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Title: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Andrew on January 22, 2008, 04:32:19 PM
The first of my Juno's have opened, Iris aucheri 'Snow Princess'

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and a flower closeup.

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Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on January 22, 2008, 06:39:13 PM
That's a lovely flower Andrew and on a very well grown plant.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: udo on February 06, 2008, 12:36:28 PM
my first Juno for this spring

Juno nicolai
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on February 11, 2008, 07:24:47 PM
some Juno svetlanae are in flower now
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Paul T on February 11, 2008, 09:35:02 PM
Juno,

That nicholai is just lovely.  Wonderful colour combination.

Gerhard

Nice svetlanae too!!
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Susan Band on February 12, 2008, 04:32:33 PM
Here is a couple of newly bought (in the autumn) Junos. Enjoy while you can, they might not survive the Scottish rain til next year :-\
Iris rosenbachiana no 2 from Bonderenko
Iris rosenbachiana Torvil Dara from Ruksans
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on February 12, 2008, 04:47:08 PM
@Susan: If you want to keep them alive, it`s mayby better to cover them (protection -rain) or to pot them and raise indoor ?

pict of Juno kuschakewiczii
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on February 12, 2008, 07:25:45 PM
Here is a couple of newly bought (in the autumn) Junos. Enjoy while you can, they might not survive the Scottish rain til next year :-\
Iris rosenbachiana no 2 from Bonderenko
Iris rosenbachiana Torvil Dara from Ruksans


Oooooooh, I like Torvil Dara, what a lovely colour.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Susan Band on February 12, 2008, 08:55:00 PM
Gerhard,
 I am saving up for a state of the art polytunnel with a double skin and sides that drop down. I am hoping that  will be perfect for Junos and other bulbs that flower early. Until then they will have to make do along with everything else in the gritty beds outside.
David,
Torval dara is prehaps a bit darker than shown, the sun was striking it ( I know a rare phenonena around here)
Thanks to all you europeans sending your lovely weather over here for a few days, it makes a lovely change. Spring is in the air.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Paul T on February 13, 2008, 05:31:49 AM
Stunning flowers.  I do hope I can work out the whole juno thing and manage to grow them successfully.  I can feel another addiction coming on if I do!!  ;D
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: udo on February 25, 2008, 05:44:20 PM
good in flower this year,
Juno rosenbachiana from Tovil-Dara
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 25, 2008, 07:27:48 PM
Dirk, it's b e a u t i f u l !!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on February 25, 2008, 07:39:00 PM
WOW again!!
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on February 25, 2008, 09:42:17 PM
Quote
Juno rosenbachiana from Tovil-Dara

Dirk, such an Iris one would spot at 200 meters, and have a run for it.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Paul T on February 27, 2008, 08:59:18 AM
A wow from me as well!!  :)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: dominique on February 27, 2008, 09:06:42 AM
great species these Juno. Bravo Dirk and thanks
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: udo on March 01, 2008, 06:47:54 PM
one of the latest Juno rosenbachiana,
the form from Harangon in Tadjikistan

Juno stenophylla from Turkey
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: tonyg on March 05, 2008, 11:32:57 PM
A behind the scenes visit to Kew yielded a few nice Junos.  The collection is still in the care of Tony Hall so the plants are mostly in excellent condition.... (unlike their crocuses :'() 

Iris vicaria -2 forms
Iris warleyensis - one of my all time favourite plants.
Iris wilmottiana
Iris fosteriana
Iris galatica
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: DaveM on March 06, 2008, 06:15:49 PM
Admittedly, not quite in such good condition, but here's a few pix of Europe's only Juno - Iris planifolia - in the wild, photographed last week in the Benaojan-Montejaque area, near Ronda, in S Spain. Spot the odd white one?
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 06, 2008, 08:02:34 PM
Tony - wonderful Juno's !!!  8)

Dave - stunning pix - they never look better than in the wild now do they ! :o
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on March 06, 2008, 08:55:37 PM
David, how super to see these....seems like your trip went well and weather was great for these lovely photos!
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Paul T on March 07, 2008, 12:12:03 AM
Tony,

Fantastic pics!!  Excellent!!!  8)

Dave,

Great to see them in the wild.  Do you have a pic of the white one as well?
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Andrew on March 07, 2008, 08:50:44 AM
Firstly an apology for not taking the photo's sooner, I'll try better next year ;).

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My pot of I. willmottiana,

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and close-up, looking like Tony's above so should be correct. Now a couple forms of I. aucheri.

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Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 07, 2008, 09:21:58 AM
Outstanding Andrew - you have us all drooling again.  ;D


Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on March 07, 2008, 09:35:43 AM
Andrew, you certainly grow a very good Juno
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Andrew on March 07, 2008, 02:35:18 PM
Thank you both, hopefully there will be a few more to flower :).
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Rafa on March 07, 2008, 02:48:46 PM
Amazing pics guys!

I think this is Iris bucharica
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on March 07, 2008, 04:20:11 PM
Dear Rafa,

in my opinion your plant belong to I. vicaria.It is too early for J. bucharica.There is only one clone which looks very pale: J. bucharica `Swan Wings`

Here a ident plant: J. vicaria `Hodji-obi-garm`

best Gerhard
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Rafa on March 07, 2008, 06:38:27 PM
Thank you for the ID Gerhard, I am agree with you they are the same clone.

Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 09, 2008, 08:46:17 PM
For Heaven's sake! I missed this topic altogether and many thanks Maggi for drawing my attention to it. Don't know how it happened as I look at EVERY new topic and notify the ones I want to keep on board.

Fabulous plants and pictures from everyone, a great pleasure to see them all. The KEW plants are outstanding as is to be expected from Tony Hall. Thanks especially for those Tony (G).

Dave, I suppose you'll be going back at seed time?  ;D Or anyone in Spain? All mine come from either Tony at Kew (but not including planifolia) or from eastern European sources which tend to have the western/central Asian species rather than the single European. My two batches from AGS seed both turned out to be white magnificas. I'd love a chance to try planifolia from seed.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Hans A. on March 10, 2008, 10:36:56 AM
 :o :o :o - wow - which breathtaking pics!- just great - congatulations and thanks to all ! :D
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: DaveM on March 10, 2008, 08:28:13 PM
Sorry to disappoint, Lesley, no plans to go back to the area in the near future, though I guess there will be plenty of other good things to see over the next month or so. The I planifolias start flowering early, maybe as early as December. Some of the populations we saw were in a more advanced stage than those in the photos, but I didn't seen any seed (nor from last year). Also, not sure when the best time would be: need someone local perhaps??? It was fabulous to see all those iris, with the low, late afternoon light shining upon them..........

Paul, sorry, no pic of the white ones - only sporadic ones seen at a distance.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Hans A. on March 10, 2008, 09:05:01 PM
I just can show a white planifolia in cultivation - it flowered here in november. It is just a shadow of the beautyful plants Dave showed in their habitat.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Paul T on March 11, 2008, 01:40:02 AM
Hans,

well it is a very nice shadow if that is the case.  ;D  Thanks again for showing us the wild ones Dave. 8)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on March 11, 2008, 03:54:23 PM
2 weeks ago.....
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 11, 2008, 03:58:17 PM
A beauty glowing in the dark Gerhard  8)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on March 11, 2008, 11:42:29 PM
Hi, Folks! Here is a photo of iris tubergeniana, sent to me by Sam Sutherland of the Stirling Group.
Sam dropped by yesterday and told me he has every intention of registering for the Forum.... soon  :D
We will hold you to that, Sam!!
Iris tubergeniana.... note the neat white edge to the leaves........ bet it took Sam ages to paint those!! ;) :o ::)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 12, 2008, 02:52:06 AM
I'm hopeful my seedlings will flower next year. It will be their 5th. Next spring rather, later this year.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Susan Band on March 12, 2008, 07:16:56 AM
Lovely, such a clear delicate yellow.
Susan
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on March 17, 2008, 08:32:05 PM
Anyone remember me buying a pot of Iris bucharica for £1 from a garden centre clearance sale last April? Well it spent nearly all of last year's wet summer on my patio before I moved it into the greenhouse in late August. In September I decided to have a go at re-potting it and whilst I was at it I split into four pots which all went back on the patio. It was my intention to plant three of the pots into the garden but I didn't get round to it. Here they are today:-

Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Paul T on March 17, 2008, 08:45:17 PM
David,

Well I at least remember your $1 trip last year (one doesn't forget frustrating things like that.  ;D).  It's great to see they've done so well for you..... they really are thriving aren't they?  Wish I could find them for a $1 here.  ::)

Really good to see a followup story like this, particularly when involving a marked down rescue plant.  They certainly do look like they're happy with you!!  ;)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on March 17, 2008, 08:53:07 PM
Paul, as it says on my signature line 'more enthusiasm than skill-but learning' ! ;D
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Paul T on March 17, 2008, 09:00:25 PM
And when you stop learning you'll be dead!!  If not physically then mentally!!  ;D

Personally I reckon that rescue plants are even more fun, because you're bringing something back from a certain death.  Something like that that thrives is a job well done!!  :D
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Andrew on March 21, 2008, 04:18:20 PM
As promised, a couple more.
Firstly I. magnifica

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and this is I. willmottiana alba.

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Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on March 21, 2008, 04:31:36 PM
Delicious Andrew, the plants not you! ;D
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Hans A. on April 14, 2008, 10:34:42 PM
At the moment a small Juno with a beautyful colour is flowering: Iris caucasica ssp.turcica
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 15, 2008, 03:54:04 AM
A lovely iris Hans. :P
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on April 15, 2008, 09:55:21 AM
I like that one Hans. Dammit-I like 'em all! ;D
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 15, 2008, 10:07:31 AM
mine makes it 3 votes in favour Hans !  ;)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Hans A. on April 15, 2008, 04:43:28 PM
Lesley, David and Luc - thank you - this is not the most striking species but I also like it very much and I am glad it likes my local conditions. :D
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Kenneth K on April 20, 2008, 03:41:20 PM
Iris willmottiana is a native of Central Asia. Phillips&Rix says it is worth trying in good soil outside, preferably where it will become rather dry in summer. In spite of the rainy summer last year it is still OK. I hope for a better summer this year!
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 20, 2008, 07:10:54 PM
Great to see Wilmottiana outside Kenneth..  I've been hesitating to try it - I think I will now I see you succeed in Sweden.
And I share your wish for a good summer  ;)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Susan Band on April 29, 2008, 07:40:29 AM
A good hybrid Juno which as you can see doesn't mind growing outside in the rain.
Iris Argument.
Susan
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Susan Band on April 29, 2008, 09:25:06 AM
Another good hybrid, standing 70cm tall. Russian Kavelguard
Susan
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on April 29, 2008, 11:00:21 AM
Lovely Junos Kenneth and Susan, maybe I stand a chance outside too!
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 29, 2008, 10:19:40 PM
I think many more are growable outside than we have realized. Certainly (provided plenty material is available) it's worth trying any of the species or hybrids that grow with recognizable stems. Sun and good drainage are the most important things and maybe some lime and a deepish soil, to accomodate the thong roots.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Miriam on June 29, 2008, 05:38:23 PM
Hi everyone,
I am Miriam from Israel. I am an ASI member but I am interested in all Iris species.
Here is the Iris palaestina that flowered last January in my garden.

All the best,
Miriam
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: tonyg on June 29, 2008, 06:05:47 PM
A beautiful iris Miriam.  Thank you for sharing this with us. 
Not an easy plant to grow here in the UK, and I would guess not very frost hardy.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Hans A. on June 29, 2008, 07:00:04 PM
Hello Miriam,
nice to have you here, in this forum are a lot of excellent Irisgrower of (nearly?) all sections and apart of this specialist in nearly all other type of plants existing on the world.
Very beautiful Iris palaestiana you show. I always have problems to remember what differences there were between the very similar species I.palaestina and I.planifolia ...  :P
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Miriam on June 29, 2008, 08:13:16 PM
Thanks Hans :)
Did you see the email that I sent to you?
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on June 29, 2008, 08:16:56 PM
Welcome Miriam, it's always nice to see Irises I haven't a chance of growing in my climate.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on June 29, 2008, 08:17:20 PM
Hello, Miriam, a warm welcome to the Forum!  You will find many Iris -lovers here and many who will really enjoy finding out what you grow and to see photos of your fine Iris.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 29, 2008, 10:15:02 PM
A warm welcome to the Forum from New Zealand Miriam. And thanks for your beautiful Iris picture, one I've not seen before. The blue on white shading is deliciously cool! 8) I hope you will post many more pictures in coming months especially as Israel and that general part of the Middle East is the home of some fabulous oncocyclus species as well as junos. Hopefully, you'll be able to show us some of those too?
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Miriam on June 29, 2008, 11:02:03 PM
Thank you all for the warm welcome.
I attached some photos of the Irises that flowered this year in my garden.

Miriam

 Iris atropurpurea
 Iris_atropurpurea
 
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Hans A. on June 29, 2008, 11:28:41 PM
Wow :o - what beauties, Miriam -this are all species which I missed in the thread "oncos in flower" ;)
Thanks for you mail. :D
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 29, 2008, 11:40:24 PM
Gorgeous plants - thanks you Miriam. Some of us on this wonderful Forum might think of these as like being put in a room with lots of luscious, cream-filled cakes. ;D :P ;D :P ;D
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Paul T on June 30, 2008, 02:19:39 AM
Miriam,

Welcome. Stunning pics, particularly the delicacy of markings on the haynei.  Wow!!! :o
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: fermi de Sousa on June 30, 2008, 08:53:53 AM
Thank you for your posts, Miriam!
The iris are magical.
I look forward to more pics from your part of the world.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: arillady on June 30, 2008, 10:10:03 AM
I add my welcome to those on this forum to Miriam who I have already welcomed to ASI.
Thought I would show you my Iris planifolia which is flowering with these darker flowers at the moment whereas the early June bloom was an allover lavender (like the standards in this photo). Grown from seed.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 30, 2008, 10:37:26 PM
That is a lovely form Pat, and earlier than mine which is currently frozen.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Paul T on July 01, 2008, 12:08:39 AM
Very very nice Pat.

Here, my Iris graberiana and I. wilmottiana have shoots just below the surface (I couldn't help myself and had to check yesterday), so I will have shoots shortly.  Yeah!!  I do so hope both of them flower, so that I have at least seen a juno iris flower in my own garden.  ;D  Of course the difficulty then is to get them to repeat it next year.  ;)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Rafa on July 01, 2008, 10:36:15 PM
Congratulations Pat, this is a species that I always miss collecting every year ??? I don't know how, but even the friends who lives in the provinces (where it is a plague ;D), never get there at the precise moment to collect seeds.

Miriam, very glad to see you here!!, precisely Iris planifolia is one of the species that I will send you next week. It is quite hardier than Iris palestina. Fabulous pictures :o :o
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: arillady on July 02, 2008, 01:26:11 AM
Rafa I did do a little daubing the other day so I will keep my fingeres crossed.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Miriam on July 02, 2008, 02:15:58 PM
Pat...it is a beautiful Iris!

Rafa,Thank you very much :)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Hans A. on July 04, 2008, 07:53:36 AM
Pat - nice to see your I. planifolia on the other side of the world - here everything is dry - but in  4 or 5 months the first planifolias should start to flower here again. :D
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: arillady on July 16, 2008, 09:37:48 AM
I'd just like to add that my clump of Iris planifolia has two more blooms. From early June till now. It certainly has a long flowering period.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on July 16, 2008, 11:43:03 AM
I'd just like to add that my clump of Iris planifolia has two more blooms. From early June till now. It certainly has a long flowering period.

A good example to counter the complaint that Irises have too short a season, Pat!
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 16, 2008, 10:35:01 PM
I can't BELIEVE such a complaint. It is possible to have irises in flower for 10 or even 11 months of the year. Much longer than roses, dahlias, crocus, daffodils, galanthus and almost anything else. So there :o
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Joakim B on July 16, 2008, 11:34:36 PM
Lesley the complaint might be that the same plant generally does not flower for a long time so having a huge group of one plant might not be that fun.
That is offcourse why one should have mixed plantings, either by other irises or other plants.
Winter blooming plants tend to last longer than summer blooming plants unless the bad weather hits them.

I bet You knew this already but this is one more reason to plant more irises rather than less :)
(says the egg to the hen)
Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 17, 2008, 01:35:47 AM
Yes Joakim, I did realize that, but I judge a genus in its entirety rather than a single example of it. After all, one crocus doesn't flower for long either, or one narcissus.

Not only can one have irises almost all year round, they can be of ANY colour from black to white, including greys, browns and all kinds of subtle combinations; every height from 3-4 cms up to a metre or more; in many different shapes and textures; for hot, dry, cold, wet positions etc etc etc. All of which makes Iris my favourite of all genera.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Hans A. on July 17, 2008, 08:13:55 AM
I am still looking for a late summer flowering iris species - when I remeber well the Iris relative Dietes bicolor were the only one which flowered in this time for me.
A "flowering longtime record" got one Iris paradoxa this year - first flower opened in November  - last in June with a main season in march and april - oncoflowers of one single plant in a period of 6 months!. For me still unbelievable...
This should be impossible with Junos, to have a Junoclump flowering for over one month is spectacular - Congartulations Pat.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Joakim B on July 17, 2008, 09:04:58 AM
Lesley I totally agree and must add that the foliage can be dramatic if it has other things around with less foliage but with flower. The problem if people only have one big bunch of bearded iris with nothing more it can be a bit boring. (It is easily fixed though)

Hans I am surprised that there are not more repeat blooming irises here in Portugal. I am thinking on the bearded ones. The ones they grow here are earlier than many and should have "time" for a second bloom. Weather being perfect for them. The typical here are pure white and pure "black" both nicely fragered. (Sorry that I spoke of bearded here but I thought it was of relevance to the lack of late bloomers

I do not know how it is Spain.

Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Paul T on July 17, 2008, 11:48:36 AM
Lesley,

And once they get a true red someone will have a goldmine.  The only missing colour in beardeds at least, but they're getting closer and closer. I know, purists would hate it etc, but it is still interesting to see how they gradually work their way around to something that doesn't occur naturally.  :-\

Hans,

That sounds like an amazingly long time for any iris.  Was the weather unusual, which extended the season by constantly reshooting or re-triggering buds?

And pleased to report that both my junos have shoots just above the ground now.  Yeah!!!!!!!!!  Courtesy of Marcus Harvery's wonderful catalogues of course.  This time I hope I can keep them growing too!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 17, 2008, 09:31:46 PM
As Joakim says Hans, there are the "remontant" or re-blooming tall beared forms now which flower in  late summer through autumn. They come in more and more colours each year. I have a very pretty soft pinky-apricot form. Then the rather large and vigourous "Louisianas" will usually give flowers in late summer. My climate is too summer dry for them to flourish. I get masses of foliage but few flower stems. But they're spectacular when they're happy. Nothing can compare though, with reticulatas, junos and oncos.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 17, 2008, 09:42:24 PM
Paul, I read somewhere that the genes for primary red and primary blue are missing from Iris, so I guess that if there comes a true red, we'll know someone has been doing a little GM on the sly. For my part I can live without it. The current reds are close enough.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Hans A. on July 18, 2008, 11:36:03 PM
Thanks Lesley - perhaps I should prepare a small Lousiana - swamp here ::) -  larger Beared Iris would not fit in my small garden which is mainly occupied by reticulatas, junos and oncos. ;)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Paul T on July 19, 2008, 12:28:54 PM
Hans,

I wouldn't call Louisiannas "small", in fact I'm certain that they would spread to cover ground much quicker than a bearded iris.  Much later flowers, different form to them, and can live in swamp conditions, but not much smaller in height, and probably wider.  I grow mine in pots in an artificial pond, but because I haven't repotted them in years they rarely flower.  To me, they need more physical space than a bearded iris because they tend to travel further.  Very, very nice flowers though.  A mass in full flower is spectacular. :o

lesley,

I'm surprised that primary blue isn't represented in iris.  There are mid blues that are real blue, to me far closer to blue than the reds I've seen (although they're probably older reds) are close to red, if you know what I mean. :-\
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Hans A. on July 19, 2008, 04:03:25 PM
Paul - you are certainly right - Lousiana Iris are not small  - I just thought about a small atrifical swamp for them (but I have no space  left at all  :-\)
I have no explication for the large flowering period of this Iris paradoxa - sometimes I think there are no rules for Oncos- most are completly dormant - some start to show new shoots and other are still (!) completly green, why ever.
In difference all the Junos are dormant.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 20, 2008, 10:28:38 PM
Paul, if you look at a great many blue irises, I think the closest to true, primary blue would be I. histrioides and even that, is not "true" (as in Gentiana verna) blue.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Paul T on July 20, 2008, 11:57:19 PM
Lesley,

I know what you mean.  I was just meaning that a lot of the pale blues really are blue, with little or no purple/mauve influence.  They aren't true cobalt or true deep blue, but they are a real blue to my eye at least.  To me they're much closer than any of the supposed red's I've seen, which all have a big pink influence in them to my eye.

Even the good old Iris retic 'Harmony' is pretty pure in the blue department.  I hadn't been thinking about the little-uns when I wrote, more thinking of the beardeds.  Certainly some of the smaller ones are purer in the darker blue colour ranges, that is for sure.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 21, 2008, 12:20:39 AM
And as we all know Paul, blue, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. There are thousands of shades of every colour I guess, even white and black! We all need a wide and imaginative/creative vocabulary too. Otherwise we become that person who, asked if she grows irises, says "yes, I have the yelllow one."
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on July 21, 2008, 02:57:08 PM
Quote
Otherwise we become that person who, asked if she grows irises, says "yes, I have the yelllow one."
Yup, I have the yellow one, too!! ;)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 21, 2008, 09:19:43 PM
Probably the blue one as well Maggi.  :)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: arillady on August 24, 2008, 09:11:45 AM
Back to the clump of Iris planifolia: a grey blue flower appeared yesterday - so this clump has had a flower on and off since early June. Have not photographed it yet.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Jim McKenney on August 24, 2008, 08:45:41 PM
I am still looking for a late summer flowering iris species -

Hans, have you considered Iris dichotoma? Here in USDA zone 7 Maryland, USA, it does not begin to bloom until August; in fact, it is still in bloom today, or will be in about fifteen minutes local time. The flowers do not open until about 4 P.M. here and remain open into the evening - but are gone the following morning.

I've attached two images; the one which shows the entire above ground part of the plant is not quite in sharp focus, but will give you a good idea of how it grows. Also, I forgot to change the exposure setting from incandescent light for this outdoor photo, so the color is falsely skewed to blue. The image of the flower itself shows the true color.

This species is quick and easy from seed. The plant reaches about 60 cm in height with individual flowers about 5 cm in diameter.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 24, 2008, 09:17:01 PM
I take it from your comments Jim that Iris dichotoma sets plenty of seed? Is some likely to make its way to the seed list of SRGC and AGS? This is an iris I don't know at all but your pictures are beautiful. Perhaps it's not frequently seen because would-be growers are discouraged by the late-in-the-day blooming. But it would be nice in a clump near that little spot on the verandah where one has one's evening G and T. :D
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Jim McKenney on August 24, 2008, 09:50:13 PM
I take it from your comments Jim that Iris dichotoma sets plenty of seed? Is some likely to make its way to the seed list of SRGC and AGS?

Leslie, the clump I have now is evidently a clone and has not set seed in recent years.

I have some seed in the refrigerator (not freezer) from a few seasons ago. I checked my seed index and discovered that it had never been recorded, but I'm sure it's there somewhere. If I can find it I'll be glad to share it.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 25, 2008, 01:56:08 AM
That's would be great Jim. I'm sure several people would be interested. It almost looks like something else - Tigridia/Moraea/Gynandiris etc. I see Mathew puts it in a separate monotypical genus, Pardanthopsis which he says is more closely related to Belamcanda than Iris. Whatever, I think it's beautiful.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Jim McKenney on August 25, 2008, 02:20:08 AM
It almost looks like something else - Tigridia/Moraea/Gynandiris etc. I see Mathew puts it in a separate monotypical genus, Pardanthopsis which he says is more closely related to Belamcanda than Iris.

Views of the limits of the genus Iris vary of course, but in the old days it was indeed often called Pardanthopsis dichotoma. More modern works place it in Iris. And here is something interesting from a nomenclatural point of view. How many of you know the plants sometimes called "candy lilies" which began to become widely available several decades ago? At the time, they were announced as "bi-generic hybrids" of Pardanthopsis dichotoma and Belamcanda chinensis. The nothogenus xPardancanda was coined for this hybrid group with the nothospecific epithet norrisii, thus xPardancanda norrisii

Since then, as mentioned above, Pardanthopsis is now Iris dichotoma and - surprise - Belamcanda is now Iris domestica.  So the candy lilies are no longer bi-generic hybrids.

And what should we call then now: Iris x norrisii?

Whatever we call them, they are well worth growing. Old seed lists from the early part of the last century listed pink and white forms of Iris dichotoma. I wonder if these still exist?
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 25, 2008, 04:24:45 AM

 And here is something interesting from a nomenclatural point of view. How many of you know the plants sometimes called "candy lilies" which began to become widely available several decades ago? At the time, they were announced as "bi-generic hybrids" of Pardanthopsis dichotoma and Belamcanda chinensis. The nothogenus xPardancanda was coined for this hybrid group with the nothospecific epithet norrisii, thus xPardancanda norrisii

Whatever we call them, they are well worth growing. Old seed lists from the early part of the last century listed pink and white forms of Iris dichotoma. I wonder if these still exist?

I've never heard of these. I find Belamcanda chinensis gets its foliage frosted here.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on August 26, 2008, 08:10:55 PM
Apart from a few Iris bucharica that I grow outside in pots (although I may put a couple in the garden this year!) I don't have a lot of experience with Junos. A local chap, I have recently made contact with, has  a friend who grows a few species and he  has offered me a couple of bulbs (don't know what species yet apart from the fact that they will not be I. bucharica) but I am assuming they will be more difficult and probably best grown under glass. I have read that they are best in deep clay pots. Would the experts agree, and what size pot would be best please?

At the same time if anyone knows how to make an 8' x 6' aluminium greenhouse double the size without (a) it costing money and (b) it taking up more space than it currently takes up, then I would be glad to know that as well ;D
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on August 26, 2008, 08:42:07 PM
For iris a pot about 5 to six inches across the top by about ten inches deep is good...( suppose that is 13 to 15 cms by 25cms deep) .... if you can find them... we have some old ones in nice terracotta... bit hard to post to Devon though, you'll need to come visiting....though why I would welcome you when you've called me a strawberry tart, I can't imagine.... my hair is dark auburn, anyway, I've never been a strawberry blonde  :o
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: ranunculus on August 26, 2008, 08:47:46 PM
At the same time if anyone knows how to make an 8' x 6' aluminium greenhouse double the size without (a) it costing money and (b) it taking up more space than it currently takes up, then I would be glad to know that as well ;D


Dig down David ... dig down!
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on August 26, 2008, 09:17:26 PM
For iris a pot about 5 to six inches across the top by about ten inches deep is good...( suppose that is 13 to 15 cms by 25cms deep) .... if you can find them... we have some old ones in nice terracotta... bit hard to post to Devon though, you'll need to come visiting....though why I would welcome you when you've called me a strawberry tart, I can't imagine.... my hair is dark auburn, anyway, I've never been a strawberry blonde  :o

Moi! Noooooooooooo :P

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on August 26, 2008, 09:28:38 PM
Cliff, since Maureen doesn't read the Forum I can safely say I would be prepared to pay for a larger greenhouse (for a Yorkshireman that's a serious admission to make!) but the problem is space. I garden on the steep south escarpment of Dartmoor, (and have had one leg surgically shortened so I can walk on the level) and a few years ago, when I was a bit younger and fitter than I am now, I undertook a mammoth terracing job, where I used more skips than Paul's kangeroos, in order to create a flat space to have a greenhouse at all. Also, and more to the point, the next nearest approximation to a level site is the place where Maureen has her washing line, and you know how particular women are over things like washing lines :-X
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Otto Fauser on September 11, 2008, 07:57:39 AM
Here are some junos from Otto's garden today. Iris zenaidae then a hybrid from Janis Ruksans, called 'Skyline.'



Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on September 11, 2008, 09:26:52 AM
Nice ones Otto.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: arillady on September 11, 2008, 09:53:40 AM
Lovely junos Otto.
By the way I heard about the cottage garden club visiting you recently when I had dinner with Sue and Mike Perkins.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Paul T on September 11, 2008, 10:05:47 AM
Otto,

They're both beauties!!  I am SO looking forward to meeting you and seeing your garden this weekend.  I can't wait!! 8)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Hans A. on September 12, 2008, 04:08:34 PM
Otto, thanks for showing this beauties!
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Paul T on September 21, 2008, 11:49:14 AM
Howdy All,

Here's a couple of pics I took of some of the Junos in Otto's garden when I was there.    So lovely to see them all in person..... the are such striking iris!!  8)


I also have Iris graberiana 'White Falls' that opened for me here today (my first Juno to flower, ever) but it wasn't open enough to photograph, and I doubt I'll get to see it fully open in good enough light to photograph it this week as I'll be at work until late afternoon each day.  ::)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on September 21, 2008, 12:49:46 PM
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh!!
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Paul T on September 21, 2008, 12:55:46 PM
David,

Sounds like you're in pain.  Should I remove the photos then? ;)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on September 21, 2008, 01:08:25 PM
Pleasure not pain Paul. Beautiful.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on September 21, 2008, 02:03:46 PM
Wonderful show Paul !  So nice to see them grown outside.  We can only dream of this out here !
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Hans A. on November 01, 2008, 04:50:59 PM
Today the first Iris planifolia started to flower in my garden :)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on November 01, 2008, 06:37:51 PM
Lovely Juno Hans.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Miriam on November 01, 2008, 09:56:17 PM
Beautiful Hans!
The Iris-mania has started in the northern hemisphere 8) ;D
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: arillady on November 01, 2008, 10:19:20 PM
Hans I started collecting ripe pods of Iris planifolia today!!!
Lots of seeds in each pod with a few more to collect.
Pat
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Paul T on November 02, 2008, 12:05:18 AM
Pat,

Do you reckon you could spare a few seeds to send my way?  I'm only starting into Junos as yet, but have magnifica alba growing happily along from seed so I am doing something right!  ;)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: arillady on November 02, 2008, 09:36:55 AM
Sure Paul I can save some seeds for you. I am heading off to the Mornington Peninusula for the heritage rose conference Monday week so this week is getting my talk together and organising pots, watering etc. etc - so the seeds will not get posted for a little while.
Pat
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Paul T on November 02, 2008, 10:26:45 AM
Pat,

I'm assuming that it would be sown in autumn anyway, or should it be sown relatively quickly?  Either way, I doubt a few weeks will matter in the slightest!  ;D  THANK YOU!!

P.S.  Good luck with the rose conference.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Otto Fauser on November 03, 2008, 05:19:57 AM
Hans I started collecting ripe pods of Iris planifolia today!!!
Lots of seeds in each pod with a few more to collect.
Pat
Pat , would there be a few seeds of Iris planifolia left for me too? Any chance to visit me next week , while attending the Rose Conference on the Mornington Peninsula ? Olinda and Mornington are only one hour apart in the car.After my hospital stay, I spent a few days at my cousin's home , on the waters edge , overlooking the ocean, with a glass of wine, in the town of Mornington.
     it would be great to meet you in person,
                 Otto.


Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 03, 2008, 08:32:39 AM
Welcome "home" Otto !!  :D
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: arillady on November 03, 2008, 09:59:16 AM
Hey Otto lovely to hear that you are well on the road to recovery and I would love to meet in person.
There is 4 of us travelling from SA (one is the editor of the RNRS Historic Roses journal) so if you don't mind a few extras. We are visiting John Nieuwesteeg and also Rob Peace - JN on Thursday and maybe Rob on the following morning. So a.m. Thursday 13th maybe or the afternoon before?
Pat
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Hans A. on November 03, 2008, 10:36:15 AM
Thanks to all! :D

The Iris-mania has started in the northern hemisphere 8) ;D

yesssssssssss ;D - earlier than expected - it is the first time this particular plant flowers so early even if this is a autumn flowering form - lets see which iris will be the next one - in my garden it could be Iris paradoxa! ::) :o

Welcome back, Otto! :D
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Hans A. on November 08, 2008, 10:16:46 PM
Even if I have shown this plant earlier I hope it is ok to post it again as it has opend some more buds - today it had open 8 flowers - and this will not be the last ones. :)

Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 09, 2008, 10:43:57 AM
A wonderful clump Hans !   :o :o
It's obvious it really enjoys the outdoors in your climate !

Do you know if I. planifolia would tolerate our much wetter summers... and winters ???
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 09, 2008, 08:12:34 PM
A truly beautiful iris Hans. I hope you are hand-pollinating every one? Having said that, I read somewhere long ago that in the wild at least, if I. planifolia sets seed, the process uses so much enery that the bulb itself frequently dies. Perhaps in the garden, with better nutrition and care, this wouldn't happen.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Hans A. on November 10, 2008, 08:27:56 AM
Lesley and Luc, thanks for the comments :D

Luc – I think we have more rainfall here in winter than you in Belgium – but the summer is totally dry and here we have absolutly frost free conditions in winter - I have not heard about a cultivation of this species in the garden neither in Germany nor in Britain – it seems to be a typical greenhouse / bulbframe plant there.  Please correct me if I am wrong.

Lesley – this clump resulted of two bulbs I received a few years ago and I think it is all the same clone, there is no other Iris planifolia in flower actually  – so it is doubtfull it sets seeds –  in any case I and also some bees have tried to pollinate the flowers. ;)
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 10, 2008, 10:03:28 AM
thanks hans - if I find it I would like to try it (protected at first !)  ;) - it's a real beauty !
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on November 10, 2008, 09:23:34 PM
Lesley and Luc, thanks for the comments :D

Luc – I think we have more rainfall here in winter than you in Belgium – but the summer is totally dry and here we have absolutly frost free conditions in winter - I have not heard about a cultivation of this species in the garden neither in Germany nor in Britain – it seems to be a typical greenhouse / bulbframe plant there.  Please correct me if I am wrong.
Hans, I heard in Holland that there seem to be two types of this Iris.
The one from N. Africa is more hardy than the type from S. France.
I never had it to try, but your plant is really beautiful!
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Miriam on December 13, 2008, 11:08:28 AM
My first Iris-flower for this season that started to flower today : Iris palaestina.
This one is a bit yellowish and not white as I had last year.

Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on December 13, 2008, 12:14:39 PM
Looks really healthy Miriam, a lovely plant.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on December 13, 2008, 01:43:22 PM
The citrus colours and fresheness of the Iris  palaestina is cheering..... and looking so healthy, Thank you, Miriam!
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Paul T on December 13, 2008, 07:31:11 PM
Beautiful, Miriam.  Looks like they're very happy at your place.  ;D
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Jim McKenney on December 13, 2008, 10:07:13 PM
Very beautiful, Miriam.

What are the closest relatives of this species? Where does it fall in the overview of the Scorpiris group? Are there forms of this species from high elevations which will bloom later in the year?

We are just about to enter winter, and you already seem to have started spring!
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 13, 2008, 11:13:41 PM
Lovely to see this beautiful species and so healthy. Thank you Miriam.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: arillady on December 14, 2008, 12:46:04 AM
Yes Miriam what a lovely Juno and doing so well for you.
Pat
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Miriam on December 14, 2008, 03:15:42 PM
Thank you all :)

Jim,
I. palaestina is very similar to I. planifolia-they both have spiny pollen grains.
It grows in low altitudes in Israel, Lebanon and south Syria and it flowers in Decamber to January.

Here, the sun is always shining 8) ;D...particularly this year as we had very few rain and there is a drought :'(
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: arillady on December 14, 2008, 11:17:01 PM
Sounds similar climatic conditions to here in South Australia except for the 45ml of rain recently - deciding whether I need to dig rhizomes as the soil that might be touching the rhizomes and bulbs is warm and moist.
Pat :-\
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Otto Fauser on December 15, 2008, 11:23:10 AM
Thank you Miriam, for sharing the beautyful I. palaestina with us, if I remember
 rightly it is about the same colour as the one I flowered some 30 years ago, unfortunately the plants only lasted a few years and then succumbed to virus .
  Pat  , we had 125 ml. of rain in the last 2 days , but as it is cool and our soil
 naturally very well drained , I am not yet worried about the health of the dormant
bulbs in the open garden.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Hans A. on December 16, 2008, 10:43:39 AM
Wow Miriam, what a fine coloured Iris palaestina!  :o
Sometimes there are doubts if Iris palaestina and Iris planifolia are really two species as the differences between them are very small - but I doubt you ever will find an I. planifolia of this colour.
Thanks for sharing this picture.
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: Rafa on December 18, 2008, 10:07:03 PM
 :o Extremely beautiful Juno, Miriam and you have grown it perfectly!
Title: Re: Scorpiris (Juno's) Iris 2008
Post by: akoen on December 19, 2008, 03:59:37 PM
They are all so beautiful. Keep on posting.
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