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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: Andrew on February 01, 2008, 08:12:16 AM
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My turn to ask for an identification please,
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Supplied as C. cancellatus ssp. lycius, but I do not think so,
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and before you ask, here's the corm!
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Now something very easy to identify,
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C. carpetanus
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Andrew, I would point for Crocus sieberi!
ssp sublimis if the throat is pubescent
ssp nivalis if the throat is glabrous
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Morning Thomas,
So not even a C. cancellatus flowering out of season ?
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:-\ No, sorry :'(
Perhaps I will have a small cancellatus ssp lycius offset for you this summer!
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For beginners:
pubescent : Covered with hairs, especially if short, soft, and down-like.
glabrous : Smooth; not rough, pubescent, or hairy.
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thanks Maggi. I just read the post and was thinking ..
Here are a couple of tasters for later. Editing lots of Crocus photos just now
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It's interesting to see from Andrew's bared corm that all Crocus roots must grow down and not travel through the potting mix. I knocked over a pot with Colchicums today and the roots filled the pot. No potting mix could be seen
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Great close-ups Mark !
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Thanks but they aren't a sharp as I would have liked.
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Here we go with today's offerings. 138 photos taken
alatavicus - Tony G or Thomas what is causing the bruising?
angustifolius supplied as cvij...
corsicus - I hope. Cant remember the source
dalmaticus
gargaricus herbertii - leaves only just emerging maybe less than 10mm
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sieberi Hubert Edelsten
sieberi Ronald Ginns
vernus Krasno Polje
vitellinus
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I have made a desk top wallpaper from C. vitellinus if anyone wants it. I can make it what ever size you need. The main image is on the right so your desk top icons wont spoil the image. It looks like this
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Great set of pictures Mark, you were on top form with the camera today!
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Mark,
Excellent pics. Capture them beautifully!! Corsicus matches what I have under that name, if that is any help. Lovely Crocus, and one of the best growers and multipliers for me.
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Now, you see, THIS is why I ADORE CROCUS! Aren't they just the most stunning little things? Such shapes, such colours, all those fabulous markings...... GREAT!!
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I am sorry so many of you got caught out with the angustifolius fiasco........if the seller received them from, to quote him " our supplier, a well known horticulturalist" then both are at fault. What is this "well-known horticulturalist" KNOWN FOR.... not knowing his angustifolius from his cvijicii ? Being a man of shaky morals? Price may well have been "reasonable" for angustifolius.... but there is an honest mistake and there is blatant disregard honest representation. If I am a beginner, then how do I know HOW much a C. cvijicii is "meant" to cost? If I am sold a Maserati and it turns out to be a Lada, I may have been naive, but someone else is much worse than that!
Sadly there are too many folks misrepresenting what they sell... and some who are charging HIGH prices and still not providing a plant which is true to name, or even, in some cases, a plant which has enough roots/reserves to be viable.... Grr! Mump!
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The supplier in question has been offered some other 'nice crocus' and having taken my feedback on board is seeking help in ensuring that future offerings are true to name. I will try to help but the best advice is for them to grow them for a season before offering them and get the plants checked by experts (by posting here for starters!)
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Great to read everyone likes the photos. I worked hard on them today. Of course they are great Maggi - watch the letter box tomorrow and pounce on the padded envelope. Limit yersel to one square a week
For those interested all were taken using my old c6 year old Nikon 5000
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My goodness Mark. Amazing!
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Nice collection of crocus, Mark, our spring corms are just starting to do things. May have some pics in a week or two if it ever gets warm and sunny up here!
A fewposts back I thought I saw a hint of who the questionable bulb supplier was, but as I can't find it again suspect that our favourite moderator may have edited it out. Fair enough, we all make genuine mistakes. We have bought bulbs from this seller for a number of years now and have found the stock to be good and reasonably priced. I will, obviously now, look closely at last years bulbs when they start flowering especially as I see that we have C.c. kosanin from 2007.
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David no mention of a name was made that I can remember
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Here's how the wallpaper will look.
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David no mention of a name was made that I can remember
Look at the January thread Mark.
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Here is Crocus michelsonii 'Turkmenian Night' and C. angustifolius. I do love these miniature bulbs. ;)
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I'm not the big Crocus fan - but here is a pic from my collection :
This is a natural hybrid between C. biflorus X C. chrysanthus .....found in the Taurus Mts.
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Hans very nice,very similar to the ones on Ulu Dag
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Turkmenian Night is very nice
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The show goes on !
Great collection Mark - stunning !
Thanks for reposting Turkmenian Night Anthony - just as amazing as last year - you think it has multiplied ??
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Here are a few Crocus from this morning
This could be angustifolius bronze form
I'll show the possible corsicus again - what's your opinion Tony G?
korokowii Dark Throat
The next could be sieberi
vernus krasno polje open
Without going out to check from memory this is chrysanthus
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Crocus outside very limited here as yet.... even under glass they are coming very slowly.. it's as if they know Ian isn't here and have gone into suspended animation ::)
This is Crocus sieberi atticus... just one ofthe very best garden crocus up here for early and long lasting flowers... this clump is quite exposed .... I did find some further out under a rhodo, but by then the camera batteries had gone flat!
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Poor things f-f-f-frozen
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They sure are frozen! Was never above 3 degrees here today..... which is why I scoffed ALL the choclate you sent me.... can't believe you expected me to RATION myself!! ::) :o
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Mark - your Crocus corsicus looks exactly like the 'trade' form that Thomas and I grow. Likely that a lot of other people are growing it too as mine came from P&M (as they then were) in 1988 so its been around a while. As we have mentioned earlier it is atypical in that it has a yellow throat. However it does not fit into imperati so I'm still calling it corsicus.
Also, Crocus angustifolius Bronze form is typically paler yellow, with pinkish maroon outer blotches, yours look a very strong yellow but it could just be the light and the tight buds that make yours look yellower!
David, I think we are talking about the same supplier that you refer to. I had not ordered from them until 2007, the bulbs are all healthy and promise good flowers. Unfortunately anyone who buys in and sells on stock without growing it for a year runs the risk of both being sold and selling a 'dud'. I offered to check the corms for them last year but the only way to do this was to buy some ... by the time I received them and knew that they were not as labelled, it was too late. Cvijicii turned out to be nice, ordinary C angustifolius.
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Tony I would say my dark angustifolius is as seen. I have no label and with most of my collection I didnt keep note of where they came from. Do you have an RHS colour chart? I can get the colours on Monday
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Marvellous pics of your Crocus Mark. Bravo ! Some pics of sieberi not rare but nice I find. My corsicus was sent me by Botanical Garden of Wuppertal, Thomas !
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Tony G., if sun to morrow, I'll verify the colour of the throat and I hope it without yellow !!!
Just I see I am now full member !!!! What a distinction ! I will drink CHAMPAGNE at your health, all, and cook crepes because to day is the Chandeleur day and the daylight is bigger of an hour here !!!
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David, I think we are talking about the same supplier that you refer to. I had not ordered from them until 2007, the bulbs are all healthy and promise good flowers. Unfortunately anyone who buys in and sells on stock without growing it for a year runs the risk of both being sold and selling a 'dud'. I offered to check the corms for them last year but the only way to do this was to buy some ... by the time I received them and knew that they were not as labelled, it was too late. Cvijicii turned out to be nice, ordinary C angustifolius.
Does this supplier not grow on any bulbs but simply buys in wholesale and sells on retail?
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here are a few more in flower.It looks like a rotten year for the crocus caused I think by a couple of hot weeks in April which caused them to go dormant too soon.
The angustifolius was collected in the Crimea years ago and given to me4 on a visit to germany.
The sieberi from Crete are a complete nusiancve in my sand plunge beds.
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Tony, just dig your nuisance Crocus out of your plunge beds and send them up here, I'll give them a kind, caring home :-*
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I second that. :) I have just one sieberi in flower and it is a wee cutie. Those you have are little beauties. 8)
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The Nicholson home for waifs and strays is also open for business ;D
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I have a question for all the croconuts. A gentleman has contacted me about my form of C. hadriaticus. This is what he said:
By the way, Brian Mathew regards C. hadriaticus chrysobelonicus as an invalid name. I had it under the name “forma hadriaticus” - also an invalid name. As far as I can ascertain, the correct - or at least current - name is C. hadriaticus “Tom Blanchard”. According to the old HoogDix nursery website it was named by Michael Hoog after D. (Tom) Blanchard (presumably John Blanchard’s father) who introduced the clone. Whatever the name, if yours is the same plant as I used to grow & as pictured by Lonsdale it is certainly a very distinct clone of C. hadriaticus.
I did know about chrysobelonicus being an invalid epithet, but can anyone throw any light on the 'Tom Blanchard' bit, as I'd like to give it a name to distinguish it from the other forms. Thanks. Here are the pics I posted last (?) year.
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hHlo, Anne, yes, I remember when you first showed us this stunning plant that you mentioned you thought the name was invalid. Is this any help? ...... from Catalogue of the Living Collections of Royal Botanic Garden Edinburgh:
" Crocus hadriaticus Herb.
Status: accepted name
Iridaceae
Synonymy:
Crocus hadriaticus Herb. ssp. chrysobelonicus
RBGE accession(s)
19840832 Wild collected in Greece
19933646 Wild collected in Greece
19933653 Wild collected in Greece
19952414 Cultivated material
19992021 Cultivated from wild collection from Greece
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Crocus hadriaticus Herb. ssp. chrysobelonicus
Status: synonym
Iridaceae
Accepted name:
Crocus hadriaticus Herb. "
Full document :
http://rbg-web2.rbge.org.uk/cgi-bin/nph-readbtree.pl/parent=/filename=NAMES/firstval=121/multiform=%7Cmultisite%7Cmultisite3.php/multiaddr=bb04702.rbge.org.uk?ETI%3DIridaceae
This is all i seem to find about a Tom Blanchard connection: http://www.thealpinegarden.com/thumbnailindexcrocus.htm This is a link to John Lonsdale's site, so he may be able to help.... are you about, John?? ???
Tony Rymer showed a crocus under the name Crocus hadriaticus var. chrysobelonicus at a Discussion weekend show at Pitlochry, so he may be able to chip in his opinion, too. Don't know if you lurk, or not, Tony? ???
BULBS
By John E. Bryan
Published 2002
Timber Press
ISBN 0881925292 describes var chrysobelonicus as having " pure white flowers with no markings" (There is a pic, it seems, plate 368 )
Crocus hadriaticus is said to have" flowers, to four inches, white stained brown or purple near base; throatis yellow or white, style is three-branched, orange."
That's about as much as I have, Anne! Lonsdale to the rescue, I hope!
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As best I know, C. hadriaticus ssp. chrysobelonicus is indeed invalid. 'Tom Blanchard' is a selection of hadriaticus ssp. hadriaticus, and Anne's plant certainly looks to be C. hadriaticus ssp. hadriaticus. I don't think she can definitively call it 'Tom Blanchard' though. It is hard to tell but if anything it looks to be a little darker in the throat and tube, with a bit less yellow, than TB. The flower shape also looks more globular. Either way it is a beautiful selection of C. hadriaticus ssp. hadriaticus.
Y'all :) are way ahead of us here, where it has been cold enough to keep things on track for a proper winter, everything that should be dormant, is. We've had no snow to speak of and not been really cold - so far so good! A few crocus are twitching in the garden, a few snowdrops thinking about opening, some hellebore buds are moving, and even an Adonis amurensis is in early flower - the rest are way behind. Fritillaria striata has filled the greenhouse with gorgeous scent - from only 4 flowers!
Just got the wings ready for the Super Bowl!
Best,
J.
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Thanks, John, I'm sure that's been a help.
Your Frit. striata has got a bit ahead of itself, surely? Must be a fan of the Superbowl, too, I expect!!
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Maggie,
Frit. striata is one of those western US species that flowers very early normally. It wouldn't stand a chance outside, of course. The majority of the western species are like those in the central Asian Rhinopetalum group, with respect to flowering time, a number of F. stenanthera and gibbosa are also coming into flower here.
J.
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Frit. striata is one of those western US species that flowers very early normally.
Really, I thought March in the wild was the time ???
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David, I think we are talking about the same supplier that you refer to. I had not ordered from them until 2007, the bulbs are all healthy and promise good flowers. Unfortunately anyone who buys in and sells on stock without growing it for a year runs the risk of both being sold and selling a 'dud'. I offered to check the corms for them last year but the only way to do this was to buy some ... by the time I received them and knew that they were not as labelled, it was too late. Cvijicii turned out to be nice, ordinary C angustifolius.
Does this supplier not grow on any bulbs but simply buys in wholesale and sells on retail?
I did not mean to imply that - simply that some of their bulbs are bought in and sold on quickly. This may well be true of many other suppliers too, of course.
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I am the "gentleman" (I wish!) who contacted Anne about her form of C. hadriaticus, a form I used to have (from a Dutch import) under the invalid name of "forma hadriaticus". Apparently, she received her plant as C. hadriaticus chrysobelonicus. I had two reasons for suggesting that her plant was the clone 'Tom Blanchard'. Firstly, the entry in the old web catalogue of the Dutch wholesale nursery HoogDix:
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hadriaticus Herb. var. chrysobelonicus Herb.; see C. hadriaticus Herb. 'Tom Blanchard'.
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hadriaticus Herb. 'Tom Blanchard' Named by Michael Hoog after D. (Tom) Blanchard of Blandford, Dorset, who introduced this clone. Flowers white with a yellow throat. The base of the segments have a purple tinge on the exterior. Fragrant. Ht. 7-10 cm. X - XI.
Secondly, the web photos of 'Tom Blanchard' by John Lonsdale. John queries the colours of Anne's plant. However, the colours of plants vary somewhat according to cultivation conditions & temperature. I still think it more likely than not that Anne's plant is indeed 'Tom Blanchard'.
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The sieberi from Crete are a complete nusiancve in my sand plunge beds.
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Tony W., how does it come this cute C. sieberi it is a nuisance?
BTW C.vernus vernus pale form is a beauti, too.
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Here are a few Crocus from this morning
This could be angustifolius bronze form
I'll show the possible corsicus again - what's your opinion Tony G?
korokowii Dark Throat
The next could be sieberi
vernus krasno polje open
Without going out to check from memory this is chrysanthus
Mark, beautiful shots. Mine in my garden are still :-\
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Tony w. Really splendid pics especially the first sieberi-nuisance !!! danfordiae too
To day the sun shines after a cold night and Crocuses open maximum
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I love to see the colour and shading on a crocus bud, the differing shapes and sizes....but the rush of delight when you see their happy little faces open in the sun... there's nothing like it! Bliss!
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Thanks everyone and thanks to everyone else for sharing.
Can I go on the list also for the problem Crocus
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Dominique that is a lovely antalyensis,not one I find easy.Mine come from a site in NW Turkey, which has now become a dual carriageway, and seem difficult to get to a size to flower.
The sieberi self seeded into my sand one year without me noticing. Since then they seem to have come spread by me disturbing the sand as I move the pots about.
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Tony,
That crete sieberi would be welcome here too, although to do that you'd need to actually harvest the seeds instead of having them escape!! ;D
Dominique,
Beautiful pics! Just beautiful!!
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Another weekend with wonderful photos from all over the world!
Wish my own plants would open here. I have lots of crocus out
of the ground but it's still too cold for them to open :-[ :'(
I agree with John Lonsdale, that Anne's hadriaticus chrysobelonicus doesn't
look like h. Tom Blanchard. Here a photo of Anne's plants in my garden:
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And the link to John Lonsdales collection:
http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/Plants_album/The%20Complete%20Collection/Iridaceae/Crocus/Subgen%20Crocus%20Ser%20Crocus/C.%20hadriaticus/slides/Crocus%20hadriaticus%20Tom%20Blanchard%200005.html
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Dominique, a wonderful crocus series.
Your C. sieberi ssp. tricolor shows more wider white ring than the ones I know.
Where is the corms origin from?
Thomas, same situation in my lawn. Many shots but too less open.
Frost in the night, then in the afternoon 1hr sun - the rest was a dull day.
Some pictures for warm up.
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more...
The "unknown" I have to wait for identification until it is open - forgot to note what I planted. ::)
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Looks very promising Armin !
We'll be on the look-out for more ;)
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Thanks for everyone's help with the C hadriaticus. I think I'll list it as C hadriaticus ssp. hadriaticus, form very similar to the variety 'Tom Blanchard'. I hope that will be acceptable. It will be interesting to see if the seedlings have a similar dark throat.
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I'd go along with that decision, you were getting such good advice that I decided to keep quiet :-X :)
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Armin, I hope you get some sunshine. I have a patch of Crocus chrysanthus Ard Schenk that I posted a few days ago which is now well past its best but has been open for only one day :(
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Just a couple today.
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C. vernus ssp. heuffelianus
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C. tommasinianus var. roseus
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Nice Andrew they are well in front of mine.
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Looks very promising Armin !
We'll be on the look-out for more ;)
Thanks Luc, no doubt will post more...
The "unknown" is likely C.biflorus ssp tauri.
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Just a couple today.
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C. vernus ssp. heuffelianus
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C. tommasinianus var. roseus
Andrew,
interesting, your C. vernus ssp. heuffelianus does not show typical dark tips and no dark stem.
It is a variable species and I'm not the expert but for me it looks more like a tommy... :-\
What's the real experts opinion?
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Armin, your unknown Crocus is possible Cr.biflorus ssp.tauri
Here my cross between Cr.veluchensis and cvijicii
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Dirk that is a beautiful hybrid,makes me want to try it myself
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Armin, your unknown Crocus is possible Cr.biflorus ssp.tauri
Here my cross between Cr.veluchensis and cvijicii
Dirk, thanks for your identification help. ;)
Your hybrid is a very beautiful one. Did it increase as hoped?
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Very special colour shades Dirk - so delicate !
Beautiful !
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A gorgeous hybrid Dirk.
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paint brush out tomorrow! Provided both are still in flower tomorrow
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Dirk
Gorgeous cross - what was the pollen parent?
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Dirk lovely hybrid. It seems similar in colour to the hybrid between scardicus and pelistericus which is also very striking
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I've never been keen on the C.scardicus x pelistericus colour... bit sickly for my liking but either I'm mellowing in my old age ( Check out the "Test Your Skill" page.... you'll see I am NOT!) or the colour of this Cr.veluchensis x cvijicii from Dirk IS a much nicer mixture ! I like it, good shape too.
Only Crocus visible outside here is still C. sieberi atticus! Flowers are a good size on some but no chance of opening yet... no sun :(
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Thanks all for the lovely pictures.
What a delight to see all these crocus pictures - a trailer for what I will see when I get home.
All there is here in a hot Singapore airport are thousands of orchids.
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Well, i hope you are photographing those orchids so I can see them! 8)
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I would like to see the orchids
I have both parents of that beauty in bloom just now
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Mark, do you mean C. veluchensis and cvijicii ? So, have you tickled them, as you pormised yesterday?!!
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Thanks for the compliments,
the mother from this cross is Cr.veluchensis from Rila, Bulgaria
Cr.cvijicii is the father
here one of the first Cr.biflorus
Cr.biflorus ssp.crewei
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I tickled mine today both ways and also with sieberi so will wait and see for the results. I am hopeful that my first pot of pelistericus x scardicus will flower this year.I agree it is not the most beautiful but it was something to do on a cold afternoon a few years ago.
Two very different coloured sieberi in flower today. The first pale one is the one which has been tickled
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Today was a stunning day- no heat in the car, no coat on and only a summer jumper. Did I get home early? Not a chance. I did sneak home at lunch time for about 5 minutes snowdrops and Crocus wide open then my mother dropped me in it at work. My brother phoned home looking for something and my mother blurted out "Mark's here so he can bring it to you" That was my visit cut very short. I'm going out now to bring both Crocus parents inside to get them in the mood. I did have time to get some galanthus photos
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Here are a couple from the garden today
tommie roseus
minimus
unknown in a trough - species unknown
and a crocus that may be an albino - species unknown
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Mark - both the unknowns look like C tommasinianus to me. I have a white form with slight purple flecking and creamy outers.
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OK thanks. I would never have put a tommie in a trough. My guess is the purple one was put there by the kids who visit the garden. I know for sure the mix in the trough with the pale Crocus was partly recycled compost
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The cross was done last night and the 3 year wait
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Dirk,
That crewei is just glorious!! Fantastic combination of colours in that, and if memory serves me it has dark outer petals doesn't it? I'm only rmember from previous pics here, becuase I've never seen it before the SRGC forums. Great Stuff!! 8)
(and after posting and looking again at the pic I can see the outer markings showing through the petals.)
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Andrew, I agree with Armin that your Cr. vernus ssp. heuffelinianus is a [common] tommasinianus
Otto.
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More on C. angustifolius masquerading as C.cvijicii. The new website of DixExport (www.dixexport.com/webshop/c/crocus/19/19656/669?&pager_1ID=5) lists C. cvijicii. The accompanying photo is of C. angustifolius.
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Aha - now the picture becomes clearer!
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YEEEEESSSSS - finally the sun is shining in Neustadt :D :D :D
Some of these flowers were out for two weeks or more,
but never opened due to lack of warming sunshine!
My lawn is still very green, but the warm spots
near the house became very colourful today.
The yellow crocus is C. flavus ssp flavus,
next is C. sieberi ssp sieberi - note the chewed one in the background
and the first tommasinianus Bobbo - a big thank you to Anne W.
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So the show is finally on the road Thomas ! 8)
A great prospect to see your lawn turn from green into a rainbow :D
... much to the dispair of the little soccer player in the background of the first pic... ;D
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forget the chewed flower, look at the one in front and on the right!
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Yes, of course I've seen it! I will have to walk outside
this evening and take good care of that one before this
caterpillar hits again!
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I have another mistake with my Crocus. C. analyensis is C. sieberi 'Tricolor'
I must start taking detailed notes to include my bulb sources so I can complain
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That would be Crocus antalyensis which has turned out to be C. sieberi Tricolor, Mark 8)
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thanks for the correction. I simply wrote what I had written on the label. 100 lines ...
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YEEEEESSSSS - finally the sun is shining in Neustadt :D :D :D
I'm glad it was shining on some one,grey, misty and drizzle here all day. A lovely show Thomas.
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We had another warm day today with a very nice 15C
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You should be so lucky ;D
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We honestly did have. Again no heat in the van at work and no coat on
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YEEEEESSSSS - finally the sun is shining in Neustadt :D :D :D
Is Chris hiding the football behind his back, or have you hidden it for him? ;)
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Tony,
Actually, I was thinking of commenting that the garden gnome Thomas had on his lawn in the first picture was very large and lifelike. Probably safer than a Chris with a football too!! ;D
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YYYEEEESSSSSS - to take up the theme! Here the sun has shone on a day when I was at home. So now I have some pictures to share of happy crocuses :) Just a few tonight before I drop.
Crocus aerius fully open
Crocus angustifolius with extra petals - did anyone else get any like this?
Crocus biflorus ssp biflorus
Crocus biflorus ssp nubigena
Crocus chrysanthus - form with bronze stippled outer petals
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Tony,
What wonderful striping in that aerius. Is that standard for that species? I think you've posted pics of it before with the striping haven't you? And of course the nubigena is lovely!! The other ain't bad either!! ;D
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Great plants, Tony - as always! No, Chris doesn't hide a ball and I don't have to hide it, too! He's very careful with my babies this year, as he (and Celine, too) has his own bed with his own flowers now! Each morning both go outside to have a look what was coming out new.
Another sunshine morning here today - will make some photos later. But we will not reach Mark's Irish temperatures - only 6°C are forecasted. Where did you buy your an(t)alyensis?
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Wonderful pix Tony - all real beauties, but the biflorus' are the ones
I like best in this series - great colour contrasts :o !
Thomas, you're one hell of a dad ! Great strategy to turn possible threats for your garden into future SRGC members ;D
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Thanks All - more pics later. Another sunny and warm day forecast. I'm meeting the local Council Horticultural Officer today to map and discuss care of the great population of crocuses in the City Cemetery. Hopefully post few pics from there tonight.
Thomas - you are clearly inspiring your children well - my two are more interested in digging holes than growing plants.
The antalyensis you refer to is Marks, not mine. I would guess it came from Miniature Bulbs who are now learning how to better identify their crocuses ;)
Paul - You remember well. This aerius is (I think) the true plant. Good blue biflorus (ssp pulchricor) are often offered under this name. The error goes back into the mists of time (not a recent nursery error) but Mathew writes that C aerius is distinguished from it by having parallel fibres at the base of the corm tunic, conspicuously veined flowers and generally wider leaves (plus a few other features). My plant conforms to this description. Its did set a few seeds last year so I hope to have more than 1 corm soon :)
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Tony,
One corm is always a recipe for paranoia isn't it? ;D Good luck with having more of those wonderful little aerius in future years!! 8)
I always get nervous with only one of something, yet usually can only afford to order a single item of anything when I buy....of course if I specialised in one or two genera instead of loving 20 different ones or more it wouldn't be quite so expensive when the special catalogues come in. I'm jealous of those who can buy multiples at a time, but as I said, it is my fault entirely for collecting FAR too much!! ::)
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What a beautiful day 8)
Some more plants from my garden:
- Crocus biflorus ssp nubigena - white coloured
- Crocus biflorus ssp nubigena - blue coloured (I love them both)
- a good and vigorous form of Crocus antalyensis
- C. angustifolius "Berlin Gold", a pure yellow selection without any stripes
- C. sieheanus
- C. sieberi ssp sieberi - same clump as yesterday, but with the dark edged beauty open
- Some C. versicolor forms - the first one looks somewhat similar to the tradeform "Picturatus" but its stripes are much finer and in my opinion much better!
- mixed bed in my garden
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Thomas - you are clearly inspiring your children well - my two are more interested in digging holes than growing plants.
Tony, just to show you, how easy children can be inspired, the two beds of Chris and Celine. Built by themselves without Daddy's help!
Last photo seems somewhat out of subject in the Crocus thread, but it makes me worry, that Chris is already infected by the white fever. These two snowdrops were found by him in a local gardencenter.
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very nice plants Thomas, here are some of mine from today When I first looked in the greenhouse I thought the hybrid was actually a biflorus alexandri but it is biflorus pulchricolor crossed with chrysanthus and is a natural hybrid from seed collected on ulu dag
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Lots of beauties there Thomas ! :o
The dark edged siberie is absolutely breathtaking - the antalyensis is heavenly (blue)... ;D
Great that you have some sun there to expose all these little treasures.
By the way, I find a lot of my clumps of Crocus' are producing less flowers than last year (we've already had the discussion on the early heat and the wet summer), are you (and other forumist of course) experiencing the same phenomenon ??
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Yes, Luc - never seen so few flowers like this year :'(
Great photos, Tony. Thanks especially for the Mte. Amiata etruscus!!
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Thomas I had it sat on top of the boiler to get it to open for you. No sun here.
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It didn't suffer from that treatment Tony, it's a real beauty ;D
Thanks for the trouble.
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Seeing all these beautiful Crocus, I ask myself if I should make more pictures of Crocus next week. :-\ :-\
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Seeing all these beautiful Crocus, I ask myself if I should make more pictures of Crocus next week. :-\ :-\
Does that really need an answer Luit :) :D ;D ??
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Both TonyG & Tony Willis and Thomas
Superb photographs. Tony W and I have been to a lot of the same places and the Crocus from Bolu and Ulu Dag brought back happy memories.
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What a beautiful day 8)
Some more plants from my garden:
- Crocus biflorus ssp nubigena - white coloured
- Crocus biflorus ssp nubigena - blue coloured (I love them both)
- a good and vigorous form of Crocus antalyensis
- C. angustifolius "Berlin Gold", a pure yellow selection without any stripes
- C. sieheanus
- C. sieberi ssp sieberi - same clump as yesterday, but with the dark edged beauty open
- Some C. versicolor forms - the first one looks somewhat similar to the tradeform "Picturatus" but its stripes are much finer and in my opinion much better!
- mixed bed in my garden
Thomas,
beautiful series. Impressive the different color variation of C.versicolor.
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very nice plants Thomas, here are some of mine from today When I first looked in the greenhouse I thought the hybrid was actually a biflorus alexandri but it is biflorus pulchricolor crossed with chrysanthus and is a natural hybrid from seed collected on ulu dag
Tony W.,
very interesting the C.etruscus form you have which is so different on the outer pedal markings compared to the common "Zwanenburg" clone.
Also C.chrysanthus around from lake Beysehir with the dark stem and the rounded pedals is very lovely.
Finally, the natural hybrid from Ulu Dag looks similar to the commercial clone C. chrysanthus Blue Pearl.
Does it have a yellow center too?
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Here's a funny one. I have a patch of very odd little yellowish-white tommies in the garden, and amongst them appeared one even stranger one. It really stood out this year because the small yellow-whites aren't flowering well after dying down early in last year's hot, dry Spring weather.
The main patch is quite odd - very small yellow-white tommasinianus flowers which don't open up wide, with bright orange stigmas sticking out. I'll try to get a photo of them if they flower next year.
But in the meantime, here's a pic of the strange speckled one (I have one or two others with some speckling on the outside that have seeded further from the clump, but this is the best. It must be a seedling:
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I meant to say, it doesn't seem virused and is quite healthy.
Here are a couple of flowers, not looking very good, of the yellowish-whites:
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Martin,
thats really a strange tommy! If it is healthy then it is just great!
But due to many discussions in the forum I'm getting a bit uncertain whenever I see a speckled one if it is virused or not. :-\
Virus are so small...
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Martin, maybe you can call it "Freckles"
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I'll try to lift it tomorrow and bring it in to make it open up more, so I can get some better photos and so you can see the leaves. I don't think it's virused.
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Armin I collected the etruscus about 20 years ago in Italy and they are the same corms from then.Yes they are different.
I will look at the hybrid tomorrow and report on its centre
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Here are some more from the first of my sunny days.
2 forms of Crocus cyprius - quite different. Both differ from my other forms. Hopefully with several clones now in the collection I can improve seed set which has been sparse from my original clone.
Crocus dalmaticus - Collection with a Mathew collection number.
Crocus pestalozzae - var caeruleus. This species has the smallest seeds of any crocus but is not difficult to raise.
Crocus versicolor - unstriped clone
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Thomas,
Taht Siberi ssp sieber with the dark edging is amazing. Does it always flower like this? Would be worth isolating and building up into its own clump.... a bunch of that in flower together would be breathtaking!!
Tony,
Wonderfully open pics. Obviously you're getting some nice sunshine there at the moment!! ;D
Currently 11'C overnight here, and only aiming for 19'C. Positively cold compared to normal for the last month, and icey for the height of summer in February!! ::) ;D
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Tony G.,
beautiful! C.dalmaticus & pestalozzae look so nobly.
Your form of C.versicolor is so evenly striped - great.
You mention this C. cyprius is quite different. Does it have no blue outer markings?
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The differences in the Crocus cyprius are only subtle. The one with the more rounded petals is paler and has a less prominent dark marking on the lower part of the petals.
Here are some different Crocus sieberi.
The first shot is Crocus sieberi ssp atticus (left) and Crocus sieberi ssp sublimis (right).
The rest are all forms of Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi.
The final two shots are very similar to the plant that Mark has shown us called 'Ronald Ginns'
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Tony,
thanks for your explanation.
Your C. sieberi forms are suberb!
It is a real pleasure to see them.
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Another sunny day and I have been able to make a better record of the crocuses at Earlham Cemetery. This has been the main city cemetery for Norwich for about 150 years. Some of these crocuses may have been planted around 100 years ago. The crocus vernus have seeded and hybridised to give agreat range of subtly different forms. Here is a selection.
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And then there are the Crocus tommasinianus. Not as much variation but watch out for a couple of nice hybrids at the end.
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How cool is that!! Certainly beautifies the cemetery at the end of winter then doesn't it!!? The sheer numbers are just phenomenal!!!! I wonder how many new and interesting forms there are in amongst them by now? Great that you're trying to catalogue them a little and share them with us. Thanks!! 8)
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Tony,
what a treasury :o
The last ones (vernus) with pink stripes - resembles a bit like Picturatus.
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Tony,
You were spoilt for choice. Particularly like the last vernus.
The only time I have seen something similar was in the Pelops at Lambakambos in 2000, where an old man had a large garden of goulimyi in all shades. The patch was regularly fertilised by his chickens who had free run of the garden. We did not have enogh Greek to ask if we might collect a few of the very different colours. Sadly when I returned in 2005, the garden was no more - probably the old man had died.
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Lovely pictures, as usual, over the last couple of days folks.
Here is my Crocus angustifolius masquarading as C. cvijicii in the bulb bed and also some of what I hope IS C. angustifolius Bronze Form bought from the same source.
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Tony W.,
very interesting the C.etruscus form you have which is so different on the outer pedal markings compared to the common "Zwanenburg" clone.
Also C.chrysanthus around from lake Beysehir with the dark stem and the rounded pedals is very lovely.
Finally, the natural hybrid from Ulu Dag looks similar to the commercial clone C. chrysanthus Blue Pearl.
Does it have a yellow center too?
I have looked at the hybrid and another one from Ulu Dag and they all have yellow throats
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After all these fields of fabulous crocuses I'm sort of put off posting my single Crocus pelistericus flowering in todays sunshine.
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Aaah ... but in Crocus pelistericus you have a plant that I have never flowered - yet :)
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Tony, you have made my day. :)
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Anthony, a word of thanks for your messages on Trillium-L pointing out that SRGC website and Forum access is open to all... and for the Dunblane Day plug!
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Anthony,
a wonderful coloration 8)
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After all these fields of fabulous crocuses I'm sort of put off posting my single Crocus pelistericus flowering in todays sunshine.
Anthony, at least you don't have problem of choice! Beautiful Crocus!
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Stunning Anthony!! I've been lusting after pelistericus for a while now but never found anyone selling it. Anyone know of a trade source? Or was it from seed? In which case I must start taking part in SRGC and AGS seed exchanges again (stopped ages ago when the snowdrop seed raising took over all my frame space).
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This was from seed Martin. I should have some more in another pot but no sign of it yet.? Here's Crocus gargaricus herberti flowering in a trough.
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Anthony, a word of thanks for your messages on Trillium-L pointing out that SRGC website and Forum access is open to all... and for the Dunblane Day plug!
No need for thanks Maggi. I am proud to be a member and would shout it from the roof tops. BTW her indoors is not speaking to me now because of my rant about the cylcamen. ???
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BTW her indoors is not speaking to me now because of my rant about the cylcamen.
Why? You didn't go next door and brain the little twerp, did you?
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Anthony a beautiful pelistericus, you are way ahead of me. Its been the only day of sunshine here for weeks and whats left of the crocus have finally opened.I am of to France for a couple of days and may be able to join you and post one of pelistericus when I get back.
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Here are some more pics of my odd freckly-flowered tommasinianus open wider in the warmth today. You can also see the other smaller strange yellowish-white ones. Usually there are lots of these little ones flowering in a large clump. They're very reluctant to open except in very warm weather, so often stay rolled up with their bright orange stigmas sticking out the top.
When open, they still tend to have their outers rolled and only their inners wid open. I think the freckly one, which is much bigger, is a seedling as it seems to be retaining this character to some extent.
All the leaves look healthy and virus-free. The yellow-white ones have always shown some light purple stippling on the outsides, and I have seedlings popping up around with similar creamy-white flowers and purple stippling.
Might be worth crossing this with some other light-toned toms to see if it's inheritable.
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Or maybe it is virus.
Rather more lovely, a nice pale form of tommasinianus open wide in the garden today. I'll post some more pics of the toms tomorrow. They're all seedlings from toms given to my parents donkeys years ago by Oliver Wyatt.
I'd post picks of my heuffelianus seedling forms but for some reason I can't get them to photograph nearly as well as the toms, which are really photogenic.
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Difficulty is that with crocus there are so many which have assorted stippling which can, in some lights, look exactly like the colouring we tend to get so nervous about in Iris. ??? I can think of masses of perfectly heralthy crocus whose markings, were they to be found in an Iris, would have most of us slashing and burning like maniacs. Very tricky question, that's for sure. :-\
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Anthony
How long from seed to flowering? It is a wonderful flower and beats a lot that I saw in Greece last year - mind you they were growing in a bog through sedge and enjoying temperatures of 33C.
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Anthony a beautiful pelistericus, you are way ahead of me. Its been the only day of sunshine here for weeks and whats left of the crocus have finally opened.I am of to France for a couple of days and may be able to join you and post one of pelistericus when I get back.
Mine is in a pot outside, so I have no idea why it is earlier than yours.
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Anthony
How long from seed to flowering? It is a wonderful flower and beats a lot that I saw in Greece last year - mind you they were growing in a bog through sedge and enjoying temperatures of 33C.
Three years for first flower, but this is its third season with a flower.
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Great show everyone ! 8)
Here's one more from me
Crocus corsicus flowering in a trough - one taken early this morning - the second at noon enjoying full sunshine !
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A nice one Luc.
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Luc,
beautiful C. corsicus.
Had ordered them last summer the first time.
I'm excited when mine will come into flower.
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Here are some more pics of my odd freckly-flowered tommasinianus open wider in the warmth today. You can also see the other smaller strange yellowish-white ones. Usually there are lots of these little ones flowering in a large clump. They're very reluctant to open except in very warm weather, so often stay rolled up with their bright orange stigmas sticking out the top.
When open, they still tend to have their outers rolled and only their inners wid open. I think the freckly one, which is much bigger, is a seedling as it seems to be retaining this character to some extent.
All the leaves look healthy and virus-free. The yellow-white ones have always shown some light purple stippling on the outsides, and I have seedlings popping up around with similar creamy-white flowers and purple stippling.
Might be worth crossing this with some other light-toned toms to see if it's inheritable.
Martin,
I can't judge if they are virused or not. The leaves look indeed normal.
Both tommy forms look different - therfore desirable for the enthusiasts.
Good look for cross pollination!
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Here my pixs of today...
We had frost in the last 3 nights. Yesterday and today blue sky with sunshine.
My crocus flower while the soil is frozen 4-5cm down...
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more...
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Sorry to continue boring everyone with my speckly tommasinianus, but I got a couple of better pics today that I think show its character better than my previous snaps.
The more I examine it the more I'm sure it's not virus but a natural colouring. All the seedlings around it exhibit varying (much reduced) degrees of speckling. Also, all the foliage looks healthy as can be.
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None of my other toms have any signs of virus either. They're all seedlings, not named clones. And the last one is of course heufellianus, not a tom.
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Martin,
lovely pixs. You must have had a super sunny day that the crocus opened so wide.
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Fantastic sunshine all day, Armin. And 14 deg. C. More sunshine tomorrow, too. :D
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Armin and Martin, it seems you are having the same sunny weather on your Crocuses.
They are beautiful.
The only difference is that you in a smaller garden can wait for a moment without wind.
I'm a bit jealous because on the field where I take the pictures is always wind! :( :(
Those seedlings are stunning Martin!
Armin, some of yours I saw today on the field, like C. chrys. Fuscotinctus and such a bunch in the grass is much more beautiful!
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Nice tomms Martin - I like the claret forms, I have not seen any other crocus with as much red in the flower. I have a few like that - so far they have not bred true :(
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Only one patch worthy of posting
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Great pix everyone !
Love your chrysantus' Armin - what a nice collection of good clumps !
Like all Martin's different Tommy's as well - very grateful flowerers aren't they ?
Crocus' + sunshine what else does one need ??? :D
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Yet more on C. cvijicii/C. angustifolius. I emailed DixExport to tell them about the incorrect description & photo of C.cvijicii in their wholesale list. This is their reply:
"Thank you for your e-mail of 7th February and for making us aware of the wrong picture and description of Crocus cvijicii. We shall delete Crocus cvijicii from our price-list until we have found better stocks."
It's nice to know that there are still responsible companies around
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Crocus' + sunshine what else does one need
I agree ! When can I get those, please?? ???
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I'm afraid there's no mailorder catalogue for these Maggi ... ::)
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Despite the frosty nights there are still more and more Crocus coming up
in the warm sunshine of our days (6-8°). Here some overview photos, first
one from my lawn today:
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And now some special cultivars (most no longer available in trade) and species:
- biflorus ssp alexandrii "Major"
- chrysanthus "Canary Bird" - to me looks like the cultivar "Goldilocks"
- chrysanthus "Goldene Sonne" - an old Dutch cultivar with a German name
- "Goldene Sonne" with some extra petals
- chrysanthus "Spring Pearl" - first year in my garden, but looks like this will
become one of my favourites :o
- chrysanthus "White Beauty" - often bought but never the true one, this is a swap from a
Dutch friend who has a good collection of cultivars
- a new cultivar called "Willem van Eeden". I don't know anything about it, just that it wasn't
registered until 1996.
- Crocus cyprius. Out since December but never opened until last week.
- C. reticulatus x angustifolius "Alionka". A good and vigorous hybrid selected by Leonid
Bondarenko
- and again ..... :P Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi
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Thomas
What soil mixture do you have in your rock garden. Having been inspired by your wonderful results I have an area in my garden that I could convert. My soil is acid.
I also bought Crocus reticulatus 'Alionka' from Leonid Bondarenko, and will plant it out for next year.
Here are some of my crocus grown in the bulb house for their first year :
Crocus angustifolius 'Minor'
Crocus reticulatus 'Alionka'
Crocus reticulatus 'Ego'
Crocus reticulatus 'Janis Ruksans'
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Arthur I have ph 6,5. Before I planted the corms I have mixed
the soil with lots of sand! The result looks better than in my
first rockgarden, where I also added pumice-grit.
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Art - no pix visible here ??? ???
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Luc
There are now - I modified my reply
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Thomas
Did you use sand because it was cheaper than grit, or was this your plan?
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Yes, sand is much cheaper here in my part of Germany!
Look at Luit's photos of the Dutch crocus fields. They
look like pure sand and grow very well!
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I forgot, that I put a layer of 1-2cm compost on top in autumn!
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Thomas, I'm just back from the field and saw under about 15 flowers one with extra petals.
Maybe it's worth it to separate this one?
Or is this different in other years?
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Thomas, so I may understand: do you mean you put a layer of compost on your lawn in autmn? Or do you take the stones off the rock garden and put a layer of compost then put the stones back? surely you cannot put a layer of compost over the stone beds, the stones will not come through again so fast?
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Thanks Art ! Very nice.
They were worth waiting for ;)
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Luit, there's only one chrysanthus forming permanent extra petals: Goldmine!
I don't think my or the one of our friend will show the same feature next year.
If it does, it is well worth separating!!!
Sorry Maggi - I have to say, that I have two rockgardens now. The one with
the stones doesn't get a layer of compost each year as this is too much work
and I'm too lazy to do that. The second one hasn't got a stone/grit cover and
this one gets the extra compost on its sandy soil in autumn.
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Luit, there's only one chrysanthus forming permanent extra petals: Goldmine!
I don't think my or the one of our friend will show the same feature next year.
If it does, it is well worth separating!!!
Thank you Thomas, I'll make a note about this.
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Thomas
Sand is also cheaper here.
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Armin and Martin, it seems you are having the same sunny weather on your Crocuses.
They are beautiful.
The only difference is that you in a smaller garden can wait for a moment without wind.
I'm a bit jealous because on the field where I take the pictures is always wind! :( :(
Those seedlings are stunning Martin!
Armin, some of yours I saw today on the field, like C. chrys. Fuscotinctus and such a bunch in the grass is much more beautiful!
Luit,
many of my crocus are cheap commercial clones and are not the last trend. Those who increase over the years in my lawn are a great pleasure to me.
I woudn't be personal very unhappy if I hunt for/purchase rare species which I can't please and lose afterwards. just to satisfy my collection passion.
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And now some special cultivars (most no longer available in trade) and species:
- biflorus ssp alexandrii "Major"
- chrysanthus "Spring Pearl" - first year in my garden, but looks like this will
become one of my favourites :o
Thomas,
I agree chrysanthus "Spring Pearl" is very delightful and desireable ::)
Who sold/still sells this cultivar?
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Here is "Snowbunting" (recently mentioned in another thread). It is in full flower now, though the first flowers opened during a sunny spell 3+ weeks ago. Given that it has survived my usual neglect, I'd say it is a good plant for a beginner like myself!
Ed
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great shots everyone
Tony is Spring Pearl available in the trade?
When I got home from work the Crocus in my glass house were all wide open. It's great now because once again the sun shines inside in the late afternoons
These arent tommies but came in a garden centre packet as tommies
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I'm hoping this is a pure white tommie. To the eye it's white but now that I have edited the photo I see a very small hint of cream on the outers
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I took the white tommie photos at work and could have cried when I got back from a doing some deliveries. Someone or something had destroyed the flower. I needed a photo of the flower wide open and had left it outside in the sun.
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The garden is full of C.tomassinianus which have produced a great variety of hybrids of different colours of inner and outer petals. The ones in the alpine house are less prolific and floriferous due to unintentional neglect but here are 3 anyway. I'm sure you will let me know if they are wrongly named.
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John it's February now ::) I do know minimus is correct
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So it is!!!!! I just clicked on the link new replies to my posts and never looked to check the date :-[
I have moved JoF's posts to the correct month!M
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Here are some pics from the crocuses planted in roadside verges in Norwich. There are several massive plantings which have been made in the last 10 or so years. Mostly small biflorus/chrysanthus cultivars there are now some interesting hybrids appearing. The first few shots are to give a flavour of the originals then there are some of the intermediates. I've saved the best for last .... but this is only my opinion of course!
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Tony are you allowed to lift special colours?
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I have had official permission - but not in writing :-\ Now I have to
a) find the time
b) pluck up courage ... so far taking photos I've had mild abuse and offers of help to find the lost whateveritis!
c) make space for and care for them.
Right now I'm thinking they might be better off where they are for now ;)
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what's your opininion on the white tommie. I think it's either ex Janis or John Foster
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To my eye the flower shape in side view is more vernus than tommasinianus. I have something which came with the name 'Good white tommasinianus' but I think it is white vernus or possibly a hybrid. Nice to look at whatever it is - or was in the case of your bashed flower.
While on the subject of disasters, I would say this is my worst season for crocus ever. Fewer flowers due to early dormancy, more pests (cutworms, slugs, aphids) and then there is virus and damping off diseases. I have had losses like those recently described in the Crocus michelsonii thread, again more than ususal. I think perhaps I should go back to growing sweet peas and petunias :(
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Thanks for the input. I've had flower stems rotting this year also and botrytis attacking flower buds before they open
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Tony is there an MBE in the offing for services to Norwich tourism, or is there a good job going in the Marketing Det at Norwich CC? ;D
Lovely to see them.
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Thanks for the reminder of how lucky we are in this area Tony. The planting in Norwich is super and I also love all the Chionodoxa on the University approach road.
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Thomas,
I agree chrysanthus "Spring Pearl" is very delightful and desireable ::)
Who sold/still sells this cultivar?
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Armin - I don't know who sells them, I have mine from friends in Holland.
But there should be a few spares for you in summer ;)
Tony, wonderful hybrids - take good care of them if they are replanted in your garden!
And if you don't find space, send them to Germany 8)
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Here's a wee peek in the glass house this afternoon
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And I thought you only grew Snowdrops.
Mark what are the Crocus in the right hand column, first 2 pots.
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Lovely display Mark. here's Crocus sieberi.
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Anthony is that a sea slug in the middle ::)
Art the lower one is C. dalmaticus and behind it is sieberi 'Ronald Ginns'. I have a large varied collection including Colchicums, Tulips and Narcissus
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Actually it's an anemone, as the muppets would say, and if you look closely you can find Nemo. ::)
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I finally managed to get a half-decent photo of my best C. heufellianus seedling today. I find the heufellianus much more difficult to photograph true to colour than the tomms. They come in shades of purple-blue, which my camera always reproduces as paler and more washed-out than in reality, whereas the tomms in my garden are mostly reds and pinks, which reproduce better in sunlight than purple-blues. I have the same problem with my masses of C. nudiflorus in the autumn. I have lots grown from seed, but they always look much darker and richer in reality than they do in the photos, where they look pale and washed out.
Anyway, this seedling is my favourite, not because if its rich interior colour but for its strong outside markings.
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A few tommies out today.
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Someone please tell me if I've been spelling heufellianus wrong. It's late and I'm too tired to look it up in Brian Mathew's book even though I can see it on the bookshelf. Lazy! But I need sleep.
that's how we spell it! But I see it is missing an "f" and has an extra "l" !! :o :-[ M
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Things keep getting better and showier around here !
Great view Mark - a glasshouse at it's peak ! :o
I agree with you Martin, these heufelianus' are a fascinating species - I need to get hold of some more myself ::)
C. sieberi never lets you down now does it Anthony - great looking specimen you've got there.
Your tommies look very happy indeed Ian - mine do lots worse than this... clumps the size of yours only produced 2 - 3 flowers this season... :'(
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Luc I think it was the summer my clumps were also better last year. Now next year ................. :o
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Martin, you have a wonderful range of seedlings in your garden!
The speckled tommies and the heuffelianus are just great!
PS: Please note the spelling of "heuffelianus"!!
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Thank you,
Thoams Thomas :-*... heuffelianus... heuffelianus 8)
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Please note the spelling of "heuffelianus"!!
Thanks, Thomas. I realised later that all I needed to do was check it in Janis Ruksan's catalogue. I looked it up this morning in Brian Mathew's monograph and he had both heuffelianus and scepusiensis as just large-flowered variants of vernus.
The sun is shining and the crosus open so I must go out and continue with one of my occasional hobbies - crossing the tomms and the heuffelianus to see if I can get some nice hybrids.
Oh, and change all my labels that say "nice C. heufellianus seedling" !
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Please note the spelling of "heuffelianus"!!
Thanks, Thomas. I realised later that all I needed to do was check it in Janis Ruksan's catalogue. I looked it up this morning in Brian Mathew's monograph and he had both heuffelianus and scepusiensis as just large-flowered variants of vernus.
The sun is shining and the crosus open so I must go out and continue with one of my occasional hobbies - crossing the tomms and the heuffelianus to see if I can get some nice hybrids.
Oh, and change all my labels that say "nice C. heufellianus seedling" !
I don't think the croci will mind, unless you theenk they weel go in the heuff?
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Lovely pix from everybody.
Thomas,thanks ;)
Tony, it is sad to hear your crocus collection is suffering.
Wish you a lot of skills for a successful remedy.
Great pix from Norwich roadside.
Mark,for me your poor white tommie looks like overstressed by spring sunshine...anyway it was a beautiful flower. Would water and feed potash for recovery...
Martin, wow - a super heuffelianus.
Anthony, would be pleased to have one like your C.sieberi in my garden.
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Here are a few in bloom today.
1 Crocus abantensis
2 " Medius
3 " Vernus
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Lovely pictures Michael and everyone else, boy are they coming thick and fast at the moment.
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Here are a few in bloom today.
1 Crocus abantensis
2 " Medius
3 " Vernus
C. medius flowers in autumn.
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Michael good to see you are posting more photos. Your C. medius could be a C. tomassinianus
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Sorry it is C. tomassinianus albus, two labels in the one pot and I was in a hurry.
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Thank you at all crocophiles who posted so wonderful pics with so ones we would have in our gardens all !
The first is a bulb sold as Crocus biflorus ssp tauri. I suppose an other error, tauri is more dark I think
After Crocus chrysanthus Warley and kosaninii
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I was very lucky to be home today at 2pm and yet another warm day - 13c.
Some I showed last year but I'll show 'em again for all the new converts.
angustifolius
biflorus - I think they are wrong
chrysanthus 'Goldmine' - some gold mine! How stable is it?
korolkowii white form
kosaninii
minimus
pestalozzae
reticulata reticulata
sieberi tricolor
vernus ex Croatia
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one last one - my eyes are killing me with this editing!
vernus ex former Yugoslavia
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Gorgeous photos, Mark... great to see the flowers enjoying the sunny day. That C. korolkowii white form is super, where did you get it?
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The man I just slagged off ::) but this is the second time trying to get it. Last year's was palest yellow
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oops! Tee Hee!
Rather like it, may have a go to see what I get!
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Here are the two korolkowii - supplied '06 and '07
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Gorgeous photos, Mark... great to see the flowers enjoying the sunny day. That C. korolkowii white form is super, where did you get it?
Mark I studied your first series several time. What did Maggi see what I cannot see?
But the pictures are very beautiful!
Good that you showed the white korolkowii afterwards, now I see them too ;D ;D ;D
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Maggi must have ordered one also
no, she didn't ;but she might, now!! m
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Mark, that white korolkowii is a real beauty!!
Dominique - you're right, that white one isn't biflorus ssp tauri. Seems like
you've ordered from the same stock like I did - I have the same plants >:(
But this time the culprit is from Germany :-\
Also your chrysanthus Warley isn't true, see the photo of Luit van Delft
on the field of his friend. Yours looks like biflorus ssp weldenii "Fairy".
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I bought corms labelled as korolkowii, but they weren't. :'( Yours are very nice Mark and perhaps when my bout of White Fever* subsides I'll get round to ordering some? (*I tried the cure - huge tablets called 'Preparation G' - but for all the good they did me I'd have been just as well sticking them up my bum!!! ::))
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Here are a few in bloom today. Hope the ID are correct.
Crocus baytopiorum
Crocus abantensis
Crocus biflorus-ssp. crewii
Crocus fleischeri
Crocus sieberi Hubert-Edelsten
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Another day with real beauties! 8)
Great images from all.
I'm currently abroad from home. I'm anxious to see which speci will be in flower in my lawn on Saturday... :P
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Thank you Franz !
Superb series ! All favourites of mine ! :o
Do they all grow outdoors ???
I've always heard C. baytopiorum was a difficult one in the open ? ???
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Luc, all grow in my meadow outdoor. They survived -6° C.
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view pictures from the last days:
Cr.biflorus ssp.isauricus
biflorus ssp. ??? Belpinar, Turkey
x bornmuelleri
aerius
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That's a very rich yellow!
Paul Christian's web site shows a korolkowii labelled Apricot which must be what he supplied to me as the white form
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Crocus bed today.
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Michael is your bed only for crocus??
Here some of mine:
- chrysanthus "Eyecatcher" - long wanted by me, finally last year I found a Dutch grower who could help me :D :D
all the plants I have bought in the years before turned out to be wrong >:(
- chrysanthus "Herald", I had a good stock of this plant but lost most of them last year, this is the rest :-[
have ordered some from Holland last year, but these are still not flowering - hope they will be true :-\
- chrysanthus "Warley", a small stock built from a single corm found in 2004
- a dark form of C. versicolor. I will separate this beauty and try to increase it in the next years.
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Luc, all grow in my meadow outdoor. They survived -6° C.
Franz,
I never tried Crocus baytopiorum outside. I gave this species away because within a greenhouse it remembers a creeper at flowering time.
In your meadow it looks much better.
Gerd
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Michael is your bed only for crocus??
There are a few dwarf Tulips but mostly crocus, I made it especially for the crocus with the contents of last years compost bin mixed with lots of grit. It is two railway sleepers high so well drained because of our high rainfall.
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more flowers,
Crocus sieberi ssp.sublimis, several seedlings
leichtlinii
carpetanus
fleischeri
paschei
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Dirk, how nice to see some of the less common species. I look forward to your autumn flowering collection!
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A fantastic collection, everyone. C. fleischeri is a favourite of mine because of its scent. Here are a couple of mine. C. 'George' and C tommasinianus 'Roseus'
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Breathtaking pictures everyone is there any wonder how easy it is to become besotted by Crocuses!
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Anne could your tommie be Lilac Beauty?
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Anne - tell us more about gorgeous George. He is obviously a relation of Hubert but what are his origins?
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Brilliant displays everyone ! :o :o
Great show !
Keep'm coming ;D
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George came from Ruksans, can't tell you more than that, I'm afraid. Mark, the pink tommies came from Kath Dryden. Maybe Thomas can help out?
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Whilst some were sitting comfortably in Dunblane today, other were still working at the coal face taking pictures in the sunshine for the Forum.
C. tommasinianus roseus
and a close up
chrysanthus Goldilocks
chrysanthus Romance
The strongly marked C. angustifolius Bronze Form
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In the greenhouse the sun persuaded a few more to open. After the photo session I got the paint brush out.
C. biflorus weldenii is lightly marked
I trust that this is a well marked C. antalyensis and not Tricolour?
the outer petals of C. imperati De Jagers look good even when shut.
C. vitellinus
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David
Anatalyensis? sieberi 'Tricolor' I think
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David
How long did it take to build up the wonderful clumps of 'Goldilocks' and ' Romance' ?
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Thanks Arthur.
Goldilocks have only been there a couple of years (tight planting), and Romance three of four years.
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David, how nice to see your wonderful clumps of 'Goldilocks' and ' Romance'.
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Desperately waiting for these to open, but until they do, I enjoy the wonderful outer feathering
C reticulata x angustifolia "Nida"
C retic x angust "Janis Ruksans"
C reticulatus reticulatus
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In reply 267 to the January crocus thread, Tony W showed a Crocus sieberi.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1121.255
Tony G. in reply 270 queried hybrids...
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1121.270
I am wondering if this might be a hybrid with veluchensis as it is a very deep colour - or is the species that variable.
I show one of my crocus for clarification/identification.
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David did your sieberi tricolor come from Miniature Bulbs?
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I took the pot out into the garden today and placed it alongside some Tricolor already growing there. Yes it is sieberi tricolor and, yes, it was from Miniature Bulbs.
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a new cross for this spring,
Crocus sieberi ssp.sublimis x gargaricus ssp.gargaricus
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Dirk, I hadn't even realised that sieberi and gargaricus were in the same series and likely to cross, but of course they are. Very subtle colouring. I like it.
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Exquisite
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Very nice Dirk !
I see another one pushing through on your first pic - it will be interesting to see the variation !
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Dirk
How long from seed to flowering?
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Arthur,
this plant is three years old.
more pictures:
Crocus baytopiorum, a form with a short stem from Denizli in SW-Turkey
Crocus sieberi ssp.nivalis
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Dirk,
What's the trick to keep C. baytopiorum so compact? Is it artificial light?
Beautiful plants, beautiful pics!
Gerd
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Arthur, your image 0112( in your post about the possible veluchensis hybrid )looks to me like it may have a virus.. or has the flower suffered some physical damage to make it look odd? It is the C. sieberi tricolor :-\
Dirk, I love your Crocus sieberi ssp.sublimis x gargaricus ssp.gargaricus.... it is a gentle colour and nice shape.
Your short C. baytopiorum is a beauty, too. I expect that it is is always short, is it not? It is not short because of particular conditions but because it is a fine form?
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I have to agree with you Maggi, re Arts C veluchensis. Art take a look at the leaves which may have a blotchy appearance. I'd be inclined to give it the heave-ho. I have tolerated the odd dodgy plant in the past but I am now regretting it big time. (And from this you can correctly infer that I am throwing out a lot of bulbs this season as the virus has been spread :'()
Dirk, your fantastic hybrid is very interesting. I will be out looking for any remaining flowers on my C gargaricus tomorrow. I assume that C sieberi was the seed parent? They are of course in the same series and have very similar corm shape and corm tunic, almost spherical and strongly netted. Was this a cross which you made with your own plants or seed from a friend? And .... are there more new hybrids in your frames?
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I noticed one of my veluchensis is striped also. Tony G how do you think it spreads in your collection?
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Was Arthur's image 0112 the same crocus as in the previous pic? I thought it was another, a sieberi tricolor, because of the colour!! ?? I wasn't expecting a veluchensis to look anything likethat. If the second pic IS a veluchensis, I'm more worried!
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Here's the virused Crocus
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Maggi
0104 is the bud stage of 0112. I think it is a hybrid of sieberi and veluchensis, not straight veluchensis.
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George came from Ruksans, can't tell you more than that, I'm afraid. Mark, the pink tommies came from Kath Dryden. Maybe Thomas can help out?
Good morning - Mark, Anne's tommasinianus roseus is surely not Lilac Beauty - I think it's the true roseus!
The only additional info I have about sieberi George from Janis Ruksans, is that it is a mutation of Hubert Edelsten.
Great hybrid, Dirk!!! :o :o
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I noticed one of my veluchensis is striped also. Tony G how do you think it spreads in your collection?
Aphids - they are seemingly ubiquitous. How many times have you taken a pic then spotted the aphid in/under the flower/leaves when you got the pic on screen.
Given the limited (safe to humans) nature of the insecticides available I am coming to the opinion that constant vigilance and physical removal are the best remedies. Oh and quick removal of any suspect plants.
There have been discussions here about transfer via bees (pollen/stigma etc) and there is also the possibility of our handling of the plants transferring infection but aphids are much the most likely vector.
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Thanks Tony.
Thomas Anne's tomm. roseus have more rounded petals than mine and a duller colour.
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Mark, perhaps you have another stock ? My Roseus have the same rounded petals, while Lilac Beauty has pointed petals.
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Could there be a clue in that 'roseus' is pink, while 'lilac beauty' is..... yes, lilac!!??!! :o
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I know that I can't compete with all those excellent photos of Crocus but I will try to show a couple just to show that we have Crocus flowering also in Sweden in february - outside of course!
The first one is Crocus abantensis.
The second is Crocus sieberi. Comes from the botanical garden of Gothenburg. Wild collected but I am not certain from where.
The third is Crocus chrysanthus 'Prespa Gold'
We have had a very mild winter this year. Lowest temperatur until now is -4 degrees. Today it was 11 degrees and a nice sunshine.
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Maggi and Gerd,
this form Crocus baytopiorum from Denizli is ever so short, forms from
Dirmil Gec is with a longer short. Is not artificial light, the pot standing
in open land.
Tony G, the seed from this cross is own harvest. I bring every year pollen with
paintbrush in other flowers,
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Kenneth we don't have a competition here, so don't hesitate to show more of your great plants!
In Germany nature sleeps again - frost in the last 4 days and no new flowers in the garden :-[
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Kenneth, I like your C. chrysanthus 'Prespa Gold'... I do not know this pretty cultivar.
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I bought 'Prespa Gold' from Rare Plants in 2006. I moved it last autumn to a more sunny place. In the catalogue it says:
"...true unhybridised material originating from high alpine meadows on Galicica in Macedonia, at 1900 m. From this original stock, one vigorous, large-flowered garden-worthy plant was selected. Superb vivid golden yellow flowers, inside and out, in feb."
I think the description is to the point.
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I took these two into the kitchen today to open them up a bit. Of course I forgot about them so they are a little bit more open than I had wished. Crocus tommasinianus Roseus and C. biflorus tauri.
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I am realy enjoying crocus season with all this nice pics.
I would like to show you one strange thing. Is that a virus or a result of bad growing conditions?
Is there anybody who had same experience before?
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Referring back to page 5, your hybrid Dirk, is the same colouring as mine, accidentally made here, from C. cvijicii, crossed with veluchensis. i.e. the seed was collected from cvijicii. There is a lot of variation in a batch from this cross. Some were all lavender, some almost all soft yellows and some with varying degrees of these two colours, giving an overall effect of apricot or peachy pink. All are lovely, especially the two colour seedlings.
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Ibrahim - yes I have seen this happen. It has been discussed here before. We think it is due to the leaves growing 'too quickly' inside the cataphylls and getting a bit squashed up before they emerge. It is not thought to be a sign of ill health and the flowers are usually fine. I find that it happens most often to Crocus imperati.
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On page 16, reply 230, there was no pic of korolkowii for me either Luit. How did Maggi see it. Mark don't complain about last year's, that creamy one is beautiful.
I've just tucked into this new(!) topic today. It's been sitting in New Topics unopened for more than a fortnight. Just haven't had the time. But what treasures are in it. Thomas, if you get seed from your `Spring Pearls' some time.....please? Won't come true but could be something like.
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Thomas I'm glad you found some C. chr. `Eyecatcher.' Having almost lost mine a few years ago, the remaining one has now increased to just 2 last spring. So it would have been another couple of years before I could send something.
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I've seen the same "folded leaves" phenomena on newly planted crocus in autuum.
Feared already it could be virused.
Unfortunately can't identify yet which cultivar it is.
Will post it later when in flower. I hope the flowers will be not "folded too"
My garden/lawn is currently deep frosted. The last 2 nights -6°C and +4°C max. during the day.
All crocus buds closed and many early ones have fallen over. It looks a bid sad.
Hope many will still stand up again with higher temperatures.
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The delicate pearly shades on Dirk's new hybrid are just exquisite, quite lovely.
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On page 16, reply 230, there was no pic of korolkowii for me either Luit. How did Maggi see it. Mark don't complain about last year's, that creamy one is beautiful.
This is the page in question....
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1286.225
I 've just been back for a look... I don't know what has gone on there... I remember now that when I read Luit's post, asking what had I seen that he hadn't, I was puzzled, because , at that time I COULD see the white korolkowii pic......now it has gone, as Luit found and now Lesley has found again.....luckily Mark posted another picture, along with the creamy version he had got the year before. I think the first pic, now missing, showed the flower less open, which showed the really lovely bluey shading to the stem.
I did see it, honestly!! ???
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Squashed, mis-shapen leaves
We think it is due to the leaves growing 'too quickly' inside the cataphylls and getting a bit squashed up before they emerge. It is not thought to be a sign of ill health and the flowers are usually fine
If you look at the cataphylls in the photo, they do look rather tough and dark, perhaps the weather has damaged them and so prevented the leaves from emerging properly.... the leaves look otherwise to be a very good colour.
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Are you sure you didn't have a small attack of "white fever" Maggi, and saw what wasn't really there at all? Talking of white fever, it can easily be cured by the "colour fever" I'm now inflicted with, from 20 crocus pages, all taken in a single dose.
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I think I saw it, Lesley.....it was certainly very lovely, even if only in my imagination! I may have a touch of a subspecies of white fever.... at Dunblane on Saturday I bought several snowdrops and a white Hepatica ::) Got a couple of 'drops I think I already have... to try to see if I can find which ones they are in the garden ::) :P :-[ :-\ ???
I have even gone so far as to ask Mark to help me source a 'drop...... but he may not be able to, so the fever may abate harmlessly ;)
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Two that look very similar, so not sure if the second one is correct?
Crocus heuffelianus and C. scepusiensis.
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Brian Mathew in his 'lumping days' merged all the dark tipped Crocus vernus into ssp vernus alongside a whole raft of other forms. So technically the names heuffelianus and scepusiensis are now invalid although 'Heuffelianus Group' is a name I have seen used. I guess your similar plants sort of demonstate the good cause Brian had to combine them!
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David N. : I see aphids on your Crocus leaves! Better sort 'em out tomorrow.
Maggi and Lesley, Maggi saw the photo OK but I then moved in down a few to show the comparison. Maggi the photo is the same
Some of my Crocus are very late this year and only just poking up now. Others I think are now in Crocus heaven. I'll post their names later in the week for the experts to have a say
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Thanks so much Tony & Maggi for help.
Last week I took some pics from my garden which I can post here.
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And I have another one here in the pot which came to me without invitation. I have taken just a little soil for my pot which is on the out side of my window when I was coming a samall trip.
When I checked soil I have seen very small bulbs without any rings on bottom. I was thinking they could be C. antalyensis. But they are very pale forms of C.biflorus pulchricolor. As you see...
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Ibrahim
Is this the normal flowering time, or are they earlier this year?
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Ibrahim
So different from the type. I particularly like these speckled Crocus You said there were small bulbs, does that mean there could be more flowers to come. It would be interesting to follow their progress.
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Thomas, if you get seed from your `Spring Pearls' some time.....please? Won't come true but could be something like.
It is noted on your wishlist, Lesley!
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"David I see aphids on your Crocus leaves! Better sort 'em out tomorrow."
MARK - don't do that again without identifying fully who you are talking to. I doesn't do older hearts any good at all!!!!!
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I took these two into the kitchen today to open them up a bit. Of course I forgot about them so they are a little bit more open than I had wished. Crocus tommasinianus Roseus and C. biflorus tauri.
No need to put them on the stove David ;D
I'm particularly fond of c.bif. tauri !
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On page 16, reply 230, there was no pic of korolkowii for me either Luit. How did Maggi see it. Mark don't complain about last year's, that creamy one is beautiful.
This is the page in question....
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1286.225
I 've just been back for a look... I don't know what has gone on there... I remember now that when I read Luit's post, asking what had I seen that he hadn't, I was puzzled, because , at that time I COULD see the white korolkowii pic......now it has gone, as Luit found and now Lesley has found again.....luckily Mark posted another picture, along with the creamy version he had got the year before. I think the first pic, now missing, showed the flower less open, which showed the really lovely bluey shading to the stem.
I did see it, honestly!! ???
Would you like to say that again please, only slower ??? ???
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David I see aphids on your Crocus leaves! Better sort 'em out tomorrow.
Ahhhhhhhhh. You must have a good optician!
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I did see it, honestly!!
It seems only the less young (not elderly!) Forumists did miss it?
It makes me worry..... ??? :( :o >:( :'( :-\
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Brian Mathew in his 'lumping days' merged all the dark tipped Crocus vernus into ssp vernus alongside a whole raft of other forms. So technically the names heuffelianus and scepusiensis are now invalid although 'Heuffelianus Group' is a name I have seen used. I guess your similar plants sort of demonstate the good cause Brian had to combine them!
Thanks Tony. So, apart from the lumping/splitting problem, the name is correct? How far are they separated on the map?
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Anthony, the only distinguishing point between heuffelianus and scepusiensis was (is?) that the first is (was?) supposed to have a glabrous throat, while the second was (is?) supposed to have a hairy throat. heuffelianus used to be said to be found wild through Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and Poland. Scepusiensis was said to come mainly from Poland.
I used to have both separated, grown from seed years ago, but long ago lost interest in trying to see if throats were hairy or not, llst track of labels and now think of them all as "heuffelianus" since that's what I had far more of. I suppose I should really think of them as wild vernus.
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Brian Mathew in his 'lumping days' merged all the dark tipped Crocus vernus into ssp vernus alongside a whole raft of other forms. So technically the names heuffelianus and scepusiensis are now invalid although 'Heuffelianus Group' is a name I have seen used. I guess your similar plants sort of demonstate the good cause Brian had to combine them!
Tony, your comment reflects Brian Mathews opinion, when he wrote his Crocus-bible in 1982!
But if you have a look into his Crocus updates from 2001, published in the New Plantsman, you will find, that Brian states
Crocus heuffelianus "could usefully be treated as a third subspecies under the name Crocus vernus ssp heuffelianus"!
Crocus scepusiensis is therefore the Polish form of C. vernus ssp heuffelianus - see Martin's comments about scepusiensis
having a hairy throat. And this is still not the end of the vernus-story.
Austrian botanists have done a lot of useful work within this group - not finished yet - but it seems like other forms that
sunk into ssp vernus in Brian's 1982 monograph, like Crocus exiguus, scepusiensis, siculus, napolitanus and an unnamed form
from Cakor-pass in Montenegro/Serbia, will be classified as separate species in near future.
Here a link to Wikipedia (only in German): http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%BChlings-Krokus
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Must add spatula (to look down my crocus throat) to ruler on my things to remember list. Wonder if they think 'ah'. ::)
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Sorry David Shaw.
David N new glasses last May
For those confused ( I can see the photos) here they are again
korolkowii apricot form
korolkowii white form
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C. tommasinianus 'Eric Smith' missing a petal this year.
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Now a couple of C. oliveri,
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C. oliveri ssp. balansae on the left and C. oliveri ssp. istanbulensis on the right
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and close ups.
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I read Martin's post and decided that was my own naming problems with that small group, solved. I'd label the lot C. vernus and forget them. But then I read Thomas' post so now I think I'll go back to bed! ???
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I read Martin's post and decided that was my own naming problems with that small group, solved. I'd label the lot C. vernus and forget them. But then I read Thomas' post so now I think I'll go back to bed! ???
Looking at the pictures of some male forum members,I see I differ from them in having hair on my head but I also have large sticky out ears which they do not seem to have. Does this make us different sub species? Sometimes I think this splitting is more of an ego trip than reality.
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I agree Tony. One has to wonder how much splitting and or lumping is justified in order to keep botanists/taxonomists in employment.
Edit: in her next post, Lesley says, in jest:" Next they'll be separating off many Primulas into subspecies because some are pin and some are thrum eyed! "
This leads to a diversion from the Crocus theme about pin and thrum primulas and self-pollination etc.: I have taken these posts from this thread and moved them to the Primula section : http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=15.0
There may be some references to these posts on this page which remain....try not to get too confused!! M
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Looking at the pictures of some male forum members,I see I differ from them in having hair on my head but I also have large sticky out ears which they do not seem to have. Does this make us different sub species? Sometimes I think this splitting is more of an ego trip than reality.
I'm of the same mind, although it is useful to have names which help distinguish plants that are clearly different, in the same way that we have names - both kind and colloquial - for people with bald heads, sticky out ears or large noses ;). (I have been careful to include one of my own features in that list :))
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Tony, your comment reflects Brian Mathews opinion, when he wrote his Crocus-bible in 1982!
But if you have a look into his Crocus updates from 2001, published in the New Plantsman, you will find, that Brian states
Crocus heuffelianus "could usefully be treated as a third subspecies under the name Crocus vernus ssp heuffelianus"!
Crocus scepusiensis is therefore the Polish form of C. vernus ssp heuffelianus - see Martin's comments about scepusiensis
having a hairy throat. And this is still not the end of the vernus-story.
Austrian botanists have done a lot of useful work within this group - not finished yet - but it seems like other forms that
sunk into ssp vernus in Brian's 1982 monograph, like Crocus exiguus, scepusiensis, siculus, napolitanus and an unnamed form
from Cakor-pass in Montenegro/Serbia, will be classified as separate species in near future.
Here a link to Wikipedia (only in German): http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%BChlings-Krokus
Thomas - we make a great team! I start a story and you bring it bang up to date! Perhaps you could translate the wiki pages for us ;D. I am basically a lumper rather than a splitter unless there are very clear and easily observed differences. C vernus does indeed cover some quite different looking plants, there is certainly a case for one or two new subspecies.
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I read Martin's post and decided that was my own naming problems with that small group, solved. I'd label the lot C. vernus and forget them. But then I read Thomas' post so now I think I'll go back to bed! ???
Looking at the pictures of some male forum members,I see I differ from them in having hair on my head but I also have large sticky out ears which they do not seem to have. Does this make us different sub species? Sometimes I think this splitting is more of an ego trip than reality.
We will have to see for ourselves Tony. ;) I suspect from your description you are thrum whereas I am most definitely pin. ;D
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Can we get back to Crocus please
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Thomas - we make a great team! I start a story and you bring it bang up to date! Perhaps you could translate the wiki pages for us ;D. I am basically a lumper rather than a splitter unless there are very clear and easily observed differences. C vernus does indeed cover some quite different looking plants, there is certainly a case for one or two new subspecies.
Tony, I'm afraid I will not have the time to translate the wiki pages. Did you try it with a translation programm?
The new results of splitting and lumping will not be speculations of a single person, they will be based on considerably
genetic inquiries. So we can be sure that these reflect the true relationships between the plants.
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If you look on the left hand side of the page of the Wikipedia Crocus page it gives the english translation.
Only partially I'm afraid. Trying to be clever!!
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An english translation? Not on my computer.
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Can we get back to Crocus please
as requested here we are back with crocus. I bought these as one corm from Pilous a few years ago
Crocus scardicus
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Tony W
I did not know that Vlastimil Pilous sold bulbs. I have been delighted with his seed.
What conditions did you give scardicus - I believe it is notoriously difficult to keep, let alone increase and flower.
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Arthur
I could say skill but that would be a joke!! In truth I think I have good conditions,it is so cool and wet here it probably thinks it is at home.i find it easier than ones that need hot dry summers. There have to be some benefits from living in this gloomy area.
It was possibly 8 years ago that I bought the corm.
I grow it in a peaty soil in a frame which is shady and never dries out. I have only potted it on once and I just moved the whole lot into a larger pot with no root disturbance. I had a bad moment in the autumn when I let them get a bit dry but they seem to have recovered. They are in leaf for about 9 months of the year with the new leaves showing as the old die away.
It is not self fertile and so I get no seed of it. I have however crossed it with pelistericus for the last 3 years and have my first seedlings almost at flowering size,one more year I think.
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Can we get back to Crocus please
as requested here we are back with crocus. I bought these as one corm from Pilous a few years ago
Tony, are the C. scardicus flowers really that colour? Gorgeous! They are so intense! 8)
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Thanks for moving my post Maggi.
Have arrived back from Tenerife and can log on as normal now.
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Welcome home, JoF ! Good to have you back, though it's a pity you hadn't brought some of the Tenerife warmth back with you.... flippin' perishing here!
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oooo weee what a colour
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I think the colour of the scardicus is pretty accurate, they do seem to glow
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I have noticed a gap where my Crocus kosanii isn't and I'm wondering if I left it on the show bench last Saturday? :'( I have emailed Sandy.
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It's been difficult to contribute from here when there's more than 1 m of snow outside and temperatures are usually below zero - but not always, it was +7 and pouring with rain a few days ago. However, at last, there's something in the frame, which rarely goes below zero in fact. Crocus baytopiorum has been my first spring crocus for the last couple of years, one of the three was partly consumed - a slug, I think, since they were still active even at these temperatures until I put out some pellets - but I left it in case its pollen is useful. I managed to catch these one handed leaning out of the window that opens onto the frame during a sunny spell yesterday.
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I managed to catch these one handed leaning out of the window that opens onto the frame during a sunny spell yesterday.
Nicely caught, Howard.
I think a future forum competition might be... "How I dangled from a twig to get this photo..." :D
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Here are this weeks blessings
Crocus etruscus
Crocus vitelinus
Crocus veluchensis
Crocus veluchensis
Anyone have any comments about the petals on C. veluchensis?
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Nice David. Maybe a little nibbling has gone on in C. veluchensis, or are you thinking the 'v' word?
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Anyone have any comments about the petals on C. veluchensis?
I find that multiplication of petals is common on crocus & one of your plants seems to be attempting to multiply - half-way house as it were - again quite common. The other looks a bit unhealthy - virus?
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When in doubt, I always check Tony G's Crocus pages , to compare with his healthy pix!
http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/index.php?log=crocus
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Anyone have any comments about the petals on C. veluchensis?
Usually quick to damn a virused plant my first impression is that this is mechanical damage not virus. I'm sure you will check closely for other signs of virus (suspicious colour breaks/streaks in the flowers or blotchy leaves) but this looks a bit like damage to the petals prior to opening. Might be a mollusc or a cutworm although the latter usually make a more comprehensive mess of the flowers. Taking a second look at the side on view I'm suspicious of those leaves - do I see yellowish patches? 'If in doubt - chuck it out' has become my mantra this season. I even removed one of my precious Narcissus alpestris today, it was only going to pass on the troubles if I kept it.
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Maggie,
Perhaps I exaggerated the contortions - here's the view from inside my subterranean study. During a blizzard!
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Ooh! I see the snow makes its way into the frame too... :P
I admit I visualised a greater degree of difficulty than appears to be the case here :-\
Natty arrangement for winter protection and access though... I know you described the set up previously, with shots then from the exterior, as I recall... and I now see how it all works. 8)
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Heres a flower bud of "Isauricus Spring Beauty", looks to be minimus?
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I remember Howard's frames from last year. A very ingenious solution but I am glad that we don't have to resort to this.
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Now that the sun is on the greenhouse I have had another look at this Crocus veluchensis. The edges of each petal are defined by a thin white margine. I don't think that the petals have been chewed but grew with irregular edges and the veining is much more pronounced than in the 'Crocuspage' images.
I am not sure if it is virused or not but will put it in isolation and see what it does next year.
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It's only a lean-to, so snow gets in through the cracks along the top, but seals it at the bottom and sides. It's one more thing to dig out after a storm too, the weight of snow can crack the glass, and my stock of old window panes is running low.
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here two pics from my Crocus today :
C.spec. Croatia
C. vernus Orjen
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David
I have noted your problem with some of my veluchensis - cannot all be virus, surely.
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No, I am not 'sure' that it is virus, hence I am not actually throwing them out.
I bought a bag of five veluchensis; three I put in a pot and two in the garden to see how they did. Later this afternoon the sun came onto the ones in the garden and they have opened up as normal bulbs. I would have thought that if the stock was virused all the bulbs would have shown something. As for growing conditions, the ones in the pot were plunged in sand in the greenhouse. Before Christmas we had a big freeze up that has probably finished off most of my narcissus but did not seem to have any effect on the other plunged crocus. This is the only one to have shown aberation.
Ahh, all part of the fun of gardening.
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Before Christmas we had a big freeze up that has probably finished off most of my narcissus but did not seem to have any effect on the other plunged crocus. This is the only one to have shown aberation.
Temperature shocks can cause multiplication, or partial multiplication, of parts in some animals (e.g. insects). I suspect the same may be true of plants. Hence the partially split petals.
On second thoughts I'm not sure about the significance of the freeze up. If this is a case of partial multiplication, the disturbance to development would presumably have occurred somewhat earlier during the formation of the flower bud.
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Anyone have any comments about the petals on C. veluchensis?
Good to hear that they may not be virsued - I agree that if the others are ok then this one may just be damaged. However - the 'veining' that you refer to leads me to another thought .... is it reallly veluchensis? Did they come cheap from the same place as the cvijicii which turned out to be angustifolius? If so I'd lay odds this is Crocus vernus.
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I would like to show some photos of mine from last week. The first one is from my garden. The others are from willd. I am still undecided haw to call. Last year I said c. b. weldenii but. Trade forms made me fall in mistake. I cheked again from crocus pages but I could not find the main distinction. Only the dark color is for alexandrii and white is for weldenii! I could not seen any darker then first one.
If I fallow the distributions N W Balkans for c. b. weldenii and Sırbia, Bulgaria and Greece for c. b. alexandrii.
So. could I say these are c. b. alexandrii?.
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And a few C. biflorus adamii from last week.
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Did they come cheap from the same place as the cvijicii which turned out to be angustifolius?
Oh, really? Yes, possible!
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Crocus minimus in my garden.
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here two pics from my Crocus today :
C.spec. Croatia
C. vernus Orjen
Hans, like the "Croatia" one. Nicely striped. 8)
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It is very difficult to grow Crocus in my garden. But some do grow very well. 2 months too early this year!
C. spec. Turkey (chr.?), sieberi (from TH. Huber), malyi - Croatia and C. tomm (from Thomas Huber).
Hans
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Ibrahim,
I would call them still C. biflorus ssp. weldenii - not ssp. alexandri.
But the real experts may have a different view...
Needless to say - all forms are very beautiful. ;)
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Hans,
very beautiful. I agree - the mild January has advanced the growth. Many are earlier than usual in flower and have fallen over already due to the recent frost period in Februar.
Btw - Would you still name yours for us?
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Armin thank you but I am still not sure for that.
Ofcours the chrysanthus, I can see them everywhere. Here are some for you. They are all from defferent locations.
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A sunny day and some impressions from my lawn...
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Armin thank you but I am still sure for that.
Ofcours the chrysanthus, I can see them everywhere. Here are some for you. They are all from defferent locations.
Ibrahim, wow :o Very nice also the pale yellow one...
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more...
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This one is for Thomas I know he loves chrysantus. It was only one which was shining in the thousants of chrysanthus with big size and broad petals.
You may like to see leaves also only two, exactly olivieri.
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Armin you are faster than me.
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and more... ;) ;D
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This one is for Thomas I know he loves chrysantus. It was only one which was shining in the thousants of chrysanthus with big size and broad petals.
You may like to see leaves also only two, exactly olivieri.
Ibrahim, very interesting.
What is the small one with the divided style beside the big one?
Is it from the same corm?
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WOW, Spring has come to Europe at last (not that we in the UK are not good Europeans!!) ;D
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and last ones...
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WOW, Spring has come to Europe at last (not that we in the UK are not good Europeans!!) ;D
David, yes one really nice day with sunshine makes flower explosion ;D
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Armin your show is very impresive but mine is not finish yet.
here is C.candidus.
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Great crocus, all of them.... Thank you.
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Here is my best one.
C. candidus orangino.
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Here is my best one.
C. candidus orangino.
WOW. Ibrahim if you ever had a spare corm I would clean your shoes for ever! ;D
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Oh, my word! And I was already so happy... 8)
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David I wish also to have one day but you know the albinos are not very easy.
And some more common sipecies from wild.
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And this one also a very rare sipecies fr. west TR.
C. flavus dissectus
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Ibrahim,
realy beautiful ones! 8). Wow - a pale candidus :o
Nothing beats pictures from the wild.
The C.flavus ssp. dissectus is lovely. My C.flavus ssp. flavus opened also today but the taken pictures are not sharp. My camera is a mystery sometimes... :-[
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Armin your photos are very nice and crocus looks very happy.
I will post some more before stop to night.
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So many beautiful Crocus shown today. Thank you all!
Hope to show some tomorrow which I made today.
But reading those high temps. ?? With us really windy and just about 10 C. for two hours or so.
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Ibrahim - fantastic show of pictures. Wonderful plants. I have always found the biflorus group difficult. It may be that the book(s) have been written with insufficient field based evidence. As Pasche & Kerndorff have explored the mountains in your country they have increased our knowledge but it is not complete yet I am sure! Hopefully Thomas (who has had conact with Helmut Kerndorff) can enlighten us.
I am going to a 'Crocus Day' this week, I will ask the experts there but it may be that your own discoveries need to be given their own name ;)
Keep posting - it is very interesting to see the plants and their variation in their home locations. Thank You!
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We had +20°C in Austria yesterday!
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Hans how did your plants like 20c? Last year the flowers in my garden wilted during a warm period.
Here's a lovely Crocus seen in Englnd. C. tomm. 'Garnet'
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What an avalanch of great Crocus ! Mine are all over by now :(
A great collection you have there Armin - your C. biflorus tauri is the one that tempts me most - beautiful !
Ibrahim - what a pleasure to see all these beauties in their homes - really exquisite !
Hans - with 20°C - do you have any snow left in Austria.
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Mark and Luc, the mornings are cold here (-3°C) and this is good so. The snow has gone, but I take snow from the avalanches to cool some plants and I have to give them a shaddow. You can see how fast the plants grow (Iris, Crocus, Erythronium, Saxifraga, Primula,...). Some Androsace and Primulas have not survived the great differents between the temperatures, they dry up.
Hans
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Wow - I am just catching up on the crocus pictures posted yesterday and what a sight and pleasure it is.
How beautiful they are.
I especially enjoy seeing them pictured in the wild and seeing the wide variation that they have, thank you Ibrahim.
Armin you are well ahead of us at the moment but as you say one warm day will bring an explosion of flowers.
I am off to look at more snowdrops today, I wish it was crocus ::)
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My boss will not be very happy with my performance today. Have locked myself up in the office and taken a huge dose of Crocumania during working hours. Fantastic pictures, everyone. I am really grateful to see so many beautiful forms.
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Here is my best one.
C. candidus orangino.
Ibrahim, many, many thanks for these photos - great as always!!!
Does Crocus candidus orangino grow near Crocus olivieri??
Both are in the same series and can possibly hybridise, so your finding could be a natural hybrid!
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After two weeks near the freezing point we had a wonderful weekend with many
new crocus appearing in the garden. Here some impressions:
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Some close-up's
Crocus angustifolius "Berlin Gold" - a pure yellow selection without any stripes.
Crocus biflorus ssp nubigena - always a joy to see these little flowers with the black anthers.
Crocus dalmaticus - originally from the Shaw-garden.
Crocus flavus ssp dissectus - grown from Crocus-group seeds.
Crocus rujanensis surrounded by "simple" Dutch cultivars.
Crocus chrysanthus "Goldene Sonne" - in my opinion the most beautiful yellow colour of all the chrysanthus cultivars.
Crocus chrysanthus "Saturnus" - a small but beatiful soft yellow with pointed star-like petals.
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First photo shows a giant dark form of Crocus versicolor.
And last for today some selected chrysanthus hybrids found on my lawn.
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great pictures over the last couple of days.Mine are all finished for this year with the exception of pelistericus which is still to come.
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Fantastic, Thomas, but I'm a bit worried that the dreaded white things seem to be taking over your lawn. :o
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Brilliant show Thomas - your lawn is living up to it's reputation once again ! :o
I share Ann's concern though - a lot of white popping out of that lawn... and they're not Crocus ???
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Fantastic, Thomas, but I'm a bit worried that the dreaded white things seem to be taking over your lawn. :o
;D ;D Me too, Anne - me too!!!
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You must have the best show, Thomas. Mine are almost over with just a few late flowers. Some pots of vernus seem to stuck with the flower buds not progressing. I bought tomm Lavendar striped from Janis either in 2007 or 2006. The emerging buds look virused. Does anyone know for sure?
Thomas how did you build your rockery? What size are the stones? I would like to copy it.
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Thomas how did you build your rockery? What size are the stones? I would like to copy it.
Mark, the following gallery should help you to copy my rockgarden, but please hold in mind: Copyright T.Huber ;)
The stones are findings from local fields, built upright in the soil. Size about 50x50cm. Hope this helps!
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Thomas your lawn is fantastic. It seems easyer to grow them on lawn than pots.
The region where I found c. candidus orangino has no olivieri at all. There was her a baby also around and some seedlings. In the area there were only candidus no more yellew (pale yellew) flowers. Maybe you can have a look to bible C. b. weldenii! Chrysanthus with broad leaves also was wery interesting.
Tony I am always tahanksfull for your help. I have a few samples to show expert. (c. b. weldenii !!) I could not be sure. They will try to give teir name if there is new somethings!! So don't know what is the way.
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Ibrahim, the "obvious" difference between the two biflorus ssp is:
weldenii: leaves with 1 or 2 prominent veins in the grooves on the underside, style bright orange
alexandrii: no veins, Style orange to red (source: Brian Mathew - The crocus)
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Great show Thomas, what a fantastic thread this is.
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Thanks Thomas I will check, if there is any vains on lower parts of leaves. From pics I can't see the difference from leaves or styles. The mines have always three leaves but here there is one c. b. weldenii always with five leaves.
http://www.funghiitaliani.it/index.php?showtopic=24502&st=0
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Thomas
I am glad Mark asked for details of your rockery, and the photos make construction easy.
Might I please ask for a planting plan. :) ;D
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And the soil mix of course ;D
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Great photos everyone. Thank you. Thomas shows picture of many cultivars that I have never heard of or seen in the lists that I look at. Is there anywhere that I can buy them?
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Armin your photos are very nice and crocus looks very happy.
I will post some more before stop to night.
Ibrahim,
thanks for the compliments but yours are toping all of mine.
Simply irresistable! 8)
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Hans how did your plants like 20c? Last year the flowers in my garden wilted during a warm period.
Here's a lovely Crocus seen in Englnd. C. tomm. 'Garnet'
Mark, very red purple - lovely!
Who is selling this tommy?
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First photo shows a giant dark form of Crocus versicolor.
And last for today some selected chrysanthus hybrids found on my lawn.
Thomas,
your crocus lawn - simply striking!
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Bravo and thank you Thomas and Ibrahim , Dirk and all for your pics
Thomas ok understand for Warley !!!
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after the flowers under protection, now is the season in the garden
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again
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the end !!!
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Great photos everyone. Thank you. Thomas shows picture of many cultivars that I have never heard of or seen in the lists that I look at. Is there anywhere that I can buy them?
David, most of the cultivars I show have disappeared from the trade lists many years ago. For some I needed 5 years to find them, but not in trade, only from private collectors. There are still some listed in the Dix-list, but these are often misnamed :( So if you're looking for a special cultivar, just ask me!
Luc, the soil in my rockery was mixed up with lots of sand and grit.
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Bravo and thank you Thomas and Ibrahim , Dirk and all for your pics
Thomas ok understand for Warley !!!
Great plants, Dominique. Is that white versicolor growing in the wild?
Your veluchensis looks like the one that was posted by David (S?) last weekend.
Possibly a vernus form?
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Impressive series Dominique - C. chrysanthus 'Blue Peter' is particularly nice !
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Thanks Luc and Thomas
Yes my versicolor pic comes from the wild in the Alpes maritimes in France. Its a chance to have seen it (only one !)
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yes Thomas, my veluchensis is another error from Dix-export §§§§§§ Never they have made such a number of mistakes than this year ! What happens to them ?????
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Dominique thanks for all these beauty. I hope one day mine crocuses will also increase like your ancyrensis.
Can you see this from last week!!
Crocus cancellatus mazziaricus
C.cancellatus mazziaricus seed pods
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And some more from my garden which are taken just to day.
Crocus abantensis
Crocus biflorus adamii
Crocus chrysanthus.
Crocus flavus flavus
Crocus olivieri olivieri.
Crocus olivieri albino
Crocus pestalozzae
Crocus x paulineae
Crocus x paulineae 2.
Crocus x paulineae 3.
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Great show, Ibrahim!
Looking at your olivieri Albus I know that Turkish pests always
choose the rarities for lunch, too! >:(
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Veluchensis/vernus form. Are the bulb salespeople starting to buy their bulbs in from a central bulk supplier? Dominique is complaining about Dix-export whilst mine came from an English company that has provided relable stock in the past but this is the third 'error' that I have had from them this season, all crocus.
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David S I think all nurseries source from Dutch suppliers. Pottertons have lots of mistakes also
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Mark, there are some exceptions ;)
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Yes Thomas you are right but I am still happy to know that she is in alive.
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David, Mark and Susan : In my opinion you are all absolutely right ! ;)
Ibrahim,
Stunning pictures once again but I'm surprised you still have so many Crocus flowering right now - I would have expected them to flower earlier in Turkey than here, or are you living on a certain altitude ?
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Luc altitute in my garden only 84 m. and all crocus flower will be over soon. But for the wild just strarted from low altitute and for mauntains it is still very early everywhere covered by lots of snow.
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Thanks for clearing that matter for me Ibrahim. ;)
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Fair comment, Susan. There are a few, very few, suppliers like yourself that do grow all their own stock. What a pity that you can provide for such a small percentage of the market.
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David S I think all nurseries source from Dutch suppliers. Pottertons have lots of mistakes also
Pottertons have removed C.cvijicii from their current list after discovering that their stock is C.angustifolius.
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Mark, there are some exceptions ;)
What a pity you don't have any Crocus, Susan :'(
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Thomas here is one I do have. It is a seedling found in mum's garden. What do you think? worth giving a name ar are there too many similar?
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Great plant, Susan - I don't know any named Crocus heuffelianus like yours.
Most cultivars in trade (Ruksans) are much darker, so why not giving it a name?
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Slovenien, 20.02.2008
Crocus exiguus
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Welcome Viola, we like wild shots, did you have a trip to Slovenien, any more photo's ?
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Kroatien, 21.02.08
Crocus biflorus ssp.weldenii
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Hello, Viola.... Karl... a warm welcome to you. It is good to see more crocus from the wild. You will see that I am editing your posts to put the name of your picture file in the post, this is to enable the Search facility to find the name.
M
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some flowers from this days
Crocus angustifolius 'Bronze'
Crocus heuffelianus 'Albus', similar 'Carpathian Wonder'
Crocus flavus ssp.flavus from NE-Bulgaria, over ten flowers from one large corm
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Very nice Susan. Can I go on the waiting list?
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Great plant, Susan - I don't know any named Crocus heuffelianus like yours.
Most cultivars in trade (Ruksans) are much darker, so why not giving it a name?
That is a really nice form Susan!
I have one that is similar (but not quite such a nice shape) and here is the problem with naming them. Similar seedlings will occur in your mums garden and elsewhere. How will we tell them apart? Will there be less wonderful forms masquerading under the same name? Given the problems some trade sources have with naming for plants which are not very alike imagine the problems we have with cultivars! I was at Wisley yesterday and the 'trade stand' was selling six different crocus, four were wrongly named and one of the other two was horribly virused .... and this was at a 'Crocus day' :D ... and yes folks, one of them was cvijicii/angustifolius! The other 'wrong uns' were all cultivars.
Having said all this, you could call it 'Pitcairn Purple' ;)
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I think 'Jean Band' would be great
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I'm sure Susan thinks Jean Band is great too ;D She'd be nothing without her!
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A warm welcome Karl, we hope to see more plants from the wild and garden.
Franz
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Our new Forumist, "Viola", is Karl, another Austrian member, who is a specialist in wild bulbs and alpine plants. 8) We are pleased to have his company here. Karl will be helped by some other Forum friends of his with translation since he cannot speak English very well. Our thanks to those Friends for helping Karl to join in :D :-*
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Dirk, that white heuffelianus with the dark marks is very attractive.Can we see it again when it's open?
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Great pix everyone !
Dirk, your heufelianus albus looks absolutely fabulous !!!
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Great pix everyone !
Yes, I agree.
Dirk, your heufelianus albus looks absolutely fabulous !!!
It is a wonderful plant! Love it!
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Slovenien, 20.02.2008
Crocus exiguus Slovenien
Crocus exiguus Slovenien
Servus Karl und willkommen im Schottenforum!
Hoffe, Deine heutige Bergtour war erfolgreich und hat Dir wieder schöne Fotos beschert!
Dirk your heuffelianus Albus looks great.
But didn't you tell me it is virused? This plant looks healthy to my eye!
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Servus Karl und willkommen im Schottenforum!
Hoffe, Deine heutige Bergtour war erfolgreich und hat Dir wieder schöne Fotos beschert!
Thomas, we all welcome Karl most warmly to the Forum and we VERY MUCH hope that his latest trip went well and we will be lucky enough to share the photos! :) :)
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Sorry - I forgot to translate for the non-Germans. Thanks Maggi :-*
No sun today, but warm pre-storm temperatures have opened the Crocusses in the garden
and started the football season :-\
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Some more special chrysanthus cultivars:
-Brassband - before you have to ask: Yes, it's really that colour and I love it!!!
-Herald - Another Beauty with dark outer petals and soft yellow inside.
-Eyecatcher - I think I posted it some days ago but it looks like a white brother of Herald
-Gipsy Girl - a single flower in my lawn
-White Beauty and
-White Triumphator - both are old cultivars, no longer available in trade
-an unnamed hybrid in my lawn with a very intense blue colour.
-another seedling (possibly from Romance) and tommasinianus Ruby Giant in the background
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Thomas what marvellous pictures.I just wish I could grow some of mine outside and even try to produce such an effect
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Thomas what marvellous pictures.I just wish I could grow some of mine outside and even try to produce such an effect
Tony, don't wish - just do it! Or don't you have a lawn?
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Thanks for rthe compliments on the Crocus. Go away for a day and the forum runs away, difficult to catch up on all the postings :D
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Lovely pictures Thomas. Crocus chrysanthus 'Eyecatcher' is a stunner and very aptly named.
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Great pictures, Thomas, and good to see that you still have some empty lawn left for new crocus!
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A little sun today and Crocus veluchensis half open.
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Thomas what marvellous pictures.I just wish I could grow some of mine outside and even try to produce such an effect
Tony, don't wish - just do it! Or don't you have a lawn?
My lawn is 99% moss with an odd tuft of grass over soggy clay.We all have limitations and I will just enjoy yours which are magnificent
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Thomas,
Your lawn is as beautiful as ever. So did he have to place his feet super-carefully for that football shot? ;D
'Herald' is very striking, plus is that a Hubert Edelsten amongst those yellows? Wonderful pics, all of them.
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Thanks for the compliments everybody - great you like my lawn 8)
Chris wasn't placed on the lawn by me - he was looking for new hybrids appearing
between the cultivars. He had the ball in his hand, so I told him to keep still for a photo ;D
Yes, Susan it's Hubert Edelsten!
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Beautiful pics, Thomas!
Would have liked to tell you personally tomorrow, which seems not possible... :( :( :(
-Eyecatcher - I think I posted it some days ago but it looks like a white brother of Herald
Same hybridiser!, problably out of the same seedling batch.
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Thomas - great show of colour. When (if we ever!) we move I will try and do the same. With the master of massed crocus as a guide, we cannot go wrong :)
Brassband is a super form. I have not heard of it before. Is it a recent hybrid? Come to that have you found any more 'new babies' in your lawn?
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Crocus napolitanus
Austria, 15.03.2007
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Beautiful pictures Karl, the shot of the field is a stunner.
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Great shots Karl !!! Thank you.
Thomas, here's some competition for your lawn ;D
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Brassband is a super form. I have not heard of it before. Is is a recent hybrid?
'Brassband' cannot be all that recent since I remember seeing it several years ago (10?) on a trade stand at one of the RHS Spring Shows. Struck by the colour I intended to obtain some but when the time came it had either been forgotten or replaced on my "to buy" list by more desirable plants.
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Brassband is a super form. I have not heard of it before. Is is a recent hybrid?
'Brassband' cannot be all that recent since I remember seeing it several years ago (10?) on a trade stand at one of the RHS Spring Shows. Struck by the colour I intended to obtain some but when the time came it had either been forgotten or replaced on my "to buy" list by more desirable plants.
First awarded in Holland 1972!
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Crocus napolitanus
Austria, 15.03.2007
Beautiful "Kasbleamla" Karl!
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The crocus meadow is not in the garden of Karl. That is a natural location.
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Crocus napolitanus
Austria, 15.03.2007
Karl, welcome to the forum.
What a great natural place you show us!
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Natural location - Austria
Crocus albiflorus
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Here are some shots of my meadow from today.
Everywhere self seedling grows.
Crocus tomasinianus
Seedling
and they like the wall and ways.
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You have had more sun today than we have had, Franz. Here it was cold and windy and often rather dark. Your meadow is looking wonderful.
It is a delight to see all these crocus in the wild or in a home meadow.
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Franz, Thomas, your meadow's are amazing.
One of my cats found my crocus pots that I brought up stairs the other day, and chewed a flower off. I see no pollen? These sterile?
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Anomaly Flowers at C.napolitanus
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What is this please?
Crocus spec. southern from Dubrovnic, Kroatien collect.
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Karl, I think that your crocus from Dubrovnik is a C. vernus.
see Hans J's post from Feb. 24th on page 25 of this thread : http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1286.msg33992;topicseen#msg33992 for C. vernus from Orjen.
New page started now for Crocus- March 2008 http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1460.0
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Thank jou veri much, Maggy!
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Sorry Maggi,
for me the first picture from Karl looks more like a form of C. tommasianus. The rounded flowers / shape resembles cultivar Barrs Purple. Also no dark stem.
What do the croconut specialists say?
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Crocus heuffelianus or C.exiguus?
from Buzet, Kroatien
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Sorry Maggi,
for me the first picture from Karl looks more like a form of C. tommasianus. The rounded flowers / shape resembles cultivar Barrs Purple. Also no dark stem.
What do the croconut specialists say?
I had thought the same Armin - it does look like a C tommasinianus.
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Karl - many thanks for your beautiful photos!
Tony and Armin, you might be right, that Karl's Crocus looks like a tommi,
but please note the wide leaves!! Points for a vernus in my opinion! Crocus
vernus might have a coloured stem, but also white stems exist.
Franz, what a wonderful mixed lawn - I see many good hybrids worth to select!!
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I am still of the opinion that Karl's crocus (March 01, 2008, 05:58:19 PM Posted by: Viola )
is a vernus...Ian thinks vernus also, so we agree with Thomas!
As to these new photos.... is C. exiguus not a synonym for C. vernus ssp. vernus and C.heuffelianus a variant of C. vernus ssp vernus... so, all these names are the same plant... merely depending on the botanist you are speaking to at the time ::)
Here, with such markings, I think we would label them heuffelianus..... or vernus!! ::) Whatever their name ,these are lovely forms and very good to see them in the wild. 8)
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Based on BM's description, C.tommasinianus seems likely - especially the presence of a spotted & veined bract
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Perhaps we both are right: It could also be a natural hybrid!?
Maggi, Brian Mathew states in his Crocus update (2001) that heuffelianus is a third subspecies of Crocus vernus.
Some days ago I posted a link to a German wikipedia site with more information about that theme.
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It could also be a natural hybrid!?
That would please everyone! ;)
I do not keep up very well with "current thinking" in matters botanical.... (well, at all, really :-[ :-)\ :-X ) so I must study Tomas' link.... 8)
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Crocus heuffelianus or C.exiguus?
from Buzet, Kroatien
Lovely C.heuffelianus!
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This page is closed now... replies only, no new picture postings, here please.
Photos to March 2008 http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1460.30
thank you!