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Bulbs => NARCISSUS => Topic started by: Yann on January 01, 2015, 04:03:39 PM
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Narcissus cantabricus J.W. Blanchard 8820
Narcissus romieuxii subsp. albidus var. Zaianicus M168
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Narcissus Limy Lass.
Narcissus romieuxii.
Narcissus romieuxii petunioides.
Narcissus Camoro x mesatlanticus seedlings.
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Narcissus tazetta, but not know subspeciese..
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Narcissus albidus SF110 x bulbocodium praecox Moulay Brahim (from Anne)
Narcissus cantabricus ssp cantabricus
Narcissus romieuxii 'Craigton Clumper'
Narcissus romieuxii JCA 805 ‘Atlas Gold’
Narcissus albidus RRW8853
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That's a good selection for the first week of the year. 8)
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Both are flowering now. They are very same but I am suspicious whether same or not. Can anyone clarify? :'(
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Both are flowering now. They are very same but I am suspicious whether same or not. Can anyone clarify? :'(
Yes, very similar - but I think not the same . There are quite a few of double narcissus of that type.
Do you perhaps notice any difference in the scent?
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So many thanks Maggie..Both have same sweetly scented. The first is almost more than 50 cm height, more floriferous. According to Daffseek 'Double Roman' is dwarf in height.So second very close to Double Roman, but what is the first. In the shape first is very close to Double Roman but it is so height, found over 65 cm last year..
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Ther problem lies in the fact that in cultivation plants can reach very different heights in different situations - even in many Daffseek descriptions the size given can range to double the size!
A Daffseek search for plants in the 4 W-O or 4 W-Y -( because there can be decision to be made about exact colour) will show many plants which are quite similar.
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Narcissus 'Camoro' from the greenhouse today.
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Beautiful pic of 'Camoro' , David Camoro = CAntabricus MOnophyllus ROmieuxii
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Ah! Cheers Maggi, I've edited it.
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:-* Thanks, David.
It's a really good plant, isn't it?
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Yes, a good strong 'un, heads stand up well.
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Happy New Year! This is my first post in 2015 :)
This flower is in the same pot of my previous post on last Christmas Eve (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12513.msg319846#msg319846) because I thought these bulbs are a same clone. Now I think there are at least 2 similar clones in the pot. Their corona shape looks different for me. Anyway, I like this flower better than the previous one I posted :)
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Certainly a particularly attractive flower, Tatsuo. 8)
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That's a nice one
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That is a beauty, Tatsuo.
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Narcissus smarple
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Thank you, all. I'll separate this bulb from others in the pot this summer.
I'm lucky to get this flower in a way. But I'm not sure it is "true" N. ‘Hatsuyuki’.
Today, the corona is over 5cm in diameter and flower stem is still 15cm in height.
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Narcissus jeanmonodii
Narcissus paucinervis RRW 8418
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Thank you, all. I'll separate this bulb from others in the pot this summer.
I'm lucky to get this flower in a way. But I'm not sure it is "true" N. ‘Hatsuyuki’.
Today, the corona is over 5cm in diameter and flower stem is still 15cm in height.
Very striking flower Tatsuo. Do you know what the parents of N. 'Hatsuyuki' are?
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Narcissus bulbocodium praecox..
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Matt Bishop and Alan Street, both perhaps better known for their interest in galanthus, have "discovered" a new cultivar of Narcissus :
http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Chance-discovery-new-daffodil-Cornish-garden/story-25847094-detail/story.html (http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Chance-discovery-new-daffodil-Cornish-garden/story-25847094-detail/story.html)
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Narcissus jeanmonodii
Narcissus paucinervis RRW 8418
Amazing pictures .... now I am quite envious!
Corrado
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It's a real beauty, Tatsuo. I'm interested in your Japanese ruler! Are Japanese numbers different to the English ones on your ruler?
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Very striking flower Tatsuo. Do you know what the parents of N. 'Hatsuyuki' are?
Cyril, unfortunately the nursery withholds the parentage :( I think it was choiced from the chance seedlings in a greenhouse as Ian's magic sand plunge ::)
I feel some N. cantabricus monophyllus influence from its small number of leaves.
It's a real beauty, Tatsuo. I'm interested in your Japanese ruler! Are Japanese numbers different to the English ones on your ruler?
Anne, the digits on the ruler are the "Arabic" numerals ;D Japanese government had officially adopted the metric system in 1885 and I'll send you a Japanese ruler if you still use the one with imperial units ;D ;D ;D
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A brief sunny spell, so I dashed out to catch some not terribly great snaps.
Narcissus asturiensis - just opened
Narcissus 'Craigton Clanger' - have shown this before, but love the shape of these flowers in side view
Narcissus 'Don Stead' - open a while, so past his best, but still a lovely thing, and nestled beneath him another form of ...
Narcissus hedraeanthus
Narcissus jeanmonodii x N. bulbocodium genuinis (which I think is now N. b. bulbocodium?) - picked these up at the small bulb exchange at the DWE, and I think they came from Anne W? Almost a bicolour, with perianth segments slightly paler than the corona.
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Anne, the digits on the ruler are the "Arabic" numerals ;D Japanese government had officially adopted the metric system in 1885 and I'll send you a Japanese ruler if you still use the one with imperial units ;D ;D ;D
You have a 130-years-old Japanese ruler??!! :o :o
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Excuse me, I did not mean the Emperor - this is getting complicated.
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Narcissus jeanmonodii x N. bulbocodium genuinis [/i] (which I think is now N. b. bulbocodium?) - picked these up at the small bulb exchange at the DWE, and I think they came from Anne W? Almost a bicolour, with perianth segments slightly paler than the corona.
Don't think it's one of mine, Matt. You are ahead of me here - is it the Gulf Stream pushing yours on?
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From Brian Duncan
Narcissus bulbocodium Morocco
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Don't think it's one of mine, Matt. You are ahead of me here - is it the Gulf Stream pushing yours on?
If I remember rightly we had a relatively cold start to our autumn, so the bulbs got off to an early start. I've had lots of 'early' flowers and noses up on plants I wouldn't normally expect for another few weeks. The N. asturiensis IS your's, lovely it is too and one of my favourite Narcissus (but I love them all really).
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Some hoops out now. My favourites of all my hoop seedlings, almost all the ones from this batch of seedlings (number 2773) are really delicious - elegant shape, good texture, lovely ivory white colour. I hope those who got some from me last summer as Narcissus romieuxii petunioid x albidus SF110 like them as much as I do.
A strongly reflexed seedling from the elusive N. romieuxii 'Julia Jane'
A self-sown seedling, presumably from 'Joy Bishop'
A seedling from 'Atlas Gold;' which has got a little carried away and ended up splitting itself - compost fodder..
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Two of Brian Duncan's - Lemon Flare, and one of his 'Snowdrop Daffodils', a Galantoquilla group.
Finally, 'Don Stead', a dwarf variety which has a slightly laterally flattened corona.
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A self-sown seedling, presumably from 'Joy Bishop'
Isn't that lovely! I'm in two minds about Joy 'Bishop', but this one retains her general character but also has a more refined elegance?
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Finally, 'Don Stead', a dwarf variety which has a slightly laterally flattened corona.
I daren't say "squashed" in case the BD is monitoring these posts ;) but my plant is also "laterally flattened" ;D which I like as well as the fact that the scape remains short even in my low light levels.
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I daren't say "squashed" in case the BD is monitoring these posts ;) but my plant is also "laterally flattened"
I tried to be diplomatic - but I like it too - it gives it a bit of character, and as you say it stays nice and short. Must cross it with something.. ::)
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BD in heap on floor ......... ::)
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Oh No! We like it that way, we really do!
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Turns out the BD's funny turn was brought on by shock of your 'Don Steads' being so much further on than his. They are only just emerging from the pot now.
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Narcissus ‘Craigton Clumper’ has fully opened today :) :) :) Thank you Ian Y and Maggi :-*
And N. 'Don Stead', N. ‘Craigton Clumper’ and N. ‘Craigton Chorister’ (from left to right) in the third picture.
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Some hoops out now. My favourites of all my hoop seedlings, almost all the ones from this batch of seedlings (number 2773) are really delicious - elegant shape, good texture, lovely ivory white colour. I hope those who got some from me last summer as Narcissus romieuxii petunioid x albidus SF110 like them as much as I do.
A strongly reflexed seedling from the elusive N. romieuxii 'Julia Jane'
A self-sown seedling, presumably from 'Joy Bishop'
Lovely seedlings, Anne :P
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Narcissus cantabricus, Aldea del Fresno, Madrid
Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. ???. Received as subsp. nivalis but nivalis is a native of Morocco. Could it be subsp. validus?
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Narcissus albidus RRW8853
Narcissus cantabricus J.W. Blanchard 8820
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Lovely hoops!
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Hi JPB
You wrote
Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. ???. Received as subsp. nivalis but nivalis is a native of Morocco. Could it be subsp. validus?
nivalis comes from the Iberian peninsular not Morocco see following link
http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?name_id=282057 (http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?name_id=282057)
Daffseek has lots of photographs of nivalis including one that i posted
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?photo2=5e8ef18aab97ac11692aa249964dd5f6&pagenum1=1& (http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?photo2=5e8ef18aab97ac11692aa249964dd5f6&pagenum1=1&)
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Narcissus cantabricus J.W. Blanchard 8820
A stunning plant. It's a shame that N. cantabricus is so sulky with me - summers too cool and grey. :'(
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A stunning plant. It's a shame that N. cantabricus is so sulky with me - summers too cool and grey. :'(
Apologies for the question Matt, but what is the weather like in the summer there?
Regards
Corrado
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Hi JPB
You wrote
Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. ???. Received as subsp. nivalis but nivalis is a native of Morocco. Could it be subsp. validus?
nivalis comes from the Iberian peninsular not Morocco see following link
http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?name_id=282057 (http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?name_id=282057)
Daffseek has lots of photographs of nivalis including one that i posted
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?photo2=5e8ef18aab97ac11692aa249964dd5f6&pagenum1=1& (http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?photo2=5e8ef18aab97ac11692aa249964dd5f6&pagenum1=1&)
You are right. I found another picture of N. bulb bulb. nivalis from Estrella; http://www.eco.science.ru.nl/plantecology/Estrela/pig_taxa1.html (http://www.eco.science.ru.nl/plantecology/Estrela/pig_taxa1.html)
This plant is very similar to my nivalis. Short corona (half the length of the tube).
I checked the John Hammond book and he found similar plants "in the Asturias" which is close to or part of the Cantabrian mountains...
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As I understand it, the N.b.nivalis like plants that are found in North Africa should be known as N. jeanmonodii?
Edit: just been reading through old threads. They're all N.bulbocodium [full stop] ;)
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Apologies for the question Matt, but what is the weather like in the summer there?
Regards
Corrado
No need to apologise! Our summers are typically cool, with temperatures reaching the high teens if we're lucky. May is usually a good month, with a reasonable amount of sun. June can be good too, which is when the machair wildflowers start to come into their own. However, July and August typically turn a bit cloudier and wetter. Being a low-lying island in the 'Gulf Stream' we are lucky not to suffer very cold winters and hard/prolonged frosts are rare. This also means we don't have baking hot summers. Overall our climate is more equable that other parts of the country - mild wet and windy winters followed by mild, wet and less windy summers.
The Met Office has interesting average climatic data from across the UK. You can find ours here: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/climate/gf4z088dj (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/climate/gf4z088dj)
Usefully, you could also enter your own location under the "Location comparison" tab to compare the average climate of our respective locations. It might help you to understand our climate in relation to your own?
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Hans, I would say your plant is N. bulbocodium subsp. nivalis, however this name is not accepted and many botanist consider this is the same bulboodium that grows everywhere in Spain. I support Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. nivalis and this only grows in central mountain ranges in Spain and also Sierra de Estrella in Portugal.
You are right Matt T, there is a similar species in Morocco called N. jeanmonodii,
http://www.treknature.com/gallery/photo232628.htm4 (http://www.treknature.com/gallery/photo232628.htm4)
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Hans, I would say your plant is N. bulbocodium subsp. nivalis, however this name is not accepted and many botanist consider this is the same bulboodium that grows everywhere in Spain. I support Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. nivalis and this only grows in central mountain ranges in Spain and also Sierra de Estrella in Portugal.
You are right Matt T, there is a similar species in Morocco called N. jeanmonodii,
http://www.treknature.com/gallery/photo232628.htm4 (http://www.treknature.com/gallery/photo232628.htm4)
What a beautiful plant!!!
It seems that I'm a little behind with Narcissus taxonomy...
Will there be a new monograph any time soon? ::)
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What a beautiful plant!!!
It seems that I'm a little behind with Narcissus taxonomy...
Will there be a new monograph any time soon? ::)
Mmmm .... the most recent position is that N.bulbocodium subsp. nivalis is synonym with N. nivalis, so it is a species, and this position accepted in the world checklist database. Of course, there will always be some that disagree or most botanists would be out of a job .... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Fernández Casas, F.J. (2009). Narcissorum notulae, XII. Fontqueria 56: 15-28.
Best,
Corrado
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Mmmm .... the most recent position is that N.bulbocodium subsp. nivalis is synonym with N. nivalis, so it is a species, and this position accepted in the world checklist database. Of course, there will always be some that disagree or most botanists would be out of a job .... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Corrado
Narcissus nivalis was described by the Spanish physician, naturalist and politician Mariano de la Paz Graells and published in Memorias, Real Academia de Ciencias Exactas, Físicas y Naturales de Madrid 2: 473, in 1859. The species name nivalis, means snow. (Wikipedia)
Attached is the pdf of that page
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Narcissus nivalis was described by the Spanish physician, naturalist and politician Mariano de la Paz Graells and published in Memorias, Real Academia de Ciencias Exactas, Físicas y Naturales de Madrid 2: 473, in 1859. The species name nivalis, means snow. (Wikipedia)
Attached is the pdf of that page
Exactly (aand thanks for the pdf!). Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. nivalis was then described in 1890, but it is indeed assumed to be a synonym of Narcissus nivalis in the world checklist database and in the international plant name index and in the most recent publications, for example in the already mentioned Fernández Casas, F.J. (2009). Narcissorum notulae, XII. Fontqueria.
I do not think that does add or take away to the beauty of Hans plant .... fantastic!
PS: Do you have the original 1890 paper describing Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. nivalis?
Regards
Corrado
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Narcissus minor, JJA702.305 :) :) :) From wild collected seeds, Spain, Leon, La Pola de Gordon. 1300m.
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:o :o :o minor is the word for it!!
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:D Tatsuo, your narcissus are always on short stems, but that one is extreme! Do you think the stem will get longer?
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:o :o :o minor is the word for it!!
;) --- or perhaps ' Yellow Submarine '
Gerd
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JJA702.305 is flowering here too, at about 5-6 cm. It's a beauty.
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Thank you, all :)
:D Tatsuo, your narcissus are always on short stems, but that one is extreme! Do you think the stem will get longer?
Yes I think so, Anne. Probably the stem will get longer.
JJA702.305 is flowering here too, at about 5-6 cm. It's a beauty.
Ashley, is yours upward facing flower, too?
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Couple for today. Snowed in with about 8 inches. Predicted the "biggest blizzard ever" Just didn't happen. Further up the coast it was a true blizzard around Boston.
Close up of the hairs on the tip of the stigma.
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Narcissus minor, JJA702.305 again. 2 days passed from the previous post. The stem is gradually getting longer as annew mentioned and lying down on soil surface...
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Narcissus romieuxii-I think
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Narcissus cordubensis
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Narcissus cantabricus, initially appeared in a pot of Iris narbutii. Seems to multiply quickly, had only 3 flowers last year.