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Title: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 04, 2008, 11:13:34 PM
Edit in January 2011: This thread is formed from the pages of previous years for Luit van Delft's musings from the weekly flower show at Lisse, in the Netherlands, of the KAVB, which translates in English as   Royal General Bulbgrowers' Association

When clicking this link: http://www.ishs.org/sci/icralist/49.htm  you will come to the ICRA Report Sheet showingthose bulbs for which KAVB is the official registrar.

Luit's remarks begin in 2008:


In this Topic I'll show you mostly pictures of bulbous plants, which I hope Forumists like to see.
This week I saw the following interesting items:

Colchicum triphyllum

Colchicum raddeanum from Sarayen Alvares  ski-resort in Iran (probably the smallest Colchicum?)

Ipheion Jessie, which might be the most blueish form.

Iris hircana, very rich flowering pot

Narcissus Orange Queen, a nice jonquill

Tulipa Abra

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Katherine J on February 05, 2008, 07:11:45 AM
Excellent idea, Luit! Thank you. 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerdk on February 05, 2008, 07:18:46 AM
Quite interesting, Luit! A good opportunity to become aware of some new bulbous plants.

Gerd
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: art600 on February 05, 2008, 11:20:20 PM
I think this might be Colchicum raddeana in Iran.  We were lucky, it was flowering at the snow line at about 3000m.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: tonyg on February 05, 2008, 11:43:15 PM
Great idea - and you've shown me two Colchicum that I have not seen before already!

Ipheon Jessie looks exactly like Ipheon Rolf Fiedler ... have you seen that one Luit?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 06, 2008, 08:01:33 AM
Thank you Tony,
this Colchicum triphylla I allready posted in "Which Colchicum" where Gerd told me what it is.

The Ipheion looks on the picture like Rolf Fiedler and it is a selection of it.
The experts in the committee told us that it is a darker form, alas I couldn't get the right blue with my camera.
Luit
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 06, 2008, 08:08:59 AM
I think this might be Colchicum raddeana in Iran.  We were lucky, it was flowering at the snow line at about 3000m.
Arthur, that's great to see this picture, comparing to the poor little things in a pot!
It seems a wonderful plant.
The grower was glad that it's flowering with him and still alive.
When I meet the man who found it Ill ask him what he thinks.
Luit
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on February 06, 2008, 08:26:43 PM
Luit, i really enjoy your pictures from your weekly flower shows.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 11, 2008, 10:30:16 PM
This week I want to show you the following items:
Fritillaria reuteri
Hippeastrum pink
Very dark blue Hyacinthus Aida
Last week I showed Ipheion Jessie but now I think the colour on the
picture is more near to reality.
A virusfree Iris Katherine Hodgkin
Iris White Caucasus
Narcissus Johann Strauss
Tulipa greigii Oranje
Tulipa Spryng
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on February 11, 2008, 10:32:46 PM
Thanks Luit that Fritillaria reuteri is a stunner 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 11, 2008, 10:35:42 PM
and I forgot a Narcissus of which the name is probably not o.k., because there is another bigger trumpet with the name Douglas Bank, raised in Scotland.

Narcissus minor Douglas Bank
 Tulipa Spryng
 Tulipa greigii Oranje
 Narcissus Johann Strauss 1
 Narcissus Johann Strauss 2

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: art600 on February 11, 2008, 10:39:55 PM
Luit
I will try to find my photos of Frit reuteri in Iran.  The ones you have taken in pots compare favourably.  It is a difficult Frit to grow.

Please keep these wonderful shots coming
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 11, 2008, 10:43:52 PM
Thank you both.
I was told by the grower it is easier than F. michailovskii.    ??
Luit
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on February 11, 2008, 11:06:14 PM
Luit, why do you think this narcissus is NOT 'Douglas Bank' ? It looks fine to me like what we grow here as 'Douglas Bank'  Ours will not be out for  some time here in Aberdeen, though, but, of scourse... in a pot... things can be early.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 12, 2008, 06:56:07 AM
Maggi, I just thought id doesn't belong to the mostly bigger flowering division I.
Now I found out it is a N. minor seedling and I could not find it under N. minor Douglas Bank.
But it seems to be a miniature.
Should I call it just N. Douglas Bank, (without minor) then??
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 18, 2008, 09:58:12 PM
Today was a very sunny day, so in the show-hall the venetian blinds were closed
and I had some difficulties with making good pictures.
Nevertheless here are some results:
A nice pot with Fritillaria acmopetala ssp. wendelboi
Helleborus Silver Dollar (a lividus cross)
Narcissus Small Talk
Narcissus gayi
Primula vulgaris taygetos
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 18, 2008, 10:05:10 PM
and
a nice group of reticulata irises
Narcissus obvallaris
Iris histr. Sheila Ann Germaney
Iris winogradowii
Iris histr. Lady Beatrix Stanley
Ipheion dialystemon
Narcissus Little Beauty
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on February 18, 2008, 10:09:47 PM
Another good day in Lisse!
 I always think of Fritillaria acmopetala as being one of the later flowering frits... a shock to see it today!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 18, 2008, 10:17:18 PM
Another good day in Lisse!
 I always think of Fritillaria acmopetala as being one of the later flowering frits... a shock to see it today!
Maggi
they were forced for flowering in the foregoing week for a flowershow,
but Fritz not always does what people want him to do.   ::) ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 19, 2008, 10:27:37 AM
Nice colourful series Luit - thanks for taking us to your weekly private show  ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on February 19, 2008, 05:27:27 PM
Lovely show Luit, some very nice plants and really well grown. I liked the Ipheon dialystemon particularly and also Primula vulgaris Taygetos which I have in my garden. I bought it last year from Broadleigh Bulbs but they spelt it, quite wrongly 'Taigetos'
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 20, 2008, 07:07:27 AM
Thanks for all your pics, Luit!
I rate this topic quite highly!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 20, 2008, 09:33:23 AM
Thank you for your nice words. I hope to show more as long as you like it.

Quote
I bought it last year from Broadleigh Bulbs but they spelt it, quite wrongly 'Taigetos'

David, I believe this plant came from the same source as yours as 'Taigetos'
I didn't note the spelling was wrong, I typed it automatically with an 'y'.
Don't know what is right, but if the plant originated in Greece what I think, Taygetos is better!
I couldn't find it in The plantfinder either.

???
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on February 20, 2008, 09:37:08 AM
Thank you for your nice words. I hope to show more as long as you like it.

Quote
I bought it last year from Broadleigh Bulbs but they spelt it, quite wrongly 'Taigetos'

David, I believe this plant came from the same source as yours as 'Taigetos'
I didn't note the spelling was wrong, I typed it automatically with an 'y'.
Don't know what is right, but if the plant originated in Greece what I think, Taygetos is better!
I couldn't find it in The plantfinder either.

???

Luit, you were right. Have a look at this, and if you have a bit of time to spare have a look at the whole Site.
http://www.greekmountainflora.info/Taygetos/slides/Primula%20vulgaris.html
 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 20, 2008, 07:21:21 PM
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Luit, you were right. Have a look at this, and if you have a bit of time to spare have a look at the whole Site.

Thank you David, I had a short look at the Site and for me it's clear that it should be "taygetos".
But I think it will be difficult to convince the Nursery owner she made a mistake.

Did you have a nice Wednesday then??       ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on February 20, 2008, 07:23:22 PM
Quote
Luit, you were right. Have a look at this, and if you have a bit of time to spare have a look at the whole Site.

Thank you David, I had a short look at the Site and for me it's clear that it should be "taygetos".
But I think it will be difficult to convince the Nursery owner she made a mistake.

Did you have a nice Wednesday then??       ;D ;D

It was shoes today Luit and much more expensive than plants :(
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 25, 2008, 04:41:04 PM
Some impressions of what I saw today with some nice improvements
on orange Fritillaria as cutflower without the normally ugly scent and
some exemples of crosses of non-smelling Frits with f. raddeana.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 25, 2008, 04:44:02 PM
and some other flowers with an interesting Tulip from Janis Ruksans
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on February 25, 2008, 10:59:52 PM
Isn't that Fritillaria [ inodora x raddeana ] attractive, Luit thank you for these weekly bulletins.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Katherine J on February 26, 2008, 07:13:18 AM
Thanks Luit for all your pics!

Maybe a stupid question for you, but I'm a beginner in bulbs, so pleeeeeeeease tell me, what's the difference between Iris histrio, histrioides and reticulata?
I have The Bulb Book by Martyn Rix & Roger Philips (the old version) but it didn't enlighten me. They say only that (by head) "I. histrioides is closely related with I. histrio, but usually does not have leaves at first flowering."
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 26, 2008, 10:33:03 AM
Thanks Luit for all your pics!

Maybe a stupid question for you, but I'm a beginner in bulbs, so pleeeeeeeease tell me, what's the difference between Iris histrio, histrioides and reticulata?
I have The Bulb Book by Martyn Rix & Roger Philips (the old version) but it didn't enlighten me. They say only that (by head) "I. histrioides is closely related with I. histrio, but usually does not have leaves at first flowering."

Kathrine, I am afraid not being very helpful.
I can say they all belong to the Reticulata Group.
Iris histrio is perhaps the smallest and earliest flowering.
Iris histrioides has the biggest flowers and is a little later than the foregoing.
I believe both start flowering before the leaves appear.
Iris reticulate is the highest one and has the greatest variation in colours.

But I think, when you ask different experts you will get as many different answers.  ???

Gardeners will probably say: you can see the difference.  ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 03, 2008, 10:19:47 PM
Here is the first batch of this week:

Amorphophallus rivierii   (About 1.50 m. high) 
Sorry, but you have to scroll down. 
   
Fritillaria meleagris Alba     

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on March 03, 2008, 10:43:25 PM
I have edited Luit's pix to avoid the left to right scrolling , but some problem has made me repost them here.......
Tulipa Dreamlover             
Tulipa tsinganica   
    Some Pot-lilies :   
Lilium Tiny Diary               
Lilium Tiny Padhye             

Narcissus Snowball   
Muscari azureum   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on March 03, 2008, 10:46:21 PM
Luit, sorry to have to adjust your photos, you will see tha a width of around 650 pixels makes a good "Viewing size" !!
 
The Amorphophallus is extraordinary.... how could it manage to grow to flower with no roots?
Not the easiest thing to carry to a show, either, I imagine. :-[
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 03, 2008, 10:59:03 PM
Sorry Maggi I totally forgot to resize. Thank you!
I am too busy with the Croconuts.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on March 03, 2008, 11:01:37 PM
That's okay, Luit! ;)
 I understand the problem with those tommies..... I think we will never know for sure!  :P :-\ :-X
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on March 03, 2008, 11:03:42 PM
Maggi,

They're famed for it...... most people in the colder climates store them dry in their cellars/basements.  The Amorph starts shooting it's leaves or flowers and then they are planted.  They don't need moisture to start their growth.  The flower emerges, flowers and finishes before any leaf emerges, so they're ideal to flower "naked" and dry.  I think Amorph rivieri is a synonym for Amorph konjac from memory.... it's the easiest of the Amorphs to grow, offseting freely.  Mine produces masses of little-uns.  Never know what to do with them half the time.  If I kept them all I'd be up to my neck in Amorphs rather quickly.  I finally flowered mine for the first time last spring, which was something of an accomplishment as it had been large enough for a while but was being recalcitrant.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Martin Baxendale on March 04, 2008, 12:53:41 AM
Thanks Luit for all your pics!

Maybe a stupid question for you, but I'm a beginner in bulbs, so pleeeeeeeease tell me, what's the difference between Iris histrio, histrioides and reticulata?
I have The Bulb Book by Martyn Rix & Roger Philips (the old version) but it didn't enlighten me. They say only that (by head) "I. histrioides is closely related with I. histrio, but usually does not have leaves at first flowering."

Servus Kathrine. I'd say that the most important difference for a beginner with bulbs is that Iris histrioides is the most beautiful (and it shows its flowers best since the leaves are short when it blooms) but it and I. histrio are both expensive and less easy to keep growing in the garden than the many varieties of I. reticulata, which are far less expensive and easier to grow. If you are looking for which to start growing first, I would say start with the I. reticulata varieties available easily and inexpensively from the Dutch bulb merchants.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Katherine J on March 04, 2008, 07:30:46 AM
Thank you Luit and Martin. I don't say that's absolutely clear now, but I think I have to see many plants and then the experience will do.  :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Martin Baxendale on March 04, 2008, 10:37:11 AM
Thank you Luit and Martin. I don't say that's absolutely clear now, but I think I have to see many plants and then the experience will do.  :)

Kathrine, have you not seen many reticulate iris? Are the reticulata types not widely available for sale in Hungary? The reticulata cultivars and hybrids are not very expensive to experiment with and can be ordered by mail order from the big Dutch bulb companies.

The overall differences between the main species are obvious when you see the flowers in the garden or in pots. Iris histrioides has broad flower segments and short leaves at flowering time, so the blooms are very showy. The forms of reticulata (and also histrio) tend to have narrower flower segments which are less showy, and the tall leaves at flowering time tend to hide the blooms a little and distract the eye from the flowers. Then there are some hybrids between reticulata and and histrioides (e.g. 'Joyce' and 'Harmony') which are in-between the two species, with wider flower segments and shorter leaves than pure reticulata.

Histrioides and histrio are much more expensive, so to start with I would recommend the reticulata types, but especially the hybrids 'Joyce' and 'Harmony'. Although, if you can  afford a bulb or two of histrioides, it is a real beauty well worth growing.

If it is difficult for you to buy the I. reticulata bulbs in Hungary, please let me know and perhaps I can send some when they are in the shops here later this year.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: mark smyth on March 04, 2008, 02:20:11 PM
Lilium Tiny Padhye is a very nice plant. What size was it?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Katherine J on March 04, 2008, 02:41:42 PM
Kathrine, have you not seen many reticulate iris? Are the reticulata types not widely available for sale in Hungary?
I have not seen many histroides and histrio, Martin. :), so that's why I didn't realise the difference.
Yes, the reticulata types are available here (sometimes without a name >:(), and I have a brother in Holland (not interested in plants at all, but very helpful ;D).
So don't bother yourself with sending anything, thank you very much. :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 04, 2008, 10:22:38 PM
Lilium Tiny Padhye is a very nice plant. What size was it?

About 50-60 Cm. These are all useful for selling as potplants, Mark.

Here's the last batch:

Muscari botryoides                         
Tulipa Baby Blue           
Narcissus The Alliance                     
Pleione Iris                   
Tulipa Crispy Artair
Lilium Tiny Sensation           
Narcissus Viva   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 09, 2008, 04:10:24 AM
Lilium Tiny Padhye is a very nice plant. What size was it?

I think it's 'orrible! ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 10, 2008, 07:06:12 PM
This week there were again some interesting plants in the show.
Hope you like it.

Display tulips           
Fritillaria biflora cl. 
Fritillaria biflora 1   
Hyacinthus Spring Joy     
Fritillaria [-]       
Fritillaria [-] cl.       
Narcissus Petrel 
Narcissus Petrel cl.     
Tulipa sdl.           
Fritillaria carica         
 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 11, 2008, 09:12:01 AM
And here the second batch:

Narcissus Diamond Ring     
Fritillaria Gokzun Gold   
Fritillaria Gokzun Gold cl.             

Parrot Tulip      (the decision if you like it is yours)
   Perhaps something special for Lesley??    ;D   
Fritillaria pinardii   Ole Sonderhausen
Fritillaria pinardii   Ole Sonderhausen cl.             

Fritillaria sdl.                                          (of Fr. bucharica type)       

Ornithogalum dubium
Tulipa Dimension  This tulip was standing in the showroom since February 25th!
                        Still looking remarkably good.
Hyacinthus Prince of Love         
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on March 11, 2008, 09:20:07 AM
Super images Luit....please keep up the good work....

As for the Parrot tulip.....'Who's NOT a pretty boy then'?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Katherine J on March 11, 2008, 04:14:36 PM
That Ornithogalum dubium is very nice.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 11, 2008, 07:11:54 PM
Just found out I forgot one interesting bulb of the show;
Muscari anatolicum
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on March 11, 2008, 08:25:26 PM
As usual Luit I have enjoyed your pictures.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 11, 2008, 09:52:54 PM
So have I Luit. The Muscari is particularly attractive.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on March 12, 2008, 06:41:39 AM
Luit,

Thanks a lot for your wonderful pictures from exibitions. I enjoy them a lot, especially tulips, as they are my passion and have already 250 different tulip varieties in my collection.

I especially now take interest into older varieties, among which are many much better cultivars than those new introductions, which are only better fore forcing, but not for the garden. Unfortunately they aren't offered in trade or very rarely offered. As you live in Holland I would kindly ask you if you can learn if such varieties as 'Indian Chief', 'Tantalus', 'Panorama' and 'Lous XIV' (Single Late division (former Breeder)) are still grown commercially by some nursery in the Netherlands. You can probably ask some spesialists who exibit tulips in the show. These varieties have a special beauty and unusual colour for tulips, but, unfortunately, I don't see them anymore in trade.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 13, 2008, 05:11:00 PM
Thank you all for your kind comments. I'll have to go on sending pictures of the shows, don't I ?  ;) :)

Zhirair, about your question about the old tulips I can tell you that these varieties are not in commercial production. Since the Darwin Hybrids came, most of these varieties disappeared.

In the Connoisseur Collection there are :
Tantalus, Louis XIV and Panorama.

I'll try to remember when they start to flower and hope to make some pictures.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on March 14, 2008, 05:51:38 AM
Luit,

Thanks for the information. What is the Connoisseur Collection and where is it located. I'll be just super if you manage to photograph these cultivars. They are late-blooming with exceptional beauty. I just know that these cultivars are grown in the collection of Hortus Bulborum. I've ordered their book lately, but pity that you can not make a choise regarding the varieties when ordring from them.

I am always surprised why those wonderful cultivars, which are no longer in commercial production. Many of the old tulips are much better than those new cultivars and very good growers in the garden, which can grow without lifting for many years. Knowing well the nature of tulips I can say that new cultivars don't surpass old varieties at all; they are just more suitable for commercial growing (especially for mechanical labour as for potatos), have good forcing qualities and rate of propagation. But from the point of decorativeness the new cultivars are far to surpass the old ones.

During Soviet period, there were many local tulip growers in our country offering over 1000 varieties of different tulips, including many rare ones. Ater the collapse of the country when the Dutch conquered our market with their chiep prices, many of the local growers stopped their business finding it not profitable anymore from the commercial point of vew. And the same situation is in our country now as well. Only around 300 tulips are curcling in the market, the others dissapeared. All companies offer the same range of tulip cultivars, which is very boring and even not interesting to collect, becuse they are widely awalable everywhere.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 18, 2008, 07:34:07 AM
Hyacinthus Miss Saigon     

Chionoscilla allenii           

And there was a nice presentation of seedlings from hybridising
the dark red Corydalis Zwanenburg with a pink C. decipiens.

Corydalis solida Zwanenburg x C. decipiens

Some Hepatica selections

Hepatica transsylvanica Blue Eyes
Hepatica transsylvanica Blue Jewel

Two weeks ago I showed a picture of Amorphophallus which
was brought in flower today.

Amorphophallus rivierii   

And there were many tulips ofcourse:

Tulipa Provence         
Tulipa batalini Bright Gem 1             
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Katherine J on March 18, 2008, 08:10:47 AM
I hope I will go some day to Lisse flowershow.

Luit,
let me please to correct you -- since I was born in Transylvania -- it must be Hepatica tranSylvaniCa, not transsylvaniva. :)

And thank you for the every week presentation. :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerdk on March 18, 2008, 08:27:10 AM
Luit,
Most interesting selection - as always!
It is the first time a I heared of  Chionoscilla allenii - a natural hybrid between Chionodoxa forbesii x Scilla bifolia (Google). Even beautiful Corydalis hybrids! Thank you!

Gerd
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on March 18, 2008, 08:50:00 AM
Luit,

As always, your pics are wonderful! Fringed tulip 'Provence' has very nice and tender colour combination, not mentioning its beautiful flower shape. I always keep an eye on brand new tulip cultivars, but this one is unfamilliar to me.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 18, 2008, 08:54:16 AM
I hope I will go some day to Lisse flowershow.

Luit,
let me please to correct you -- since I was born in Transylvania -- it must be Hepatica tranSylvaniCa, not transsylvaniva. :)

 :-[ :-[ :-[ ::)
Sorry Kathrine, it just happens sometimes typing a bit quick and as the v and c are so close
together.....
So next time it will be transsylvanica   as it should be, I hope?  ;D  8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 18, 2008, 08:56:58 AM
Luit,

As always, your pics are wonderful! Fringed tulip 'Provence' has very nice and tender colour combination, not mentioning its beautiful flower shape. I always keep an eye on brand new tulip cultivars, but this one is unfamilliar to me.

Zhirair it seems to be a trend, because I see those fringed forms more often the last years.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Katherine J on March 18, 2008, 09:46:51 AM
1 piece of s. transylvanica.   :P
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Katherine J on March 18, 2008, 10:08:31 AM
Although I see that in many places it is written transsylvanica, even more, transsilvanica! :-\ >:(

In my latin dictionary there is Transylvania, transylvanus, transylvanica, etc.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 18, 2008, 11:22:04 AM
Well Kathrine I think we should it leave to the taxonomists.
Plantfinder gives "transsivanica" and I used always two "s"and "y", because I learned so long ago.
What's in a name, I am a happy gardener.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Martin Baxendale on March 18, 2008, 11:58:54 AM
Well Kathrine I think we should it leave to the taxonomists.
Plantfinder gives "transsivanica" and I used always two "s"and "y", because I learned so long ago.
What's in a name, I am a happy gardener.  :D :D :D

But it wasn't named by a taxonomist. It was named by the nursery (van Tubergen of the Netherlands) who introduced it, and is not a recognised species or sub-species, just an informal garden name, so has no real taxonomic blessing.

I imagine it must have been named using a Dutch spelling of Transylvania, which is unfortunate as I think we'd all agree it would be best if plants were named after people and places using the spelling that person or place uses rather than some other local spelling (out of respect, and to maintain uniformity in naming around the world). Unfortunately we're now stuck with various spellings in literature going back nearly 100 years.

I'm sure no-one means any disrespect to your home region, Kathrine, and a name is important if it's yours or your country's (I'm sure at least some forumist might be a little annoyed by someone who insisted on spelling Scotland Scottland). I personally use 'transylvanica' since there's been much confusion over the spelling in the past and I thought I might as well use the correct geographical name rather than pick one of the various informal names you find in catalogues.   :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Katherine J on March 18, 2008, 12:37:30 PM
I'm sure no-one means any disrespect to your home region, Kathrine,

Never thought of that. :) Every time I see something that I knew otherwise, I become curious what was the thruth.  ;D
So, sorry, Luit for "correcting" you, now I think you have also right, as I said, it was called in many ways.
But I agree with
it would be best if plants were named after people and places using the spelling that person or place uses rather than some other local spelling
So I will call it transylvanica, but won't be huffy (never was) if you call it transsylvanica. ;)
The End.
 ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on March 18, 2008, 01:48:22 PM
Luit,

Fringed tulips now are very popular and admired by growers in Russia. I also enjoy them, but prefer more other divisions, as fringed tulips are mostly small-flowered and more succeptable to colour-breaking-virus, than others.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Anthony Darby on March 18, 2008, 02:35:29 PM
I was born in Transylvania

Cool 8). but, as alpine gardeners, we are all "children of the light" not "children of the night". ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerry Webster on March 18, 2008, 03:27:40 PM
But it wasn't named by a taxonomist. It was named by the nursery (van Tubergen of the Netherlands) who introduced it, and is not a recognised species or sub-species, just an informal garden name, so has no real taxonomic blessing.

Until reading this thread I had always used "transylvanica" which would be correct if this was a specific epithet (which I assumed it was). However, looking around, "transsilvanica" seems to be used commonly in the UK. If this is the original form of the name bestowed on the plant by van Tubergen then surely we should stick to it.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Martin Baxendale on March 18, 2008, 03:53:55 PM
Until reading this thread I had always used "transylvanica" which would be correct if this was a specific epithet (which I assumed it was). However, looking around, "transsilvanica" seems to be used commonly in the UK. If this is the original form of the name bestowed on the plant by van Tubergen then surely we should stick to it.

Strictly speaking we shouldn't be using any Latinised name for what is a garden name, not a species or sub-species. Van Tubergen named it as a sub-species of solida, transsylvanica, but it wasn't accepted as a sub-species. And under the International Rules of Nomenclature, you can't use the Latinised 'Transsylvanica' as a garden cultivar name.

The original name in V.Tubergen's catalogue was transsylvanica, which has since translated in various catalogues to transsilvanica, transilvanica, transylvanica, transsylvanica. How do you decide what to do? Use the correct geographical name or the false species name that V. Tubergen shouldn't have given the plant in the first place? I guess the important thing is that everyone knows what  you mean even if the spellings are a bit variable. There are cases of original names being changed later (actual genuine species names) where the spelling was later found not to be the correct name - e.g. Crocus tommasinianus, which was previously wrongly spelled for many years with just one 'm'. It's a bit like that old thing of asking for directions (how do we get to where we should be?) only to be told "well, I wouldn't start from here" !   :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 18, 2008, 05:01:32 PM
Hello all,
Kathrine and I were talking about HEPATICA trans(s)ylvanica which is an old name and has been for long time also called Hepatica angulosa.
I don’t think van Tubergen gave this Hepatica ever a name.

The author of

Hep. transsilvanica is M. Fuss (He gave this name in 1848)
Hep. transsylvanica is J. Heuffel

Hep. angulosa is ( Lam.) DC
   I can understand that this is not the right name because Lamarck received a flower of Hepatica triloba together with the leaf of a Cortusa matthioli and so gave it this wrong name.

Kathrine, this story is to read in:Magyar növeny lapok VII, pp. 146, 1883.

Since 1851 the authors of Hep. angulosa were Schott & Kotschy .

About the naming of Corydalis solida trans… I know nothing at this moment.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerry Webster on March 18, 2008, 05:24:00 PM
This is getting confusing.
Like Luit & Kathrine, I was talking about Hepatica. One author I looked at (Myers, AGS Bull. 58(2), 144) refers to H.transsilvanica Fuss. Is this no longer an accepted name? According to W.T. Stearn the correct geographical epithet would be 'transylvanica' from Transylvania.

Martyn, Were you talking about Hepatica or Corydalis?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Martin Baxendale on March 18, 2008, 05:32:53 PM
Hello all,
Kathrine and I were talking about HEPATICA trans(s)ylvanica which is an old name and has been for long time also called Hepatica angulosa.
I don’t think van Tubergen gave this Hepatica ever a name.

Oops!!  You're right of course, Luit!!  I took an interest halfway through your discussion with Kathrine, when you were both just discussing the name 'transsylvanica' versus 'transylvanica' without mentioning the genus. And for some reason I thought you were discussing the corydalis!  Mea culpa!  Perhaps it was because I saw pics from you of corydalis from the flower show.

Even with an accepted species name like Hepatica transsylvanica, though, it's still an interesting point whether the spelling should be the original "incorrect" name for the region (according to how the local people spell it) or the more "correct" spelling as used by the local people. As I mentioned Crocus tommasinianus before, where the name was correctly applied taxanomically and long-established, but was still changed to "mm" because the spelling was not how the man spelled his name.

Anyway, I have caused enough confusion for one day, so I'll shut up now.   :-[

 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerry Webster on March 18, 2008, 05:41:06 PM
Martin, this discussion evidently confused me about your name as well. My apologies!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Martin Baxendale on March 18, 2008, 05:44:15 PM
Martin, this discussion evidently confused me about your name as well. My apologies!

No problem, Gerry. My confusion was much greater.   :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on March 19, 2008, 10:38:26 AM
Luit,

The Chionoscilla is rather interesting, but those Corydalis solida are stunning.  What a colour range!!  And imagine what other colour combination would occur if you then crossed those carefully together!!?  Wonderful pics!!  Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on March 21, 2008, 09:43:08 PM
Luit,
great treat. Please continoue ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 25, 2008, 07:08:35 PM
Today there were not so many entries.
Almost impossible to bring something from outside in this weather.
So the few I show are from indoor cultivation, except for the
flowers of the Narcissus which were picked from outside.

Tulipa Bolroy Moon
Tulipa American Embassy         
Hippeastrum Picotee         
Disporum megalanthum 1               
Disporum megalanthum 2         
Narcissus Englander 1           
Narcissus Englander 2           
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 25, 2008, 08:33:45 PM
The Disporum would be my favourite from the recent batches.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on March 25, 2008, 10:34:02 PM
I don't think I've seen a Disporum that produces terminal tufts of flowers on branches like that.  Very nice!!  :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 31, 2008, 10:08:51 PM
From this week's show: 

First a Narcissus  not found correct by the Narcissus Committee.
but I liked it:
Narcissus [as] Longwith ?

A Corydalis with yellow leaves

Corydalis Berry Exciting 1           
Corydalis Berry Exciting 2 

Podophyllum difforme       leaf
Hippeastrum vittatum           
And a Tulip which some will not like  :-\ ;D 
Tulipa Elsenburg                     

 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 31, 2008, 10:11:06 PM
In the second batch some historical Narcissi:

Narcissus Argent   
Narcissus Bath's Flame           
Narcissus Butter and Eggs 1               
Narcissus Butter and Eggs 2           
Narcissus Feu de Joie [-]      (probably right)
Narcissus Mrs. Langtry           
Narcissus Twink               
Narcissus Victoria
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 31, 2008, 10:56:48 PM
I'm not at all sure about that yellow-leaved Corydalis. Is it a seedling from C. flexuosa `Blackberry?' It makes a few seedlings in my garden so I suppose if a yellow-leaved form showed up I'd grow it on but..... :-\
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on March 31, 2008, 11:23:18 PM
Great pics as always!!  I rather like the yellow leaf Corydalis, but I love the Podophyllum!!  Glorious leaf!!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: art600 on April 01, 2008, 12:28:43 AM
I love Narcissus, but I can only wonder how any of the last batch made it into commerce.  Some of them are quite dreadful.

Luit

You were right about the tulip - hideous
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on April 01, 2008, 01:09:04 AM
Arthur,

Because at the time they were released there were only REALLY basic ones, unlike the wonderful array we have now.  At the time they were probably oohing and aahing over them just like we do over the new forms now!  ;D  It's all in the perspective!!  :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 01, 2008, 06:50:38 AM
Arthur,

Because at the time they were released there were only REALLY basic ones, unlike the wonderful array we have now.  At the time they were probably oohing and aahing over them just like we do over the new forms now!  ;D  It's all in the perspective!!  :D

Thank you Paul.

Arthur, these are Narcissus of between 100+ and 300 years old!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: art600 on April 01, 2008, 10:31:47 AM
Luit

I did not recognise historical as meaning between 100 and 300 years old.  Clearly they were startlingly different from the norm, and as we say "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".  Thank goodness we do have different opinions or the world would be a dull place. 

Modern varieties are generally so much better, although I think there is a tendency for many to look very similar - a problem I struggle with when looking at Snowdrops.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on April 01, 2008, 11:05:50 AM
Strangely, although in general I dislike double daffodils, I find that Argent and Feu de Joie have a certain elegance - perhaps because they have a looser, freer (is that a word?) style and not so stiff as the modern ones.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 01, 2008, 08:45:43 PM
although I think there is a tendency for many to look very similar - a problem I struggle with when looking at Snowdrops.

Don't we all? ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on April 01, 2008, 09:20:01 PM
Luit,
thank you for the "historical" ones. "Bath Flame" attracts me - the pedals have the character like wings of a wind mill.
The "split coronas"...These poor X-rayed "creatures" look like escaped from a cruelty cabinet :o :'(
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 15, 2008, 03:56:57 PM
Yesterday was a special Narcissus show at Lisse:
I show the ones I could easy reach to make pictures.
Sometimes when the sun was shining the blinds were closed and the light got very bad to photograph flowers and the quality is not my standard (to use Mark's words)  ??? 8),  but I show them nevertheless.

Narcissus Nr. 2..07                 
Narcissus Akita 1         
Narcissus Akita 2           
Narcissus Canary Bird       
Narcissus Citroën           
Narcissus Egmont Charm         
Narcissus Egmont Charm 2             
Narcissus White Medal               
Narcissus Yellow River               
Narcissus Collins Joy       
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 15, 2008, 04:16:26 PM
Narcissus Double Smiles
Narcissus Golden Reaal

some historical Narcissus:

Narcissus [hist.] barrii Conspicuus
Narcissus [hist.] Croesus
Narcissus [hist.] Seagull
Narcissus [hist.] White Lady

Some Mini Narcissus in one picture:
On top from left:

 Segovia,  Dainty Miss,  Yellow Xit.

Middle row, from left:

 obvallaris,  Sundia, l Kenellis,  jonquilla Simplex.

Below from left:

 Little Gem, Julia Jane,  Mite.               

Then a special Tulipa for those who like it:

Tulipa Queensland

And two Dutch Irises:

Iris holl. Silver Beauty
Iris holl. Tiger Eye
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 15, 2008, 04:33:14 PM
Finally there were a group with Fritillaria in vases (in a dark spot.)

Fritillaria Group

and
Asarum maxima
Disporum flavens

several Erythronium

Erythronium revolutum Johnsonii
Erythronium revolutum Johnsonii x E. White Beauty Seedlings

An Anemone send in as A. eranthoides, but probably A. petiolulosa

Anemone erantoides or A. petiolulosa

And a beautiful wild Hippeastrum

Hippeastrum equestre 1
Hippeastrum equestre 2
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 15, 2008, 10:52:18 PM
A most interesting yellow Anemone Luit. Do you know anything about it?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on April 16, 2008, 08:57:45 AM
Luit,
thanks for your pics.
I like that Dutch Iris "Tiger eye"; do you know if it's a new variety? I've not seen anything like it before.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Katherine J on April 16, 2008, 11:58:38 AM
I like that Dutch Iris "Tiger eye";
Very interesting! And a very good name!  ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on April 17, 2008, 12:46:15 PM
Fermi,

That one caught my eye as well.  Stunning colour.  The group of hybrid Erythroniums are pretty special too, particularly that one on the left with the dark flower, yellow throat and glorious leaves.  I really MUST try to get some hybrid or open pollinated Erythronium seed from overseas, just to see what eventuates.  Would be wonderful to find interesting colour blends and the like.

Fantastic pics as always Luit.  A real joy to view them!!  8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 17, 2008, 03:57:33 PM
Lesley, the only thing what I know is that it has rhizomes, a bit like A. nemorosa.
As it is a wild plant, so seed would also be possible.
and I am sure now that it is not A. eranthoides

Fermi, maybe the name changed. There was an Iris Eye of the Tiger, which looked
like this one.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on April 17, 2008, 05:41:56 PM
Luit,
super pictures.
Very enjoying to see a wild Hippeastrum in comparison to my own red hybrids.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 21, 2008, 10:49:47 PM
Today there was again a special Narcissus show and also there was a collection of Muscari.
Of Muscari I want to show a nice presentation of several Muscari mixed with Helleborus flowers in a vase.

Muscari mixed with Helleborus   

Narcissus White Peeping Tom               
Narcissus Border Light           
Narcissus Ambergate                   
Narcissus Babyboomer             
Narcissus Gay Song       
Narcissus Maja Sun       
Narcissus Gay Challenger             
Narcissus Roulette           

Finally I want to show a picture of the Garden of the Royal Bulbgrowers Society, where the several Bulb Committees
come once or twice a week together to judge samples, send in by growers or traders.

Collection and Sample Garden of the KAVB             
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 22, 2008, 06:05:54 AM
That blue and greeny combination of Muscari and Hellebore is so pretty.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 28, 2008, 09:36:41 PM
Today's show brought some surprises. One of them was a vase with
Dahlia Siberia which were forced to flower for next Sunday (Mothersday).

further we saw  Hermodactylus tuberosus and there were several Tulipa mutations,
with some artistic flair.
Dahlia Siberia         
Hermodactylus tuberosus
Tulipa Yellow Crown [mut. 1]       
Tulipa Yellow Crown [mut. 2]
Tulipa Yellow Crown [mut. 3]
Tulipa Negritta [mut.]
Tulipa Dynasty [mut.]   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 28, 2008, 09:40:54 PM
Then there were some Fritillaria and I picked one pot out of several
Narcissus bulbocodium selections from hybridizer Walter Blom in USA.
I made a pict. of the bulbs in the pot to show how rich these relatively small bulbs flower.
Flowers picked from a small Muscari and several other plants,
thought being of interest to the Forum.

Fritillaria reuteri                 
Fritillaria sibthorpiana
Narcissus bulbocodium Apollo Gold 2           
Narcissus bulbocodium Apollo Gold 3     
Muscari Maxabel   
Tulipa Triumph Group Prinz Armin         
Iris holl. Lion King             
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on April 28, 2008, 11:51:54 PM
Thanks, Luit, more gems from Lisse.
Hermodactylus tuberosus is a real favourite of mine... love the colour and the scent.
Such a good Fritillaria reuteri....till now I thought all the best forms were in Gothenburg!!

I think our own Armin must try to get  some of these Tulipa Triumph Group Prinz Armin don't you agree? ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 29, 2008, 04:31:36 AM
Luit, what is the surface of the pots in the above 3 pics (The frits and the Muscari)? The flowers look as if they've been picked and are sitting in some sort of water-retentive medium Are they growing bulbs or picked stems?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 29, 2008, 06:52:57 AM
Maggi, actually when I took the picture I was thinking, I might upgrade the Forum
with some Royalty... and our Armin seemed the right man for this.      ;D         8)

Lesley, these weekly shows are mainly for growers or traders to show their products
and novelties, so what you see will only probably be obtainable in future.
As you will know as a seller of plants the trade will only pick up some novelty when they
believe it being a good seller.
You cannot compare this with the AGS or SRGC shows.
And this place is a Tradecenter.
So most flowers are picked.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on April 29, 2008, 12:37:55 PM
Luit,

Great pics as always.  Love those Frits, and that Muscari looks pretty special as well.  Some of the tulips are interesting (while others aren't!  ::) ;D).  Must be good to see all of these things at the flowershow each week.  As I've said before, thanks so much for showing them to us.  8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 29, 2008, 03:56:40 PM
Quote
Some of the tulips are interesting (while others aren't!

Paul I agree with you, I just liked the mutation of T. Dynasty. And the other ones....... ??? ::) ??,
well I'm just reporting to show what's going on. 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 29, 2008, 09:02:25 PM
Thank you Luit. The flowers are beautifully displayed.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on May 02, 2008, 10:43:56 PM
Maggi, actually when I took the picture I was thinking, I might upgrade the Forum
with some Royalty... and our Armin seemed the right man for this.      ;D         8)


Maggi,
indeed when I saw this tulip I got fascinated. ;D

Luit,
I hope you don't you want me :o to pay any royalities?
brgds
Prince Armin
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 03, 2008, 07:15:40 AM
Quote
I hope you don't you want me  to pay any royalities?
brgds
Prince Armin

maybe some rubies, "Your Highness" ?   ;D ;D     8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on May 03, 2008, 09:39:41 PM
Sir Luit,
here is your ruby! >:(
A giant one! ;D ::) ;)

Your Prince
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 03, 2008, 10:51:42 PM
 ;D ;D     :D    8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 05, 2008, 11:06:03 PM
This Monday not so many entries but a grower showed some unnamed
selections of Fritillaria persica.
There was so little light in the hall and not having a tripod there,
the pictures are not so very good.

Fritillaria persica sel 1a             
Fritillaria persica sel 1c         
Fritillaria persica sel 2a           
Fritillaria persica sel 3a           
Fritillaria persica sel 3b       
Fritillaria persica sel 4a           
Fritillaria persica sel 4b         
Fritillaria persica sel. 5 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 05, 2008, 11:08:46 PM
One grower showed the most black tulip until now and there were the first Paeonia in the show.

Tulipa black   
Paeonia Henri Bockstoce 1       
Paeonia Henri Bockstoce 2         

Note: These Paeonia flowers are real flowers. 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 06, 2008, 12:03:35 AM
Superb F. persica Luit. So many forms and even DOUBLES! And that's a tulip I could really fall for. :P :P 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ArneM on May 06, 2008, 04:00:48 PM
Really exciting! I wish I had them all. Does the grower also sell them?  ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on May 06, 2008, 04:59:00 PM
A really super black tulip... this will be hugely popular, I am sure.
 What a great selection of Fritllaria persica forms...... Ian will like these large stems of flowers 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 07, 2008, 06:28:11 AM
Really exciting! I wish I had them all. Does the grower also sell them?  ;D

Arne, the good ones will come on the market, I'm sure.
Don't know when.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on May 08, 2008, 05:48:48 AM
Luit,

Fritillaria persica cultivars are just increadibly stunning!!! Smashing show-stoppers!

Black tulip looks interesting. There are many, so called, new 'black' tulips offered in trade, but, unfortunately, all have small flowers. I grow the tallest "Queen of Night" and don't get another 'black' variety until I make sure that it has considerably larger flowers than "Queen of Night". Though I have a good substitude for 'black' tulips - near-black "Bucchus", which is tall, large-flowered, extremely good encreaser and virus-resistant.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on May 13, 2008, 06:20:51 AM
I didn't know where to post these pics, but decided that maybe here it'll be relivant to do. My hippestrum "Mont Blanc' blooms every year very abundantly and shocks everybody by the beauty of its huge white booms. I post some pics for you to enjoy with me.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 13, 2008, 12:08:34 PM
Those are certainly stunning blooms Zhirair. :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 19, 2008, 08:23:06 PM
Today it was a very interesting show.
There were many entries with Hosta and Heuchera,
but they were difficult to photograph with closed blinds.
Therefore I only show the flowering bulbous plants.
Some pictures are not to good (alas no tripod) but I show them
because they are not to often seen on shows here.

Lilium martagon Album 1           
Lilium martagon Album 2         
Lilium martagon Hybr.             
Lilium mart. Manitoba Morning 
Lilium pumilum 1                   
Lilium pumilum 2                 
Lilium Twinkle Hybr. [Tiger Hybr.] Mixed               
Lilium Twinkle Hybr. [Tiger Hybr.]               
Scilla litardierei                 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 19, 2008, 08:26:23 PM
I forgot to mention that there wera a whole sieries of Lilium martagon Hybrids,
but the pictures I made were rubbish. sorry.

Iris xiphium      (from seed ex Pyrenees)       
Iris holl. Innocent                 
Iris paradoxa f. Goschab    (from seed ex. E. Pasche)     
Lilium Backhouse       
Lilium Gizmo         
Lilium tsingtauense     
Lilium hansonii
Iris cycloglossa             
Allium Chamaeleon                         
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on May 19, 2008, 09:09:17 PM
Smashing pictures Luit. I liked the Lilium martagons (having had three 'no shows' with some bulbs I bought) and I also liked the Dutch Iris 'Innocent'-very nice.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on May 20, 2008, 09:15:06 AM
Beautiful show Luit - as you mentioned yourself, very interesting  :D
Makes a change after the "Tulipitis" you gave us all...  ;D ;D
Mind you, "Tulipitis" is to be considered a very agreable infection... ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 20, 2008, 11:06:30 AM
Mind you, "Tulipitis" is to be considered a very agreable infection... ;D

A, B, or V. ? ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on May 20, 2008, 10:30:37 PM
I like that Allium, especially.
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Post by: Joakim B on May 21, 2008, 09:41:57 AM
Luit some very nice plants they showed was it not.
I liked them all  :o 8).
Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 26, 2008, 08:14:25 PM
Thank you for your comments!

This week I noted the following plants at the show:

Calochortus 1                           
Calochortus 2               
Iris holl. Cream Beauty     
Iris holl. Discovery         
Paeonia lact. Wite Cap         
Lilium mart. Orange Marmelade Fox                 
Ixia Jesse         
Iris holl. Mystic Beauty 1               
Iris holl. Mystic Beauty 2   
Iris holl. Oriental Beauty     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Anastasia on May 27, 2008, 10:07:45 AM
Lvandelft!

Unusually beautiful Allium Chamaeleon and Lilium Orange Marmelade!!  :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Jim McKenney on May 27, 2008, 12:18:54 PM
Luit, that Lilium 'Orange Marmalade' has Lilium tsingtauense in its background, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Jim McKenney on May 27, 2008, 12:24:20 PM
I just got back from a quick tour of the garden: Iris 'Oriental Beauty' is blooming here today, too.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 27, 2008, 04:34:07 PM
Luit, that Lilium 'Orange Marmalade' has Lilium tsingtauense in its background, doesn't it?
Yes, I found it's a L. xdalhansonii x tsingtauense.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 02, 2008, 08:47:44 PM
Today there was a special day for Iris and Allium in and around the Showhall.
There were many entries and of Iris I chose to make pictures of Iris barbata,
though there were a mass of Iris hollandica too, but I had to make a choice.

First the Iris:

Iris barbata Amethyst Flame               
Iris barbata Burgermeister                 
Iris barbata Edith Woolford               
Iris barbata Far Galaxies     
Iris barbata Money Maker         
Iris barbata Paradise           
Iris barbata Penny and Pinch         
Iris barbata Pinnacle             
Iris barbata Royal Satin       
Iris barbata Sultan's Palace             
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 02, 2008, 09:02:17 PM
There was one entry with Paeonia and then followed by Allium,
many of them possibly useful for small gardens:


Paeonia Ping Pom Pom               
Allium overview
Allium amphibolum                 
Allium amplectens white sel.   
Allium atropurpureum 1             
Allium atropurpureum 2           
Allium caesium Zaamin 1     
Allium caesium Zaamin 2           
Allium carolinianum   
Allium Ambassador
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 02, 2008, 10:10:07 PM
the next batch:             

Allium cernuum  dwarf form white 1                 
Allium cernuum  dwarf form white 2             
Allium cernuum Mix 1                           
Allium cernuum Mix 2                               
Allium cneorum [ fr. Alaska] 1               
Allium cneorum [ fr. Alaska] 2             
Allium convallarioides pink sel.                 
Allium Firmament                             
Allium jajlae                             
Allium litwinovii   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 02, 2008, 10:15:00 PM
Allium obliquum 1       
Allium obliquum 2                     
Allium maximowiczii + maximowiczii White             
Allium moly                 
Allium pallasii                       
Allium przewalskianum                               
Allium rosenbachianum Kwakense 1                 
Allium rosenbachianum Kwakense 2                 
Allium oreophyllum Agalik's Giant     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 02, 2008, 10:19:18 PM
And the last batch:

Allium sarawschanicum                   
Allium pseudo-sarawschanicum   
Allium schoenophrasum                 
Allium unifolium 
Allium unifolium sel. 1       
Allium unifolium sel. 2
Allium unifolium Chris Dwarp 1     
Allium unifolium Chris Dwarp 2     
Allium Utopia               
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on June 02, 2008, 10:34:29 PM
I must not let Ian see these Allium... he will want to grow them all !
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Carlo on June 02, 2008, 10:37:46 PM
He's the bulb despot! He doesn't have them all already???
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on June 02, 2008, 10:44:14 PM
No, Carlo, he only has a few Allium.... meantime!!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Jim McKenney on June 02, 2008, 10:49:36 PM
Luit, these pictures are really whetting my appetite for even more alliums. There are already plenty of them growing in my garden, but you are showing some which I have never seen.

Blooming here now is  A. obliquum, a particular favorite, and so too is the white flowered form of A. maximowiczii
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 02, 2008, 11:14:13 PM
What an incredible collection of alliums. I never imagined there were so many. Janis Ruksans must have had something to do with the introduction of many, judging from his recent book.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on June 03, 2008, 06:39:34 AM
I am not a specail lover of alliums, but believe me, I was extremely fascinated with pics showed. Fantastic!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 10, 2008, 04:54:21 PM
Some pictures from this week, Paeonia and Iris barbata were over already.

Alstroemeria aurea       
Alstroemeria aurea Orange King           
Iris hollandica Berwick       
Iris hollandica Royal Aberdeen           
Iris hollandica Golden Beauty     
Iris hollandica Eros   
Iris hollandica Murfield           
Iris hollandica Hirono   
Iris hollandica Purple Rock           
Iris hollandica Vilamoura
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 10, 2008, 04:55:19 PM
and one Ixia:

Ixia Blauwe Vogel             
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Post by: art600 on June 10, 2008, 05:05:41 PM
Luit
You saved the best until last.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on June 10, 2008, 06:50:47 PM
I like Iris hollandica Hirono!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 16, 2008, 10:19:18 PM
From today's show some interesting flowers:

Allium chrysocephalum                 
Allium neriniflorum               
Alstroemeria aurea Lutea         
Alstroemeria aurea Splendens         
Allium vineale Hair       
Triteleia Ellen         
Alstroemeria Dandy Candy Hybr. 1     
Alstroemeria Dandy Candy Hybr. 2       
Alstroemeria Dandy Candy rood         
Haemanthus hirsutus Pretoria Form   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 16, 2008, 11:05:45 PM
Love the Allium veneale 'Hair' but I guess all those little bulbils will fall off to colonize one's best bit of garden?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Jim McKenney on June 17, 2008, 12:46:52 AM
Last week I was visiting a friend who lives in the country and rents her fields to local farmers. Evidently the farmers had used herbicide on the fields: most broad leaf plants in the fields showed obvious herbicide damage. But standing tall and seemingly utterly unscathed were hundreds, maybe thousands, of Allium vineale. The clusters of bulbils glowed a soft garnet in the sun and made a nice contrast with the leaves sprouting from them. It was tempting to pick out the ones which in the old days might have appeared on lists as comosum, comatum, hirsitum, polytrichum, villosum, capillosum, dasycephalum, caput-medusae, jubatum, pilosum and so on: telling them apart would be very hairy.  ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 24, 2008, 09:36:27 AM
This week we saw a nice collection of modern Triteleia and a good form
of Brodiaea californica:

Brodiaea californica Babylon 1                 
Brodiaea californica Babylon 2         
Triteleia Ocean Queen         
Triteleia Silver Queen 
Triteleia Purple Princess 1   
Triteleia Purple Princess 2       
Triteleia Blue Star 1   
Triteleia Blue Star 2   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 01, 2008, 06:46:52 PM
Yesterday at the show:
Of the Allium I found the stem more impressive than the flower.
Of the Calochortus some pictures are taken at my house, because the
exhibitor left some spare flowers, so we do have a wonderful bunch in a vase now.

Allium psekimense       
Allium psekimense 1             
Allium psekimense 2           
Calochortus             
Calochortus 1           
Calochortus 2           
Calochortus Golden Orb   
              (Which is actually a good dark stable seed strain of C. luteus.)       
Calochortus Violet Queen       
Calochortus Superbus   
Calochortus 3   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on July 01, 2008, 06:55:03 PM
Beautiful Calochortus, I have yet to see one I don't like.
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Post by: Maggi Young on July 01, 2008, 07:58:09 PM

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Beautiful Calochortus, I have yet to see one I don't like.

I just had to check it was you who said that, David.....it could so easily have been the Calochortus King.... David King, formerly of Sheffield and now of Perthshire! He adores them too... well, why wouldn't you?

How glamorous to have them as cut flowers! 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on July 01, 2008, 08:50:35 PM
Is that the same David King who wrote the Frit. section in 'Bulbs of North America'?  Incidentally the aforementioned book is excellent with a very useful section on Calochortus. I picked it up from an USA bookshop on the Abe Books Web Site for $2.50 plus a couple of $'s p and p

'Bulbs of North America'  Edited by Jane McGary, published by NARGS
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on July 01, 2008, 09:24:07 PM
Quote
Is that the same David King who wrote the Frit. section in 'Bulbs of North America'?
Yes, that's the chap!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 01, 2008, 10:04:22 PM
They certainly are beautiful and worth growing from seed supplied by someone like Ron Ratko who collects over a wide area and so gets plenty of variation within each species.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on July 02, 2008, 03:05:19 PM
 :o :o as so many others Luit, I adore the Calochortus too !
Thanks for showing them and let us know how long they keep in the vase !
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Magnar on July 04, 2008, 06:56:47 PM
Wonderful Calocorthus pics... thank you. They don't do well in my garden. Probably my summer is now warm enough.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 07, 2008, 02:00:16 PM
:o :o as so many others Luit, I adore the Calochortus too !
Thanks for showing them and let us know how long they keep in the vase !

Luc, I can say that we today the whole bunch threw away.
All the buds were opening day after day and I was very surprised.
Yesterday I counted still 30 open flowers on app. 15 stems!
Today, the flowers I pictured  last week in the Show Room were still there and o.k.,
but there is a constant temp. of 15 C.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 08, 2008, 09:43:38 AM
This week there is a big exhibition of Agapanthus in the Show Hall.
I found the first pictured A. Sofie very special innovation, because of the
very dark blue flowers and the compact inflorescence, which will be very
welcome for cutflower production.

And another S. African Chasmanthe which still awaits a break-through
in cultivation and trade was showed too.

Agapanthus Sofie   
Agapanthus Bluety                     
Agapanthus Lilliput                 
Agapanthus Paris                   
Chasmanthe floribunda var. duckittii           
Chasmanthe floribunda var. duckittii 2                 
Chasmanthe floribunda 
Chasmanthe floribunda 2
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 21, 2008, 10:12:54 PM
Today was special show for Gladiolus.
The old Gl. nanus Prins Claus was one of a few nanus cvs.
The others were newer hybrids.
All cultivars were judged by the Gladiolus Committee of the KAVB.
Here some pictures:

Gladiolus nanus Prins Claus
Gladiolus mixed
Gladiolus pink seedling             
Gladiolus Ollanda             
Gladiolus Sunglow               
Gladiolus seedl.       
Gladiolus Soul   
Gladiolus Mariangel
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 22, 2008, 12:16:18 AM
I think these are beautiful and I have bought 3 vars myself, this year, 'Charm,' 'Halley' and 'Mirella' but I think it's a shame the newer forms are looking less and less like the original species and more and more like the bigger, "Dame Edna" kinds. It would be really good to have the colours in the older, more delicate-looking form.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 22, 2008, 08:35:30 AM
I agree, Lesley,
it would be nice if someone did some more "close to species" gladdie breeding ( no offence, Aunty Edna!).
The G. nanus Prins Claus looks like what goes around here by the name "Nymph" or am I confusing it with something else?
Thanks for all the pics, Luit.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on July 22, 2008, 11:53:19 AM
The ones closer to the species type are very beautiful, but I must confess a sneaking admiration for the big border types, too.... hurray for Dame Edna popularising these showy giants!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on July 22, 2008, 12:16:17 PM
Since we can grow gladiolus without lifting them in the winter I have bought some. The Big ones are nice to have as cutflowers and in the right place they are nicely dramatic in the garden. I also bought a smaller one and it was very nice. So I think both types have their purpose.

I am impressed by the different agapanthus. To me there is only two kinds white and blue and they are are borderline on weed in Portugal while in Sweden they are treasures that get shelter every winter and new and bigger pots. I would have hoped that they different variety would come to Portugal as well so that we could enjoy some more variants.
Luit it is interesting to see this as it might be the future we see already today so thanks for showing it to us.  8) :o
Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on July 22, 2008, 12:32:22 PM
Quote
Luit it is interesting to see this as it might be the future we see already today so thanks for showing it to us.   
Kind regards
Joakim

Joakim, I think this is very true.... so many of the super varieties which Luit shows us are probably the very first time these flowers have been seen by the public in such a way.... very exciting indeed!  8) :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 22, 2008, 07:11:30 PM
The G. nanus Prins Claus looks like what goes around here by the name "Nymph" or am I confusing it with something else?
Thanks for all the pics, Luit.
cheers
fermi

Fermi, in the description I read that G. 'Prins Claus' has clear white flowers with
fuchsia markings on the lower tepals.
G. 'Nymph' is similar, but the spear-shaped markings have a white centre.
Here are two detail pictures:
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 22, 2008, 07:23:20 PM
Normally I like the small Gladiolus more than the big ones, but that's maybe more because I have worked with the big ones (cutting the flowers) for many years when I was young.
I remember they were always heavy and often wet early in the morning or when raining.
But when I see the improvement in form and shape I am impressed.
There were many more I could have shown but they were impossible to photograph
standing against the windows of the Hall.
I showed one vase with the Pink seedling, then you see what I mean.
This Cultivar was really beautiful, but impossible to show you what I saw.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 23, 2008, 01:53:23 AM
Fermi, in the description I read that G. 'Prins Claus' has clear white flowers with
fuchsia markings on the lower tepals.
G. 'Nymph' is similar, but the spear-shaped markings have a white centre.
Thank you, Luit,
That clears that up. I just need to remember this for when they flower over here!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 29, 2008, 10:03:21 AM
Yesterday was Gladiolus Day again at the show.
Here some pictures of the bigger ones:

Gladiolus 1         
Gladiolus 2 
Gladiolus 6
Gladiolus 3       
Gladiolus 4     
Gladiolus 5     
Gladiolus Tineke
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 29, 2008, 10:04:54 AM
And there were also some smallflowered ones to see:

Gladiolus 7       
Gladiolus Flevo Dancer         
Gladiolus Flevo Laguna         
Gladiolus Flevo Smile   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 29, 2008, 10:08:08 AM
But there was more to see:
Dahlia ass.             
Echinacea Mix             

Leucocoryne Blue Ocean + overview         
Leucocoryne Dione 1   
Leucocoryne Dione 2     
Leucocoryne White Dream           
Leucocoryne Spotlight 2           
Leucocoryne Spotlight           
Leucocoryne Sunny Stripe 1         
Leucocoryne Sunny Stripe 2     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on July 29, 2008, 11:13:53 AM
Luit it is a great treat to have this lovely flowers to look at.
I liked the small flowered gladiolus and the Echinacea mix the most. Nice varieties and a lot more than what I normally see.

Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: art600 on July 29, 2008, 12:03:53 PM
Luit

Thank you for continuing to provide us with wonderful flowers.  Have not seen Leucoryne before and did not realise they were so varied.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 05, 2008, 07:10:22 PM
This week the Showhall was filled with mostly Gladiolus.
I show just a few smallflowered ones.
Interesting is to see the development in Coreopsis. In the USA is a breeder
trying to make other colours using annual and perennial ones.
In the mixed bunch are already some reasonably hardy ones.
Then one exhibitor showed several Crocosmia.
Gladiolus small 1     
Gladiolus small 2       
Gladiolus small 3     
Coreopsis Salsa Series         
Ajuga reptans Arctic Fox
Crocosmia 1           
Crocosmia 2         
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 05, 2008, 07:12:22 PM
And there was one bouquet with the South African Babiana.
On my way home I saw a field where they were cultivated.
Here is a part of the field. Other colours were just starting to flower.

Babiana stricta 
Babiana field           
Babiana
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on August 05, 2008, 07:19:52 PM
Thank you Luit. Oh I do like those Babianas.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on August 05, 2008, 07:35:56 PM
Thank you Luit. Oh I do like those Babianas.
So do I , David, the colour range is lovely. The varieties of Coreopsis are so cheery, too...hard to beat a good daisy, isn't it?
Luit, great that you show us the fields of Babiana to match as well.... 8) The views must make your travel all the more pleasant, eh?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 05, 2008, 10:16:38 PM
I love the Ajuga 'Arctic Fox,' but here I find it burns very easily and has to be grown in full shade, or else watered daily through the summer.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 07, 2008, 10:49:24 AM
Luit, great that you show us the fields of Babiana to match as well.... 8) The views must make your travel all the more pleasant, eh?
Several times a week a make a cycling tour through our area and take a pocket camera with me.
Beginning of July I saw this field with Freesia and this week I took a picture again.
The smell of this field is enormous.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on August 07, 2008, 02:14:41 PM
Oh, my word! I can only imagine the wonderful fragrance..... I would LOVE to experience that scent for real. Delicious!  I could not cycle past, that, Luit, I'd have to sit down and just enjoy. Thank goodness for your pocket camera!

I believe that it is a recognised medical fact that some people, who are able to receive other scents perfectly well, are totally unable to know the scent of Freesia.... poor souls, they have my deep sympathy.  Of course there are some people ( I'm thinking about you, here, Jean) who have no sense of smell but the ones I am speaking about can smell all other scents, sweet or sour, whatever, but cannot distinguish ANY scent from Freesias!!  :o

Mind you, i have thought myself that nowadays some florists' freesias are less fragrant than they used to be... I suppose this is a result of certain breeding strains, like in roses which lost a lot of scent over the years. I am more than pleased to learn that there still exist such colourful fields of pure scent to delight our senses.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 07, 2008, 03:08:00 PM
Maggi, this place is only less than 1 Km. from our place and when the wind has the
right direction, we sit in the garden (or work  ;D ) and enjoy the smell for hours!
It is really a smell which is so sweet and not agressive like Hyacinths. Smelling H. for hours leaves you with a strong headache. ::) ::) ;)
The biggest part of the field is under fleece or something likely, and I am still puzzling why.
They are in full flower and I presume it is against viruses or they let them self pollinate to
keep clean colour strains.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on August 07, 2008, 03:19:35 PM
Luit, does Vroni need a housemaid, by any chance ? ::) :D ;D 
I know my own house is untidy, but for a few hours scenting outside each day, then I could really do good work for her!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 08, 2008, 09:56:56 AM
Luit, does Vroni need a housemaid, by any chance ? ::) :D ;D 
I know my own house is untidy, but for a few hours scenting outside each day, then I could really do good work for her!
Maggi, Vroni said for such a good help she always has a spare room!
But I personally doubt if you would be of good help inside, when scenting outside  ;D ;D ;D .
Nevertheless outside is always some gardeningwork available.... ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on August 08, 2008, 04:24:11 PM
Luit, you know me too well!  ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on August 12, 2008, 10:47:00 AM
The Freesia fields look wonderful - I suppose it would make the grower angry if I went and rolled around in it like a cat with catmint??? ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on August 12, 2008, 11:07:54 AM
Depends if you can purr provocatively at the same time Anne ... ?   ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on August 12, 2008, 11:12:20 AM
I can purr, Cliff!!  Just a piece of trivia I thought I'd share.  ;D

Luit,

Fantastic pics as always.  The freesia fields are simply stunning.  I can only imagine the perfume!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on August 12, 2008, 11:45:54 AM
I can purr, Cliff!!  Just a piece of trivia I thought I'd share.  ;D


Would that be 'purr ... spire' Paul?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on August 12, 2008, 12:36:06 PM
Nah, I was thinking more that it was 'purr...fect' Cliff!  ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 09, 2008, 10:17:20 PM
Some pictures of plants shown this week:

Eucomis Lotte 1       
Eucomis Lotte 2   
Eucomis comosa Red Stem Type               
Eucomis pole-evansii                 

Seldom seen here, but probably because Lycoris seem to flower rarely in culture:

Lycoris aurea               
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on September 09, 2008, 10:31:59 PM
Super looking Eucomis 'Lotte' Luit, a nice sheen to the flowers.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on September 09, 2008, 11:03:23 PM
Super photos, Luit.
I bought a couple of a red/burgundy leaved Eucomis and they have grown well but the leaves, which I was surprised at the length of ( they must be around 75cms at least) have been badly battered by the fierce gusting winds we have had lately. I just hope there is enough strength in them still to feed up the plants some more before winter.

The Lycoris is a great colour... have not seen that shade before.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 16, 2008, 04:32:14 PM
The Lycoris is a great colour... have not seen that shade before.

This week I heard, that it might possibly Lycoris traubii.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 16, 2008, 10:12:20 PM
This week there were many Lilium on the show, but I made my choice
for Dahlia, because it is their time of flowering now.
And again on show Bessera, with their elegant flowers.
Finally a nice pot with Sternbergia.

Bessera elegans                     
Dahlia Créme de la Créme             
Dahlia Geerling's Sorbet   
Dahlia Ginger Snap             
Dahlia Orange Head         
Dahlia Pugsley               
Dahlia Purple Pearl                 
Dahlia Silver City             
Sternbergia sicula Arcadian Sun
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on September 16, 2008, 10:23:14 PM
Beautiful images yet again, Luit. Our thanks once more.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: art600 on September 17, 2008, 09:42:02 AM
Luit

Thanks for continuing to bring us these beautiful images.

What a wonderful pot of sternbergia.  :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on September 17, 2008, 10:29:02 AM
Luit, the images from Lisse never cease to amaze and delight me!
The Bessera flowers are so elegant but my eye was also taken by the clever way of holding them in the vase... effective and attractive... a good tip there for  displaying flowers with "thin"  stems .

The dahlias are perfect for this time...... the names are as good as the flowers, I think, lots of fun with some of them... but.... I really think that here in Aberdeen, "the silver city by the grey north sea"... we SHOULD be growing 'Silver City'  8) ;D 8)

Super pot of Sternbergia...I love these though I am  always puzzled by the naming of these bulbs... I am following closely the photos and names given in the Sternbergia thread.......sadly sometimes they are all just pretty yellowbulbs... I must do more work to learn this bulb's "life" !! ::) :-[ :-\
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 17, 2008, 05:02:11 PM

The dahlias are perfect for this time...... the names are as good as the flowers, I think, lots of fun with some of them... but.... I really think that here in Aberdeen, "the silver city by the grey north sea"... we SHOULD be growing 'Silver City'  8) ;D 8)

Maggi,
I read that in UK Dahlia's are rather popular, so I thought maybe "Silver City" was first raised in Scotland.
But it seems that this one is raised by a certain Rev Brother Simplicius, Leicester UK. in 1969.
He was certainly impressed by the city of Aberdeen... :D
It's always so interesting to know some backgrounds of a plant.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Martin Baxendale on September 17, 2008, 05:33:59 PM

The dahlias are perfect for this time...... the names are as good as the flowers, I think, lots of fun with some of them... but.... I really think that here in Aberdeen, "the silver city by the grey north sea"... we SHOULD be growing 'Silver City'  8) ;D 8)

Maggi,
I read that in UK Dahlia's are rather popular, so I thought maybe "Silver City" was first raised in Scotland.
But it seems that this one is raised by a certain Rev Brother Simplicius, Leicester UK. in 1969.
He was certainly impressed by the city of Aberdeen... :D
It's always so interesting to know some backgrounds of a plant.


I think it's more likely that, as it was raised in Leicester, the dahlia was named for the city of Leicester which historically was a major centre for silver working with a high concentration of silversmiths working in the city and one of its most historical street named Silver Street.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Jim McKenney on September 17, 2008, 06:25:23 PM
Here's a closer look at Bessera elegans, which began blooming here in Maryland today.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Jim McKenney on September 17, 2008, 07:00:48 PM
Super pot of Sternbergia...I love these though I am  always puzzled by the naming of these bulbs... I am following closely the photos and names given in the Sternbergia thread.......sadly sometimes they are all just pretty yellowbulbs... I must do more work to learn this bulb's "life" !! ::) :-[ :-\

Maggi, where is the Sternbergia thread? I have several pots here with dubious names - I can use some help here!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on September 17, 2008, 08:23:40 PM
Jim, Sternbergia thread is here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1208.60

Really coveting a Bessera -  will have a word with Big John Amand, I think, he had some last year  ::)

Martin, I expect you are correct, though when you are next in Aberdeen you may dine here using Aberdeen silver and we can show you OUR Silver Street and Golden Square!! ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Martin Baxendale on September 17, 2008, 08:55:44 PM
Martin, I expect you are correct, though when you are next in Aberdeen you may dine here using Aberdeen silver and we can show you OUR Silver Street and Golden Square!! ;)

That would be why you call it the silver city by the grey North Sea then, Maggi? I did wonder. The one time I visited Aberdeen, as a kid in the early 1960s, to help hand out CND leaflets outside the football ground on a cold, wet winter's day, I have to say I don't recall it being terribly silvery!  :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on September 17, 2008, 09:04:14 PM
Now you are teasing me, Martin, you must know that the hometown of the Bulb Despot is famed for the sparkle and shimmer of the grey granite of its buildings ...shining silver  in the sunshine and clear light of the northeast................ ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on September 17, 2008, 09:07:40 PM
I can see the need for CND leaflets at Pittodrie mind.... many folks DO think the team could do with blowin' up! ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on September 17, 2008, 09:29:01 PM
Yes, I thought it was odd to have the words 'football' and 'Aberdeen' used in the same sentence ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on September 17, 2008, 09:40:59 PM
Yes, David, the glory days of winning in Gothenburg are a LONG time ago! ;D :-X :(
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 17, 2008, 10:07:37 PM
I can see the need for CND leaflets at Pittodrie  mind.... many folks DO think the team could do with blowin' up! ;)

 ??? ???
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on September 17, 2008, 10:14:22 PM
Luit, sorry, I will explain.... CND is the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament. Aberdeen Football Club, which has had termendous success in the past, has, for some years, been really bad... thus the opinion that they might be better to be blown up, whether by using nuclear or other explosives  ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 17, 2008, 10:21:17 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Thanks Maggi!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 17, 2008, 10:45:04 PM

Maggi, where is the Sternbergia thread? I have several pots here with dubious names - I can use some help here!

Jim, here we discussed Sternbergia last year too:

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=969.msg22838#msg22838 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=969.msg22838#msg22838)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 17, 2008, 11:22:19 PM
Quote
Really coveting a Bessera -  will have a word with Big John Amand, I think, he had some last year 

Maggi, I made last week a picture of a bed where Bessera is cultivated.
Sorry the place was a little far from the road where I was cycling, but it
gives some idea, I hope.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on September 18, 2008, 10:57:48 AM
Ooh! How lovely!  Yes, I must try some, now that I see they are field grown... I had thought that even in the Netherlands they would be greenhouse subjects.
 Thanks Luit!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 18, 2008, 09:33:08 PM
Maggi, they are cultivated like many other bulbs from the S.H..
They were planted (in April/May) next to a field with Crinum.
It's not far from me and I know the man who grows them.
Will try to have a chat with him.
Here a picture of the Crinum field.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on September 18, 2008, 09:55:41 PM
Oh, my word, a Crinum field! Amazing to see these... thank you for showing us these Luit!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 19, 2008, 09:24:49 PM
Today I made a visit to one of the best Dahlia breeder/growers in the Netherlands.
Here I saw again the Dahlia Silver City and I told the man what I found out about
the name and where it came from.
He was a little surprised that I knew the name of the Reverent Brother Simplicius and did
not know that Leicester was once a Silver City.
But he knew him personally because the Rev. had visited his garden in Holland and
told me he had a photo of the Brother Simplicius.
So I made a picture of it where the reverent is showing 5 Dahlia's.
He is holding 3 D. Silver City, which was described on the back of the photo.
A picture of his handwriting I show here too.
I made many pictures in the Showgarden today, which I hope to show when I
fixed them.
       
Dahlia Silver City           
Rev. Simplicius               
Rev. Simplicius backside text. (modified L.)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on September 19, 2008, 09:38:38 PM
Luit,
amazing fields of Bessera & Crinum. You really live in the bulb center ;D
Very interesting -Silver City- story.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on September 19, 2008, 10:08:27 PM
Luit, what an interesting day  you had... and have then given us.... thank you.
 I must say I had no idea the Silver City blooms were so BIG!!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 19, 2008, 10:34:52 PM
Luit, what an interesting day  you had... and have then given us.... thank you.
 I must say I had no idea the Silver City blooms were so BIG!!
Maggi, Silver City is "moderate", only between 20 and 25 cm. There are much bigger ones.
Will show some soon, I hope.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on September 19, 2008, 11:02:03 PM

Maggi, Silver City is "moderate", only between 20 and 25 cm. There are much bigger ones.
Will show some soon, I hope.

Moderate at 25-25cms ??!! 
The huge size that Dahlia flowers can attain is astonishing to me. I konw there are very large Chrysanthemum varieties also, we usually only see these at flower shows, of course... it seems there is a fondness for the giant flower as well as the giant vegetables at these shows......such a contrast with thealpineflowers... yet many of the ancestors of these massive blooms were quite modest sized wild flowers in the beginning ...there is no chocolate under these fields is there, Luit? These flowers are from breeding not feeding!!  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on September 20, 2008, 09:53:50 PM
Luit, can that really be his handwriting? It seems to give his date of death.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 20, 2008, 11:16:31 PM
Luit, can that really be his handwriting? It seems to give his date of death.
Anne, at least one person who noticed my mistake.  ;D
I noticed the same, when fixing my other pictures and looked at the picture
of the backside again and read mor carefully then.
Did not earlier have time today, to modify my posting.
Will do soon!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 23, 2008, 10:49:09 PM
This time it was a very interesting show!
In the first batch first some Sternbergia.

Note the twoflowered stem of St. Autumn Gold cl.
The last picture shows a plant which could be as well a St. greuteriana.
But literature is not really clear about this I heard.

Sternbergia spec. Italie       
Sternbergia spec. Italie cl.                       
Sternbergia angustifolia       
Sternbergia angustifolia cl.   
Sternbergia angustifolia Autumn Gold         
Sternbergia angustifolia Autumn Gold cl.       
Sternbergia sicula       
Sternbergia sicula ssp. graeca       
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 23, 2008, 10:54:38 PM
In the next batches I show a collection of Haemanthus Hybrids.

Haemanthus coll.
                 
Haemanthus Hybr. (H. albiflos x H. coccineus) 1   
Haemanthus Hybr. (H. albiflos x H. coccineus) 1a               
Haemanthus Hybr. (H. albiflos x H. coccineus) 2                 
Haemanthus Hybr. (H. albiflos x H. coccineus) 2a                 
Haemanthus Hybr. (H. albiflos x H. deformis) 1               
Haemanthus Hybr. (H. albiflos x H. deformis) 2             
Haemanthus Hybr. (H. albiflos x H. deformis) cl.     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 23, 2008, 10:58:37 PM
The last picture is a plant where the leaves are more in proportion with the whole plant.
The final goal is to develop plants with good leaves, short stems and good colours.

Haemanthus albiflos Tetraploide vorm       
Haemanthus albiflos Tetraploide vorm 2     
Haemanthus Hybr. 3x (H. albiflos (tetraploid) x H. coccineus) 1               
Haemanthus Hybr. 3x (H. albiflos (tetraploid) x H. coccineus) 1a               
Haemanthus Hybr. 3x (H. albiflos (tetraploid) x H. coccineus) 2           
Haemanthus Hybr. 3x (H. albiflos (tetraploid) x H. coccineus) 2a             
Haemanthus Hybride Bladstand                             
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on September 23, 2008, 11:34:41 PM
Maggi, we so often seem to have "two minds with but a single thought" if not "two hearts that beat as one" because the first thing that I thought when seeing the stunning jar of Bessera, was "what a great way to hold them up and display them." I'll certainly use that method for assorted flowers with thin stems and that flop all over the place.

Somehow, a large 4-pack of duty-free Ferrero Rocher chocs found its way into my luggage on Monday!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on September 24, 2008, 08:00:39 AM
Wow Luit - Great Sternbergia !!!!  :o
I didn't realize Holland had the long hot Summer this year to give them the baking they need to flower so profusely  ??? ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on September 24, 2008, 12:55:25 PM
Wow Luit - Great Sternbergia !!!!  :o
I didn't realize Holland had the long hot Summer this year to give them the baking they need to flower so profusely  ??? ;D

Luc,
maybe the "flower" secret is that all of the Sternbergias are grown in sand ;) ::)

Luit,
thanks for the weekly flower show  ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 24, 2008, 04:52:05 PM
Wow Luit - Great Sternbergia !!!!  :o
I didn't realize Holland had the long hot Summer this year to give them the baking they need to flower so profusely  ??? ;D
Luc, when Dutch gardeners don't get nice warm weather, they make it.
You should know that... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 30, 2008, 04:55:34 PM
This time of year every week we see less entries, which is understandable for
the time of year.
But in spite of that, there were some interesting plants to see;

Dahlia Mariska
Allium thunbergii 1       
Allium thunbergii 2         
Chirita sinensis 1   
Chirita sinensis  2 
Chirita sinensis 3     

and a new type Dahlia, which seems to be a good one for cutting and
useful in arrangements:

Dahlia VK 9   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on September 30, 2008, 05:19:18 PM
Luit, yet again you improve my education. Chirita is a flower I had never heard of before and it's lovely. Just caught up with your pics of Haemanthus from last week's Show, beautiful.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on October 01, 2008, 06:49:20 PM
Luit,
Dahlia Mariska is a real beauty :o :o
Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on October 02, 2008, 02:18:30 PM
Luit
Lovely plants:)
Are there any cyclamen, crocus or colchicum at the show?
I ask since these might come in mass production so that we in Portugal can enjoy them in 10 year or so. They already exist but making a good thing better is often what we want!

Well done and thanks for showing us.
Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 02, 2008, 04:01:06 PM
Joakim, there are sometimes other bulbous plants like cyclamen too,
but then I find the quality not so good to make a picture.
Colchicum and Crocus are mostly not cultivated in pots for shows.
This is mostly for economic reasons.
I am just reporting what there is and when I like something I make pictures.
You must consider it is not a show for the SHOW.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on October 02, 2008, 10:29:01 PM
I thought it was a way for someone with a nice new plant to see if it is worth introducing. So if someone found a nice crocus or cyclamen or a colchicum amongst there plants that they would pot them up and show them off. That new plant could come about as a chance seedlings or spots or with deliberate breeding but I was wondering if the "things to come" of the c, c and c could be seen already now?
Thanks again for taking us there.
Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 02, 2008, 10:45:24 PM
It is a way to show a nice new plant to see if it is worth introducing Joakim, but you
need the gardener(s) which take the trouble or make a one or two hours driving with
one pot of a Crocus, knowing that he never will get the price in trade, he deserves ... ::) ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on October 02, 2008, 10:57:07 PM
Luit I did not think of that practical side of it :-\
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerry Webster on October 02, 2008, 11:06:45 PM
Luit - I've only just caught up with the Sternbergias. Wonderful! Has the identity  of  the cultivar 'Autumn Gold' changed?. In the UK it is distributed as S. lutea 'Autumn Gold'.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 03, 2008, 10:03:40 PM
Luit - I've only just caught up with the Sternbergias. Wonderful! Has the identity  of  the cultivar 'Autumn Gold' changed?. In the UK it is distributed as S. lutea 'Autumn Gold'.

Gerry, S. lutea angustifolia is re baptised into 'Autumn Gold' and probably registered by the KAVB,
which is the official Bulb Registrar. That all I can say about this.
All plants shown every week are taken up for the records and when a name is not right, it is
discussed by the Special Bulb Committee members.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 07, 2008, 11:30:59 AM
Not so many plants this week but at least some interesting ones.
The first one is a very easy plant, propagating by seed, which you can see on pict. 2

Arthropodium candidum 1         
Arthropodium candidum 2           
Arthropodium candidum 3       

Lilium formosanum ssp. iwarense

Phaedranassa was grown from seed and this plant might be about 20 years old now.

Phaedranassa chloracea 1       
Phaedranassa chloracea 2       

Really a highlight of the show was an arrangement of Autumn flowering bulbs.
I show some details of the arrangement too

Herfst arrangement bijgoed 1     
Herfstarr.  det. 1   
Herfstarr.  det. 2   
Herfstarr.  det. 3 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on October 07, 2008, 11:56:10 AM
Luit,
wonderful pictures!!! Crocus arangement looks quite pritty. The blue crocus speciosus with white anthers in your lst picture reminds me my crocus peciosus Pambak.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Hans J on October 07, 2008, 12:20:50 PM
Hi Luit ,

Many thanks for showing the Phaedranassa pics - really nice !

....but I have really a problem with the ID of all this Phaedranassas ...they look for me more or less similar !
Please look :

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1163.0

Thank you again
Hans
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on October 07, 2008, 06:32:35 PM
Luit,
what a pretty autuum flower wreath. My wife would love it if she could see.
So many nice croci and colchicums :o
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on October 07, 2008, 06:45:04 PM
Armin, in the pretty flower arrangement, you forgot  to mention the snowdrops!  ::) ;)

This is the nicest collection of flowers I have seen in a long while!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on October 07, 2008, 10:41:59 PM
The Arthropodium is a NZ native and one has to be really besotted with the concept of growing natives to bother with this little plant which can easily become a terrible weed from seeding about into everything. "Once bitten, twice shy."
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 07, 2008, 10:58:54 PM
The Arthropodium is a NZ native and one has to be really besotted with the concept of growing natives to bother with this little plant which can easily become a terrible weed from seeding about into everything. "Once bitten, twice shy."
I thought something like that Lesley.
But here, with our wet winters and in between hard frosts without snow, it is no problem.
It will not survive for long.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerard Oud on October 08, 2008, 05:36:54 AM
We should not forget the snowdrops in the center, where they belong of course. ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on October 08, 2008, 06:15:29 AM
Yes Gerard, this is the point!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 08, 2008, 06:57:25 AM
Hi Luit , Many thanks for showing the Phaedranassa pics - really nice !

....but I have really a problem with the ID of all this Phaedranassas ...they look for me more or less similar !
Hans
Hans, I googled a bit and found P. dubia and P cinerea pictures, which look the same as
the one I showed.
So I think the Committee will have some discussion about the naming soon.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 08, 2008, 07:06:32 AM
We should not forget the snowdrops in the center, where they belong of course. ;D

I knew that at least a few of the Forumist would see the Snowdrop.
Or should I have put this arrangement into the Test Your Skill  pages?
That would be to easy for most of you, won't it? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 14, 2008, 04:34:44 PM
Though not so many entries, there is always something very interesting
to see at she Showhall.
This week a vase with a beautiful Asclepias, a really white form of
Nerine bowdenii and a pan with an Araceae with seeds instead of flowers.
Hope you enjoy, like I did.

Asclepias Beatrix 1       
Asclepias Beatrix 2                     
Galanthus reginae-olgae             
Galanthus reginae-olgae cl.               
Nerine Bella Donna                 
Nerine bowdenii Edelweiss   
Nerine bowdenii Edelweiss cl.               
Sauromatum nubicum   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 15, 2008, 02:17:08 AM
Though not so many entries, there is always something very interesting
to see at she Showhall.... a really white form of Nerine bowdenii                
Nerine bowdenii Edelweiss   
Now, Luit, this is very interesting as I didn't know there was such a thing!
I suppose if it had to be, it would be found in Holland!
Thanks for showing it (and all the other wonderful things) to us,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 15, 2008, 10:34:48 AM
Keep'em coming Luit !  ;D
You continue to surprise us every week !
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 29, 2008, 07:47:52 AM
Monday there was a beautiful entry with Nerine in the Showhall.
The aim of the breeder is to select varieties which can grow and flower outside
and suitable for cutting, which means no costs for energy!
Since a few years it is easier to breed more and better colours in the N. bowdenii Group.
The ones shown here are all from outside:

Nerine Groep 02                 
Nerine Groep 03
Nerine bowdenii Seedl.
Nerine bowdenii Seedl. 1       
Nerine bowdenii Seedl. 2
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 29, 2008, 07:52:06 AM
The first one of the second batch is called Nerine Bella Donna and
is probably from the same crosses as the already existing Nerine Zeal Giant.

Nerine Bella Donna     

Nerine crispa Seedl. 1           
Nerine crispa Seedl. 3       

very attractive was a vase with hybids. 
The last picture shows one separated flowerstem.

Nerine Elegance Hybr. 1     
Nerine Elegance seedl.   
Nerine Elegance Hybr. 2
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: johnw on October 29, 2008, 06:54:18 PM
Luit - A fantastic show of Nerines, thanks so much.

It is hard to believe the colour variation in the bowdeniis.

johnw - overcast & +11c
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on October 29, 2008, 08:05:13 PM
These are very good, so much better than the rather vulgar pink of staright N. bowdenii.

I also like the Sauromatum on the previous page, seeds I guess, like some obscene eruption about to happen. Certainly messy and probably smelly as well. ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: johnw on October 29, 2008, 08:10:03 PM
These are very good, so much better than the rather vulgar pink of staright N. bowdenii.

Any vulgar pink thing welcome here in November!

johnw
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on October 29, 2008, 08:53:32 PM
These are very good, so much better than the rather vulgar pink of staright N. bowdenii.

Any vulgar pink thing welcome here in November!

johnw

I'm willing to visit John. ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: johnw on October 29, 2008, 09:25:50 PM
These are very good, so much better than the rather vulgar pink of staright N. bowdenii.

Any vulgar pink thing welcome here in November!
johnw
I'm willing to visit John. ;D

And I a "colourful mess" according to Maggi.


johnw
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on October 29, 2008, 11:07:55 PM
John, if you only knew me.... it is I who is a colourful mess in everyday life!!

Every week I am delighted to see what Luit will "bring" us from Lisse.... I can only think it must be a tonic to the eyes and soul to see the spectacle each week.... the local doctors should prescribe visits!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 04, 2008, 10:39:30 PM
With the Nerine of last week still glorious in flower in the Hall this week
there were a few new plants of interest at the show:

Salvia Christine Yeo
Crocus sativus 1             
Crocus sativus 2             
Crocus sativus 3               
Salvia speciosa Mystic Spires Blue       
Scilla madeirensis 1                 
Scilla madeirensis 2           
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 18, 2008, 01:11:40 PM
This week we saw the first entries of Hyacinths in very good quality.
The bulbs were dug on 15 June of this year and treated for early flowering 5 months later.
Here the results:

Hyacinthus Baltic Sea 1           
Hyacinthus Baltic Sea 2     
Hyacinthus Early Bird 1     
Hyacinthus Early Bird 2
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on November 18, 2008, 06:43:06 PM
Luit,
wonderful hyacinths - there must have been a very infatuating scent in the air :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on November 18, 2008, 07:31:28 PM
Such photos! Lovely.... and I can smell the fragrance from here!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 03, 2008, 07:11:10 AM
A few entries of this week:

Hippeastrum Carmen                         
Hyacinthus Nr. 94.073.022.05           
Scilla lingulata
Leucocoryne Andes         
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on December 03, 2008, 07:24:23 AM
You never disappoint us, Luit!  ;)   That little scilla is adorable.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on December 03, 2008, 09:39:29 AM
Nice Luit, I have some Leucocoryne sprouting nicely from seed.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on December 03, 2008, 09:41:52 AM
Hi Luit - even if Winter still has to start officially your pix already give us a Spring feeling !  Thanks !  ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 09, 2008, 10:26:51 PM
This Monday we could see the first Tulip. A white seedling of T. Yokohama x T. Brigitta. Brigitta is already known as a good variety for early forcing.
Interesting was to see a pot with some Narcissus Martinette. While the exhibitor walked
on a field he saw very unexpectedly some yellow flowers. The bulbs were somehow left after harvesting.
This Narcissus of theTazetta group is known to flower sometimes already in December in gardens.
Then there were some beautiful pots of Oxalis versicolor.
And again some Hyacinths of very good quality.
Hyacinthus White Pearl
Then Hyacinthus Anna Marie and at last Hyacinthus Atlantic, which is a offspring of Anna Marie.


Tulipa White Seedling         
Narcissus Martinette         
Narcissus Martinette cl.
Oxalis versicolor       
Hyacinthus White Pearl
Hyacinthus Anna Marie           
Hyacinthus Atlantic
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on December 10, 2008, 12:32:52 AM
Luit, as ever I love to see all these exhibits but what a surprise to see this tulip! Fine shape, clean white.... and in December! A delight !
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on December 10, 2008, 09:46:15 AM
I second your motion Maggi !!
Beautiful Tulip !!  8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 16, 2008, 09:20:40 PM
This week we had a few entries.
Interesting was to see a nice pan with Iris reticulata, namely
I. ret. Harmony which is still one of the strongest, and two Sports of it:
Iris ret. Alida and I. ret. Pixie
In the pan they are from left to right:

Iris reticulata Pixie
Iris reticulata Alida
Iris reticulata Harmony             
Narcissus Taffeta                                             
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on December 17, 2008, 04:56:57 AM
Hi Luit,
I'd never heard of "Alida" until it appeared in a couple of catalogues this year and here you are with a pic of it! Thanks, again.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on December 17, 2008, 10:22:22 AM
You haven't been paying attention Fermi, here's mine from late February this year. ;D Well the label says it is!

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on December 18, 2008, 05:49:19 AM
You haven't been paying attention Fermi, here's mine from late February this year. ;D Well the label says it is!
It looks lovely, David,
I look forward to growing it at Redesdale.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 22, 2008, 10:02:43 PM
Today was the last weekly show.
As usual is the last show of the year always a special show:
The Special Christmas Show.We saw a nice lot of entries, like some groups of Hyacinths in a superb quality.
One group was shown in wooden boxes which were used for forcing in earlier times.
Then there were some vases with Alstroemeria. Here A. Nadya was outstanding with
an intensive red colour.
A very nice group of Iris reticulata and some very good tulips etc.

I wish a Merry Christmas to everyone on the forum and their relatives
and a very healthy and hopefully productive New Year.


Hyacinthus groep 1                 
Hyacinthus groep 2 
Helleborus groep
Colchicum kesselringii               
Colchicum serpentinum             
Iris reticulata groep 1                   
Iris reticulata groep 2                     
Hyacinthus groep b                     
               

Alstroemeria Nadya                 
Alstroemeria Salmon Queen
Tulipa Christmas Gift                   
Tulipa red sdl.
Tulipa Dutch Design               
Tulipa Lapin Ruska             
Tulipa Ferrari
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 22, 2008, 10:05:50 PM
batch 2
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on December 22, 2008, 10:14:32 PM
We have been lucky enough to have a warm, bright day here, Luit, but nothing to compare with this wealth of colour from Lisse......how much I enjoy these visits :D   

What a deep red the Alstroemeria 'Nadya'  has ... I will send this photo to my friend... Alstroemeria are her favourite flowers, but I am sure she has not seen one so richly red , like velvet.


What a shame I had not time to order Ian some(Tulipa)  'Ferrari' for Christmas  ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on December 22, 2008, 10:40:59 PM
Thanks for the colour Luit, brightened up what has been a grey day here.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 22, 2008, 10:51:51 PM
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What a shame I had not time to order Ian some(Tulipa)  'Ferrari' for Christmas   

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on December 23, 2008, 08:36:57 AM
Great show once again Luit ! Thanks for taking us on this visit every week.  :)
Makes a difference from having to look at Christmas decorations all the time  ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 23, 2008, 03:17:56 PM
Great show once again Luit ! Thanks for taking us on this visit every week.  :)
Makes a difference from having to look at Christmas decorations all the time  ;D

Are you the decorations manager Luc? Or just the supervisor? ;D ;D 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on December 23, 2008, 03:33:45 PM

Are you the decorations manager Luc? Or just the supervisor? ;D ;D 8)

Just the victim with sore eyes Luit and besides.... supervising is my specialty... ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: art600 on December 23, 2008, 03:40:30 PM
Luit

As an admirer of reticulate irises, could you please post Iris reticulata groep 2.  By mistake you posted
Hyacinthus groep 2 twice.

Thanks

Arthur
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: mark smyth on December 23, 2008, 04:52:49 PM
I like the top dressing of sand. Would it work for bulbs in pots?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 23, 2008, 08:09:35 PM
Luit

As an admirer of reticulate irises, could you please post Iris reticulata groep 2.  By mistake you posted
Hyacinthus groep 2 twice.

Thanks

Arthur
Oops, it was a bit late already when posting. Here it is.
In front you see Iris ret. Harmony, then Alida, Pauline, Pixie and the last one is Gordon.
On picture one you see the same (then the names backward!)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 23, 2008, 08:12:14 PM
I like the top dressing of sand. Would it work for bulbs in pots?
It's  just for the show. Don't see why you cannot use it for pots, but consider that
sand is heavier than potting soil, so after a while you don't see it anymore.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on December 23, 2008, 10:08:55 PM
Thank you, Luit,
a wonderful display!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: art600 on December 23, 2008, 11:19:05 PM
Luit

Thanks for adding the second photo of the reticulate iris.

I look forward in anticipation to the treasures I know you will show us in the New Year.

Many thanks for all your hard work this year.

Arthur
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 24, 2008, 07:12:23 AM
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I look forward in anticipation to the treasures I know you will show us in the New Year.


Does this mean I should go on for another year Arthur?  :-\
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on December 24, 2008, 07:31:05 AM
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I look forward in anticipation to the treasures I know you will show us in the New Year.


Does this mean I should go on for another year Arthur?  :-\

Only ONE, Luit?   (We will demand more)   Many thanks for this superb thread.   :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on December 24, 2008, 10:57:47 AM
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I look forward in anticipation to the treasures I know you will show us in the New Year.


Does this mean I should go on for another year Arthur?  :-\

YES PLEASEEE ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on December 24, 2008, 11:44:00 AM
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Does this mean I should go on for another year Arthur?

Most definitely please Luit, it has been education and enjoyment. :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on December 24, 2008, 11:45:09 AM
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I look forward in anticipation to the treasures I know you will show us in the New Year.


Does this mean I should go on for another year Arthur?  :-\

Dear Luit, was there any doubt that we would love you to continue? :o  
Surely not on our part........ we are all agreed.... PLEASE!  :-*
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: johnw on December 24, 2008, 01:40:44 PM
Luit - To re-iterate what Maggi has said, even though we may be silent I'm sure everyone is enthralled by the regular Lisse photos.  Keep up the good work.

johnw
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 24, 2008, 04:38:32 PM
Good Heavens, never expected so many reactions.
And who am I, to refuse showing more pictures in this wonderful Forum
with so many nice people.
Fact is that I lately didn’t have so much time to make many contributions to
the Forum.
I was (and will be) very busy by cutting and making wood chops for our stove.
The good thing is that it keeps me warm by day when working and in the evenings
it is so nice to sit warm and look in the fire with a good glass and most important
we save a lot of money with these horror prices for gas.
The bad thing is that I am rather tired after some hours of occupation which gives some problems when thinking and writing in a strange language.

But as being a Committee Member I will be on most Mondays in Lisse and will take my
camera with me and continue my series.

Merry Christmas to all of you!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 24, 2008, 04:44:43 PM
I forgot the picture.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on January 09, 2009, 12:15:06 PM
Luit thanks for last years pics it is a great treat and we are very fortunate to have You to show us these.
So hopefully there will be many more Years of reports from the show
Already starting to have abstinence for more.
Was it cut hyacinths in the glass vases? Never seen it with foliage before. Not so common as a cut flower in Sweden but very common in "Christmas group plantings" if You get what I am trying to say. Really part of the Christmas tradition in Sweden. Not so much in Portugal yet but seems to be more and more of them. Generally they are far from the perfectly grown specimens You show but in real life I can smell them and that is even better :)
All the best
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 11, 2009, 09:54:28 PM
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Was it cut hyacinths in the glass vases? Never seen it with foliage before.

Joakim, Hyacinths as cutflowers are becoming a rather big product in the flower trade.
Last year in the first January week more than 600.000 flowers went through the Flower Auction.
And in week 6, last year more than 1.5  million!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on January 12, 2009, 10:45:28 AM
Luit Thanks for the information. I bet it was a nice scent at the time there ::) :o 8). I think I have seen some of those at the florist but did not remember that they had foliage. A great cut flower that is easy to take care of and no guilt of throwing a bulb when it is past its flowering. And grown very well as well.
Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 13, 2009, 09:24:18 PM
A few days after the Mid Winter Flower Show, there were not so many entries.
Here a few pictures though.

Narcissus Winter Sun
Crocus danfordiae Yellow Form                                     
Tulipa Flair Fringed                           
Tulipa TBL 98012
Galanthus elwesii Mrs. MacNamara       
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 20, 2009, 08:57:24 PM
Yesterday I noticed the following entries on the Show.
There were many tulips, Hyacinths, etc. too, but there will be many
opportunities to show them here in the coming weeks.

The first picture shows 10 different Galanthus elwesii in a small vase.
For me they are all white. ??? ;)
Then there was a nice entry with several clones of small flowered hardy
Hippeastrum hybrids.
The grower has  left them already 5 years outside in the garden.
This spring will show how hardy they are after some weeks of frost.

Galanthus elwesii               
Hippeastrum Small Fl. Hardy Hybr.
Galanthus elwesii Monostictus var. hiemale             
Galanthus elwesii x caucasicus                       
Ipheion Alberto Castillo                         
Iris reticulata Rhapsody                 
Narcissus Elka                                       
Narcissus romieuxii Treble Chance
Ipheion uniflorum Charlotte Bishop           
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on January 20, 2009, 10:10:58 PM
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The first picture shows 10 different Galanthus elwesii in a small vase.
For me they are all white. 

Dear Luit, for sure you are not a galanthus connoisseur....... even I can see the differences..... some are fat and some are thin!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 20, 2009, 10:55:39 PM
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on January 21, 2009, 02:46:52 PM
Hardy Amaryllis sounds interesting :)
Hope they can be used for Christmas decoration as well as the old ones (being forced I think it s called). Then just plant them out. What a sight after some time.
Is the iphelon named after "Our" Alberto?
Nice warmth with the pictures to brighten the day.
Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on January 22, 2009, 05:57:31 PM
Luit,
thank you for the pictures -you bring us the spring in mid-winter ;)

I agree - not much difference to see "in the 10 different Galanthus elwesii in a small vase" ;D
(likely my PC needs a much better graphic card  ;) ;D ;D)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 27, 2009, 12:30:19 PM
Yesterday I noticed some interesting developments in Hyacinthus.
There was an acceptable double pink, with well formed flowers.
And the orange colour is also coming nearer with  H. Florence.

Then I made two pictures of Ipheion with different names.
On first sight there is no difference but in an article in
The Plantsman of 1995 by Brian Mathew describes both forms.:
The New Plantsman, vol. 2, part 1, 10 -11.

I hope I can next week make pictures of the opened flowers.

Hyacinthus Double Delights               
Hyacinthus Florence                   
Hyacinthus Purple Sensation             
Ipheion dialystemon             
Ipheion sellowianum     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on January 27, 2009, 07:34:04 PM
The two ipheions are very similar aren't they? How do you tell them apart? ???
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on January 27, 2009, 07:48:11 PM
They may well look the same BUT according to the Kew Check List they are different, to the extent that their names are different as well! ;D

The first one is Nothosccordum dialystemon and the second one is Tristagma sellowianum. They look very pretty Luit whatever their names are 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 27, 2009, 10:27:24 PM
The two ipheions are very similar aren't they? How do you tell them apart? ???
If there is a diiference I hope I can show it next week.
Dialystemon means 'with separate stamens'
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on January 28, 2009, 12:14:42 PM
Very nice Hyacinthus Double Delights, Hyacinthus Florence and Hyacinthus Purple Sensation I will be on the look out if I see them :)  8)

Thanks for these weekly reports Luit. It is great to have these information.
Maybe a bit off topic but I bought hyacinthus bulbs where the package says that they are harmful to the skin. Just one brand had it and I have not seen it before. Have anyone heard of this before. Are the bulbs treated to last longer on the shelves or is that a natural harmfulness?
Second
I have always believed that the colour of the bulb for hyacinthus has something to do with the coulor of the flower but once I bought 4-5 different coloured bulbs that was supposed to be of several colours but all were pale peach. They were planted with Rhododendron so maybe the acid soil had something to do with it?

All the best
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 29, 2009, 09:54:05 AM
Joakim, In the Bulb Industries it is very well known that dust of dried Hyacinthus bulbs can be cause of itching. When scratching your skin it gets worse.
Many people don’t want to work with dry bulbs of Hyacinthus because of this.
When picking Narcissus flowers for trade all day you might get Narcissus fingers, which is very painful. This is caused by the slimy stems.
And cleaning Tulip bulbs may also be harmful when you are susceptible.

You see, working in the Bulb Industry is not such a pleasant job like the pictures of the flowering fields might suggest… ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on January 29, 2009, 11:03:48 AM
Luit thanks for this information :)
I did not know this and will be more carefull handling bulbs in the future.
Joakim, In the Bulb Industries it is very well known that dust of dried Hyacinthus bulbs can be cause of itching. When scratching your skin it gets worse.
Many people don’t want to work with dry bulbs of Hyacinthus because of this.
When picking Narcissus flowers for trade all day you might get Narcissus fingers, which is very painful. This is caused by the slimy stems.
And cleaning Tulip bulbs may also be harmful when you are susceptible.

You see, working in the Bulb Industry is not such a pleasant job like the pictures of the flowering fields might suggest… ;D ;D

Luit it is just a small snake in the Paradise (The itching from bulbs)
And like in Paradise one should not work just enjoy. ::) That make it much nicer!
Through You we have the option of just enjoying (the bulb industry) without working 8) ;D

All the best
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 03, 2009, 03:50:03 PM


Probably I will show sometimes pictures of bulbs, which I did show
last year already, but controlling everything would cause lots of work.

This week I start with a nice little buttercup.
Then some Iris.

Ranunculus kochii         
         
Iris reticulata Halkis         
Iris reticulata Palm Springs       
Iris histrio

And I noticed amongst many others the following tulips:
The first is a good compact looking Tulipa for pots

Tulipa Baby Blue 

Then there was a very dark one, which was difficult to show the real colour.
The aim of many breeders is to get a tulip of a nearly black colour, or
let's say as dark as possible.

Tulipa Ronaldo 1             
Tulipa Ronaldo 2 

And two special colours with a good performance for the time of year:

Tulipa Alexander Pushkin       
Tulipa Sugar Love 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on February 04, 2009, 06:39:21 AM
Luit,

Relating 'black' tulips', I would also like to add that breeders also try to get realtively large flowered dark tulips, as all the 'black tulips' are quite very small-flowered.

Though knowing well the assortment of tulips, I want to mention that among non-commercial tulips there are 2 large-flowered and tall very dark purple and pirplish-brown cultivars, which are 'Faust' (Darwin Group) and 'Toean' (Cottage Croup). 'Toean' is darkest purplish-brown, sport of famous 'Golden Harvest', which has quite good sizes.

'Ronaldo' is not a bad tulip, being slightly lighter than the famous 'Queen of Night' and the other relatively newer introduction 'Paul Sherer'. It doesn't surpasses by its decorative features these two mentioned cultivars, but I suppose is cultivated for good industrial qualities (mainly forcing qualities).

'Aleksandr Pushkin' is an interesting one, well known and easily avalable in Russia.

On the whole, I would say that new assortment of classic-shaped tulips is mainly evaluated for their forcing qualities; but as to decorativeness they are far worse than the existing older cultivars.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 09, 2009, 07:04:38 PM
Two weeks ago I showed  two pictures of Ipheion, where I was
wondering if there was any difference.
Today the plants were shown again and the flowers were opened to
see if there was any difference.
Since last time’s entries the Committee now was able to read the article
of Brian Mathew in the Plantsman, from where was quoted the following:

Ipheion dialystemon is very similar, in fact from a purely ornamental point of view
there is no real reason for cultivating both.
They differ mainly in that the stamens are joined together at the base in
Ipheion sellowiana but are free from each other in Ipheion dialystemon. Edit L.
The latter name is a compound Greek-derived epithet meaning
‘with separate stamens’.
                                                                                               

(very similar is meant to “I. sellowianum”)

The Committee decided that both plants were Ipheion dialystemon,
because in both flowers the stamens were totally separated.

Here you can see it yourself

Ipheion dialystemon 01             
Ipheion dialystemon 02           
Ipheion sellowianum 01  (= Ipheion dialystemon)
Ipheion sellowianum 02  (= Ipheion dialystemon)

Edit L.:
 I corrected the names of the pictures because I managed to take over just
a little mistake in the Mathew article. The real name is Ipheion sellowianum
So the pictures might not be in the right follwing up
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 09, 2009, 07:06:57 PM
And then are here some other interesting entries from today:

Fritillaria Ole Sonderhausen     
Fritillaria reuteri             
Tulipa Golden Tycoon           
Tulipa humilis Lilliput       
Tulipa Purple Crystal             
Tulipa Spryng       
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on February 09, 2009, 09:02:10 PM
More Spring Gems, Luit! The Frits are especially interesting to me, of course ......but the tulips speak of a change in season.... I hope they speak the truth  ::)  These red 'Spryng' are  perfect.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on February 09, 2009, 09:26:11 PM
Thank you for the information on the Ipheions, Luit.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 10, 2009, 11:06:31 AM
More Spring Gems, Luit! The Frits are especially interesting to me, of course ......but the tulips speak of a change in season.... I hope they speak the truth  ::)  These red 'Spryng' are  perfect.

Spring is far still away Maggi, though not complaining about the weather.
No snow or ice here at the moment.
After much raining during the night temps raised to 7 C. and fell to 2 C. just now.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 17, 2009, 06:59:25 PM
I noted this week a plant which I have shown already
last year. Only this time the flower is much nicer.
The grower told me that he kept it a bit warmer than
last year so the flower was much more developed.
It was not so high as last year so I made some shots of
the inside, for which I used flash for the last picture.
   
Amorphophallus rivieri 1           
Amorphophallus rivieri 2               
Amorphophallus rivieri 3               

Then a few Hyacinths and one of them astonishing yellow.
And some Narcissus:
Hyacinthus Yellowstone
Hyacinthus Blue Eyes
Narcissus Eaton Song 
Narcissus Douglasbank 

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 17, 2009, 07:00:49 PM
In this second batch I show two vases with Galanthus.
One vase with only named cultivars in the more expensive range.
And one vase with just unnamed Galanthus in the cheaper range.
You will understand that for me, as "Non Galanthophile" the
cheaper ones are looking as good as the more expensive ones
in the garden.

Galanthus more expensive named Cultivars   
Galanthus cheap  unnamed Cultivars               

And there was a Dutch raised Galanthus which until now I did
not spot before (But I have not seen so many!)
I would like to know what specialists mean about it, so I will place
the pictures in Galanthus February Thread too.

Galanthus Green Brush 1                 
Galanthus Green Brush 2               
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 17, 2009, 07:02:42 PM
In the last batch some varied other bulbous flowers:

Colchicum trigynum               
Corydalis incisa       Edit L.: = Corydalis solida ssp. incisa             
Fritillaria minuta               
Scilla litardieri 
Lachenalia aloides var. quadricolor   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on February 17, 2009, 07:17:40 PM
Lovely stuff as usual Luit, you will have set the Galanthophiles hearts fluttering. I love Narcissus 'Douglasbank'. That pot of Lachenalia aloides var. quadricolor is a little larger than mine 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ChrisB on February 17, 2009, 08:05:45 PM
Lovely plants Luit, I'm with you on the snowdrop front - all green and white and the perfectly 'ordinary' ones are good enough for me.  They are looking very jolly in the garden just now.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Onion on February 17, 2009, 08:27:54 PM
Every Tuesday is a highlight.
Great pictures. Thank you for the work. Learn every week a lot about "new" bulbs.
The Lachenalia is a dream of colour in the cloudy days, we have hear.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 18, 2009, 08:38:29 AM
Great stuff once again Luit !
Scilla litardieri is the one that caught my eye ! Very nice soft blue  :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on February 18, 2009, 09:19:48 AM
Superb images as usual, Luit ... Colchicum trigynum is particularly tasty.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on February 18, 2009, 11:40:19 AM
Quote
And there was a Dutch raised Galanthus which until now I did
not spot before (But I have not seen so many!)
I would like to know what specialists mean about it, so I will place
the pictures in Galanthus February Thread too.

Galanthus Green Brush 1                 
Galanthus Green Brush 2   

Luit, even I can see this is a truly different snowdrop ..... I think it is very smart indeed.

The yellow hyacinth is rather pretty ..... I don't think I have seen these offered here .....but they would be a cheery addition to indoor flowers at this time.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 19, 2009, 10:10:56 AM
Thank you all for your support. :D :D

Every Tuesday is a highlight.
Great pictures. Thank you for the work. Learn every week a lot about "new" bulbs.
The Lachenalia is a dream of colour in the cloudy days, we have hear.
Uli, I'm happy to see that "Staudenfreunde" like my topic too.
Amazing that you as tree specialist are leading a Bulb Group!  8) ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Rogan on February 19, 2009, 10:22:06 AM
"..... I think it is very smart indeed."

Here we desperately seek out unusual flowers and then try our darnest to turn them green so that they look like leaves!  ::)

Heh, heh! I must admit to growing the occasional green flower myself and then parading it around insisting that it is extremely beautiful and unusual!  ;)

Thanks for the weekly flower show Luit, it is extremely interesting.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Onion on February 19, 2009, 08:41:19 PM
Luit,

I lift up my hand 5 years ago and so I'm leading that group. So I need lot of information about bulbs.
And where can you find this? In the SRGC, in the logs from Ian and Wisely, in the weekly Lissie flowershow and so on ...
And I hope to learn a lot of new things about my love the bulbs.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 23, 2009, 09:54:18 PM
This week I made the following pictures.
The Ornithogalum could become an interesting plant for
forcing in pots. Here is shown one bulb per pot.
They can be forced very quick and don't need much warmth.
The one here were kept a bit too warm, otherwise they are
very short, like O. balansae in the garden.
I made one close up because I wanted to show the "fimbriatum"
on the leaves, but I would have needed a better lens.
I hope you can see what I mean though.

Ornithogalum fimbriatum 1             
Ornithogalum fimbriatum 2

Narcissus Mite                     
Narcissus Small Talk             

Of the first new tulip there were several pots.
I liked this special colour.
           
Tulipa 92.220.118.02 1               
Tulipa 92.220.118.02 2                 

Tulipa Ayers Rock 1               
Tulipa Ayers Rock 2               
Tulipa Quest 
Tulipa Enkhuizen             
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 28, 2009, 03:57:28 AM
Hi Luit,
I'd not heard of a fringed tulip called "Ayer's Rock" before! I wonder if they'll be required to change the name to "Uluru" in keeping with the tradition in Australia to revert to indigenous names?  ;D
As always a great selection of blooms for us to enjoy.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 03, 2009, 07:12:08 PM
Here is my selection of this week:

Narcissus Gold Medal   
Cyclamen persicum Rhodes Form 1         
Cyclamen persicum Rhodes Form 2   
Corydalis schanginii ssp. ainii             
Tulipa White Flag         
Scilla mischtschenkoana
Heloniopsis orientalis             
Tulipa Jimmy                 
Tulipa X Factor 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 10, 2009, 07:19:33 PM
Yesterday I selected the following pictures.
First two of a Alan McMurtrie reticulata hybrid.
It was not possible to do justice to the right colour, but I tried.

A small Tazetta Narcissus
and some interesting Tulipa of which the Lily flowered Fire Wings
with its colours might give good feelings on a grey sunless day.

Iris 87-BB-1 a         
Iris 87-BB-1 b               
Iris winogradowii               
Narcissus Idol 1               
Narcissus Idol 2               
Tulipa Colorado             
Tulipa Fire Wings
Tulipa Ice Lolly             
Tulipa Tom Pouce         
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Martin Baxendale on March 10, 2009, 07:31:13 PM
The colourings on those tulips really are quite luscious, Luit.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 10, 2009, 10:17:35 PM
The colourings on those tulips really are quite luscious, Luit.
And some colours are a bit sweet Martin. No wonder, with the name Tom Pouce the breeder
was probably inspired by a sweet Dutch patisserie, inside cream colour and topped with pink  ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Martin Baxendale on March 10, 2009, 11:11:43 PM
The colourings on those tulips really are quite luscious, Luit.
And some colours are a bit sweet Martin. No wonder, with the name Tom Pouce the breeder
was probably inspired by a sweet Dutch patisserie, inside cream colour and topped with pink  ;D

I do find flower colourings that look edible very enticing! 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 11, 2009, 04:51:43 AM
Luit,
some delicious pics there of these delicious flowers!
Alan McMurtrie's retic hybrids are amazing and I'm sorry they aren't so accessible to those of us in this hemisphere!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on March 11, 2009, 09:50:11 AM
Alan McMurtrie's Irises- drool drool!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on March 11, 2009, 11:21:07 AM
Very nice selection Luit
As always this brings nice colour to a nice day :)  8)
All the best
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 12, 2009, 09:01:29 PM

'Aleksandr Pushkin' is an interesting one, well known and easily avalable in Russia.

Well it would be, wouldn't it? :)

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 17, 2009, 09:17:02 PM
This week I can show some interesting entries.
Some Iris were send in
The Committee was able to see some slight differences between
some Iris.
One may question if it is useful to name plants which are hardly
to distinguish from each other.
I show three pictures and they are all named from left to right.

Iris Angel's Tears Iris Michael's Angel [from left]                                                       
Iris Lady Beatrix Stanley Iris Angel's Tears Iris Michael's Angel  [from left]                           
Iris Michael's Angel Iris Angel's Tears Iris Lady Beatrix Stanley [from left]

Then we saw a nice pot where a breeder showed some colours and forms
of Hyacinths he is using for his breeding programme.

Hyacinthus breeding mix

Another breeder showed some pots with double flowered plants.
Many years Hyacinths were bred to achieve nice full flower stalks,
but when the flowers are double there is almost no space for each flower.
Here are some where is space enough for each flower.
I reckon the developments will go on to achieve good formed flower stalks.

Hyacinthus double 1                                                           
Hyacinthus double 2
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 17, 2009, 09:20:10 PM
In the second batch I show a variety of other entries:

Hippeastrum group  (Small flowered cultivars)
Narcissus lobularis                                                       
Pleione Iris                                                                 
Tropaeolum tricolor                                                         
Tulipa Close Up                                                             
Tulipa cretensis
Corydalis solida Apple Snow                                                                 
Corydalis solida Beth Evans                                                                 
Corydalis solida Dieter Schacht     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on March 17, 2009, 09:29:33 PM
Yes, I see what you mean about those Iris... they are VERY similar indeed.

I do not care for the double hyacinths but I DO like their colours.

The small flowered Hippeastrum cultivars are wonderful .... they would make good cut flowers too.... are they used for this purpose? We only very occasionally see the large Hippeastrum in the Florists' shops in Aberdeen.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 17, 2009, 10:42:11 PM
Quote
The small flowered Hippeastrum cultivars are wonderful .... they would make good cut flowers too.... are they used for this purpose? We only very occasionally see the large Hippeastrum in the Florists' shops in Aberdeen.

Maggi, many of these types are not as good for cut flowers as the large ones.
As you can see in the vase left of the picture all the flowers open at once.
And so do many of this type.
They are lovely indeed but somehow the trade does not pick them up.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on March 17, 2009, 10:55:14 PM
Quote
As you can see in the vase left of the picture all the flowers open at once.
Yes, I see that may be cosidered a disadvantage for a long lasting flower.... but for some occasions it is good to have something which gives maximum flower power at one time.... wedding flowers, for instance., when it is important to have a great display all on ONE day  ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 18, 2009, 10:26:02 PM
Nor do I like the modern, formal hyacinths but one of my Australian friends grows a number in the open garden and doesn't lift them. The following year their lovely colours and scent remain, but the flowers are displayed looser and a little smaller, making very pretty, informal clumps. Like this, they are well worth growing and I plan to try some this year (well, next).
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Jim McKenney on March 18, 2009, 10:48:59 PM
Nor do I like the modern, formal hyacinths but one of my Australian friends grows a number in the open garden and doesn't lift them. The following year their lovely colours and scent remain, but the flowers are displayed looser and a little smaller, making very pretty, informal clumps. Like this, they are well worth growing and I plan to try some this year (well, next).

Leslie, when you go hyacinth buying, look for the modern Festival hyacinths. The ones I know are marketed as Festival White, Festival Blue and Festival Pink. They only form loose, informal spikes and several of them - no need to wait a year or two for the big guys to slow down. And this habit is genetic - these are not the same as the hyacinths marketed in the past as Cynthella hyacinths (which were simply small bulbs of standard varieties).

I've been collecting garden hyacinths in a small way for several years now: there have always been some in the garden, but lately I find myself very fond of them. The colors of modern hyacinths are sometimes marvelous, and the fragrance is reason enough to have them. They do well under our conditions and persist indefinitely.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 18, 2009, 11:17:41 PM
Thanks Jim, I'll keep an eye out for those.

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 19, 2009, 07:38:15 AM
Lesley,
Jim means multi-flowering hyacinths like the French Roman Hyacinthus which were available in “our old” days.
I think you will remember those. These new hybrids resemble the old-fashioned type.
These bulbs of  'Festival' hyacinths are very reliable and give 10 to 20  stems.
I'll make a picture when I see them.

Just the names Jim mentioned, are the other way around: White Festival, etc.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 24, 2009, 03:38:04 PM
This week I start with a picture of an Arum wich smells reasonable.

Arum creticum 

Some close-ups of Hippeastrum out of the Hippeastrum Group I showed last week.                                   
             
Hippeastrum Rebecca                                 
Hippeastrum Santa Rosa                     
Hippeastrum Santiago                       

Hyacinthus Yellow Creation

There was some discussion about multiflowering Hyacinths.
Yesterday there was an entry with several seedlings

Hyacinthus Fairy Type Seedlings                 

Scilla hohenackeri                                 

The next plant was probably shown for the first time ever in Holland:

Tropaeolum azureum 1                       
Tropaeolum azureum 2                 

And a nice pot with Corydalis (amateur entry..  ;) )

Corydalis solida ssp. solida George Baker   

 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on March 24, 2009, 03:50:33 PM
Lovely images (as always), Luit!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Jim McKenney on March 24, 2009, 04:42:20 PM
Lesley,
Jim means multi-flowering hyacinths like the French Roman Hyacinthus which were available in “our old” days.
I think you will remember those. These new hybrids resemble the old-fashioned type.
These bulbs of  'Festival' hyacinths are very reliable and give 10 to 20  stems.
I'll make a picture when I see them.

Just the names Jim mentioned, are the other way around: White Festival, etc.


Luit, thanks for the remarks about the names of the Festival hyacinths. The dealer from whom I obtained my bulbs lists them as I did, Festival Blue, Festival White and Festival Pink. However, I checked two other American bulb catalogs, and they give the names as you do.

Your comments answer a question I had when I first saw these names: Festival Blue sounds as if it might be a name for any blue flowered Festival hyacinth, and I wondered if bulbs supplied under this name might in fact have other registered names but were too scarce to be marketed individually. Thanks to your remarks I now know that 'Blue Festival' is the name of a particular clone.

Now on to what I meant: I did mean the "cynthella" hyacinths. For those of you who do not know the term, these were simply very small bulbs of standard hyacinths; they produced smaller, less dense spikes of bloom. If you have ever seen run down hyacinths in old gardens, you have an idea of what they were like.  The cynthella hyacinths were not multiflowering.

What the Festival hyacinths and the old French Roman hyacinths have in common is that they are multiflowering (i.e. multiple scapes arise from one bulb). However, to my eyes, the Festival hyacinths resemble the cynthella hyacinths more than they do the old French Roman hyacinths. The old French Roman and Roman hyacinths had flowers widely spaced on the stalk; and the flowers were slender and with narrow tepals. The modern Festival hyacinths have comparatively full spikes of bloom.

So, to those who place primary importance on the multiflowering characteristic, the Festival hyacinths resemble the old French Roman hyacinths. But to those of us who primarily see the overall inflorescence, the Festival hyacinths suggest the cynthella hyacinths.

In my garden I have had for over forty years a blue flowered hyacinth (received as "Hyacinthus rommanus" [sic]) which is apparently one of the old French Roman or Roman hyacinths. It is intensely fragrant. The blue flowers are widely spaced on the stalk. This plant begins to sprout very early in the year, and in a bad winter the foliage is damaged. If you think modern garden hyacinths are beautiful, you will think this one is pathetic. But it is worth having for its fragrance.

My stock is badly run down and has not bloomed for several years. This year I moved it to the protected cold frame where is seems to be bulking up nicely. Perhaps next year I will be able to post a photo. I did place an image of this plant on the Pacific Bulb Society wiki years ago and it can be seen here:

http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Hyacinthus

Can anyone tell me if the cultivar 'Borah' is still in commerce?

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 24, 2009, 09:01:20 PM
The 'Fairy Type' hyacinths are very nice indeed, much more so - to my eye - than the "clumpy" and solid types.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ashley on March 24, 2009, 09:55:12 PM
Does anyone know whether the (French) Roman hyacinths Jim refers to are still available commercially (or otherwise)? 
Through carelessness I lost mine years ago and would love to replace them.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: SueG on March 25, 2009, 01:33:43 PM
Does anyone know whether the (French) Roman hyacinths Jim refers to are still available commercially (or otherwise)? 
Through carelessness I lost mine years ago and would love to replace them.
In the past Broadleigh Bulbs has had them http://www.broadleighbulbs.co.uk/ (http://www.broadleighbulbs.co.uk/) but don't seem to now. - I have some in the garden, let me know if you'd like a bulb.
Sue
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ashley on March 25, 2009, 05:25:10 PM
That's very kind Sue; thank you. 
I'll check first whether BB expect to stock them for the coming season, then if not I'll PM you to take up the generous offer. 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 31, 2009, 07:02:12 AM
Yesterday was a special Hippeastrum judging day.
Some overall pictures I show here.
           
Hippeastrum 1               
Hippeastrum 2               

Then there was a nice blue x pruhoniciana? Primula. I would like to know from where
it originates?

Primula Hall Barn Blue           

and here follow some other entries:

Narcissus Baby Boomer           
Narcissus bulbocodium Tenuifolius             
Corydalis solida First Kiss               
Pulmonaria Lewis Palmer                 
Narcissus Akita
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on March 31, 2009, 07:30:01 AM
Beautiful, as always, Luit.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on March 31, 2009, 10:26:47 AM
Luit, there is a Hall Barn and gardens in Norwich, Norfolk. Brian Ellis or Tony Goode may be able to tell us more.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on March 31, 2009, 01:14:09 PM
Luit,

What a show and display!
Hippestrums are just fantastic!!! I grow around 15 cultivars and they always give me a great joy.
I plant them in big pots and they bloom twise in a year with abundance.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on April 01, 2009, 01:02:08 PM
There were questions asked of Zhirair about his cutivation techniques and these, plus replies have been moved to a new page "Hippeastrum 2009"   here http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3324.msg84653#msg84653
 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 15, 2009, 06:55:18 PM
This week the Show was held on Tuesday because of Easter.
A totally unknown Muscari was shown to the Committee as a new Cultivar.

Muscari 1                             
Muscari 2

Anemone nemorosa Lychette                   
Bellevalia forniculata             
Pulmonaria Westward Blue                                     

In a Primula Thread was some discussion about Garryarde Primula's
Here is:

Primula Garryarde Crimson                       
           
Pulmonaria Westward Blue                       

And a special color of a Primula vulgaris:

Primula vulg. Don Keefe
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ashley on April 15, 2009, 07:02:04 PM
More nice things Luit; thanks for showing them. 
Can you tell us anything about the muscari?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on April 15, 2009, 07:13:08 PM
Apparently Primula 'Don Keefe' was bred at Cotswold Garden Flowers  http://www.cgf.net/index.php  and is covered by European PVR (propagation for re-sale is prohibited without a license.

Some nice stuff on the benches Luit.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on April 15, 2009, 07:58:46 PM
Luit,

muscari is just awsome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 16, 2009, 09:31:35 AM
About the Muscari I cannot tell much, only that it  caught every visitor's eye here.
The Committee asked the grower to plant bulbs in the KAVB Garden where it is possible to see if a
new plant is stable and how it is behaving and might be registered ( when it gets a name) later.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 16, 2009, 09:43:57 AM
David, I saw the plant here and my picture in a hall where the light is not
so good at all, shows much more how this Primula is looking, than Bob's pic.
The plant has a nice warm orange color.
Seeing Bob's picture, I would not even like it  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 17, 2009, 12:56:35 AM
Apparently Primula 'Don Keefe' was bred at Cotswold Garden Flowers  http://www.cgf.net/index.php  and is covered by European PVR (propagation for re-sale is prohibited without a license.

Why would one want to bother? Looks like your basic Cowichan to me, in the orange/red range. Nothing special.

The Muscari though, QUITE another thing. Really super.  :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 22, 2009, 06:09:56 AM
Monday was a special Narcissus day in the Show Hall.
There were many entries, but I just picked a few of the smaller Narcissi and two other entries.

Narcissus                     
Narcissus Cupid 1             
Narcissus Cupid 2a                     
Narcissus rupicola                 
Narcissus Smarple                   
Tulipa celsiana                     
Babiana rubrocyanea
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Alan_b on April 23, 2009, 11:09:04 AM
I managed to make a flying visit to the Keukenhof Garden in Lisse yesterday, taking advantage of a particularly cheap return fare on Easyjet.  Is this is where the flower shows that are the subject of this thread are held?  {Edit:  Possibly not because this thread begins some months before the Keukenhof is open - in which case, Luit, could you mentiuon the venue and times of these shows for the benefit of anyone who happens to be in the area}  

Lisse is close to Schiphol Airport and during the time that the Keukenhof is open (late March to late May) there is an express bus service from the Airport which only takes about 30 minutes.  Unfortunately Wednesday is the day between shows at the Keukenhof so I was only able to glimpse the next show being set up by peering through the doors of the pavilion.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 23, 2009, 08:35:48 PM
Alan, the weekly Show is always on Monday, except Easter Monday or Whitsun Monday.
If anyone wants to visit this Show, it could be helpful to PM me before and I can be of help.
The Show is in the CNB Bulb Trade Center, about 2 Km. from Keukenhof.

If you would have sent me a PM in advance about visiting Keukenhof, we could have met maybe, because I was there yesterday late afternoon too, but could easily have arranged another time to go there and show you the best places.  >:(
Did you make pictures? Could you send some into the Keukenhof Thread?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ezeiza on April 24, 2009, 05:39:39 PM
Hi:

    Concerning the difference between "I" sellowianum and dialystemon,

sellowianum always has 6 tepals
dialystemon always has 8 tepals, seedlings invariably having 8 tepals


It will take time but former Ipheions will have to be named Tristagmas in the future.

BUT, these plants are not Ipheions. Current (accepted for two decades or so now)
nomenclature is


Nothoscordum felipponei is the one known as "Ipheion" sellowianum
Nothoscordum dialystemon is the one known as "Ipheion" dialystemon-
both of this have very short "stems" and look sessile

Nothoscordum hirtellum is  the one known as "Ipheion" hirtellum
the flower opens more flat and with upwards curving tepals. Also yellow with brown striped backs. The "stem" is 10-15 cm tall. Can not be confused with the two previous ones on this alone.

The confusion of names came from a poor "Synopsis" that made a confusing merging of random species of the two genera based on the fact that some species have pedicels that strongly curved downwards to bury the ripening capsule.

regards
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 24, 2009, 09:47:05 PM
Thank you Alberto!

I made a copy of your posting and will send it to the taxonomist of KAVB, Mr. van Scheepen.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ezeiza on April 24, 2009, 10:04:25 PM
Thank YOU for your generosity in sharing so many inspiring images, it was like we were there!

Best regards
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 29, 2009, 09:57:29 PM
Since I made the pictures on Monday, I couldn't find time for the Forum.
I was happy that a Forumist was visiting, so I was a rather occupied these days.
Oops, I am not complaining... ;D  ;D  :D
The Forum had to wait, so I'm a bit late with my pictures of this week.

Amongst other entries this week was a special Muscari day at the Show.

Disporum sessile var. flavum               
Lachenalia contaminata               
Polygonatum Grace  Barker           

Muscari entries
Muscari Artist   
Muscari Chimcan                       
Muscari Cupido                             
Muscari Maxabel                             
Muscari Peppermint                         
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 29, 2009, 09:59:40 PM
And some pictures of a beautiful arrangement and subtle details, which I liked very much:

Muscari arr.
Muscari arr. det. 1                 
Muscari arr. det. 2
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Jim McKenney on April 29, 2009, 10:11:53 PM
Wow, Luit, really nice. And if those are lilacs and fragrant viburnum arranged with the Muscari, that must have been a potently fragrant corner of the exhibition hall!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 29, 2009, 11:28:41 PM
Some beautiful forms here Luit. What a difference from the old "Grape hyacinth."
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on April 30, 2009, 12:15:56 AM
Hi Luit,
were all these varieties bred locally?
They are quite attractive and show there's more to muscari than ribbon borders!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 30, 2009, 07:11:16 PM
Jim, you spotted the right plant and I am sure they will smell, but in this hall temps are kept
to 15 C. to keep the flowers fresh for some time.
When it is so cold you almost don't smell much.

Fermi, I don't know much about breeding or selecting, but in the last years many new varieties
did occur here.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Oron Peri on April 30, 2009, 07:37:55 PM
Luit

Fantastic :o

Some of these cultivars seems to be huge, aren't they?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 30, 2009, 09:52:53 PM
Some of these cultivars seems to be huge, aren't they?

Oron, let's say that many visitors were impressed. Several ones were really huge.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 05, 2009, 10:07:04 PM
Here some pictures from Monday May 4th.
Narcissus and Tulips are almost over now, but there were some nice entries.


Arisaema sikokianum                           
Hymenocallis harrisianum             
Iris Broadleigh Elisabeth           
Iris x Orion                               
Veronica prostrata Blue Sheen                 
Oxalis rubra Pink Dream                   
Phlox divaricata White Perfume           
Iris aphylla fieberi
Narcissus Lancaster     
Tulipa Tequila Sunrise Hemisphere     Edit L.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on May 05, 2009, 10:13:50 PM
Another good Monday, I see, Luit  :)
 The Hymenocallis is intriguing... like an alien creature /flower ..... fascinating with the sculptural form .... those super anthers 8)

I have tried a number of the "Broadleigh" Irises..... none of them grew here  :'( >:(
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 05, 2009, 10:28:05 PM
Another good Monday, I see, Luit  :)
 The Hymenocallis is intriguing... like an alien creature /flower ..... fascinating with the sculptural form .... those super anthers 8)

I have tried a number of the "Broadleigh" Irises..... none of them grew here  :'( >:(
Maggi this Iris was grown in a pot in a cold glasshouse. But I think they are not good garden plants,
because the flowers fade very fast and they have always brown leaf points.
I show another picture with a better flower but brown leaves.
And a close up of Hymenocallis harrisianum. But could not really catch the beauty there.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 05, 2009, 11:00:16 PM
Tulipa 'Tequila Sunrise' is VERY well named. I remember a certain morning after the night before when tequila was the drink of choice and the morning showed many bleary and bloodshot eyes among a group of friends.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 05, 2009, 11:02:16 PM
A good plant breeder will refrain from introducing plants which have such obvious defects as browning foliage when the flowers are out. Flower beauty is not and should not be, the only criterion when judging a new plant.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on May 06, 2009, 05:39:30 AM
Luit,

Wonderful photos! Hemynocallis looks quite special and elegant. I think it would be perfect for flower arrangements.

The tulip variety is very colourful and catchy. But I should say that it is Triumph tulip 'Hemisphere'. It immediately caught my attention when I first saw it last year among the pictures of a tourist, who were in Kokenhof (no plant are alike).  'Tequila Sunrise' is equally beautiful Triumph tulip with Darwin shape of flower - yellow with red edge. Pictures are presented below.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 06, 2009, 06:53:47 AM
Thank you Zhirair! I must have mixed the label pictures when naming my series. ???  :-[ :o
They were both there in the show, but the other picture was not good at all.
I will change my posting then!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 12, 2009, 04:52:42 PM
Some pictures of this week, to start with a very interesting Babiana. Never seen before.

Babiana tubulosa                           
Babiana Zwanenburg's Glory               
Iris TB Blazing Sunrise           
Iris TB Immortality                 
Iris TB Morning Show           
Iris TB Patina               
Iris TB Peach Jam               
Lilium tsingtauense               
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 12, 2009, 09:55:59 PM
'Patina' is my most favourite TB Iris, the old antique colours look wonderful in a large, pottery jar.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 18, 2009, 10:53:47 PM
This week had Heuchera and Hosta as special themes. I pictured some of both

Heuchera Caramel                     
Heuchera Dark Secret             
Heuchera Peach Flambé             
Heuchera Tiramisu           
Hosta Blue Mouse Ears           
Hosta Ghostmaster           
Hosta Invincible               
Hosta Mighty Mouse               
Hosta Orange Marmelade         
Hosta Whirlwind 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 18, 2009, 11:00:19 PM
One grower showed a Dichelostemma. There are some arguments about the naming, if it's D. capitatum
or D. pulchellum. This one was collected by the grower together with Jane McGary in Oregon.

Dichelostemma pulchellum

Among the other entries was a group of Hyacinths. The grower prepared a lot of these to
bring to the Chelsea Show and showed some pots here too.

Hyacinthus Group                 

There was a nice entry of Iris again

Iris TB Arpege             
Iris TB Pinnacle                   
Iris TB Skyfire                   
Iris TB Superstition                 
       
and some varied other entries.
Paeonia Lemon Chiffon             
Paeonia Mackinac Grand 
Tulbaghia cominsii x violacea     
Scilla litardierei
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 19, 2009, 05:11:54 AM
Some great plants in there Luit. I specially like the coloured leaf Heucheras. 'Dark secret' would fit in well in the new black garden I'm planning, as would the TB Iris 'Superstition.'
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on May 22, 2009, 07:02:41 PM
Very nice ones Luit.
Will these be masspropagated so that they will be available in many/most garden centers? In a few years time. They would greatly improve the ones that are here now.
Hope this is the case since some would be very welcome in my garden.  ::) :o ;D
Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 22, 2009, 08:55:18 PM
Did you mean Iris Joakim? Heuchea and Hosta are already masspropagated in a way that there are more than enough in trade.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on May 23, 2009, 11:29:03 AM
Luit I was thinking of the nice ones You showed that are much nicer than what usually exists of the Heuchea and I hoped that the Iris and Paeonia that are very nice also would be mass propageted so that they would be more easily available. Paeonias only come in three colours (white, pink and red) here and they might not even come true as doubles.

So I hoped that these nicer versions would be more available. Maybe I am in a slower end of the trade so that it takes long time for new things to show up but I live in the hope that they do eventually. I think they end up here if they are mass produced but not if they are only produced by smaller producers.
I thought that the show showed what the future of the mass market would be even if not all will be mass produced it shows the trends of the future?
Thanks for the pics and reports
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 26, 2009, 10:11:57 PM
Monday was a special day for Astilbe and Allium entries.
In this batch I show some of them.
Many others I pictured already last year:

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1315.135 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1315.135)

Allium carolinianum                     
Allium caspium                       
Allium cassium var. hirtellum           
Allium nevskianum                           
Allium fistulosum                         
Allium hyalinum                     
Allium litvinovii                     
Allium Universe     
Allium oreophilum Agalik's Giant       
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 26, 2009, 10:13:22 PM
and some of the other entries:

Astilbe
Alstroemeria pulchra var. lavandulacea                                   
Paeonia Command Performance             
Watsonia coccinea     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on May 26, 2009, 10:22:10 PM
Luit,
thanks for the alliums photos. This year A. litvinovii is nicely gentian blue - is it a new form?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 26, 2009, 11:06:21 PM
Better picture, less zoom. This picture is more likely than last year.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Onion on May 27, 2009, 07:41:55 PM
Luit,

thanks for the mouth watering pictures  :P :P :P
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on May 29, 2009, 07:47:41 PM
This week had Heuchera and Hosta as special themes. I pictured some of both

Heuchera Caramel                     
Heuchera Dark Secret             
Heuchera Peach Flambé             
Heuchera Tiramisu           
Hosta Blue Mouse Ears           
Hosta Ghostmaster           
Hosta Invincible               
Hosta Mighty Mouse               
Hosta Orange Marmelade         
Hosta Whirlwind 

Luit, the colourings of the Heucheras are fabulous (Dark secret my fourite) and the Hostas are really lovely too - foliage plants are so wonderful  :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on June 06, 2009, 10:20:34 AM
Luit, PLEASE don't mention cricket! ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 06, 2009, 01:40:33 PM
Luit, PLEASE don't mention cricket! ;D
David, please explain....
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on June 06, 2009, 02:40:20 PM
Dear Luit - I'm afraid it will hurt David EVEN more if he is forced to explain in writing how the Netherlands trounced England at one of our national sports, cricket yesterday.  This once popular sport in your country is now 26th in your rankings of national sports - probably on a par with nude karate or tandem pole vaulting!!!  It would, of course, have hurt David EVEN MORE if Lesley had explained this first!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on June 06, 2009, 06:56:53 PM
 ;D ;D ;D  If Lesley has heard it about I expect we shall get a comment! ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on June 06, 2009, 07:19:27 PM
I suspect Lesley may be diverted by the fact that the New Zealand team beat the Scots team today!!  :P
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on June 06, 2009, 07:34:59 PM
Good.

Lesley being diverted I mean, but, having said that ther's a certain joy at seeing the Scots get (another!) thrashing. :P
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 06, 2009, 08:50:54 PM
Now I do understand. I had to look at tele text about this. In Holland we only know of cricket, that there are running some white
dressed men with some sort of bat and a ball on a green field, but most of us think that this is a sport for middle-aged men. ;D ;D
Today was tennis and at the moment the Dutch play football on Iceland and that counts more.
Maybe we see two minutes on TV later tonight  :-\

Good.

Lesley being diverted I mean, but, having said that ther's a certain joy at seeing the Scots get (another!) thrashing. :P
Sound like words spoken by an Englishman  ;D ;D ;D   Ooooops... :-X :-X
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 06, 2009, 10:53:32 PM
Now that you've all finished talking about me in my absence..... :)
I was of course delighted to hear the Dutch beat the English (wearing orange this time Luit, not white). One always likes the underdog to win. :D As for the Kiwis beating the Scots, so they jolly well should have.
We'll probably do quite well overall in the competition, until we come to a grinding halt - yet again - against the Aussies.  ??? Then it will be Paul's turn to comment.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Kees Green on June 09, 2009, 01:49:37 AM
Hi
Stopped by who? Aussie have been eliminated, I think they were the first team ousted :)  What a shame that was, oh well they can all go and join Symonds for a quick beer and watch the next State of origin match  :P
I was happy with both the results, my name  and heritage is dutch and I am obviously from New Zealand and a big black caps fan.
Regards
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 09, 2009, 09:56:31 AM
I read that in the Netherlands are 7 cricket fields  ::) ::) ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on June 09, 2009, 10:56:03 AM
Quality goes before quantity Luit !  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on June 09, 2009, 11:02:12 AM
I read that in the Netherlands are 7 cricket fields  ::) ::) ;D

The medium size town of Rochdale has at least 7 semi-professional cricket grounds ... each boasting two or three teams.

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 09, 2009, 06:51:58 PM
Back to the flowers.

This week the show hall was almost totally filled with Iris hollandica in vases.
Obviously there are some other colors than blue and yellow ...
The first picture shows part of the entries

Iris hollandica                     
Iris hollandica Cream Beauty                 
Iris hollandica Gipsy Beauty               
Iris hollandica Lion King                   
Iris hollandica Mickey Ocean       
Iris hollandica Oriental Beauty           
Iris hollandica Shooting Star
Iris hollandica Mickey Purple 
Iris hollandica Mickey Sea         
Iris hollandica Nofa White   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 09, 2009, 06:55:18 PM
and a few more Iris

Iris hollandica Silvery Beauty                 
Iris hollandica Sky Beauty           
Iris hollandica Sky Wings             

A very nice red Ixia, the second pict. shows it when open a week later           

Ixia Jesse                       
Ixia Jesse 2           
                 
and some other entries:

Conanthera campanulata
Sprekelia formosissima
Chlidanthus fragrans
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on June 09, 2009, 07:10:15 PM
Very colourful indeed Luit. Maybe my Sprekelia will flower this year.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 09, 2009, 09:30:37 PM
I think among those lovely Dutch irises, I like 'Silvery Beauty' best but they're all beautiful. I like the bronzy colours too.

Yes Kees, I was SOOOOO sad about the Australians being eliminated from the cricket. Almost burst into tears about it. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. But we made a right mess of things this morning, with South Africa beating the Black Caps with just 127 runs on the board. Shocking. But never mind, we're through to the next round anyway. :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 16, 2009, 09:11:40 AM
Amongst lots of Iris, Allium etc. there were several other interesting entries to see this week.
Like the first picture of a bulbous plant from Chile, which I never saw before.

Pasithea coerulea
Arisaema candidissima         
Allium atropurpureum           
Begonia bertinii             
Primula florindae Ray's Ruby             
Ixia group                   
Ixia Spotlight
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 16, 2009, 09:14:07 AM
And one grower showed some beauties of hardy Geranium:
Geranium group   
Geranium sanguineum Tiny Monster       
Geranium Cluden Sapphire         
Geranium sanguineum Lightning Soil           
Geranium versicolor           
Geranium Dragon Heart           
Geranium Corsa             
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on June 16, 2009, 09:55:30 AM
Beeeeeautiful, Luit!!!  G. Corsa is divine.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on June 16, 2009, 04:41:15 PM
Corsa and Dragon Heart are my choice - maybe I'm beguiled by seconds one's name ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerdk on June 16, 2009, 05:01:51 PM
Amongst lots of Iris, Allium etc. there were several other interesting entries to see this week.
Like the first picture of a bulbous plant from Chile, which I never saw before.
Pasithea coerulea


Luit, please have a look at Flowers and Foliage now -  Reply 334, May 20th 09!

Nevertheless quite amazing which rare plants are shown in Lisse! Always interesting!

Gerd

Edit by Maggi: it is here!     http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3510.msg94054#msg94054
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 16, 2009, 09:43:57 PM
Is it possible that I see so many pictures of plants on this Forum, that I some of them don't remember
after some weeks ?  ::) ::) ::)
Or has it something to do with aging  :-\.....  :o
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on June 16, 2009, 09:48:21 PM
Luit, I can tell you for sure that there are so many plants on this forum that sometimes I do not remember them after a few hours, let alone days or weeks!  ::) :-[
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Michael J Campbell on June 16, 2009, 09:51:21 PM
Quote
Or has it something to do with aging
Luit, I know the feeling very well, my family call it Alzheimers, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on June 16, 2009, 09:57:40 PM
Since my beloved Father suffered with that awful disease, as have too many of his relatives, I can only hope in my case for it not to be so. :-X  I  much prefer to think of any lapses as minor overload. :-\
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ezeiza on June 17, 2009, 12:43:31 AM
Hi Luit:

          Pasithea is not a bulbous plant, it is a common herbaceous perennial with the most striking deep blue flowers.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 17, 2009, 08:57:37 AM
Luit, I can tell you for sure that there are so many plants on this forum that sometimes I do not remember them after a few hours, let alone days or weeks!  ::) :-[

Quote from: Michael J Campbell  
Quote
Or has it something to do with aging
Luit, I know the feeling very well, my family call it Alzheimers,     

Thank goodness, I am so relieved to read Maggi’s and Michael’s words… :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 17, 2009, 08:58:44 AM
Hi Luit:

          Pasithea is not a bulbous plant, it is a common herbaceous perennial with the most striking deep blue flowers.
Thank you Alberto, will have to research better before writing.    If I don’t forget… :-\ ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerdk on June 17, 2009, 06:53:07 PM
Is it possible that I see so many pictures of plants on this Forum, that I some of them don't remember
after some weeks ?  ::) ::) ::)
Or has it something to do with aging  :-\.....  :o

Luit, Isn't it calming to be in good company here. There are so many things I don't remember even after a short while.
The most irritating occurence for me is that I loose my tiny garden hoe nearly once in a week. Everytime the same - I throw it into a plastic bag together with the weeds and put the bag aside. After some time when I decide to weed again I miss my little favorite tool. Then I must empty the weed filled bags used recently in order to find the garden hoe. So I waste a lot of time.  On the other hand it is a joyful moment when I have it back  ;D ;D ;D

I add a pic of my little gem!

Gerd
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on June 17, 2009, 09:59:26 PM
Luit,

Love those two Geraniums.  All are very nice though.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 17, 2009, 10:11:40 PM
Your little hoe looks very well used Gerd, which testifies to what a useful tool it is. Guard it carefully. Perhaps someone should start a thread with favourite tools? Many have an interesting history with them.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 17, 2009, 10:31:54 PM
Luit,

Love those two Geraniums. 

Which two Paul?  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on June 18, 2009, 05:50:34 AM
Oops.  :-[  I was so taken by 'Dragon Heart' and 'Corsa' that I didn't even realise that the others in that post were Geraniums as well.  I must have just tuned them completely out and focused on the last two alone.  How embarrassing. :-[
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 18, 2009, 06:06:09 AM
Paul, when I came to the table with the entries I just saw these two varieties first.
They were really eyecatching, so actually I did understand what you meant, but had to ask for the good order... ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on June 18, 2009, 06:21:25 AM
Well I can take some comfort from the fact I wasn't alone.  ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ezeiza on June 18, 2009, 10:57:33 PM
Hi Luit:

          No bullying implied! But Pasithea are often lost because it is treated harsh and dry as if it were a bulb. It has fleshy "octopus" roots somehow like an Anthericum or Chlorophytum, that cn dry out easily.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on June 19, 2009, 09:38:39 AM
Pasithea are often lost because it is treated harsh and dry as if it were a bulb. It has fleshy "octopus" roots somehow like an Anthericum or Chlorophytum, that can dry out easily.
That's good to know as I've just germinated some from Seedex seed!
Thanks, Alberto.
And thanks, Luit, for the pics.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on June 19, 2009, 10:04:27 AM
Fermi,

I've got some that are in their second year.  I really must get around to repotting them.  Maybe after I finish my contract at work on the 30th and have some free time.  ::)  SO much to repot. :o
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ezeiza on June 20, 2009, 02:33:22 AM
Hi Fermi:

            It comes from a Mediterranean climate and grows very well at UCBG at Berkeley, California, where the winter is sunny and chilly. The critic time is of course, summer, when the roots must not dry off.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 23, 2009, 05:55:58 AM
Thank you all for your comments. It's good to know that you don't (just) have a look at my pictures, but criticize me when I write some rubbish. That keeps me sharp, which again is good to repress the eventual Alzheimer  ::) ;D ;D
This week I pictured only bulb flowers!  ;)

We were very much surprised to see flowers of a Muscari after the longest day of the year.

Muscari Etude

And we saw some breeding improvements in  Dichelostemma.

Dichelostemma ida- maia            
Dichelostemma Red Empire            
Dichelostemma Red Princess              

And I picked some cultivars out of a big entry of Triteleia.
I showed some more last year already.  http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1315.msg48237#msg48237 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1315.msg48237#msg48237)

Triteleia Pink Heaven          
Triteleia Powerpoint            
Triteleia Ellen
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on June 23, 2009, 09:03:22 AM
Luit,
these are very impressive pics  :o - I love'm all! ;D
Who is breeding the Triteleia? Do you know which species have been used? The "Powerpoint" one certainly is a different shade to what I've seen before.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on June 23, 2009, 10:29:51 AM
It is, isn't it Fermi (although I only grow one or two, I haven't seen pics of that colour before).  I am particularly taken by the Muscari Etude though.  Fantastic flower colouration!!  And such wonderful leaves for a Muscari to.  ;) ;D :P
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on June 23, 2009, 11:01:00 AM
I think I would plump for Triteleia 'Ellen' ... such a delightful flower.

Many thanks (as always), Luit.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 23, 2009, 11:11:43 AM
That Muscari is certainly a most unusual colour for the genus. Hope it reaches the commercial world soon, and maybe finds its way to li'l ol' NZ. :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 30, 2009, 06:45:40 AM
Luit,
these are very impressive pics  :o - I love'm all! ;D
Who is breeding the Triteleia? Do you know which species have been used? The "Powerpoint" one certainly is a different shade to what I've seen before.
cheers
fermi
Fermi, the Triteleia are bred by a growers combination, known as group under the name: The Revolutions.
The selling etc. is done by one trader, here is the Website:

http://www.boltha.nl (http://www.boltha.nl)

I am afraid it is only in Dutch, but there are some pictures and something
about history and a lot of links to traders etc.
You could try some questions to Mr. Jan van den Berg about the Triteleia breeding.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 30, 2009, 06:49:24 AM
There were again many entries with Triteleia, but I will start with some other interesting
plants.

Albuca shawii
Albuca nelsonii                     
Phlox Jessica                 
Allium Dready 1                         
Allium Dready 2                       
Brodiaea Babylon                       
Triteleia laxa double Seedl.                     
Triteleia peduncularis x bridgesii             
Triteleia Yellow Star                       
Triteleia Waterfall
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on June 30, 2009, 08:27:12 AM
Beautiful Trits, Luit.  And that Allium is rather strange with it's dreadlocks.  ;D  Cool. 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on June 30, 2009, 10:41:02 AM
The Triteleia look amazng, Luit, and the flowers so perfect - I have the more ordinary Queen Fabiola flowering in the raised bed at the moment in their 3rd year.  They take ages to come in to flower with the leaves first but I love the way they grow and hold their heads up to the sun, great blue too  :) 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on June 30, 2009, 08:05:13 PM
What beautiful Brodiaea and Triteleia selections Luit. The thing I find odd, having seen so many of the beautiful selections you have photographed for us, is that I never see them in the catalogues of the specialist bulb suppliers because they do not, in the main, interest their market, but nor do I seem to see them in the garden centres which consistently stock only the common varieties. The breeders must be selling them but they don't seem to get into the British market place.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 30, 2009, 09:30:50 PM
Thank you all for the nice comments, but the pleasure is on me because I am able to see them all with my own eyes  :D

David, you can always make some inquiries at the Website I gave above.
If you don't get an answer you might inform me. I see the man almost every week.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on June 30, 2009, 11:54:58 PM
Luit,
Thanks for the website - something to investigate when I have more time.
And some more fabulous flowers,especially the Triteleia hybrids - but that Allium!  :o All those bulbils ready to spread across the garden at the first chance they get! Too much like some of the weed species we already have in the country.
cheers
fermi
PS that double T. laxa has the same look as Wahlenbergia stricta "Blue mist"!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 01, 2009, 06:55:18 AM
Fermi, these Allium are grown for cutflower production here.
I believe these types are all forms of A. vineale and it started with the selection 'Hair', which now is
often offered in bulb catalogues, so this one will follow soon I think.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 07, 2009, 07:29:52 PM
Special entries of Agapanthus were invited for this week.
There were a lot of entries with flowers in vases and in pots.
For most pot it was a bit early as they were not really flowering, but in a few weeks there is
another special with Agapanthus.
I show just one of the entries in pots to show what we can expect later.

Agapanthus Madurodam
Agapanthus Saville Blue             
Agapanthus Sofie             
Agapanthus Stephanie Charm               

and there were many other entries:

Tulbaghia maritima   
Crocosmia Lucifer       
Cosmos peucedanifolius 1           
Cosmos peucedanifolius 2
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 07, 2009, 07:31:53 PM
and some more:

Dianthus erinaceus var. alpinus
Lilium Pink Tiger 1             
Lilium Pink Tiger 2
Galtonia regalis 1                 
Galtonia regalis 2             
Lilium leichtlinii
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 07, 2009, 09:41:39 PM
Special entries of Agapanthus were invited for this week.
There were a lot of entries with flowers in vases and in pots.
For most pot it was a bit early as they were not really flowering, but in a few weeks there is
another special with Agapanthus.
I show just one of the entries in pots to show what we can expect later.

Agapanthus Madurodam
Agapanthus Saville Blue             
Agapanthus Sofie             
Agapanthus Stephanie Charm               


Looking forward to more Agapanthus from the Flowershow - Stephanie Charm is very elegant but I love the blues too  :)

It's wonderful to see so many gorgeous, tantalising entries, Luit, thanks for showing them  :o
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 08, 2009, 10:32:03 PM
And a good, true Dianthus erinaceus. I can almost feel the pain! ;D Having said that, it is much better grown out in the open air than under glass. The plant is tighter, bluer, and more floriferous. No doubt more vicious too. ???
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 14, 2009, 07:27:08 AM
This week we saw a very nice small Gladiolus. It's a cross where Gladiolus nanus was used.
Another interestin item was one of the newer forms of Echinacea.
Some forms of Echinacea make nice big flower heads and flower arrangers like it to use them without petals.
I show first a picture without petals and one of the same cultivar after a week in a vase.

Gladiolus seedling
Gladiolus seedl. cl.

Echinacea White Mist 1       
Echinacea White Mist 2

Crinum powellii Alba
Lilium Nettie's Pride
Babiana stricta                             
Chasmanthe floribunda
Chasmanthe floribunda var. duckittii
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on July 14, 2009, 01:15:30 PM
Luit,

Fascinating Lilium.  Love the Chasmanthe.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on July 14, 2009, 02:01:26 PM
Mmmm, me too, and the Babiana, lovely.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 14, 2009, 02:40:49 PM
All very interesting , Luit, and I am fascinated by the look of the two shots of:

Echinacea White Mist 1       
Echinacea White Mist 2

I think I almost prefer number 1, without the petals - although it wouldn't then be named 'white mist' rather 'orange sun'  ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 15, 2009, 07:40:55 AM
Luit,
that Gladdie is certainly interesting - a bit like Rogan's "jammy mouth" flower he showed on another thread! "Nettie's pride" Lilium is alos a bit of a break from the usual.
cheers
fermi
 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 01, 2009, 10:11:14 PM
My absence from the Forum has been caused by several weeks of holidays and lots of different other things to do afterwards and of work in the garden. Not finished yet, but some more time to post in the Forum  :-\.

This week there were some entries of Dahlia and a great display of  named Colchicum.
Just for a restart in this thread a picture of this entry.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ashley on September 01, 2009, 10:16:55 PM
Welcome back Luit :D

Are these cultivars of C. autumnale?  I like the dark forms in particular 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on September 01, 2009, 11:16:47 PM
Mmmmm... middle at the back and far left at the back look beautifully dark. 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 01, 2009, 11:56:37 PM
Welcome back and I'm looking forward to your next lot of postings, Luit, what a fabulous opening display of Colchicum  :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on September 02, 2009, 08:48:18 AM
Welkom thuis Luit !

Looking forward to see these Colchicum from a little closer !  ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 02, 2009, 11:26:51 AM
Amongst the different entries there were:
species like C. tenorii, C. pannonicum, C. laetum, C. byzantinum
and Cultivars Innocence, Lilac Bedder, Disraeli, Violet Queen and William Dykes

The light was not good enough to picture the flowers with the right colors, so I cannot show them apart.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 08, 2009, 10:00:13 AM
This Monday it was a sunny day outside and the light in the hall was
much better than last week.
And there was a new entry with Colchicum too, so here some pictures of them.
Just the group of Crocosmia I had to photograph against the light
I show two pictures though to show what I mean with bad light to
make pictures
   
                           
Colchicum atticum                           
Colchicum Harlekijn 
Colchicum Autumn Herald                 
Colchicum Conquest                     
Colchicum Giant                     
Colchicum Poseidon             
Colchicum Innocence
Colchicum Rosy Dawn                 
Colchicum Violet Queen                 
Colchicum Waterlily         
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 08, 2009, 10:04:09 AM
batch 2:

Colchicum William Dykes               
Colchicum Zephyr                   
Crocosmia group 1             
Crocosmia group 2             
Nerine filifolia               
Sternbergia lutea Angustifolia       
Tritonia laxifolia                       
Tritonia lineata var. parviflora
x Amarygia parkeri Alba
Bessera elegans           
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on September 08, 2009, 01:54:28 PM
Wonderful photos, Luit!

Colchicums are great! I like 'Poseidon' the best. Dark-coloured cultivars as 'Conquest' and 'Violate Queen' are also appealing. I have no words about 'Harlekijn' - very odd-ball exotic variety, which deserves growing. I obtained some bulbs of it last year, but they didn't come up. Sometimes it happens, especially beacuse of late shipment. But generally the bulbs don't die, but split into several smaller ones. Must check them in these days.

Amarygia parkeri Alba is an inetersting plant. Never seen it before. Resembles somwhat amaryllis.
Tritonias look nice.

Thanks for showing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on September 08, 2009, 07:32:45 PM
As usual, lovely pics Luit. Whenever I see pics of Colchicum I always wish I had grown some but the leaves do put me off.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 08, 2009, 07:41:43 PM
Luit, thank  you for your autumn greetings with these a lot of autumn flowers. Your colchicum series is a pleasure. Could you show us a few more some times later???
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on September 09, 2009, 06:39:15 AM
As usual, lovely pics Luit. Whenever I see pics of Colchicum I always wish I had grown some but the leaves do put me off.

David,
the leaves??? To me, they are very nice and make a good display in the garden during spring, especially those with very robust big leaves. Some people grow hostas for garden decorations, but I think that colchicums are also not bad for this purpose.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 09, 2009, 03:36:03 PM
Lovely postings from the Lisse Flowershow, Luit, the Colchicums are all so attractive in their own way and Conquest is a gorgeous dark colour with light stems.  Crocosmia and Nerine filifolia outstanding too - thanks
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 14, 2009, 09:29:55 PM
Today I made pictures of the following plants at the show.
In the Show Hall the temps are kept around 15˚C ,which means that there is
much ventilation needed, therefore some flowers never stand still, like here the
Crocosmia and these pictures are a bit blurred.
                                           
Crocosmia John Boots             
Crocosmia Mistral             
Dahlia Hamari Gold     
Dahlia Hillcrest Matt 1             
Dahlia Hillcrest Matt 2             
Dahlia Striped Vulcan 1         
Dahlia Striped Vulcan 2           
Dahlia Sarah Mae
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 14, 2009, 09:31:50 PM
next

Rhodophiala advena               
Dahlia Henriëtte 1             
Dahlia Henriëtte 2               
Zephyranthes candida               
Zephyranthes candida cl               
Scadoxus multiflorus
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on September 14, 2009, 10:41:53 PM
No problem with those smart Dahlias blooms moving in the breeze... they are too sturdy for such movement!  I must say, I do find these Dahlias strangely attractive......I am quite converted to them!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 15, 2009, 10:20:18 AM
Sarah Mae is absolutely wild  :o I really like it, although normally I prefer the deeper reds and simpler forms, the others remind me a little of Elizabethan ruffs - starchy and upright! My Mother used to grow Dahlias for the local market and I do remember loving the cactus ones with sparkling dew on them as I cut them  :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 15, 2009, 04:24:55 PM
Luit, thank  you for your autumn greetings with these a lot of autumn flowers. Your colchicum series is a pleasure. Could you show us a few more some times later???
Hagen,
during the last weeks I made pictures of flowering Colchicum at the Connoisseur Collection.
There are some which come origially from P. Visser.
You may see them there now.
Here is the link:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1331.msg109594#msg109594 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1331.msg109594#msg109594)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 16, 2009, 09:50:08 AM
Thank you for the tip, Luit. The pics are very helpful.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: johnw on October 07, 2009, 11:24:55 PM
Luit - I recall the fantastic show of Nerine bowdenii at Lisse last year. You posted from the Show on the 14th of October. Will they have another display of them next week? ::) ::)

johnw
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 08, 2009, 07:41:08 AM
Hi John,
if you would have looked at the Events pages (Discussion Weekend) you might have seen that I
was there and I will not be able to know what's going on at Lisse.
Driving slowly down from Scotland through British rural countryside is a chance which we have taken instead of flying home quick  :D :D :D     8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 19, 2009, 09:39:03 PM
The Monday before we left for the Discussion Weekend I made pictures
of the Show, but had no time left to send them then.
It was a nice show and there were a lot of variable entries.
Many flowers, like Watsonia were never shown before here.

Batch one:

Oxalis Ken Aslet
Crocosmia [?] Jackanapes                 
Crocosmia Constance                     
Crocosmia Star of the East               
Echinacea
Echinacea Hot Summer               
Echinacea Irresistible                   
Echinacea Orange Luxury               
Echinacea Razzmatazz                   
Echinacea Summer Breeze
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on October 19, 2009, 10:29:16 PM
These Echinacea are startling colours.... they speak loudly of summer when the autumn is coming! Really cheerful flowers........how nice it would be to have some space for these plants.  :(
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on October 20, 2009, 01:12:05 AM
I like Sarah Mae too Robin. I'll bet she dances a mean shimmy! (There's a resurrection of an old song called "She's a Mod" doing the rounds here at present. SM would be in her element there, with wild hair shaking all around. ;D)

And I'm so pleased to see Crocosmia 'Star of the East' as I'm able at last (after at least 10 years) to identify mine, one of a small collection given to me years ago, with names but not attached to individual plants. S of the E was one name and I now know on which plant to put it. :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 20, 2009, 07:05:54 AM
And I'm so pleased to see Crocosmia 'Star of the East' as I'm able at last (after at least 10 years) to identify mine, one of a small collection given to me years ago, with names but not attached to individual plants. S of the E was one name and I now know on which plant to put it. :D
Glad to be of help Lesley!

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 20, 2009, 07:09:19 AM
Batch two:

Eucomis Au Mer                       
Eucomis bicolor mut.                   
Watsonia Flamboyant               
Watsonia Peach Glow 1           
Watsonia Peach Glow 2                   
Watsonia Snow Queen
Leucanthemum Old Court Variety               
Watsonia Ablaze               
Watsonia aletroides                   
Watsonia Cherry Splash
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on October 20, 2009, 07:45:22 AM
Luit,

Fantastic pics as always.  I love those Echinaceas... amazing colours and forms.  And the seedheads on the Eucomis..... ooh i want to see what the seedlings would turn out like.  ;D ;D

Thanks for the pics. 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 22, 2009, 07:27:41 AM
This week again some very interesting entries
Grasses were especially invited for the show and some of them are shown here. 

Carex morrowii Ice Ballett             
Carex Silver Sceptre     
Miscanthus 1                     
Miscanthus 2                         
Miscanthus Ferner Osten
Pennisetum Red Head 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 22, 2009, 07:29:42 AM
A big entry of Astilbe in very good quality:

Astilbe group 1                     
Astilbe group 2           
Astilbe group 3             
Astilbe                   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 22, 2009, 07:32:19 AM
There were several autumn flowering bulbs to see too:

Colchicum baytopiorum                 
Colchicum procurrens               
Crocus goulimyi                       
Crocus speciosus Cassiope               
Oxalis anomala               
 
more to come later....
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on October 22, 2009, 07:43:31 AM
Superb (as usual) Luit ... many thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on October 22, 2009, 10:14:12 AM
Great bunch of photos Luit!
I liked the Colchicum baytopiorum since it flowers with it foliage, but maybe I should not like it and get used to naked flowering instead? ::)
Great to see so strong Astilbe in great colours. 8)
The Eucomis seems like aliens and are great to see. :o
Thanks a lot  ;D
Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 22, 2009, 11:58:02 AM
A wonderful show, Luit, the setting is perfect for showing of these lovely flowers and plants in the lower Autumn light....the display has meandering feel about it which must lead you on to the next display.

The grasses on show are wonderful and of particular interest to me as there are so many varieties here in the Alps which I have not seen before as well - they look very at home on the mountains in harsh dry and shady wet.

Lovely Oxalis, Crocus, Colchicum and the Astilbe are magnificent, thanks  :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 22, 2009, 06:49:08 PM
Thanks for the replies, friends!

Quote
A wonderful show, Luit, the setting is perfect for showing of these lovely flowers and plants in the lower Autumn light....the display has meandering feel about it which must lead you on to the next display.

Robin, I was not aware of the possibility to look in such a romantic way to the plants when visiting the show  ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 22, 2009, 06:52:11 PM
Some very nice Nerine:

Nerine bowdenii Alba             
Nerine bowdenii Stephanie       
Nerine Joan                     
Nerine Red Pimpernel             
Nerine wellsii                     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 22, 2009, 06:53:08 PM
And a new Geranium shown by the breeder of  Geranium Jolly Bee:
Hopefully there is more difference as there is between G. Rozanne
and Jolly Bee?
 
Geranium Havana Blues
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 22, 2009, 06:55:26 PM
One exhibitor showed a totally new plant which caused the committee some
trouble, because the name was not written right and we could not find
anything about it in literature.
One member of the jury remembered making a picture of the plant in S. Africa and
could give later the right name.
This plant is seemingly in culture in Japan and was shown here with the
cultivar name: Ice Cristal

It is Fincinia and probably F.truncata (Cyperaceae) from S. Africa

Ficinia [truncata] 1                    
Ficinia [truncata] 2                  
Ficinia [truncata] flower head

Would love to know if there are Forum members on the S.H. , especially S. Africa, who can tell
some more about this very attractive plant.
Edit 28.10. with  pictures right named  
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on October 22, 2009, 08:13:19 PM
Luit,
brilliant and unusual images (as usual :D) - Are there more croci pictures to come?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on October 22, 2009, 08:51:17 PM
Nice ones
Are all the nerines shown able to be grown outside in the Netherlands?
They are great looking ones. There was a talk earlier about white nerienes in an other thread.
Great to see them here.
Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on October 23, 2009, 11:53:13 AM

It is Fincinia and probably F.truncata (Cyperaceae) from S. Africa

Fincinia [truncata] 1                   
Fincinia [truncata] 2                   
Fincinia [truncata] flower head

Would love to know if there are Forum members on the S.H. , especially S. Africa, who can tell
some more about this very attractive plant.


A few images can be found on this link, Luit ... not much help but it may be of interest?

http://sophy.u-3mrs.fr/Afriqsud/LIENPLAN.HTM
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on October 23, 2009, 02:11:40 PM
Having a search around for this plant , I discover that while I ccan find a few references to "Fincinia" the RHS database only recognises "Ficinia" and I think that the plant at Lisse is thus a  Ficinia ;)

Have found a few online references to Ficinia truncata
......http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantefg/ficinia.htm

http://www.aluka.org/action/showCompilationPage?doi=10.5555/AL.AP.COMPILATION.PLANT-NAME-SPECIES.FICINIA.TRUNCATA&cookieSet=1
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 23, 2009, 04:03:30 PM
Thanks Cliff, every bit is helpfull

Having a search around for this plant , I discover that while I ccan find a few references to "Fincinia" the RHS database only recognises "Ficinia" and I think that the plant at Lisse is thus a  Ficinia ;)
Maggi, here is seen again how wrong names often occur.  8) 8) :o
It is my spelling fault. I saw the first website of S.A. too and wrote the wrong name despite reading.
We will next Monday talk about this matter and then I will probably change my picture names.

Not as an excuse, but the plant was sent under the name Fincima, which was to find nowhere...

Now we need only somebody who this plant possibly has in culture and knows more about hardiness etc. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on October 23, 2009, 04:17:37 PM
Quote
Maggi, here is seen again how wrong names often occur.

Yes, it is so very easy to make a mistake, with reading a label or with typing ....or with memory, as often happens with me! :-[ :-X  At least with the latin names we stand a chance of finding the correct name eventually !  ::) ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 05, 2009, 07:38:26 AM
In November there are mostly not so many entries in the Show Hall.
But the few shown are interesting though:
               
Gladiolus carmineus                       
Ipheion sessile                         
Nerina bowdenii (unknown Cultivar)             
Crocus cartwrightianus Pale Clone                           
Nerine undulata                         
Nerine undulata cl.                   
Nerine manselli                         
Nerine manselli cl.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on November 05, 2009, 05:18:51 PM
Really interesting and well grown Luit - lovely Nerines and the C Crocus cartwrightianus Pale Clone is just gorgeous
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 05, 2009, 07:36:50 PM
More lovely things Luit, many thanks. The Nerine manselli is very nice with sublte colouring, not just red.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on November 05, 2009, 07:47:04 PM
Luit,
the C. cartwrightianus "Pale Clone" looks much better than the picture in P.C. Nijssen 2009 catalogue ;) A pity that I haven't ordered some.
My C. cartwrightianus /C. sativus in the garden start to flower but the weather is miserable - cold, windy and rain and rain  >:(
If no sunshine the next couple of days - buds will wither and decompose with out having opened :'(

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 19, 2009, 10:33:23 AM
This week we saw flowers of Chasmanthe which were cut outside and looked remarkably nice.
The exhibitor also showed a vase with Chasmanthe seeds to show the use as cutflowers too.

Most interesting was a plate with berries from another exhibitor.
At the first look the orange berries were of Iris foetidissima,
but they were from Littonia modesta. Not really a 'must have' plant for the garden, but the collected fruits look great.
 
Chasmanthe floribunda Saturnus 1                 
Chasmanthe floribunda Saturnus 2         
Chasmanthe tuber                             
Nerine flexuosa Alba                       
Littonia modesta and Staphylea colchica
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Regelian on November 19, 2009, 06:54:51 PM
Luit,

what a beautiful 'snack' arrangement!  I'd never seen seedpods from either.  
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: mark smyth on November 19, 2009, 07:05:59 PM
the C. cartwrightianus "Pale Clone" looks much better than the picture in P.C. Nijssen 2009 catalogue ;) A pity that I haven't ordered some.

I'm not allowed to order from Nijssen anymore because I complained about wrong bulbs
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on November 20, 2009, 11:02:10 AM
Mark,
WYSIWYG - seem not to work for bulb supplieres.
A never ending story causing annual repeating annoyances >:(
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: maggiepie on November 20, 2009, 12:22:44 PM
My favourite is the Crocus cartwrightianus Pale Clone , absolutely beautiful.

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: mark smyth on November 20, 2009, 12:31:22 PM
Armin I don't see it in their catalogue
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerry Webster on November 20, 2009, 04:32:46 PM
Armin I don't see it in their catalogue
It's there Mark, along with a photo of C. hadriaticus pretending to be C. niveus.

Edit
Go to 'Fotogallery' where you will find C. cartwrightianus 'Pale Clone'.  I wonder what this is? It is suspiciously cheap at 10 corms for 11€.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 24, 2009, 10:22:22 PM
Despite the time of year there were some nice flowers this week:

Crocus laevigatus var. fontenayi           
Galanthus reginae-olgae                   
Iris planifolia ln Marokko       
Narcissus Ariël   
              A nice short staying substitute for so called Paperwhite Narcissus.
Narcissus romieuxii             
Nerine Hera 1                     
Nerine Hera 2
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 24, 2009, 10:56:23 PM
Iris planifolia is the pick of that bunch, for me. :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on November 25, 2009, 09:47:57 AM
nice ones :)
Did the Nerine Hera bloom with foliage up?
It seems there to be some foliage in the photo but it might be from an other plant.
Nice plant is it hardy to almost frost or even hardier?
Thanks for showing

Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: mark smyth on November 25, 2009, 10:02:02 AM
Again many thanks for taking the time to take photos at the display
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: daveyp1970 on November 25, 2009, 10:09:17 AM
stunning Gladiolus carmineus but gladi's are my favourite plants,also like Lesley love the Iris planifolia
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 25, 2009, 07:14:25 PM
That's a very red carmineus compared with mine.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on November 25, 2009, 09:35:58 PM
Lesley,
your G. carmineus is very beautiful too 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 26, 2009, 06:18:57 AM
nice ones :)
Did the Nerine Hera bloom with foliage up?
It seems there to be some foliage in the photo but it might be from an other plant.
Nice plant is it hardy to almost frost or even hardier?
Thanks for showing

Kind regards
Joakim
Joakim, yes there were some leaves. Nerine Hera belongs to the N. bowdenii Group.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on November 26, 2009, 01:33:22 PM
Thank for the information Luit.
I will look out for it and similar.
Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 01, 2009, 06:54:23 PM
Again a small harvest this week, but I noted the following entries for you:

Haemanthus deformis 1                   
Haemanthus deformis 2             

The first Hyacinths of this winter season on the show benches:

Hyacinthus multiflorus pink
Hyacinthus Atlantic
Hyacinthus Bright Eyes     
               
Iris unguicularis Walter Butt 1               
Iris unguicularis Walter Butt 2         

The last entry of this week:

This plant is mostly seen in flower during September/October, but since some
years I am trying how they flower outside when repotted rather late and just left
the watering etc. to nature.
Here is this year's result:
Scilla lingulata   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on December 01, 2009, 07:52:21 PM
As usual Luit you brighten my day. I wish my Iris unguicularis looked as pristine as the ones you have shown.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 01, 2009, 09:23:39 PM
As usual Luit you brighten my day.

Before or after your single malt David?  ;D ;D    ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 01, 2009, 09:25:20 PM
Scilla lingulata is a beauty Luit, especially in a good clump like that and I really like the pink Hyacinth multiflorus. It has a more "natural" appearance than the very formal and stiff kinds. Thank you for these lovely pictures.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on December 02, 2009, 10:55:04 AM
Scilla lingulata is a beauty Luit, especially in a good clump like that

I agree with Lesley, Luit !
Very nice potful !
Thanks for showing !
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on December 02, 2009, 11:40:04 AM
Great selection Luit. Thanks!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ChrisB on December 03, 2009, 11:12:04 PM
What a cheerful sight on such a dank, drear day.  Thanks Luit!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 23, 2009, 07:05:20 PM
Every year the Royal Bulb Growers Society (KAVB) organizes a special
Christmas Show, which is also the last Weekly Show of the year.
This Monday there were many entries of flowering bulbs.
So I saw an entry of Dutch Iris in a very good quality for the time
of year.
Special on this entry was that the bulbs were grown and harvested in
France in 2008 and hold back till this autumn and now producing
the flowers in Portugal for cutflower purposes.
   
Iris hollandica coll.
Iris Blue Magic
Iris Casablanca                      
Iris Professor Blaauw                  
Iris Telstar                        

Nearby were some vases with beautiful Alstroemeria.

Alstroemeria Corfu                                      
Alstroemeria Ilsa 1                            
Alstroemeria Nadya 1      
Alstroemeria Roselyn    
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 23, 2009, 07:09:39 PM
Outside the Hall in the Trade Centre was an enormous entry of
Hippeastrum, with many new cultivars of different Groups.                                   

Hippeastrum [judging]                             
Hippeastrum Traviata                 
Hippeastrum Colibri Group 1         
Hippeastrum Colibri Group 1a     
Hippeastrum Spider Group Melfi               

And some very good entries of Hyacinths:

Hyacinthus coll.                     
Hyacinthus
Hyacinthus multiflorus     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 23, 2009, 07:13:46 PM
Ofcourse there were tulips:

Tulipa  
Tulipa Christmas Gift                  
Tulipa Dutch Design                  
Tulipa Marrero          
          
      
And finally some more Hippeastrum.
      
Hippeastrum Babyface                  
Hippeastrum Colibri Group      
Hippeastrum Pompidou                  
Hippeastrum group  
                    
This was the last Weekly Show of 2009!
May these flowers cheer you up in these dark days before Christmas..    :D        
                      
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on December 23, 2009, 07:40:45 PM
.... and they did Luit, thank you.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on December 23, 2009, 07:52:56 PM
What colour for this time of year. I find the story of the Dutch Iris via France to Portugal for the cut flower market most interesting....and how lovely they are.

Everything looks so perfect... so well displayed.... even after a long year the exhibitors are still working at the top of their skills.

The Hippeastrum with the golden yellow/apricot tones are stunning..... different than anything I have seen... so pretty.

A real treat for us, as always, Luit.... Thank You very much!  8) :-*
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 23, 2009, 08:43:57 PM
When we should have masses of floral displays at this time of year - the roses are good - it's such a miserable summer so far Luit, that your lovely shots are a great lifter-of-the-spirits here too. I thank you for them with all my heart.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on December 23, 2009, 08:48:59 PM
That really is a treat Luit, thank you so much for all your time and hard work putting the photos up for us during the year.  It is one of the threads that I look forward to seeing when I log on.  Happy Christmas to you and your family.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ChrisB on December 23, 2009, 10:29:59 PM
What a cheerful sight, Luit.  Thank you for sharing.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on December 23, 2009, 11:07:01 PM
Wow, Luit.  Spectacular displays.  I hope that Alstroemeria 'Corfu' makes it out here one day and available to home gardeners.... such a wonderfully dark colour to it.  And the Hippeastrums!!  :o :o :o

Thanks for showing us.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: mark smyth on December 23, 2009, 11:18:00 PM
to me Hyacinthus multiflorus is much nicer that the other Hyacinths
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on December 24, 2009, 12:25:07 AM
Thanks so much for these pics, Luit.
The flowers are spectacular - a wonderful Christmas Show!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on December 24, 2009, 12:30:01 AM
Wouldn't it be great to be able to have all the christmas decorations in your house be made from glorious fresh flowers like these? 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: johnw on December 24, 2009, 12:57:43 AM
Thanks Luit for a year of Lisse, one of the best threads we have.

johnw
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Regelian on December 24, 2009, 04:26:14 AM
Luit,

those cybister-bred Hippeastrums are wonderful.  So hard to find them, although I've managed 2 or three over the years.  Thanks for brightening-up the season.!

jamie
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on January 09, 2010, 10:03:31 PM
Luit, I have only just visited your wonderful Lisse Flowershow you posted before Christmas and what a wonderful warm glowing show it is - I just love the setting and every display is tip top beautifully photographed and presented thank you so much for this wonderful thread I always look forward to  :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 10, 2010, 04:57:49 PM
Luit, I have only just visited your wonderful Lisse Flowershow you posted before Christmas and what a wonderful warm glowing show it is - I just love the setting and every display is tip top beautifully photographed and presented thank you so much for this wonderful thread I always look forward to  :)

Robin, in this thread there a maybe some more pictures to warm you up?
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4795.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4795.0)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 09, 2010, 07:23:51 PM
I do hope it is o.k. when I show this year again pictures of the weekly Shows from Lisse  
During the former years I showed already many pictures, so it is possible that I show
some, which you already saw here.
Therefore I will show less pictures because it is likely that in such a short time not
so many new varieties will show up.

Here are some pictures of flowers, shown in the last two weeks.
I want to say on the forehand that I show flowers of the show, which does not mean
automatically that I like all flowers personally.
Narcissus                                                
During the last years growers try to perform Narcissus with special treatment of the     bulbs for pot culture.
   People may buy these in spring in bud, and plant them later in the garden.
Here a good example
Narcissus [pot] Attraction                                

Then some new narcissi which are not registered yet, because the names are sometimes not valid, or the name was used before, but maybe not in culture anymore:

Narcissus Sun Gold                      
Narcissus Play Fair                                  
Narcissus New Innovator

and a few tulips:
Tulipa Dimension      
Tulipa Cracker    
Tulipa Holland Queen  
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 09, 2010, 07:25:15 PM
some more narcissi:
Narcissus Brackenhurst                                    
Narcissus Big Gun 1                                   
Narcissus Big Gun 2                                      
Narcissus Trepolo                                        
Narcissus Div. 8 Hugh Town (Matador x Grand Soleil d'Or)                  
Narcissus Div 4 Romanus (syn. Double Roman)                              

and some nice pots with snowdrops:
Galanthus 1                                              
Galanthus 2                                              
Galanthus Anglesey Abbey                                
Galanthus rizehensis                  
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 09, 2010, 07:29:12 PM
wrong button...
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 09, 2010, 07:47:39 PM
Thanks for these lovely pictures Luit. My vote would be for seeing again what we've already seen in previous years. After all, in our gardens the same bulbs appear each year (at least, we HOPE they do :)) and we are always delighted to welcome back old friends as they flower yet again. Besides, each year there are new Forumists who won't have seen what was shown last year.

Is Trepolo a new break? Not sure if I like it or not. :-\
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on February 09, 2010, 08:02:54 PM
Luit, it's just lovely to spend winter days admiring the early flowers at Lisse...and I haven't seen them before so thank you for posting them - there are some very unusual looking Naricssus on show.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: mark smyth on February 09, 2010, 08:43:22 PM
Are the Dutch using micropropogation on snowdrops?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ashley on February 09, 2010, 10:52:42 PM
Thanks Luit.  I enjoy these visits to the Lisse Flowershow very much (though perhaps not the more 'developed' cultivars :P ;D).
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 09, 2010, 11:35:16 PM
Are the Dutch using micropropogation on snowdrops?
Why should they Mark? The woods are full of them ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 09, 2010, 11:36:48 PM

Is Trepolo a new break? Not sure if I like it or not. :-\
Same for me Lesley, but I cannot answer you question.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 10, 2010, 06:48:06 AM
Luit,
please don't hesitate to show us flowers you've shown before! We have short memory spans! ;D
And we really enjoy these visits to your Shows.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 10, 2010, 09:52:40 AM
Thanks in advance for a new series of tours Luit !
As people said before me, we don't mind seeing the same nice things two years in a row, especially now in these gloomy days (we have snow again...  ::) ) every ray of sunshine is welcome !
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on February 10, 2010, 10:57:30 AM
You post 'em Luit, I'll read every one of them. ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on February 10, 2010, 11:13:44 AM
It's no hardship seeing anything again Luit, we just enjoy your postings from Lisse ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 11, 2010, 02:12:11 PM
Thank you all for the kind comments folks.

Quote
It's no hardship seeing anything again
but the naming and resizing of all the pictures IS ... ::) ::)
I will see how much time I can spare  :-\
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on February 12, 2010, 09:00:54 PM
Luit
I think we are a lot that appreciate the work You do to bring the show to us but do not say so that often enough.
It is nice to see the show this year again. The shows are never totally the same so You cover several different plants and You show a big spectrum for rock garden lowers and for mother-in-laws.
I hope You will have time and energy to keep this reports up for an other year.
Great variety and some are maybe more interesting then beautiful but all very nice to distract from the less flowery real world.

Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: JPB on February 14, 2010, 07:25:31 PM
I'm sorry, but I strongly feel that plants like Narcissus Sun Gold are deformed monstruosities and I can't see why people grow them... Or is it just me? Why should we mess with nature's beauty as it is already there?

Hans
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 14, 2010, 07:58:33 PM
At last! Someone who speaks his mind as plainly as - or even more so - than I do! And I agree with you Hans, about this one.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on February 15, 2010, 06:32:10 AM
I also don't like double daffodils as well as double tulips. My favourite group of diffodils is trumpets. But I know many who are very fond of doubles.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: galahad on February 15, 2010, 07:21:31 AM
I'm sorry, but I strongly feel that plants like Narcissus Sun Gold are deformed monstruosities and I can't see why people grow them... Or is it just me? Why should we mess with nature's beauty as it is already there?

Hans

Biting my tongue....
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 15, 2010, 07:47:41 AM
Hans (and Lesley - whose avatar looks alarmingly alterred!)
I think the saying is "to each his own" - I personally like these monsters! They have a lot of impact in the garden and in a vase. But if you don't like them you just don't grow them ;D The problems really start when one member of the household really likes something like this and another hates it! Then you need two separate gardens! ;D
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 15, 2010, 01:18:18 PM

I think the saying is "to each his own" -  But if you don't like them you just don't grow them ;D
cheers
fermi
Right so it is  ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: JPB on February 15, 2010, 02:56:25 PM
[.....The problems really start when one member of the household really likes something like this and another hates it! Then you need two separate gardens! ;D....]

That's why nobody wants to live with me ;D

And of course: "to each his own"!! Still we all do have our preferences....it would be a dull world without it...

Cheers, Hans
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 15, 2010, 07:34:47 PM
(and Lesley - whose avatar looks alarmingly alterred!)
fermi
The result of a dare, to Mark McD, Fermi. Be very afraid! ;D But at least I'm not blue and I don't have a tail. (Oh no, please, no!) You notice too, that our Maggi has had a makeover. :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: galahad on February 16, 2010, 04:20:28 AM
I, of course, look just as I ever have so no need for an avatar makeover  ;D

(and Lesley - whose avatar looks alarmingly alterred!)
fermi
The result of a dare, to Mark McD, Fermi. Be very afraid! ;D But at least I'm not blue and I don't have a tail. (Oh no, please, no!) You notice too, that our Maggi has had a makeover. :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 23, 2010, 08:57:41 PM
In the last two weeks we saw many entries with Narcissus:

Narcissus Willem's Choice                                 
Narcissus All In
Narcissus Ara                                                     
Narcissus Sherwood Forest                                               
N. roodcup                                             
Narcissus Royal Dutch                                             
Narcissus Wisley
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 23, 2010, 08:59:56 PM
Some Tazettas with N. Matador crosses as main interest:
   
Narcissus Matador       
Narcissus Martinette [ Matador x N. jonquilla]
Narcissus Castanets [ Matador x Grand Soleil d'Or]
Narcissus Royal Connection [ Matador x Grand Soleil d'Or]           
Narcissus Bright Spangles [Matador open pollinated 
Narcissus Tuggle Seedling
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 23, 2010, 09:02:11 PM
Not only Narcissus or Tulipa were shown:
 
Group       
Crocus kosaninii April View         
Galanthus atkinsii Mocca's Strain
Galanthus atkinsii Mocca's Strain
Muscari Gul Delight                                               
Tulipa humilis Lilliput                             
Narcissus asturiensis x N. Candlepower   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 23, 2010, 09:04:43 PM
Some tulips:

Tulipa Quirin                                                       
Tulipa Remarkable                                                           
Tulipa Lornah                                                             
Tulipa Royal Love                                                     
Tulipa 1                                                                 
Tulipa 2   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 23, 2010, 09:07:15 PM
and in the last batch some narcissi again:                                               

Narcissus gr                                             
Narcissus Manly                   
Narcissus Trena                                                           
Narcissus T.L. 2                                                             
Narcissus India                                           
Narcissus Ipi Tombi                                                 
Narcissus Lancaster
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on February 23, 2010, 09:16:16 PM
As usual Luit lovely pics and thank you for taking the time to keep the series going.

Lots of lovely stuff but I have to say that my favourite was the Narcissus asturiensis x N. 'Candlepower'

Just a query here. I like the look of N. 'Lancaster' since my mum was born in Lancaster and I did a bit of research. According to Daffseek a plant in that name was registered by a Northern Ireland grower in 1977 and it doesn't look a bit like the plant in the Show. What do you think?

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Lancaster&lastpage=1&which=hist1
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 23, 2010, 09:52:53 PM
The Muscari 'Gul Delight' is really, well, delightful. :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on February 23, 2010, 10:35:31 PM
Luit,
lovely flowers from the center of Dutch bulb breeders.
Thank you for giving us an smack of imminent spring ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: art600 on February 23, 2010, 10:56:27 PM
Thanks Luit

I like all the 'Matador' crosses and Lancaster
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on February 24, 2010, 10:42:33 AM
As usual Luit lovely pics and thank you for taking the time to keep the series going.

Lots of lovely stuff but I have to say that my favourite was the Narcissus asturiensis x N. 'Candlepower'

Just a query here. I like the look of N. 'Lancaster' since my mum was born in Lancaster and I did a bit of research. According to Daffseek a plant in that name was registered by a Northern Ireland grower in 1977 and it doesn't look a bit like the plant in the Show. What do you think?

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Lancaster&lastpage=1&which=hist1

I see what you mean, David. The daffseek description of "with a faint flush of orange at rim " doesn't seem to do this one justice. I like the pink muscari too.
Many thanks, Luit for bringing us these lovely show reports.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Thomas Huber on February 24, 2010, 10:52:12 AM
Luit, thanks for the photo of Crocus kosaninii 'April View'.  (see Reply #26 on: February 23, 2010, page 2)
I have heard of it but never seen a photo or plant.
Do you know more of its origin?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on February 24, 2010, 10:59:50 AM
Not only Narcissus or Tulipa were shown:
 
Group       
Crocus kosaninii April View         
Galanthus atkinsii Mocca's Strain
Galanthus atkinsii Mocca's Strain
Muscari Gul Delight                                               
Tulipa humilis Lilliput                             
Narcissus asturiensis x N. Candlepower   

A really lovely selection here Luit.  Thanks so much for posting these wonderful images of Spring  :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 24, 2010, 07:43:19 PM

Just a query here. I like the look of N. 'Lancaster' since my mum was born in Lancaster and I did a bit of research. According to Daffseek a plant in that name was registered by a Northern Ireland grower in 1977 and it doesn't look a bit like the plant in the Show. What do you think?

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Lancaster&lastpage=1&which=hist1

David, I have no reason to doubt as the (very capable!) Narcissus Committee did not complain either.
I found a picture of the show in April last year and on this picture is the cup not so much orange.
The light of the moment seems to be of influence inside?
Here are both of pics N. Lancaster made with the same camera and the flowers are from the same exhibitor:

Lancaster Februari 2010
Lancaster April 2009
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 24, 2010, 07:45:22 PM
Luit, thanks for the photo of Crocus kosaninii 'April View'.  (see Reply #26 on: February 23, 2010, page 2)
I have heard of it but never seen a photo or plant.
Do you know more of its origin?

Thomas, April View is registered in 2008 by Wim de Goede.

http://kavb.back2p.soft-orange.com/kavb/kavbSG.nsf/0/588b5c8a482f1877c2256a6c003455f5?OpenDocument&TableRow=1.1.0#1.1.
 (http://kavb.back2p.soft-orange.com/kavb/kavbSG.nsf/0/588b5c8a482f1877c2256a6c003455f5?OpenDocument&TableRow=1.1.0#1.1.)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on February 24, 2010, 07:52:03 PM

Just a query here. I like the look of N. 'Lancaster' since my mum was born in Lancaster and I did a bit of research. According to Daffseek a plant in that name was registered by a Northern Ireland grower in 1977 and it doesn't look a bit like the plant in the Show. What do you think?

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Lancaster&lastpage=1&which=hist1

David, I have no reason to doubt as the (very capable!) Narcissus Committee did not complain either.
I found a picture of the show in April last year and on this picture is the cup not so much orange.
The light of the moment seems to be of influence inside?
Here are both of pics N. Lancaster made with the same camera and the flowers are from the same exhibitionist:

Lancaster Februari 2010
Lancaster April 2009


Many thanks Luit, I see what you mean the light does make a difference.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ashley on February 24, 2010, 08:06:16 PM
Thanks again Luit.  Of the tazettas Martinette stands out for me.

I wonder is this Muscari 'Gul Delight' the same as the M. armeniacum collected by Bob & Rannveig Wallis (90-50) and named 'Gul'?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 24, 2010, 09:19:31 PM
Thanks again Luit.  Of the tazettas Martinette stands out for me.

I wonder is this Muscari 'Gul Delight' the same as the M. armeniacum collected by Bob & Rannveig Wallis (90-50) and named 'Gul'?
Ashley, I presume it might be so. Gul was the proposed name but as "gül" is only a name for "pink" in Turkish it is not allowed in nomenclature. Therefore Gul Delight.

Do you have it?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ashley on February 25, 2010, 09:43:29 AM
Thanks Luit.  Googling suggests that 'Gul Delight' is a registered/protected name. 
Yes I have some plants ex the Wallis collection via JJA, due to flower shortly.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Thomas Huber on February 25, 2010, 12:43:27 PM

Thomas, April View is registered in 2008 by Wim de Goede.

http://kavb.back2p.soft-orange.com/kavb/kavbSG.nsf/0/588b5c8a482f1877c2256a6c003455f5?OpenDocument&TableRow=1.1.0#1.1.
 (http://kavb.back2p.soft-orange.com/kavb/kavbSG.nsf/0/588b5c8a482f1877c2256a6c003455f5?OpenDocument&TableRow=1.1.0#1.1.)

Thanks, Luit - surely something to look for next summer.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Wim de Goede on March 08, 2010, 07:20:24 PM
Hello Asley,

 You asked about Muscari Gul Delight, I am the one who registered it, you see I got from Rannveigh one pot of seedlings and selected out what I thought it was the best and put it in tissue culture and grew that on with scaling, so my form is uniform.
Muscari Gul from Bob and Rannveigh they grow it from seed so there is some variation in their forms, and because their form already got some awards Rannveigh like to use the the name Gul in it, so we deside the name M. Gul Delight.
I hope you satisfied with my explanation , otherwise please ask me

Wim de Goede
 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on March 08, 2010, 07:35:01 PM
Welcome Wim to the best forum! :D

Thanks for your comments for "Gul Delight". An unusual color.

I understood you have also registered C. kosanini "April View".
Can you post us a photo to show us the real characteristics?
Thank you in advance.

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Wim de Goede on March 09, 2010, 07:01:52 PM
Dear Armin,

I am happy to show you a photo from C kosaninnii April View:
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on March 09, 2010, 08:40:34 PM
Wim, thank you very much.

It is a beautiful form of C. kosaninii. I like the yellow/brown base and the light stripes outside.

The description in KAVB says it has a yellow center inside the flower, right?
And the flower diameter is 70mm. Quite large for this species.
Is it a breeding cross with another species or a selection from your nursery?

There is not so much information available yet. And I'm (and others) are intrigued.
Would be pleased if you could give us some background info.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: mark smyth on March 09, 2010, 10:06:32 PM
For me this Crocus flowers in March
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 10, 2010, 10:12:01 AM
Some pictures of week 9 & 10

Again some crosses of Narcissus Matador with N. jonquilla:
                   
Narcissus Matador [?] Admiration open pollinated               
Narcissus Sparkling Tarts (Matador x N. jonquilla)
Narcissus Mike Pollock (Matador x N. jonquilla)               
Narcissus Explosion (Matador x N. jonquilla) 
Narcissus Dan du Plessis(Matador x N. jonquilla)                       
Narcissus Falconet (Matador x N. jonquilla)                         
Narcissus Acapulco (Matador x N. jonquilla)     
Narcissus Hoopoe (Matador x N. jonquilla)
Narcissus Motmot (Matador x N. jonquilla)     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 10, 2010, 10:14:53 AM
show hall
Galanthus Brenda Troyle 
Scilla Indra     
Crocus korolkowii Kiss of Spring                                     
Fritillaria aurea Robust Form
Colchicum luteum x kesselringii Jeanne 
Narcissus Scilly White
Hyacinthus Fresco                                                 
Hyacinthus Fresco cl
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on March 10, 2010, 10:15:29 AM
Luit,
all N. crosses are lovely. Which is your favourite?

Hyacinthus Fresco is particular nice and different.
It has less flowers but large ones.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 10, 2010, 10:19:03 AM
Hyacinthus group
Hyacinthus Baby Blue                                        
Hyacinthus Prince of Holland                                      
Hyacinthus Blue Trophy                                              
Hyacinthus Midnight Mystique
Hyacinthus Blue Jacket                                            
Hyacinthus Hollyhock                                                  
Hyacinthus Manhattan
Tulipa XFactor
Tulips  
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 10, 2010, 10:22:29 AM
Hyacinthus Jan Bos                                               
Hyacinthus Discovery                                                 
Hyacinthus Woodstock
Hyacinthus group (2)
Hippeastrum Pink Rascal                                           
Hippeastrum 4                                                     
Hippeastrum Red Rascal                                             
Hippeastrum 2                               
Hippeastrum 5   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 10, 2010, 10:24:58 AM
Luit,
all N. crosses are lovely. Which is your favourite?

Hyacinthus Fresco is particular nice and different.
It has less flowers but large ones.
All, particularly for their good perfume. :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on March 10, 2010, 10:28:25 AM
Luit,
I can imagine the sweet narcotic smell from all that beautiful Narcissus and Hyacinths. ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on March 10, 2010, 11:10:07 AM
Yes, I agree with Armin, must be a knockout perfume with both together!

Narcissus Scilly White
Hyacinthus Fresco

Both my favourites and...

Scilla Indra
Crocus korolkowii Kiss of Spring

plus......

Hyacinthus Discovery and some of the magenta Hyacinthus are amazing...

Altogether a wonderful show, Luit, and the show hall looks incredible - thanks so much  :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on March 10, 2010, 07:22:46 PM
Lovely stuff Luit. Some odd old names in the first section, how do they think of them?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 10, 2010, 08:22:32 PM
I may be ungrateful or cynical or something but I really can't see the merit in naming so many seedlings from the same cross when all are just about identical. Maybe there are differences not visible in images but even so, to me it seems like a case of "if you've seen one, you've seen them all." ???
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on March 10, 2010, 08:28:09 PM
Are any of the Hippeastrums scented?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ashley on March 10, 2010, 08:39:07 PM
I agree that the Narcissus crosses all look rather similar from the pictures but like them anyway. 
Yes hyacinth 'Fresco' is strikingly different, and I really like the deep colours of 'Baby Blue' & 'Midnight Mystique'. 
Nice to see more gracile hippeastrums being developed.
Thanks Luit.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ashley on March 10, 2010, 08:48:08 PM
Hello Asley,

You asked about Muscari Gul Delight, I am the one who registered it, you see I got from Rannveigh one pot of seedlings and selected out what I thought it was the best and put it in tissue culture and grew that on with scaling, so my form is uniform.
Muscari Gul from Bob and Rannveigh they grow it from seed so there is some variation in their forms, and because their form already got some awards Rannveigh like to use the the name Gul in it, so we deside the name M. Gul Delight.
I hope you satisfied with my explanation , otherwise please ask me

Wim de Goede

Thank you Wim; it's fascinating to learn more about this.  So 'Gul Delight' is a registered name, but can PBR protection be obtained for a selection such as this rather than the product of a selective & defined breeding programme?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Joakim B on March 10, 2010, 09:28:15 PM
Nice color of the dark blue hyacinths but I would not call dark blue "baby blue". To me that colour is lightblue rather than dark blue. Might differ in different countries. I bet the hyacinths did smell strong (nice) as well. These are actually the first spring plants for me in Portugal.

Luit great set of pictures again. Great thanks
Joakim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 10, 2010, 10:58:34 PM
Robin, in the hall the temps are kept at 15 C, so the smell in there is not so strong.. ;)

David, I believe many of those Narcissus are bred in English speaking countries, so I have no idea.
Maybe you have a look at Daffseek, where you can see who named them. I don't have the time for that at the moment.

Lesley, I made the same question here and I was told that all these varieties are from different breeders. But I agree that so many
look a likes don't make sense, though the grower told me that on the field there are different heights and different times of flowering.
BTW, they were shown by our famous Collector.

Maggi, I was too busy making pictures, so did not put my nose in.  ;D  But I don't think they smell strong.

The Hyacinthus Fresco was for me very outstanding too, but the bulb traders don't see it as something good.
Hyacinths are mostly grown to force them in winter for cutting or for selling on pots.
Us plant lovers don't count for them, I'm afraid. They think in "millions"  ;D ;D    :-X

Nice color of the dark blue hyacinths but I would not call dark blue "baby blue". To me that colour is lightblue rather than dark blue.
Joakim
Joakim, I agree, but the Baby part is because this variety is very short. But I was thinking the same as you about Baby Blue.


Thank you all for your comments
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 24, 2010, 06:59:40 AM
Some more pictures of the show.
Last week I only made a few pictures:
Hall 1
Crocus etc.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 24, 2010, 07:02:12 AM
This week's Monday, when entering the hall there was a real color spectacle
+ the scent of hyacinths in very good quality:

Hyacinths
Tulips     
Hall 2
Fun with Hyacinths - Crossing results
Smaller bulbs 1
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 24, 2010, 07:04:52 AM
Smaller bulbs 2
Scilla mischtschenkoana 1                             
Scilla mischtschenkoana 2 
Scilla mischtschenkoana Zwanenburg 1                     
Scilla mischtschenkoana Zwanenburg 2 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 24, 2010, 07:06:45 AM
Smaller bulbs 3 
Iris reticulata Ida                                     
Crocus chrysanthus E.P. Bowles                         
Cyclamen persicum N. Israel Form                                             
Smaller bulbs 4       
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 24, 2010, 07:07:59 AM
and finally a few for the tulip lovers  ;)                   
                       
Tulipa Arabian Mystery                                   
Tulipa Fostery King   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on March 24, 2010, 09:45:13 AM
Excellent report as usual Luit, Many thanks, it gives us something to aspire to!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on March 24, 2010, 04:20:43 PM
Thanks for showing so many interesting bulbs Luit at the Lisse Flowershow - the Scilla are lovely and Iris reticulata Ida could be just what I'm looking for  :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gail on March 24, 2010, 04:56:59 PM
All lovely Luit, thank you so much for posting.  I'm particularly drawn to the iris but wouldn't say no to a bouquet of tulips!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 24, 2010, 07:26:37 PM
They are, as always Luit, quite magnificent. I doubt if we've ever seen such a colourful display. So many varieties and such gorgeous colour of all kinds.

I Haven't especially noticed before but it is evident in this series, how attractively the whole hall is set up with oval benches which I assume are moveable? and the long, curved, stepped bench as well. So much more interesting than long, straight tables. The possibilities for attractive arrangements are huge.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on March 24, 2010, 10:39:27 PM
It must smell wonderful in that room.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 25, 2010, 03:16:24 AM
Luit,
Fabulous as ever!
I know they aren't to everyone's tastes, but the Parrot Tulip "Arabian Mystery" looks very exciting!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 26, 2010, 09:54:05 AM
Thanks all for the kind replies. I’m glad you still like my reports :D :D

Lesley, the interior of the hall is indeed very practical because the benches are movable.
The bad thing for photographers in this hall is that the windows are on the south side. The benches placed near the windows are extremely difficult due to back lighting. When the sun shines the blinds close automatically because the temps raise to much. Many flowers stay all week in this hall, because it’s a bulb trade center and traders have the possibility to come on other times to see what is new etc.

Anne, the hall is kept at 16 C., so there is not so much scent as you might expect.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: mark smyth on March 26, 2010, 10:26:31 AM
Is the show open to all people or only growers?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 27, 2010, 08:43:44 PM
Well considering the photographic difficulties Luit, you do a superb job. We would never guess from your images that the lighting was a problem for picture takers. :D

I meant to say before, that your Saponaria seed, and Luc's, is on its way. Shouldn't be long.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 27, 2010, 10:49:51 PM
Is the show open to all people or only growers?
Mark, as it is a Trade Center, it is open to growers and traders, but very interested people will probably not shown out.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 27, 2010, 10:52:57 PM
Well considering the photographic difficulties Luit, you do a superb job. We would never guess from your images that the lighting was a problem for picture takers. :D

Thanks for the compliment Lesley!

Quote
I meant to say before, that your Saponaria seed, and Luc's, is on its way. Shouldn't be long.

That's really very good news! :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 31, 2010, 10:03:42 AM
Very interesting this Monday were some sports of Irises

                     
Iris - Sport of I. Katherine Hodgkin                     
Iris - Sport of I. Sheila Ann Germaney         

and the other entries:

Iris White Caucasus                               
Narcissus Braga                                 
Narcissus dubius
Iris ret. Clairette                                   
Iris ret. Gordon                                       
Iris ret. Spring Time                                     
Arum creticum                               
Tulipa kaufm. Pink Dwarf   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 31, 2010, 10:05:22 AM
Ypsilandra thibetica                                   
Corydalis G.P. Baker             
Veltheimia bracteata

And finally the Committee Special Bulbs at work.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on March 31, 2010, 11:45:52 AM
Luit, the timing could't be better, I am trying to find other Reticulata iris to go with those i planted last year and the 'sports of' you show in your super photos are just the sort of thing to extend a flowing river of them down my rockery! They have been magnets to the first bees and butterflies and the Katherine Hodgkin have even survived two lots of snow as they came out. 

Thanks for the inspiration from Lisse and I just wondered why...
Quote
... finally the Committee Special Bulbs at work.
there are no women present? :o
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Otto Fauser on March 31, 2010, 01:36:18 PM
Luit , such beautyful sports of Iris 'Katherine Hodgkin' and 'Sheila Ann Germaney' , I prefer these new colours to the original hybrids . Is I. 'White Caucasus ' a white form of I. reticulata or a hybrid ?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on March 31, 2010, 03:57:28 PM
Great to see those sports Luit, hopefully we can all get our hands on them before too long ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: mark smyth on March 31, 2010, 04:24:25 PM
Sport of Sheila Ann Germany is very good looking. Is it possible an open pollinated seed grow in a group of Sheila Ann?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 31, 2010, 06:52:19 PM

Quote
... finally the Committee Special Bulbs at work.
there are no women present? :o

Oops, never thought about that.. ??? ??? ??? JOKE   ;D
Robin, there is a female member too, but living rather far away.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 31, 2010, 06:55:33 PM
Luit , such beautyful sports of Iris 'Katherine Hodgkin' and 'Sheila Ann Germaney' , I prefer these new colours to the original hybrids . Is I. 'White Caucasus ' a white form of I. reticulata or a hybrid ?
Otto, on this page you find the story about White Caucasus (and many more Irises)

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5164.30 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5164.30)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 31, 2010, 08:36:12 PM
Those sports are definitely GOOD sports  :D but then, in my book all irises are good irises. I wonder how often such sports occur on reticulata irises? We have seen several on various vars here, from time to time. Never any in my garden at least. Perhaps one needs to be growing the 1,000s or 1,000,000s for them to occur spontaneously.

That committee looks extremely like the groups of judges round any AGS or SRGC show bench. ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 31, 2010, 10:58:53 PM
That committee looks extremely like the groups of judges round any AGS or SRGC show bench. ;D
;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 14, 2010, 06:56:41 PM
Some pictures of my choice in the last two weeks.
                 
Muscari heldreichii
Muscari azureum var. amphibolis
Hyacinthella pallens
Scilla siberica var taurica
Tulipa Mickey Crispy

Some weeks ago I showed a crate with Hyacinths, titled "Fun with Hyacinths"
This week the breeder was showing some examples again.
The first double one is a very old cultivar, which is much used in his breeding programm.

Hyacinthus 1
Hyacinthus 2
Hyacinthus 3
Hyacinthus 4
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 14, 2010, 06:59:50 PM
Since some years a breeder is developing Fritillaria which can be used in the
cutflower industry. One of the major aims is getting flowers which don't have
the unpleasant scent, which is known in the F. imperialis group.
Here are some named new cultivars (not yet registered) where F. raddeana and
F. inodorum are used.
               
Fritillaria
Fritillaria Grieg
Fritillaria Chopin
Fritillaria Bach
Fritillaria Vivaldi

and a few more pictures of other entries.

Narcissus   
Narcissus Stocken
Narcissus Stocken 2
Fritillaria reuteri 1
Fritillaria reuteri 2
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on April 14, 2010, 07:44:01 PM
Thanks for more delights from Lisse - great choice Luit  :)

My favourite choice is with the blues:

Muscari heldreichii
Muscari azureum var. amphibolis
Hyacinthella pallens
Scilla siberica var taurica

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 14, 2010, 10:40:40 PM
The blues are all beautiful. Pleased to see someone has a nice taste in music. :D

What is Fritiillaria inodorum? Obviously scentless, but where does it originate? An imperialis form with no smell?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 14, 2010, 10:47:57 PM
Going back briefly to the sports of II. KH and SAG, a sport is a spontaneous growth of different shape, colour or whatever, on the original plant. Not a seedling. In the case of reticulate irises, how could a sport happen, except, perhaps as one of the numerous rice grain babies which form around the base of these plants, in particular, KH, SAG, histriodes 'Major' and winogradowii. Can you find out some information about this please Luit, from one of the luminaries at the weekly Show?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 14, 2010, 10:58:35 PM
The blues are all beautiful. Pleased to see someone has a nice taste in music. :D

What is Fritiillaria inodorum? Obviously scentless, but where does it originate? An imperialis form with no smell?
Sorry for that Lesley. I was just typing in some sort of hurry and not thinking  :-[. I should have typed F. imperialis Inodorum.
A scentless cultivar.

Going back briefly to the sports of II. KH and SAG, a sport is a spontaneous growth of different shape, colour or whatever, on the original plant. Not a seedling. In the case of reticulate irises, how could a sport happen, except, perhaps as one of the numerous rice grain babies which form around the base of these plants, in particular, KH, SAG, histriodes 'Major' and winogradowii. Can you find out some information about this please Luit, from one of the luminaries at the weekly Show?
Could you please explain what you mean with " II. KH and SAG" Lesley?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 15, 2010, 06:09:29 AM
Sorry Luit, I was just being lazy. I meant Irises 'Katharine Hodgkin' and 'Sheila Ann Germaney', referring to the pictures you showed in a recent post, of sports of these two hybrids. (Reply #79)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on April 15, 2010, 06:49:59 PM
Luit,
wonderful and impressive photos!!! I am especilly impressed with fritillaria imperialis new cultivars. Hope that in future the breeder will be able also to create varieties with upfacing blooms.

Lesley,
I would also like to add that sports are not only spontaneous growths of different shape, colour or forms; they also can be obtained under the unfluence of different artificial factos as growth stimulators, chemicals, x-rays, ets. Many new sports are obtained this way, especially those with odd-ball shapes.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 15, 2010, 09:52:56 PM
Ah yes, Zhirair, I had forgotten about that but then I don't really approve of meddling with plants in this way. Perhaps a silly predjudice but.....
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on April 15, 2010, 10:08:57 PM
Quote
Hope that in future the breeder will be able also to create varieties with upfacing blooms.
But, Zhirair, would that not be a Tulipa ?  ;D ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 15, 2010, 10:41:53 PM
Sorry Luit, I was just being lazy. I meant Irises 'Katharine Hodgkin' and 'Sheila Ann Germaney', referring to the pictures you showed in a recent post, of sports of these two hybrids. (Reply #79)
Lesley, I think there is a difference in sports on plants and bulbs.
We call it a sport or mutations in bulbs and they arise spontaneous.
You can grow a tulip cultivar en masse for many years and then suddenly
you may find a different color in a field which is no seedling.
Spontaneous seedling are not possible because the flowers are cut off to let the bulbs grow bigger.
And bulbs are only cultivated for one season every year.
Here I show you as an example Tulipa Prinses Irene which is a sport of the ancient Tulipa Couleur Cardinal from 1845 and still in culture!
At the moment there are 7 sports of T. Couleur Cardinal registered.
T. Prinses Irene was registered in 1949 and now there are 11 sports of this tulip registered.

When you look at plants or shrubs you may suddenly find for instance on Helianthemum one
shoot with variegated leaves or double flowers or even another flower color. When you propagate this shoot you have a new cultivar.

Just read Zhirair ‘s comment but I already had written my comment so leave it here

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 16, 2010, 12:08:12 AM
So you are saying Luit that with the little irises, the sport may be a side growth rather than from the rice grain growths. It would just about have to be one part of a split bulb as Iris reticulata vars don't produce side bulbs as, for instance, a daffodil does. They just break into two or three or more (danfordiae). I mean that the new, "side" bulbs are always separate, right to the base. Or so it seems to me.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: rob krejzl on April 16, 2010, 05:02:21 AM
Quote
In the case of reticulate irises, how could a sport happen, except, perhaps as one of the numerous rice grain babies which form around the base of these plants

Quote
I mean that the new, "side" bulbs are always separate, right to the base


Any meristem tissue can mutate, whether it's the tissue that gives rise to rice grains or that which produces a daughter bulb.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on April 16, 2010, 05:53:23 PM
Quote
Hope that in future the breeder will be able also to create varieties with upfacing blooms.
But, Zhirair, would that not be a Tulipa ?  ;D ::)

Very good said Maggi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) They will really resemble tulips.

Anyway, I think that in future it might be possible. Lately the breeders introduced up-facing trumpet lily cultivars and they really look quite good and attractive.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 17, 2010, 06:21:53 AM
So that means (I'm getting there slowly) that only tissue-cultured material mutates or "sports," in the case of irises of the reticulata group?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on April 17, 2010, 08:48:11 AM
The world of colors is so wonderful :o, thank you for the delicious pics Luit. Why I only look for white  flowers >:(???
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Regelian on April 17, 2010, 10:30:30 AM
Lesley,

the meristem is the undifferentiated cell mass that makes-up a growing point in a plant.  These cells are generally used for tissue culture, which was previously was called meritem culture.

In an Iris, for example, the area on the bulb where the 'seed' bulblets form is one meristem tissue area.  As this tissue is essentially undifferentiated, mutations may occur during the initial cell division as it forms a bulblet.  The same thing may happen, and very often does, with tissue culture, as we are using the same cells, but the increase is 100,000 fold, as one is attempting to create plants en masse.  Typically, also, each meristem generation is taken from the previous generation, rather than from the mother plant, which means that mutations are perpetuated and actually fostered by this method.  Smaller mutations may thus continue to change in the next generation.

Other than in garden plants, orchids are renowned for their meristem mutations, which have given us many wonderful houseplants!

Does this help?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 17, 2010, 11:14:43 PM
Yes thank you Jamie, it really does. But I think genetics and related subjects will probably remain a closed book to me. ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 04, 2010, 10:29:46 PM
For yesterday's show was asked for special Muscari entries.
Most impressive (amongst all others) was a new variety with really gleaming flowers

Muscari [gleaming]                           

Muscari gr.   
Muscari cl.                     
Muscari arr.                         
Muscari Artist                               
Muscari Saffier                               
Muscari Fantasy Creation       
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 04, 2010, 10:32:55 PM
A breeder showed some of his newer cultivars again
Tulipa black 1                                 
Tulipa black 2                                   

and a nice formed white one

Tulipa wit   

some more Muscari and some other plants
Muscari Chimcan                             
Muscari Maxabel
Trillium simile                               
Phlox subulata Kelly's Eye                       
Phlox bifida Ralph Haywood                     
Iris Jiansada   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 04, 2010, 10:35:19 PM
Bellevalia romana Green Pearl                   
Bellevalia romana Green Pearl cl                   
Narcissus Sophie Girl                                     
Narcissus Lancaster                               
Tulipa Moulin Rouge                           
Tulipa Hemisphere                             

I finish this series with a nice pot tulips, taken when just brought in
and a picture made one hour later:

Tulipa vvedenskyi 1             
Tulipa vvedenskyi 1a
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on May 04, 2010, 10:45:47 PM
Well!  8) You were not joking about the "gleaming".... they look like shiny Lapis Lazuli beads on the Muscari! The Bellevalia 'Green Pearl ' is very nice too.... so many lovely things to see and to enjoy the perfect presentation. It is hard to beat the impact of a large bowl of open red tulips, is it not?  So pretty.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gail on May 05, 2010, 04:09:28 AM
What a fantastic display! The muscari are incredible displayed like that.  Thank you so much for the pictures Luit.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 05, 2010, 04:40:45 AM
Lovely things Luit and the person who arranges them all is a real artist. The Muscaris are works of art I think.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on May 15, 2010, 06:32:48 PM
Wow, the Muscari arrangements are fabulous Luit - I like the idea of using Hosta leaves to envelop them - altogether glorious shapes and colours with the tulips too and I love Bellevalia romana Green Pearl
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ashley on May 16, 2010, 10:05:58 AM
Wonderful all  :o 

Luit, is it possible that 'Green Pearl' is not B. romana but something else (a muscari)? 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Roma on May 16, 2010, 09:38:19 PM
I had 'Green Pearl' from Blom's nursery last year.  I think it was labelled Bellevalia pycnantha 'Green Pearl'.  Not all were green, some were ordinary pycnantha.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ChrisB on May 16, 2010, 10:06:03 PM
Great photos Luit.  I love muscari, so was most interested to see what was there.  I grow M. 'Saffier' and its interesting to see that the flowers stay green.  Last year I spent a lot of time trying to get them to mature to blue, which of course didn't happen.  Now I know what to expect from them!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 16, 2010, 10:20:54 PM
I am glad you all liked the Muscari pictures. It was a real impressive show.
When I am at the show, I just make pictures as good as possible and just look what I find of interest and not if the names are correct.
The Bellevalia Green Pearl is officially registered as a sport of B. pycnantha. Hence the name "romana" was wrong.
Will make a note for tomorrow, when the Committee meets again.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ashley on May 16, 2010, 10:40:57 PM
Thanks Roma and Luit. 
I didn't think of that, but Luit's close-up shows the distinctive flower shape of B. pycnantha very clearly.  An interesting sport.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on May 17, 2010, 08:02:17 AM
I had 'Green Pearl' from Blom's nursery last year.  I think it was labelled Bellevalia pycnantha 'Green Pearl'.  
There's another thing I'll need to suggest to Marcus to try to import! ;D
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Afloden on May 18, 2010, 01:48:04 PM
The Muscari are fabulous. The Bellevalia looks like pycnantha with the broad leaves and closely spaced flowers. Romana has long narrow leaves and widely spaced outward facing flowers with blue/purple anthers. Sadly, those in the picture have the signs of virus - twisted streaky leaves.

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on May 19, 2010, 03:13:59 AM
The Muscari are fabulous. The Bellevalia looks like pycnantha with the broad leaves and closely spaced flowers. Romana has long narrow leaves and widely spaced outward facing flowers with blue/purple anthers. Sadly, those in the picture have the signs of virus - twisted streaky leaves.


We'll just have to rely on seed  then. :-\
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 19, 2010, 09:34:14 PM
Are we still talking about the Bellevalia 'Green Pearl' here? I accept that my eyesight may no longer be 20/20 but I really can't see streaky leaves and they don't look especially twisted to me, no more than any bulb produces as it comes through compost. Is it possible that we are getting a little OVER-virus conscience and perhaps seeing it where there is none? But feel free Aaron, to point out where I'm missing something. ???
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 19, 2010, 10:56:59 PM
Are we still talking about the Bellevalia 'Green Pearl' here? I accept that my eyesight may no longer be 20/20 but I really can't see streaky leaves and they don't look especially twisted to me, no more than any bulb produces as it comes through compost. Is it possible that we are getting a little OVER-virus conscience and perhaps seeing it where there is none? But feel free Aaron, to point out where I'm missing something. ???
Lesley, as an "old fashioned gardener"  ??? I agree with you. I do see some virus-like streaks on some leaves, but many plants show these in spring especially after a long cold period like we had here this spring. It's probably just a little stress and then plants often show this.

The suggestion of raising this plant from seed is not relevant I'm afraid , (Sorry for this Fermi!  :-X  ), as it is a sport of a dark blue flower and not likely to give these greenish flowers from seed again.

I get often a bit irritated, about the OVER-virus conscience in this Forum. Especially when an enthusiast grower shows  his/her new, first flowering Crocus or Iris and the only comment is: This plant is virused.
There are better ways to try to explain about and not taking the joy of some plant right away.
In parks there are growing thousands of Crocus or Narcissus having some sort of virus, but they grow and flower in such places many years without doing any harm. And normal people do like them as they are and don't bother about some streaky leaves.

Please, don't understand me wrong. I am against selling deliberately virus-ed plants. And I know many growers here who are inspecting day after day their bulbfields to avoid that customers get ill plants.

Having said this I will go on with my next reply!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 19, 2010, 11:00:40 PM
Because until now I have mostly shown pictures of bulbous plants,
I decided this Monday to make some pictures of perennials, i.e. Hosta.
Hosta were specially invited and there were many good entries with
enormous pots.
Here some different leafs:
   
Hosta Gypsy Rose
Hosta Revolution           
Hosta Risky Business                   
Hosta Frances Williams                       
Hosta Timeless Beauty                       
Hosta Enterprise                           
Hosta Blue Ivory                             
Hosta Hanky Panky
Hosta American Sweetheart               

And for the tulips fans I show a tulip too, because I found it rather special:

Tulipa [Sport of Attila Graffiti]                 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on May 20, 2010, 12:34:47 AM
Wow, Luit!
That tulip has the look of a peony in bud!
Great stuff!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: arilnut on May 20, 2010, 02:35:52 AM
Luit, well said! I agree wholeheartedly.

John B


Lesley, as an "old fashioned gardener"  ??? I agree with you. I do see some virus-like streaks on some leaves, but many plants show these in spring especially after a long cold period like we had here this spring. It's probably just a little stress and then plants often show this.

The suggestion of raising this plant from seed is not relevant I'm afraid , (Sorry for this Fermi!  :-X  ), as it is a sport of a dark blue flower and not likely to give these greenish flowers from seed again.

I get often a bit irritated, about the OVER-virus conscience in this Forum. Especially when an enthusiast grower shows  his/her new, first flowering Crocus or Iris and the only comment is: This plant is virused.
There are better ways to try to explain about and not taking the joy of some plant right away.
In parks there are growing thousands of Crocus or Narcissus having some sort of virus, but they grow and flower in such places many years without doing any harm. And normal people do like them as they are and don't bother about some streaky leaves.

Please, don't understand me wrong. I am against selling deliberately virus-ed plants. And I know many growers here who are inspecting day after day their bulbfields to avoid that customers get ill plants.

Having said this I will go on with my next reply!

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Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on May 20, 2010, 06:06:16 AM
Fine pics of hosta leaves, thank you Luit. Please show us much more! :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on May 20, 2010, 09:08:05 AM
Yes, please do Luit, Hosta Blue Ivory is really lovely and the variations are altogether absorbing to look at - I do like the textures and presentation of the Hosta leaves too, especially the blues.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ChrisB on May 21, 2010, 10:50:19 AM
Love that Hosta 'Blue Ivory' and 'Risky Business.  Must add them to my list of wants....
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 27, 2010, 09:00:33 PM
Some more pictures of Hosta from last week

Hosta Climax                                   
Hosta Earth Angel                               
Hosta Tom Schmid                               
Hosta Sea Thunder                               
Hosta Ann Kulpa
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 27, 2010, 09:03:34 PM
and some pics of this week.
                               
Allium cowanii                               
Babiana tubulosa
Babiana pulchra                                   
Babiana rubrocyanea                             
 
When tulip time is almost over, growers sometimes show flowers which
give some reasons for discussion.
Personally I don't know if anybody is waiting for this. ???

Tulipa La Bizarre                               
Tulipa Evergreen                             
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on May 28, 2010, 03:38:50 AM
                    
When tulip time is almost over, growers sometimes show flowers which
give some reasons for discussion.
Personally I don't know if anybody is waiting for this. ???

Tulipa La Bizarre                               
Tulipa Evergreen                             

Well,  :-\ at least they are appropriately named! ;D
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on May 30, 2010, 09:29:26 PM

When tulip time is almost over, growers sometimes show flowers which
give some reasons for discussion.
Personally I don't know if anybody is waiting for this. ???

Tulipa La Bizarre                               
Tulipa Evergreen                             

Luit,
Thanks for showing the photos of these curious tulips. Personally I am not a lover of odd-ball tulips, but some, which don't lack taste, appeal to me. The example, is tulipa viridiflora 'Omnyacc'.
Relating green tulips, I grow some interesting totally or almost totally green tulips, icluding 'Evergreen' as well. In the garden they can be lost among others if appropriate light background is not provided, but they are perfect indoors in flowers arrangments, besides, last very long. I don't grow 'La Bizarre' so far and was not familliar with this tulip, but would like to grow it very much. It has very interesting anemona-shaped flower, almost green version of tulipa 'Omnyacc'. Though I grow old breeder tulip 'La Bizarre', which is now not in the register, because was lost in Holland.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 02, 2010, 10:47:09 PM
Though I grow old breeder tulip 'La Bizarre', which is now not in the register, because was lost in Holland.
No one does remember this one here, though in the late tulips was a group called "Bizarre", amongst "Rosen" and "Breeder".
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 02, 2010, 10:49:52 PM
Some pictures of plants shown this week:
Narcissus bulbocodium                                       
   I counted six stems per bulb!   
Narcissus plenus
   syn. :Narcissus Albus Plenus Odoratus                               
Hyacinthoides vicentina                                       
Scilla litardierei                                           
Hyacinthoides algeriense                                         
Incarvillea Bees' Pink                                         
Iris [CH] Broadleigh Angela                                     
Rhodohypoxis     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 02, 2010, 10:53:05 PM
Allium karataviense ssp. henrikiii Red Globe               
Allium darwasicum                                           
Lilium Garden Affaire                                           
Lilium Tessa                                                     
a very early Paeonia hybrid:
Paeonia Linda Roos

and the last picture is of some very late double tulips
 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 09, 2010, 10:10:03 AM
This week I noted the following plants at the Show:

Paeonia Command Performance
Thalictrum kiusianum                               
Athyrium Ghostmaster                           
Fallopia japonica var. compacta Sel                   
Allium protensum   

A Camassia performing nice in early spring with variegated leaves:
 
Camassia leichtlinii Alba 'Sacajewa' 1               
Camassia leichtlinii Alba 'Sacajewa' 2   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 09, 2010, 10:12:07 AM
Some Dutch Irises:

Iris holl. Montana 1                                   
Iris holl. Montana cl   
Iris holl 

And a special one with nice marked falls

Iris holl. 1                                     
Iris holl. cl                                       

And finally three pictures of one of the last tulips this season:

Tulipa sprengeri
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on June 09, 2010, 01:28:26 PM
T sprengeri is such a lovely tulip. Thank you for continuing to bring us these, Luit.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 09, 2010, 10:52:32 PM
Some interesting plant there Luit. I really like the Scilla and Hyacinthoides very much. In patches of solid blue like that they are very appealing. :D

I don't know Fallopia at all. It looks as if it is related to Polygonum/Persicaria/Tovaria? like the 'Painter's Palette' which I lost some time ago - too dry. Also looks like a low, shrubby version of the variegated Aktinidia kolomikta. Lost that too, to neighbour's damned cats. I had one good big plant ready to plant out and half a dozen seedlings from which I hoped to get both sexes. The cats unpotted the lot and apparently ate them!  >:( ??? >:(
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Diane Clement on June 09, 2010, 11:08:15 PM
I don't know Fallopia at all.

I'm not sure you want to - Fallopia japonica is Japanese knotweed.  
I don't think it will be on your permitted list Lesley  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 09, 2010, 11:15:10 PM
Thanks for explaining Diane. I was just thinking about how I could translate my thoughts on 'paper'.
You've done it much faster and easier and hit the nail.!  :D
I would never plant it in my place!
BTW the man who showed it has it always in a pot!!!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 09, 2010, 11:34:09 PM
I don't know Fallopia at all.

I'm not sure you want to - Fallopia japonica is Japanese knotweed.  
I don't think it will be on your permitted list Lesley  ;D  ;D  ;D

Well yes, and no.
F. aubertii and F. convolvulus are permitted as seeds (plants, "requires assessment.") but F. japonica and F. sachalinensis are specifically prohibited, both as seed and as plants. But I can look and admire can't I? without actually wanting. ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 08, 2010, 06:12:22 AM
Three weeks ago on the day before I left for a short holiday I made some
pictures at the Show.
There was a great variety of Allium this day, as they were specially asked
for to send in by the growers.
 
Allium unifolium               
Allium unifolium Selection
Allium hyalinum
Allium oreophilum Kuramin's Dwarf       
Allium oreophilum Agalik's Giant               
Allium convallarioides Pink                     
Allium cernuum White Dwarf             
Allium pallasii                           
Allium Seedling
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 08, 2010, 06:15:22 AM
Allium     
Allium stellatum                   
Allium schoenophrasum Mix         
Allium rotundum ssp. jajlae                   
Allium ramosum                           
Allium falcifolium                             
Allium crenulatum                             
Allium crenulatum x falcifolium                             
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 08, 2010, 06:17:50 AM
Allium carolinianum                           
Allium amplectens Sel. wit               
Allium dirixum                           
Allium chloranthum                       
Allium moly
Allium moly Jeannine                     
Allium litvinovii
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 08, 2010, 06:18:37 AM
There were other entries to, just a few pics:
                               
Iris hollandica                             
Pasithea caerulea       
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Onion on July 08, 2010, 10:39:52 AM
Luit,

wonderful  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on July 08, 2010, 01:28:32 PM
Luit,

Just caught up with these 2010 postings..... fantastic pics as always.  Some very, very interesting stuff you show us, as usual.  Thanks heaps. 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on July 08, 2010, 01:35:35 PM
Pasithea? Never heard of this one, can anyone say more about it please?

Good stuff as usual Luit, many thanks.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on July 08, 2010, 01:47:04 PM
David,

It's another of those small flowered Iridaceous types..... apparently lovely true blue flowers, or close to it.  I have seedlings, but not yet to flowering size.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ArnoldT on July 08, 2010, 02:25:15 PM
Have a look.

http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Pasithea
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on July 08, 2010, 07:11:54 PM
Thanks Paul and Arnold.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on July 08, 2010, 11:14:54 PM
Thanks Arnold, I'd always thought it was Iridaceous, not Anthericaceae.  The leaves certainly look like an irid.  You learn something knew every day.  Thanks again.  8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 11, 2010, 10:45:21 PM
I especially like the vase of Allium schoenoprasum. I wish my herb garden chives showed such variation when they flower.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on July 12, 2010, 02:19:54 AM
I especially like the vase of Allium schoenoprasum. I wish my herb garden chives showed such variation when they flower.

Just stumbled upon this thread, glad I took a look with so many fine Alliums being shown.  I agree Lesley, that is one beautiful bouquet of Allium schoenoprasum colors.  I was also pleased to see many choicer alliums, most all correctly named too; like pallasii, chloranthum, litvinovii, a fine form of hyalinum, convallarioides in a light pink form (very nice).  I'd like to know more about the Allium cernuum white dwarf, looks like it could be a hybrid with denser flowers than normal and such a short crooked neck... I get such things in my Allium melting pot here.

Then there are a couple problem ones; there is no name Allium dirixum, most likely a corruption of A. "permixtum", which is a synonym of Allium subhirsutum.  The Allium stellatum isn't... can't be really sure what it is unless bulbs and foliage are seen too, but the flowers are much too upright to be that species, and it doesn't look much like any of the various A. stellatum I grow, many of mine from collected sources.  And, I have my doubts about A. carolinianum too, once again I'd need to see the trademark thick, glaucous, falcate leaves to be sure, but it doesn't look right to me.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on July 12, 2010, 02:25:20 AM
and some pics of this week.
                               
Allium cowanii                               
                        

Please note, that there is no Allium "cowanii", it is an ancient synonym from the 1800s for a form of A. neapolitanum, but the name lives in perpetuity.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 13, 2010, 06:40:19 AM
Here the pictures which I made last week at the Show.
Mostly bulbous plants and a few perennials:

Homeria ochroleuca                               
Homeria aurantiaca                               
Cyrtanthus mackenii 1                                     
Cyrtanthus mackenii 2                               
Cyrtanthus mackenii 3                                 
Muilla Forelock
Triteleia hyacinthina                           
Hymenocallis Sulphur Queen                           
Knautia macedonica Thunder and Lightning
Hermannia stricta                 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerdk on July 13, 2010, 08:08:35 AM
What a fine selection of interesting species - came along Muilla (anagram of Allium) the first time!
Thank you, Luit!

Gerd
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on July 13, 2010, 12:13:44 PM
Wow, Luit.  I love that variegated Knautia.  Great combination.  8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on July 13, 2010, 02:07:41 PM
What a fine selection of interesting species - came along Muilla (anagram of Allium) the first time!
Thank you, Luit!

Gerd

Gerd, I'm afraid you still have to wait to see a Muilla, because that thing shown above is no where close to a Muilla.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on July 13, 2010, 03:08:01 PM
Not familiar with how these shows operate, I need to ask a question.  Is there any sort of vetting of plant names and identities before things are shown?

Harking back to late 2009 when I was involved in a SRGC thread, where forumists complained about the fact misnamed seed gets sent into the seed exchanges, there was sentiment along the lines of: I've paid my yearly membership, by golly I should be able to get my seed without any misidentifications.  My take on this was to explain why it is sometimes, oftentimes, difficult to verify the names of plants unless one has a remarkable library of floras and the most up-to-date scientific taxonomic papers, as well as provide other reasons why misnamed seed makes it into the seedexes. Forumists grew weary of my rationalization about why & how seed donations are sometimes wrong, and asked for the thread to end ::)

Fortunately, Google goes a long way these days to help verify one's plant IDs, but it is not foolproof, as there's tons of misinformation there too..

This thread seems a good illustration on how things get sent into seed exchanges misidentified and the misinformation perpetuated, when misnomers are shown in flower shows, possibly not even to be corrected for the record. I've already indicated some misidentifications above, and now there's a photo labeled with the wrong genus.

There is no such thing as Muilla Forelock ::).  The Western North American genus Muilla (indeed an anagram of Allium) has but 3 species, some of which have gone back and forth between Bloomeria, another small Western North American genus also with 3 species (which I have shown on this forum: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5080.msg157404#msg157404), both members of the Themidaceae.  Muilla are small little plants with whitish flowers, some information and image links:
http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Muilla
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=121293
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?query_src=photos_index&where-taxon=Muilla+transmontana
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?query_src=photos_index&where-taxon=Muilla+coronata
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?query_src=photos_index&where-taxon=Muilla+maritima

So what is this Forelock thing?  Googling based on what this thing looks like (sure looks like an Allium to me), I searched Allium Forelock, and sure enough, it is an Allium, apparently a Dutch named variety without attribution to a species, found in many UK nurseries and at least one nursery here in the USA.  I found one nursery listing (not in English) attributing the species as A. vineale, but I doubt that very much as there does not appear to be any bulbils in the flower head.  The flower head looks much like A. amethystinum.  Anyone know more about the origins and parentage behind "Forelock"?

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 13, 2010, 09:51:06 PM
Luit, a lovely selection as always. I especially like the cream and light orange Cyrtanthus forms. :) And the little Hermannia is very pretty and airy.

I had never heard of Muilla and don't doubt Mark's notes for a moment. The illustrated plant certainly looks very like an Allium. I guess even those whom we would expect to be fully up to speed with naming can also make mistakes. I'm surprised though Mark, that a thread discussing naming on the seedlists was stopped. Usually it's a subject we can all have a right good moan about. :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Diane Clement on July 13, 2010, 11:13:27 PM
I had never heard of Muilla and don't doubt Mark's notes for a moment.

I have, and I've got a pot.  Every year I think I've lost it, but it struggles back to life.  It's never flowered yet, and I live in hope, but from Mark's description I'm not sure I should bother  ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on July 13, 2010, 11:28:53 PM
I had never heard of Muilla and don't doubt Mark's notes for a moment.

I have, and I've got a pot.  Every year I think I've lost it, but it struggles back to life.  It's never flowered yet, and I live in hope, but from Mark's description I'm not sure I should bother  ::)

Diane, click on any of the photo links I gave (1 link for each of the 3 Muilla species), they are cute little "minor bulbs".  The species of closely related Bloomeria are more garden worthy in my opinion, showier, and with bright color flowers.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 14, 2010, 12:07:04 AM
I thought they were very pretty. Perhaps not earth shakers, but worth the effort if they come your way.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 14, 2010, 09:47:08 AM
What a fine selection of interesting species - came along Muilla (anagram of Allium) the first time!
Thank you, Luit!

Gerd
Gerd, although I normally take my job as reporter at this show rather serious, this time I allowed myself a little joke.
Just I'm glad that you found out right away that I used an anagram for this Allium, but you know me longer than just one day ;)
I saw so many leeks last week, it must have been the smell :-\
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 14, 2010, 09:50:18 AM
Luit, a lovely selection as always. I especially like the cream and light orange Cyrtanthus forms. :) And the little Hermannia is very pretty and airy.

I had never heard of Muilla and don't doubt Mark's notes for a moment. The illustrated plant certainly looks very like an Allium. I guess even those whom we would expect to be fully up to speed with naming can also make mistakes. I'm surprised though Mark, that a thread discussing naming on the seedlists was stopped. Usually it's a subject we can all have a right good moan about. :D

Lesley, like you I didn’t realize that a genus Muilla really exists, but thought it a good idea to test if people still look as attentive at my pictures as I do the naming and resizing of them, which is rather a hell of a job when there are many other jobs to do outside in the garden   ::) ::)
The flowers were indeed sent by the grower as Allium Forelock!!!
BTW, I did not want to upset anybody :-X
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 14, 2010, 09:57:00 AM
Being a member of this Forum since 7 years, many forumists will know by now that I always have been one of the proponents of writing plant names properly and always willing to correct a wrong name, when this occasionally happens.
I do have no problems with fair comments!
BUT……. :o :o :o


This thread seems a good illustration on how things get sent into seed exchanges misidentified and the misinformation perpetuated, when misnomers are shown in flower shows, possibly not even to be corrected for the record.


The above quoted lines are for me in such an extent insulting, that I am considering stopping this thread immediately!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on July 14, 2010, 10:07:10 AM
Luit,  please do not take those comments personally.
It is of course deeply distressing for those who work so hard for the Forum to hear such criticisms made but you are not culpable of any wrong doing.


Referring back to other comments:
 
It was the hurt caused by criticism of the Seed Exchanges that resulted requests for  comments to the thread on mis-naming from late last year to be drawn to a close.
We are all anxious that plants are properly named - in so far  as that is possible- (and, let's face it, in some cases that is extremely difficult) but it is also the case that innocent folks working hard to assist in the seed exchanges can be made to feel bad by the complaints, which is quite unfair. While that is surely not the intention of the criticsm, it is a consequence which I regret. Sadly those to whom such criticism is rightfully directed may carry on regardless while others feel blamed.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on July 14, 2010, 10:26:35 AM
Dear Luit,
We love your reports, we adore your images, we appreciate the effort involved, we thank you immensely.  Mark wasn't criticising you or your reports in any way, he was simply addressing an ongoing nomenclature issue from his viewpoint - and, from the amount of images he has posted to forums around the world, Mark understands and appreciates the effort and time that you have spent on our behalves.
Please keep up the excellent work.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on July 14, 2010, 10:26:59 AM
I just made a note to Stephen in another thread which is equally applicable here and in rather a lot of other threads, too........http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5723.msg159572#msg159572

 ....expressing thanks to those who take the time and trouble to contribute  to the forum!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on July 14, 2010, 01:17:34 PM
Dear Luit,
We love your reports, we adore your images, we appreciate the effort involved, we thank you immensely.  Mark wasn't criticising you or your reports in any way, he was simply addressing an ongoing nomenclature issue from his viewpoint - and, from the amount of images he has posted to forums around the world, Mark understands and appreciates the effort and time that you have spent on our behalves.
Please keep up the excellent work.

Luit, I peruse these plant show threads with great interest and admiration, and I do appreciate all forumists involved, from the plant show organizers and the amazingly skilled growers, and in particular, for those such as yourself giving up your valuable time to share so many photos for us forumists to view and enjoy.  Cliff summarized well, that I was taking the opportunity to address issues of nomenclature, how easy it is for the effects of misnamed plants to be amplified as a result of a plant show or other educational public venue. Some plant misidentifications seem uncorrectable; they are so entrenched in horticulture that they can persist and thrive for decades or longer in spite of attempts at setting the record straight (Allium "cowanii" comes to mind, an invalid synonym of A. neapolitanum surviving well over a century).  Just addressed one this morning on the Allium thread, where Allium splendens "var. kurilense" is discussed, that name an invalid non-existent one, yet it thrives in the seed exchanges & specialists nurseries. http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4757.300

So Luit, please continue your posting of plant show reports, they are sincerely appreciated. Please know that any comments made about nomenclature are offered in the interest of clarifying any nomenclatural inaccuracies for the benefit of the grower and any other forumists who might subsequently want to grow said plants; that such discussions are in no way a reflection of the forumist who is diligently and most generously working to post the show results.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: johnw on July 14, 2010, 02:59:38 PM
Luit - For me  - and I am sure I speak for other forumists as well - the Lisse Show is the most consistently uplifting and informative thread on the Forum along with the Ian's Bulb Log.  Everything at Lisse is so beautifully displayed and the venue one of the best I have seen - so bright and cheery even on the worst winter days, one would think a cloud never passed through Dutch skies.  Continue on my friend we appreciate your hard work and dedication to produce this remarkable tonic for our seasonal blues.

johnw
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 14, 2010, 03:35:58 PM
Luit, your Weekly Lisse Flowershow is a wonderful Thread always full of delights and surprises in that curvaceous setting!  It is a window into the world of superbly grown specimens and I look forward to each one for your photography and comment - your guided tours are full of interest, detail and humour not to be missed so please continue to report on this great event.  :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 14, 2010, 10:24:39 PM
I absolutely agree with John, Robin and the others who love this thread and would be very sad to see it close. Every time I look at it I think of you Luit, taking so much time with the pictures themselves at the shows then all the processing to get them ready for the Forum and for our pleasure. I've seen many plants here that are new to me and I wouldn't see in any other circumstances.

As to criticisms, don't let them bother you. I've been on the receiving end too but in general, they're meant in the spirit of learning and accuracy and in any case, I'd defend to the end, anyone who is happy to make a wee joke. What is the world coming to if we can't laugh a little bit?

And if you are seeing too many leeks, try them with potatoes and chicken stock, salt and plenty pepper, to make a very good soup! :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 15, 2010, 09:34:55 AM
Dear friends
what can I say, I am really overwhelmed by your reactions, either here or by mail or PM.
As I said before, I have no problems with criticism, but it was this time more the way Mark was taking opportunities to address issues of nomenclature, that I got the feeling he is pointing his finger right on me in his comments and therefore I used the word ‘aggressive’.

I read his words as if he was giving ME an order to tell the KAVB Committees right away that they are not doing there work properly.
I mentioned several times what kind of shows these are at Lisse and how it works. I am not responsible for wrong names of shown plants or flowers. I picture the flowers and the names always separately and just put them to the plant picture. Often I find out a week or so after showing my pictures, that a wrong name was corrected later by the Nomenclature Committee!
If there are problems about naming or different meanings about nomenclature, everybody is free to send comments to the KAVB directly.
I am sure these posts will land somehow in some Committee and be discussed.

Mark, having been a self-employed nurseryman the most years of my life, I DO HATE taking orders from others, so I would more likely prefer to read a bit more gently words, like : I don’t think this plant has the right name, because …. etc.

I think when mentioning here nursery-man(-women), they are all kind of a special breed. Rather stubborn and going straight forward, often struggling for their existence caused by unexpected circumstances.
In this forum there are a few of them (NO, no names :)) active too and when I read their comments it’s like looking into a mirror. It’s just that I, using English as a 2nd or 3rd language I often cannot express myself like I would do in my own language.

I will make it short.
Lesley’s sentence : As to criticisms, don't let them bother you,  is perhaps a good expression and I will use it here.
Now back to work and later some pictures again!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 15, 2010, 02:55:31 PM
This time I start with a puzzle for you.
Do you know what flower stems these are?
puzzle

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 15, 2010, 02:58:53 PM
and some flowers from this week:

Agapanthus Blue Mystery                     
Agapanthus Savile Blue - Name uncertain       
Allium giganteum                           
Allium Twinkling Stars       
Gladiolus nanus Nymph                           
Gladiolus nanus The Bride                               
Ixia Eos                                             
Gladiolus (small-flowered) 

more to come       
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on July 15, 2010, 03:02:19 PM
This time I start with a puzzle for you.
Do you know what flower stems these are?
puzzle



 Strelitzia?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on July 15, 2010, 03:06:10 PM
This time I start with a puzzle for you.
Do you know what flower stems these are?
puzzle



Allium fistulosum or A. pskemense?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: arisaema on July 15, 2010, 03:09:34 PM
This time I start with a puzzle for you.
Do you know what flower stems these are?

Must be some sort of Allium, but the only one I know the name of with stems like that is A. vavilovii?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on July 15, 2010, 03:13:41 PM
This time I start with a puzzle for you.
Do you know what flower stems these are?

Must be some sort of Allium, but the only one I know the name of with stems like that is A. vavilovii?

Arisaema, I think we're on the right track, there are only a few Allium species with the hollow fatter-in-the-middle type of stems, so these are good guesses, but seeing the flowers would make the puzzle easier ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: angie on July 15, 2010, 03:21:35 PM
This time I start with a puzzle for you.
Do you know what flower stems these are?
puzzle



No idea, but that's nothing unusual I am hopless ::)

Angie :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Michael J Campbell on July 15, 2010, 03:26:15 PM
The stems of Zamioculcas leaves?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on July 15, 2010, 03:30:09 PM
The stems of Zamioculcas leaves?
Oh, never thought of those....... cunning idea, Michael!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on July 15, 2010, 03:34:07 PM
The stems of Zamioculcas leaves?
Oh, never thought of those....... cunning idea, Michael!

I never heard of Zamioculcas!  Haven't checked other species, this one has inflated stems, but not "fatter-in-the-middle" type:
http://bp2.blogger.com/_eaKbvlcIK10/SHDVOuNiLlI/AAAAAAAACBA/nVbEV8xi0Jo/s1600-h/zamioculcas+zamiifolia+tubers+%28own%29.jpg
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: angie on July 15, 2010, 03:52:19 PM
Could it be some kind of Galtonia?

Angie :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on July 15, 2010, 03:56:08 PM
Must be some sort of Allium, but the only one I know the name of with stems like that is A. vavilovii?

Found a pic of Allium vavilovii, how about them stems!
http://haveylab.hort.wisc.edu/research/allium_vavilovii.jpg

And I know I have a better photo of Allium fistulosum stems and leaves someplace, can't find it, so this one will have to do, it gives some indication of the fatter-in-the-middle leaf and stem type.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on July 15, 2010, 03:58:19 PM
Could it be some kind of Galtonia?

Angie :)

I think of Galtonia stems as being like fashion models.... straight up and down..... :D ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on July 15, 2010, 04:00:09 PM
Must be some sort of Allium, but the only one I know the name of with stems like that is A. vavilovii?

Found a pic of Allium vavilovii, how about them stems!
http://haveylab.hort.wisc.edu/research/allium_vavilovii.jpg
WOW!! I didn't know these existed! Fantastic  8) and, dovetailing in nicely with the World Cup Thread and the Moraea vuvuzela, this is obviously the original inspiration for the vuvuzela!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on July 15, 2010, 04:08:28 PM
Must be some sort of Allium, but the only one I know the name of with stems like that is A. vavilovii?

Found a pic of Allium vavilovii, how about them stems!
http://haveylab.hort.wisc.edu/research/allium_vavilovii.jpg
WOW!! I didn't know these existed! Fantastic  8) and, dovetailing in nicely with the World Cup Thread and the Moraea vuvuzela, this is obviously the original inspiration for the vuvuzela!!  ;D ;D

Well, lots of vees for sure, but I think that "vavilovii" is a commemorative name.
Other possibilities of Alliums with the "fatter-in-the-middle" characteristics include galanthum, oschaninii, and cepa (see link), and the aforementioned fistulosum, vavilovii, and pskemense.  
http://database.prota.org/dbtw-wpd/protabase/Photfile%20Images%5CLinedrawing%20Allium%20cepa.gif

Allium pskemense is particularly distinct in this characteristic, as the leaves and stem are firm, if not hard to the touch, and glaucous blue-gray color.  I think there's a good photo on John Lonsdale's web site.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on July 15, 2010, 04:11:50 PM
Here is Allium pskemense (described from the Pskem River, in the Flora USSR), from John Lonsdale's fabulous photo albums:
http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/Plants_album/The%20Plants%20-%20%20Complete%20Collection/Alliaceae/Allium/slides/Allium%20psekemense%200005.html
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: angie on July 15, 2010, 04:22:10 PM
Could it be some kind of Galtonia?

Angie :)

I think of Galtonia stems as being like fashion models.... straight up and down..... :D ;)

Ok we are looking for something round and fat ;D ::)
I think Marks Allium looks more like it then.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 15, 2010, 05:03:34 PM
Wonderful Agapanthus, Luit, I just love the different shades of blue.... but what is remarkable is how uniform in size they are - a wonderful display in your photograph  :)

If I knew my onions I would have a go at the puzzle  ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 15, 2010, 07:29:39 PM
You did not disappoint me Mark, it's indeed what you said first! I heard that there are several other Allium with such fat stems.
Did you know that the bulbs taste very hot? Did not eat them myself but the grower told us.
The A. vavilovii look really fantastic.

the solution of the puzzle:
Allium pskemense 1
Allium pskemense 2

and the last ones
        
Zantedeschia aethiopica Pink Mist              
Zantedeschia aethiopica Pink Mist cl.                  
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on July 15, 2010, 08:29:41 PM
Great puzzle, Luit!  8)


 That Z. 'Pink Mist' is a lovely colour.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 15, 2010, 09:35:38 PM
Loved the Lonsdale image. I have a grass here which appears from time to time (a weed one), with swollen lower stems like that. I think it may be caused by a small mite or something similar.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 20, 2010, 09:47:06 PM
It's summertime, meaning that there are not so many entries at the show.
Here some pictures though:
               
Brodiaea Babylon                     
Dichelostemma Red Empire
Dichelostemma Red Empire cl           
Albuca nelsonii         
Albuca nelsonii cl                           
Pennisetum setaceum Fireworks   
then a not often seen plant from N.Z. I believe?:
Arthropodium cirratum           
Arthropodium cirratum cl             
             
Gladiolus Mirella
    A primulinus type, selected from G. Comet 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: johnw on July 20, 2010, 09:56:08 PM
Wow Luit, that Dichelostemma 'Red Empire' is a cracker.  Is the Gladious 'Mirella' a winter-hardy one?

johnw
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on July 20, 2010, 10:22:39 PM
Lovely plant of Arthropodium cirratum  8)
Who wouldn't be charmed by the Dichelostemma Red Empire ? What a cute cheery flower! Individually sweet and very striking  en masse. :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 20, 2010, 11:48:55 PM
Another lovely group Luit. I lost 'Mirella' last year and when I went to buy some more this last summer, there were a dozen or so vars but not Mirell." Must keep an eye out for it next summer.

The Arthropodium cirr(h)atum is certainly a New Zealander, from the warmer, northern coastal parts and not fully hardy in the south though this is dependant on the winter each year, whether mild or not. Though it always comes away, the frosted leaves look quite mushy and disgusting. It's used a lot for street planting and as undercover for tree plantings in many areas. There are many of selected forms now, some quite pink in flower, others with extremely broad leaves, looking very lush and tropical.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 21, 2010, 06:26:49 PM
Even if less in the summer this is a interesting and fun group you have photographed to show us Luit

I love the blue Brodiaea Babylon but who could resist the spectacle of Pennisetum setaceum Fireworks!  I have a bit of a thing about fireworks in the garden at the moment  ;D

 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 21, 2010, 09:48:49 PM
All fireworks are beautiful aren't they? Robin, if you like that Pennisetum - and who wouldn't? - you'd like the NZ cordyline hybs that are around recently, with beautiful bright red, fine and falling leaves and sprays of pinky flowers which are fragrant. No picture unfortunately but I'm sure ithey will be in UK/European nurseries soon if not already. There's a beauty called 'Red Fountain' which says it all. It and the Glad. 'Mirella' are real fireworks plants and candidates for my (future) red garden. 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 22, 2010, 07:03:15 AM
Wow Luit, that Dichelostemma 'Red Empire' is a cracker.  Is the Gladious 'Mirella' a winter-hardy one?

johnw
John, I know that G. primulinus are said to be more hardy, but don't think growers leave them over winter outside here.
As with many S. African bulbs the wet will be more a problem than the cold.


The Arthropodium cirr(h)atum is certainly a New Zealander, from the warmer, northern coastal parts and not fully hardy in the south though this is dependant on the winter each year, whether mild or not. Though it always comes away, the frosted leaves look quite mushy and disgusting. It's used a lot for street planting and as undercover for tree plantings in many areas. There are many of selected forms now, some quite pink in flower, others with extremely broad leaves, looking very lush and tropical.

Lesley, I had some problem about the naming. I always thought it's cirrhatum, but looking in the Plantfinder (book) I saw there is no h used. Therefore I changed. But my trust in those botanists is long gone already  ::) ::) ;D
Did not know that there are other forms and colours, and had no idea that they even are used for plantings in NZ. Thanks for telling.

Even if less in the summer this is a interesting and fun group you have photographed to show us Luit

I love the blue Brodiaea Babylon but who could resist the spectacle of Pennisetum setaceum Fireworks!  I have a bit of a thing about fireworks in the garden at the moment  ;D
 
Robin, the Brodiaea (and Dichelostemma) were pictured after being a whole week in the Hall.
They are rather good cutflowers I think ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 22, 2010, 09:20:34 AM
All fireworks are beautiful aren't they? Robin, if you like that Pennisetum - and who wouldn't? - you'd like the NZ cordyline hybs that are around recently, with beautiful bright red, fine and falling leaves and sprays of pinky flowers which are fragrant. No picture unfortunately but I'm sure ithey will be in UK/European nurseries soon if not already. There's a beauty called 'Red Fountain' which says it all. It and the Glad. 'Mirella' are real fireworks plants and candidates for my (future) red garden. 8)

I shall look out for these, Lesley, they sound wonderful - fragrant too mmmmm
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 22, 2010, 09:22:49 AM
Quote
Robin, the Brodiaea (and Dichelostemma) were pictured after being a whole week in the Hall.
They are rather good cutflowers I think

Luit, they look as if they have just been put on display - great to have discovered a beautiful cut flower that lasts  8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on July 22, 2010, 01:05:16 PM
Luit,

Fantastic as always.  Those Dichelostemma are just amazing.  I have only ever had D. ida-maia, which did well for me for a number of years until dying of neglect while I was sick a few years ago.  Very nice plant, but nothing compared to your wonderful red beauty!!  :o
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on July 22, 2010, 01:46:23 PM
Luit,

Fantastic as always.  Those Dichelostemma are just amazing.  I have only ever had D. ida-maia, which did well for me for a number of years until dying of neglect while I was sick a few years ago.  Very nice plant, but nothing compared to your wonderful red beauty!!  :o

I well imagine that Dichelostemma 'Red Empire' is indeed a D. ida-maia selection or hybrid.
See this Pacific Bulb Society gallery on Dichelostemma, on D. ida-maia, and as well, look at Dichelostemma venustum which talks about some natural hybrids and Dichelostemma 'Pink Diamond'.

Oops, forgot the link, here it is:
http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/dichelostemma
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 22, 2010, 09:58:03 PM
Last winter, which was relatively mild, my half dozen Gladiolus 'Mirella' were frosted in their pot and died off in early leaf. This year they have come up again so the corms weren't killed. We've had a few mighty frosts and they are still looking just fine. :-\
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 27, 2010, 10:11:04 PM
Special entries were Gladiolus and Agapanthus on last Monday.
You might say that we had a 'full house'
I start with Gladiolus:
 
Gladiolus 1       
Gladiolus Flevo Spirit                 
Gladiolus Flevo Spirit cl             
Gladiolus Flevo Effect 1               
Gladiolus Flevo Effect cl               
Gladiolus 2                 
Glamourglads                                 
Glamourglads Mixed 1                       
Gladiolus 3
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 27, 2010, 10:14:47 PM
There were many entries with Agapanthus in pots as well as in vases.
I selected a few ones to show here:

Agapanthus                                 
Agapanthus Summergold
Agapanthus Heavenly 1                       
Agapanthus Heavenly 2                       
Agapanthus Monique                         
Agapanthus Rotterdam         
Agapanthus Amsterdam
Agapanthus Enigma 
Agapanthus Sofie                           
Agapanthus Thumbelina   

more to come later   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: angie on July 27, 2010, 11:30:03 PM
Wow love that Agapanthus Thumbelina what amount of flower heads 8)

Angie :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 28, 2010, 09:53:55 AM
My goodness, just a sea of blue...what a wonderful show of Agapanthus, Luit  :D  They are such graceful flowers, and generous in flowering in all their forms.  Particularly lovely is A Rotterdam and Summergold is intriguing with variagated foliage - I wonder if it is commercially available?

Personally I prefer the simpler Gladiolus but what a display these large varieties make at Lisse - I think the low dish is the answer as they look more like the growing plant instead of standing stiffly at an angle in a vase.  Thanks for showing them Luit.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 28, 2010, 08:26:57 PM
and Summergold is intriguing with variagated foliage - I wonder if it is commercially available?
Robin, I don't think they are in trade in Europe, but in USA there are some suppliers.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 28, 2010, 08:29:24 PM
One entry with a nice small Allium from Maroc, but unknown name??
     
Allium spec. ex Morocco 1                   
Allium spec. ex Morocco 2 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 28, 2010, 08:32:35 PM
Then there were some pots with huge Lilium, acquired this spring from England and shown here
as L. leichtlinii.
I showed in the Lilium Thread last week a picture of L. Citronella, (better name is L. Citronella Group)
I read that Mr. Jan de Graaff in Oregon improved the Fiesta Hybrids and then hybridised them with L. amabile and
L. amabile var. luteum to get new strains out of these
One of these is the yellow flowered Lilium Citronella Group.

I don't see any significant difference with the plant shown here, ( even the stem leaves
are exactly the same ) but I was told that the real L. leichtlinii is a short lived plant,
whereas L. Citronella Group is more robust and a much better garden plant.
Well, anyway in three years we will know if the shown plant is still a good grower, which
would mean that the L. leichtlinii proved to be L. Citronella Group instead.

Lilium leichtlinii 1                       
Lilium leichtlinii cl (2)                   
Lilium leichtlinii cl 

Lilium Citronella Group (garden)                 

Also shown were some flowers of L. davidii var. davidii:

Lilium davidii var. davidii               
Lilium davidii var. davidii cl

(Lilium davidii were involved in the Fiesta Hybrids)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 28, 2010, 08:36:10 PM
In this last batch I show some other plant this Monday at the show

Galtonia viridiflora 2                     
Galtonia regalis                         
Galtonia Princeps 
Eucomis                       
Scadoxus multiflorus                     
Sandersonia aurantiaca 2               
Sandersonia aurantiaca cl                 

finishing with a nice coloured Gladiolus, exposed by a hybridizer who recently
has taken some smaller Gladiolus in his programm:

Gladiolus seedling   
                       
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 28, 2010, 09:46:12 PM
Agapanthus is listed as a noxious weed in NZ where the older varieties have seeded about to such an extent they are a real problem. Here in the south they are more restrained and still available from time to time. Those above are really very good, especially those rich blues on tall stems over low, compact clumps.

Luit, you are almost on the verge of converting me to the taller Gladiolus vars. I especially like that blue in the last Glad picture of the first post. And though I hate the name, I rather like the Glamourglads with their odd colour combinations.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on July 29, 2010, 04:20:23 AM
One entry with a nice small Allium from Maroc, but unknown name??
     
Allium spec. ex Morocco 1                   
Allium spec. ex Morocco 2 

It's a pretty little Allium, but please let me break this to you gently, it cannot be a species from Morocco, at least not a species *native* to Morocco.  The genus Allium in Africa is exhaustively documented in "A Revision of The Genus Allium L. (Liliaceae) in Africa" by Brigitta de Wilde-Duyfjes, a detailed and voluminous work of some 237 pages, for which 31 species are accepted and treated in great detail.  Even though the author is a taxonomic "lumper" versus a splitter, there are no members of Allium section Rhizirideum found in Africa, and the plant shown in the two photos is clearly a member of Allium section Rhizirideum.

The photos show a form, or probably a hybrid, of the amorphous European/Asian Allium senescens (which includes ssp. montanum, lusitanicum); I grow many plants that look just like this, or similar to this.  I believe most of the smaller plants of the "senescens-ilk" to be hybrids.  Allium senescens (both ssp. montanum and ssp. glaucum) hybridize freely with other related European and Asian species such as A. angulosum, rubens, nutans, and others, creating varying looking plants, but always with that "senescens look" to the flower umbel and other tell-tale plant characteristics.  I estimate at least 30% of plants grown from seed exchanges, or even plants represented in botanical gardens, end up actually being misidentified and replaced with varying forms of widely variable Allium senescens.

So, the plant might be labeled as "Allium spec. ex Morocco", but it is most likely a mistake, sorry.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 29, 2010, 10:50:22 PM
Mark, this is very helpful! I found out today who has brought it from Marocco  and send him a mail with the question if he found it in a garden or if it was growing somewhere in the fields. I hope I get an answer soon? At least we know now that Marocco is not the original habitat. 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 29, 2010, 11:03:58 PM
Sandersonia aurantiaca has a great looking flower like lots of lanterns hanging on the stems and a fine leaf too, decorative and fun  8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 02, 2010, 06:43:53 PM
there is no name Allium dirixum, most likely a corruption of A. "permixtum", which is a synonym of Allium subhirsutum.  
Mark, the grower who exhibited some weeks ago the flowers with the name Allium dirixum has got the seeds from NARGS seedlist as "Allium diriuxm" in 2002/2003.

Maybe it is possible to trace with some person from NARGS Seed exchange, where these seeds with this 'fancy' name came from ?

As Maggi always says: "There is always a clue"   ::) ::)     ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on August 02, 2010, 07:07:19 PM
there is no name Allium dirixum, most likely a corruption of A. "permixtum", which is a synonym of Allium subhirsutum.  
Mark, the grower who exhibited some weeks ago the flowers with the name Allium dirixum has got the seeds from NARGS seedlist as "Allium diriuxm" in 2002/2003.

Maybe it is possible to trace with some person from NARGS Seed exchange, where these seeds with this 'fancy' name came from ?

As Maggi always says: "There is always a clue"   ::) ::)     ;)

Indeed, there is always a clue. I keep my past Seedex lists, and checking the NARGS 2002/2003 seedlist, I do find the entry for Allium "diriuxm" (the misspelling sounding like a diuretic medication ;D).  When one finds such name corruptions in a seed list, it could be from the seed exchange volunteers trying to decipher really bad handwriting, or a garbled misspelling coming from the donor, or both... so it's hard to pinpoint the source of the mistake, although since the NARGS does list the donors name/location, it can be noted the seed donation was from the UK, but no names to be revealed here... I'm sure an honest mistake. 

Thanks Luit for following up on this, it is interesting seeing how such names and spelling errors get around, the seed and plants get around the world and recycled back into the system, what goes around comes around, it's a small world after all.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 03, 2010, 05:02:37 PM
Mark now you are making me more curious about the seed sender from UK   ::) ::). But I don't need to know who it was!
It's more the question how somebody (and maybe a good gardener) comes to such naming of seeds. Though A. diriuxm sounds really interesting, doesn't it   ;D ;D
Well, I do know of several people who are keen to order more seeds when they send in some seeds (no matter what seeds!)  :-X :-X
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 03, 2010, 10:47:49 PM
Yesterday we saw again many colorful Gladiolus entries and I pictured some other
entries too.

Gladiolus Glamourglads Mix                                            
Gladiolus                      
Gladiolus Flevo Fun                          
Gladiolus Flevo Frizzle
Tritonia laxifolia                          
Tritonia lineata var. parviflora  = parvifolia

Since two weeks and still good looking there was a vase with Allium amethystinum

Finally a nice pot Haemanthus:

Haemanthus hirsutus Pretoria Form  
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on August 04, 2010, 12:41:31 AM

Since two weeks and still good looking there was a vase with Allium amethystinum


Luit, that's a fabulous form of Allium amethystinum, both for color and shape, VERY NICE.  The photo shows well the unique two-tier effect, when fertilized flowers shoot upwards and create the "upper tier".
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on August 04, 2010, 02:56:49 AM
Super display once again, Luit.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on August 04, 2010, 03:14:11 PM
Haemanthus hirsutus Pretoria Form is very cute, Luit, and the Allium amethystinum is fantastic in colour and shape as Mark describes.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 04, 2010, 04:55:27 PM
Super display once again, Luit.
Posted 02.56 AM.............. you had the early shift Cliff?? ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on August 04, 2010, 05:06:30 PM
Super display once again, Luit.
Posted 02.56 AM.............. you had the early shift Cliff?? ;D ;D ;D



'Sleepless in Whitworth', Luit ... indigestion again!   ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 04, 2010, 10:55:52 PM
I love Allium amethystinum. It's like some wild and exotic bird with an excitable crest. ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on August 05, 2010, 07:48:21 PM
Fantastic variety of flowers, Luit.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on August 05, 2010, 10:01:10 PM
Allium amethystinum is fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Loved it very much!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 11, 2010, 10:15:21 PM
When for the Weekly Show special entries of a plant genus are invited to show, it will give the visitors the opportunity to see the new developments in hybridisation too.
One of these competitions this week was for the Genus Eucomis.
The hybridisation of Eucomis is rather young, so growers have to find out what people like to buy.   
Here a few pictures from this week:
             
Eucomis Tugela Ruby 
Eucomis autumnalis
Eucomis Dwarf Red                             
Eucomis montana White Heaven  (with nice margins on the leaf edge!)         
Eucomis Baby Coral                   
Eucomis zambesiaca
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 11, 2010, 10:20:12 PM
The other special Genus this week was Zantedeschia, which is at the moment rather trendy product in the cutflower trade.
For instance, in 2009 there were about 89.000.000 Zantedeschia flowers sold at the Dutch auctions.
In the last 20 years there is an enormous progression in hybridisation.
Here a little survey of this product shown this week:

Zantedeschia 1                           
Zantedeschia 2                             
Zantedeschia Black Star
Zantedeschia Ventura
Zantedeschia Autumn Jewel
Zantedeschia Red Star                         
Zantedeschia Sweetheart 
Zantedeschia Promise 
Zantedeschia Auckland 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 11, 2010, 10:22:07 PM
Zantedeschia Mirage                   
Zantedeschia Safari                   
Zantedeschia Carrera
Zantedeschia Vermeer                     
Zantedeschia Red Alert           
Zantedeschia Aguila
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 11, 2010, 10:24:20 PM
And a few pictures of some other entries:
                   
Colchicum parnassicum           
Dahlia nieuw 1                               
Dahlia nieuw 1a                             
Dahlia nieuw 2
Dahlia Happy Go Lucky 1               
Dahlia Happy Go Lucky 1a
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on August 11, 2010, 10:46:07 PM
What an exciting selection this week Luit. I like all the Eucomis, especially the shorter types and those Zantedeschia are e xtraordinary... so perfectly sculptured... some in wax and some in porcelain... and all painted so exquisitely in the most stunning colours.
 And I must comment on the sweet "face" of Dahlia 'Happy Go Lucky' too  ....  8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on August 11, 2010, 11:09:39 PM
I have to agree with Maggi, Luit, I'd like to get my hands on some of those Eucomis.  Some real beauties.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 12, 2010, 06:04:13 AM
The black Zants...Oh My God!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on August 12, 2010, 09:34:46 AM
Quote
Eucomis Dwarf Red                             
Eucomis montana White Heaven  (with nice margins on the leaf edge!)

Wonderful plants and I would love these two!  How long does the flower last on the whole?  I have never grown Eucomis but they are definitely on my list, thanks to this tantalising selection Luit  :)

The dark Zantedeschia are amazing too!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 12, 2010, 04:37:45 PM
Robin, I never grew Eucomis myself, but the flower stems last rather long. Most of them show nice seed stems after wilting.

Please have a look at this new topic:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5893.msg162911#msg162911 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5893.msg162911#msg162911)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on August 12, 2010, 04:42:10 PM
Robin, I never grew Eucomis myself, but the flower stems last rather long. Most of them show nice seed stems after wilting.

Please have a look at this new topic:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5893.msg162911#msg162911 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5893.msg162911#msg162911)

 Ha Ha! I was just coming to make a link to the new thread, Luit!!


 Robin... the flowers last for a long time on Eucomis...  as well as the flowering stem being most attractive as it forms and extends, which can take quite a while, then, as Luit says, the stems look good as the plant forms seedpods, too, so all in all you get a long season of interest from them.

Some are more hardy than others, i think, but worth a try, for sure, if you see them offered.

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 18, 2010, 10:01:35 AM
Some pictures of this week:

Crocosmia Babylon                                 
Crocosmia Nimbus                                       
Crocosmia     
Allium sativum (Ophioscorodon Group)               
Gladiolus papilio                                     
Gladiolus papilio cl 
Kniphofia Ice Queen                               
Begonia marmorata                                     
Albuca wakefieldii
Amaryllis belladonna Purpurea Major   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 18, 2010, 10:03:21 AM
Dahlia seedl.                                   
Dahlia seedl. cl                                   
Dahlia Contraste                                   
Dahlia Cryfield Harmony
Dahlia for cutting                                   
Allium Summer Drummer                               
                     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on August 18, 2010, 10:59:35 AM
Allium Summer Drummer and A. sativum are great - such a twissler fit for a cocktail drink!  The Dahlia seedl is very fine too - it must be Autumn   :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on August 18, 2010, 02:54:57 PM
Luit, I love the photo of Allium sativum var. ophioscorodon (serpent garlic); reminds me that I grew this for a while and the corkscrew flower stems and buds are such fun to watch, changing day by day.  It would be great to do a time-lapse movie of them at this stage of their development.  Once the spathes would actually open showing the knobby bulbilliferous heads, I would cut them off.

Now, for 'Summer Drummer', I wonder what underlying species it is.  I like the name 'Summer Drummer', as it is a summer-blooming "drumstick" allium; the name is fitting.  The Allium section Allium species are rather difficult to tell apart from flowers alone, but to me this looks like it might be one of the allied species, A. commutatum, ampeloprasum, porrum, atroviolaceum... although something about it looks most like A. commutatum.   Luit, do you know what species 'Summer Drummer' is a selection of?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 22, 2010, 05:03:51 PM
Mark, I only know that A. Summer Drummer was registrated in 2006.
The grower of it, does select and breed a lot in Allium.
I'll ask around a little to find out which species are involved.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 25, 2010, 11:08:32 PM
Some flowers at the show immediately attract the visitors by their color or vibrancy.
Here is such an example:
Dahlia Isadora 2               
Dahlia Isadora 1 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 25, 2010, 11:10:44 PM
and here some more Dahlia
Dahlia                   
Dahlia 1                     
Dahlia 2 
Dahlia Vassio Meggos                 
Dahlia Red Flamboyant 
Dahlia Sorbet 1               
Dahlia Sorbet 2 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 25, 2010, 11:11:55 PM
Some other entries:
In this hall it's almost impossible to make a good picture of small flowers like Acis.
Their is always the cooling system to keep temps around 15 C. to keep flowers nice for
the rest of the week

Acis autumnalis                       
Therefore I made an extra picture today at home, but the wind was blowing too... ::) ::)
Acis autumnalis tuin   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 25, 2010, 11:13:02 PM
And I saw a nice vase with
Bessera elegans       

a new Eucomis (best vase at the show)                 
             
Eucomis [Johannesburg]  Proposed name.           
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 25, 2010, 11:14:04 PM
Earlier in the morning the committee was invited to look at the KAVB garden where some
entries of Eucomis were planted.
Here is one which received an AM

Eucomis Reuben 

(from a NZ breeder)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 26, 2010, 04:19:15 AM
The last one will gladden Brian's heart. :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on August 26, 2010, 09:13:03 AM
You know me too well Lesley ;D ;D ;D

Eucomis 'Reuben' is splendid Luit, the New Zealand breeders have produced some really good Eucomis...I realise I have a soft spot for the ones with pink/red flowers as the dwarf red also took my eye.  I must nip up to the greenhouse for a quick fix!   8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 26, 2010, 09:38:08 AM

As I did not see any connection, I just was about to ask 'Brian ??'
Now I see  ;D

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: mark smyth on August 29, 2010, 11:19:36 AM
I havent looked at these for so long. So many desireable plants
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 31, 2010, 11:04:15 PM
I havent looked at these for so long. So many desireable plants
Impossible to see and follow all topics on this forum Mark. At least it's so with me ::) ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 31, 2010, 11:10:05 PM
Some pictures from Monday:
Eucomis comosa sel.                               
Eucomis comosa Playa Blanca                     
Lilium speciosum var. Rubrum               
Lilium speciosum var. Rubrum cl.             
Lilium speciosum var. Album                         
Eucomis pole-evansii [or. E. pallida] 1               
Eucomis pole-evansii [or. E. pallida] 2                                     
Eucomis pole-evansii               
Eucomis montana sel.                               
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 31, 2010, 11:12:01 PM
and some lilies:

Lilium 1                                       
Lilium 2                                       
Lilium 3                                       
Lilium double yellow 1                             
Lilium double yellow cl                           
Lilium 4             
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 01, 2010, 08:39:27 AM
Luit, normally I would pick a lily that is white or more strongly coloured but the pink lily, green tinged, is really beautiful with contrasting anthers.  Eucomis montana sel has a really cheeky look about it saying: 'Yeah well, I really am a pineapple but this is the Lisse Show isn't it'  ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on September 01, 2010, 09:25:40 AM
Some pictures from Monday:
Eucomis comosa sel.                               
Eucomis comosa Playa Blanca                     
Lilium speciosum var. Rubrum               
Lilium speciosum var. Rubrum cl.             
Lilium speciosum var. Album                         
Eucomis pole-evansii [or. E. pallida] 1               
Eucomis pole-evansii [or. E. pallida] 2                                     
Eucomis pole-evansii               
Eucomis montana sel.                               


Handsome plants Luit, it's a good job the Lilies were there to combat the scent of the Eucomis ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on September 01, 2010, 09:28:23 PM
Nice plants Luit!!!

Interesting contradiction in my taste. I very dislike double Oriental lilies, but very appriciate double asiatics. They really look nice even for my very conservative taste. I grow some cultivars with pleasure and enjoy them a lot.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 01, 2010, 10:50:53 PM
Luit, normally I would pick a lily that is white or more strongly coloured but the pink lily, green tinged, is really beautiful with contrasting anthers.  Eucomis montana sel has a really cheeky look about it saying: 'Yeah well, I really am a pineapple but this is the Lisse Show isn't it'  ;D
Robin, making the pictures does not always mean that I like those enormous lilies  ::)
But it is very interesting to see how the breeders achieve more 'up-looking' trumpets since some years.

Handsome plants Luit, it's a good job the Lilies were there to combat the scent of the Eucomis ;D ;D
Brian, so you do know about the scent of lilies... ;D The bad thing is that these big groups are not inside the show hall but rather close to the Committee's coffee table ::) ::) :-X

Nice plants Luit!!!

Interesting contradiction in my taste. I very dislike double Oriental lilies, but very appreciate double asiatics. They really look nice even for my very conservative taste. I grow some cultivars with pleasure and enjoy them a lot.

Zhirair, I understand what you mean, but there is so much choice that everybody may pick some favourites for the garden.
For me personally are the species always the most attractive ones.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on September 02, 2010, 09:39:08 AM
The bad thing is that these big groups are not inside the show hall but rather close to the Committee's coffee table ::) ::) :-X


The Show secretary must have a warped sense of humour Luit ;D ;D ::) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on September 02, 2010, 09:51:27 AM
The bad thing is that these big groups are not inside the show hall but rather close to the Committee's coffee table ::) ::) :-X


The Show secretary must have a warped sense of humour Luit ;D ;D ::) ;D ;D

Most do, Brian ... it's a prerequisite!   :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ArnoldT on September 07, 2010, 09:27:19 PM

 Allium amethystinum
I saw this allium on Saturday in a fancy flower shop in Greenwich Village
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 08, 2010, 10:53:48 AM

 Allium amethystinum
I saw this allium on Saturday in a fancy flower shop in Greenwich Village
Very likely, because they are grown here in the cutflower branch too Arnold.
You should have bought some, they are very long lasting ::) ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 08, 2010, 10:57:10 AM
September is the time of year to show autumn-flowering bulbs.
I start this series with a pot of tulips (no joke)  ;D ;D
It is a sport of T. Candela and the bulbs were kept from last year's crop.

Tulipa Soroptimist
 
there were two exhibitors with Amaryllis belladonna

Amaryllis belladonna 1                                                   
Amaryllis belladonna 2   
Amaryllis belladonna pink seedl.     
Amaryllis belladonna Candidissima   
Amaryllis belladonna Beacon [syn. Port Elizabeth]               
Amaryllis belladonna White Queen     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 08, 2010, 11:01:33 AM
A vase with the not often shown cross of Nerine bowdenii x Amaryllis belladonna

Amaryllis Nerine bowdenii x Amaryllis belladonna     
Amaryllis Nerine bowdenii x Amaryllis belladonna  cl.     
                                                       
and there was the lovely Crinum moorei   
 
Crinum moorei cl                                                             

I finish with Lycoris shown in a pot and in a vase

Lycoris rood pot
Lycoris rood                                                             
Lycoris rood cl                                                 
Lycoris rood cl. 2   

Of the Lycoris I made more pictures than necessary, but these flowers a so exquisite.....  :D                                             
                                   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on September 08, 2010, 11:19:02 AM
Each week there are more beauties to marvel at, Luit   8)

All of these are plants I would LOVE to grow..... but where is the space?   :-X

 The tulips are a BIG Surprise!! :o

 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on September 08, 2010, 11:38:31 AM
Sensational colours (as always), Luit.  Many thanks once again for taking the time and trouble to post these beautiful examples.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 08, 2010, 12:53:21 PM
Luit your Lycoris rood photos show how just how much you like this flower and it is exquisite in detail  :D  It is definitely my favourite from the show this week

Where does the name of the surprising tulip flowering now come from? Tulipa Soroptimist - certainly an optimist!


Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 08, 2010, 01:06:25 PM
Thanks all for the compliments :D

Where does the name of the surprising tulip flowering now come from? Tulipa Soroptimist - certainly an optimist!


Hmmm, I expected you (as a woman) could tell me this Robin??  ::)      :-X :-*
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 08, 2010, 01:18:53 PM
How ignorant I am  :-[  but learning through Lisse  ;D

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861710495/Soroptimist.html
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 08, 2010, 01:29:24 PM
How ignorant I am  :-[  but learning through Lisse  ;D

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861710495/Soroptimist.html

 ;D ;D   Here are two links for you Robin:
http://www.soroptimistinternational.org/ (http://www.soroptimistinternational.org/)

and one in Dutch (look at the picture in the middle!) Under 'Nieuwsflits, wait some seconds because the flash is changing and you will see this tulip too.
http://www.soroptimist.nl/html/index.php (http://www.soroptimist.nl/html/index.php)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 08, 2010, 02:28:08 PM
Thanks Luit  8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: johnw on September 08, 2010, 03:35:41 PM
Fantastic Luit.

Love the Lycoris but the Amaryllis are also quirw something. How on earth do they flower Lycoris radiata over there? Do they cook them in a greenhouse.  As mentioned before I got bulbs in 1975 from Park Seeds and have never had a flower. Maybe this year.

Be great if you could quiz the grower.

Nerines are getting anxious to leaf here but the recent heat has slowed them down.  Foggy and coolish today - circa 18c.

johnw
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 08, 2010, 10:26:13 PM
Fantastic Luit.

Be great if you could quiz the grower.
johnw
I will give it a try John, but I don't promise an answer John.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on September 08, 2010, 10:34:26 PM

 Allium amethystinum
I saw this allium on Saturday in a fancy flower shop in Greenwich Village
Very likely, because they are grown here in the cutflower branch too Arnold.
You should have bought some, they are very long lasting ::) ;D

And some cut alliums, A christophii as an example, will develop fertile seed in a vase, and the seed then germinate from the maturing but still green capsules. I know, because I've done it - had the flowers/seeds/germination I mean, from stems cut as the flowers were just starting.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: angie on September 10, 2010, 11:38:30 PM
I also really like the Lycoris  8)

Each week there are more beauties to marvel at, Luit   8)

All of these are plants I would LOVE to grow..... but where is the space?   :-X


 

Maggi I have a spare pony paddock are you any good with a spade ::)

Angie :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 14, 2010, 08:41:03 PM
 
                       
Last week I finished with a red Lycoris radiata, so this week I am happy
to start with a yellow Lycoris.  I made 2 pictures of it and the first one shows that
in this hall plants are standing mostly at a difficult place to make good pictures.                 
For the second one I had to move the pot out of the sun, but then it is much less sharp.     
       
Lycoris aurea 1                               
Lycoris aurea 2 

The collection of Colchicum could not get moved but with some photoshopping resulted in a rather satisfactory result.
Colchicum coll.               

The same with the enormous pot of Amarygia with 6 stems which was to heavy to move.

Amarygia x parkeri Alba 1               
Amarygia x parkeri Alba 2               

Cyrtantus elatus Pink Diamond
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 14, 2010, 08:43:07 PM
Since two weeks there was a vase in the hall with Eryngium alpinum and still looking good.

Another difficult one to make a good picture of in this hall, is a rather blackish Dahlia.
I made several ones, but in all of them is the mirror of the windows to see.

Dahlia Black Jack

           
Dahlia Mick's Peppermint     
Schyzostylis Jennifer     
Nerine fothergillii Major             
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on September 14, 2010, 09:42:19 PM
That's one stunning Dahlia all right! 8) Black as you hat! :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Rogan on September 15, 2010, 08:16:48 AM
Fantastic plants Luit, especially the Amaryllis belladonna hybrids / cultivars - I would love to see your pictures of Amarygia x parkeri too, if you don't mind. I grow these plants as well but seldom manage to get them to flower - perhaps in another time or place I will be more successful...
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 15, 2010, 10:00:28 AM
Fantastic plants Luit, especially the Amaryllis belladonna hybrids / cultivars - I would love to see your pictures of Amarygia x parkeri too, if you don't mind. I grow these plants as well but seldom manage to get them to flower - perhaps in another time or place I will be more successful...
Rogan, I doubt if I will ever see Amarygia x parkeri here?  Should this be a pink one?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ray on September 15, 2010, 10:18:25 AM
Hi Luit,great pics as usual,and I would also like to see the pics of Amarygia x parkeri they are not showing up in your post, bye Ray
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on September 15, 2010, 10:51:05 AM
 
                       
Last week I finished with a red Lycoris radiata, so this week I am happy
to start with a yellow Lycoris.  I made 2 pictures of it and the first one shows that
in this hall plants are standing mostly at a difficult place to make good pictures.                 
For the second one I had to move the pot out of the sun, but then it is much less sharp.     
       
Lycoris aurea 1                               
Lycoris aurea 2 

The collection of Colchicum could not get moved but with some photoshopping resulted in a rather satisfactory result.
Colchicum coll.               

The same with the enormous pot of Amarygia with 6 stems which was to heavy to move.

Amarygia x parkeri Alba 1               
Amarygia x parkeri Alba 2               

Cyrtantus elatus Pink Diamond


Ray's right, Luit, there are no pix of the Amarygia x parkeri showing in your post on the previous page , the one quoted above      :-\
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 15, 2010, 12:10:41 PM

Ray's right, Luit, there are no pix of the Amarygia x parkeri showing in your post on the previous page , the one quoted above      :-\

And I thought that I had already some experience with postings to the Forum  ;D ;D ;D
Don't know what went wrong but here are the pictures.

Amarygia x parkeri Alba 1               
Amarygia x parkeri Alba 2 

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on September 15, 2010, 12:19:12 PM
Certainly worth a little wait ... many thanks Luit!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on September 15, 2010, 01:46:32 PM
Wonderful series Luit !!  :o

The Schyzostylis is my favourite !
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Rogan on September 15, 2010, 03:05:07 PM
Thanks Luit, really worth the wait!   ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 15, 2010, 10:04:28 PM
Fantastic Luit.

Love the Lycoris but the Amaryllis are also quirw something. How on earth do they flower Lycoris radiata over there? Do they cook them in a greenhouse.  As mentioned before I got bulbs in 1975 from Park Seeds and have never had a flower. Maybe this year.

Be great if you could quiz the grower.

johnw
John, I asked the grower about his culture and he says it is a very easy plant. Just in a short period before flowering they need very much water.
He told me that he some years ago stopped with the culture and in his glasshouse he took his rotary hoe to clean his soil for Anigozanthus plants. After some years he took these out again
because they got too big and then everywhere appeared young Lycoris. He obviously hat chipped them with his machine.
Here are some links where you will see that it might become even a weed in some USA states ::) ::) ;D
Missouri Botanical Garden Bulb Garden:
http://www.mobot.org/GARDENINGHELP/PLANTFINDER/Plant.asp?Code=C535
 (http://www.mobot.org/GARDENINGHELP/PLANTFINDER/Plant.asp?Code=C535)
http://www.gardening.eu/plants/Bulbs/Lycoris-radiata/2534/
 (http://www.gardening.eu/plants/Bulbs/Lycoris-radiata/2534/)
escaped into nature:
http://alabamaplants.com/Redalt/Lycoris_radiata_page.html
 (http://alabamaplants.com/Redalt/Lycoris_radiata_page.html)
http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/ar/archive/dec05/flower1205.htm (http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/ar/archive/dec05/flower1205.htm)

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=LYRA (http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=LYRA)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: johnw on September 16, 2010, 01:31:29 PM
Luit - Thanks for the research.  Late last summer I repotted all 60+ bulbs into a 35cm clay pot and gave them full sun all summer until they died down in early August.  They were kept quite dry for the 8 weeks so we will see what transpires.  I will give them a big drink at noon and stand back.

Wonderful shots in the wild.  

It has cooled off here though days are 21+c but the nights chilly. Primulas have recuperated.  On the weekend we pulled the Nerines out of storage only to find one in full flower and several with stems already up 25cm.

thanks again

john
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 17, 2010, 12:14:23 PM
Love the Nerine fothergillii Major, Luit, what a colour!

For our daughter's wedding in Oct 2006 we mixed the palest pink Schyzostylis in her hand made spray with autumn tinted leaves and they looked stunning - the same plants come up in our garden and flower each year to remind us of that very happy occasion  :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 22, 2010, 07:06:28 PM
I start with a picture I normally would not show here because it is rather blurred I'm afraid.
But I thought the plant being to special for not showing here.
[Attachthumb=1]
Colchicum sanguicolle   

Some autumnflowering bulbs:

Bessera elegans                                           
Nerine bowdenii x Amaryllis belladonna 1                 
Nerine bowdenii x Amaryllis belladonna2                 
Eucomis Joy's Purple     
Crocosmia Mistral 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 22, 2010, 07:08:44 PM
Since some years more Zantedeschia for pot culture are coming on the market.
Here a few I picked out at the show:

Zantedeschia Picasso                                   
Zantedeschia Serrada                                   
Zantedeschia Odessa                                     

Begonia are not often seen but here are some:
Begonia grandis var. evansiana forma alba     
Begonia Zwitserland                         

and the best vase at the show was   
Sandersonia aurantiaca     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gail on September 22, 2010, 07:52:49 PM
Many thanks for the latest pictures Luit and I am glad you included the Colchicum sanguicolle - it looks an interesting species. 

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Rogan on October 06, 2010, 09:25:43 AM
What a lovely vase full of Sandersonias Luit! Mine are just starting into growth as we speak and I can't wait for the first flowers. It is quite wonderful encountering this plant in the wild where it is widespread but rare.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 19, 2010, 10:37:07 AM
Rogan, have you got any photos of Sandersonia in the wild?  It really is a glorious in your vase full Luit. lovely too to see my favourite Nerines - when all is ending they appear as such wonderful delicate statements of exotica  :) 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 20, 2010, 07:42:45 PM
Rogan, have you got any photos of Sandersonia in the wild? 
I would like to see them as well Rogan.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 20, 2010, 07:47:05 PM
After being away for some weeks, I was told that still many Nerines were shown.
Happyliy these new hybrids last rather long in a vase, so I could still make photos from last week's entries.
The grower of these hybrids has now divided his hybrids in groups.
So there is a N. Bowdenii Group, a N. Elegance Group  and a N. Bella Donna Group.
The aim of the breeder is to make Nerines which can be grown outside all summer and will produce
good cutflowers in autumn without expensive glasshouse culture.
Here some pictures:
                     
Nerine New hybrids
Nerine Elegance Group                       
Nerine bowdenii Group mixed                       
Nerine Elegance Gr. Salmon Seedl.               
Nerine bowdenii Gr. Berenice                             
Nerine Bella Donna Gr. Anneke                 

some other entries:

Allium thunbergii var. Ozawa                                     
Cyperus endemitus
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 20, 2010, 07:49:32 PM
and some other longer known Nerines were shown as well:
Nerine sarniensis Corusca Major
Nerine bowdenii Alba                             
Nerine bowdenii Isabel                         
Nerine masoniorum                                         
Nerine sarniensis dr. rood                       
Nerine Joan                                       
Nerine Marnie Rogerson

an a nice Begonia plant:               
Begonia Picotee
Begonia Picotee cl
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on October 20, 2010, 08:15:20 PM
 Nerines do last well when cut for a vase but I find their scent to be unpleasant..... did you notice a bad smell with those, Luit?
Are all nerines rather smelly or are some nicely fragrant? 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on October 20, 2010, 08:48:33 PM
Wonderful Nerines especially Berenice and Dr Rood.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: majallison on October 20, 2010, 09:32:30 PM
Beautiful Nerine pictures, Luit.  Just recently I've been seeing stems of these new hybrids, particularly the Nerine Belladonna group appearing in local florists here in Gloucestershire.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on October 20, 2010, 09:47:12 PM
Luit, often I`m only a lurker without words in this chat. But I like the late flowering Nerine so much. Thank you to the nederlandse plantartists for these wonderful flowers/plants. They have so much more colors than Galanthus.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 20, 2010, 10:36:09 PM
Nerines do last well when cut for a vase but I find their scent to be unpleasant..... did you notice a bad smell with those, Luit?
Are all nerines rather smelly or are some nicely fragrant? 
Maggi, the smell is at least not so strong as for instance with Lilium or Eucomis. In the show hall it is not more than 15 C, so we hardly smell them.
But I will try tomorrow on some N. sarniensis and others at my place.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 20, 2010, 10:39:01 PM
Beautiful Nerine pictures, Luit.  Just recently I've been seeing stems of these new hybrids, particularly the Nerine Belladonna group appearing in local florists here in Gloucestershire.
Good to hear they are already sold overseas Malcolm. I has always been a problem to make Nerine a good seller in the cutflower branch, despite they last 2 weeks in a vase.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 20, 2010, 10:40:55 PM
Luit, often I`m only a lurker without words in this chat. But I like the late flowering Nerine so much. Thank you to the nederlandse plantartists for these wonderful flowers/plants. They have so much more colors than Galanthus.
Glad you like them too Hagen, but I know that you are not only fond of snowdrops  ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 20, 2010, 10:42:59 PM
Wonderful Nerines especially Berenice and Dr Rood.
Anne, I forgot to change the name into English. It looks now like Dr. Rood is a person, but means Dark Red ;D ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: angie on October 20, 2010, 10:51:45 PM
I just love nerines. I bought Nerine bowdenii Alba last week.  I really like Nerine Joan. So many nice ones there I must try and get more.
Thanks for the lovely pictures.

Angie :)                         
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 21, 2010, 03:47:32 AM
Beautiful Nerine pictures, Luit.  Just recently I've been seeing stems of these new hybrids, particularly the Nerine Belladonna group appearing in local florists here in Gloucestershire.
Good to hear they are already sold overseas Malcolm. I has always been a problem to make Nerine a good seller in the cutflower branch, despite they last 2 weeks in a vase.
And if you keep the stems in fresh water after the flowers fade the seeds will develop and you can start your own plants!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Rogan on October 21, 2010, 10:39:57 AM
It never ceases to amaze me - Nerine sarniensis is native to this country, but so seldom seen or heard of here, yet it is so popular elsewhere!  ???  I have quite a few seedlings coming on from kind donations on this forum and hope to see their gorgeous flowers in the not too distant future.

Re. photos of wild Sandersonia aurantiaca: I have a coupla pictures stashed away here somewhere (slides) and will dig them out to scan.

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: majallison on October 21, 2010, 09:54:33 PM
.And if you keep the stems in fresh water after the flowers fade the seeds will develop and you can start your own plants!
cheers
fermi
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Unfortunately these are female-sterile triploids, so no seeds; but you can use the pollen
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 21, 2010, 10:34:13 PM

Re. photos of wild Sandersonia aurantiaca: I have a coupla pictures stashed away here somewhere (slides) and will dig them out to scan.

Looking forward to them Rogan :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: mark smyth on October 21, 2010, 11:57:49 PM
Maggi some of the red Nerine sarniensis smell of c-h-o-c-o-l-a-t-e
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on October 22, 2010, 10:59:17 AM
Maggi some of the red Nerine sarniensis smell of c-h-o-c-o-l-a-t-e

 That is a real plus point, Mark!
The bowdenii types all seem to have that nasty musty"insect" smell....... :P
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 22, 2010, 06:52:17 PM
Today I looked at my Nerine bowdenii Marnie Rogerson and did smell nothing.
I also tried the smell of the red Nerine sarniensis Mysore and this indeed smells like chocolate  :D, whereas a white and a pink flowered did not smell at all.

Nerine sarniensis Mysore
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: angie on October 22, 2010, 06:55:57 PM
Today I looked at my Nerine bowdenii Marnie Rogerson and did smell nothing.
I also tried the smell of the red Nerine sarniensis Mysore and this indeed smells like chocolate  :D, whereas a white and a pink flowered did not smell at all.

Nerine sarniensis Mysore


Stunning and to spell of chocolate...what more would I need ;D

Angie :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 03, 2010, 03:57:00 PM
Not so many entries in this time of the year, so I combined 2 weeks
Here the pictures:

various entries                                         
Crocus goulimyi Mani White                           
Crocus speciosus Conqueror                       
Nerine 1   
Oxalis polyphylla var. pentaphylla                 
Nerine Ostara 1                                       
Amarine tubergenii       
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 03, 2010, 03:59:35 PM
Scilla lingulata                           
Nerine bowdenii rose                       
Oxalis anomala                         
Astilbe                           
Astilbe Hip Hop                         
Nerine bowdenii Stephanie           
Nerine 2     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on November 06, 2010, 06:35:19 PM
A wonderful display of Nerines, Luit. Are they scented?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: mark smyth on November 06, 2010, 06:49:57 PM
I feel lost this autumn with no Nerine collection  :'(

Anne the reds have the best scent
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on November 06, 2010, 07:04:52 PM
Did you loose them all?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: mark smyth on November 06, 2010, 07:19:01 PM
45 pots of multiple bulbs. I had planned to do a surplus list this year
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: johnw on November 06, 2010, 08:07:17 PM
Luit - A superb show yet again. Thanks.

Mark - I too have had the worst show ever on the potted Nerines.  The frustrating thing is  how does one determine the cause.  If they take 2 years to send up their buds was it last year's dark summer weather that killed the buds, or last winter's new storage at a temp higher than the past, the transplanting last autumn or were they starved the year before and set no buds? Yes, very frustrating!

125mm of rain expected before the end on Sunday night.

N. bowdenii fully out near the house.

johnw
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: majallison on November 06, 2010, 08:25:53 PM

45 pots of multiple bulbs. I had planned to do a surplus list this year

Did you have any survivors, Mark?  I'm interested, because it seems that some hybrids may be a little hardier than those that are pure sarniensis, although none will survive being frozen solid

John, high summer temperatures can also cause nerine buds to abort, so if it has been particularly hot with you this summer, that might've had an effect.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: johnw on November 06, 2010, 09:22:03 PM
John, high summer temperatures can also cause nerine buds to abort, so if it has been particularly hot with you this summer, that might've had an effect.

Malcolm

We had 3 or 4 hot days in early September but the Nerines were in coolish storage. One hot day in August 2009 - 29c - which most would not consider hot and it cooled off at night.

johnw
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 16, 2010, 10:52:57 PM
Just a few entries this time of year

Nerine bowdenii Wellsii           
Nerine flexuosa Alba     
Nerine Mansellii                 
Nerine undulata   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: angie on November 17, 2010, 08:42:37 AM
Luit , the nerines are so lovely. I really like the last one Nerine undulate.
I think I shall have to try and get some more nerines, they are so lovely.
Nice to look at on a cold wet morning.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on November 17, 2010, 12:33:47 PM
I agree with Angie, a ray of sunshine on this awful wet day - I love the red  Nerine sarniensis Mysore such a striking colour

Also the Oxalis anomala is very sweet and the Scilla lingulata pot is fabulous!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 17, 2010, 04:27:24 PM
I agree with Angie, a ray of sunshine on this awful wet day - I love the red  Nerine sarniensis Mysore such a striking colour
I am glad I could at least cheer both of you up. Here it is dry but grey and just about 5 C.

and the Scilla lingulata pot is fabulous!
No wonder  :D :D :D  ( but at this moment flowering is almost over )
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on November 17, 2010, 04:59:06 PM
Quote
Here it is dry but grey and just about 5 C.
Goodness me.... as nice as that, eh? !  :-X
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 17, 2010, 06:48:37 PM
Quote
as nice as that
just nice enough to take some cuttings in the garden and plant them inside ;D ;D   ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ashley on November 17, 2010, 10:25:46 PM
Yes superb Scilla lingulata :o
Is it yours Luit?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 17, 2010, 10:38:43 PM
Yes superb Scilla lingulata :o
Is it yours Luit?

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ashley on November 18, 2010, 10:20:12 AM
 ;) Thought so.  Beautifully grown.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 24, 2010, 10:56:50 PM
Just a few entries this week. Very special were 40 different flowers of Nerine bowdenii hybrids in two vases.
The flowers of these hybrids which I showed during the last week came all from outside.
This week the flowers came from glasshouse production.

Nerine bowdenii 40 diff                           
Nerine bowdenii   
Hedychium gaerdnerianum                           
Leucoryne Andes     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on November 24, 2010, 11:01:58 PM
Wonderful vases of Nerines Luit, just the thing to cheer us up on a cold night.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 30, 2010, 10:36:45 PM
We do have just a little bit of snow here and it is cold as well, though
not more than -5 during the night, so snowdrop time is arriving here too.
One entry showed 3 pots with Galanthus elwesii and a named one will be registered.
It seems to be a good grower as well.

Galanthus elwesii                            

Galanthus elwesii Else Grollenberg
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 30, 2010, 10:40:50 PM
Another entry showed a nice pot Galanthus reginae-olgae ssp. vernalis                 

and there was a pot Narcissus cyclamineus.

The grower named it originally Narcissus Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
But for the trade and for registration he named it just Llanfair  :)

Narcissus Llanfair                                         
Lachenalia bulbifera

And for Brian a vase with (still nice) Nerine bowdenii to cheer him up  :D     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on December 01, 2010, 06:50:44 PM
Wonderful vases of Nerines, Luit - they cheered me up too!  It is astonishing in this bitter cold here in UK they are still holding their heads up high outside as the only flowering colour. 

I am not a fan of peachy trumpeted Narcissus but just for the Welsh name in full one has to admire it !!!!

Snowdrops already? Lovely to see  :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on December 01, 2010, 09:56:21 PM
And for Brian a vase with (still nice) Nerine bowdenii to cheer him up  :D     

How kind Luit, not only Nerines but snowdrops too :D 8) ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 01, 2010, 10:35:34 PM

Snowdrops already?
Robin, you know there are pages on this forum where snowdrops seemingly flower all year round and if not,
 those dropaholics make them flower all year ;D ;D :-X
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on December 01, 2010, 10:50:46 PM
 :) :D ;D  I'm only a wee dropaholic then  ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: art600 on December 02, 2010, 05:40:08 PM
How do you distinguish bewtween a late Galanthus reginae-olgae and an early Galanthus reginae-olgae vernalis  ???
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Roma on December 02, 2010, 08:28:48 PM
How do you distinguish bewtween a late Galanthus reginae-olgae and an early Galanthus reginae-olgae vernalis  ???

And is Galanthus corcyrensis the same as Galanthus reginae-olgae vernalis?  Mine usually starts flowering in November and goes on till February but was later than usual this year, just starting to show colour when the snow came last week.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 03, 2010, 09:33:46 PM
How do you distinguish bewtween a late Galanthus reginae-olgae and an early Galanthus reginae-olgae vernalis  ???
Arthur, don't ask me. I'm a snowdrop dummie  ;D
Maybe you should ask this at the Galanthus pages. The people there will be happy to tell, you I believe :D ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 03, 2010, 09:35:36 PM
How do you distinguish bewtween a late Galanthus reginae-olgae and an early Galanthus reginae-olgae vernalis  ???

And is Galanthus corcyrensis the same as Galanthus reginae-olgae vernalis?  Mine usually starts flowering in November and goes on till February but was later than usual this year, just starting to show colour when the snow came last week.
Roma, about Galanthus reginae-olgae subsp.vernalis there is an AGS Plant Portrait,  see:
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/servlet/articleservlet?command=viewarticle&category1=plantportrait&sitearea=plantportrait&articleid=19&category=plantportrait (http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/servlet/articleservlet?command=viewarticle&category1=plantportrait&sitearea=plantportrait&articleid=19&category=plantportrait)

Franz Hadacek on his website says this about G. corcyrensis:
Galanthus corcyrensis - Corfu (Greece). This is an autumn-blooming species. F.C. Stern considered G.corcyrensis a separate species on the basis that it flowered with the leaves

Peter Nijssen means that G. corcyrensis is a synonym of Galanthus reginae-olgae subsp. reginae-olgae (Syn.: G. corcyrensis, G. nivalis subsp. reginae-olgae, G. olgae, G. praecox en G. reginae-olgae subsp. corcyrensis)

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 17, 2010, 06:59:25 PM
Just a few entries from the last two weeks.
This first pot of hyacinths started the new bulb season:

Hyacinthus Purple Sensation       

Two weeks a pot with Ipheion was shown repeatedly.
Planted one bulb in 2002.

Ipheion sessile week1                     
Ipheion sessile week2           
Ipheion sessile cl             

and the last picture is of a nice snowdrop:

Galanthus cilicicus
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ashley on December 17, 2010, 07:25:20 PM
Thanks Luit.  I've never seen Galanthus cilicicus in flower before.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on December 17, 2010, 10:52:07 PM
I echo the thanks Luit, it means I don't have to go up the garden to see mine in the cold glasshouse in this dreadful weather ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 18, 2010, 09:27:12 PM
Ashley, Brian I'm glad you are happy with my snowdrop picture.
Seemingly this is one which is not so often discussed or shown on the Forum pages ;)
I like it too because it is just a snowdrop as one should look for me.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 21, 2010, 06:57:26 PM
Here are my last pictures of the Weekly Shows in 2010
Normally the hall is bursting of flowers on this last Show of the year, but this early winter makes it
more difficult to get the flowers just in time. Cold outside and less light do give some problems.
The first picture I made yesterday of the garden with about 40 cm. snow.
Then there was only one entry with Narcissus.
Hyacinths were more to see and specially some nice arrangements were shown. 

Tuin 2010.12.20                   
Narcissus Erlicheer                             
Narcissus Erlicheer pot
Hyacinthus Anastasia                             
Hyacinthus Atlantic arr.                             
Hyacinthus Avalanche                                 
Hyacinthus Blue Pearl                               
Hyacinthus Prince of Holland                         
Hyacinthus Red seedlings                         
Hyacinthus Yellowstone arr.   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 21, 2010, 07:02:06 PM
Lachenalia viridiflora                             
                   
Tulipa groep 1                                         
Tulipa H 3-1                             
Tulipa J 9-1                     
Tulipa Marrero                                     
Tulipa Red Label                             
Tulipa Snow Patrol                                 
 and I chose one lily (more for the warm color)  :)
Lilium Bacardi 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 21, 2010, 07:03:21 PM
I started with a snowy picture and finish with some "snow" as well!
Galanthus fosteri var antepensis              
Galanthus fosteri var antepensis cl.      

I wish you all a Happy Christmas and a very good 2011!                            
                                  
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on December 21, 2010, 07:09:11 PM
Thank you Luit for all your posts from the weekly shows, I thoroughly enjoy them.

Hyacinths are bulbs I refuse to buy only because some years ago I bought a selection from a local garden centre. I ignored the notice advising to wear the provided gloves to handle the bulbs and had sore hands, and face, for the next few days.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on December 21, 2010, 07:10:06 PM
Luit, how are the tulips grown, like those seen in Tulipa groep.JPG, where all the leaves are perfectly upright and each facing perfectly the right direction guarding the stems?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 21, 2010, 07:28:26 PM
Mark, these were grown by specialists of course. They have much skills, no wonder after many, many years of experience.
There are many important factors to look at when forcing bulbs, like storing the bulbs at the right temps and the moment they are brought into the glasshouse etc. etc.
These pans were all tulips for cutting, (no pot-tulips!)
There was a competition for the best pan. Most of the cultivars were not good enough.
The result here was that T. Red Label and T. Snow Patrol received the highest points. The jury looks how the stems are and of course the combination of leaves and flowers. When a bunch of flowers has to be sold the leaves should not be ahead of the flowers for instance.

I am not in such a jury but I am allowed to listen when they are talking about. Otherwise I would not have been able to answer your question properly.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on December 21, 2010, 07:44:18 PM
Well Luit, you bring us to the close of a grand year of Lisse visitis..... it has been a delight to see so many beautifully presented plants and so many new cultivars and colour combinations over the weeks.
Thank you so much for your efforts to show us these weekly gatherings and for your kind glass of Bacardi to toast the year gone by!

Cheers!
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P.S. Ian says would you like to swap houses and you and Vroni move to live here? He thinks he could be happy in your glass houses!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on December 21, 2010, 08:02:48 PM
Many, many thanks Luit and a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ashley on December 21, 2010, 08:30:11 PM
Indeed Luit, thank you very much for bringing us to Lisse throughout the year.  Of course, human nature being what it is, we look forward to many more visits ;) & wonders 8)

What a pity multiflorus hyacinths are rather hard to find nowadays, here at least. 
White hyacinths with green tips are particularly beautiful I think.  I wonder if the breeders will be able to develop forms that retain at least some green as the flowers mature.

And those tulips and galanthus :o 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ChrisB on December 21, 2010, 08:42:01 PM
Luit,  I'd like to add my sincere thanks for all you do for this forum.  The bulbs I bought at the weekend are all doing well, some starting to emerge despite the frozen earth.  I look forward to enjoying them once we get rid of this bitter cold weather.... Merry Christmas to you and yours,  Christine
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on December 31, 2010, 06:53:11 PM
Thanks for all your photos and comments from Lisse in 2010 Luit - it's almost 2011 so A Very Happy New Year full of great expectations!  :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 05, 2011, 05:55:36 AM
Thank you all for your support and kind comments. It was a pleasure for me to show the pictures :)

Happy New Year
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on January 05, 2011, 11:06:41 AM
Happy New Year, Luit!

I think of these posts as being my Lisse Learning Programme  8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 05, 2011, 10:55:00 PM

I think of these posts as being my Lisse Learning Programme  8)
Welcome in the (Dutch)Master Class  :D :-* :-*
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on January 06, 2011, 06:22:38 AM
Luit,

So, will we be seeing a Weekly Lisse Flowershow 2011 topic appearing soon?  I may not post here often to state my amazement and enjoyment, but I do view regularly.  I do tend to put it off until I have time to have a proper look, as I know there will always be a heap of beauties in your topic.  ;D

Thanks for all your postings! 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ChrisB on January 07, 2011, 12:55:19 PM
I agree Paul.  There are a lot of threads on this forum, and this is one I always look at no matter what.  There is such a lot to enjoy here.  Thanks so much Luit for your time and efforts, they are much appreciated.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on January 10, 2011, 09:30:08 PM
This thread is formed from the pages of previous years for Luit van Delft's musings from the weekly flower show at Lisse, in the Netherlands, of the KAVB, which translates in English as   Royal General Bulbgrowers' Association



When clicking this link: http://www.ishs.org/sci/icralist/49.htm  you will come to the ICRA Report Sheet showingthose bulbs for which KAVB is the official registrar.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 11, 2011, 10:06:58 AM
Thanks Maggi!
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Edit by Maggi: Happy to help, Luit and thanks for these lovely Dutch Tulips  ;)  8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 12, 2011, 10:44:25 AM
At the first KAVB Show of this year as usual not so many entries. But at the moment all color is welcome :)
I selected a few of the better tulips:

Tulipa Krasa                           
Tulipa Rosy Delight                                   
Tulipa Spryng                                     
Tulipa Violinde                                       

and there was a nice Narcissus:
Narcissus Nylon Group yellow form 


Second try  ::) ::)     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on January 12, 2011, 11:48:43 AM
Interesting naming on that last one. ???  Definitely a petunioides type, not something I would even vaguely have associated with a "Nylon" group?  Some beautiful Tulips (and the Narcissus as well for that matter).
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 19, 2011, 06:52:05 PM
This week we saw amongst others a nice pot of Hyacinthus Anastasia and a few entries with Narcissus:

Hyacinthus Anastasia                               
Narcissus 
Narcissus romieuxii JCA 805 Atlas Gold cl.           
Narcissus romieuxii JCA 805 Treble Chance cl.             
Narcissus romieuxii Julia Jane     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 19, 2011, 06:54:06 PM
Some tulips which I selected out of the many entries:
     
Tulipa Coquette Yellow             
Tulipa Dea                 
Tulipa Tom Pouce                                       

and the choice of pot-tulips developes slowly:
Tulipa Ministar 
Tulipa [Ministar] rode mutant                 
Tulipa Salmon Crown
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ChrisB on January 19, 2011, 07:16:59 PM
Lovely narcissus Luit.  Do you know why they are labelled JC805 by any chance?  Just curious.  I have some in bud at the moment.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 19, 2011, 09:00:46 PM
Chris, JCA 805 is just the Archibald collection number which has remained close to the group of bulbs he collected on that occasion, mainly, I suppose, because so many good plants were selected from it, such as 'Julia Jane,' 'Atlas Gold,' 'Treble Chance' and (I think) 'Joy Bishop.' Perhaps others. Mostly collection numbers get abandoned after a time and we go with just the genus and species names but when a collection is outstanding, sometimes the number sticks. Another such, is Clematis orientalis (vernayi now?) L and S 13342 which always is attached to the relevant plant because it is so much superior to other forms of the species.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerry Webster on January 19, 2011, 10:04:56 PM
This week we saw amongst others a nice pot of Hyacinthus Anastasia and a few entries with Narcissus:

Hyacinthus Anastasia                                
Narcissus  
Narcissus romieuxii JCA 805 Atlas Gold cl.          
Narcissus romieuxii JCA 805 Treble Chance cl.            
Narcissus romieuxii Julia Jane      

I doubt that the last one is really 'Julia'Jane.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 19, 2011, 10:19:38 PM
Chris, JCA 805 is just the Archibald collection number which has remained close to the group of bulbs he collected on that occasion, mainly, I suppose, because so many good plants were selected from it, such as 'Julia Jane,' 'Atlas Gold,' 'Treble Chance' and (I think) 'Joy Bishop.' Perhaps others. Mostly collection numbers get abandoned after a time and we go with just the genus and species names but when a collection is outstanding, sometimes the number sticks. Another such, is Clematis orientalis (vernayi now?) L and S 13342 which always is attached to the relevant plant because it is so much superior to other forms of the species.
Thanks for your help Lesley. What you write in a few minutes would cost me half an hour  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on January 19, 2011, 11:57:16 PM
Glorious pics as always, Luit.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on January 20, 2011, 09:29:53 AM
This week we saw amongst others a nice pot of Hyacinthus Anastasia and a few entries with Narcissus:

Hyacinthus Anastasia                                
Narcissus  
Narcissus romieuxii JCA 805 Atlas Gold cl.          
Narcissus romieuxii JCA 805 Treble Chance cl.            
Narcissus romieuxii Julia Jane      

I doubt that the last one is really 'Julia'Jane.

ex 'Julia Jane' ?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerry Webster on January 20, 2011, 09:50:00 AM
This week we saw amongst others a nice pot of Hyacinthus Anastasia and a few entries with Narcissus:

Hyacinthus Anastasia                                
Narcissus  
Narcissus romieuxii JCA 805 Atlas Gold cl.          
Narcissus romieuxii JCA 805 Treble Chance cl.            
Narcissus romieuxii Julia Jane      

I doubt that the last one is really 'Julia'Jane.

ex 'Julia Jane' ?
David - Insofar as one can judge from a photo, the plants shown by Luit are very close, if not identical, to those distributed by (& presumably imported by) Miniature Bulbs in the UK. You have these plants & so do I; they are really quite different to 'Julia Jane', a petunioid form. I see that MB have changed their description &  currently refer to their plants as: "N.romieuxii JCA805 'Julia Jane' group   - A quality selection from JCA 805." These plants are fairly typical of the  seedlings that can be obtained from JCA 805 so, other than for sales purposes, I cannot see the point of the reference to 'Julia Jane'.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ChrisB on January 20, 2011, 05:45:54 PM
Thanks Lesley,  I have often wondered.  When mine comes into bloom I'll post a picture.  It doesn't have a name, just JCA 805...
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerry Webster on January 20, 2011, 08:21:50 PM
Chris - if you are interested, JCA 805 was collected  in 1962 in Morocco, Middle Atlas Mountains above Ifrane. Jim Archibald describes the population as very variable in both form & colour & this variation is represented in the range of  cultivars which have been selected from seedlings of  JCA 805.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on January 20, 2011, 08:50:53 PM
This week we saw amongst others a nice pot of Hyacinthus Anastasia and a few entries with Narcissus:

Hyacinthus Anastasia                                
Narcissus  
Narcissus romieuxii JCA 805 Atlas Gold cl.          
Narcissus romieuxii JCA 805 Treble Chance cl.            
Narcissus romieuxii Julia Jane      

I doubt that the last one is really 'Julia'Jane.

ex 'Julia Jane' ?
David - Insofar as one can judge from a photo, the plants shown by Luit are very close, if not identical, to those distributed by (& presumably imported by) Miniature Bulbs in the UK. You have these plants & so do I; they are really quite different to 'Julia Jane', a petunioid form. I see that MB have changed their description &  currently refer to their plants as: "N.romieuxii JCA805 'Julia Jane' group   - A quality selection from JCA 805." These plants are fairly typical of the  seedlings that can be obtained from JCA 805 so, other than for sales purposes, I cannot see the point of the reference to 'Julia Jane'.

I agree Gerry I think I shall relabel mine just as ex JCA 805
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 20, 2011, 09:47:20 PM
I've certainly never had a "genuine" 'Julia Jane' though have received orders as such several times. But the seedlings from what I DID receive are remarkably like JJ in many cases. All seem to be good forms of N. romieuxii and well worth growing in the garden, so long as we don't get hung up on giving everything a name.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Rob Potterton on January 22, 2011, 10:14:30 AM
Hello and Happy New Year, my first posting of 2011.
We've covered this subject on a previous occasion but am posting the real 'Julia Jane' which hopefully will instantly justify its credentials.
Gerry, i thought that the JCA805 collection was made in 1970, possibly 1971 not 1962 ???   Hmmm, will have to check that out.

Narcissus romieuxii JCA805 'Julia Jane'
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on January 22, 2011, 11:43:06 AM
Hi Rob, good to see you finally dug yourself out of all that snow!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerry Webster on January 22, 2011, 02:24:06 PM
Hello and Happy New Year, my first posting of 2011.
We've covered this subject on a previous occasion but am posting the real 'Julia Jane' which hopefully will instantly justify its credentials.
Gerry, i thought that the JCA805 collection was made in 1970, possibly 1971 not 1962 ???   Hmmm, will have to check that out.

Narcissus romieuxii JCA805 'Julia Jane'
Hello Rob - 1962 according to Jim & Jenny's 2007 seed list.

Incidentally, the 'Julia Jane' I had from you, some of which are in flower now, looks  different to your photo (not reflexed). I'll wait until the others are open before coming to a definite conclusion.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ArnoldT on January 22, 2011, 03:38:13 PM
I think the reflexing rim takes some time after opening.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Rob Potterton on January 22, 2011, 04:50:53 PM
Well you learn something new everyday, have just spent half an hour looking through old catalogues/notes and it seems the original JCA805 bulbs that my father obtained from Jim Archibald came to us in 1971 but were originally collected in 1963 .... as Gerry stated. I stand corrected.
Gerry, if you have an issue with your 'Julia Jane' please email me.

Gone out now to shovel more snow ......... ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Rob Potterton on January 23, 2011, 09:32:28 AM
Quite correct Arnold, the reflexing should occur as the flower ages and fades but can also be affected by cultivation ie available light and moisture of soil.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerry Webster on January 23, 2011, 11:43:05 AM
Hello and Happy New Year, my first posting of 2011.
We've covered this subject on a previous occasion but am posting the real 'Julia Jane' which hopefully will instantly justify its credentials.
Gerry, i thought that the JCA805 collection was made in 1970, possibly 1971 not 1962 ???   Hmmm, will have to check that out.

Narcissus romieuxii JCA805 'Julia Jane'
Hello Rob - 1962 according to Jim & Jenny's 2007 seed list.

Incidentally, the 'Julia Jane' I had from you, some of which are in flower now, looks  different to your photo (not reflexed). I'll wait until the others are open before coming to a definite conclusion.

My comment above was not in any way intended as a criticism of Pottertons which in my experience is an excellent & responsible nursery. Others could learn from them. I have emailed Rob about my 'Julia Jane' & I am perfectly happy with his response. Thanks also to Arnold for his comment - I must learn to be patient!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ArnoldT on January 23, 2011, 05:27:37 PM
The process of the rim refexing came to mind after looking at the image I posted.  The older flower exhibited much more 'reflexion' than the newly opened one.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 26, 2011, 10:57:01 PM
Here my choices from Monday January the 24th: 

Hyacinthus some newer seedlings
Acis tingitana                                     
Galanthus Faringdon Double cl.                   
Galanthus Faringdon Double                         
Hyacinthus Fresco                                 
Hyacinthus Showmaster     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 26, 2011, 10:58:46 PM
Tulipa Delos                                   
Tulipa Dimension                               
Tulipa Marks Design                             
Tulipa Rostov                                   
Tulipa Verona Sunrise 
Tulipa Hennie van der Most                             
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on January 27, 2011, 08:02:57 AM
Good morning!

Hello Luit,
thanks for the pre-spring impressions. Very nice hyacinthus and tulips, especial 'Marks Design' with attractive leaves.

I can't see a difference between 'Dimensions' and 'Hennie van der Most' ???
Some mix up?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on January 27, 2011, 10:06:46 AM
It just occurred to me that I don't know if tulips are scented. Are they, Luit?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Regelian on January 27, 2011, 01:31:56 PM
Acis tingitana!  Wow, I had no idea it was so fairy-like and gracefull.  I always have images of Acis being stumppy dwarf versions of Gravetye Giant.  Is seed avaialble anywhere?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on January 27, 2011, 02:13:27 PM
Acis tingitana!  Wow, I had no idea it was so fairy-like and gracefull.  I always have images of Acis being stumppy dwarf versions of Gravetye Giant.  Is seed avaialble anywhere?
Jamie these Acis are all dainty beauties... some mopre than others, and some very rare... but lovely, every one of them...
Acis autumnalis (L.) Herb. 1837
Acis fabrei (Quézel & Girerd) Lledó, A.P.Davis & M.B.Crespo 2004
Acis ionica Bareka, Kamari & Phitos 2006
Acis longifolia J.Gay ex M.Roemer 1847
Acis nicaeensis (Ardoino) Lledó, A.P.Davis & M.B.Crespo 2004
Acis rosea (F.Martin) Sweet1829
Acis tingitana (Baker) Lledó, A.P.Davis & M.B.Crespo 2004
Acis trichophylla Sweet
Acis valentina (Pau) Lledó, A.P.Davis & M.B.Crespo 2004
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 27, 2011, 09:45:24 PM

I can't see a difference between 'Dimensions' and 'Hennie van der Most' ???
Some mix up?
Armin I agree that at first sight the colors seem the same, but they are different (I admit on the picture they look the same) and have a different description.
More important are mostly the characters of a tulip. Is it good for early forcing or better in the garden etc. etc. The practice will show this on the end and therefore many new good looking tulips will disappear after some years. Only a few will stay.
Dimension was registered in 2007 and H. v.d. Most in 2010, though the latter I have seen already since some years on shows and it is always an eye catcher.


Dimension:

Flower Primary Colour      UPOV: dark purple-red           RHS046A     
Flower Secondary Colour  UPOV: yellow                       RHS 007A


Hennie van der Most:

Flower Primary Colour       UPOV: red       RHS047A       
Flower Secondary Colour   UPOV: yellow  RHS 006A

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 27, 2011, 09:46:53 PM
It just occurred to me that I don't know if tulips are scented. Are they, Luit?
Anne, in the Show hall temps are kept only 15 C. so never much scent there.
In my opinion most tulips have a special but very moderate, but not specifically good scent, but maybe some species have maybe more.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on January 28, 2011, 09:10:07 PM
Armin I agree that at first sight the colors seem the same, but they are different (I admit on the picture they look the same) and have a different description.
More important are mostly the characters of a tulip. Is it good for early forcing or better in the garden etc. etc. The practice will show this on the end and therefore many new good looking tulips will disappear after some years. Only a few will stay.
Dimension was registered in 2007 and H. v.d. Most in 2010, though the latter I have seen already since some years on shows and it is always an eye catcher.
Dimension:
Flower Primary Colour      UPOV: dark purple-red           RHS046A     
Flower Secondary Colour  UPOV: yellow                       RHS 007A
Hennie van der Most:
Flower Primary Colour       UPOV: red       RHS047A       
Flower Secondary Colour   UPOV: yellow  RHS 006A
Luit, Many thanks. This explains it. Probably one have to see them live to see the difference.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 02, 2011, 06:43:21 PM
The Show Hall was this Monday full off Narcissus
A few pictures of those which I think are interesting (amongst all others)

The first one comes  out yellow and gets almost white when fully open after some days:
Narcissus Kyra Maria 1                                                           
Narcissus Kyra Maria 2                                                               

Narcissus Pistachio 1                                                           
Narcissus Pistachio 2                                                                 
Narcissus Prof. Einstein           
             
and some smaller ones:

Narcissus Emcys                                                                     
Narcissus Surfside                                                           
Narcissus Kholmes [N. bulboc. v.conspicuus x N. cant.var.foliosus] 1                     
Narcissus Kholmes [N. bulboc. v.conspicuus x N. cant.var.foliosus] cl.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 02, 2011, 06:45:37 PM
There were a lot of tulips as well and a few entries with other bulbs:                                                               
                                                                     
Ipheion dialystemon                                           
Tulipa Kay                                                                             
Tulipa Twinny 
Tulipa Krakòw                                                                     
Tulipa Saami
Tulipa Lornah                                                                       
Oxalis versicolor
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on February 02, 2011, 07:03:51 PM
Luit, great stuff there, nice to see when we have over 2 meters of snow outside.

Narcissus Prof. Einstein is a screamer... wow, what an impact in the garden that one would make... I usually go for the more pastel colors but I love that one!

Great pan of Oxalis versicolor; but you know, it would look even better when the buds close up to reveal the amazing spiraled striping. I;m a big fan of the little yellow Ipheion/Nothoscordum clan... my dialystemon hasn't started flowering yet (warm and well watered on my basement windowsill).
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 02, 2011, 07:08:12 PM
Jamie, surely you grow Acis (syn Leucoium/Leucojum) autumnalis? It must be very available throughout the UK and Europe?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on February 02, 2011, 07:45:03 PM
Emcys is a very nice daffodil with a very strange name.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ArnoldT on February 02, 2011, 09:15:09 PM
Maybe name related to E=MC squared?

After the Prof. Einstein.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 02, 2011, 09:30:59 PM
Emcys is a very nice daffodil with a very strange name.
The name is made from this sentence:
Een Mooie CYclamineus Selectie: EMCYS

It means A Nice CYclamineus Selection
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 02, 2011, 09:31:34 PM
Lisse seems to have 12 months of Spring per year Luit !!
Thanks for keeping our spirits up !
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 02, 2011, 09:37:53 PM

Great pan of Oxalis versicolor; but you know, it would look even better when the buds close up to reveal the amazing spiraled striping. I;m a big fan of the little yellow Ipheion/Nothoscordum clan... my dialystemon hasn't started flowering yet (warm and well watered on my basement windowsill).

Mark, I know what you mean. I have some knowledge about growing and showing these plants  ;D
Now I keep just a few relicts from my working period ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 02, 2011, 09:39:06 PM
Lisse seems to have 12 months of Spring per year Luit !!
Thanks for keeping our spirits up !

Will talk to you soon Luc ::) ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on February 02, 2011, 09:40:37 PM
Emcys is a very nice daffodil with a very strange name.
The name is made from this sentence:
Een Mooie CYclamineus Selectie: EMCYS

It means A Nice CYclamineus Selection

Marvelous explanation! There is often a clue..... we just needed to be Dutch to find it!!
 Thanks, Luit!


 I have N. 'Surfside ' from the connoisseur Collection, I think... or do I just remember sorting it into paper bags?  ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Regelian on February 02, 2011, 10:24:00 PM
Emcys is a very nice daffodil with a very strange name.
The name is made from this sentence:
Een Mooie CYclamineus Selectie: EMCYS

It means A Nice CYclamineus Selection

Leuk!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 02, 2011, 10:29:58 PM


 I have N. 'Surfside ' from the connoisseur Collection, I think... or do I just remember sorting it into paper bags?  ;D

Yes Maggi! Don't know if you have it, but Surfside was delivered.

[quote
author=Regelian link=topic=1315.msg183510#msg183510 date=1296685440]

Leuk!

[/quote]

 :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Regelian on February 02, 2011, 10:30:16 PM
Jamie, surely you grow Acis (syn Leucoium/Leucojum) autumnalis? It must be very available throughout the UK and Europe?
Sad to admit it, but, no.  I've only seen it offered now and then, but would really rather raise it from seed.  I have had very poor luck with virused stock of many bulbs.  A disadvantage of living in a massive bulb-growing region.  Virus is rampant in certain types, despite the best husbandry.  It just takes a few rabid aphids to spoil your day.

Seeds are more fun, anyway!  ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 02, 2011, 11:07:32 PM
Mine's in flower now and I always get seed. Between us Fermi and I will supply in our autumn. ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 03, 2011, 01:56:46 AM
Mine's in flower now and I always get seed. Between us Fermi and I will supply in our autumn. ;)
Hi Lesley,
yes some of our Acis autumnalis are in flower now
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it's just a matter of catching the seed before it drops!

Luit,
It's nice to see Narcissus "Kholmes" over there as it is one of Rod Barwick's "Detective Series" of Hybrid Hoop Petticoat daffs (others include "Orcleuse", "Smarple", "Mitimoto", "Kojak" and "Sporoit") raised in Tasmania.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on February 03, 2011, 08:02:18 PM
Thank you for your explanation, Luit. It reminds me of the Galanthus named 'Nothing Special". Except the daffodil is nice.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 08, 2011, 06:33:57 PM
Again many narcissi on the benches this week and not only big flowering ones:

Narcissus Gabriel Kleiberg       
Narcissus Gabriel Kleiberg cl
Narcissus cordubensis                   
Narcissus group 
Narcissus The Alliance                       
Narcissus Mite                                               
Narcissus Snook [N. nevadensis x N. cyclamineus]                   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 08, 2011, 06:35:32 PM
some new snowdrops not shown earlier  :)

Galanthus gracilis ‘Kennemerend’               
Galanthus nivalis Scharlockii x G. plicatus cl             
Galanthus nivalis Scharlockii x G. plicatus       
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 08, 2011, 06:36:56 PM
and the last few of other entries this week:

Iris reticulata Spot On     (a Mc. Murtie hybrid)                               
Iris Sheila Ann Germaney
Crocus Miss Vain                                   
Crocus Vanguard   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Onion on February 08, 2011, 08:03:02 PM
Luit,
impressive as every week.  :P
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 08, 2011, 08:07:09 PM
Thanks yet again Luit. Who says spring hasn't arrived in the NH?

I like 'Spot On' but LOVE 'Sheila Ann Germaney' perhaps because she does so very well for me. Her colouring is so clean and delicate.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: angie on February 08, 2011, 08:13:41 PM
Luit love those Crocus Vanguard... thanks for giving us something cheery to look at.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on February 08, 2011, 10:56:21 PM
Many thanks Luit, I really like the colouring of 'Spot on', would look good with the snowdrops ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ChrisB on February 09, 2011, 08:50:18 PM
I have a nice pot of Miss Vain in flower, looks just like yours Luit!  Really enjoying the crocus just now....
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on February 09, 2011, 09:00:27 PM
I have a nice pot of Miss Vain in flower, looks just like yours Luit!  Really enjoying the crocus just now....

 Is that from the Bulbs donated to the DWE by Luit and Cees Breed from the Connoisseur Collection, Christine?
I noticed Art had some crocus in flower from that... we should have a special thread to show our bulbs from the C. Collection   :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on February 09, 2011, 09:04:59 PM
I liked the cyclamineus group narcissi too.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 10, 2011, 05:18:40 PM
"Spot on" is a real stunner Luit !!  :o :o
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 15, 2011, 11:09:26 PM
Though there were more tulips and narcissi in the Show Hall this week I will have no choice but to show some snowdrops as this is the time of year to show them ;D
There were several entries but most of them were just placed close to the windows and very difficult to make pictures against the light.
I show just a few
 
Galanthus Bertram Anderson                             

Galanthus plicatus Beth Chatto  (This was acquired before 2005 from B. Chatto nursery and might be the true thing?)
Galanthus Beth Chatto cl                               
Galanthus Imbolc                                       
Galanthus Ivycroft Cottage Corporal   (see name query in the Galanthus thread)     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 15, 2011, 11:10:53 PM
Galanthus Green Brush                   
Narcissus Little Gem                                 
Narcissus asturiensis x Candle Power               
   and an enormous plant was shown of:                         
Gymnospermium albertii
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on February 15, 2011, 11:24:49 PM
             
   and an enormous plant was shown of:                         
Gymnospermium albertii
Wow, it certainly is a whopper.... really good.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on February 15, 2011, 11:25:40 PM
Though there were more tulips and narcissi in the Show Hall this week I will have no choice but to show some snowdrops as this is the time of year to show them ;D
   
We understand, Luit, it is simply your duty to show them  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on February 15, 2011, 11:28:59 PM
             
   and an enormous plant was shown of:                        
Gymnospermium albertii
Wow, it certainly is a whopper.... really good.

And such a beautiful colour, almost as good as those white things ;)

Luit according to Joe Sharman
"Beth Chatto should have a perfect hour glass inner mark that is never two marks"  or, as the monograph puts it:
Quote
marking covering apical 7/8 of segment, a basal triangle narrowly joined in middle to an apical V with expanded, rounded arm-ends
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Janis Ruksans on February 16, 2011, 07:27:10 AM
                     
Gymnospermium albertii

Such specimens (G. alberti, G. altaicum) I have from more than 10-15 years old tubers which didn't fit in my largest pots (15x15x20 cm) - so those I'm planting free in raised beds of greenhouse.
Janis
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 22, 2011, 09:29:18 PM
And such a beautiful colour, almost as good as those white things ;)

Luit according to Joe Sharman
"Beth Chatto should have a perfect hour glass inner mark that is never two marks"  or, as the monograph puts it:
Quote
marking covering apical 7/8 of segment, a basal triangle narrowly joined in middle to an apical V with expanded, rounded arm-ends
Brian, I was allowed last week to pick one flower to take home for a foto and I took one of the smaller flowers, I did not want to ruin the show pot and so had a young and unripe flower. The grower told me that all flowers were the same on the plant, just the small flower I picked had no chance to develope better.
Here is a flower he brought me Monday. What do you think now?   

Galanthus Beth Chatto   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 22, 2011, 10:09:07 PM
Some entries of this week:
         
Tulipa               
Galanthus Brenda Troyle               
Iris Kuh-e-Abr                       
Narcissus Sherwood Forest                 
Specialties                       
Tulipa Dimension                   
Tulipa Ice Lolly                         
Tulipa Uppsala                         
Tulipa West Frisian Beauty         
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 22, 2011, 10:10:28 PM
Rhodohypoxis 
   These have obviously more possibilities than known by most people.
   Here they are shown in excellent selling quality in Mid February. 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 22, 2011, 10:11:33 PM
Very special this week was a small vase with Amana( Tulipa)
In the Tulip book of Wilford you may read more about this variety:

http://books.google.nl/books?id=bP7p0eZeIeYC&pg=PA173&lpg=PA173&dq=amana+erythronioides&source=
bl&ots=DcvVxJ-F0c&sig=lxFpo_fEdnPps96HdusuyY64TEA&hl=nl&ei=uc5iTau-HouSOs7sjO8N&sa=X&oi=
book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=amana%20erythronioides&f=false (http://books.google.nl/books?id=bP7p0eZeIeYC&pg=PA173&lpg=PA173&dq=amana+erythronioides&source=
bl&ots=DcvVxJ-F0c&sig=lxFpo_fEdnPps96HdusuyY64TEA&hl=nl&ei=uc5iTau-HouSOs7sjO8N&sa=X&oi=
book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=amana%20erythronioides&f=false)
 
Amana erythronioides                   
Amana erythronioides cl 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on February 22, 2011, 11:03:37 PM
Quote
Amana erythronioides
Wow!  8)   Must show this to Ian. ;)



Narcissus Sherwood Forest is the right variety to have for the Nottingham Conference, eh?

Tulipa West Frisian Beauty is delightful.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on February 22, 2011, 11:05:33 PM
Brian, I was allowed last week to pick one flower to take home for a foto and I took one of the smaller flowers, I did not want to ruin the show pot and so had a young and unripe flower. The grower told me that all flowers were the same on the plant, just the small flower I picked had no chance to develope better.
Here is a flower he brought me Monday. What do you think now?   

It seems to fit the description alright Luit, but I think someone like Matt should say if it is correct or not, I am just an enthusiast ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerard Oud on February 23, 2011, 06:31:48 AM
Its not Beth Chatto but another from the seedlings!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on February 23, 2011, 09:56:09 AM
That doesn't surprise me Gerard, the reason I would not come down on yes or no was that it really depended on what Matt meant in the book by 'a basal triangle narrowly joined in middle to an apical V with expanded, rounded arm-ends'.  It shows you have to see the whole plant, and know what you are talking about.  Many people put pictures up for identification and I think it is only possible to home in on some alternatives; without seeing it in real life, as the whole plant -  that's why I try and refrain from saying "That's ....."
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on February 23, 2011, 01:22:03 PM
Rhodohypoxis 
   These have obviously more possibilities than known by most people.
   Here they are shown in excellent selling quality in Mid February. 


Luit, since we often wait too long to water our Rhodohypoxis troughs  we often do not have them in flower before late may or early June - to see them in flower in February is amazing for us.  8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: johnw on February 23, 2011, 02:36:59 PM
Rhodohypoxis  
   These have obviously more possibilities than known by most people.
   Here they are shown in excellent selling quality in Mid February.  


Luit, since we often wait too long to water our Rhodohypoxis troughs  we often do not have them in flower before late may or early June - to see them in flower in February is amazing for us.  8)

Maggi - Do you replant your Rhodohypoxis troughs every year or just move the troughs under cover for the winter?  We dry them off and stick them in the cold room till late April then plunk them outdoors again. Usually they take a long while to get going as we're quite cool, especially so at night, until mid/late-June.

P.S. I am dreading replanting those troughs as the bulb count per square inch is so high and the bulbs all look like gravel.

johnw
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on February 23, 2011, 03:04:46 PM
We tend to let them over winter in the troughs and only repot late,(if at all  :-[  )  in April sometime .
This year Ian has replanted  some of them already , though they are still dry.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: johnw on February 23, 2011, 04:38:18 PM
We tend to let them over winter in the troughs and only repot late,(if at all  :-[  )  in April sometime .
This year Ian has replanted  some of them already , though they are still dry.

So they stay outdoors all winter long and survive that?

johnw
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on February 23, 2011, 04:50:49 PM
We tend to let them over winter in the troughs and only repot late,(if at all  :-[  )  in April sometime .
This year Ian has replanted  some of them already , though they are still dry.

So they stay outdoors all winter long and survive that?

johnw
Oh NO! That would be cruel.... They are lifted into a glasshouse to overwinter under the bench.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 23, 2011, 06:57:52 PM
Luit, since we often wait too long to water our Rhodohypoxis troughs  we often do not have them in flower before late may or early June - to see them in flower in February is amazing for us.  8)

Maggi, I understand that you both were surprised to see them flowering now, but when we used to grow them by the 100thousands many years ago the plant was still rather unknown and we were already searching for methods to offer flowering plants earlier in spring to increase the marketing and sales.
The best way might be to store the pots cold for at least 8 or 10 weeks cold in autumn and then place them in the greenhouse at moderate temps. and maybe some extra light to make the days longer. The problem is the cold storage which needs a lot of space….
I don’t know how this grower did it, but Rhodohypoxis seems not difficult to manipulate.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 23, 2011, 07:35:12 PM
Its not Beth Chatto but another from the seedlings!

In the Galanthus pages I saw some discussion about Beth Chatto and on page 40, reply 589 there were the following lines:

In her lovely book The Woodland Garden she refers to her snowdrop as a very special snowdrop that occurred in the garden many years ago (the book was published in 2002).  She goes on to say that she was “surprised and pleased to see that it seeded true”.

As I am growing just a few Galanthus in our garden I think I am rather neutral in this matter.

So when I read these lines careful then I am inclined to believe that maybe there are a lot of true Galanthus Beth Chatto.
She writes herself    “surprised and pleased to see that it seeded true”.      
Now I am very curious about what plant was named “Beth Chatto”

Was it just one of those seedlings or was it a vegetative propagated plant of the original find?    ??? ???

I read that B.C. Gardens now is trying to find the original plant again which is in my opinion
barely possible, again because possibly a self seeded plant was named.

In this case the best thing will be to name this plant G. Beth Chatto Group.
But of course the specialists will know much better than silly me ::) ::)   :-X

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerard Oud on February 24, 2011, 07:48:14 AM
I compared mine that was bought before 2002, the year that the Beth Chatto gardens lost theires, with the ones from the biggest collection in the UK, and they were the same. The owner is on this forum too!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 26, 2011, 08:23:26 PM

P.S. I am dreading replanting those troughs as the bulb count per square inch is so high and the bulbs all look like gravel.

johnw

Don't even think of dividing into bulbs. Just take (break off) small clumps about an inch in diameter and replant those. We are lucky in that they can be left in the gound all year round. :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 09, 2011, 10:04:53 AM
Usually no names of exhibitors here, but this week there was an interesting Galanthus entry
by our Forumist Gerard Oud and he got a well deserved Gold Medal.
Just a few flowers pictured:                             
                                 
Galanthus hybr. Little Ben                             
Galanthus plic. Nigel Chadwick dubb.                 
Galanthus Sel. out of Comet  (With green leaves)     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 09, 2011, 10:09:13 AM
A picture of a group of some interesting Ornithogalum hybrids with new colors:                   

groep 
Scilla peruviana   
Ornithogalum dubium                             
Ornithogalum Oranjezicht                         
Ornithogalum Sunny Day                         
Ornithogalum wit   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 09, 2011, 10:11:58 AM
Here an overview of the hall and several other entries:

overzicht                           
Narcissus Toto     
Galanthus Hill Poë
Hyacinths     
Pot tulips                                           
Pot tulip                                       
Scilla mischtschenkoana Zwanenburg               
Crocus chrys. Zenith     
Iris histrioides var. sophenensis   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Rob on March 09, 2011, 11:22:26 AM
Wow lots of great stuff exhibited this week.

Congratulations to Gerard, Galanthus Sel. out of Comet  (With green leaves)  will be popular with all the Galanthophiles.


Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on March 09, 2011, 12:57:01 PM
Quote
this week there was an interesting Galanthus entry
by our Forumist Gerard Oud and he got a well deserved Gold Medal.

 Well done, Gerard!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on March 09, 2011, 01:01:41 PM
Those two really dark hyacinths on the right look interesting.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 22, 2011, 10:20:22 PM
When we entered the Show Hall this Monday there was an overwhelming scent of hyacinths.
Of course there were other entries as well.

Crocus angustifolius                                 
Crocus Goldene Sonne
Corydalis transsylvanica Rosea
Corydalis Beth Evans

Iris histrio subsp. aintabensis
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 22, 2011, 10:23:17 PM
Some Mc Murtrie Iris reticulata hybrids:
                       
and some interesting sports of
Iris Kath. Hodgkin sport
Iris Sheila Ann Germaney sport                     

Tulipa hissarica                 

and one pan which did not make it to the show because I could not be there in time :(                                 

Scilla hohenackeri       
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 22, 2011, 10:26:52 PM
One exhibitor showed us three different groups of interesting hyacinths.
Two groups came originally from the Hortus Bulborum in 2004 and one group showed old varieties
which are no more in trade

Hyacinthus old Vars. [Not in the trade anymore)

The next group shows many (older) varieties which are still in the trade;

Hyacinthus [still in trade] 1                       
Hyacinthus [still in trade] 2                         
Hyacinthus [still in trade] 3                     
Hyacinthus double [still in trade] 4                 

With all these older hyacinths the exhibitor started to make hybrids since 2004 and showed
some of his first seedlings:

Hyacinthus new seedl.                               
Hyacinthus new seedl. cl                                 

Other entries:
Hyacinthus 2                                   
Hyacinthus seedl             
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 23, 2011, 04:55:25 AM
Really love those cream and white sports. I wish mine would do that. ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: art600 on March 23, 2011, 09:57:59 AM
Luit

Always something to lust after - the sports are my favourite this week.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on March 23, 2011, 09:30:53 PM
I like that last hyacinth too.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 05, 2011, 10:40:13 PM
Some pictures from the Show again (Thanks to my private driver  :D)

Tulips
Anemone nemorosa Virescens                              
Cyclamen persicum N. Israel-Golan form              
Libertia ? formosa                                
Hippeastrum  
Hippeastrum Royal Velvet                        
Hippeastrum Souvenir A very short good flowering hybrid.                              
                                      
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 05, 2011, 10:42:39 PM
And a few Narcissus:

Narcissus Warbler
Narcissus pinetorum                                 
Narcissus Innisidgen                               
Narcissus Mite                                           
Narcissus Avalon                                           
                 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on April 05, 2011, 11:23:23 PM
Super narcissus... but how "Hollywood" are those wonderful Hippeastrum?  8) 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 13, 2011, 09:50:17 PM
Super narcissus... but how "Hollywood" are those wonderful Hippeastrum?  8) 8)

 :) :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 13, 2011, 09:51:48 PM
This Monday we had such nice weather, so I was able to go to the Show on bicycle.
The hall was mostly filled with Narcissus and there were many entries.
Some overviews first:
Narcissus                                               
Historic Narcissus 1                                     
Historic Narcissus 2
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 13, 2011, 09:54:22 PM
Narcissus Carnyorth                              
Narcissus Carnyorth cl.
Narcissus Apple Honey                                  
Narcissus Delabode Delabole                            
Narcissus Pick Up                                      
Narcissus Loch Lundie                                  
Narcissus Pink Satin    
Narcissus Martinsville                                
Narcissus Park Springs                                    
Narcissus South Street
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 13, 2011, 09:55:43 PM
There were many other entries as well.
Most impressive was a group of new Fritillaria Hybrids. (F. imperialis, F. raddeana and F. inodora are involved here)
I showed here some last year too, but they are still improving.
Something to look out for in the future.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 13, 2011, 09:57:50 PM
last batch

Anemone nemorosa
Anemone nemorosa Bracteata Pleniflora                 
Anemone nemorosa Bracteata Pleniflora cl.                   
Anemone nemorosa Tenneys Blush                           
Fritillaria imperialis Argenteovariegata                   
Fritillaria imperialis Aureomarginata                                           
Bongardia chrysogonum     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 13, 2011, 11:16:38 PM
What constitutes "Historic" Narcissus Luit? Are they simply older varieties?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on April 14, 2011, 09:59:17 AM
Impressive as usual Luit, as must be your cycling skills! ;D

Wonder if your "Delabode" should be "Delabole"? Delabole is a small place in Cornwall, and the variety "Dealabole" is listed on Daffseek but with no pic ???
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Regelian on April 14, 2011, 11:04:09 AM
Luit,

love the new Frits.  I hope they will be available soon.

That Narcissus 'Martinsville' looks great.  Never seen it before.

As always, thanks very much for sharing these.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 14, 2011, 11:31:32 AM
What constitutes "Historic" Narcissus Luit? Are they simply older varieties?

Lesley, they are at least OLD ones, collected from gardens and from the countryside around places where flower bulbs have been grown commercially since ages.
So most are at least 80 and more years old.
Instead of historical Narcissus I could have called them heritage Narcissus.

for "Historic" you should read "Historical" (due to the lack of enough knowledge in another language)  ::) ::) :-[
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 14, 2011, 11:33:16 AM
Impressive as usual Luit, as must be your cycling skills! ;D

Wonder if your "Delabode" should be "Delabole"? Delabole is a small place in Cornwall, and the variety "Dealabole" is listed on Daffseek but with no pic ???

Hope to find the answer David and let you know.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 14, 2011, 11:36:37 AM
Luit,
That Narcissus 'Martinsville' looks great.  Never seen it before.

Jamie, I could show you more than 2500 ones you've never seen before, in 5 minutes walking distance from my place.
Just tell me when it suites you, only 3 hours from Köln  ;D ;D  :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on April 14, 2011, 11:37:24 AM
Impressive as usual Luit, as must be your cycling skills! ;D

Wonder if your "Delabode" should be "Delabole"? Delabole is a small place in Cornwall, and the variety "Dealabole" is listed on Daffseek but with no pic ???

Hope to find the answer David and let you know.

Typo on my part Luit-the variety listed on Daffseek is "Delabole" and not as I typed "Dealabole"
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 14, 2011, 10:01:48 PM
Thanks Luit, I thought it would be something like that. I often here see "old" plants on farms where there was a homestead 100 years ago but long gone now (my best colchicums came from such a place). There may be colchicums, muscaris, narcissus or violets and others and there are many fine old roses to be found and cuttings taken, from plants in old orchards now abandoned, or in some cases, not far from me, where much of the orchard land was flooded to make the Clutha high dam some years ago. The roses were planted back in the days when they weren't "old" at all. and many long lost treasures can be found with patience and diligence.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 14, 2011, 10:40:11 PM


Wonder if your "Delabode" should be "Delabole"?

Typical an "old man's" typo David  ;D ;D   Did change the text!

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Delabole is a small place in Cornwall,
Obviously a Scamp cultivar then?  :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on April 15, 2011, 09:24:41 AM


Wonder if your "Delabode" should be "Delabole"?

Typical an "old man's" typo David  ;D ;D   Did change the text!

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Delabole is a small place in Cornwall,
Obviously a Scamp cultivar then?  :)


I would have thought so Luit, but, when I look at Daffseek I see the hybridiser was Irish (Helen K Richardson) and it was registered 1986. Seed parent was 'Teheran' and pollen parent 'Ceylon'. This makes me wonder?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 21, 2011, 06:20:49 AM
This Monday the weather was very nice again, so I could take my bicycle again to
visit the Show and show you some pictures.

In other years I already showed here many new Muscari. This week we saw many again but I just picked out some pots with this new, huge one:
Muscari Mountain Lady     
and a nice pot of Ipheion Alberto Castillo                   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 21, 2011, 06:22:37 AM
There were also some nice Narcissus arrangements to see                 
                 
Narcissus Arctic Gem                   
Narcissus arr. 1                       
Narcissus arr. 2                         
Narcissus Severn Valley                 
Narcissus Spindletop 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 21, 2011, 06:24:35 AM
and some more narcissi:
                       
Narcissus Citronita                     
Narcissus Tater-Du                                 
Narcissus Golden Echo                     
Narcissus Citronella
Narcissus nn                         
Narcissus Feoc 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on April 27, 2011, 12:41:58 PM
Some very nice narcissi - someone has put a lot of effort into displaying them very prettily.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 03, 2011, 10:13:14 PM
Some very nice narcissi - someone has put a lot of effort into displaying them very prettily.
Indeed Anne, the picking of the flowers and putting the names to them takes very much time.
And then in the morning placing on the tables...... ::) ::)

Here an overview of the 2nd. May Show and some flowers I choose:
Narcissus 1                                         
Narcissus Dallas                                   
Narcissus Kebaya                                 
Narcissus Lamlash                               
Narcissus Naivasha                           
Narcissus Odist                                   
Narcissus Odist cl
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 03, 2011, 10:15:30 PM
There were other entries of course:
                         
Gladiolus communis ssp. byzantinus                   
Allium Early Emperor       
Hermodactylus tuberosus                               
Oxalis rubra Pink Diamond 1
And a few pics of nice Muscari:

Muscari Marleen                                     
Muscari Marleen cl                                 
Muscari Maxabel                 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 03, 2011, 10:17:14 PM
Finishing now with some more narcissi and I think the last ones of this season:

Narcissus 2
Narcissus Oryx                                     
Narcissus Oxford                                 
Narcissus Pixie's Sister                           
Narcissus recurvus                                 
Narcissus Santa Claus         
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on May 03, 2011, 10:17:44 PM
Super, as usual, Luit.  I like the look of Muscari Maxabel - is it available yet?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on May 03, 2011, 10:20:06 PM
Narcissus Dallas and Lamlash catch my eye,as does the double Santa Claus... trying so hard to be a double Trillium or a Gardenia!

The light playing on the Gladiolus is stunning.
What a treat to share these shows, Luit..... we are ever grateful to you..... even if it can make us a little envious!!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 03, 2011, 11:06:34 PM
Super, as usual, Luit.  I like the look of Muscari Maxabel - is it available yet?
Brian, they were shown by a Forum member, maybe he knows more about ? :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 03, 2011, 11:10:50 PM

The light playing on the Gladiolus is stunning.

I noticed them right away when I entered the hall, just because of the combination of flowers and the light Maggi, but had to pass the many other flowers before I got to them to make a picture  :D :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on May 04, 2011, 07:02:48 AM
Magnificent tour once again, Luit ... I'm not really a bulb person but could be swayed!!!  :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 04, 2011, 11:47:59 AM
The Muscari are both very fine, and I like ALL the Narcissus vars. I wonder why that surprises me? ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on May 06, 2011, 11:08:18 PM
Luit, it is wonderful to return to your thread on Lisse Flower Show and see so many wonderful bulbs in flower rejoicing in Spring.  Like Anne I admire the presentation of the flowers and the immense care taken to show perfection in each and every one.  Thank you for all the time taken to show us these delights  :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 07, 2011, 06:23:39 PM
Thanks all! You make me blush  :-\
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 07, 2011, 10:41:51 PM
Thanks all! You make me blush  :-\
That will be the pink form then? :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: johnw on May 07, 2011, 10:49:42 PM
Wonderful as usual Luit. Has M. 'Maxabel' gone to the trade yet?

johnw
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 07, 2011, 10:58:02 PM
John, have a look at reply 1054 .
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Wim de Goede on May 10, 2011, 06:55:53 PM
Hello Brian and John, I showed Muscari Maxabel and I can tell  that it will be available about two years

We are the only grower and I got it from a lady Joy Bishop and she named it after her grandchildren,
Maxim and anabel (I hope I wrote the names right)
Wim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on May 10, 2011, 06:56:42 PM
Thanks for letting us know Wim, won't be long to wait ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on May 10, 2011, 07:03:54 PM
Thanks for letting us know Wim, won't be long to wait ;D
Yes, we can be patient!  ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 11, 2011, 10:28:19 PM
Last Monday we were surprised by a nice entry of Allium.
Amongst them were some interesting new forms, where A. nevskianum was involved.

Allium group                                         
Allium cupuliferum cl.                   
Allium komarowii                       
Allium loratum                                   
Allium nev. 06-06                           
Allium nev. 06-9 
Allium nev. 06-11                                 
Allium nev. 06-11 cl. 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 11, 2011, 10:29:41 PM
And a few other entries:                 
                 
Rhodohypoxis  group                             
Polygonatum Grace Barker
Hyacinthoides hispanica Meike 
   A nice pink form, not yet registered. 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on May 13, 2011, 01:40:17 PM
Allium loratum is a wonderful soft colour.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on May 13, 2011, 06:34:28 PM
I could easily become besotted with Alliums, musy talk harshly with myself. Thanks for the pics Luit.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 17, 2011, 10:45:47 PM
Just a few pictures this week.
Interesting was to see a cross of Allium tripedale (Nectaroscordum trip.) with Allium siculum ssp. bulgaricum (Nectaroscordum meliophyllum).
The new cross is in growth like A. tripedale, but it seems to propagate much better.

These plants were better known over the years als Nectaroscordum, but before that time they were known as Allium.
So know we have to call them Allium again.

I show pictures of the parents first :

Allium tripedale                           
Allium siculum ssp. bulgaricum cl.                   
                           
Allium siculum ssp. bulgaricum x tripedale     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 17, 2011, 10:46:20 PM
and we saw a small vase with some very nice colored and elegant flowers of a bulb, which was acquired and send as Hyacinthus tabrizianus.
After some studies in the Flora of Iran was found out that it probably is a Bellevalia.

Bellevalia tabriziana   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ashley on May 17, 2011, 11:05:20 PM
Very beautiful Luit.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on May 18, 2011, 09:00:16 AM
Just a few pictures this week.
Interesting was to see a cross of Allium tripedale (Nectaroscordum trip.) with Allium siculum ssp. bulgaricum (Nectaroscordum meliophyllum).
The new cross is in growth like A. tripedale, but it seems to propagate much better.

These plants were better known over the years als Nectaroscordum, but before that time they were known as Allium.
So know we have to call them Allium again.

I show pictures of the parents first :

Allium tripedale                           
Allium siculum ssp. bulgaricum cl.                   
                           
Allium siculum ssp. bulgaricum x tripedale     


 Just a few... but what pictures! Super, Luit. The Allium close-ups are so pretty  and the Bellevalia is utterly charming.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on May 18, 2011, 09:10:58 AM
Many thanks once again Luit.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on May 18, 2011, 09:26:21 AM
I can see the Allium siculum ssp. bulgaricum x tripedale   becoming very popular Luit, and what a pretty Bellevalia that is.  Thanks for showing us.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ragged Robin on May 18, 2011, 06:57:43 PM
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Bellevalia tabriziana

Luit, what a gorgeous photo you took of these lovely flowers in a vase.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 19, 2011, 09:31:38 AM
Yes, the Bellevalia was really a pleasure for the eyes, despite being so small  :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 27, 2011, 07:08:43 AM
This week the Allium growers were invited to show their products for a competitive Show.
There were many entries and I made a lot of pictures of many flowers, but not of the "big balls"  :) of which there were many entries as well:

Allium
Allium  sarawschanicum x christophii                       
Allium  trautvetterianum x christophii                   
Allium alexejanum                                 
Allium alexejanum x stipitatum                       
Allium amphibolum                                         
Allium atropurpureum x christophii                 
Allium auctum                                             
Allium backhousianum
Allium caspium
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 27, 2011, 07:12:17 AM
Allium                                             
Allium Cameleon                                         
Allium carolinianum                                 
Allium chloranthum                                   
Allium christophii                                     
Allium convallarioides Pink                             
Allium decipiens     
Allium karataviense Kara-Tau
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 27, 2011, 07:16:14 AM
Allium   
Allium dolychostylum                         
Allium hyalinum                                       
Allium karataviense Red Globe                   
Allium litvinowii                                         
Allium loratum pink                                     
Allium loratum                                           
Allium nevskianum
Allium nevskianum seedl.                           
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 27, 2011, 07:19:58 AM
Allium                                     
Allium oreophyllum Agalik's Giant                      
Allium oreophyllum Kugard                              
Allium oreophyllum Samur                              
Allium protensum                                        
Allium rosenbachianum Kwakense                      
Allium rosenbachianum sel.                      
Allium roseum                                          
Allium rotundum ssp. jajlae                          
Allium Silver Spring
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 27, 2011, 07:22:34 AM
and there were not only Allium. A few more pics:

Hymenocallis longipetala                                 
Triteleia ixioides Starlight                               

and I think we saw the last tulip of this spring  ??? :D

Tulipa double mutant of T. Blue Parrot (a so-called cauliflower tulip)         
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on May 27, 2011, 10:13:45 AM
Dear me, that poor parrot needs to be put out of its misery! :-X
 I think it must be a "Norwegian Blue" ?  ::) ;D

It is certainly prime Allium time... what a fantastic selection. I really like the reds....superb flowers!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Thomas Huber on May 27, 2011, 04:14:44 PM
Thanks Luit - what a great show!!!
I MUST have more Allium for my garden!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerry Webster on May 27, 2011, 08:05:49 PM
I think it must be a "Norwegian Blue" ?  ::) ;D

Unfortunately not - it looks very much alive.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: arisaema on May 27, 2011, 08:10:50 PM
I quite like it, it's almost as pretty as 'Ice Cream' ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on May 28, 2011, 02:46:23 PM
Luit, great to see such a fantastic range of Alliums, it opens the doors to the possibilities within this large genus. I'm just catching up with this thread, but I have a few questions and comments.

Refer to the series of allium photos one page back:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1315.msg201265#msg201265

Are the ones listed as Allium nev. 06-06, Allium nev. 06-9, Allium nev. 06-11, and Allium nev. 06-11 cl., are all of these Allium nevskianum?  What do the numbers indicate?

The one shown as "Allium loratum" is misidentified.  Plants erroneously identified under this name are long established in cultivation, the true identity is typically A. decipiens (in one of its forms) or something else.  Allium loratum is a dwarf alpine species from Western Himalaya and Tibet, growing just 3-6" tall, and with white flowers, described by Baker in 1874.


From this series, you showed some section Melanocrommyum hybrids... fantastic!
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1315.msg202917#msg202917

These hybrids are quite impressive, I well imagine some of these will become available in the years to come, Allium alexejanum x stipitatum is a particularly stunning plant.  The cross Allium atropurpureum x christophii is fascinating to see, combining the dark color with enormous heads.  Allium backhousianum I've grown, most distinctive attraction in the garden, sadly mine passed away after a few years of bloom.  I have always wanted Allium caspium, you show a good deep color form, as sometimes it can be whitish.

Regarding Allium "auctum", the species name is an invalid one, which depending on the original author citation, refer instead to A. cyrillii, decipiens, or a pink-flowered form of A. nigrum.  I've grown plants under the "auctum" name twice, one plant ended up being A. nigrum in a nice pink form (looks like your plant) and the other time it ended up being A. cyrillii (which I was pleased with, because A. cyrillii in horticulture is usually replaced by Allium senescens).


On Allium 'Cameleon', I have some plants in flower from bulbs received from Wim de Goede, and I have made a determination that most likely the underlying species is Allium longanum, a Mediterranean species found in North Africa from Libya to Egypt and in Cyprus and the Cyclades; I posted some pics and discussion in the following link. As always with Allium identification, coupled with not knowing what the plant's native derivation, it is possible to narrow down the field to a few possibilities, A. trifoliatum being the second possibility, and A. longanum my first best guess.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5164.msg202959#msg202959

Allium chloranthum and the pinksih form of A. convallarioides are both very nice, I've grown both and there are welcome treasures for the rock garden.


Difficult to comment on your A. decipiens, would need to see foliage and possibly the bulbs as well, it looks somewhat different that what I've seen under this name.  After discussions with leading Allium taxonomist Dr. Reinhard Fritsch, who confirmed my plants as Allium decipiens Fisch. subsp. quercetorum Seregin 2007, I understand the plant is variable, but my opinion is that your plant might actually be a different species.

The photo showing Allium caroliniaum is misidentified, A. carolinianum has narrow cupped flowers that barely open (almost "pinched") with the long protruding stamens just squeezing by the closed florets, thus having a very different look.  Without seeing the foliage and bulbs I can't say for sure what it is, but definitely not A. carolinianum.

From you most recent batch:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1315.msg202919#msg202919

Allium dolichostylum (note spelling), looks very interesting.  Can't vouch for identity, I'd need to see more of the plant, but a most interesting look to the flowers, and pretty color combination too.  Fine bouquets of Allium hyalinum and A. litvinowii.

Same comment om both images of Allium "loratum", the always-misidentified dwarf alpine species misidentified with tall Melanocrommyum types; the first one looks again like A. decipiens, the deeper purplish one looks like a Melannocromyum hybrid of some sort.  Allium nevskianum and the seedling color forms are FANTASTIC.

The last batch, with 3 forms of A. oreophilum (note spelling), are gorgeous... such intense color.  I grow the cultivar 'Torch', just coming into bloom now, another hot color form.

Allium protensum is one that I flowered once but then sadly lost, an incredible giant flower in brown and beige tones, weird and wonderful.

Glad you showed Allium rosenbachianum Regel subsp. kwakense R.M.Fritsch, a rarely seen and recently described species (1993).  Just last year (2010), Dr. Reinhard Fritsch, who first named the subspecies, elevated it to species level as A. kwakense.

Allium 'Silver Spring' represents the magnificent forms of Allium nigrum as it occurs in Israel and Syria.  It is Dr. Fritsch's opinion that the Allium nigrum/orientale complex is in need of further study and delineation... the middle eastern forms of A. nigrum, with the intense black-red center, glossy ovaries and tepals, are so distinct, and such an distinct development in the "species", I could well imagine that these forms will be separated off one day.  Needless to say, I burn with yearnings for 'Silver Spring'.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 29, 2011, 09:49:46 PM
Mark, thank you very much for your input.
As you know I just make reports of the Weekly Shows and when some names are not o.k., this is just because I make pictures of plants/flowers and of the names put to them by the exhibitors. These will be corrected for the exhibitors after judging, but then I will be at home already.
And because I know not enough about Allium I send your comment to the exhibitor who send most entries, Wietse Mellema. He told me that he once already had contact with you, but somehow this contact was not continued. He would very much like to have contact with you again. I will send you his Mail address in a PM later.
He could answer many of your questions, but did this in Dutch and asked me to translate for him and contribute to the Forum. I hope that I will find some time soon to do so.

For now to your first question:
 
Quote
Are the ones listed as Allium nev. 06-06, Allium nev. 06-9, Allium nev. 06-11, and Allium nev. 06-11 cl., are all of these Allium nevskianum?  What do the numbers indicate?
The numbers NEV 06-06, 06-9, 06-11 / 06-11 cl are all seedling from a cross of Allium nevskianum as mother and Allium sarawschanicum as the father.

Later more.


Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 29, 2011, 10:30:02 PM
Thankfully, I never really got around to calling Alliums as Nectaroscordum, even A. bulgaricum  or siculum, so I can happily go along as before. I find many such plants revert to "old" names, if one waits long enough. ;D

Believe it or not, I do, actually like the mutant 'Blue Parrot,' especially in a tight bunch like that. Maybe not in the garden. My mother had the old single version along with some others.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on May 30, 2011, 01:52:36 AM
Mark, thank you very much for your input.

And because I know not enough about Allium I send your comment to the exhibitor who send most entries, Wietse Mellema. He told me that he once already had contact with you, but somehow this contact was not continued. He would very much like to have contact with you again. I will send you his Mail address in a PM later.

Later more.


Thanks Luit.  I don't recall anyone by the name of Wietse Mellema contacting me, but then again, I get so much email maybe the correspondence got lost in my overflowing inbox. :-[

The seedling crosses of Allium nevskianum and Allium sarawschanicum are very exciting.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on May 30, 2011, 01:59:58 AM
Thankfully, I never really got around to calling Alliums as Nectaroscordum, even A. bulgaricum  or siculum, so I can happily go along as before. I find many such plants revert to "old" names, if one waits long enough. ;D

I still consider siculum and bulgaricum as Nectaroscordum; I'm ahead of my time as I fully believe they'll be spun off once again as the separate genus Nectaroscordum, where each tepal has 3-7 veins, instead of 1 vein in Allium.


Believe it or not, I do, actually like the mutant 'Blue Parrot,' especially in a tight bunch like that. Maybe not in the garden.

Just when you think you know someone, they surprise you ;D 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerry Webster on May 30, 2011, 10:08:56 AM
Thankfully, I never really got around to calling Alliums as Nectaroscordum, even A. bulgaricum  or siculum, so I can happily go along as before. I find many such plants revert to "old" names, if one waits long enough. ;D
I still consider siculum and bulgaricum as Nectaroscordum; I'm ahead of my time as I fully believe they'll be spun off once again as the separate genus Nectaroscordum, where each tepal has 3-7 veins, instead of 1 vein in Allium.
I know nothing about Allium nor, though I grow it, about Nectaroscordum. Do taxonomists really believe that the number of veins in the tepals is a sufficient ground for distinguishing two genera? Surely there must be other characters? Even in Narcissus, a chaotic genus, a difference in the number of veins only serves to distinguish varieties (of N. bulbocodium subsp. praecox).
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 02, 2011, 09:57:43 PM

The one shown as "Allium loratum" is misidentified.  Plants erroneously identified under this name are long established in cultivation, the true identity is typically A. decipiens (in one of its forms) or something else.  Allium loratum is a dwarf alpine species from Western Himalaya and Tibet, growing just 3-6" tall, and with white flowers, described by Baker in 1874.

Mark, here is the next (translated) answer to your comments:

We bought 1 bulb of Allium loratum for US $ 20.- from Janis Ruksans in 2003.
What we have grown from this bulb is about 60 cms high and flowers more than 6 weeks.
There were more entries with this Allium under the same name and we have it under this name because it is supposed to come from a knowledgeable person….. ::)
Allium decipiens is totally different, just the flower color is like that a bit.
As far as we know is Allium loratum rather close to Allium giganteum what is feasible to us as having the same density in the flower heads.

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on June 03, 2011, 03:20:09 AM

The one shown as "Allium loratum" is misidentified.  Plants erroneously identified under this name are long established in cultivation, the true identity is typically A. decipiens (in one of its forms) or something else.  Allium loratum is a dwarf alpine species from Western Himalaya and Tibet, growing just 3-6" tall, and with white flowers, described by Baker in 1874.

Mark, here is the next (translated) answer to your comments:

We bought 1 bulb of Allium loratum for US $ 20.- from Janis Ruksans in 2003.
What we have grown from this bulb is about 60 cms high and flowers more than 6 weeks.
There were more entries with this Allium under the same name and we have it under this name because it is supposed to come from a knowledgeable person….. ::)
Allium decipiens is totally different, just the flower color is like that a bit.
As far as we know is Allium loratum rather close to Allium giganteum what is feasible to us as having the same density in the flower heads.

Thanks for the translated comments.  Regarding Allium loratum, the reality is, the true species is completely unlike A. giganteum. As I stated, the original description is that A. loratum is a dwarf species from Tibet, 10,000-14,000 feet, with stems that only reach 3-6" (7.5-15 cm) high and with WHITE flowers with light brown midveins.  This dwarf alpine species is published in The Journal of Botany, British and Foreign, article entitled "On the Alliums of India, China, and Japan", by J.G. Baker, Vol.III page 290, published 1874.  The description of Allium loratum also appears in The Flora of British India by Sir J.D. Hooker, Vol. VI. Orchideae to Cyperaceae, published in 1894.  I'm happy to scan and post the original latin description and the later english description for everyone to see first hand.

What has happened is that somewhere along the way, many decades ago, a misidentified plant started going around erroneously as A. loratum, with the mistake repeated for so many decades, that now the mistake is totally entrenched in horticulture... no one has bothered to check plants under this name with the original description, thus a universal misnomer is born.  It is not relevant that the plant was obtained from a knowledgeable grower, or that the plant might come from a respected horticultural institution, according to Dr. Reinhard Fritsch, nearly half of Allium specimens cultivated in many botanical institutions are misidentified.  Everywhere I have looked, where so-called A. loratum is being sold, even by trusted nurseries, the plant is most definitely misidentified. I suspect some people will choose to ignore the enlightenment, although I hope that nurseries will instead take it upon themselves to compare their plants to the original published descriptions of the species to realize the mistake. 

Allium loratum of horticulture is invariably misidentified, and has been for so long, everyone just figures what they're seeing under this name must be right.  I've grown plants under this name, which turned out instead to be forms of A. decipiens and also A. hymenorrhizum; probably other species are also masquerading as A. "loratum".

There is past precedent for this long-term universal misidentification. For many decades what was sold as Allium aflatunense in the Dutch bulb trade was finally acknowledged to be incorrectly identified and not the true A. aflatunense.  In this case the name Allium hollandicum was ultimately devised to help clear the muddle, the newer name applied to the mistaken "aflatunense".
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 03, 2011, 10:59:24 PM

Regarding Allium "auctum", the species name is an invalid one, which depending on the original author citation, refer instead to A. cyrillii, decipiens, or a pink-flowered form of A. nigrum.  I've grown plants under the "auctum" name twice, one plant ended up being A. nigrum in a nice pink form (looks like your plant) and the other time it ended up being A. cyrillii (which I was pleased with, because A. cyrillii in horticulture is usually replaced by Allium senescens).
Thanks Mark for these interesting comments about A. loratum, which I will pass to the KAVB nomenclature Committee for further discussions.

The so called repeating mistakes sound rather familiar to me and I think that there are for sure more Allium names with the same problem.
I will put a picture of another Allium which seems to suffer under the same problem in the Allium thread.


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This dwarf alpine species is published in The Journal of Botany, British and Foreign, article entitled "On the Alliums of India, China, and Japan", by J.G. Baker, Vol.III page 290, published 1874.  The description of Allium loratum also appears in The Flora of British India by Sir J.D. Hooker, Vol. VI. Orchideae to Cyperaceae, published in 1894.  I'm happy to scan and post the original latin description and the later english description for everyone to see first hand.
Interesting to read in the Flora of India that Baker says about A. loratum:
Judging for the very imperfect specimens, closely resembles Allium narcissifolium, Linn…

Now to the next one, Allium “auctum”:
Wietse writes: Allium auctum was found by us on Crete. We always called it a pink form of Allium nigrum, but were told that it might be Allium auctum and since we put that name to it.
We do have Allium cyrillii as well and in my eyes best compared with a longer/bigger form of Allium senescens, (of which we have about 20 different types).
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on June 04, 2011, 04:06:14 AM
Interesting to read in the Flora of India that Baker says about A. loratum:
Judging for the very imperfect specimens, closely resembles Allium narcissifolium, Linn…


Actually, it is Sir J.D. Hooker that adds English commentary to the Allium loratum entry in Flora of India in 1894, not Baker; but it must be remembered that Baker's original latin publication of the species 20 years earlier describes a dwarf alpine species with white flowers, and in Baker's 1874 publication where a number of new species are described, Allium taxonomy is in its infancy.  The analogy drawn by Hooker 20 years later to A. narcissiflorum is based upon the days when relatively little was know about Allium taxonomy, as the two species are completely unrelated. In the same Hooker description, he mentions that A. loratum is also near A. atropurpureum except much shorter and with paler flowers... certainly naive comparisons by today's standards... but then again, Hooker largely replicates the original Allium loratum description by Baker of a dwarf alpine species with white flowers.  The original Baker description compares Allium loratum to Allium akaka (syn. A. latifolium) and A. colchicifolium, again somewhat naive in terms of today's taxonomy, but actually somewhat closer in comparing dwarf Allium species having wider (rather than thin thready) leaves.


Now to the next one, Allium “auctum”:
Wietse writes: Allium auctum was found by us on Crete. We always called it a pink form of Allium nigrum, but were told that it might be Allium auctum and since we put that name to it.
We do have Allium cyrillii as well and in my eyes best compared with a longer/bigger form of Allium senescens, (of which we have about 20 different types).

According to The Plant list, Allium auctum Omelczuk is a synonym of Allium cyrilli Ten.  Flora Europaea places A. auctum Omelczuk as "from Krym, with pinkish-violet perianth, is doubtfully distinct from [Allium nigrum]".  Now consider, that Allium nigrum, particularly in the pink forms, comes close to Allium cyrillii.  The name Allium "auctum" is NOT an accepted name, and is either a synonym for A. cyrillii (true) or A. nigrum.

Plants labeled as A. cyrillii in cultivation are 99% or 100% replaced by Allium senescens.  This fact makes perfect sense when I read the statement "We do have Allium cyrillii as well and in my eyes best compared with a longer/bigger form of Allium senescens".  Allium cyrillii is a bulbous species of section Melanocrommyum, closely allied to A. nigrum... one of the few European Melanocrommyum Allium species, whereas Allium senescens is a rhizomatous species that is completely unlike Allium cyrillii.  By the way, if one grows about 100 Allium "species" from the seed exchanges, 30 will end up being Allium senescens, 20 will be either A. cernuum, cyathophorum var. farreri, or schoenoprasum, another 20 will be misidentified as some other species, and only the remaining 30 percent will be true to name. Back to A. cyrillii, there are some good photos of this excellent and distinct species on the web from one good source, as well as my own photos that compare well, I'm happy to provide these links.  Most of what one finds online parrots the same misidentifation, showing Allium senescens forms as this species ::)  Pink forms of Allium nigrum are exactly that, pink forms of Allium nigrum!  The name A. "auctum" is invalid, and has always been regarded as such.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: wmel on June 05, 2011, 12:35:54 AM
Posted by: TheOnionMan

Allium dolichostylum (note spelling), looks very interesting.  Can't vouch for identity, I'd need to see more of the plant, but a most interesting look to the flowers, and pretty color combination too.  Fine bouquets of Allium hyalinum and A. litvinowii.

I post a picture of allium dolichostylum flower and one of the plant / leaf
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on June 05, 2011, 05:16:45 AM

I post a picture of allium dolichostylum flower and one of the plant / leaf

Wietse, that's a fine looking allium, the blended two-tone red to white flowers are most attractive.  Does this species set seed for you?  What is the source of your plants?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: wmel on June 05, 2011, 10:22:24 AM

Wietse, that's a fine looking allium, the blended two-tone red to white flowers are most attractive.  Does this species set seed for you?  What is the source of your plants?

Ii is not a easy allium, it's making seed, but only a few germinate.
allium dolychostilum "bulbs" are a little like allium plummerae but then smaller. When I leave them in the ground al year the get lost bit by bit, so I harvest them in the summer and store them hot and dry until planting again in oktober, That way the survive but don't make many new "bulbs". :(
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: wmel on June 05, 2011, 10:32:11 AM
What is the source of your plants?

sorry, I forgot. I bought this allium from Janis Ruksans in 2005 (see his catalog)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 05, 2011, 09:41:37 PM

The photo showing Allium caroliniaum is misidentified, A. carolinianum has narrow cupped flowers that barely open (almost "pinched") with the long protruding stamens just squeezing by the closed florets, thus having a very different look.  Without seeing the foliage and bulbs I can't say for sure what it is, but definitely not A. carolinianum.

Wietse’s answer at Allium carolinianum:
Allium carolinianum is offered in the trade by several companies, but I was told several times that it probably is not A. carolinianum. Until I don’t know what it is I keep this name for my plants.
An Allium which flowers resemble very much my plants is Allium stellatum.
The difference between the two Allium is the color of the bulbs. Our A. carolinianum has white bulbs and A. stellatum (origin J. Ruksans) has pinkish/red bulbs.

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Actually, it is Sir J.D. Hooker that adds English commentary to the Allium loratum entry in Flora of India in 1894, not Baker;
Yes, I understand but....

I think it is o.k. showing here the scans from The Journal of Botany, British and Foreign, article entitled "On the Alliums of India, China, and Japan", by J.G. Baker, Vol.III page 290, published 1874

and of The Flora of British India by Sir J.D. Hooker, Vol. VI. Orchideae to Cyperaceae, published in 1894
 (where you may see what I did read and wrote in my comment)
Nothing wrong with my eyes  :D ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 10, 2011, 10:14:03 PM
Here are at last some pictures of this week.
Making pictures at the Show is no problem. But for naming and resizing I need lots of time which I hardly had these days
I hope you'll enjoy them though.

Paeonia Cora Stubbs                                 
Paeonia Coral Sunset                                   
Paeonia Mandaleen                                     
Paeonia Vivid Rose
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 10, 2011, 10:17:04 PM
Lilium martagon hybr. Claude Stride                   
Allium Eros
Muscari massayanum                                   
Oxalis lasiandra                                 
Ixia Jesse 
 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 10, 2011, 10:20:37 PM
and some of the special entries for the Iris competition.
The variation and colors are still improving.
Iris hollandica   
Iris holl. Autumn Princess cl                         
Iris holl. Autumn Princess                         
Iris holl. Cappuchino                                 
Iris holl. Cream Beauty                               
Iris holl. Golden Eagle                             
Iris holl. Pink Panther                             
Iris holl. Silvery Beauty                     
Iris holl. Sky Beauty     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ezeiza on June 10, 2011, 10:24:41 PM
Thanks Luit, once more.

It is interesting to see the Mexican Oxalis lasiandra. Sadly, all the stuff in cultivation seems to be virused.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on June 10, 2011, 10:31:06 PM
As usual the selection is both diverse and exciting, Luit.
The red Ixia is elegant and the Muscari rather strange... I like them both. And as for that P. 'Vivid Rose..... just the prettiest colour! 8)

The Iris fans will be lusting after the ose colours, too. They just don't like my garden, though they grow in other s around here.  ???
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on June 11, 2011, 10:26:14 AM
The coral coloured paeony is a beautiful colour - I can just imagine it with nepeta in the garden.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 11, 2011, 11:58:14 PM

Just when you think you know someone, they surprise you ;D 

I try not to disappoint. :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 26, 2011, 09:44:54 PM
This week I suddenly have been locked out of the forum for several days and did not have
any access to the SRGC Web Site.
I planned to send in some pictures of the Show on Thursday but that was not possible.
Now at last I found sometime to do so and hope you'll enjoy them though.

There was a collection of some older and some very new cultivars of Triteleia:

Triteleia Allure                           
Triteleia Rudy                       
Triteleia Corinna                           
Triteleia hyacinthina                     
Triteleia Ocean Queen                           

Triteleia Pink Heaven                       
Triteleia Chrystal Pink                       
Triteleia Power Point   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 26, 2011, 09:46:19 PM
Interesting to see was a plant of Albuca spiralis shown by a member who just acquired this and
brought to the show for particular interest:                   

Albuca spiralis       
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 26, 2011, 09:49:16 PM
and some other varied entries:

Allium acuminatum                             
Allium Twinkling Star                         
Amorphophallus bulbifer                     
Ixia Blue Bird                                 
Ornithogalum sochii                             
Astilbe                                         
Dichelostemma seedling                         
Fritillaria przewalskii    probably one of the latest flowering frits?                       

Bloomeria crocea var. aurea

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on June 26, 2011, 09:53:14 PM
Oh my word! Whata selection this week  :o 8)
I had no idea of such Triteleia selections.... 'Rudy' is so beautiful.

Are you sure the exhibitor has not applied excess electricity to that Albuca? Or too much hair perming lotion? ;)
Then an onion with more flowers packed into a ball than sems possible...... and any number of other wonders..... such a late Frit. and that pretty Dichelostemma ...... all a real treat.... learning more every week, Luit , from your pictures.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 26, 2011, 10:01:10 PM

 Or too much hair perming lotion? ;)


?? not necessarily maybe  .... dread locks ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on June 26, 2011, 10:06:24 PM

 Or too much hair perming lotion? ;)


?? not necessarily maybe  .... dread locks ;)

 8) Very good, I hadn't thought of that possibility.
 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on June 26, 2011, 10:14:00 PM
Wonderful Tritelias, thanks for showing us Luit.  The Albuca spiralis is super 8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on June 26, 2011, 10:22:33 PM
Superb, Luit ... many thanks once again.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Ezeiza on June 26, 2011, 10:40:11 PM
Maggi,  the plant respond to proper watering. With desert conditions it is "curly". With more (inadequate) watering the leaves unfurl and adopt a "normal" appearance.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on June 26, 2011, 10:53:04 PM
Maggi,  the plant respond to proper watering. With desert conditions it is "curly". With more (inadequate) watering the leaves unfurl and adopt a "normal" appearance.
Thank you, Alberto. I assumed the  foliage would be curled in any conditions, I am surprised to learn that over-watering would affect the degree of curl. Most interesting.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 30, 2011, 11:30:08 AM
I can tell you that those Triteleia from last week kept at ca. 15 C. in the hall
on this Monday still made a very good performance.

Here a few more Triteleia and some Brodiaea

Triteleia Koningin Fabiola
Triteleia Dexter
Brodiaea purdyi   
Brodiaea californicum                     
Brodiaea elegans
                               
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on June 30, 2011, 11:32:17 AM
and some other entries:
                         
Babiana stricta                         
Homeria aurantiaca                           
Homeria ochroleuca                           
Sprekelia formosissima
Ixia Eos                                       
Leucocoryne Dione
Leucocoryne Andes
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 06, 2011, 09:52:01 PM
This week a color spectacle in the Show Hall with many flowering perennials:
                                 
Echinacea Caroussell                         
Echinacea double mixed                               
Echinacea Hot Fragrance                               
Echinacea Meditation                                   
Echinacea Summer Breeze                           
 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 06, 2011, 09:58:56 PM
Crocosmia Lucifer x A.J. Hogan   
Begonia semperflorens Cherry Blossom
Lilium formosana White Crane      I am not sure if this is the same as L. formosana var pricei  (old wine in new bottles??) ???                   
Lilium Red Velvet                                     
Phygelius recta Cherry Ripe                           
Triteleia double seedl. 1                           
Triteleia double seedl. 2                             
Triteleia peduncularis
and one pan of myself    :D
Hermannia stricta           
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on July 06, 2011, 10:46:00 PM
Beautiful, Luit, thank you.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 06, 2011, 10:47:48 PM
I like Echinacea 'Hot Fragrance.' Reminds me of our Cain - Shaggy dog. I hope the fragrance in the name is pleasanter though ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 07, 2011, 12:40:29 AM
Wow, Luit, :o
those new echinaceas are nothing to sneeze at! ::)
 ;D

I must tell my Triteleia peduncularis that it can develop a stem! It flowered last year with the stem at ground level and the pedicels lifting the florets clear of the soil!
Thanks again, Luit,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 20, 2011, 07:01:10 PM
Among the many entries these weeks of Gladiolus and Agapanthus there are always some other plants to see as well.
Here some of my choices:   

Gladiolus                                               
Glamourglads
Chasmanthe floribunda                               
Chasmanthe floribunda Golden Wave                     
Chasmanthe floribunda var. duckittii
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 20, 2011, 07:03:15 PM
Agapanthus                                       
Agapanthus Senna                                       
Crocosmia Culzean Pink x  A. J. Hogan                     
Crocosmia Culzean Pink     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 20, 2011, 07:04:32 PM
Some new small flowered gladiolus hybrids         
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 20, 2011, 07:05:17 PM
Lilium Vico Queen                                           
Lilium Lady Alice   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 20, 2011, 07:06:08 PM
and finally a nice new Eucomis hybrid:

Eucomis hybr.               
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on July 20, 2011, 07:07:13 PM
Yes that is a nice one Luit, thanks for showing us, I'll be interested to know it's name in due course ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ArnoldT on July 21, 2011, 02:06:52 AM
Luit:

Do you know if the Lilium Vico Queen had the hand of the late Sir Peter Smithers in it's background?

Arnold
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: rob krejzl on July 21, 2011, 02:27:02 AM
Quote
Do you know if the Lilium Vico Queen had the hand of the late Sir Peter Smithers in it's background?

My apologies for answering this instead of Luit.

Vico Queen is indeed one of Smithers' registered hybrids, part of his Vico Afro group. The RHS Lily group Newsletter #64 contains an article by him describing something of it's background.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on July 21, 2011, 04:21:15 AM
Good stuff, so showy!  Love the Glamourglads, Chasmanthe and Agapanthus.  I must say, on my screen, Crocosmia Culzean Pink looks blazing red-orange and not pink at all; is it really a pink color?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ArnoldT on July 21, 2011, 12:19:05 PM
Rob;

Thanks, It has L. Sulpherum in its background doesn't it.

Arnold
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 21, 2011, 09:10:34 PM
Very pleased to see the Chasmanthe in flower as I have a dozen strong seedlings at present. I had no idea what it would be like. Seed from a kindly and generous Forumist. :)

Last summer there were some Glamourglads in packets in local garden centres. I was almost tempted. Maybe next summer. :-\
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 21, 2011, 09:44:02 PM
Yes that is a nice one Luit, thanks for showing us, I'll be interested to know it's name in due course ;)
Brian, I was sure that you would like this one ;)
At this moment it has only a number, but it is asked to be planted out in the KAVB Garden for judging and I am sure it will receive a name soon.   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 21, 2011, 09:45:54 PM
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Do you know if the Lilium Vico Queen had the hand of the late Sir Peter Smithers in it's background?

My apologies for answering this instead of Luit.

Vico Queen is indeed one of Smithers' registered hybrids, part of his Vico Afro group. The RHS Lily group Newsletter #64 contains an article by him describing something of it's background.
Thanks Rob, I did not know this at all, but probably would have found it somewhere :-\                     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on July 21, 2011, 09:50:52 PM
Good stuff, so showy!  Love the Glamourglads, Chasmanthe and Agapanthus.  I must say, on my screen, Crocosmia Culzean Pink looks blazing red-orange and not pink at all; is it really a pink color?
Mark, I made the picture amidst only orange flowers and the camera did not justice the colour right.
I can show another picture made by someone else using flash. He was not satisfied about his result but the real colour is about between both pictures.
Just slightly more pinkish than orange.
                                     
Many pictures of Crocosmia species and hybrids may be seen here
http://www.theafricangarden.com/iridaceae_iris_family_image_index.html (http://www.theafricangarden.com/iridaceae_iris_family_image_index.html)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: rob krejzl on July 21, 2011, 11:01:53 PM
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Rob;

Thanks, It has L. Sulpherum in its background doesn't it.

Yes. He viewed it as part of an attempt to combine the qualities of sulphureum with better garden worthiness.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: TheOnionMan on July 22, 2011, 12:41:04 AM
Mark, I made the picture amidst only orange flowers and the camera did not justice the colour right.
I can show another picture made by someone else using flash. He was not satisfied about his result but the real colour is about between both pictures.
Just slightly more pinkish than orange.
                                     
Many pictures of Crocosmia species and hybrids may be seen here
http://www.theafricangarden.com/iridaceae_iris_family_image_index.html (http://www.theafricangarden.com/iridaceae_iris_family_image_index.html)

Thanks Luit, it does look more towards the hot pink spectrum in that photo.  Yes, I'm familiar with Mr. Fenwick's web pages, most excellent, always worth another look!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 08, 2011, 07:31:38 AM
During the last weeks we saw many entries of Gladiolus, Agapanthus, Crocosmia etc.
Today (at last) :-[ :) I found some time for resizing and naming my pictures and I can show some
that I choose.

overview
Gladiolus Helvetia                                     
Helenium Hot Lava
Crocosmia                                                 
Crocosmia x crocosmiiflora Jackanapes 1                     
Crocosmia x crocosmiiflora Jackanapes 2
Crocosmia Honey Angel                                     
Crocosmia Prince of Holland
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 08, 2011, 07:33:43 AM
Lots of Agapanthus were shown, here a few nice newer hybrids:
Agapanthus Cas                                             
Agapanthus Happy Blue
and
Eucomis [Erundu]                                           
Lilium Black Beauty                                       
Lilium lankongense                                         
Tropaeolum tuberosum Ken Aslet                             
x Rhodoxis Ruby Giant                                         
                           
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on August 08, 2011, 09:23:00 AM
Thanks Luit, one or two nice things there ;)  The first time I recall seeing cut blooms of Tropaeolum tuberosum Ken Aslet displayed in a show!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 09, 2011, 01:44:17 AM
Whatever was I thinking of? Today I went to a local garden centre to get some gumboots (wellies) as Roger said they had flowery ones that would suit me. Yes they would have but cost $84 so I left them there. But I was caught up in a display of dahlia tubers and gladiolus corms and bought some of each. These are NOT my thing but the dahlias were so dark red, cactus types called Blackbird, almost black and Black Touch, a very deep red, that I couldn't resist. I love very dark red flowers. I also bought one called Avignon which is a pink, lightly splashed with red, but overall sort of smoky. Then I bought 3 corms each of Glad. Regency, also very deep red and a bright lime green called Hint o' Mint. They would be more at home on this thread than in my garden, so we shall see what happens later in the year. ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 23, 2011, 06:37:03 PM
Looking at the many entries with Eucomis, we may expect lots of improvement in the near future.
Good colors for garden plants and also cutflowers with better scent.
                       
Eucomis autumnalis x E. montanus                 
Eucomis vandermerwei
Eucomis [Minituft red]
Eucomis comosa Reuben                           
Eucomis comosa rose                               
Eucomis comosa Johannesburg                       
Eucomis punctata
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 23, 2011, 06:39:51 PM
and various other interesting entries:
Agapanthus Anita                                   
Zantedeschia
Colchicum bivonae Apollo                         
Colchicum Gracia                                 
Crocosmia                                     
Tritonia laxifolia                               
Tritonia lineata var. parvifolia                   
Watsonia meriana
Dahlia                             
Dahlia Striped Vulcan           
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on August 23, 2011, 07:00:31 PM
Some lovely Eucomis Luit, I especially like the minituft Red and Johannesburg   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on August 23, 2011, 07:26:35 PM
To be quite honest, I am amazed to see this variety in the Eucomis. What a treat!
And what about the breadth of selection of others... so much for those folks who complain there are not late summer bulbs for colour!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on August 23, 2011, 11:10:28 PM
Some lovely Eucomis Luit, I especially like the minituft Red and Johannesburg   ;D ;D
Yes Brian, I can tell you that I made the picture of Johannesburg a week after it was brought into the show and now another week later it was still standing like a soldier in the vase and not hanging over like many other new hybrids. Definitely one to look out for in near future.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 07, 2011, 07:06:39 PM
This autumn many bulbs are flowering about a month earlier than usual.
May we expect an early winther after such an early autumn ???? ( and here the first autumn gale yesterday)  ::)::)

Well looking in the Show Hall this week and spotting an entry with Hyacinths, the answer is yes  ;)

Hyacinthus                                                       
Narcissus triandrus seedl. 
Dahlia Red Flamboyant                                           
Dahlia seedl.   
Bessera elegans                                                   
Colchicum                   
Colchicum Glory of Heemstede [syn. C. Conquest]                                                     
Crocosmia aurea     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 07, 2011, 07:09:27 PM
and some more:

Dahlia [Little Darling]                                           
Dahlia Maziroth                                                   
Dahlia Purple Pearl                                               
Nerine Belladonna hybr.                                     
Nerine bowdenii hybr                                         
Nerine bowdenii hybr (2)                                             
Haemanthus x clarkei cl.                                           
Haemanthus x clarkei
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on September 07, 2011, 08:44:29 PM
My word, what a fine ...and wide.... selection.
For a moment I thought I had stumbled onto a SPRING page, because of those Hyacinths   :o ::) :D 8) 8)

After another wet  day it is especially good to see these perfect blooms. I know I am not the only person, Luit, to be grateful for your work in bringing us these photos. :-*     Even if they do make me think I could use a bigger garden.......
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: angie on September 07, 2011, 10:41:57 PM
Great pictures. Really like the Haemanthus x clarkei flowers  8).

Angie :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on September 08, 2011, 12:57:17 PM
Enough to cheer the cockles of your heart, a wonderful display again, thanks Luit, the Dahlia Purple Pearl is very attractive.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: jshields on September 10, 2011, 12:55:52 AM
Great pictures. Really like the Haemanthus x clarkei flowers  8).

Angie :)

So do I!  I'm glad to see someone doing something with them.

Jim
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 11, 2011, 09:46:05 PM
I am very happy that you still like my pictures. I  already showed too many here though, don't you think  ??? :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: angie on September 11, 2011, 10:17:38 PM
I am very happy that you still like my pictures. I  already showed too many here though, don't you think  ??? :)

NEVER, we enjoy these lovely pictures. Keep them coming.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on September 11, 2011, 10:58:49 PM
Angela, you took the words from my keyboard!

Luit, we very much appreciate your reports, if, of course, you can spare the time to prepare them for us. I know it is a lot of work.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ArnoldT on September 12, 2011, 12:47:04 AM
Luit:

Is there such a thing as to much chocolate?

Arnold

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 12, 2011, 06:48:43 AM
Hello Luit
fantastic pics and fantastic autumn flowers
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on September 12, 2011, 07:59:27 AM
I am very happy that you still like my pictures. I  already showed too many here though, don't you think  ??? :)

Hi Luit ... we hope the above was just a senior moment!!!    ;D

To date there have been 57,492 views of this topic ... surely those figures say it all.   ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on September 12, 2011, 08:49:53 AM
Luit, we very much appreciate your reports, if, of course, you can spare the time to prepare them for us. I know it is a lot of work.

Absolutely...but where would I be without my occasional fix of Galanthus and Eucomis ;)  Seriously though Luit, your postings are really something to look forward to, on a par with the bulblog ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on September 12, 2011, 09:31:53 AM
Keep 'em coming Luit.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on September 12, 2011, 09:57:50 PM

Hi Luit ... we hope the above was just a senior moment!!!    ;D


senior….. who??   me ??? :-[ :o :o
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on September 13, 2011, 09:10:34 AM
never- ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 18, 2011, 07:44:45 PM
After a rather long absence here some new pictures from the Weekly Show:
 
Colchicum baytopiorum               
Crocus robertianus                     
Narcissus elegans                     

and an unnamed white flowering (hybrid?) of xAmarcrinum

xAmarcrinum                       
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on October 18, 2011, 08:27:25 PM
That pretty x amarcrinum is doing a fine job of copying the exquisite colouring of Colchium byzantinum album  8) The pink tips are just lovely.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ChrisB on October 18, 2011, 10:54:47 PM
Lovely pics Luit, we missed you at the Discussion Weekend.....
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on October 19, 2011, 11:50:58 AM
I had to make choices Chris  ;D ;D :D
Have a look at the picture which I made from the terrace where we lived in Austria. What would YOU do ????
Almost 3 weeks every day a blue sky is something else than 3 days in rainy and windy Scotland  ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ChrisB on October 19, 2011, 12:43:13 PM
 :o I sight for sore eyes, that's for sure.  We just wouldn't be able to compete with that!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 02, 2011, 10:54:04 PM
Just im time back from a short trip to Austria (again)  :D to take a few pictures of the weekly Show this Monday.
In this time of year there are not so many flowers to see, but every week we see some interesting things.
For instance a Sauromatum, grown without soil or water on the windowsill and setting seed
                       
Sauromatum venosum                                 
and some vey nice flowering Schyzostylis in pots:

Schizostylis coccineus Major                     
Schizostylis Sunrise               
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on November 02, 2011, 10:59:56 PM
What a weird little thing the Sauromatum is Luit. By the way the Taxonomists have been at it again and Schyzostylis are now Hesperantha. Whatever they are called it's been a good year for them in the gardens around here.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 09, 2011, 10:21:28 PM
David, I've almost given up to follow the "modern"? Taxonomist. Just able to remember Schizostylis and write the name properly and now I would have to put a new name to an old plant, na... , forget it ::) ::) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 09, 2011, 10:22:48 PM
Just a few pictures this week. Until the bulb season will start not many entries now.
             
Cyclamen cyprium                         
Galanthus cilicicus                   
Crocus laevigatus Dark Form 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on November 09, 2011, 10:24:46 PM
David, I've almost given up to follow the "modern"? Taxonomist. Just able to remember Schizostylis and write the name properly and now I would have to put a new name to an old plant, na... , forget it ::) ::) ;D ;D

I'm with you all the way Luit.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 23, 2011, 10:03:17 PM
During this time of the year the Show Committee is happy with every entry brought in.
Even when a (rather rare) annual plant is shown.
We saw a huge plant of Tagetes minuta. "minuta"is for the very small flowers but the plant itself
reached the enormous height of 3.5 meters (15 feet) !!
     
Tagetes minuta
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 23, 2011, 10:07:56 PM
There were some Cyclamen and Narcissus too.
A Lachenalia and also, not often seen here, the not hardy shrub Dichroa.
And last but not least a nice bulb of Bowiea volubilis                 
                         
Cyclamen elegans                 
Cyclamen pseud-ibericum                           
Lachenalia viridiflora               
Narcissus papyraceus    a nice short form!             
Narcissus papyraceus cl.                     
Dichroa febrifuga
Bowiea volubilis
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 23, 2011, 10:50:11 PM
I love the Bowiea. ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: angie on November 24, 2011, 07:44:08 AM
Isn't it great to see the variety of flowers at the show  8)

Angie :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 24, 2011, 10:07:04 PM
Yes Angie, it is! Every week again there is something that surprises us too :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on November 24, 2011, 10:23:28 PM
Well, the 3.5m Tagetes certainly surprised us here! :o

I'm a bit worried about that Bowiea, though... are we SURE it is a plant for show and not a vegetable for the committee's lunch?!  :-\
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: arisaema on November 24, 2011, 10:43:19 PM
You should tell the grower of the Dichroa to give it some alum (potassium aluminium sulfate), it's much nicer in blue. The Guizhou clone is hardy in Seattle, so it may be worth trying outside in the Netherlands as well.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 25, 2011, 03:39:51 AM
I'm a bit worried about that Bowiea, though... are we SURE it is a plant for show and not a vegetable for the committee's lunch?!  :-\

I thought so, served in wedges with a lemon and garlic dressing, garnished with a sprig of mint. ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 25, 2011, 06:59:05 PM
You should tell the grower of the Dichroa to give it some alum (potassium aluminium sulfate), it's much nicer in blue. The Guizhou clone is hardy in Seattle, so it may be worth trying outside in the Netherlands as well.
Thank you Ariseama, I will tell him about the Guizhou clone, maybe it is available here too.
I think that with the alum he will know, because this plant is relative to Hydrangea. But with very many different plants in a garden these are the things one seldom does to improve the color, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on November 25, 2011, 07:01:59 PM
I'm a bit worried about that Bowiea, though... are we SURE it is a plant for show and not a vegetable for the committee's lunch?!  :-\

I thought so, served in wedges with a lemon and garlic dressing, garnished with a sprig of mint. ;D
Are you ladies always hungry?  ??? ::)
Thank God it is safely on our windowsill and when I ever take a little piece off, this will be for propagating ;D :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 27, 2011, 11:23:22 PM
Spoilsport! ;D

Now that's interesting. In the email in my Inbox, of this post, Maggi and I are women, but here, we are ladies. Probably Luit, being always hungry as we are, you should have stuck with the "women" epithet. ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 02, 2011, 11:01:49 PM
Spoilsport! ;D

Now that's interesting. In the email in my Inbox, of this post, Maggi and I are women, but here, we are ladies. Probably Luit, being always hungry as we are, you should have stuck with the "women" epithet. ;D
Dear Lesley, when I did  read my lines again I had the feeling that I probably made a little mistake when talking about women.
Therefore I decided to do some upgrading. At least for you both :-* :-*
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 02, 2011, 11:04:15 PM
With some delay here a few pictures of last Monday's Show:
 
Astilbe                                         
Nerine Hera                 
Narcissus Nylon Group                         
Narcissus cantabricus Clusii                               
Galanthus plicatus Three Ships
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: majallison on December 03, 2011, 08:13:28 PM
Lovely pictures, Luit. That Nerine 'Hera' is definitely wrongly labelled ~ the plant pictured is almost certainly a Nerine undulata hybrid, possibly 'Pink Triumph', 'Hera' is sarniensis x bowdenii.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 03, 2011, 09:31:36 PM
Dear Lesley, when I did  read my lines again I had the feeling that I probably made a little mistake when talking about women.
Therefore I decided to do some upgrading. At least for you both :-* :-*

You are a lovely man Luit, especially when you send me such nice little parcels in the mail. ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 03, 2011, 11:04:38 PM
Lovely pictures, Luit. That Nerine 'Hera' is definitely wrongly labelled ~ the plant pictured is almost certainly a Nerine undulata hybrid, possibly 'Pink Triumph', 'Hera' is sarniensis x bowdenii.
Malcolm, I believe that this was the source of delivery some years ago: http://www.broadleighbulbs.co.uk/images/spring/miscnp/nerinehera1.jpg (http://www.broadleighbulbs.co.uk/images/spring/miscnp/nerinehera1.jpg)
Don't see much difference???
If it really is wrong I'll pass on your opinion.


Lesley, don't exaggerate..... ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: majallison on December 05, 2011, 02:11:30 PM
Yes, Luit, I am sure that the plant pictured is wrongly labelled. It has the characteristic 'doughnut' shaped flowerhead of N. undulata, & also N. undulata's floral symmetry. The plant pictured is also flowering late in the season, again a character of N. undulata & its hybrids.

True Nerine 'Hera' is rare, but there is a bed of it growing at Kew Gardens & the plants there appear to be un-virused; even rarer!

I'll see if I can find a photo of a true 'Hera' on the internet.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 05, 2011, 11:09:25 PM
Thank you for your description Malcolm! I hope you'll find a picture and then will make a copy and send it to the grower here.
What a pity that since years these wrong labelled plants are still offered in the trade :(
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: majallison on December 06, 2011, 10:02:40 PM
There's a photo of what looks like true Nerine 'Hera' on The African Garden website; it's not a brilliant picture & I don't think the colour is accurate (often a problem with photographing nerines), but it's the only one I could find...
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 11, 2011, 04:23:47 PM
Malcolm, I did some research about Nerine Hera  as well and found out that the Nerine and Amaryllid Society is the International Cultivar Registration Authority for Nerine.
If this authority did the work properly it should be impossible that two different plants get the same name.
Bob Brown of Cotswold Garden Flowers does mention TWO Nerine Hera:

Nerine 'Hera'
A bowdenii x sarniensis hybrid, bright pink flowers 45cm, Oct-Nov.

Nerine 'Hera' misnamed
See Nerine bowdenii 'Chris Sanders'.

Nerine bowdenii 'Chris Sanders'
Large deep pink flowers Oct-Dec, taller and more richly coloured than normal, 65cm. Easy, hardy. Leaves active all year. This is the most widespread clone in Ireland. Named 27/10/07 as 'Chris Sanders' by Margaret Owen.

The first might be the one you noticed growing at KEW Gardens.
The other one might be the one in trade and could be the Nerine Hera misnamed, now named as Nerine bowdenii 'Chris Sanders':

Is it possible that the Nerine Society can confirm that N. Chris Sanders is the same as the one I showed here?
And is there some member of the Nerine Society who possibly has made pictures of the plants at Kew
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: majallison on December 11, 2011, 09:21:07 PM
Luit, the name 'Hera' has only been correctly assigned to a Nerine hybrid once: this was in about 1910, by a man called Rose who lived in Oxford. The hybrid is a cross between Nerine bowdenii & (probably) Nerine 'Fothergillii Major', or another triploid sarniensis type. 'Hera' is a triploid. It is also very rare, & the name has been assigned by individuals, who have found darker coloured or winter-leafing bowdenii clones & have assumed (wrongly) that their plant is 'Hera'.

True 'Hera' does exist, as I stated earlier & can be found at the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew, as well as a number of private collections.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: majallison on December 11, 2011, 09:24:05 PM
Sorry ~ Luit, the plant you picture is NOT Nerine bowdenii 'Chris Sanders', the plant you have photographed so nicely is a hybrid of Nerine undulata.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 15, 2011, 10:21:07 PM
Malcolm, thank you so much for all the very detailed information and I can say that your information is very much appreciated by the grower of the "wrong" Nerine Hera.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 21, 2011, 10:48:58 PM
Here some pictures of the last Show in 2011.
It's strange to see pots full of snowdrops in mid December. Some flower a month earlier than normally.
Other bulbous plants only flower so early after special treatment
                                     
                                         
Galanthus elwesii Hiemalis Broadleigh Form                 
Galanthus elwesii sel.                                       
Galanthus Faringdon Double
Hyacinthus pink seedl.                                     
Hyacinthus Rembrandt                                         
Hyacinthus Red Glory                             
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 21, 2011, 10:49:39 PM
We were surprised to see a nice vase with Eucharis. We were told that it is possibly to
deliver these all year round now as cut flower.
 
Eucharis amazonica 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 21, 2011, 10:51:27 PM
and a few good looking tulips to finish.

Tulipa Donatello                                       
Tulipa Fort Knox                                           
Tulipa Oviedo                                               
Tulipa Cadans   
Tulipa Argos     

I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a very happy and healthy New Year.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on December 22, 2011, 09:06:28 AM
A great way to end the year, Luit!
Thanks again for taking us with you to see all these wonderful flowers!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on December 22, 2011, 12:58:04 PM
We were surprised to see a nice vase with Eucharis. We were told that it is possibly to
deliver these all year round now as cut flower.
 
Eucharis amazonica 

That will be fun to see in the florist's shop.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on December 22, 2011, 08:13:40 PM
Thanks for all the pics throughout the year Luit and looking forward to seeing them in 2012.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on December 22, 2011, 10:37:05 PM
The Eucharis is only a small product in Holland. The nursery which showed these flowers does grow in pots and as cut flowers on appr. 20.000 sq. meters.
The total area in Holland might be about 30.000 sq. meters!
Here is a link of the firm. Just click on the flag for the language and click at the different topics where foto's are shown as well and where you may read how to cultivate them at home in pots.
http://www.eucharis.nu/ (http://www.eucharis.nu/)
On another link you'll find an article (in Dutch) where you may get some impression of the way they are produced:
http://www.bloemenblad.nl/pdf/bc606b8caafb54ef87d32e5aace3b9c6.pdf (http://www.bloemenblad.nl/pdf/bc606b8caafb54ef87d32e5aace3b9c6.pdf)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on December 22, 2011, 10:46:05 PM
Superb information as always, Luit - and many thanks for all your efforts on our behalves throughout the year.  Seasons greetings to you both from Lancashire.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on January 18, 2012, 09:55:12 PM
At this first show of the new year the visitors could enjoy a nice variation of entries.
Of course many tulips and narcissus, but also snowdrops and several other bulbous plants were shown.
I selected some pictures to show here.

Tulipa Coquette Yellow   
Tulipa Violinde
Haemanthus deformis                             
Iris unguicularis Bob Thompson
Haemanthus pauculifolius                   

A little vase with Narcissus, which were picked from the field.
We were told that it's from a cross between N. asturiensis and N. Rijnveld's Early Sensation,
both well known as flowering very early.
           
Narcissus Dawn Chorus                     

Tulipa Columbus                                 
Tulipa Hennie van der Most                     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on January 18, 2012, 10:06:28 PM
What a good start to the new year, Luit.
I was just emailing you, thinking you'd got "lost"  on holiday again! ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 01, 2012, 07:08:30 PM
I'm afraid my pictures are rather blurred this time. When I was at home after the Show I noticed that I
accidentally made the pictures with the wrong focus.
But nevertheless I will show some of the better ones here  :-\
Hopefully they will cheer up some folks in this really cold winter weather today :D

Since 90 years in culture and still a good plant is Hyacinthus Pink Pearl.
Here some pictures of its Birthday and some descendants of this cultivar:

Hyacinthus Pink Pearl                         
Hyacinthus Pink Pearl 90  Yrs.                                 
Hyacinthus Pearls Passion
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 01, 2012, 07:11:54 PM
And some other entries:                     
               
Colchicum hungaricum Velebit Star                     
Crocus korolkowii Agalik         
Lachenalia aloides var. quadricolor               
Narcissus Galactic Star                             
Narcissus Johann Strauss                               
Narcissus Kiss Me                                   
Narcissus Wedding Bell                                   
Tulipa Dalyda                                           
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on February 01, 2012, 07:13:05 PM
I'm afraid my pictures are rather blurred this time. When I was at home after the Show I noticed that I
accidentally made the pictures with the wrong focus.

Are you sure you weren't just shivering in the cold Luit ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 01, 2012, 07:16:46 PM
Not on Monday Brian, but today I was everytime when I had to go outside. Strong N.E winds and just about - 3C , but when in the sun behind a hedge it was almost nice  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on February 01, 2012, 08:32:34 PM
You are correct, Luit... in this weather it is a pleasure to enjoy photos even  if they are not as perfect as your usual shots.
The plants are clear enough. Though I do not think they smell quite so good..... ;) ;D

What fun to have the pearls with the hyacinth. I could have sent over some pink ones... even better eh?!  ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 01, 2012, 10:52:02 PM
I'm afraid the Hyacinthus growers could not afford te pink ones ;D ;D :-X
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on February 01, 2012, 11:02:21 PM
I'm afraid the Hyacinthus growers could not afford te pink ones ;D ;D :-X

 Don't tell them.... they are cheaper!! ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 01, 2012, 11:10:45 PM
There you see, my knowledge of jewellery is not so good, hmmmm. But was able to see the ones on show were not true  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on February 01, 2012, 11:30:25 PM
There you see, my knowledge of jewellery is not so good, hmmmm. But was able to see the ones on show were not true  ::) ::) ::)

That is a good start!  ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on February 02, 2012, 02:18:45 PM
Narcissus Dawn Chorus is nice - how tall is it, Luit? I think I might attempt a similar cross.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: mark smyth on February 02, 2012, 05:47:42 PM
Dawn Chorus has been on my wants list for years. Anne I would say its a miniature but not tiny
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 08, 2012, 04:48:06 PM
Narcissus Dawn Chorus is nice - how tall is it, Luit? I think I might attempt a similar cross.
Anne, sorry for not finding your question earlier.
The flowers were picked on the field and were maybe 10-15 cm, but they might be go up to 20 cm. when getting warmer.
This year they will have been damaged by the really extreme frosts (for us :-\) here in February.
See the following posting ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 08, 2012, 04:52:56 PM
Despite the heavy cold of the days before there were a lot of flowers at the Show.
Being in the "warmer" coastal part of the Netherlands, we had Saturday in the night temps of
-17 C and during the following days the temps raised here to -7C to -10 C with sunhine in the afternoon.
Today there's almost no sun, temps raising to just -2C and very windy from N.E. Brrr. ::) ::) ::)

Here some flowers to cheer up :D

Narcissus
Narcissus Spring Sunshine                             
Narcissus Superstar                                       
Narcissus Lemon Silk
Narcissus The Alliance 1                               
Narcissus The Alliance cl.                               
Narcissus Toby the First                                   
Narcissus Topolino
Helleborus x nigercors Bob's Best close               
Helleborus x nigercors Bob's Best                   
                             
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 08, 2012, 04:56:51 PM
Eranthis hiemalis Schwefelglanz                                             
Tulipa                                           
Tulipa Devenish                                       
Tulipa Petticoat                                 
Tulipa Petticoat cl                                   
Tulipa Verona Sunrise                                   
Tulipa Voice of Holland                                   
Iris histrioides var. sophenensis                     
Iris reticulata Kuh-e-Abr     
Iris bakeriana
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on February 09, 2012, 12:40:42 PM
Looks very "springlike" Luit, lovely.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on February 09, 2012, 02:53:40 PM
Wonderful display. I like Narcissus Spring Sunshine and Narcissus Superstar especially .                   
   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 15, 2012, 10:33:35 PM
Looks very "springlike" Luit, lovely.
"Springlike" again this week  :D

This week many pots with Narcissus were in competition.
Very good quality was shown and (not only) for me was a pot with N. Peeping Tom with at least more than 100 flowers very impressive.
                           
Narcissus Peeping Tom                               
Narcissus Beau Geste                               
Narcissus Cornish King                               
Narcissus Foxhunter
Narcissus First Hope                                 
Narcissus Topolino                                     
Narcissus Jetfire                                     
Narcissus Kingham   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 15, 2012, 10:35:48 PM
Some more Narcissus:
                                       
Narcissus Mite                                     
Narcissus Mite cl                                       
Narcissus Rijnveld's Early Sensation                 
Narcissus Sherwood Forest                         
Narcissus Signor                                   
Narcissus tazetta Ziva                       
Narcissus Miti Moto
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 15, 2012, 10:37:22 PM
Almost every week lots of Lilium are shown here too, this week I had to make a picture of
a red flowering one.
And finally amongst the other entries there was a nice Hyacinthella.
 
Lilium Deep Impact 
Hyacinthella pallens
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on February 16, 2012, 09:10:35 AM
Luit,
what a color spectacle after dull days. A pleasant anticipation to the start of spring.
'Peeping Tom' is nicely different and put on my wish list.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on February 16, 2012, 09:29:20 AM
Luit, do you have any more information please on Narcissus 'Cornish King' ? There is nothing at all on Daffseek about it.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 22, 2012, 06:57:10 PM
Luit, do you have any more information please on Narcissus 'Cornish King' ? There is nothing at all on Daffseek about it.
David, the N. Cornish King comes probably from the Rosewarne Institute.
They had many years a breeding programme with Narcissus. When they stopped many unnamed seedlings
sold to nurseries and some of these were selected. This is obviously one which was never registered.
We hopefully are awaiting some more information, but this has to come from the UK (might take some time? ::) ::) ;))

Today here one specially for you:
Narcissus Cornish Chuckles  

One to look out for I think  :D

BTW: Daffseek is not the official registrar. That is the RHS and all registered ones are to find there online!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 22, 2012, 06:59:17 PM
In one entry this week were many specialties:

Crocus minimus Bavella                               
Fritillaria aurea Robust                           
Iris Spot On                                         
Muscari muscarimi Honaz Dag         
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 22, 2012, 07:00:26 PM
I made one picture of a Hippeastrum, but it was not possible to thow the real color,,(more purplish)

Hippeastrum Purple Rain
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 22, 2012, 07:01:50 PM
and finally some Chilean krokus:
                 
Tecophilea cyanocrocus                       
Tecophilea cyanocrocus Violacea                           
Tecophilea cyanocrocus Leichtlinii
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ronm on February 22, 2012, 07:05:18 PM
Please anyone ! What is F. aurea 'Robust', and why does it exist? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 22, 2012, 10:01:28 PM
Perhaps a robust (and apparently low-growing) form of F. aurea? I usually find all seedlings of F. aurea reasonably robust, i.e. easy to grow and increase both vegetatively and from seed.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ashley on February 22, 2012, 11:36:10 PM
If ever you have fresh seed to spare Lesley, I'd be most grateful for a little.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 23, 2012, 03:32:26 AM
If ever you have fresh seed to spare Lesley, I'd be most grateful for a little.

I'll make a note in my book Ashley. Have to do that nowadays or I forgot what, to whom! ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on February 23, 2012, 10:41:54 AM
Luit, do you have any more information please on Narcissus 'Cornish King' ? There is nothing at all on Daffseek about it.
David, the N. Cornish King comes probably from the Rosewarne Institute.
They had many years a breeding programme with Narcissus. When they stopped many unnamed seedlings
sold to nurseries and some of these were selected. This is obviously one which was never registered.
We hopefully are awaiting some more information, but this has to come from the UK (might take some time? ::) ::) ;))

Today here one specially for you:
Narcissus Cornish Chuckles  

One to look out for I think  :D

BTW: Daffseek is not the official registrar. That is the RHS and all registered ones are to find there online!

Thanks for that Liut, I had Rosewarne in mind. I bought 'Cornish Chuckles' last autumn and have planted them out in the garden. Doubt if they'll look as good when they flower as the ones you posted!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Rogan on February 23, 2012, 12:33:14 PM
Truly magnificent pictures Luit, thanks a lot.   8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 24, 2012, 10:08:47 AM
Thank you for the compliment Rogan  :D I do my best but it's a difficult place for making pictures with the light in this hall  :-\

Please anyone ! What is F. aurea 'Robust', and why does it exist? ??? ??? ???
I am NOT guilty  ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 29, 2012, 06:59:38 PM
Seeing all the happy flowering crocuses on Monday spring must be on the way.
(the last days were just grey though, and we had temps just about 5 - 7 C. here) :-\
Crocus biflorus nubigena                             
Crocus gargaricus
Crocus chrysanthus Moonlight         
Crocus chrysanthus Saturnus                             
Crocus chrysanthus White Beauty           
Crocus reticulatus x angustifolius                 
Crocus chrysanthus E.P. Bowles 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on February 29, 2012, 07:01:18 PM
and a few other entries.
The choice in multiflorus hyacinths is steadily increasing. Here a new pink form:

Hyacinthus multiflorus pink                                 

Scilla mischtschenkoana                                 
Tulipa Outbreak                                       
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on February 29, 2012, 09:05:42 PM
I hope it is not only the Croconuts who see those Crocus pictures and  feel really happy?!!  8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: angie on February 29, 2012, 09:37:22 PM
Who needs a sun when you have a pot full of Crocus chrysanthus E.P. Bowles  8)

Angie  :) :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on March 01, 2012, 08:03:18 AM
The croci warm my heart - wunderful!
I hope that some rarer cultivated stocks like Saturnus, Moonlight, White Beauty may have their renaissance soon?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 01, 2012, 01:08:39 PM
Who needs a sun when you have a pot full of Crocus chrysanthus E.P. Bowles  8)

Angie  :) :)
May be for Scots o.k., but my old bones really prefer the sun  :D :D :D

The same grey day again today, and Crocus don't open their flowers  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Armin on March 01, 2012, 01:31:49 PM
The same grey day again today, and Crocus don't open their flowers  ::) ::)

Similar here, forecast was 15°C & sunshine :D but actual 12°C & dull ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 07, 2012, 04:51:55 PM
Coming into the Show Hall we were surprised by many miscellaneous entries: 

Iris hollandica   
a new hyacint with big flowers
Hyacinthus Fresco
Scilla mischtschenkoana Zwanenburg
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 07, 2012, 04:53:20 PM
a vase with many different snowdrops

and one with a bunch of Leucojum vernum                         
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 07, 2012, 04:55:59 PM
Some tulips

Tulipa Joint Division                                 
Tulipa Pionier
Tulipa greigii Hybr. 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 07, 2012, 04:59:29 PM
some of the many crocuses:
Crocus chrysanthus Willem van Eeden b
Crocus chrysanthus Constellation               
Crocus chrysanthus Princess Beatrix
Crocus chrysanthus Fuscotinctus                       
Crocus chrysanthus Willem van Eeden   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 07, 2012, 05:00:25 PM
and finally a showy entry with Hippeastrum
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on March 07, 2012, 05:01:30 PM
Super images as usual Luit ... many thanks.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on March 07, 2012, 06:38:08 PM
I rather like that Crocus chrysanthus 'Constellation', very attractive markings, but tell me Luit, what is the purpose of exhibiting a mixed vase of Galanthus?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 07, 2012, 09:08:37 PM
but tell me Luit, what is the purpose of exhibiting a mixed vase of Galanthus?
Well Brian, such response I could expect from you …..of course  ::)
Maybe the exhibitor  wanted to show how much diversity in white there is ??
Like in the way of a "Rhapsody in Blue"  :P :P  :P 

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 07, 2012, 09:47:38 PM
but tell me Luit, what is the purpose of exhibiting a mixed vase of Galanthus?

To prove that they are really all the same. ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ronm on March 07, 2012, 09:53:11 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on March 07, 2012, 10:04:55 PM
but tell me Luit, what is the purpose of exhibiting a mixed vase of Galanthus?

To prove that they are really all the same. ;D

Ok I admit, I asked for that ::)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 07, 2012, 10:20:33 PM
but tell me Luit, what is the purpose of exhibiting a mixed vase of Galanthus?

To prove that they are really all the same. ;D
But some did look a bit anaemic ;D
Thanks again, Luit,
for showing us these great pics!
It must be wonderful to see such bounty on a weekly basis!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on March 08, 2012, 11:08:00 AM
I enjoy your regular visits too, Luit - Many thanks.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 14, 2012, 07:00:16 PM
Reading the reactions above makes me think that we really are privileged being in a position to visit these shows every week   :D :D :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 14, 2012, 07:02:05 PM
This week I picked just a few narcissus out of the almost full Show Hall.
   
Narcissus × odorus Double Campernelle                   
Narcissus Heamoor
Narcissus Altun Ha                                 
Narcissus Queen Beatrix                                     
Narcissus Jamestown   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 29, 2012, 10:13:19 AM
Many beautiful entries of Hippeastrum and Narcissus last Monday.
The most pictures I show are overviews.
There was one exhibitor with at least 75 different Narcissus in vases.
If it's of interest you may see two famous Dutch bulbgrowers on the pictures (both were many years asked for
judging at RHS Daffodil an Tulip Shows in London)
                       
Narcissus   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 29, 2012, 10:14:59 AM
Hippeastrum                             
Hippeastrum pots                             
Hippeastrum Tia Maria
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 29, 2012, 10:15:38 AM
There was one pot with an unkown Pelargonium, well there was a name (P. Namalux) but that was probably not the right name

Pelargonium
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 29, 2012, 10:18:35 AM
and finally some new Narcissus and the last one brought some memories of our travels in Devon two years ago :D

Narcissus Double Six                       
Narcissus March Surprise                   
Narcissus Noss Mayo                         

Noss Mayo, a nice little village with lots of parking places, for as long the tide is low.......   ::) ::) ::)                       
                   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: mark smyth on March 29, 2012, 11:09:01 AM
I dont like double or split Narcissus but Double Six is lovely
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on March 29, 2012, 11:32:27 AM
Luit,

It is always such a pleasure to see these exhibits.  It must be amazing to be able to visit a display like this every week..... just like having your own show weekly.  And I'm sure that what we see doesn't really give an idea of the scale and scope of the display.  Thanks so much for showing us.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on March 29, 2012, 07:44:41 PM
Noss Mayo is very nice Luit, another Cornish raised Daff.

Noss Mayo village is very nice too, if a bit "boaty"! Many years ago now when I first came down to Devon to work and before Maureen and the kids joined me I went to Noss Mayo one evening for a pint. Later in the evening a chap came into the bar and announced to the locals something like "Give it another 45 minutes and a blue Horizon (I drove a Talbot Horizon then) will be floating" and I joined in the laughter before realising it was mine. I had to take off shoes socks and jeans and wade out to it and water was just lapping the bottom of the doors. It started first pull though ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 31, 2012, 02:06:52 PM
Luit,

It is always such a pleasure to see these exhibits.  It must be amazing to be able to visit a display like this every week..... just like having your own show weekly.  And I'm sure that what we see doesn't really give an idea of the scale and scope of the display.  Thanks so much for showing us.

Yes Paul, it is always amazing indeed. And I am glad that I am able to share at least some pictures here on the Forum.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on March 31, 2012, 02:09:51 PM
Where would we be without you, Luit?
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 31, 2012, 02:11:13 PM
Noss Mayo is very nice Luit, another Cornish raised Daff.

Noss Mayo village is very nice too, if a bit "boaty"! Many years ago now when I first came down to Devon to work and before Maureen and the kids joined me I went to Noss Mayo one evening for a pint. Later in the evening a chap came into the bar and announced to the locals something like "Give it another 45 minutes and a blue Horizon (I drove a Talbot Horizon then) will be floating" and I joined in the laughter before realising it was mine. I had to take off shoes socks and jeans and wade out to it and water was just lapping the bottom of the doors. It started first pull though ;D
Lovely story David! I think it will still often happen that people will find their car (almost) floating after a nice walk and afterwards a visit to the pub for a meal.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 31, 2012, 02:12:39 PM
Where would we be without you, Luit?
Life will proceed Cliff  ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on March 31, 2012, 02:20:32 PM
Where would we be without you, Luit?
Life will proceed Cliff  ;)

... But not as we know it.  ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on March 31, 2012, 04:24:01 PM
Then I'll have a drink first, just in time   Cheers!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 04, 2012, 06:57:21 PM
Since some years there show up some double mutants in Narcissus Tete a Tete: 

Narcissus Tete a Tete dubbele mutant 1                 
Narcissus Tete a Tete dubbele mutant 2   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 04, 2012, 07:02:09 PM
Some more pics of double Narcissus:
Narcissus group dubb.                   

Narcissus Kiwi Sunset
Narcissus Gold Medal dubbel
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 04, 2012, 07:03:14 PM
Some lovely small Narcissus:
Narcissus Jeannine                                         
Narcissus mandasii
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 04, 2012, 07:04:21 PM
and some other flowers on the tables:

Fritillaria                                               
Tecophilea cyanocrocus 
Libertia   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 04, 2012, 07:06:45 PM
More Narcissus:
Narcissus group     
Narcissus Apple Honey                                       
Narcissus Bright Spangles                               
Narcissus Oops
Narcissus Motmot
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ranunculus on April 04, 2012, 07:11:36 PM
Lovely images as always.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 04, 2012, 07:15:25 PM
Thanks Cliff, more will follow later. Obviously to busy on the Forum ?
Used more than 20 mins for these pics  :'( :'( and other things have to be done first...
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on April 04, 2012, 09:14:07 PM
Narcissus Jeannine  :o
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on April 04, 2012, 09:29:35 PM
Narcissus Jeannine  :o
I agree, Anne, 'she' is lovely.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 04, 2012, 10:02:42 PM
Hopefully the following pics will go a bit faster ::) Staring 5 mins at the screen  and waiting till 2 pics are (NOT) loaded is rather boaring  :-X

a couple of trumpets:

Narcissus British Gamble                                   
Narcissus Eclatant                                   
                                   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 04, 2012, 10:03:32 PM
and
                             
Narcissus group historic                                 
Narcissus eystettensis 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 04, 2012, 10:04:25 PM
and finally a perfect pot of Veltheimia
                               
Veltheimia bracteata                                     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Gerry Webster on April 04, 2012, 10:25:14 PM
Narcissus Jeannine  :o

Yes this is quite nice. The doubles are truly grotesque.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 05, 2012, 09:46:22 PM
Since some years there show up some double mutants in Narcissus Tete a Tete:  

Narcissus Tete a Tete dubbele mutant 1                
Narcissus Tete a Tete dubbele mutant 2  

Oh, how absolutely glor beastly. :o

'Jeannine,' on the other hand is a delight. :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 11, 2012, 09:57:15 PM
This week we saw 120 Narcissus of the famous Connoisseur Collection on the tables.
I tried to make a choice, but I could have photographed them all as well.

Narcissus                                       
Narcissus Aberfoyle                           
Narcissus Actaea                                 
Narcissus Verdant
Narcissus Aflame                                 
Narcissus Morvah Lady                               
Narcissus Chipper                               
Narcissus Ffitch Folly   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 11, 2012, 09:59:55 PM
Narcissus Great Gatsby                          
Narcissus Jenny Out                              
Narcissus Marie Curie Diamond                  
Narcissus Bravoure                            
Narcissus poeticus Recurvus Praecox  Edit: N. p. Recurvus is one of the latest flowering poeticus           
Narcissus Stadium
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 11, 2012, 10:02:30 PM
and finally one for our friends in Devon  :D
Narcissus Torcross 

Always nice to see a plant named after a place visited in the past  ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Paul T on April 12, 2012, 02:48:09 PM
Beautiful as always, Luit.

And I like the doubles, well most of them anyway.  I like the idea of a double tete-a-tete, given a double of miniature size like that.  Jeanine is beautiful, but so are a lot of the others.

Thanks again for taking the time to post the pics, particularly with the system on a go slow.  8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on April 12, 2012, 03:01:58 PM
I am so enjoying the photos ofnarcissus from the C.Collection- the more so because I can actually enjoy the wonderful fragrance of narcissus as I view the pictures.
Has Fred finally got that elusive scent button fixed to the forum?  :o
No: a friend brought me a huge bunch of Narcissus 'Erlicheer'  and their fragrance is filling the house!
It adds a marvelous dimension to the viewing.  8)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Roma on April 12, 2012, 04:20:09 PM
Interesting how different scents can appear to different people.  I once grew Narcissus 'Erlicheer' and thought the scent was horrible.  I don't like the scent of paperwhites and other strongly scented tazettas either.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Boyed on April 12, 2012, 06:36:26 PM
This week we saw 120 Narcissus of the famous Connoisseur Collection on the tables.
I tried to make a choice, but I could have photographed them all as well.

Wonderful narcissus, Luit! Thanks for showing those beauties, I very enjoy this topic.
Luit, I wonder for the name of bi-colour narcissus (white with yellow tube), the first from the left in the group picture. A nice variety.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 12, 2012, 06:46:59 PM

Wonderful narcissus, Luit! Thanks for showing those beauties, I very enjoy this topic.
Luit, I wonder for the name of bi-colour narcissus (white with yellow tube), the first from the left in the group picture. A nice variety.

Zhirair that must be Narcissus Jolly Roger. I like those bicoloured forms very much too.

Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 12, 2012, 06:52:00 PM
Oh, I should have added in my original text that this is about just 5 % of the total collection!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on April 12, 2012, 07:27:51 PM
and finally one for our friends in Devon  :D
Narcissus Torcross 

Always nice to see a plant named after a place visited in the past  ;D

Looks a lot prettier than the place does Luit ;D  This was raised by Brian Duncan.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 12, 2012, 10:43:29 PM
Of all those shown above, my favourite is N. poeticus praecox. Simple, clean and very elegant. :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 13, 2012, 10:18:24 PM
Lesley I think that if we could walk together through this collection and with a lot of flowers we might probably have the same taste  8)

Of all those shown above, my favourite is N. poeticus praecox. Simple, clean and very elegant. :)
Next week there is a Narcissus competition again at the show. Do you mean I can leave my camera at home then?? :-\
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on April 14, 2012, 09:49:44 AM
NOOOOooooo!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: David Nicholson on April 14, 2012, 07:06:43 PM
Luit, don't you dare! ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 15, 2012, 12:15:28 AM
Next week there is a Narcissus competition again at the show. Do you mean I can leave my camera at home then?? :-\

Of course not! :o

Luit, I think I'd be very happy to have similar taste to yours. :-*
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 15, 2012, 09:16:44 PM
Luit, don't you dare! ;D
That sounds mildly threatening, so I better start loading the (camera)batteries now for tomorrow ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 18, 2012, 06:50:58 PM
Many Narcissus again this week at the special Narcissus Competition:
 
Overview
Narcissus American Robin                                 
Narcissus Arish Mell                                     
Narcissus Bright Spangles                               
Narcissus Catalyst                                 
Narcissus Cool Crystal                                   
Narcissus Fragrant Rose                                   
Narcissus 2
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 18, 2012, 06:52:40 PM
But there were other entries as well:

Pleione 
Pleione limprichtii
Fritillaria
Lachenalia contaminata
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 18, 2012, 06:55:28 PM
Some more Narcissus:

Narcissus Indian Maid 
Narcissus Glory of Lisse                                   
Narcissus Little Soldier
Narcissus Horn of Plenty                                 
Narcissus Radiant Gem                                   
Narcissus Queenscourt       
Narcissus Marquette                                       
Narcissus Royal Marine
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 18, 2012, 06:56:47 PM
a few mutants of Tulipa van Eyk:
Tulipa Lady van Eyk                                       
Tulipa Mystic van Eyk                                     
Tulipa Oranje van Eyk
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 18, 2012, 06:58:30 PM
and the last few Narcissus:

Narcissus Newcastle                                       
Narcissus Radjel                             
Narcissus Socialite                                     
Narcissus Spindletop                                     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 18, 2012, 06:59:32 PM
and finally a few other entries:

Aquilegia                                             
Erythronium revolutum                                 
Alstroemeria pulchra var. lavandulacea
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: FrazerHenderson on April 18, 2012, 08:10:54 PM
Luit

Thanks for the pictures - great.

Do the showers transport the blooms dry or in water to the show?

Frazer
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: ashley on April 18, 2012, 09:23:28 PM
Thanks Luit; some wonderful narcissus and other things, lovely to see 8)   
'Cool Crystal' is especially nice & one I must look out for.

The flowers of Lachenalia contaminata remind me of L. pustulata which has been blooming here for the last month or so, though the foliage is very different of course. 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 20, 2012, 09:47:08 PM
Luit

Thanks for the pictures - great.

Do the showers transport the blooms dry or in water to the show?

Frazer
Frazer, I must say that when I arrive at the show most flowers are already on the tables. But I know that for instance one exhibitor picks his flowers on the field on Saturday, puts them in water and on Sunday he arranges the flowers in the vases. On Monday he needs several hours bringing them all in and putting them on the tables.
But I think that generally speaken Narcissus flowers for the show will need a little water after picking. Keeping them dry will only be possible when picking them a few hours before the show.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Brian Ellis on April 20, 2012, 10:50:01 PM
As always, many thanks Luit, lovely to see all these.  That Alstroemeria pulchra var. lavandulacea is striking.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on April 21, 2012, 11:11:14 PM
Some very nice narcissus, Luit.
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 21, 2012, 11:17:27 PM
Glad  you like them  :D It was a rather lot of work  :)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: annew on April 21, 2012, 11:21:38 PM
But we do so appreciate it!
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 21, 2012, 11:28:51 PM
But we do so appreciate it!
:D :D :D
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 26, 2012, 07:01:02 PM
It took some time to find my password again  ::), but at last I hope I will be able to make the report of this week's Show

This week again a Narcissus competition, but there was more:

Edit: just found out that attachments are not possible yet, so I will come back here as soon as it works.

Do I miss the so usefull spellcheck as well??
     
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on April 26, 2012, 07:04:18 PM
It took some time to find my password again  ::), but at last I hope I will be able to make the report of this week's Show

This week again a Narcissus competition, but there was more
   

Sorry Luit, we are not able to post photos at the moment. It will take a while longer to get that sorted out. So you can have a little more time to relax!  :-* :-*
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on April 26, 2012, 07:07:36 PM
It took some time to find my password again  ::), but at last I hope I will be able to make the report of this week's Show

This week again a Narcissus competition, but there was more
   

Sorry Luit, we are not able to post photos at the moment. It will take a while longer to get that sorted out. So you can have a little more time to relax!  :-* :-*
Just saw your answer while modifying my post. So relaxing time for now , CHEERS ;)
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 02, 2012, 09:00:20 AM
Here the pictures from last week with again a Narcissus competition, but there was more:

Ipheion Jessie                           
Iris hollandica                           
Muscari Ocean Magic                         
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 02, 2012, 09:02:14 AM
Some really nice pots:
 
Narcissus assoanus                     
Narcissus Diamond Ring
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 02, 2012, 09:02:47 AM
Of the flower arrangements I pictured this one
Narcissus Arctic Gem 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 02, 2012, 09:05:29 AM
Some narcissus:
                   
Narcissus Arizona Sunset                         
Narcissus Ambergate                   
The next one is even more orange but I was not able to get the right color with my camera, despite several tries ::)
Narcissus Red Area
Narcissus Fairy Chimes                       
Narcissus Jan Dalton                       
Narcissus Cutting Edge   
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 02, 2012, 09:05:59 AM
The following is in my eyes more interesting than really nice:
Narcissus Petit Four                         
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 02, 2012, 09:06:45 AM
a nice tazetta and a miniature:
                       
Narcissus Scilly White                     
Narcissus wilkommii 
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 02, 2012, 09:07:12 AM
Many visitors were delighted to see the next new one:

Narcissus Janneke
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Lvandelft on May 02, 2012, 09:09:09 AM
and finally some Tulipa seedlings:
Tulipa dark purple                           
Tulipa seedl. white 
Tulipa seedl. black
Title: Re: Remarks from the Weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse
Post by: Maggi Young on May 02, 2012, 09:28:19 AM