to white .
Now that's a cheery, pretty flower.
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‘Ngaire Rogers’ 12 W-W (Ngaire Rogers) Peg Tocher, 2013
Fl. rounded, 53mm wide; perianth segments 22mm long, lanceolate, acute, reflexed, plane, smooth,
separated; corona 12mm long, cylindrical, smooth, mouth straight, ribbed and even, with rim dentate.
Dwarf. Early. This cultivar consistently has 10–12perianth segments
quoted from The International Daffodil Register & Classified List (2008)
https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/pdfs/Plant-register-supplements/Daffodils/6th-Daffodil-Supplement (https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/pdfs/Plant-register-supplements/Daffodils/6th-Daffodil-Supplement)
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We have been working to stabilize our 10 petal miniatures and I think we have achieved. that now. We have flowers that are very similar to "Ngaire Rogers" including a range of all yellow miniature flowers. The only bit that surprises me is its classification as a Division 12.
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I like these - very eager! Daff exhibitors will be having a fit!
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Anne, you are correct, they don't fit the parameters of the exhibition daffodil world. But then again, for a long time neither did doubles or splits and to some extent miniatures and intermediates are second class citizens. However, they are likely to more interesting to the commercial world as people like things that are colourful and different.
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Ngaire Rogers from the South Canterbury town of Timaru where I used to live until 1989,was a skilled grower of many alpine plants and mini bulbs (it was in her garden one day that someone said "Why don't we start a Fritillaria group in NZ" and the rest, as they say, is history). Mostly, the money she raised by selling was given to local charities.
Duly visited Hokonui yesterday and as always, the range of available plants and even more, the super things coming along, did my heart and health much good, raised my spirits no end. As for what I brought home with me, the term "megabucks" springs to mind. ::)
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We can't take it with us, Lesley! Everyone I spoke to shopping at the trade stands at Dunblane had promised themselves (myself included) they'd not buy anything. Somehow we had all managed to get to a cashpoint beforehand and went away with armfuls of plants! ::) I mainly purchased NZ plants, which I'm hoping will rather like our climate out here.
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You're right there Matt, of course and I see no point in dying as a rich person. Rather enjoy what one can, while there's still time. I notice all my friends are now saying just that, "enjoy it while you can," which seems to suggest to me that they may think that MY time to do so is rapidly drawing to a close. :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D
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Lesley, I will cheer you up with some of your favourite daffodils - splits and doubles!!
The double is very good. It is a standard on a tall stem and exhibition quality. It is quite early which is a huge plus.
The small intermediate split cups are also very good - ideal for garden borders as they are on dwarf stems.
The last one is a nice bright miniature with just a few too many petals.
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Missed attaching the split in the garden border photo so it is attached.
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A few more photos of what is flowering at the moment.
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And finally a few miniatures.
Lesley, I look at the photos Marcus, Fermi and few other are putting up and get a severe case of the wants despite have a vast number of daffodils to look after!!
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Lesley, I will cheer you up with some of your favourite daffodils - splits and doubles!!
You are so sweet to me Graham. :)
I understand the syndrome Graham, there's always something wonderful just on the other side of the fence. ;D I have been told that as we age, the desire to have "everything" within a genus, does fade and we are content with the several hundred already in our gardens. Not quite there yet.
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Lesley, a veritable feast of split cups!!
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Lesley, a few more split cups!!
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A few more photos but of miniatures this time. Photos two and three are from our breeding down program. They are bred from parents that were standard sized 6Y-Y's flowers. The first has incredible texture and substance and that is because it has standard daffodils in its parentage.
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...I have attached a photo of our N. hispanicus....
Graham,
the second type of "hispanicus" is now in flower! When I divided the clump I managed to leave all of the taller one (which flowered earlier) and these ones are the smaller ones which I replanted in a new raised bed,
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fermi
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We don't have any N. hispanicus that have that such broad petals or that are that short. There is often great variation in the species and those who select them tend to pick them for good features such as nice broad petals. Rafa is the one who should be able to say whether he has has ever come across short ones with wide petals. On the photos I would suggest hybrids. Short stems suggest something with N. asturiensis in the breeding as it has good dwarfing characteristics whereas N. cyclamineus does not dwarf at all.
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Hi Fermi
The cup looked familiar so I went into my photo library. I suspect it is either N. perez-chiscanoi or a hybrid of it.
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Thanks, Graham,
I think a hybrid involving the two might be the answer!
Perhaps the taller one is the true species?'
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PS that 6Y-W is pretty special!
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After the feverish illness caused by all those splits, I'll bring a little sedateness to the thread with this little glory which I have as N. tazetta ssp patulus (or possibly ochroleucus), already posted a few days ago in the Southern Hemisphere thread.
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Very delicate, Lesley. Graham - nice reverse bicolour.