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Bulbs => NARCISSUS => Topic started by: Anthony Darby on February 02, 2008, 03:06:50 PM
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Here is Narcissus hedraeanthus from Anne Wright.
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What a little charmer.... and the narcissus isn't bad, either.
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:P
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What did I say about Chinese people and stamp collectors? Actually Maggi, I appreciate the intentions. ;)
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That species is one of those I love better but so difficult to find !!!
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Dominique, just little cuties...
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That species is one of those I love better but so difficult to find !!!
I speak about Narcissus hedraeanthus !!!
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I think it is sad that it is so hard to find suppliers of many of these winter flowering Narcissus.... I think one reason is the fact that there are no really early flower shows ( in th UK, for instance) where a wider range of people can see these delightful plants.... as we see here, when people are 'introduced' to them, they are very popular but because they are really not very well known, there is not the demand so there is little supply.
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This was sold as 'Atlas Gold' at our group 2004 Bulb Sale. Clearly it is not - any suggestions as I like it a lot
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Can someone please identify this narcissus - my label says tenufolius, and is obviously wrong
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Beautiful, Arthur. It looks like willkommii to me.
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narcissus bulbocodium from near Avila in Central Spain
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Ashley
If it is then I am very happy as I have never flowered it before. Can confirm when I repot as bulbs quite distinctive.
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The sun today has brought out the first N. cyclamineus in my garden
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Looks lovely Rob - show it again when the whole group is open please - should look great !
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Two of my favourite narcissus.
Narcissus cantabricus ssp cantabricus
Narcissus x Minicycla
Now what will happen if I cross pollinate these two :-\
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for sure you get a N x cantacycla ;D
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Arthur, I think your NOT `Atlas Gold' one could reasonably just be called N. romieuxii without much other detail. There are so many variants of this delightful species and every batch of seedlings turns up something different and very nice.
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for sure you get a N x cantacycla ;D
Did anybody ever tried a cross between N. cantabricus and N. cyclamineus?
Perhaps Anne W.?
Gerd
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Here are
1.+ 2. a cross between Narcissus hedraeanthus white (pollen parent) and a small N. cantabricus. It seems it is fertile, because pollen is built.
3. Narcissus asturiensis
4. a small daffodil received as N. gaditanus but i may be another species
Gerd
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1.+ 2. a cross between Narcissus hedraeanthus white (pollen parent) and a small N. cantabricus. It seems it is fertile, because pollen is built.
That's a very interesting cross, Gerd. Such a beautiful short trumpet.
I presume the second one has the right colour?
Luit
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That's a very interesting cross, Gerd. Such a beautiful short trumpet.
I presume the second one has the right colour?
Luit
Luit,
The first pic shows some influence of the artificial light, which is situated over the bench.
The second was made in daylight. The flower is white.
Gerd
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Gerd, do you have data collection of aff. gaditanus? I am trying to Id.
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I was sold Narcissus gaditanus last year but it turned out to be rupicola. :'( Here is another form of hedraeanthus. Now thought to be a hybrid with hedraeanthus.
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Isn't asturiensis a little beauty!! Like those hadreanthus pics I've seen too!!
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Gerd, do you have data collection of aff. gaditanus? I am trying to Id.
The seeds were collected as N. gaditanus near Ejulve, northwest from Teruel. This indeed is far away from the places in Andalucia, from where this species is known.
In my head there is another name, something like ' N. assoanus praelongus ' - but couldn't find the reference.
Did you tell me something like this?
Gerd
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I was sold Narcissus gaditanus last year but it turned out to be rupicola. :'( Here is another form of hedraeanthus.
Anthony,
My God, what a beauty! Why did I struggle and hybridize N. cantabricus and N. hedraeanthus when forms like yours are already in cultivation?
May I ask you for the source of the plant shown?
Gerd
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Gerd, I bought the hedraeanthus from Bob Brown at Cotswold Garden Flowers.
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Gerd, so this is N. assoanus subsp. assoanus.
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Rafa,
Thank you, I'll change the label.
Gerd
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Gerd, It could be possible a mistake labelling the collection data?
This green tube and the curvature corresponds to N. gaditanus....
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Gerd, It could be possible a mistake labelling the collection data?
This green tube and the curvature corresponds to N. gaditanus....
Rafa,
According Flora Vascular de Andalucía Occidental N. gaditanus is restricted to the south of Spain and Portugal. So I believe you are right with your first guess.
N. assoanus grows further north in eastern Spain, France and Turkey(!).
This Flora also says for N. assoanus (although for ssp. praelongus ): tubo del periantio de 12-28 mm, recto o ligeramente curvado.
I am waiting for flowers from a plant which perhaps is more 'gaditanus' at least from the distribution. I'll send a pic.
Gerd
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This is so variable genus Narcissus that is impossible to recognize anything!!!
If the data collection is correct there is just this posibility (if botanists are right): Narcissus assoanus ssp. assoanus.
(= )
If I have understood well
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N. gaditanus= curved, green/yellow tube
N. fernandesii= right, green tube
N. fernandesii var. rivas-martinezii = very little N. fernandesii, right leaves, and quite curved yellow tube (sometimes green).
N. baeticus = N. assoanus subsp. praelongus
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This is so variable genus Narcissus that is impossible to recognize anything!!!
If the data collection is correct there is just this posibility (if botanists are right): Narcissus assoanus ssp. assoanus.
YES, so it is. Sometimes a horror.
Where did you find the illustration? It looks familiar to me but I can't remember where I saw it (senior moment!).
Gerd
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The illustrations are from Dr. Rafael Díez Domínguez Book! ;D ;D ;D
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The illustrations are from Dr. Rafael Díez Domínguez Book! ;D ;D ;D
Can I order a copy, and will you sign it? :D
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Well Anthony I'm affraid this sketch that I did in 10 minutes is actually being auctioned in Christie's, you will have to ask them about any further information good luck!! ;D ;D ;D
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I'll send Ian (of the Christie kind) an email and ask what he expects it to go for? ;D
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The illustrations are from Dr. Rafael Díez Domínguez Book! ;D ;D ;D
Dear Dr. D.D.,
PLEASE continue with these sketches - in combination with your superb pics it will be a wonderful daffodil book
- title: D D D (Díez Domínguez Daffodils) ;D
Gerd
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Gerd and Rafa,
Thank for this sketch which teach me many things about this lovely genus. I have some little bulbs of N.. gaditanus with filiform leaves that I grow since three years from seeds. Perhaps flowers next year and I will need too the lights of Rafa, the Narcissus King !
Now wild other Narcissus
Narcissus bulbocodium paucinervis
Narcissus bulbocodium praecox 2
Narcissus cordubensis
Narcissus tazetta ssp pachybolbus
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and Horticultural cultivars
Narcissus 'Julia Jane'
Narcissus 'Julia Jane' et Narcissus romieuxii.
Narcissus romieuxii (jardin
Narcissus 'Minicycla'
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The last ones
Narcissus papyraceus 'Sheleg'
Narcissus 'Rinjvelt Early Sensation'
Narcissus tazetta plena 'Constantinopel'.
Narcissus tazetta 'Sacred Chinese Lily'
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Fantastic show! Dominique,
Thank you for your cumpliment, but I am just a beginner.
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Rafa, you are the King because you so delight us with your photos from the wild!
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Dominique
Thanks for some beautiful photos
Where did you get the incredible Narcissus tazetta ssp pachybolbus - it is top of my wants list
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That's a nice series Dominique, with some very special ones!
Show more please!
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Thank you Maggi, tomorrow I will visit a place with about 8 Narcissus species. There is a moment about mid march they are in bloom at the same time not far between each others.
But at this moment just N. cantabricus will be in bloom, I hope to pictured var. petunioides in the wild!!
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Very exciting Rafa, have a good trip!
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Good trip too for nice pics for the pleasure of all. Rafa, you have the humility of the greats.
Thank you Luit, promised other pics with the season
Arthur, I have Narcissus pachybolbus from Dix export in Holland
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Great photos, everybody! :D I've been away for a couple of days and all these posts happen! Anthony I love your hedreanthus - how tall is it, and could you spare a seed or two?
I find it difficult to cross hoop petticoat types with trumpet types, but do occasionally succeed - will definitely try that cross this season.
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Narcissus minor Douglas Bank edit name. M..... OOPS! Douglasbank
Narcissus cyclamineus
Narcissus Inca, ? I bought this from the MBC as Inca but I don't think that it is correct.
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Narcissus minor Douglas Bank edit name. M
Nice pictures Michael.
Maggi did edit the name, but I saw at Daff Seek the name Douglasbank.
Probably the Scots will know best, but there is a good description on Daff Seek.
How would Mr Buchanan have called it really? He's a Scot too I presume?
http://daffseek.org/ (ftp://http://daffseek.org/)
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Luit, Michael, my apologies! 'Douglasbank' is the correct name.... it was the name of Mr Buchanan's home, if I remember that correctly!!
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Luit, Michael, my apologies! 'Douglasbank' is the correct name.... it was the name of Mr Buchanan's home, if I remember that correctly!!
Oh Maggi, where would we be without YOUR memory? :-*
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This is my first post to this group, although I’ve been lurking and enjoying since last August. The little daffs are beginning to bloom here in Maryland, USA, in my cold frame. Attached are pictures of two: Narcissus albidus var. foliosus and N. pachybolbus (or if you prefer, Narcissus tazetta ssp. pachybolbus).
There are lots of other white-flowered hoop petticoats in the frame, and I’m ashamed to say that so far I have not learned to tell many of them apart very well. Luckily I like them all. I won't pretend for a minute that I really understand the naming conventions in this group - please feel free to make suggestions if you think I have used the wrong names.
The modern Israeli Narcissus tazetta cultivar 'Ziva' is also blooming in the same frame. It is a huge improvement in size and number of flowers over the paper whites I remember from my youth. And this plant growing in the frame is much better than any I have ever seen forced in the house.
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Welcome to the Forum Jim. What a great start with Narcissus pachybolbos. Mine looks like it will have no flowers this year. :-\
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Hello, Jim, great to have you posting.
I've had enough of these teasing photos ;)... I am going to speak to Fred Admin.... we MUST have a scent facility enabled on this Forum....I NEED it! It distresses me to see these great photos of scented gems that make me drool to think of the perfume I'm missing..... ::)
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What lovely pictures Jim and a super website
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What lovely pictures Jim and a super website
I agree, I have added it to my Favourites, a warm welcome to you Jim.
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At last I have a little time to post some of my own! The first two are outside - 'Sidora' and N. bulbocodium tenuifolius(?) in troughs.
Then two from Keira in Australia, a numbered hybrid, and 'Papa Snoz'. Lastly N. hedreanthus x asturiensis, all seedlings being very similar to each other.
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By contrast in size, here is a pot of mature Sidora inside.
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At last I have a little time to post some of my own! The first two are outside - 'Sidora' and N. bulbocodium tenuifolius(?) in troughs.
Then two from Keira in Australia, a numbered hybrid, and 'Papa Snoz'. Lastly N. hedreanthus x asturiensis, all seedlings being very similar to each other.
Anne,
Nice pictures. Are these N. hedraeanthus x asturiensis the same ones as you showed in 2007 (or was it only one then)? It seems to be a good growing and healthy cross, isn't it?
Gerd
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It is a very odd year!! I saw my first clump of Narcissus growing on a grass verge in one of the local villages in the middle of November. I usually have clumps in the garden by early January but not this year. So far only February Gold is in full flower with plenty of other noses showing but Narcissus Jenny has only just proved this week that I hadn't lost it. Even the bulbs I have in the greenhouse are being very slow.
Great pictures everyone.
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Very nice crosses and pictures!
This is an early Narcissus confusus
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Same pot as last year, Gerd. It is never going to win any prizes for beauty, but I like it!
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Die Schönheit liegt im Auge des Betrachters !
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!
- the translation told me that we share the same proverb -
Gerd
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I would like to show you pictures of N x susannae about now but they are not showing any sign of growth :( So I tipped them out expecting to find nasty fat grubs in the bulbs (as I had done with two of their former potmates at repotting time.) However the bulbs are fat and hard - just no roots, no leaves, no nothing. They seem to be taking a year off. Has anyone else had experiences like this with narcissus? I have known a few other bulbs do this and return in good health ... but not narcissus.
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Wasn't around the Forum yesterday and now find 3 extra pages full of Narcissi !!! :D
Brilliant pictures everyone - simply mouthwatering ! ;)
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Today evening in our dry fields in Spain :-\
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Hi Rafa,
Moody pic. Thank you.
Is it true that Spain suffers from a lack of rain again?
Gerd
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Raffa, a wonderful evening!
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Yes it is Gerd, do you remeber Entrepeñas and Buen Día reservoirs situated at the beginning of the Tajo River?
Well, they are two of the biggest reservoirs in Central Spain (Guadalajara Region) and they are at around 18% of their capacity.
I have seen both reservoirs at 80% about 10 years ago and it looked like the sea was coming into the land with boats sailing on it and some little islands. And now there is only a bit of water at the bottom near the reservoir wall.
Despite that, they carry on building absurd building projects like hotels (Las Vegas style), Golf courses etc... The latest and most insulting one is situated in Los Monegros Desert, in Zaragoza. This is one of the most hostile places in Spain, for its drought, winds and extreme temperatures in the summer time as well as in the winter time.
In my town it usually snows from October to May, and this year it only snowed one day and ridiculous quantity.
Ignorance and economic interests are not good allies against global warming....
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Yes it is Franz!,
also I have seen N. confusus starting to bloom near those N. nivalis, but the light was very low to take pictures.
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What a wonderful sight they must be Rafa. I'm green with envy.
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Thank you so much for showing these little wild ones, Rafa.
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Here a couple of new babies - 'Candlepower', 'Snook' (very like Mite) and 'Second Fiddle'
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Candlepower-Ooooooooh ;D
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Anne please show some close ups of the Narcissus
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OK - Candlepower followered by Gipsy Queen to compare. Then Snook, and lastly Second Fiddle.... :-[
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Hum, last 2 wrong way round. ;D
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Anne,
glad to see a pic of Second Fiddle as I've just ordered it myself from Marcus Harvey in Tasmania. Errrr, the 2nd pic of it looks a bit ragged...? Possums?
Your cross of N. hedraeanthus and N. asturiensis looks absolutely cute!
cheers
fermi
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I agree with Fermi re: the cross of N. hedraeanthus and N. asturiensis . I really must try and force some of the latter or store some pollen of the former? :)
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I wonder what the reverse cross would be like? ::)
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BD says that when he has made both sets of narcissus crosses with other species, he has got pretty much the same results, whoever is the pollen parent...... always fun to try, though, isn't it?
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I once found in a book (I have forgotten where)
The father (pollen) has an influence to the colour of the hybrid
and the mother an influence to the shape (height).
- but I never made a test to verify this.
Gerd
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Narcissus 'February Gold' from my garden today.
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In the RHS Daffodil and Tulip Yearbook 1956, Douglas Blanchard wrote that a seedling gets the perianth from the mother and the colour and flowering time from the father.
My Feb Golds are only 8cm high as yet! It stayed frozen all day today in shady places, yet I saw a butterfly in a sunny patch!
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Yes, I have read these words about, so to speak,"gene allocation" when hybridising... seems our daffs , though, have not ::)
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There is also mitochondrial DNA which is only in the ovule?
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There is also mitochondrial DNA which is only in the ovule?
Well, exactly.... so why have we found so little difference???
By the way, is it mitochondrial or mitRochondrial, or mitrochondial ???? One of those words which confuses me completely.... like pyroclastic :-\ :-[
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Narcissus 'Jim Lad'
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and to show the scale.
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What a cutie... he's one on Anne Wright's babies, too, isn't he? She makes a lovely mother, that woman.... ::)
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Such a tiny baby - must be a preme ...... very cute
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What is the coin? How big?
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That's a Euro Lesley - measures abt 1.5 cm.
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Thanks Luc. If I'd enlarged the pic I would have seen that but then why would I enlarge a pic when the plant is grown for its smallness? So a real baby then, definitely cute as Chris says.
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Narcissus 'Jim Lad'
Must get that. I call James 'Jim lad' when I'm in a good mood, though it's a long time since he was remotely as cute as that little gem. :D
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Just for enjoy some 2007 pics.
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I am frozen solid at the moment so nothing much happening so here are three from the wild
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WOW Tony! you did a fantastic expedition!
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Tony, Rafa,
Fantastic, these were dream-like sights.
Thank you both!
Gerd
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Rafa
I wandered along the Pyrennese for two weeks from Nuria to Portalet and saw about a dozen species. It was in 2004 and I took only a few digital pictures the rest were slides.
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Very beautiful trip Tony,
Have you seen Narcissus moleroi?
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Wonderful pix people - beautiful !! Thanks for showing
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Very beautiful trip Tony,
Have you seen Narcissus moleroi?
I see in his article AGS66 vol 3 John Blanchard considers it a form of alpestris and I visited the site at cerler and there were thousands of pale yellow 'alpestris' so I suppose the answer is yes. here it is.
I cannot reply further today as I am of to Nottingham to look at some galanthus.
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Brilliant pics Rafa and Tony. Did I miss what the species was in your pics Rafa?
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What a wonderful sight/site! :o Thanks for sharing.
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Very wonderful indeed!!
Chloë
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Thank you Tony,
First, I identified the species as N. confusus because 200m dawn there were some of them. But in the top of the mountain the species is N. pseudonarcissus ssp. nobilis between N. rupicola.
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Andrew your Jim Lad looks very drawn
Tony a yellow alpestris is very appealing
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Jim's a growing Lad! ;D
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Today after the rain disappeared
1. Narcissus bicolor (?) from the Col de Pourtalet
2. Narcissus x litigiosus (N. x susannae; N. x munozii-garmandiae) -
just one month later than Rafa's plants!
3. Narcissus bulbocodium from Oukaimeden - High Atlas mountains
Gerd
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Some beautiful Narcissi there Gerd !
I'm particularly fond of the pristine white Narc.x litigiosus - it's a real beauty !! :o
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Beautiful blooms, Gerd.
Love the white also, so perfectly clean and clear.
Paddy
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The pic above of N. alpestris, the perfect white one, is just wonderful BUT where are the green spots? ;D ;D ;D
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Tony W.,
After looking back to your Narcissus nobilis from Port de Portalet (febr. 19th) I ask myself whether this is the same plant as my Narcissus bicolor (febr. 21th) which I received some years ago with the label: Narc. spec. Col de Pourtalet?
I identified mine as " bicolor " according the position of the stamens (Blanchard: inserted at or only just above the base) - but, the coronas of your plants are much longer.
Is Portalet = Pourtalet? - Do both species co-occure?
Gerd
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Gerd
I have no idea as to the answer to your question on identifying the species.I get my information on where to find plants mostly from Scottish Rock and AGS bulletins and then try and confirm the identities of plants I find with knowledgeable friends.I was told that it was nobilis and I think the place is the same as yours came from. The narcissus seem very confused and here are two more pictures of alpestris which will add to it. The yellow one is from the same site as the white one and is not the yellow form from Cerler which as Rafa pointed out comes with a different name..
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Some more varied ones
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WOW! guys great pictures and amazing species!
One N. confusus
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Who is that indigenous man in the last picture? :o ;D
This is Narcissus bulbocdium. ssp. bulbocodium var. nivalis. I'm still looking for find N x stenanthus!!
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Narcissus x litigiosus (N. x susannae; N. x munozii-garmandiae) -
Gerd - what a stunningly beautiful plant. Many thanks for showing it
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Gerd
I have no idea as to the answer to your question on identifying the species.I get my information on where to find plants mostly from Scottish Rock and AGS bulletins and then try and confirm the identities of plants I find with knowledgeable friends.
Tony,
So do I, but the more you read in different books and articles the more you become like a Narcissus confusus .
What does it matter? A name is just a name - nothing more.
Gerd
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Who is that indigenous man in the last picture? :o ;D
This is Narcissus bulbocdium. ssp. bulbocodium var. nivalis. I'm still looking for find N x stenanthus!!
Rafa, beautiful pictures, as usual!
I guess the strange person on the ground is one of those crazy forum members suffering
from a bizarre disease called yellow fever. I hope it wasn't you. ;D
Gerd
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Narcissus romieuxii
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It is certainly a sufferer of the yellow fever, Gerd.... look, the poor soul has fallen to the ground, he is writhing amongst the oak leaves , he stretches his arms in desperation.... yes, see, he is trying to photgraph a narcissus... a serious case.... possibly no cure.....happily by this stage of the disease he will have completely lost his mind, so, actually, he is NOT SUFFERING as such... he feels only enjoyment and a deep longing...... :-X
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Hi et all,
thanks for the beauti narcissus show.
I have a question to the experts regarding section pseudonarcissus.
I would like to know what are the distinct differences of N.nobilis vs. N.bicolor var. bicolor vs. N.confusus vs. N. pseudonacissus subsp. pseudonarcissus var. pseudonarcissus??? >:(
Is it growing location, color of leaves, size, chromosomes no. ect.???
For me they look all rather equal - bicolor flowers. Very beautiful and desireable.
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Maybe they should all be lumped under confusus?
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By the way, I appreciate the contortions our reporters have to endure to bring us such superb photos :D
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Is it growing location, color of leaves, size, chromosomes no. ect.???
Yes, it is - add flower colour!
I know, this is a very short answer :).
A wide view would take the space of nearly a book.
Narcissus taxonomy is a tricky thing and always in a state of flux - I believe if you ask two different experts (I am none of them), I am sure you will get at least two different answers.
Good books concerning this theme are ' Narcissus' by John W. Blanchard and
'Alles über Narzissen ' by Gerhard Bahnert.
Gerd
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Here
Narcissus cyclamineus ( free in my garden )
received from a nice friend before some years ....
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Yes, it is - add flower colour!
I know, this is a very short answer :).
A wide view would take the space of nearly a book.
Narcissus taxonomy is a tricky thing and always in a state of flux - I believe if you ask two different experts (I am none of them), I am sure you will get at least two different answers.
Good books concerning this theme are ' Narcissus' by John W. Blanchard and
'Alles über Narzissen ' by Gerhard Bahnert.
Gerd
Gerd,
thank you for the book references.
Anne,
I tend to agree your proposal - confusus :-\
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Here
Narcissus cyclamineus ( free in my garden )
received from a nice friend before some years ....
Glad to see it is doing well Hans.
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Here are some daffodils from today
1. Narcissus pseudonarcissus - of wild origin from the 'Eifel'
2. A very small N. cyclamineus from N. Spain
3. N. hedraeanthus white
4. N. hedraeanthus x N. triandrus
5. N. cantabricus from Ronda
Gerd
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OOOH! I like that white hedreanthus! :o
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A very small N. cyclamineus from N. Spain
That IS a lovely one Gerd!
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Some more things opened over the weekend - two more of Keira's hybrids, and Narcissus 'Wavertree', which is a selected large form of asturiensis.
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Here are some daffodils from today
1. Narcissus pseudonarcissus - of wild origin from the 'Eifel'
2. A very small N. cyclamineus from N. Spain
3. N. hedraeanthus white
4. N. hedraeanthus x N. triandrus
5. N. cantabricus from Ronda
Gerd
Gerd, beautiful cuties.
The N.pseudonarcissus 'Eifel' syn. is "N. lobularis"? Right?
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Stunning flowers Gerd !! :o
N. pseudonarcissus will never flower with me :(
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Anne, this K 6 is a very nice one!
N. pseudonarcissus will never flower with me
Luc, you'll have to build a lava bed... ;D
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thanks all for your pics
Narcissus calcicola hâtif
Narcissus cordubensis
Narcissus cyclamineus Mite
Narcissus pseudonarcissus (Corrèze)
Narcissus requienii
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Anne, this K 6 is a very nice one!
N. pseudonarcissus will never flower with me
Luc, you'll have to build a lava bed... ;D
Anne, I can only repeat what Luit said - very, very nice, indeed!
Luc, I can't believe it, you are joking ???
Gerd
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The N.pseudonarcissus 'Eifel' syn. is "N. lobularis"? Right?
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Armin,
Yes, I found N. pseudonarcissus ssp. lobularis for the Eifel-population
Gerd
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Luc, I can't believe it, you are joking ???
Gerd
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I'm afraid not Gerd, mine is N. pseudonarcissus ss pseudonarcissus and it stubornly refuses to flower. It's in a normal border bed covered with bark, maybe it doesn't like that ? I'll try another spot.
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I can't grow this species either - I have seedlings grown from seeds gathered in a Northumberland wood 15 years ago, and they barely increase in size, let alone flower!
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Interestingly, or maybe everyone else already knows this, I collected one stem of the narcissus with a green seed pod, and kept it in water at home until it turned yellow, then sowed the seeds, which germinated very well, so you don't necessarily need to have seed ripen on the plant. Or then again, maybe if you do this, the plants will take 20 years to flower...
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I can't grow this species either - I have seedlings grown from seeds gathered in a Northumberland wood 15 years ago, and they barely increase in size, let alone flower!
Pfff, quite a relief for me that I'm not alone ;D
Thanks Anne
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Gerd, I thought one of the key features of Narcissus hedraeanthus was the horizontal flowering stem? I have what I thought was hedraeanthus from CGF and it is probably a hybrid, or so I was told at the Early Bulb Display.
See http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1302.15 and scroll down.
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Anthony,
An horizontal or up to 45 ° flowering stem and relatively small straw coloured flowers are typical for the hedraeanthus population of the Sierra de Cazorla. In other regions, the Sierra de Alcaraz and the Sierra Morena for instance, you can find larger plants with a more erect stem and larger flowers - which are coloured from a more intense yellow to almost white. These are called Narcissus hedraeanthus ssp. luteolentus by Blanchard.
Unfortunately even the Cazorla plants react with a more upright stem when grown without
sufficiant light.
So I would not say your plant is a hybrid but rather a superb form of hedraeanthus.
Gerd
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Gerd ( and all other ):
a question :
do you know what is the common name for Narcissus in South Africa ?
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Gerd ( and all other ):
a question :
do you know what is the common name for Narcissus in South Africa ?
Hans,
in Afrikaans: narsis - rektig? bron: google
in Xhosa: ? ;)
Gerd
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Sorry Gerd - no points ::)
they have a special word ( not botanical )
Google knows not all ......
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a question :
do you know what is the common name for Narcissus in South Africa
"yellow trumpet flower from abroad" ? ;)
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:oMaggi :o
You dissapointet me !
sorry - no points for Scotland
I was shure you find it .....
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It is not "Hairbells", because that is what they call Dierama ::)
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now I have to wait for Arne .....
maybe it is able for him ....
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May I play the game too? Coming just from the beautiful flowerbulb fields.
NARSING. :D :D :D
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It is not "Hairbells", because that is what they call Dierama ::)
surely not ,I thought it was angels fishing rod
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Sorry Luit - no point for the Netherlands ;)
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Here's the entry for Belgium
PAASBLOMME
:D
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Sorry Luc - no point for Belgium ( but clever idea )
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Oops, I forgot we have a very strict Master today :-[
Geel Narsing :D
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No Luit !
the name in South Africa has nothing to do with name of flowers ..... ::)
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:( :( :(
I never win the lottery either....
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Where are the other Narcissus specialists ..... ???
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Dear Hans you may have another name for it, but when you read this you might also get a bit confused??
I tried to make a (free) translation of it in English.
En die ander dag die eerste blom wat ek nóg geplant het: 'n narsing!
Ook bekend as narcissus. Die plant word dus geassosieër met dié Griekse mite, al is dit nie vernoem na die mooi jonkman wat danksy Nemesis op sy eie spieëlbeeld verlief geraak het nie.
Die stamwoord is narkao, wat beteken "om te verdoof." Soos in narkose. Die rede: die bolle, blare en selfs blomme is dikwels giftig, byvoorbeeld dié van die affodil. (Die digtersnarsing is volgens botaniste nóg dodeliker)
Yesterday I planted the first flower:'n narsing!
Also known as narcissus This plant is associated with the Greek mythe, though it is not named after
the nice younger who thanks to Nemesis fell in love in his own face in the mirror.
The 'stam word"is narkao , which means : to anaesthesize. So in narcose.
Caused by: the bulbs, leaves and even the flowers are often poisonous, like those of the "affodil"
The Poets narsing is after botanists more deadly.
I may not get the points but I earned the BONUS, don't I? ;)
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Just catching up with this thread. Lots up in the garden now. The rubbish end of a suuny day meant only a few photos.
My 'Jim Lad' stands 6" 15cm
Here is 'Fairy Gold' 3.5 " 8cm - Anne it will be over by the time you visit.
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Hi all :
Here is the solution of this puzzle :
Narcissus are in Afrikaans :
Koppie en Piering
...this means : Cup and Saucer 8)
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this means : Cup and Saucer
What a great name for them! 8) It seems so obvious now we are told :D ;D
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Fairy Gold is very nice.
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Anne, .....Mark says ......'Fairy Gold' 3.5 "/ 8cm
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Half of what I have are for the chop this year. I cant afford another fly attack. I was down to one bulb a few years ago
Do you want length of trumpet?
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Half of what I have are for the chop this year.
What do you mean, Mark?
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twinscaling
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Hi all :
Here is the solution of this puzzle :
Narcissus are in Afrikaans :
Koppie en Piering
...this means : Cup and Saucer 8)
Hans
Did you know that 'Cup And Saucer' is what some people call Canterbury Bells (Campanula medium).
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Arthur :
It is real funny with all the names in different areas !
In Germany are Narcissus : Osterglocken ( bells of Easter )
In Bavaria : Maerzenbecher ( cup of March )
in the rest of Germany are Maerzenbecher : Leucojum aestivum
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Narcissus cyclamineus.
" Gipsy Queen
" Inca
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My Inca doesnt look like yours, Michael. Where did yours come from? Do they change colour?
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Mark, from MBC. I don't think it is correct like most of the order I got from them.
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My rockery white is not correct either, and don't mention the crocus I got from them. No order this year!
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Yours are correct according to the daffseek pages
http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?photo3=fdc9451bedbe1d876d7a971b25521a3f&pagenum1=1 (http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?photo3=fdc9451bedbe1d876d7a971b25521a3f&pagenum1=1)
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Mark, do you mean that I have got something that is correct.
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Is everyone finding Narcissus blooming too early this year? Looking at last year's photos mine are up to 17 days early compared to last year. March 12th '06 was a Sunday so I may have been off to take the photos.
The following are out now
Trena 17th March
Tete-a-tete 12th March
lost label 12th March
Fairy Gold 8th March
Gipsy Queen March
Jim Lad March 12th
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Here are a few from last weekend
cyclamineous
ex Primrose Warburg
longispathus
Snipe or is it Mitzy? I favour the former as none are fading to white
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What a lovely clump whatever it is.
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I agree with you Ann !
Very nice Mark !
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Too many snowdrops and Narcissus in the garden need dividing. It amazing Snipe/Mitzy can keep going. I see one flower that's fading. It was for sale at £15 a bulb butpallidiflorus was £2.50 each
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Too many snowdrops and Narcissus in the garden need dividing. It amazing Snipe/Mitzy can keep going. I see one flower that's fading. It was for sale at £15 a bulb butpallidiflorus was £2.50 each
Quite a lot of problems Mark!
Relax, it's not good for your heart.
Who said that? ;D ;D 8)
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Beautiful clumps Mark. Must get some more small narcissi. :)
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Just recovering from all the galanthus outings and have discovered this site. Thanks to all contributors, it is fascinating with some wonderful photographs. I agree with the last post, I need to collect more small narcissus. Both Jim Lad and Sidora (received from Anne last year) are in flower for me, only hope I can look after them well.
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From my experience Jim will do better under cover. Sidora is OK outside - so far ..
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I meant to add seeing these miniatures is easy but sourcing them is the problem. Those who have them dont part with them. I have a feeling they are being bulked and awaiting greater interest to command higher prices.
Some are easy to come by like
Gipsy Queen
minor
nanus
Little Beauty
WP Milner
Queen Annes Double
Cedric Morris
Lilliput
Minicycla
Elka
Toby
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Thanks Mark. They are both in cold greenhouse at the moment, guess I would like to build them up before I risk putting them outside.
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Scamp lists some easy to find miniature trumpets
http://www.qualitydaffodils.com/home.php?cat=18 (http://www.qualitydaffodils.com/home.php?cat=18)
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Jim lad has survived 3yrs outside in a trough :)
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Last night's gales decimated the Narcissus in my garden, only Tete a Tete escaped relatively unharmed. :'( :'(
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David,
you are not alone. :o >:( Saturday morning brought thunderstorm and hail...
Forecast for monday/tuesday snowfall >:(
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David,
you are not alone. :o >:( Saturday morning brought thunderstorm and hail...
Forecast for monday/tuesday snowfall >:(
We may get a little snow on Monday, and if we do it will be the first snow for three years.
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three years?!
My garden is now mostly my second favourite colour - yellow - but cant do anything to show because I've hurt my back. I simply bent over to lift some labels. Remember the TV ad bent bcak can cause injury, bent back an cause injury bent back ... Very frustrating looking outside with the sun shining
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Narzissus in pot in my garden.
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Nice pics Karl. Here is one of the few in pots I have got to flower this year. I think it was from Tony G (thanks) seems a nice form described as bulb. long corona form