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Title: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 02, 2008, 03:06:50 PM
Here is Narcissus hedraeanthus from Anne Wright.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Maggi Young on February 02, 2008, 05:53:48 PM
What a little charmer.... and the narcissus isn't bad, either.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 02, 2008, 06:24:35 PM
 :P
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 03, 2008, 02:12:24 AM
What did I say about Chinese people and stamp collectors? Actually Maggi, I appreciate the intentions. ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: dominique on February 03, 2008, 09:26:18 AM
That species is one of those I love better but so difficult to find !!!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Armin on February 03, 2008, 10:19:53 PM
Dominique, just little cuties...
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: dominique on February 03, 2008, 11:19:09 PM
That species is one of those I love better but so difficult to find !!!

I speak about Narcissus hedraeanthus !!!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Maggi Young on February 03, 2008, 11:27:09 PM
I think it is sad that it is so hard to find suppliers of many of these winter flowering Narcissus.... I think one reason is the fact that there are no really early flower shows ( in th UK, for instance) where a wider range of people can see these delightful plants.... as we see here, when people are 'introduced' to them, they are very popular but because they are really not very well known, there is not the demand so there is little supply.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: art600 on February 08, 2008, 12:50:16 PM
This was sold as 'Atlas Gold' at our group 2004 Bulb Sale.  Clearly it is not - any suggestions as I like it a lot
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: art600 on February 08, 2008, 01:01:56 PM
Can someone please identify this narcissus - my label says tenufolius, and is obviously wrong
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: ashley on February 08, 2008, 01:15:54 PM
Beautiful, Arthur.  It looks like willkommii to me.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Tony Willis on February 08, 2008, 01:31:13 PM
narcissus bulbocodium from near Avila in Central Spain
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: art600 on February 08, 2008, 01:32:00 PM
Ashley

If it is then I am very happy as I have never flowered it before.  Can confirm when I repot as bulbs quite distinctive.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rob on February 08, 2008, 03:38:45 PM
The sun today has brought out the first N. cyclamineus in my garden

Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 08, 2008, 03:43:02 PM
Looks lovely Rob - show it again when the whole group is open please - should look great !
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: tonyg on February 08, 2008, 10:51:23 PM
Two of my favourite narcissus.
Narcissus cantabricus ssp cantabricus
Narcissus x Minicycla
Now what will happen if I cross pollinate these two :-\
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Armin on February 08, 2008, 10:53:26 PM
for sure you get a N x cantacycla ;D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 09, 2008, 12:35:15 AM
Arthur, I think your NOT `Atlas Gold' one could reasonably just be called N. romieuxii without much other detail. There are so many variants of this delightful species and every batch of seedlings turns up something different and very nice.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 09, 2008, 07:16:34 AM
for sure you get a N x cantacycla ;D

Did anybody ever tried a cross between N. cantabricus and N. cyclamineus?
Perhaps Anne W.?

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 09, 2008, 03:18:36 PM
Here are

1.+ 2.  a cross between Narcissus hedraeanthus white (pollen parent) and a small N. cantabricus. It seems it is fertile, because pollen is built.

3. Narcissus asturiensis
4. a small daffodil received as N. gaditanus but i may be another species

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Lvandelft on February 09, 2008, 03:42:49 PM
Quote
1.+ 2.  a cross between Narcissus hedraeanthus white (pollen parent) and a small N. cantabricus. It seems it is fertile, because pollen is built.
That's a very interesting cross, Gerd. Such a beautiful short trumpet.
I presume the second one has the right colour?
Luit
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 09, 2008, 07:52:31 PM

Quote
That's a very interesting cross, Gerd. Such a beautiful short trumpet.
I presume the second one has the right colour?
Luit

Luit,
The first pic shows some influence of  the artificial light, which is situated over the bench.
The second was made in daylight. The flower is white.

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rafa on February 09, 2008, 08:51:52 PM
Gerd, do you have data collection of aff. gaditanus? I am trying to Id.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 09, 2008, 10:29:40 PM
I was sold Narcissus gaditanus last year but it turned out to be rupicola. :'( Here is another form of hedraeanthus. Now thought to be a hybrid with hedraeanthus.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Paul T on February 10, 2008, 01:12:46 AM
Isn't asturiensis a little beauty!!  Like those hadreanthus pics I've seen too!!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 10, 2008, 10:04:49 AM
Gerd, do you have data collection of aff. gaditanus? I am trying to Id.

The seeds were collected as N. gaditanus near Ejulve, northwest from Teruel. This indeed is far away from the places in Andalucia, from where this species is known.
In my head there is another name, something like ' N. assoanus praelongus ' - but couldn't find the reference.
Did you tell me something like this?

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 10, 2008, 10:14:05 AM
I was sold Narcissus gaditanus last year but it turned out to be rupicola. :'( Here is another form of hedraeanthus.

Anthony,
My God, what a beauty! Why did I struggle and hybridize N. cantabricus and N. hedraeanthus when forms like yours are already in cultivation?
May I ask you for the source of the plant shown?

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 10, 2008, 02:40:28 PM
Gerd, I bought the hedraeanthus from Bob Brown at Cotswold Garden Flowers.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rafa on February 11, 2008, 02:56:55 PM
Gerd, so this is N. assoanus subsp. assoanus.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 11, 2008, 05:46:40 PM
Rafa,
Thank you, I'll change the label.

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rafa on February 11, 2008, 05:54:59 PM
Gerd, It could be possible a mistake labelling the collection data?
This green tube and the curvature corresponds to N. gaditanus....
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 11, 2008, 07:34:09 PM
Gerd, It could be possible a mistake labelling the collection data?
This green tube and the curvature corresponds to N. gaditanus....

Rafa,
According Flora Vascular de Andalucía Occidental N. gaditanus is restricted to the south of Spain and Portugal.  So I believe you are right with your first guess.
N. assoanus grows further north in eastern Spain, France and Turkey(!).
This Flora also says for N. assoanus (although for ssp. praelongus ): tubo del periantio de 12-28 mm, recto o ligeramente curvado.
I am waiting for flowers from a plant which perhaps is more 'gaditanus' at least from the distribution. I'll send a pic.

Gerd





Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rafa on February 11, 2008, 08:11:35 PM
This is so variable genus Narcissus that is impossible to recognize anything!!!
If the data collection is correct there is just this posibility (if botanists are right): Narcissus assoanus ssp. assoanus.
(= )

If I have understood well
:
N. gaditanus= curved, green/yellow tube
N. fernandesii= right, green tube
N. fernandesii var. rivas-martinezii = very little N. fernandesii, right leaves, and quite curved yellow tube (sometimes green).
N. baeticus = N. assoanus subsp. praelongus
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 11, 2008, 08:52:03 PM
This is so variable genus Narcissus that is impossible to recognize anything!!!
If the data collection is correct there is just this posibility (if botanists are right): Narcissus assoanus ssp. assoanus.

YES, so it is. Sometimes a horror.

Where did you find the illustration? It looks familiar to me but I can't remember where I saw it (senior moment!).

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rafa on February 11, 2008, 09:00:06 PM
The illustrations are from Dr. Rafael Díez Domínguez Book! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 11, 2008, 09:57:28 PM
The illustrations are from Dr. Rafael Díez Domínguez Book! ;D ;D ;D

Can I order a copy, and will you sign it? :D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rafa on February 11, 2008, 10:21:58 PM
Well Anthony I'm affraid this sketch that I did in 10 minutes is actually being auctioned in Christie's, you will have to ask them about any further information good luck!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 11, 2008, 10:54:20 PM
I'll send Ian (of the Christie kind) an email and ask what he expects it to go for? ;D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 12, 2008, 07:18:26 AM
The illustrations are from Dr. Rafael Díez Domínguez Book! ;D ;D ;D

Dear Dr. D.D.,
PLEASE continue with these sketches - in combination with your superb pics it will be a wonderful daffodil book
 - title: D D D  (Díez Domínguez Daffodils)  ;D

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: dominique on February 13, 2008, 10:57:38 PM
Gerd and Rafa,
Thank for this sketch which teach me many things about this lovely genus. I have some little bulbs of N.. gaditanus with filiform leaves that I grow since three years from seeds. Perhaps flowers next year and I will need too the lights of Rafa, the Narcissus King !

Now wild other Narcissus
Narcissus bulbocodium paucinervis
 Narcissus bulbocodium praecox 2
 Narcissus cordubensis
 Narcissus tazetta ssp pachybolbus

Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: dominique on February 13, 2008, 10:59:25 PM
and Horticultural cultivars
Narcissus 'Julia Jane'
 Narcissus 'Julia Jane' et Narcissus romieuxii.
 Narcissus romieuxii (jardin
 Narcissus 'Minicycla'

Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: dominique on February 13, 2008, 11:00:50 PM
The last ones
Narcissus papyraceus 'Sheleg'
 Narcissus 'Rinjvelt Early Sensation'
 Narcissus tazetta plena 'Constantinopel'.
 Narcissus tazetta 'Sacred Chinese Lily'

Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rafa on February 13, 2008, 11:06:07 PM
Fantastic show! Dominique,
Thank you for your cumpliment, but I am just a beginner.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Maggi Young on February 13, 2008, 11:07:40 PM
Rafa, you are the King because you so delight us with your photos from the wild!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: art600 on February 13, 2008, 11:09:00 PM
Dominique

Thanks for some beautiful photos

Where did you get the incredible Narcissus tazetta ssp pachybolbus - it is top of my wants list
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Lvandelft on February 13, 2008, 11:16:09 PM
That's a nice series Dominique, with some very special ones!
Show more please!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rafa on February 13, 2008, 11:18:39 PM
Thank you Maggi, tomorrow I will visit a place with about 8 Narcissus species. There is a moment about mid march they are in bloom at the same time not far between each others.

But at this moment just N. cantabricus will be in bloom, I hope to pictured var. petunioides in the wild!!

Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Maggi Young on February 13, 2008, 11:20:20 PM
Very exciting Rafa, have a good trip!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: dominique on February 14, 2008, 01:16:42 AM
Good trip too for nice pics for the pleasure of all. Rafa, you have the humility of the greats.
Thank you Luit, promised other pics with the season
Arthur, I have Narcissus pachybolbus from Dix export in Holland
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 14, 2008, 08:54:54 PM
Great photos, everybody! :D I've been away for a couple of days and all these posts happen! Anthony I love your hedreanthus - how tall is it, and could you spare a seed or two?
I find it difficult to cross hoop petticoat types with trumpet types, but do occasionally succeed - will definitely try that cross this season.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 14, 2008, 09:38:58 PM
Narcissus minor Douglas Bank edit name. M..... OOPS! Douglasbank
Narcissus cyclamineus
Narcissus Inca, ? I bought this from the MBC as Inca but I don't think that it is correct.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Lvandelft on February 14, 2008, 10:54:48 PM
Narcissus minor Douglas Bank edit name. M

Nice pictures Michael.

Maggi did edit the name, but I saw at Daff Seek the name Douglasbank.
Probably the Scots will know best, but there is a good description on Daff Seek.
How would Mr Buchanan have called it really? He's a Scot too I presume?
http://daffseek.org/ (ftp://http://daffseek.org/)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Maggi Young on February 14, 2008, 11:07:17 PM
Luit, Michael, my apologies! 'Douglasbank' is the correct name.... it was the name of Mr Buchanan's home, if I remember that correctly!!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Lvandelft on February 14, 2008, 11:33:02 PM
Luit, Michael, my apologies! 'Douglasbank' is the correct name.... it was the name of Mr Buchanan's home, if I remember that correctly!!

Oh Maggi, where would we be without YOUR memory?   :-*
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Jim McKenney on February 15, 2008, 02:57:47 AM
This is my first post to this group, although I’ve been lurking and enjoying since last August. The little daffs are beginning to bloom here in Maryland, USA,  in my cold frame. Attached are pictures of two: Narcissus albidus var. foliosus and N. pachybolbus (or if you prefer, Narcissus tazetta ssp. pachybolbus).  
There are lots of other white-flowered hoop petticoats in the frame, and I’m ashamed to say that so far I have not learned to tell many of them apart very well. Luckily I like them all. I won't pretend for a minute that I really understand the naming conventions in this group - please feel free to make suggestions if you think I have used the wrong names.
The modern Israeli Narcissus tazetta cultivar 'Ziva' is also blooming in the same frame. It is a huge improvement in size and number of flowers over the paper whites I remember from my youth. And this plant growing in the frame is much better than any I have ever seen forced in the house.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 15, 2008, 10:34:58 AM
Welcome to the Forum Jim. What a great start with Narcissus pachybolbos. Mine looks like it will have no flowers this year. :-\
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Maggi Young on February 15, 2008, 10:53:39 AM
Hello, Jim, great to have you posting.

 I've had enough of these teasing photos  ;)... I am going to speak to Fred Admin.... we MUST have a scent facility enabled on this Forum....I NEED it!   It  distresses me to see these great photos of scented gems that make me drool to think of the perfume I'm missing..... ::)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Tony Willis on February 15, 2008, 11:11:25 AM
What lovely pictures Jim  and a super website
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: David Nicholson on February 15, 2008, 04:18:03 PM
What lovely pictures Jim  and a super website

I agree, I have added it to my Favourites, a warm welcome to you Jim.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 15, 2008, 06:20:36 PM
At last I have a little time to post some of my own! The first two are outside - 'Sidora' and N. bulbocodium tenuifolius(?) in troughs.
Then two from Keira in Australia, a numbered hybrid, and 'Papa Snoz'. Lastly N. hedreanthus x asturiensis, all seedlings being very similar to each other.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 15, 2008, 06:22:18 PM
By contrast in size, here is a pot of mature Sidora inside.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 15, 2008, 06:29:53 PM
At last I have a little time to post some of my own! The first two are outside - 'Sidora' and N. bulbocodium tenuifolius(?) in troughs.
Then two from Keira in Australia, a numbered hybrid, and 'Papa Snoz'. Lastly N. hedreanthus x asturiensis, all seedlings being very similar to each other.

Anne,
Nice pictures. Are these N. hedraeanthus x asturiensis the same ones as you showed in 2007 (or was it only one then)? It seems to be a good growing and healthy cross, isn't it?

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: David Nicholson on February 15, 2008, 07:07:46 PM
It is a very odd year!! I saw my first clump of Narcissus growing on a grass verge in one of the local villages in the middle of November. I usually have clumps in the garden by early January but not this year. So far only February Gold is in full flower with plenty of other noses showing but Narcissus Jenny has only just proved this week that I hadn't lost it. Even the bulbs I have in the greenhouse are being very slow.

Great pictures everyone.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rafa on February 15, 2008, 08:35:20 PM
Very nice crosses and pictures!


This is an early Narcissus confusus
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 15, 2008, 08:59:26 PM
Same pot as last year, Gerd. It is never going to win any prizes for beauty, but I like it!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 15, 2008, 10:21:40 PM
Die Schönheit liegt im Auge des Betrachters !
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

- the translation told me that we share the same proverb -

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: tonyg on February 16, 2008, 12:03:55 AM
I would like to show you pictures of N x susannae about now but they are not showing any sign of growth :(  So I tipped them out expecting to find nasty fat grubs in the bulbs (as I had done with two of their former potmates at repotting time.)  However the bulbs are fat and hard - just no roots, no leaves, no nothing.  They seem to be taking a year off.  Has anyone else had experiences like this with narcissus?  I have known a few other bulbs do this and return in good health ... but not narcissus.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 16, 2008, 10:39:05 AM
Wasn't around the Forum yesterday and now find 3 extra pages full of Narcissi !!!  :D
Brilliant pictures everyone - simply mouthwatering !  ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rafa on February 16, 2008, 07:33:42 PM
Today evening in our dry fields in Spain  :-\
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 16, 2008, 07:49:04 PM
Hi Rafa,
Moody pic. Thank you.
Is it true that Spain suffers from a lack of rain again?
Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: hadacekf on February 16, 2008, 08:10:11 PM
Raffa, a wonderful evening!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rafa on February 16, 2008, 08:13:36 PM
Yes it is Gerd, do you remeber Entrepeñas and Buen Día reservoirs situated  at the beginning of the Tajo River?
Well, they are two of the biggest reservoirs in Central Spain (Guadalajara Region) and they are at around 18% of their capacity.

I have seen both reservoirs at 80% about 10 years ago and it looked like the sea was coming into the land with boats sailing on it and some little islands. And now there is only a bit of water at the bottom near the reservoir wall.

Despite that, they carry on building absurd building projects like hotels (Las Vegas style), Golf courses etc... The latest and most insulting one is situated in Los Monegros Desert, in Zaragoza. This is one of the most hostile places in Spain, for its drought, winds and extreme temperatures in the summer time as well as in the winter time.

In my town it usually snows from October to May, and this year it only snowed one day and ridiculous quantity.

Ignorance and economic interests are not good allies against global warming....
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rafa on February 16, 2008, 08:15:46 PM
Yes it is Franz!,
also I have seen N. confusus starting to bloom near those N. nivalis, but the light was very low to take pictures.


Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: ChrisB on February 16, 2008, 08:34:35 PM
What a wonderful sight they must be Rafa.  I'm green with envy.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 16, 2008, 09:00:00 PM
Thank you so much for showing these little wild ones, Rafa.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 16, 2008, 09:32:59 PM
Here a couple of new babies - 'Candlepower', 'Snook' (very like Mite) and 'Second Fiddle'
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: David Nicholson on February 17, 2008, 10:57:10 AM
Candlepower-Ooooooooh ;D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: mark smyth on February 17, 2008, 01:21:35 PM
Anne please show some close ups of the Narcissus
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 17, 2008, 04:42:59 PM
OK - Candlepower followered by Gipsy Queen to compare. Then Snook, and lastly Second Fiddle.... :-[
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 17, 2008, 04:44:48 PM
Hum, last 2 wrong way round. ;D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 18, 2008, 05:11:20 AM
Anne,
glad to see a pic of Second Fiddle as I've just ordered it myself from Marcus Harvey in Tasmania. Errrr, the 2nd pic of it looks a bit ragged...? Possums?
Your cross of N. hedraeanthus and N. asturiensis looks absolutely cute!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 18, 2008, 10:24:32 AM
I agree with Fermi re: the cross of N. hedraeanthus and N. asturiensis . I really must try and force some of the latter or store some pollen of the former? :)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 18, 2008, 11:25:39 AM
I wonder what the reverse cross would be like? ::)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Maggi Young on February 18, 2008, 11:58:08 AM
BD says that when he has made both sets of narcissus crosses with other species, he has got pretty much the same results, whoever is the pollen parent...... always fun to try, though, isn't it?
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 18, 2008, 06:54:34 PM
I once found in a book (I have forgotten where)
The father (pollen) has an influence to the colour of the hybrid
and the mother an influence to the shape (height).
 
- but I never made a test to verify this.

Gerd
 
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: David Nicholson on February 18, 2008, 07:45:12 PM
Narcissus 'February Gold' from my garden today.

Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 18, 2008, 08:16:18 PM
In the RHS Daffodil and Tulip Yearbook 1956, Douglas Blanchard wrote that a seedling gets the perianth from the mother and the colour and flowering time from the father.
My Feb Golds are only 8cm high as yet! It stayed frozen all day today in shady places, yet I saw a butterfly in a sunny patch!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Maggi Young on February 18, 2008, 09:38:05 PM
Yes, I have read these words about, so to speak,"gene allocation" when hybridising... seems our daffs , though, have not ::)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 19, 2008, 09:56:45 AM
There is also mitochondrial DNA which is only in the ovule?
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Maggi Young on February 19, 2008, 11:46:08 AM
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There is also mitochondrial DNA which is only in the ovule?

Well, exactly.... so why have we found so little difference???
By the way, is it mitochondrial or mitRochondrial, or mitrochondial ???? One of those words which confuses me completely.... like pyroclastic  :-\ :-[
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Andrew on February 19, 2008, 05:58:22 PM
Narcissus 'Jim Lad'

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and to show the scale.

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Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Maggi Young on February 19, 2008, 06:06:42 PM
What a cutie... he's one on Anne Wright's babies, too, isn't he? She makes a lovely mother, that woman.... ::)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: ChrisB on February 19, 2008, 06:52:47 PM
Such a tiny baby - must be a preme ...... very cute
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 19, 2008, 07:22:13 PM
What is the coin? How big?
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 19, 2008, 07:24:22 PM
That's a Euro Lesley - measures abt 1.5 cm.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 19, 2008, 07:40:10 PM
Thanks Luc. If I'd enlarged the pic I would have seen that but then why would I enlarge a pic when the plant is grown for its smallness? So a real baby then, definitely cute as Chris says.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 19, 2008, 09:33:30 PM
Narcissus 'Jim Lad'


Must get that. I call James 'Jim lad' when I'm in a good mood, though it's a long time since he was remotely as cute as that little gem. :D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rafa on February 19, 2008, 11:47:38 PM
Just for enjoy some 2007 pics.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Tony Willis on February 19, 2008, 11:47:40 PM
I am frozen solid at the moment so nothing much happening so here are three from the wild
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rafa on February 19, 2008, 11:50:47 PM
WOW Tony! you did a fantastic expedition!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 20, 2008, 07:03:49 AM
Tony, Rafa,
Fantastic, these were dream-like sights.
Thank you both!

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Tony Willis on February 20, 2008, 10:20:53 AM
Rafa

I wandered along the Pyrennese for two weeks from Nuria to Portalet and saw about a dozen species. It was in 2004 and I took only a few digital pictures the rest were slides.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rafa on February 20, 2008, 10:33:33 AM
Very beautiful trip Tony,

Have you seen Narcissus moleroi?
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 20, 2008, 10:38:24 AM
Wonderful pix people - beautiful !!  Thanks for showing
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Tony Willis on February 20, 2008, 10:59:20 AM
Very beautiful trip Tony,

Have you seen Narcissus moleroi?

I see in his article AGS66 vol 3 John Blanchard considers it a form of alpestris and I visited the site at cerler and there were thousands of pale yellow 'alpestris' so I suppose the answer is yes. here it is.

I cannot reply further today as I am of to Nottingham to look at some galanthus.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 20, 2008, 12:13:39 PM
Brilliant pics Rafa and Tony. Did I miss what the species was in your pics Rafa?
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 20, 2008, 05:35:12 PM
What a wonderful sight/site! :o Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Casalima on February 20, 2008, 05:39:53 PM
Very wonderful indeed!!

Chloë
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rafa on February 20, 2008, 06:09:12 PM
Thank you Tony,

First, I identified the species as N. confusus because 200m dawn there were some of them. But in the top of the mountain the species is  N. pseudonarcissus ssp. nobilis between N. rupicola.

Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: mark smyth on February 20, 2008, 06:14:53 PM
Andrew your Jim Lad looks very drawn

Tony a yellow alpestris is very appealing
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 21, 2008, 08:37:55 AM
Jim's a growing Lad! ;D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 21, 2008, 04:50:26 PM
Today after the rain disappeared

1. Narcissus bicolor (?) from the Col de Pourtalet
2. Narcissus x litigiosus (N. x susannae; N.  x munozii-garmandiae)  -
    just one month later than Rafa's plants!
3. Narcissus bulbocodium from Oukaimeden - High Atlas mountains

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 21, 2008, 06:52:43 PM
Some beautiful Narcissi there Gerd !
I'm particularly fond of the pristine white Narc.x litigiosus - it's a real beauty !!  :o
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Paddy Tobin on February 21, 2008, 09:20:06 PM
Beautiful blooms, Gerd.

Love the white also, so perfectly clean and clear.

Paddy
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 21, 2008, 09:36:21 PM
The pic above of N. alpestris, the perfect white one, is just wonderful BUT where are the green spots? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 22, 2008, 10:24:52 AM
Tony W.,
After looking back to your Narcissus nobilis from Port de Portalet (febr. 19th) I ask myself whether this is the same plant as my Narcissus bicolor (febr. 21th) which I received some years ago with the label: Narc. spec. Col de Pourtalet?
I identified mine as " bicolor " according the position of the stamens (Blanchard: inserted at or only just above the base) - but, the coronas of your plants are much longer.
Is Portalet = Pourtalet? - Do both species co-occure?

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Tony Willis on February 22, 2008, 04:10:54 PM
Gerd

I have no idea as to the answer to your question on identifying the species.I get my information on where to find plants mostly from Scottish Rock and AGS bulletins and then try and confirm the identities of plants I find with knowledgeable friends.I was told that it was nobilis and I think the place is the same as yours came from. The narcissus seem very confused  and here are two more pictures of alpestris which will add to it. The yellow one is from the same site as the white one and is not the yellow form from Cerler which as Rafa pointed out comes with a different name..
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Tony Willis on February 22, 2008, 04:19:30 PM
Some more varied ones
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rafa on February 22, 2008, 06:15:29 PM
WOW! guys great pictures and amazing species!

One N. confusus
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Rafa on February 22, 2008, 06:28:37 PM
Who is that indigenous man in the last picture? :o ;D

This is Narcissus bulbocdium. ssp. bulbocodium var. nivalis. I'm still looking for find N x stenanthus!!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerry Webster on February 22, 2008, 06:38:55 PM


Narcissus x litigiosus (N. x susannae; N.  x munozii-garmandiae)  -
   
Gerd - what a stunningly beautiful plant. Many thanks for showing it
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 22, 2008, 07:24:34 PM
Gerd
I have no idea as to the answer to your question on identifying the species.I get my information on where to find plants mostly from Scottish Rock and AGS bulletins and then try and confirm the identities of plants I find with knowledgeable friends.

Tony,
So do I, but the more you read in different books and articles the more you become like a Narcissus confusus .
What does it matter? A name is just a name - nothing more.
Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 22, 2008, 07:37:07 PM
Who is that indigenous man in the last picture? :o ;D
This is Narcissus bulbocdium. ssp. bulbocodium var. nivalis. I'm still looking for find N x stenanthus!!

Rafa, beautiful pictures, as usual!
I guess the strange person on the ground is one of those crazy forum members suffering
from a bizarre disease called yellow fever. I hope it wasn't you.  ;D

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 22, 2008, 07:50:08 PM
Narcissus romieuxii
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Maggi Young on February 22, 2008, 07:53:36 PM
It is certainly a sufferer of the yellow fever, Gerd.... look, the poor soul has fallen to the ground, he is writhing amongst the oak leaves , he stretches his arms in desperation.... yes, see,  he is trying to photgraph a narcissus... a serious case.... possibly no cure.....happily by this stage of the disease he will have completely lost his mind, so, actually, he is NOT SUFFERING as such... he feels only enjoyment and a deep longing...... :-X

Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Armin on February 22, 2008, 08:58:10 PM
Hi et all,
thanks for the beauti narcissus show.

I have a question to the experts regarding section pseudonarcissus.

I would like to know what are the distinct differences of N.nobilis vs. N.bicolor var. bicolor vs. N.confusus vs. N. pseudonacissus subsp. pseudonarcissus var. pseudonarcissus???  >:(
Is it growing location, color of leaves, size, chromosomes no. ect.???
For me they look all rather equal - bicolor flowers. Very beautiful and desireable.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 23, 2008, 08:50:27 AM
Maybe they should all be lumped under confusus?
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 23, 2008, 08:51:49 AM
By the way, I appreciate the contortions our reporters have to endure to bring us such superb photos :D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 23, 2008, 12:37:54 PM
Is it growing location, color of leaves, size, chromosomes no. ect.???

Yes, it is - add flower colour!

I know, this is a very short answer  :).

A wide view  would take the space of nearly a book.
Narcissus taxonomy is a tricky thing and always in a state of flux - I believe if you ask two different experts (I am none of them), I am sure you will get at least two different answers.

Good books concerning this theme are ' Narcissus' by John W. Blanchard and
'Alles über Narzissen ' by Gerhard Bahnert.

Gerd



Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Hans J on February 24, 2008, 05:09:06 PM
Here

Narcissus cyclamineus ( free in my garden )

received from a nice friend before some years ....
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Armin on February 24, 2008, 09:20:50 PM
Quote
Yes, it is - add flower colour!
I know, this is a very short answer  :).

A wide view  would take the space of nearly a book.
Narcissus taxonomy is a tricky thing and always in a state of flux - I believe if you ask two different experts (I am none of them), I am sure you will get at least two different answers.

Good books concerning this theme are ' Narcissus' by John W. Blanchard and
'Alles über Narzissen ' by Gerhard Bahnert.
Gerd
Gerd,
thank you for the book references.

Anne,
I tend to agree your proposal - confusus :-\

Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 25, 2008, 10:49:36 AM
Here

Narcissus cyclamineus ( free in my garden )

received from a nice friend before some years ....

Glad to see it is doing well Hans.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 25, 2008, 06:24:10 PM
Here are some daffodils from today

1. Narcissus pseudonarcissus - of wild origin from the 'Eifel'
2. A very small N. cyclamineus from N. Spain
3. N. hedraeanthus white
4. N. hedraeanthus x N. triandrus
5. N. cantabricus from Ronda

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 25, 2008, 06:31:03 PM
OOOH! I like that white hedreanthus! :o
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Lvandelft on February 25, 2008, 06:40:10 PM
Quote
A very small N. cyclamineus from N. Spain

That IS a lovely one Gerd!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 25, 2008, 07:00:04 PM
Some more things opened over the weekend - two more of Keira's hybrids, and Narcissus 'Wavertree', which is a selected large form of asturiensis.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Armin on February 25, 2008, 07:05:24 PM
Here are some daffodils from today

1. Narcissus pseudonarcissus - of wild origin from the 'Eifel'
2. A very small N. cyclamineus from N. Spain
3. N. hedraeanthus white
4. N. hedraeanthus x N. triandrus
5. N. cantabricus from Ronda

Gerd

Gerd, beautiful cuties.
The N.pseudonarcissus 'Eifel' syn. is "N. lobularis"? Right?
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 25, 2008, 07:31:03 PM

Stunning flowers Gerd !!  :o
N. pseudonarcissus will never flower with me  :(
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Lvandelft on February 25, 2008, 09:32:58 PM
Anne, this K 6 is a very nice one!


Quote
N. pseudonarcissus will never flower with me 

Luc, you'll have to build a lava bed... ;D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: dominique on February 26, 2008, 12:34:27 AM
thanks all for your pics


Narcissus calcicola hâtif
 Narcissus cordubensis
 Narcissus cyclamineus Mite
 Narcissus pseudonarcissus (Corrèze)
 Narcissus requienii
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 26, 2008, 06:20:10 AM
Anne, this K 6 is a very nice one!


Quote
N. pseudonarcissus will never flower with me 

Luc, you'll have to build a lava bed... ;D

Anne, I can only repeat what Luit said - very, very nice, indeed!

Luc, I can't believe it, you are joking  ???

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 26, 2008, 06:42:32 AM


The N.pseudonarcissus 'Eifel' syn. is "N. lobularis"? Right?

[/quote]


Armin,
Yes, I found N. pseudonarcissus ssp. lobularis for the Eifel-population

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 26, 2008, 08:40:30 AM
[
Luc, I can't believe it, you are joking  ???

Gerd
[/quote]

I'm afraid not Gerd, mine is N. pseudonarcissus ss pseudonarcissus and it stubornly refuses to flower.  It's in a normal border bed covered with bark, maybe it doesn't like that ?  I'll try another spot.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 26, 2008, 12:25:51 PM
I can't grow this species either - I have seedlings grown from seeds gathered in a Northumberland wood 15 years ago, and they barely increase in size, let alone flower!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 26, 2008, 12:29:07 PM
Interestingly, or maybe everyone else already knows this, I collected one stem of the narcissus with a green seed pod, and kept it in water at home until it turned yellow, then sowed the seeds, which germinated very well, so you don't necessarily need to have seed ripen on the plant. Or then again, maybe if you do this, the plants will take 20 years to flower...
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 26, 2008, 01:14:07 PM
I can't grow this species either - I have seedlings grown from seeds gathered in a Northumberland wood 15 years ago, and they barely increase in size, let alone flower!

Pfff, quite a relief for me that I'm not alone  ;D
Thanks Anne
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 26, 2008, 03:10:16 PM
Gerd, I thought one of the key features of Narcissus hedraeanthus was the horizontal flowering stem? I have what I thought was hedraeanthus from CGF and it is probably a hybrid, or so I was told at the Early Bulb Display.
See http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1302.15 and scroll down.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 26, 2008, 04:22:52 PM
Anthony,
An horizontal or up to 45 ° flowering stem and relatively small straw coloured flowers are typical for the hedraeanthus population of the Sierra de Cazorla. In other regions, the  Sierra de Alcaraz and the Sierra Morena for instance, you can find larger plants with a more erect stem and larger flowers - which are coloured from a more intense yellow to almost white. These are called Narcissus hedraeanthus ssp. luteolentus by Blanchard.
Unfortunately even the Cazorla plants react with a more upright stem when grown without
sufficiant light.
So I would not say your plant is a hybrid but rather a superb form of hedraeanthus.

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Hans J on February 27, 2008, 08:04:28 AM
Gerd ( and all other ):

a question :
do you know what is the common name for Narcissus in South Africa ?
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Gerdk on February 27, 2008, 10:12:53 AM
Gerd ( and all other ):
a question :
do you know what is the common name for Narcissus in South Africa ?

Hans,

in Afrikaans: narsis - rektig?   bron: google
in Xhosa: ?  ;)

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Hans J on February 27, 2008, 10:15:04 AM
Sorry Gerd - no points  ::)

they have a special word ( not botanical )
Google knows not all ......
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Maggi Young on February 27, 2008, 12:11:37 PM
Quote
a question :
do you know what is the common name for Narcissus in South Africa
"yellow trumpet flower from abroad" ? ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Hans J on February 27, 2008, 12:45:53 PM
 :oMaggi  :o

You dissapointet me !
sorry - no points for Scotland

I was shure you find it .....
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Maggi Young on February 27, 2008, 02:24:23 PM
It is not "Hairbells", because that is what they call Dierama  ::)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Hans J on February 27, 2008, 02:34:10 PM
now I have to wait for Arne .....

maybe it is able for him ....
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Lvandelft on February 27, 2008, 03:02:34 PM
May I play the game too?  Coming just from the beautiful flowerbulb fields.

NARSING.        :D :D :D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Tony Willis on February 27, 2008, 03:14:52 PM
It is not "Hairbells", because that is what they call Dierama  ::)

surely not ,I thought it was angels fishing rod
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Hans J on February 27, 2008, 03:20:01 PM
Sorry Luit - no point for the Netherlands ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 27, 2008, 04:00:59 PM
Here's the entry for Belgium

PAASBLOMME
 :D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Hans J on February 27, 2008, 04:04:44 PM
Sorry Luc - no point for Belgium ( but clever idea )
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Lvandelft on February 27, 2008, 04:05:42 PM
Oops, I forgot we have a very strict Master today   :-[

Geel Narsing    :D   
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Hans J on February 27, 2008, 04:12:10 PM
No Luit !

the name in South Africa has nothing to do with name of flowers ..... ::)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 27, 2008, 04:13:56 PM
 :( :( :(
I never win the lottery either....
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Hans J on February 27, 2008, 04:16:49 PM
Where are the other Narcissus specialists ..... ???
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Lvandelft on February 27, 2008, 04:46:54 PM
Dear Hans you may have another name for it, but when you read this you might also get a bit confused??
I tried to make a (free) translation of it in English.

En die ander dag die eerste blom wat ek nóg geplant het: 'n narsing!
Ook bekend as narcissus. Die plant word dus geassosieër met dié Griekse mite, al is dit nie vernoem na die mooi jonkman wat danksy Nemesis op sy eie spieëlbeeld verlief geraak het nie.
Die stamwoord is narkao, wat beteken "om te verdoof." Soos in narkose. Die rede: die bolle, blare en selfs blomme is dikwels giftig, byvoorbeeld dié van die affodil. (Die digtersnarsing is volgens botaniste nóg dodeliker)

Yesterday I planted the first flower:'n narsing!
Also known as narcissus This plant is associated with the Greek mythe, though it is not named after
the nice younger who thanks to Nemesis fell in love in his own face in the mirror.
The 'stam word"is narkao , which means : to anaesthesize. So in narcose.
Caused by: the bulbs, leaves and even the flowers are often poisonous, like those of the "affodil"
The Poets narsing is after botanists more deadly.

I may not get the points but I earned the BONUS, don't I?  ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: mark smyth on February 27, 2008, 06:46:38 PM
Just catching up with this thread. Lots up in the garden now. The rubbish end of a suuny day meant only a few photos.

My 'Jim Lad' stands 6" 15cm

Here is 'Fairy Gold' 3.5 " 8cm - Anne it will be over by the time you visit.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Hans J on February 27, 2008, 08:09:21 PM
Hi all :

Here is the solution of this puzzle :
Narcissus are in Afrikaans :

Koppie en Piering

...this means : Cup and Saucer 8)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Maggi Young on February 27, 2008, 08:13:58 PM
Quote
this means : Cup and Saucer
What a great name for them!  8) It seems so obvious now we are told   :D ;D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 27, 2008, 08:23:53 PM
Fairy Gold is very nice.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Maggi Young on February 27, 2008, 08:36:53 PM
Anne, .....Mark says ......'Fairy Gold' 3.5 "/ 8cm


Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: mark smyth on February 27, 2008, 08:39:19 PM
Half of what I have are for the chop this year. I cant afford another fly attack. I was down to one bulb a few years ago

Do you want length of trumpet?
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 28, 2008, 05:01:52 PM
Half of what I have are for the chop this year.

What do you mean, Mark?
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: mark smyth on February 28, 2008, 05:50:09 PM
twinscaling
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: art600 on February 28, 2008, 06:43:00 PM
Hi all :

Here is the solution of this puzzle :
Narcissus are in Afrikaans :

Koppie en Piering

...this means : Cup and Saucer 8)

Hans

Did you know that 'Cup And Saucer' is what some people call Canterbury Bells (Campanula medium).
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Hans J on February 28, 2008, 06:58:57 PM
Arthur :

It is real funny with all the names in different areas !

In Germany are Narcissus  : Osterglocken ( bells of Easter )
In Bavaria : Maerzenbecher ( cup of March )
in the rest of Germany are Maerzenbecher : Leucojum aestivum
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 28, 2008, 09:01:34 PM
Narcissus cyclamineus.
      "       Gipsy Queen
      "       Inca 
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: mark smyth on February 28, 2008, 09:13:40 PM
My Inca doesnt look like yours, Michael. Where did yours come from? Do they change colour?
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 28, 2008, 09:31:35 PM
Mark, from MBC. I don't think it is correct like most of the order I got from them.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 28, 2008, 09:34:53 PM
My rockery white is not correct either, and don't mention the crocus I got from them. No order this year!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: mark smyth on February 28, 2008, 10:46:48 PM
Yours are correct according to the daffseek pages
http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?photo3=fdc9451bedbe1d876d7a971b25521a3f&pagenum1=1 (http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?photo3=fdc9451bedbe1d876d7a971b25521a3f&pagenum1=1)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 28, 2008, 10:56:40 PM
Mark, do you mean that I have got something that is correct.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: mark smyth on February 28, 2008, 11:42:46 PM
Is everyone finding Narcissus blooming too early this year? Looking at last year's photos mine are up to 17 days early compared to last year. March 12th '06 was a Sunday so I may have been off to take the photos.

The following are out now
Trena 17th March
Tete-a-tete 12th March
lost label 12th March
Fairy Gold 8th March
Gipsy Queen March
Jim Lad March 12th
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: mark smyth on February 28, 2008, 11:46:09 PM
Here are a few from last weekend

cyclamineous
ex Primrose Warburg
longispathus
Snipe or is it Mitzy? I favour the former as none are fading to white
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on February 29, 2008, 08:09:45 AM
What a lovely clump whatever it is.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 29, 2008, 08:48:04 AM
I agree with you Ann !
Very nice Mark !
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: mark smyth on February 29, 2008, 08:58:46 AM
Too many snowdrops and Narcissus in the garden need dividing. It amazing Snipe/Mitzy can keep going. I see one flower that's fading. It was for sale at £15 a bulb butpallidiflorus was £2.50 each
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Lvandelft on February 29, 2008, 09:22:50 AM
Too many snowdrops and Narcissus in the garden need dividing. It amazing Snipe/Mitzy can keep going. I see one flower that's fading. It was for sale at £15 a bulb butpallidiflorus was £2.50 each

Quite a lot of problems Mark!
Relax, it's not good for your heart.

Who said that?  ;D ;D 8)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Anthony Darby on February 29, 2008, 10:51:36 AM
Beautiful clumps Mark. Must get some more small narcissi. :)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: carolesmith on February 29, 2008, 05:48:33 PM
Just recovering from all the galanthus outings and have discovered this site.  Thanks to all contributors, it is fascinating with some wonderful photographs. I agree with the last post, I need to collect more small narcissus.  Both Jim Lad and Sidora (received from Anne last year) are in flower for me, only hope I can look after them well. 
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: mark smyth on February 29, 2008, 05:55:32 PM
From my experience Jim will do better under cover. Sidora is OK outside - so far ..
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: mark smyth on February 29, 2008, 06:04:07 PM
I meant to add seeing these miniatures is easy but sourcing them is the problem. Those who have them dont part with them. I have a feeling they are being bulked and awaiting greater interest to command higher prices.

Some are easy to come by like
Gipsy Queen
minor
nanus
Little Beauty
WP Milner
Queen Annes Double
Cedric Morris
Lilliput
Minicycla
Elka
Toby
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: carolesmith on February 29, 2008, 06:06:33 PM
Thanks Mark. They are both in cold greenhouse at the moment, guess I would like to build them up before I risk putting them outside.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: mark smyth on February 29, 2008, 06:24:46 PM
Scamp lists some easy to find miniature trumpets
http://www.qualitydaffodils.com/home.php?cat=18 (http://www.qualitydaffodils.com/home.php?cat=18)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: annew on March 01, 2008, 07:49:56 PM
Jim lad has survived 3yrs outside in a trough  :)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: David Nicholson on March 01, 2008, 08:25:37 PM
Last night's gales decimated the Narcissus in my garden, only Tete a Tete escaped relatively unharmed. :'( :'(
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Armin on March 02, 2008, 06:12:29 PM
David,
you are not alone. :o >:( Saturday morning brought thunderstorm and hail...
Forecast for monday/tuesday snowfall >:(
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: David Nicholson on March 02, 2008, 07:40:09 PM
David,
you are not alone. :o >:( Saturday morning brought thunderstorm and hail...
Forecast for monday/tuesday snowfall >:(

We may get a little snow on Monday, and if we do it will be the first snow for three years.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: mark smyth on March 03, 2008, 02:50:36 PM
three years?!

My garden is now mostly my second favourite colour - yellow - but cant do anything to show because I've hurt my back. I simply bent over to lift some labels. Remember the TV ad bent bcak can cause injury, bent back an cause injury bent back ... Very frustrating looking outside with the sun shining
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: Viola on March 03, 2008, 03:24:35 PM
Narzissus in pot in my garden.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 08
Post by: ian mcenery on March 03, 2008, 06:48:35 PM
Nice pics Karl. Here is one of the few in pots I have got to flower this year. I think it was from Tony G (thanks) seems a nice form described as bulb. long corona form
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