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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: SteveC2 on January 12, 2015, 09:55:22 AM
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You have to love the variety of these terrestrial orchids. Moving from the huge Himantoglossum caprinum (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8036.450 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8036.450) )to one of my tiny Corysanthes diemenica (aka Corybas diemenicus). A first flowering for me but I am glad to see the single tuber has bulked up to three in one season. (There is a third plant growing, but it is hidden and not flowering, honest!)
Difficult to photograph as it is sitting so low in the pot. The tubers are tiny so I didn't repot last year for fear of losing them.
Yes that is a 5p in the picture for scale.
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You have to love the variety of these terrestrial orchids. Moving from the huge Himantoglossum caprinum to one of my tiny Corysanthes diemenica (aka Corybas diemenicus. A first flowering for me but I am glad to see the single tuber has bulked up to three in one season. (There is a third plant growing, but it is hidden and not flowering, honest!)
Difficult to photograph as it is sitting so low in the pot. The tubers are tiny so I didn't repot last year for fear of losing them.
Yes that is a 5p in the picture for scale.
Not sure how one can describe these tiny orchids as anything other than "cute"
Very nearly invisible to the naked eye!!
Yes that is a 5p in the picture for scale.
For those outside the UK - (or for those here who never deal with anything less than a fifty quid note ;) ::) ) - a 5p piece is 18mm in diameter
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What's a fifty quid note look like? Never seen one for real, only in Monopoly!
Just imagine looking for Corybas in the wild. The damage you could do is frightening.
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I don't think I have seen a fifty either steve, maybe just as well a lot of places will not accept them. I was in my local cooplands bakery the other day and I noticed a sign near the till saying they don't take them.
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Steve
really lovely,mine have just rotted off after two successful years.
The perception is that most £50 notes are forgeries,so shops will not take them.True or not I have no idea.
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Lovely Corybas or whatever it must be called now, Steve C2. Mine did rot off eventually. Pity. :)
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Lovely Corybas or whatever it must be called now, Steve C2. Mine did rot off eventually. Pity. :)
I only found the Corysanthes name when I was trying to buy the tubers. Even though it says Corysanthes on the label they are Corybas in my mind, in the same way that Himantoglossum robertianum will always be a Barlia to me.
It was Maren's photograph on this forum, with her finger used for scaling, which inspired me to try Corybas so it is a little worrying when two Gurus like Tony and herself say they have lost their plants :-\
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for people who trade in Euros , I put my photo
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm24/2111aldo/IMG_0021_zpscade874c.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/2111aldo/media/IMG_0021_zpscade874c.jpg.html)
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for people who trade in Euros , I put my photo
:D ;D 8)
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Ophrys tenthredinifera (got it as var. viridiflora but I don't know if that is correct) in flower today.
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hello frlends,
some of my "terrestrials" make their flowers in 2015:
Orchis anatolica
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20150223-191307-231.jpg)
after many years of cultivation (try and error) I have the first flower from the "strange"
Changnienia amoena (from China)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20150223-191307-794.jpg)
enjoy
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Congratulations, that's very pretty. :) :)
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hello friends,
here flowers the first Pterostylis in the greenhouse this spring
Pterostylis pedunculata (corrected)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20150227-091049-434.jpg)
enjoy
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Are you sure it is not pedunculata? I cannot find any record of punctulata.
I have spent some time this week trawling the net looking for Pterostylis species having seen some Pterostlis "curta"which must have been two feet tall at least, with huge dark green leaves. All I can say is that if these were curta then mine are not!
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that looks like Pterostylis pedunculata to me
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hello SteveC and Neil,
you are right!
tks for the hint.
Indeed it is a "type error" :(
because there is no "punctulata" species existing
so I just corrected it..............
cheers
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after many years of cultivation (try and error) I have the first flower from the "strange"
Changnienia amoena (from China)
WOW, amazing! Do you think you can share your cultural condition for this species? Thanks.
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after many years of cultivation (try and error) I have the first flower from the "strange"
Changnienia amoena (from China)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20150223-191307-794.jpg)
enjoy
Excellent job!!! Could you share us your secret?
Potting mix, temperature etc.
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Ophrys cephalonica in flower today.
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Excellent job!!! Could you share us your secret?
Potting mix, temperature etc.
hey, no "secret" just luck
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110417-133518-534.gif)
OK.just kidding.
for 3 years now I have them, divided to 7 tubers this year,
in a mixture of 80% fir bark and 20% shredded (dry) sphagnum,
they come to the frost free greenhouse in early october.
befor frost.
in summer they are "rainprotected" in a shaded gardenplace,
they go dormant after flowering.
always in medium moist condition,
so, you see, NO "SECRET",
only "LUCK" to find it out..........
cheers
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hey, no "secret" just luck
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110417-133518-534.gif)
OK.just kidding.
for 3 years now I have them, divided to 7 tubers this year,
in a mixture of 80% fir bark and 20% shredded (dry) sphagnum,
they come to the frost free greenhouse in early october.
befor frost.
in summer they are "rainprotected" in a shaded gardenplace,
they go dormant after flowering.
always in medium moist condition,
so, you see, NO "SECRET",
only "LUCK" to find it out..........
cheers
Thank you for sharing ;D
I've received three tubers last December and potted them in 1:1:1 peat, coarse sand and perlite. Kept the potting mix slightly moist and placed the pot outside last week. They have been proven quite hardy in this German forum: http://www.orchideenkultur.net/index.php?topic=1647.0 (http://www.orchideenkultur.net/index.php?topic=1647.0)
Will keep you posted about my experience ;)
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Thank you for the info, Goofy. From the photos, it appears that the plant is under fairly strong sun. Is it the case? Also, I wasn't quite sure where you are located (Greece?), so I couldn't tell the approximate climate. If you can give approximate temps in the winter and summer, that would be wonderful.
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@Khadija,
I have no doubt, that the plant is NOT Changnienia.
it forms new tuber-connected side by side- each year, not a "rhizom".
I dont know, whether Changnienia is frosthardy,
but why should I test it?
It is a woodland plant,
so grow them in shady woodland conditions, thats the safe way ;)
@naoki,
the picture is not mine. I dont know which species it is...........
the climate in Germany is in summer average 18-30 Celsius,
in winter frost down to minus 20 Celsius.
cheers
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@Khadija,
I have no doubt, that the plant is NOT Changnienia.
it forms new tuber-connected side by side- each year, not a "rhizom".
I dont know, whether Changnienia is frosthardy,
but why should I test it?
It is a woodland plant,
so grow them in shady woodland conditions, thats the safe way ;)
True, the picture on the first page of the topic is not Changnienia. But you should have browsed the thread ;D
On page 10 they have endured -12,8 C http://www.orchideenkultur.net/index.php?topic=1647.135 (http://www.orchideenkultur.net/index.php?topic=1647.135)
Your Changnienia is happy as it is, you should not test is. But I will test mine :D
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Ophrys attica
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8647/16717459365_4f6d180b1d_z_d.jpg)
-the Snoopy orchid (I can see a wee dug's face on this orchid!). ;)
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Lovely, but I am thinking koala myself. ;D
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... (I can see a wee dug's face on this orchid!). ;)
"Oh yes!"
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Dendrobium (kingeanum ?) in flower on this moment.
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Thelymitra Cinderella
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm24/2111aldo/IMG_0102_zps83a9nfrd.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/2111aldo/media/IMG_0102_zps83a9nfrd.jpg.html)
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What a lovely Thelymitra. Haven't seen that petal shape or colouration before. Very pretty. :) :) :)
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The earliest Dactylorhiza to flower here is the pale form of Dactylorhiza romana:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8748/16136153293_978ddc3ea3_c.jpg)
It over-winters in a partially shaded (just) frost-free frame
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Two more Bee Orchids now in flower.
With these wee beastie mimics the devil is in the detail.
Ophrys scolopax ssp. cornuta
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7593/16548830297_977fda304c_z.jpg)
Ophrys speculum
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8682/16755027492_761806c10b_z.jpg)
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Calanthe argenteostriata
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm24/2111aldo/IMG_0054_zpsmurjvs4m.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/2111aldo/media/IMG_0054_zpsmurjvs4m.jpg.html)
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Ophrys sphegodes in flower today
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Some of my terrestrial flowering since 1st january...
Pterostylis curta
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0322_zps162b5516.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0323_zpsca7bc380.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0324_zps9bac0366.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0325_zps9bcc8cc7.jpg)
Pterostylis x ingens
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0429_zpsatseahxc.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0432_zpsdvqqyz7n.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0431_zpsjamsf6wx.jpg)
Diuris behrii
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0439_zpspwjkkcqn.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0438_zpswszb1ies.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0442_zpsxg43ppml.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0440_zpszr3lszoo.jpg)
Thelymitra megacalyptra
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0492_zpsrfvysmw1.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0498_zps4cuskp5s.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0555_zpsce3zpjtx.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0557_zpsv6vdrfi2.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0548_zpsdi5gp7iq.jpg)
Ophrys bombyliflora
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0550_zps9dyrtcng.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0549_zpsfg27q5yx.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0553_zpstq51vat6.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0552_zpsno5xtyjc.jpg)
Ophrys sphegodes subsp. atrata
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0541_zpslp3rzb47.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0544_zpswipmgwoa.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0542_zpstcglxmvc.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0538_zpsitoqokto.jpg)
Pterostylis pedunculata
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0561_zpsicc4iyak.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0562_zpsmgjhccqs.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0564_zpscmtxqltb.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0563_zpsfq2ccuso.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0565_zpspzfcxmfw.jpg)
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The earliest Dactylorhiza to flower here is the pale form of Dactylorhiza romana:
Really beautiful !!! Do you plan or did you plan to make seeds of it ?
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Really beautiful orchids, thanks for showing orchidsworld
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Mine are late this year buds are just emerging from the ground
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Really beautiful !!! Do you plan or did you plan to make seeds of it ?
Wow!!!
Wonderful images of these superb orchids Orchidworld!
I only have the one plant of this Dactylorhiza romana but I will try selfing it.
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So nice to see our local terrestrial orchids appreciated on the other side of the world! Pterostylis curta, P.pedunculata are particularly common in the bush here, as are the Thelymitra species and Diuris. Maybe members would be interested in photos of our local orchids as they come into flower?
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... Maybe members would be interested in photos of our local orchids as they come into flower?
Thanks Jamus, definitely 8)
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Yes please, Jamus, we'd love to see your pictures. :) :) :)
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One beautiful non yellow species of Diuris.
Flower is 7 cm long and 2.5 cm large
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0567_zps2hszhq7e.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0570_zpsuj0gdyti.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0571_zpsdq80k5zt.jpg)
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The purple Diuris is another gem, François
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Diuris punctata is beautiful. I've never seen it in real life, only in books. Listed as critically endangered in the wild I see...
What do you think of this one? Pterostylis cucullata, now rare and endangered in South Australia. The biggest colony in the state is just down the road in Belair National Park.
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Cephalanthera longifolia, narrow leaved helleborine, img 2209.
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hello friends,
just flowering seedgrown rare
Orchis syriaca
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20150318-173147-590.jpg)
enjoy
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Very nice Dieter, would it be possible for you to make some seed, of it, for me?
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Wonderful !!!!!
Very nice Dieter, would it be possible for you to make some seed, of it, for me?
And for me too :)
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hey friends,
indeed I thought about pollinating this rarity,
but decided not to do.
the reason is,
this is a first time flowering seedling, the only one I have.
still fairly "weak" and small, only 10 cm.
So I dicided to grow a nice new tuber
and removed the flower stalk
after after admiring the flower for some days
and taking this picture then.
so, sorry.
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Dieter... >:( >:(
(well, you are totally right... better preserve it ;) )
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Thelymitra antennifera x T. luteocilium (Les Nesbitt 1990)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0613_zpssnudg94o.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0614_zpsyikg8nzv.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/orchidsworld_ch/Terrestres/IMG_0615_zpsqdcild3l.jpg)
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"T. antennifera x T. luteocilium (Les Nesbitt 1990)"
Am I correct in thinking that the "T" above is Thelymitra ?
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OK Maggi,
I think that you are thinking right.
due to the "headline" of the posting,
it is Thelimytra Melon Glow.
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Yep... as in title, T. is Thelymitra ;)
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Just checking! I've added it to the text as I think it helps our search engines - and google (!) to find references more easily.
For the Forum to perform to its full ability as a research archive, it helps to include such relevant information as the names of pictures in the text of posts.
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I have some photos of our native orchids if people are interested I can post some. My pictures are not as impressive as those already seen though.
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I thought about Les Nesbitt recently as his nursery and home was right in the zone of the recent bushfires here. I visited Les several time with my parents in the late 80's, but I don't think he runs a retail nursery anymore. Mum and Dad were members of the South Australian Native Orchid Society in the 80's and my Mum was illustrating their journal covers for them.
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I have some photos of our native orchids if people are interested I can post some. My pictures are not as impressive as those already seen though.
Yes please! Where did you see the cephalantera? Is it already flowering?!?!
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The Cephalanthera was on the west coast some years ago. I will look out some more orchid photos but I,m not the best photographer on the Forum.
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Some native terestrial orchids. Excuse the poor photos, most are copied from slides. img 210 is white bee orchid. img 3688 and img 017 are bee orchids with differing patterns. img 195 is fragrant orchid.
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img 195 is fly orchid. img 191 is green winged orchid. ing 3619 is common spotted orchid. img 200 is early purple orchid.
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img 3210 is pyramidal orchid. img 3583 is southern marsh orchid. img 1377 is northern marsh orchid. img 1320 is early marsh orchid.
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img 202 is ladies slipper. I was not allowed to approach it, unlike some botanists. img 209 is lesser butterfly orchid. img 2598 is greater butterfly orchid. img 192 is heath spotted orchid.
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img 194 is birds nest orchid. img 008 is frog orchid. img 196 is coral root orchid. img 197 is burnt tip orchid.
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img 204 is man orchid. img 211 is small white orchid. img 203 is autumn ladies tresses. Not sure about img 207, it seems to have fragrant in it. Perhaps a hybrid.
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img 201 is lesser twayblade. img 022 is common twayblade. img 193 is green flowered helleborine. img 206 is broad leaved helleborine.
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img 3205 is dune helleborine. img 198 is dark red helleborine. img 205 is yellow birds nest. img 199 are marsh orchids, mainly early.
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Ophrys lutea
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Is that the original Yorkshire specimen of the Lady's Slipper?
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Yes, Anthony. I requested a visit to get a better picture but was told No-one can visit the plant. I suppose this meant except the usual crowd.
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Regarding the last Lady Slipper: I've decided not to visit it... even tho' it's only a short bike ride away. Strikes me the poor thing isn't really wild anymore! Attached a photo of Dad inspecting it, which featured on the brochure that came in the 1998 Endangered Species stamp pack. One of life's proudest moments! Queuing in a Post Office to buy a picture of my Dad!!
The stamp itself says 'Decline in sites'.... Certainly does look like the site has declined! Dad's hair isn't quite so wild these days either!!
Tim DH
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This Orchis anthropomorpha has been flowering for a few weeks already and is looking like it has a few still to go.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8729/16346330463_12554ba3ec_o.jpg)
Some will remember I posted some habitat photos of this orchid a couple of years ago. The flowers on that site were much lighter.
Habitat 2013
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8658/16746066725_9e557ddfc4_o.jpg)
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Hello Tim, your dad was lucky to get that close. It is kept under guard these days. I understand a plant for viewing by visitors is along the Ingleborough path.
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When I wrote this label I must have been day dreaming ... Orchis quatolica?
I'm guessing it should be O. anatolica even though they are minute compared to these
http://www.orchidsofbritainandeurope.co.uk/Orchis%20anatolica.html (http://www.orchidsofbritainandeurope.co.uk/Orchis%20anatolica.html)
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Hi Ian,
Your comment ‘It is kept under guard these days’ isn’t quite true…. It’s been guarded for more than a quarter of a century!
I think the cage was erected mostly to protect from rabbits… In the photo Dad is transferring pollen.. Difficult to do with the cage on!
Progeny have reportedly been distributed round a dozen of the species old haunts…The Orchid Research Newsletter said of the re-introduction programme (in 2003): “Results are promising, and the number of plants of native origin now growing numbers in the hundreds with flowering plants increasing year-on-year.”
I had heard it might be back in Clapdale (Ingleborough).. However it does grow at Kilnsey Park…
http://kilnseypark.co.uk/site/explore/nature-reserve/ (http://kilnseypark.co.uk/site/explore/nature-reserve/)
http://thedales.org.uk/kilnsey-nature-reserve/ (http://thedales.org.uk/kilnsey-nature-reserve/)
http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/update/2012-05-22/ladys-slipper-orchid-comes-to-yorkshire/ (http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/update/2012-05-22/ladys-slipper-orchid-comes-to-yorkshire/)
I’d be more inclined to visit there, rather than increase the pressure on the not so wild site.
Tim DH
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Hello Tim, when I said the plant is kept under guard these days I was talking metaf.. metaph.... well, you know what I mean. The person who told me where to see the plant was used to seeing it in the open. Botanys best known secret? I think Kew have been propagating from this plant and another for some years. Some members of the Hardy Orchid Society were lucky enough to be given young plants to grow on.
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Orchis pauciflora
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8700/16780139468_17eff34b09_o.jpg)
Calypso bulbosa occidentalis
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8703/16347736773_c2247e3ab7_o.jpg)
Diuris amplissima
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8752/16966891291_5cbfe5968d_b.jpg)
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Hello Tim, when I said the plant is kept under guard these days I was talking metaf.. metaph.... well, you know what I mean. The person who told me where to see the plant was used to seeing it in the open. Botanys best known secret? I think Kew have been propagating from this plant and another for some years. Some members of the Hardy Orchid Society were lucky enough to be given young plants to grow on.
The biggest problem is that the seeds were produced from only one plant and all the plants are technically clones of it. IMO this could led to problems later down the line due to in breeding.
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Steve do you keep your Australian orchids totally frost free?
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Steve nice photos as usual.
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Hi Neil,
I don’t think you are right about the seedlings being ‘selfs’. There are a few cultivated clones of reputedly English provenance. I guess with recent advances in DNA analysis, the confidence in the true origins of some of these may have improved. Kew has, or had one of these. (Just to complicate things a little further, there was a tale about some well meaning naturalist unilaterally re-introducing European plants to old UK sites!)
Tim DH
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The current issue of Curtis's Botanical Magazine (Vol 32, Part 1, February 2015) might be of interest as it is dedicated to The Orchids of The British Isles.
Individual issues can be obtained from the publisher: Wiley/Blackwell.
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Steve do you keep your Australian orchids totally frost free?
Mark, they share a compartment in my greenhouse with Ophrys, Med Orchis and south African amaryllids. The lowest the air temperature has ever dropped to in there has been +0.3C. The plunges are heated (with thermostatic control) and there is a free-standing fan heater which is set to frost-free (very rarely on; during the bad winter of a few years back I worked out that it consumed about £50 of power -which over a year is under £5 per month, most years it is very much less than this).
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img 3205 is dune helleborine. img 198 is dark red helleborine. img 205 is yellow birds nest. img 199 are marsh orchids, mainly early.
Thanks Ian for the beautiful photographs. I am taking photographs of all orchids in UK, but you have outdone me by far. Thanks for sharing.
Best
Corrado
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This Orchis anthropomorpha has been flowering for a few weeks already and is looking like it has a few still to go.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8729/16346330463_12554ba3ec_o.jpg)
Some will remember I posted some habitat photos of this orchid a couple of years ago. The flowers on that site were much lighter.
Habitat 2013
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8658/16746066725_9e557ddfc4_o.jpg)
Hi Fred, do you mean it is flowering now?!
Regards
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In Fred's greenhouse yes. Mine is about to open.
But wait a couple of months before looking for wild ones. ;D
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Hi Fred, do you mean it is flowering now?!
Regards
In a cold greenhouse with all vents open. The habitat photo was taken on the 2nd of July 2013.
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The earliest Dactylorhiza to flower here is the pale form of Dactylorhiza romana:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8748/16136153293_978ddc3ea3_c.jpg)
It over-winters in a partially shaded (just) frost-free frame
Steve what soil mixture to grow yours in? As I have a couple of seedlings that need to be deflasked.
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Giles,
thank you for the reference to:
Curtis's Botanical Magazine
Vol 32 (4 Issues in 2015)
Edited by: Martyn Rix
Print ISSN: 1355-4905 Online ISSN: 1467-8748
Published on behalf of Royal Botanic Gardens Kew
I've been trying to buy this but cannot find anyone willing to sell it. Do I have to go to Kew? I wouldn't mind, I'm a Friend anyway and enjoy my visits.
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Steve what soil mixture to grow yours in? As I have a couple of seedlings that need to be deflasked.
I used a mix of 30% quartzite silica sand (size-20; 16/30) + 20% cat litter (Tesco lightweight, low dust) + 20% perlite + 10% pumice (4-6mm) + 20% loam.
There are probably easier mixes that are just as effective. The above is an open free-draining mix that holds some water but has good air-filled porosity. I started using silica sand on the advice of Jan Moors of Crusticare/Albiflora. The sand is inert and free-draining but its physical properties seem to encourage fluid movement through capillary action.
The loam was collected from some molehills in a small Beech wood. The underlying soil is sandy and this loam is very crumb-like with some organics derived from the rotted Beech leaves. The loam is treated (in small bags) in the microwave when my wife is at work (the latter is very important!).
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Steve
Thanks for that, is not too dissimilar to what I use from for my Winter Greens.
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Hi Steve,
does your wife read these pages? ;) ;D ;)
Just one question about the quartzite silica sand (size-20; 16/30): how does this translate into millimetres? can you turn your fraction into decimals please, just for me??? :)
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Maren its 0.5mm on specification ;)
It is primarily used for water filtration.
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Hi Steve,
does your wife read these pages? ;) ;D ;)
Just one question about the quartzite silica sand (size-20; 16/30): how does this translate into millimetres? can you turn your fraction into decimals please, just for me??? :)
Maren, it is lucky for me that my wife hasn't discovered the delights of the SRGC forum. Yet! :o
As Neil has said the quartzite sand is 0.5mm diameter, though other sizes are available. The sand is clean, inert and is used as a filtration medium for swimming pools and aquaculture. I quoted the "size-20; 16/30" as these are the descriptors used when this product is advertised on websites/eBay/Amazon. I can assure you I am a thoroughly modern metric man! ;)
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Ophrys spruneri with a split or double lip
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I used a mix of 30% quartzite silica sand (size-20; 16/30) + 20% cat litter (Tesco lightweight, low dust) + 20% perlite + 10% pumice (4-6mm) + 20% loam.
No moles here and never seen silica sand for sale. Is there a substitute?
I think it was Tony who said he grows his in 9cm clay pots. I could only get a few last year so all went in to the next size up which was 11cm. Homebase now has stock of the 9cm pots
Spotted an invasion of aphids today so all plants in the greenhouse were sprayed this evening
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Nice Ophrys Mark.
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Mark try an aquarium shop or Pet store. It is also sold as silver sand.
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OK thanks
Yann I bought it last year so I guess it will not be the same next year
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I've probably asked this 10s of times. What size pots do you guys favour?
Over the winter I've been watering the sand plunge and not the pots. On warm days can I water down the edge of the pots?
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When in leaf up to the point when the first few flowers are opening I water freely. Due to lack of time I often use a hose. Whilst the leaves get wet I have fans which operate on timers so the foliage dries off even after a soaking. If the mix is free-draining and poor in organics it is difficult to overwater.
Two years ago I bought some young Orchis. I had planned to pot them as a group in large pots. When I first got them I didn't have the time to make up a proper mix and group pot them. I stuck each in a small long tom pot containing only sharp sand (concreting sand). They were plunged and I intended to pot them properly the following week. I forgot about them until they erupted from the sand -it was then too late to repot them. I kept them moist, applied dilute fertiliser a few times and kept the plunge moist. Without exception they all grew very well.
Underpotting in sharp sand seems to work very well as long as the plants are not allowed to dry off whilst in growth. Small pots with free-draining medium seems to be the way to go. In the past I lost a lot of Med orchids to rot but never lost any to dessication. Now my mixes are lean, free-draining and have little organic content. I'm growing Med orchids better now than I ever have before -I'm sure this is down to lean fast-draining compost and better ventilation.
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Hi Steve,
thanks for the millimetres, that helps.
I have a couple of bags of quartz that have been languishing for years. Bought them from Jan Moors when I last visited him in Belgium and haven't found a use for them. The grains are much larger than your specification, one is 2mm and the other is 1mm on average. Do you think I can use that all the same as part of in cypripedium compost or would it make it too heavy?
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Maren
The articles are available *free* as individual pdf's:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/curt.2015.32.issue-1/issuetoc (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/curt.2015.32.issue-1/issuetoc)
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Thank you, I managed to download it. Good article.
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Hi Steve,
thanks for the millimetres, that helps.
I have a couple of bags of quartz that have been languishing for years. Bought them from Jan Moors when I last visited him in Belgium and haven't found a use for them. The grains are much larger than your specification, one is 2mm and the other is 1mm on average. Do you think I can use that all the same as part of in cypripedium compost or would it make it too heavy?
Quartzite grit is perfect for Cyps (including Cyp. acaule aparently as it doesn't raise the pH of the substrate) as a component to improve drainage. I believe that some growers use almost pure quartzite with a little live sphagnum added for growing on seedlings of some of the more difficult species. The technique involves using polystyrene fish boxes with drainage holes about 2-3cm above the base and a plastic watering tube that runs through the depth of the quartzite medium. The base acts as a shallow water reservoir which is frequently topped up with rain water or RO water through the plastic tube so there is no overhead watering; water only reaches the roots of the seedlings by capillary action up through the quartzite.
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All my Oprhys are grown in 9cm terra pot, 14cm deep.
They now are almost in flower , i water them by the top once a week.
Foliage can be watered it doesn't affect the plant when it's in the green stage.
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Hi Steve,
many thanks, I shall use the quartz in my next round of re-potting.
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Orchis quadripunctata
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8750/16904491678_9a624a5f61_o_d.jpg)
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Barlia robertiana or Himantoglossum if prefered.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8768/17066254276_76b17924da_o.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7598/16469765414_30fc003b26_o.jpg)
My plants have grown very well this year & are living up to the name Giant Orchid.
Images taken in evening sun last weekend. They have now been in growth for almost 9 months and are still looking quite fresh though this will not last as the recent superb sunny weather has dramatically raised the heat in my greenhouse. Already some ophrys & juno iris are dying back.
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Barlia robertiana or Himantoglossum if prefered.
The scent is fantastic
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Steve
That is a nice specimen of Himantoglossum robertiana, how long have you had it? Mine is just starting to fade now it been in flower since Christmas, this hot weather is causing a lot of the Ophrys to start yellowing.
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Too many here are turning yellow with spikes only just showing. Will these abort?
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Steve
That is a nice specimen of Himantoglossum robertiana, how long have you had it? Mine is just starting to fade now it been in flower since Christmas, this hot weather is causing a lot of the Ophrys to start yellowing.
Thanks Neil!
This is now the fourth year in my possession. I got it as a young tuber which didn't flower until the second year -a rather short flower spike! Last year it became much more robust. This year it looks even better. Do they ever get big enough to produce more than one replacement tuber?
Too many here are turning yellow with spikes only just showing. Will these abort?
Mark, if possible you should place them somewhere cool and shaded. Resist the temptation to "rescue" them by liberal watering as this will just encourage rot.
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I've been watering the sand. Tomorrow I'll go and buy some shade cloth
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This chrysalis, c10mm long. was inside a rolled leaf of an Ophrys insectifera. Because its a moth I'm guessing its an enemy. Although I threw it on the green house floor I know where it is so maybe I should put it in a sample bottle and see what hatches
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Steve, I have had them make a double tuber such that they perfectly demonstrate why they are called Orchids. I thought about taking a photo to include in my talks but foolishly didn't as I decided it was a bit risqué. I have also had the opposite experience where after flowering the next year's tuber is very small.
]Normally I have found the tubers to be roughly spherical, but this year when my very early flowering plant went over I found something more the shape of a Dactylorhiza tuber, but at least it is huge.
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Too many here are turning yellow with spikes only just showing. Will these abort?
Mark, I would expect the flowers to develop even without much in the way of leaves, presumably using energy from the old tuber, hopefully not the new.
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"a bit risqué " to show the tubers in a talk? Away ye' go - you'll be putting long covers on your table legs next! :P
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Bumble bees are ruining my orchid flowers by biting their way in to get the nectar - naughty bees!
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Some in flower now all very late this year.
Barlia robertiana
Aceras anthropophorum
Orchis pauciflora
Orchis anatolica
Orchis morio
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Some different forms of Ophrys tenthredinifera. I am sure some would say different species.
Also Ophrys speculum
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My Dactylorhiza saccifera are in to growth. All survived the winter which was quite mild but at times dropping to -7. I repotted them which was quite timely because the pink one had rot in one of the tuber 'legs'. The whites are all fine. I tried to propagate them by removing the tuber after flowering. None of the parent tubers produced a second tuber
The saccifera hybrid I bought on ebay as something else didn't flower last year so I hope it does this year
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Nice selection Tony
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Ophrys sicula -minor differences in flower from O. lutea -not sure whether that justifies separation.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7641/16963860059_b0a3f15fa4_o.jpg)
Orchis pallens
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7682/16963859329_d181b53c91_o.jpg)
Dactylorhiza sambucina Yellow
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7606/16962275128_46fffecd2d_o.jpg)
Orchis papilionacea
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8775/16527627174_8433865da3_o.jpg)
Ophrys speculum Subtly different and more attractive than the plant I grow as Ophrys vernixia. Not sure that this justifies separate names however!
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8736/16527626614_e9f2ed71d4_o.jpg)
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Brilliant plants, Steve, and breathtaking photography, as always. :) :) :)
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Here Ophrys scolopax started to flower, sorry photos shooted with smartphone.
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Tony your first photo is not Ophrys speculum, may be a lusus form
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Yann
we have had this discussion before-it is Ophrys speculum and matches the picture on page 182 of Field guide to Orchids of Britain and Europe exactly.
I do not subscribe to the endless list of names given to every minor variant.
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I'll check the book tomorrow
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I'll check the book tomorrow
Also look at No 231 in Wild Orchids of Britain and Europe.
Hopefully we are discussing the same picture,you mention my first one when it is my last I have labelled as O. speculum
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Hello Dieter,
how do you grow the Changnienia amoena? I managed to get a bulb from Holger Perner at the eurpean Orchid Conference in London last week.
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hello Maren,
why dont ask Holger? ;D
I have had severe problems for many years, and
for 3 years now I have them in a large pot with mixture of firbark and shredded sphagnum,
and so far it seems to work.
had 3 flowers from 7 tubers..........
I pollinated 2 flowers and now have 1 capsule since march 5.
so lets see, what will happen,
and to find a guy for sowing.
cheers
dieter
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Hi Goofy,
I did ask Holger but forgot to write it down. Then I asked Wenqing, his wife, and lost the note. It was all a bit fast and furious, but the show was exceptional and the lectures were good, too.
Everybody was happy except for the traders because very few people came to buy. The weather was too good, for England anyway, and people went to the seaside instead or carbonated their first barbecues.
Thank you for your hints about cultivation. I shall have to make a few adjustments. :)
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I had a punt on the Changnienia as well. I rushed across to the other hall when a friend told me that there was only one left and it has been on my wish list for a while, ever since I got conned by someone claiming to sell it on eBay, in fact. Holger was doing his lecture, his wife was busy with customers, and so the question did not get asked. I never got back, which is a good job as the Cypripedium plectochilon was tempting me and I just don't have any more room!
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Steve,
regarding the C. plectrochilum, you might have been disappointed because it was sitting smilingly in my shopping bag. ;) ;) ;) I just had to treat myself after the disappointment with that fraudulent seller we discussed earlier.
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Steve,
regarding the C. plectrochilum, you might have been disappointed because it was sitting smilingly in my shopping bag. ;) ;) ;) I just had to treat myself after the disappointment with that fraudulent seller we discussed earlier.
Tee Hee!!
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I had the dark leaved form for several years but never managed to flower it.
Dactylorhiza sambucina,somewhat easier
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Steve,
regarding the C. plectrochilum, you might have been disappointed because it was sitting smilingly in my shopping bag. ;) ;) ;) I just had to treat myself after the disappointment with that fraudulent seller we discussed earlier.
Probably went to a better home! ;D
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Steve,
you are most gracious. I hope I can live up to this. :) :) :)
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Just checked the NZ MPI Plants Biosecurity Index and Ophrys is not there, which is a shame, as they would grow well here. :( Cyps could be imported in flasks with a phytosanitary certificate, but Auckland may be too mild? Interestingly, this from the Nelson Orchid Society shows Ophrys apifera. http://orchidcouncil.co.nz/Newsletters/nos-aug2013.pdf (http://orchidcouncil.co.nz/Newsletters/nos-aug2013.pdf)
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Orchis simia
O. scolopax are now at their best
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Anthony,
if you want to try a cyp in Auckland then formosanum ( and maybe japonicum) is reputed to require much less vernalization
than any of the others.
It is also quite good at withstanding summer heat,
Regards,
David
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Steve Garvie lovely photos. What camera and lens do you use?
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Mark,
Before Steve replies I would add that I suspect that it's not just about the camera and lens. I'm sure that at least 50% of the secret of Steve's excellent pictures is due to the fact that his garden is continually bathed in warm evening light - everyday. ;) ;D
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This year's offering of Neotinea tridentata
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8740/17070086037_223be642f0_o.jpg)
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Fabulous image Fred.
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Cracking image Fred. As one who is, and has been for some considerable time :( , trying to move from auto settings to manual, could you give an indication please of the settings you used?
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This is off Flickr David, hope it helps. What it means is I took a sub £100 camera set it on auto and pressed to focus then clicked ;D.
I used to do the manual settings and focusing stuff including all the lens changes with my Olympus and Nikon cameras. Not much point any more really. Nowadays I have a slogan ( just made it up 5 seconds ago).
USE A BRIDGE CAMERA, PREVENT THAT HERNIA ;D
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Cracking plant and image Fred!!'
Steve Garvie lovely photos. What camera and lens do you use?
Mark, I use a Canon 7D with a Canon 100mm IS macro lens handheld.
Whilst good kit makes it easier to get good images it really is all about the light.
Wherever possible I move the plants so that they are in good light whilst the background is in shadow. I shoot in aperture priority to control depth of field which can help the subject stand out. I shoot raw files and convert them in Breezebrowser using a high chroma setting that mimics Velvia film.
As Peter suggests warm evening light makes a big difference -I have it available here on demand courtesy of the Grangemouth petrochemical complex. ;)
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Mark, I use a Canon 7D with a Canon 100mm IS macro lens handheld.
Whilst good kit makes it easier to get good images it really is all about the light.
Wherever possible I move the plants so that they are in good light whilst the background is in shadow. I shoot in aperture priority to control depth of field which can help the subject stand out. I shoot raw files and convert them in Breezebrowser using a high chroma setting that mimics Velvia film.
As Peter suggests warm evening light makes a big difference -I have it available here on demand courtesy of the Grangemouth petrochemical complex. ;)
Steve - thanks for that information; 'handheld' is the biggest surprise. Macros struggle for depth of field so do you compensate with a high ISO number?
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Steve - thanks for that information; 'handheld' is the biggest surprise. Macros struggle for depth of field so do you compensate with a high ISO number?
Chris the Canon 100mm f2.8 IS lens was the first macro lens to have image stabilisation (I think that Nikon & Sigma now have equivalents). This makes a big difference as does the noise handling abilities of modern digital SLRs. When an image is for internet use then increasing the ISO setting has much less impact upon on observable noise than when printing out the image at 300dpi.
A combination of good use of available light, image stabilisation and pushing up the ISO (if necessary) have freed me from the use of a tripod.
I still use a tripod for bird photography -heavy kit but it does help that I am on the robust side! ;)
(http://m1.i.pbase.com/o6/92/811692/1/109229231.tV7AZ9GQ.Thepathtotheshrimpfarm.jpg)
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Steve, that must be you on the left then :)
I work mainly with macro but as my subject is fungi, light is often an issue so I tend to use a tripod all the time. I favour my Nikkor Macro 60mm 2.8 which hasn't got image stabalisation, but it's quite light to carry around. Perhaps I'll revert to my Nikkor Macro 105mm 2.8 VR (Vibration Reduction) for the alpines. It was bought for insect photography and achieved very good results (when the insects stayed still ::))
Thanks for the info.
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Last of the Ophrys to flower here:
Ophrys schlechteriana
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8774/17107393689_4ff9af6558_o.jpg)
Ophrys melena
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7699/16673350773_d3d3c13eea_o.jpg)
Ophrys insectifera
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8684/17086148677_90a7f2031f_o.jpg)
.......and Orchis picta
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7666/17086148337_07d143fc10_o.jpg)
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Oreorchis patens flowering for me for the second time, bigger than last year which is a good sign. Sorry about photos, not up to the other Steve's standard. No warm evening light here, more like thunderstorms and a hoolie! Will try to improve them tomorrow, try being the important word.
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Looks like just the kind of day we've had here SteveC2. :(
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A few more wintergreens to finish the season. I have been pleasantly surprised by the number / quantity of tubers being made for next year.
The greenhouse's resident bee was following me round the plants. Is that pollen or something else on its legs?
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A close up of the Oreorchis patens. I hope the identification is accurate. I was looking in the Cribb and Bailes Hardy orchids book last night and the photograph of this looks like something completely different.
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Super photo, Steve.
I see what you mean about differences from other photos purporting to be of this species. Your plants lip looks the same but the petal and sepals of yours are much more rounded at the tips :-\
Is that just natural variation? (I don't know!)
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Even the leaves look very different in the Cribb and Bailes book, so perhaps it is a mistake, shock horror! When I first started to grow hardies, back in the day, this was the only book available and so I have a very well thumbed copy, and I still refer to it more than the more recent Kew volume.
It must be my age but I just trust books so much more than the Internet! If you google Oreorchis patens you get many pictures, most looking like my plant, especially if you ignore what just might be distortion, but there is a Cypripedium in there as well as a Cremastra and Pleione.
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Yes, we have that Cribb and Bailes book too.
For those without - the internet can give us :
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200028779 (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200028779)
and http://richardiana.com//pdfRich/Richardiana-vol13-27-Oreorchis.pdf (http://richardiana.com//pdfRich/Richardiana-vol13-27-Oreorchis.pdf)
and I've found this site to have some good species photos:
http://www.orchidspecies.com/ (http://www.orchidspecies.com/)
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The flowers in that Richardiana photograph look quite different to mine, but in most years the leaves are very similar by the time the flowers arrive ;D
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Unless that bee is extremely skilled at removing pollinia from its head, I would suspect the pollen basket on its hind leg is just pollen from other flowers. I don't see any pollinia on its head, which suggests it hasn't investigated any of the orchid flowers. Whenever I had bum bees visiting orchids they ended up with a cluster of "golf clubs" stuck to their faces, and this gave them no end of grief.
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A bumble was working my O. italica today but didn't get any pollinia stuck to its head
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The "theory" is that most of these Ophrys and Orchis etc. have specific pollinators such that only a certain type of insect can take the pollinia from a given species. I am not sure that I completely buy into this, but it could explain the lack of pollen on the bee in my photo.
I did wonder if it was a bit poorly as it seemed to be behaving strangely and sadly it has since died.
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Here are photos of a bum bee with Barlia robertiana pollinia taken in my greenhouse. Here is also a silver-Y moth with greater butterfly orchid pollinia. Photo taken, not by me, when my moth trap was taken to a meadow in Fife.
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Poor wee soul in the first pic certainly is carrying a nasty mite burden. :P Always distresses me when I see that.
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I think the mites are commensals and don't actually harm the bees. These mites, e.g. Parasitus fucorum are often seen attached to the thorax of bumblebees, whom they use as transport between nests. They scavenge on nest debris, then attach themselves to young queens and hibernate with them. These mites often have even smaller mites living on them!
"A flea hath smaller fleas that on him prey;
and these have smaller fleas to bite 'em,
and so proceed ad infinitum"
Jonathan Swift
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That's a comfort, Anthony. Just looks like an "infestation" ... yuck!
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Also Maggie not only did Anthony put your mind at rest he also treated you to a verse from a great Irish author ;D
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Yes, John, Anthony can have his uses, eh? !
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He sure does ;D
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Yes, John, Anthony can have his uses, eh? !
Either that, or I'm giving people a pain in the Gulliver! ::)
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Platanthera chlorantha The Greater Butterfly Orchid.
Hard to enthuse over this one; and unlike the Lesser Butterfly Orchid there is no scent!
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5449/17588252278_ed04916ae1_o.jpg)
A lady and her military escort:
Orchis purpurea
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7790/17589788179_9e11d0fc13_o.jpg)
Orchis militaris
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5457/17776029015_babe21d6bd_o.jpg)
A touch of blue whilst I wait for the Meconopsis to flower.
Thelymitra nuda
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8704/17588255698_0b55b50c8b_c.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7746/17588257198_cce99700cd_z.jpg)
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Steve lovely pictures,I can always enthuse over a platanthera.
Some pictures of Dactylorhiza sambucina on Mt. Kymachalan ,Northern Greece,last week
Also Orchis purpurea on Mt vermion
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The Orchis militaris is a really nice photo.
Easy (comparatively) to grow?
My dacts and single cyp seem to be doing OK ATM and if that continues I might expand the 'collection' for next season. Would militaris be OK in cat litter and sunshine?
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Platanthera chlorantha The Greater Butterfly Orchid.
Hard to enthuse over this one; and unlike the Lesser Butterfly Orchid there is no scent!
Gorgeous pictures Steve! I really like Platanthera! Are you growing all of them or are some of the pictures shot in the wild? Can you send a picture of the whole pot? What compost do you use? Sorry for all the questions
Regards
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The Orchis militaris is a really nice photo.
Easy (comparatively) to grow?
My dacts and single cyp seem to be doing OK ATM and if that continues I might expand the 'collection' for next season. Would militaris be OK in cat litter and sunshine?
Thanks!
The militaris is in a mix comprised of coarse gritty sand with some cat litter and 15% loam. It grows in a clay pot in a frame which is unshaded from September to late March/early April. I then apply shading to keep the frame cool and ensure that the plant stays green for as long as possible before dormancy.
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Thanks!
The militaris is in a mix comprised of coarse gritty sand with some cat litter and 15% loam. It grows in a clay pot in a frame which is unshaded from September to late March/early April. I then apply shading to keep the frame cool and ensure that the plant stays green for as long as possible before dormancy.
Do you use the same for purpurea and platanthera?
Regards
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Gorgeous pictures Steve! I really like Platanthera! Are you growing all of them or are some of the pictures shot in the wild? Can you send a picture of the whole pot? What compost do you use? Sorry for all the questions
Regards
All of my images are of (my own) cultivated plants.
Here is the platanthera in its pot:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5336/17680534970_7b4291effb_o.jpg)
It grows in a shaded frame with various Orchis, Anacamptis, Gymnadenia & Dactylorhiza. The plants get more shade than I would wish as I am away from home all day -it is safer to leave the shading on than risk cooking in strong sun under glass (as I have previously found to my cost!).
The Platanthera is in 40% VERY gritty sand:20% perlite:20% cat litter:20% loam and is fed quarter strength "Orchid Focus" liquid feed rather haphazardly through the growing season.
Orchis purpurea is in the same mix as militaris.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8883/17841731896_3f04bdaf58_o.jpg)
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All of my images are of (my own) cultivated plants.
What a collection Steve!! Thanks for the information .... for the frame are you using a 50% shaded net and you leave it in full sun?
Best,
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What a collection Steve!! Thanks for the information .... for the frame are you using a 50% shaded net and you leave it in full sun?
Best,
The frame is in full sun between 11am and 3pm. It is covered by 50% shade cloth as you suspected but this arrangement provides a bit too much shade and some of the plants get a bit leggy.
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last of mine to flower before the dactylorhiza start.
two forms of Orchis laxiflora
Cephalanthera lancifolia
Neotinea tridentata
Orchis mascula
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A few oddities flowering now.
Dactylorhiza x mixta, courtesy of John Hagger, a hybrid between Common Spotted Orchid, D. fuchsii, and the Frog Orchid, D. viridis. Plant looks exactly like any other fuchsii but the flowers are very strange, more frog like. I assume John used a pale fuchsii as parent. Odd but I like it.
Then Dactylorhiza x influenza, (strange name!) courtesy of Andrew Bannister. Hybrid of Dactylorhiza sambucina and fuchsii. Plant looks very sambucinaesque, but flowers less so. Fills the gap between my wintergreens and the main flush of dactylorhiza.
Finally Amitostigma keiskei. I've had this a few years and it has finally reached four tubers, so far less vigorous than hybrids like enamotoe. Three in here, I gave the fourth away. I call it Elvis, (think Suspicious Minds video, Las Vegas shows etc.)
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Anacamptis pyramidalis Pale form
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/301/18521035671_500ab3378a_o.jpg)
Anacamptis pyramidalis Dark form
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/287/18332912229_01421caa5a_o.jpg)
Anacamptis laxiflora
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8899/17896419044_cd5a6225cc_o.jpg)
Gymnadenia conopsea A giant form.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/514/18519135045_3ecdff1ab0_o.jpg)
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Steve those are beautiful
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Superb pictures and plants Steve. Realy fantastic.
Erling
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In the countryside terrestrial orchids are blooming, a few colors among dry grassland.
Himantoglossum hircinum
Platanthera chlorantha
Ophrys apifera
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One for lovers of green things,an acquired taste!
Listera cordata
and Dactylorhiza baumanniana
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I love the Listera cordata, never seen Dactylorhiza baumanniana in cultivation before, may I have some seed please Tony.
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I love the delicate colour of this Dactylorhiza Tony.
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Amitostigma gonggashanicum A tiny wee species which has simple but attractive flowers.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/276/18577305418_26d4d3c26f_o.jpg)
Amitostigma simplex
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/414/18760157962_01750cc5fb_o.jpg)
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/351/18767585611_efa79b171c_o.jpg)
Ponerorchis chusua
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/406/18765107845_7408d55e95_o.jpg)
Galearis spectabilis
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/492/18142448534_04b9c0ac0a_o.jpg)
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Orchis purpurea
The first pic from the wild, the others from my garden.
Poul
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Here're some photos of a spot not so far from where i live.
There you can find Ophrys apifera, Coeloglossum viride, Platanthera bifolia and chlorantha and lot's of other rare sub-mediterranean plants.
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some more from the dry grassland
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Yann
lovely to see in the wild.
Steve they are little beauties,not something I have tried.
As to the dactylorhiza I bought some small seedlings some time ago and now have half a dozen coming into flower. The leaf markings are very variable but I cannot comment on flower colour variation yet. Dactlyorhiza thrive with me,almost a weed from self sown seedlings in the garden and pots and the listera has been thriving in the garden again self sown for some years.
I am going to propagate the D. baumannii by taking of the tubers in a couple of weeks in the usual way.
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Well here's my contribution to the terrestrial orchid thread.
All I could find after my Dog discovered he likes the taste of dactylorhiza (he's gone right off mobile phones) ...
(http://hud357.homenet.org/orch/remains.jpg)
They were like that when I found them ...
(http://hud357.homenet.org/orch/guilty.jpg)
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Hi I have just recently bought some ophrys bulbs two each of O. Lutea, O. Bombyliflora and O. Sphegoedes, what soil should I plant them in and site position. Thanks John
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Hi John
A frost free greenhouse, as they will not survive outside in our climate. The mixture I use is as follows 1 part perlite, 1 part fine horticulture grit, and 1 part a sandy soil, with no organic matter in it, it needs to free draining mixture. They can be planted up now, 2 to 3 cm deep, but do not water them until, the end of August beginning of September. Then careful watering is required around the edge of the plant not on the leaves Once the leaves start to yellow in the spring stop watering. The easiest way to kill them is to over water them.
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Hi Neil thanks for getting back to me, would cactus compost be ok as that is really free draining and I can mix in some perlite.
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I would presume so. The idea is to keep the soil moist and not waterlooged
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John,
There is quite a lot of organic matter in proprietary cactus compost which might encourage rot.
I would be inclined to avoid this. Make up your own mix based primarily on sharp sand (coarse gritty sand), add perlite by all means but don't add any more than 10% organic material.
As Neil has advised these are winter-growing plants. They need moisture when in growth and then need to be kept dry as they go dormant.
It is difficult to keep a pot plant that is grown in pure sand moist at the root over the summer which is why most of us add organics to our alpine mixes. This isn't a problem over winter as long as your greenhouse doesn't get too hot.
Ophrys grow well in gritty sand as long as they receive regular dilute feeds. Very few ophrys are lost due to "starvation" or lack of water over Winter -the vast majority die due to collar rot or root/tuber rot in the first half of the growing season.
Think inorganic when growing terrestrial orchids. How many times do we see Dactylorhizas self-seeding into lean gritty troughs and thriving with very little organics?
The main function of organic material in potting compost is to hold moisture. For the organic material to nourish plants it really needs to break down -such a process occurring in a pot often inadvertently creates an overgrowth of harmful fungi & anaerobic bacteria which then encourages rot. I am not a soil scientist but I have no doubt that the recycling of organic material in the open garden is a very different process to what happens in potted soil.
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I didn't know that about Cactus compost containing organic material. I just assumed it would be inorganic.
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I didn't either Neil, I thought with it been really sandy and gritty it would be ok
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I love it when plants just arrive in the garden of their own accord (well, most of them). This has appeared in a half barrel full of water loving iris. ID please!
ID suggested 18th June: Dactylorhiza fuchsii (Common spotted Orchid).
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Pogonia ophioglossoides
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That's a great colour, Roma. Beautiful markings.
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It is a beauty. I bought it in flower from Ardfearn at an Aberdeen show a few years ago and keep hoping it will flower at that time again but it never does. It looks promising but the buds take ages to develop.
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Roma that is lovely. Mine is not through the ground yet-but not dead!
Dactylorhiza 'Eskimo Nell' in the frame. The ones in the garden are in early bud.
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Very nice Tony!!!
Here is Dactylorhiza maculata alba -there is actually a pink suffusion to the hood.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3694/19004044206_8b0ea42c2b_o_d.jpg)
Anacamptis (Orchis) fragrans
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/521/19030273845_bf070c6730_o_d.jpg)
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Photos of Dactylorhiza and Anacamptis look fabulous Steve, thanks for posting.
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Interesting piece in our local paper today:
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/rare_orchid_spotted_in_norfolk_for_first_time_in_60_years_1_4122725 (http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/rare_orchid_spotted_in_norfolk_for_first_time_in_60_years_1_4122725)
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Given that these plants thrive down at Newmarket and are spreading to new sites all the time this is not such a surprise. Golfers are supposed to be transferring the seeds from course to course in Kent so presumably orchid spotters are carrying them all over the country!
But as they are now readily available to buy there has to be an element of doubt as with the Ophrys tenthredinifera in Dorset and the tongue orchids in the south west. Either way, hopefully it will thrive and build a colony.
I have just realised that I think I know the "bridge playing orchid expert" but am surprised that it took her so long to recognise the rosette as they are very distinctive.
But what an awful photograph!
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Interesting piece in our local paper today:
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/rare_orchid_spotted_in_norfolk_for_first_time_in_60_years_1_4122725 (http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/rare_orchid_spotted_in_norfolk_for_first_time_in_60_years_1_4122725)
Lots of them near Sandwich in Kent.
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Dactylorhiza praetermissa ssp majalis v. junialis, in my garden at pondmargin between irisses in only sphagnum.
They seem to benefit from a Corylus next to them. Does anybody know about a symbiotic relationship between Dactylorhiza and Corylus. It is remarkable that this huge group thrives well (I do nothing to propagate) ad on the other side of the pond no orchids to be seen, or in the garden.
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Pogonia ophioglossoides
Calopogon tuberosus
Calopogon tuberosus 'Alba'
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Bletilla in bloom.
Bletilla striata
Bletilla striata variegata
Bletilla striata variegata alba
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Not so far the Kent coast, on the other side of the Channel, the terrestrial orchids are in full bloom.
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The old dunes contains a rare flora.
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Very nice to see, Yann.
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This little beauty (Ponerorchis graminifolia) has been in flower for over a months now. I grow it with my Pleione praecox and other winter flowering pleiones, minimum winter temperature 5°C. The plant is prolific although the flower size is smaller than some. I am still looking for a nice large flowered one of these, preferably not white.
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quite nearby home, in Belgium (some of the flemish members will recognise the areas)
I went there to see the first Epipactis, without much hope of observing other orchids....finally
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and the Epipactis in bloom. It's becoming really dry.
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Dactylorhiza saccifera
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grace and beauty ;)
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This little beauty (Ponerorchis graminifolia) has been in flower for over a months now. I grow it with my Pleione praecox and other winter flowering pleiones, minimum winter temperature 5°C. The plant is prolific although the flower size is smaller than some. I am still looking for a nice large flowered one of these, preferably not white.
Very nice Maren, they look quite nice when more tubers in the pot. Mine are very cloce to flowering. This is first time for me, so I do not know the colers, but from looking at the buds, they will come out violet ore lavender. I will post some pictures later.
Regards Erling
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This little beauty (Ponerorchis graminifolia) has been in flower for over a months now. I grow it with my Pleione praecox and other winter flowering pleiones, minimum winter temperature 5°C. The plant is prolific although the flower size is smaller than some. I am still looking for a nice large flowered one of these, preferably not white.
Well I looked up the plant on Google and switched to 'image' view. Now I understand that variation within a species is normal but that plant is just ....
"wrong" (https://www.google.com/search?q=Ponerorchis+graminifolia&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=6A-UVbWTFfKU7QbI-L2YAg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=921) ???
Hi John
<b>A frost free greenhouse, as they will not survive outside in our climate.</b> The mixture I use is as follows 1 part perlite, 1 part fine horticulture grit, and 1 part a sandy soil, with no organic matter in it, it needs to free draining mixture.
Is this about temperature or our combination of low temps and rain? If I were to get eg O. lutea would it survive a 'typical' British winter, temperature wise, so long as it wasn't waterlogged or frozen solid?
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Well I looked up the plant on Google and switched to 'image' view. Now I understand that variation within a species is normal but that plant is just ....
"wrong" (https://www.google.com/search?q=Ponerorchis+graminifolia&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=6A-UVbWTFfKU7QbI-L2YAg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=921) ???
Tee Hee! A fine example of just how varied some plants can be - and a salutary lesson to those trying to ID plants only known through a few introductions, which may not even scrape the surface of their natural variation!
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Is this about temperature or our combination of low temps and rain? If I were to get eg O. lutea would it survive a 'typical' British winter, temperature wise, so long as it wasn't waterlogged or frozen solid?
But in a typical British winter it will get frozen solid or waterlogged or probably both at the same time or it will dry out, or the slugs and snails will get it. You only get one chance with a tuber, once the shoot is damaged that's it.
Perhaps you should just try one or two lutea in a sheltered spot. You might have a microclimate that suits them. They might survive. They might not. But I know which my money would be on.
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Hi Hud357,
thank you for linking to a Google image page of Ponerorchis graminifolia.
On the same page a little further down there is an image of this species which looks remarkably like mine. You can find it here (http://botanyboy.org/wp-content/uploads/WhitePon2.jpg).
And here is mine once more for comparison.
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Given that the Japanese have been selectively breeding these for years it is no surprise that there is such variety. I just wish that some of these varieties were available over here.
Just love the "mistakes" on these Google pages. Apart from the obvious, dendrobiums etc, you'd think that if your "Ponerorchis" photograph shows something completely different to the rest you might think about checking your plant's identity.
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Garden escapes oops :-[
They are native but I have not seen them growing locally
Dactylorhyza purpurella growing in my ponies field.
I used to have lots in the garden but have had problems with the black death in the last few years and most have died though they are still appearing in pots
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Very much a hybrid, but I wish I had the same problem. Just too dry here. We are in the pre ice age bed of the River Trent, gravel and sand six inches down. I think that an aerial photo would be able to spot it easily, just look for gravel pits and straw like grass. A couple of hundred yards away all is still green.
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Just love the "mistakes" on these Google pages. Apart from the obvious, dendrobiums etc, you'd think that if your "Ponerorchis" photograph shows something completely different to the rest you might think about checking your plant's identity.
I've often wondered about how far "off" the photos raised by a google search can be - seemed ridiculous to me that there could be any doubt in most cases - but then I realised that oftentimes there is a mention somewhere on the original page of a picture of the item you searched for in the first place - it is just that the search makes a connection where none exists!
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Some orchids flowering here now:
Ponerorchis graminifolia 'Renzetsu Shi-Itten' (first one of many more to come, last year I filled a bowl with these little beauties)
Calopogon tuberosus
Epipactis palustris just starting
and Pogonia ophioglossoides
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For those interested in seeing some more forms of Ponerorchis graminifolia, this is an excellent photo-site: http://yaplog.jp/saikachi/ (http://yaplog.jp/saikachi/)
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But in a typical British winter it will get frozen solid or waterlogged or probably both at the same time or it will dry out, or the slugs and snails will get it. You only get one chance with a tuber, once the shoot is damaged that's it.
Perhaps you should just try one or two lutea in a sheltered spot. You might have a microclimate that suits them. They might survive. They might not. But I know which my money would be on.
I was looking to try something in an unheated greenhouse and just wondering if it was wet+cold that would kill them or cold alone.
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Some orchids flowering here now:
Ponerorchis graminifolia 'Renzetsu Shi-Itten'
:)
Wim,
Is there a European source of Japanese cultivars?
Giles
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I was looking to try something in an unheated greenhouse and just wondering if it was wet+cold that would kill them or cold alone.
Unheated greenhouses are fine. Mine went down to -7 during 2012, -17 outside. Apart from a few Gennaria leaves nothing noticed. But when it is cold watering virtually stops, so yes it is the wet and cold combination which is the enemy. If we have winter like 10-11, snow on the ground for nearly three months, frost every night, then don't expect too many flowers as they simply won't grow enough.
I finally had electricity installed this year, not because I was desperate for heating but rather I wanted to have fans to boost the air circulation.
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hello friends,
some pics from my side.
Dactylorhiza 'foliosa-hybrid'
(http://www.imgbox.de/users/goofy008/1foliosa_hybrid.JPG) (http://www.imgbox.de/)
Dactylorhiza fuchsii alba
(http://www.imgbox.de/users/goofy008/1fuchsii_alba.JPG) (http://www.imgbox.de/)
Dactylorhiza fuchsii 'white with rose veining'
(http://www.imgbox.de/users/goofy008/1fuchsii_semi.JPG) (http://www.imgbox.de/)
Dactylorhiza maculata 'white with rose veining'
(http://www.imgbox.de/users/goofy008/1maculata_white12.JPG) (http://www.imgbox.de/)
Herminium monorchis
(http://www.imgbox.de/users/goofy008/1herminium1.JPG) (http://www.imgbox.de/)
enjoy
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Some more Ponerochis graminifolia flowering here now.
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Some more Ponerochis graminifolia flowering here now.
Though this is the first time I have ever looked at this plant, just to save others from asking ... Where do you obtain them in such diversity?
And a general comment pertaining to various threads on SRGC - anyone want to start a 'how to obtain such excellent pictures of your plants' thread within a suitable section of the forum?
I have no idea what equipment is used or how one would go about using it to obtain such results. Perhaps some of you might be willing to expose your secrets?
Just picking one at random ...
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/289/18359915345_6f0c451a00_o_d.jpg)
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Hi WimB,
lovely Ponerorchis graminifolia; what a varied collection you have. I am especially pleased to see another white one. ;)
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- anyone want to start a 'how to obtain such excellent pictures of your plants' thread within a suitable section of the forum?
I have no idea what equipment is used or how one would go about using it to obtain such results. Perhaps some of you might be willing to expose your secrets?
I think that would prove to be a popular and informative thread. Why don't you start it, it was your good idea?
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And a general comment pertaining to various threads on SRGC - anyone want to start a 'how to obtain such excellent pictures of your plants' thread within a suitable section of the forum?
I have no idea what equipment is used or how one would go about using it to obtain such results. Perhaps some of you might be willing to expose your secrets?
Just picking one at random ...
Well, as Chris suggests, you could start such a thread 8) - but you may not be aware that there is already a thread, 45 pages long, for just such things, although it has more often been used for questions about kit etc ..... it was drawn together in the beginning as " ........ the merged pages of all the pre-existing photographic subject threads, brought together in one place. Please use this area for techy talk on photographic questions/discussions."
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=54.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=54.0) :) :)
There are, of course, various posts spread through the forum where questions have been asked about techniques used for photographing subjects- but they wold need to be sought out by searching for suitable key words :-X It would be delightful to have some of the extremely talented photographers in the forum share their tips in a specific place :D
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Well done, Maggi. After making the comment I thought it likely that there would be an existing thread but didn't have time this morning to search for it.
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Neotinea ustulata -The Burnt-tip Orchid
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/431/18961947254_d206c168ce_o.jpg)
Gymnadenia conopsea alba
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/307/18963604973_0e1fefe1fe_o.jpg)
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Though this is the first time I have ever looked at this plant, just to save others from asking ... Where do you obtain them in such diversity?
I get them through a friend in Japan...they sell them in mixed packages when they are in rest.
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Hi WimB,
lovely Ponerorchis graminifolia; what a varied collection you have. I am especially pleased to see another white one. ;)
Yes, those white ones aren't that easily available, it seems...
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Out of two Bletilla ochracea clones, the first one is my favourite. The flowers open sulphur and fade into pale yellow, the petals turn white when ceasing blossoming.
The second clone has smaller flowers and do not open nicely as the first clone. The blush on the back of the petals is a nice feature though...
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These yellow forms are very appealing, Nova.
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They sure are Maggi. I wished the flowers could last more than just a few days :)
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I did not know the lowers were short lived, Nova. So many orchids are long-flowering - it is a shame to learn these gems are not. I really like soft, creamy or primrose yellow orchids. Not that I grow any!
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Is the short-lived nature just of the yellow forms? I have some pink ones I got from Keith Wiley a few years ago that flower for some weeks. Long gone now though .
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I am surprised to hear you say they last only a few days. I know that the flowers on a Bletilla can never be compared with a Phalaenopsis or anything of that ilk but I reckon that they are amongst the longest flowering of the hardies. I was given a Penway Coral in mid June which is still covered in flowers and I would expect the ochracea to last just as long.
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I didn't keep exact track of time. Being busy with work and having hardly any time to check on the flowers it felt they last a few days. Looking back at the pictures the individual flower last about a week. The hot weather last week may have speeded up the withering. First picture was taken 1st July and the second one today (the first flower already gone). The second clone is nearly out of flower.
Don't have any experience with Penway.
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Penway Coral is in my opinion a beauty. I mistakenly said that I was given one last month, though it certainly felt like it. At my last orchid society meeting the breeder "sold" three large plants for £5 each. Needless to say they went very quickly. The photo is a good likeness.
My ochracea is not a nice yellow like Nova's, far paler, though not as pale in the picture.
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Nova
very lovely and you are quite correct the flowers only last a couple of days.
Some of mine
three Bletilla ochracea
Bletilla formosana these have very small flowers compared with B. ochracea
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I am now wondering if my "ochracea" might be a hybrid as clearly it has some long lasting flower genes from somewhere! Genetically modified perhaps! Or perhaps it is just a clone that has "longer" lasting flowers. ;D
Even allowing for flowers developing up the spikes the Penway Coral has now been in flower for several weeks, I bought on June 21 when the seller described it as "well past its best". It still has several flowers open. A bit of a bargain for a fiver I reckon.
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Very nice Bletillas Tony!!!
And yes it's a bargain Steve, lucky you ;)
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That whole potful - for a fiver? Very good!
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Hi Steve2,
I agree, the B. Penway Coral is rather special. A real beauty. :)
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My feeble efforts at Ponerorchis graminifolia. I think I twice bought 6 from Thomson & Morgan a few years ago. There were some nice colours but most only lasted a year. I have three left. Two never open properly. Not sure if it's genetic or cultural but one shares a pot with the good one.
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Hi Roma,
they are not that easy. I have quite a collection and the coloured ones only make one or two spikes.
I also have a white one mentioned elsewhere. Some people think it's not what it is. Interesting philosophical concept. I'm happy to say that at today's BOC Judging Symposium at Harlow Carr, it was placed 1st in its class of 10 others. Happy me. ;D
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Happy you and a very happy looking plant Maren, congrats! ;)
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Maren, I cannot see what else your "Ponerorchis" might be! Just looks to be a lovely example which is bulking up nicely. Some seem to produce the peanut-like extra new tubers better than others. I have three clones bought on the same day from Wubben at the last Peterborough International Orchid Show in 2012. One is now five plants, one two and the other still a single tuber. All grown in identical conditions.
If there is any doubt about whether it is a true Ponerorchis it would be interesting to see one of the tubers when dormant. I suspect that it will just be an extra big peanut!
To Roma I say that given you bought yours from T and M you have done well to keep them at all! The tubers that they supplied me were tiny and very dry, and the plants just faded away. Buying orchids of any sort from these "gardening" firms is now a no-no for me. The quality is just not up to scratch, especially with Cypripediums.
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Maren, I cannot see what else your "Ponerorchis" might be! Just looks to be a lovely example which is bulking up nicely. Some seem to produce the peanut-like extra new tubers better than others. I have three clones bought on the same day from Wubben at the last Peterborough International Orchid Show in 2012. One is now five plants, one two and the other still a single tuber. All grown in identical conditions.
If there is any doubt about whether it is a true Ponerorchis it would be interesting to see one of the tubers when dormant. I suspect that it will just be an extra big peanut!
To Roma I say that given you bought yours from T and M you have done well to keep them at all! The tubers that they supplied me were tiny and very dry, and the plants just faded away. Buying orchids of any sort from these "gardening" firms is now a no-no for me. The quality is just not up to scratch, especially with Cypripediums.
Maren's white flowered plant is indeed a real beauty.
I too have bought T &M's plants to no avail - though I think Wim B. has done rather better with them. I have found the orchids, and something else bought from T&M by myself and for a friend, have been a complete failure. Had the same problem with cyps. bought from the RHS! Never again!
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Like Maren, I find my (almost) white form bulks up well - mind you I bought this in 2010 (from Paul Christian).
Another, darker, form bought last year in flower has yet to flower this year.
This is the white form I have flowering at present - I think it needs a feed. It shares a water tray with my Disas and is probably slightly starved at present.
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hello all,
now the platanthera cilliaris are open.....in my outdoor bog, without any protection in winter, cultivatet in pure sphagnum like dactyloriza sphagnolica.....
cheers
chris
(http://www. /file/d/4054/vun3jvbf_jpg.htm)
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Thanks for all your kind remarks.
Peter, that's a very pretty form. I agree that the plant may wish for some food, perhaps also a small dose of Epsom salts to help green up the leaves. :)
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Peter,
really lovely,not one I have tried so nice to see
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Nice images of these lovely Ponerorchis Maren and Peter.
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three different shades of Bletilla ochracea
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Crikey ... I know Britain's tallest recorded Common Spotted Orchid is 96 cm tall at Wakehurst but I was walking round the farm today and found this monster measuring nearly 93 cm. I remember this one from last year and it was half the size! Lets hope it can catch up in size next year ...
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Impressive plant. Cannot see the flower structure too easily in the photos. Do you think it is a hybrid?
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Impressive plant. Cannot see the flower structure too easily in the photos. Do you think it is a hybrid?
Hi Steve, here is a photo taken last year of the same plant in flower. I do believe it isn't a hybrid. We have a huge variety of coloured forms of Common Spotted orchids here around the farm. The only other Dac local to here is maculata that grows over a mile away on a farm on a completely different habitat (extremely high) and as we came here only over a year ago its impossible that it has come from garden plants.
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Got to say it looks like a hybrid to me. Even before your last post I was thinking the side lobes looked maculataesque. The size compared with those around it is a bit of a hint. I think that pollinating insects get around a lot more than we realise and hybrids often turn up where one parent is absent.
Guess we'll never know and it is a big plant by any standards, but given that no one I know goes around measuring the height of the Dacts they find this is a bit of a dubious record anyway!
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I know they are notoriously difficult to identify and the robust nature of this plant would suggest a hybrid but looking at the plant again just now it does not display characteristics of two parents. The lips are simply not broad enough and given that the only other colony is extremely isolated would suggest it isn't a hybrid ... but as you say we can never know for sure. Also the plants growing around the base of the plant are young off-sets from it. I think cutting back the brambles surrounding it this spring has obviously encouraged it to reach for the sky this year :)
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Did you "make" and transplant the offsets or were they made naturally? I only ask as in my part of the world fuchsii very rarely divide vegetatively. I regard a clump of clones as a sure sign of hybridisation, but I repeat this may only hold in my part of the world!
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Did you "make" and transplant the offsets or were they made naturally? I only ask as in my part of the world fuchsii very rarely divide vegetatively. I regard a clump of clones as a sure sign of hybridisation, but I repeat this may only hold in my part of the world!
These have been naturally produced, we have quite a few Dac's that are starting to bulk up this year around the grounds and in the wood - where the majority of the plants have self seeded from. The farm was previously over grazed and it is amazing the amount of wildflowers that are coming back. Also have Greater Butterfly orchids, Twayblade's and a few Helleborine have just emerged.
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Marsh orchids are very prone to hybridisation and can confuse the unwary. When there are many growing together, as at the Lincolnshire coastal dunes, some can look like candelabra.
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SteveC2, the system will not allow me to reply to your email, ian.
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I wondered why you were sending my messages back with no reply. Never mind. The wonders of technology!
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SteveC2, the system will not allow me to reply to your email, ian.
" The system" is working well, Ian - I think perhaps that Steve may have been sending you personal messages and you have been trying to reply to the email that you get informing you that there is a personal message waiting for you in the forum, or perhaps you are hitting the wrong button when replying to a P/message -( it's easy to do that if you're not concentrating - I've done it myself! ;D ) but whatever is happening, I can assure you that "the system" is in working order.
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Hello Maggie, at the end of Steves personal message it says "reply to this Personal Message here" and gives an address in blue. When I clicked on this it routed me to the SRGC forum site. Steves original message came up but there was no option to reply.
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I assure you that if you scroll down the page a little there is a "send message" box to send the reply you will have typed in the text box. There is also, immediately below the text box, the option to save a copy of the message in your outbox.
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I may have done it now I hope. At least it does not appear on the Forum. Old age does funny things.
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Platanthera ciliaris, in flower today. I assume it is very late, but a very welcome splash of colour. I bought two non-flowering size plants from a forum member and they have both flowered, thanks Gerhard.
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Steve
very nice.I have had two in bud for a couple of months and I am beginning to wonder if they will ever open. It is my first time at growing them.
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These took ages to open as well and like you I was wondering if something was wrong, especially when the leaves started going over. I believe that is found throughout eastern USA and flowers there in late July-early September, but normally cultivated plants flower earlier than in nature.
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Platanthera ciliaris, in flower today. I assume it is very late, but a very welcome splash of colour. I bought two non-flowering size plants from a forum member and they have both flowered, thanks Gerhard.
Colour is very nice - bright and warm but not too garish.
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First Platanthera ciliaris at last now flowering.
A second one is still a couple of weeks of opening.
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It's taken me a while, but I've finally twigged what the colour is - it's the colour of Galia Melon flesh - yummy!!
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hello friends,
the first Spiranthes australis from my own 2012 sowings are flowering.
(also see my other thread "goofys sowing efforts")
(http://www.imgbox.de/users/goofy008/2australis_2.JPG) (http://www.imgbox.de/)
enjoy
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Hi Goofy,
that is a first class result. I always wanted some of these but they were impossible to obtain. Also, I lack the skills and patience to grow these plants from seed. Very well done. :)
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It's taken me a while, but I've finally twigged what the colour is - it's the colour of Galia Melon flesh - yummy!!
Umm isn't Galia melon flesh greenish white? :P
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Umm isn't Galia melon flesh greenish white? :P
Oh dear - wrong melon!?! Cantaloupe is what I meant - though I think Charentais has that colour too. :-\
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A NEW VARIETY DESCRIBED FROM LEBANON, Ophrys apifera var. libanotica
K. ADDAM AND M. BOU-HAMDAN (ORCHIDACEAE)
J Bot Res 6.1 (2015):39-46
Authors K. ADDAM, I.D. KEBBE, J. TAKKOUSH, K. HOUT, M. BOU-HAMDAN
Published on 31 Mar 2015 Pages : 39-46 Article Id : BIA0002436
http://www.bioinfopublication.org/files/articles/6_1_1_JBR.pdf (http://www.bioinfopublication.org/files/articles/6_1_1_JBR.pdf)
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More unnecessary splitting
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Oh dear, Neil, it's only a variety, not a new species. ;) ;)
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Still splitting it
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In the greenhouse Ophrys and Serapias are earlier than previous year, can't wait spring to see them blooming....as always!
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More unnecessary splitting
I saw on one website there are now 220 species of orchis/ophrys in Greece. Must now have overtaken crocus and narcissus combined!
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Nice to see loads of mine awake again. Don't know if it was coincidence but within days of me soaking the sand plunge they were up
While removing this years growth, when do you remove it?, I accidentally pulled up one of my O. italica. Again it had two rows of roots. One at the top of the tuber and another set further up the neck
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Do any of you use moisture meters to check how damp the contents are in your winter green pots? Are they worth buying?
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hello Mark,
if you use claypots,
your "fingertips" are a super "moisture meter" :)
cheers
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The last 2015 orchid in my garden is Spiranthes cernua grown in a small artificial Sphagnum/Polytricum bog. My stock is not quite hardy so I keep back-ups in the lab.
I have had problems with low survival of Platanthera huronensis in pots, so I have also plantet the last seedlings of that batch in the bog and will keep my fingers crossed in the hope that the slugs don't find them. Does anyone have experiences with P. huronensis in a coastal zone 7 climate?
Anders
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I don't think we've ever had any pictures of Platanthera huronensis in the forum - do you have any photos of it in flower, Anders?
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No photos of P. huronensis in flower yet, I received the seeds a gift by mail. But here are some pictures of another small greenish orchid, Platanthera hyperborea from Narsarsuaq Sourthern Greenland. The hyperborea seedlings are from seeds from Copenhagen Botanical Garden.
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thank you, Anders!
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Hi Anders,
I congratulate you on your success in growing hardy orchids from seed. The Platanthera hyperborea is so rare, it's a real pleasure to see how much success you are having. Well done to the Copenhagen Botanical Gardens for letting you have the seed. I've always liked the place, and even more so now. :) :) :)
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Stenoglottis fimbriatum
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hello,
from the flower I woud say it is S. longifolia.
the fimbriata lip (most) is "3-lobed", while this seems to have 5 or more ..........
PLS show habitus pic with foliage for more information.
nevertheless NICE :)
cheers
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hello,
from the flower I woud say it is S. longifolia.
the fimbriata lip (most) is "3-lobed", while this seems to have 5 or more ..........
PLS show habitus pic with foliage for more information.
nevertheless NICE :)
cheers
Thanks, goofy...I don't know a lot about this genus, just bought it as such...I'll post a pic of the leaves ASAP.
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hello,
from the flower I woud say it is S. longifolia.
the fimbriata lip (most) is "3-lobed", while this seems to have 5 or more ..........
PLS show habitus pic with foliage for more information.
nevertheless NICE :)
cheers
Hi Goofy,
this enough for a better determination?
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thank you Wim for the pictures.
OK, I have no doubt that your plant is S. longifolia.
Unfortunately I dont grow any Stenoglottis,
but you can find a pic in this link:
http://www.sborchid.com/plantdisplay.php?ocode=SNGL00005 (http://www.sborchid.com/plantdisplay.php?ocode=SNGL00005)
longifolia has, due to its name, "long leaves", which are unspotted.
while the fimbriata has shorter "wavy" and broarder leaves,
most times heavily spotted. good to see in the pic from the link.
dont be sad, you have a well grown plant,
and the flowerstem, normally is much longer than from the fimbriatum.
cheers
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thank you Wim for the pictures.
OK, I have no doubt that your plant is S. longifolia.
Unfortunately I dont grow any Stenoglottis,
but you can find a pic in this link:
http://www.sborchid.com/plantdisplay.php?ocode=SNGL00005 (http://www.sborchid.com/plantdisplay.php?ocode=SNGL00005)
longifolia has, due to its name, "long leaves", which are unspotted.
while the fimbriata has shorter "wavy" and broarder leaves,
most times heavily spotted. good to see in the pic from the link.
dont be sad, you have a well grown plant,
and the flowerstem, normally is much longer than from the fimbriatum.
cheers
Many thanks Goofy,
I'll change the label.
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Many thanks Goofy,
I'll change the label.
Take the chance to have a good sniff of the flower at the same time - should have a nice fragrance.
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Take the chance to have a good sniff of the flower at the same time - should have a nice fragrance.
Really? I have a big plant, ten spikes, and have never noticed the slightest hint of a smell. Going over slightly now, but nothing detected even with nose in contact with flower. Same result from four spiker. Will have to check when it flowers next year. Perhaps it is a freshness thing. ;D
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Actually, right after I posted, I was looking at my plants - not in flower now - and thought that perhaps I might have been confusing it with another, scented genus. Cannot for the life of me remember what that is, at the minute!Out of reach and not sure there is still a label! :-X :-\
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Nice to see loads of mine awake again. Don't know if it was coincidence but within days of me soaking the sand plunge they were up
While removing this years growth, when do you remove it?, I accidentally pulled up one of my O. italica. Again it had two rows of roots. One at the top of the tuber and another set further up the neck
oops a mistake and I only just noticed ... While removing last years growth ....
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Take the chance to have a good sniff of the flower at the same time - should have a nice fragrance.
Will have a sniff today and I'll tell you if it smells ;)
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hopefully it is not true, what I heared:
It is said to smell like "rotten meat"
you will find out...........
whish you the very best ;D
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LOL, just had a sniff and they smell like................nothing. Odourless but beautiful none the less.
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In light of Goofy's comment - you may be grateful about that, Wim! It is a very dainty flower, for sure.
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hello friends,
after summer dormancy, the Changnienia amoena made good progress.
8 new leaves came up, so 3 more, than last year.
the flower buds normally begin to grow in early spring.
the seed capsule (cross pollinatesd march 5) is still growing.
will be interesting to see, if there are viable seeds inside :)
(http://www.imgbox.de/users/goofy008/stick.jpg) (http://www.imgbox.de/)
under my conditions it is a "beginners plant"
-I have it for about 9 years now-
nevertheless its rarely seen in cultivation.
so maybe in the "near" future
I will have seedlings, HOPEFULLY :) :)
enjoy
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under my conditions it is a "beginners plant"
-I have it for about 9 years now-
Nine years, that's impressive Dieter! Which potting mix do you use to keep the mycorrhizal fungi happy?
I received three tubers in January and grow them in 1:1:1 perlite, coarse sand and peat.
So far so good, I only lost one small tuber. It looks like the one on the right will flower in spring.
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Hi,
I am encouraged by your success. I bought a tuber in the spring and it is showing two leaves, but with holes in them, possibly a snail or slug. I hope it survives.
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hi,
I dont believe in "fungus Myths" ;D
I think, the recipe of cultivating Changnienias longtime,
is JUST SKILL..........
(http://www.imgbox.de/users/goofy008/hystery.gif) (http://www.imgbox.de/)
OK, to be honest.
I really dont believe in the fungus.
they are on my plant for sure totally DEAD.........
all those tuberous orchids dont need a fungus when adult.
but yes, there are some few.
"fungus", its nothing but an accepted "excusion for mismanagement"............
nobody talks about fungus on Pleiones for example,
so why with Changnienia??
it depends much more, how healthy they are,
when they arrive "from China"
even if they have no leaves on arrival, they can survive.
most times they are too dry, better than rotted ;D
I grow my plants in composted fir bark.
repotting every 2-3 years.
"field guide of the orchids of china" says,
they grow in humus rich soil in open forests
or shady places along valleys.
so decide about "WHAT COULD BE" the right soil.
cheers
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"fungus", its nothing but an accepted "excusion for mismanagement"............
nobody talks about fungus on Pleiones for example,
so why with Changnienia??
Perhaps you're right, but Changnienia is a true terrestrial while Pleiones are mostly lithophytical or epiphytical. Degree of dependency varies within the genera and species I suppose?
Anyway glad to know Changnienia is easier to grow than thought and thank you for sharing your potting mix ;)
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hello friends,
after summer dormancy, the Changnienia amoena made good progress.
8 new leaves came up, so 3 more, than last year.
the flower buds normally begin to grow in early spring.
the seed capsule (cross pollinatesd march 5) is still growing.
will be interesting to see, if there are viable seeds inside :)
(http://www.imgbox.de/users/goofy008/stick.jpg) (http://www.imgbox.de/)
under my conditions it is a "beginners plant"
-I have it for about 9 years now-
nevertheless its rarely seen in cultivation.
so maybe in the "near" future
I will have seedlings, HOPEFULLY :) :)
enjoy
Do you keep them frost free over winter?
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it is fairly clear that most terrestrials are not "addicted" to any fungus.
even if they grow with fungus from their natural habitat.
otherwise you never could grow Orchis, Ophrys or Cypripediums from asymbiotic cultivation.
it might be, that some kind of fungus are "helpful",
but if growing them in "fungusneutral" soil,
one will be fairly successful,
so growing in sterilized "firbark" or seramis combinations.
you minimize the risk of loosing,
even if there are some "remaining fungus" from its natural habitat.
I wll try to find/ isolate remaining fungus on my plants
from the new root tips soon
cheers
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sorry Tony,
overlooked your posting.
yes they are in my frostfree greenhouse over winter.
in summer in a shady rainprotected place.
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Watering the Crocus pots in the darkness of the night, i was really shocked :o
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Well, that was a shock - a very nice shock!
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I usually get it flowered end of January but i also remember posts of Tony during the end of december.
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Given the weather we are having it is no surprise that things are early, yet funnily enough my rogue Barlia which is often open by the middle of November is just unfurling. I do have Ophrys flower spikes emerging left right and centre though.
And Yann you might want to look at your labels; your speculum looks very fusca- esque to me. I am told that this is a very early flowerer down in the Med. When we visited Majorca in mid-March 2014 they were mostly long finished with seed pods forming.
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Nice plant Yann. It looks rather like Ophrys melena.
I also have a few ophrys spikes showing courtesy of the mild weather.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/nico_bees_wasps/5655296926 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/nico_bees_wasps/5655296926)
It's a mixed pot with also o. italica. (foliage in right corner). Steve you're right, it melena.
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Melena is never one that really comes to my mind, sort of an inferior lutea which is a bit fusca-esque. ;D
Thought I saw an italica leaf in the photo. Mixed pot by design Yann, or due to mislabelled tubers? There seems to be a lot of the latter about the past couple of years.
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I was short in pots, so i decided to put several species per pot. A thing i shouldn't do, the proof is that.
phryganae is a bit similar with the brown W end of label.
But definately not speculum(after seeing hundreds in nature!), i was thinking lutea and misnamed the photo.Too much tired those days.
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When I see the name melena (melaena) I think of black tarry stool and bleeding ulcers - unfortunate really! :o
Ophrys melena does have some subtle charm however.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7699/16673350773_d3d3c13eea_o_d.jpg)
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Ophrys melena does have some subtle charm however.
Beautiful.
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Very lovely. :)
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Anacamptis morio ssp. syriaca
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I hope it'll make some babies ;)
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I hope it'll make some babies ;)
Does this species make offsets??
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usually you can get 2 bulbils per year.
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usually you can get 2 bulbils per year.
Thanks Yann, you're 1st on the list!
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Wim
Would it be possible for you to pollinate a flower for me so I may have some seeds?
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Wim
Would it be possible for you to pollinate a flower for me so I may have some seeds?
I'll try! Is it self-fertile?
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Yes it is and thank you for trying.
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Yes it is and thank you for trying.
You're welcome, the pollinia stuck very readily to the back of a small paintbrush, now just hoping I pollinated the stigmatic spots correctly!
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Thank you, it is difficult trying to pollinate them, they need to be bigger!
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Thank you, it is difficult trying to pollinate them, they need to be bigger!
Yes, a decent dish-size would make it a lot easier!
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Just before the sunset, Ophrys tenthredinifera has began to flower.
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Ophrys apifera