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Bulbs => NARCISSUS => Topic started by: Lvandelft on January 12, 2008, 04:27:01 PM
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Today on only 300 m. from my house I made this picture of N. Rijnveld's Early Sensation.
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Here is my very small group of Cedric Morris which has been floering since before Xmas. Last year it stayed in perfect condition for 2 months what a star
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I meant to add this one in a trough facing the weather. last year it had 10 flowers and flowered in November. It is now a shadow of its former self. The bottom picture shows it last year. Is it trying to tell me something?
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too damp and cool last Summer, possibly?
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Thanks Luit and Ian for these two daffodils. Where can I buy (or by exchange) and find Cedric Morris ?
Ian, I see to day too Narcissus romieuxii in some subspecies or varieties. Marvellous at this time of the year. One of my mesatlanticus have a flower without corona and perianthe !!!
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I agree with David, Ian -
Funny season last year, with first the heat of March/April that made the bulbs go into dormancy much earlier than they should have, followed by the wet/chilly Summer instead of their preferred sunbaking regime. ???
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I would echo the thoughts of David and Luc. We have very few buds showing and I put this down to the lack of sumer baking.
It is a bit difficult to tell at the moment because of the very low temperatures that we have had for a month now, most unusual. Nothing is moving and I daren't water as I would normally be doing.
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I hope you are all right about the affect of last years weather on the narcissus as my ones in pots don't look too good either. Funnily enough my autumn crocus were also poor but the spring ones look more hopeful ??? Listening to others experience I am glad it isn't due entirely to my incompetence
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I would echo the thoughts of David and Luc. We have very few buds showing and I put this down to the lack of sumer baking.
Hello all, I can tell you that I grow mine in trays or pots outside with only lights on when lower than -3 C.
About the end of May I take the trays out and put them somewhere dry and warm (glasshouse out of sun or shed)
There the average temps duriong summer will be at least above 20 C. The end of September I replace them outside
into the soil, where they flower very well every year
Here's a picture from today, they started to flower in November.
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Hello all, I can tell you that I grow mine in trays or pots outside with only lights on when lower than -3 C.
About the end of May I take the trays out and put them somewhere dry and warm (glasshouse out of sun or shed)
There the average temps duriong summer will be at least above 20 C. The end of September I replace them outside
into the soil, where they flower very well every year
Here's a picture from today, they started to flower in November.
Luit,
it's impressive to see the results of controlled conditions during the resting stage even after a wet and cold summer.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Gerd
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For those who love Narcissus, here's an old picture from 1905.
It's from William Robinson's Flora and Sylva.
I put in a piece of interesting text too.
Would like to know if Lord Kitchener is still in cultivation? It was still in the seventies...!
Hope you like it.
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Very interesting post, Luit.
Isn't the quality of the illustration fabulous. Beats photography, I think.
Paddy
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Last week I showed Narcissus moschata (In the Mid-Winter-Fowershow) an today I saw at the weekly flowershow in Lisse this very old (probably) selection of it: N. W.P. Milner, which was already registered in 1869, and still in culture!
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Narcissus W. P. Milner is a favourite of mine. It is easier to grow and source, than N. moschatus and its strength as a good plant is obvious from its long life in cultivation and commerce. There are not so many varieties lasting so long. A real success story, isn't it?
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I like it also. It's available in all garden centres in the autumn
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Hello,
This is Narcissus muñozii-garmendiae growing at 1060m
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Rafa,
Qué bonita! First pic of a daffodil in its native environment for 2008.
Thank you!
Gerd
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Hello, This is Narcissus muñozii-garmendiae growing at 1060m
Blanchard uses the name Narcissus muñozii-garmendiae for what we now called Narcissus x susannae (triandrus x cantabricus). Has this changed?
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Thank you!
Narcissus muñozii-garmediae has been named many times as Narcissus hispanicus, Narcissus pseudonarcissus etc.., but always in his section Pseudonarcissus.
Narcissus x susannae is now changed to Narcissus x litigiosus del Amo, who previously named this crosses between N. cantabricus and N. triandrus ssp. pallidulus. Botanist have descrived some variants: N. x litigiosus var. toletanus / N. x litigiosus var. granatensis/ N. x litigiosus var. montelianus.... maybe more.
This species N. muñozii-garmendiae is micro-endemic from Sierra Madrona, in Ciudad Real province (Castilla la Mancha Region). This year I will try again to collect seeds, but there are so many deers, roe deer, mountain goats, wild board that usually eat all the capsules.
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You're a real star Rafa. 8) What a lovely wee narcissus. :)
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Hello Rafa,
thanks for your explanations - interesting. I have a cultivar called "N. pseudonarcissus hispanicus" in my garden but I was told the origin of this species is totally unclear... Another source said it is an very old cultivar from the middle age... Another one it is probably a selection of pseudonacissus...
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Hello,
Some pics of Narcissus x litigiosus (old Narcissus x susannae) from my friend Gerd
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First Narcissus for me.
Narcissus romieuxii 'Julia Jane'
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Lovely to see some Narcissus this year, especially Rafa's in the wild. I have 3 pots in flower in the alpine house but the weather is too dismal to take a decent picture.
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Thank you Raf for these pics which make me dream
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Narcissus x susannae is now changed to Narcissus x litigiosus del Amo, who previously named this crosses between N. cantabricus and N. triandrus ssp. pallidulus. Botanist have descrived some variants: N. x litigiosus var. toletanus / N. x litigiosus var. granatensis/ N. x litigiosus var. montelianus.... maybe more.
Thanks, Rafa for explaining this change in naming. And thanks for showing a picture of N x litigiosus. Is this plant in the wild or cultivation? It shows more influence from N cantabricus than triandrus. Does N x litigiosus describe all hybrids of N cantabricus and any triandrus or just with triandrus ssp pallidulus. Do you know the difference between the variants you name? Are they from different areas or showing different morphological features? This is one of my all time favourite plants and one I try to create but I do not find I get N cantabricus and triandrus to flower at the same time.
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Thanks to all
Diane,
This plant is a cultivated plant, Gerd gave me some bulbs last year. In some days I will post pictures from about 8 Narcissus growing together in the same place including N x litigiosus. Normally (I think) Narcissus cantabricus is the receptor in that hybridation maybe this can explain the percentage in characters. But in the case of var toletanus is a variant is more close to N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus:
"Narcissus x susannae Fernández Casas nm. toletanus Fernández Casas & Luceño, nm. nov.
(N. cantabricus x N. pallidulus). A N. susannae typico, flore reflexo luteolento cuque
estigmate exerto, praecipue differt."
All Narcissus x litigiosus are hibrids between N. cantabricus and N. triandrus ssp. pallidulus, and I think all those variants tell us the forms that occurs in that areas with different genetic percentages.
For example, Narcissus x litigiosus var. granatensis was considered by some authors as a Narcissus graellsii var. granatensis, and this could done an idea of how different could be classic N. x litigiosus deppending the genetic percentage in the hybridation.
Maybe you can dry the pollen and keep in the fridge to make crosses?
Note I saw some articles and Narcissus x sussanae var. montielanus is now considered as Narcissus x montielanus (N. blancoi x N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus)
Narcissus x montielanus = Narcissus x cazorlanus (N. hedraeanthus x N. triandrus ssp. pallidulus)
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Uau! Very nice shots of Narcissus!
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Narcissus 'December Gold' is nearly past its best now. It WAS in flower during December - honest! This is a 'new' names form, I don't know if the name has been registered ..... now who can check that for me (you know who you are!!)
It's a beauty, with really good golden yellow flowers, not as intense as the N bulbocodiums of spring but better than most of the so-called yellows of the winter brigade. Very close in colour to N 'Atlas Gold' but twicw the size and seems vigorous.
Form an orderly queue please :) :)
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Tony I would like to be first in the queue :o
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and me second.
Are you referring to Brian Duncan to check for you?
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No Mark - you seem to have the answers most of the time ;)
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I didn't realize December could be as golden yellow as this !
Beautiful ! 8)
Is there any more room in the queu ? :-\
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See http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registerpages/daffdetails.asp?ID=59772
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very soft and fine ! felicitations Tony and I would be naturallly the third !
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Ray gave me a pot of December Gold in flower last week,it is very nice and seems to multiply well.
I suppose this fits my theory - one to spare is one to share
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Thanks Anne - so many helpful folk out there, good job they're not all lazy so-and-sos like me!
My December Gold came from the same source via a mutual friend, looks like it will soon be more widely grown.
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I see from the Daff register page that December Gold was first flowered in 1982 though only registered last year, so it seems Mr Cobb has been cautious about seeing if this was a good doer before registering it. If he has let some of it go before naming, of course, that'll be a another pickle for folks to get into! Who'd be a parent?? :P
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I've got Narcissus zaianicus lutescens x catabricus flowering right now - a bit drawn to the light though - it's been so damn dull over the past few weeks - fortunately we had some sun today at last :D
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That's a lovely hybrid, Luc. Did you make the cross yourself?
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Thanks Anne, but no I didn't do the cross myself - I got one bulb from a good friend some years ago, and it multiplied nicely... ;)
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I see from the Daff register page that December Gold was first flowered in 1982 though only registered last year, so it seems Mr Cobb has been cautious about seeing if this was a good doer before registering it. If he has let some of it go before naming, of course, that'll be a another pickle for folks to get into! Who'd be a parent?? :P
Yes Maggi,
that's the way it should mostly go. If a gardener makes a new hybrid or selection, he should take time to
make observations, if this plant is really a good gardenplant!
I believe, that you and I know that nowadays there are too many people, who want to give plants a name when they see some deviation in leaf or flowercolor.
And I think the trade is also in debt with this, because they are always looking for "new" plants in their catalogues.
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Narcissus minor
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and an early Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. bulbocodium var. graellsii.
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Wonderful, Rafa.
How complex the shapings are when we see theflowers in close up.
I love the green lines on the reverse of Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. bulbocodium var. graellsii ... in captivity these are never so early to flower.
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Thank you Maggi,
By the way I would like to upload some Narcissus pictures to the Photo Library http://www.srgc.org.uk/database/index.php, would you please allow me?
Is it necessary to have a password?
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By the way I would like to upload some Narcissus pictures to the Photo Library http://www.srgc.org.uk/database/index.php, would you please allow me?
Is it necessary to have a password?
Rafa, it is necessary to send your photos and any text to Fred... he will upload them. I will send you his email address.
We would be DELIGHTED to have your pix for the database !! Thank you!!
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Wonderful photos, Rafa. Please keep them coming. Yellow fever is beginning. :D
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Thank you Rafa ! It's great to see them in the wild ! :o
Anne,
Yellow fever might even proove to be more lethal than the white fever we all know...
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As usual, I received a lot of Narcissus seeds from the exchange.
I am curious about this one:
2555 N. romieuxii albidus x cantabricus
Is this seed from a primary cross, or seed from the results of that cross?
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Diane, unless whoever donated the seed reads this and replies, I think we may not find out. I will try asking Stuart Pawley if he has a record of the Donor. My inclination would be that someone making the primary cross would be sowing all the seed to see wha t the results are.. therefore my money would be on a bet that it is seed from a plant resulting from that cross. Hope we can find out for sure! ???
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Narcissus romieuxii ssp. romieuxii
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Rafa,
Your narcissi and photos are great.
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Thank you Rafa for this bonus for our eyes. Here are mine but not in the nature.
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Narcissus asturiensis (outside) and N. hedraeanthus ssp. luteolentus from the Sierra de Alcaraz (cultivated inside), the last one similar to the Moroccan N. romieuxii.
Gerd
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As usual, I received a lot of Narcissus seeds from the exchange.
I am curious about this one:
2555 N. romieuxii albidus x cantabricus
Is this seed from a primary cross, or seed from the results of that cross?
Diane, referring back to this question, I have heard form Stuart Pawley who tells me that he is pretty certain that it is seed from plants of the cross, rather than the primary cross.
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Here some Narcissus romieuxii in my garden.
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Is N. hedraeanthus ssp. luteolentus always that tall, Gerd?
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Very nice show Luit - and they look very good indeed - no sign of weather damage at all !
You have a number of potfulls there ;D
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Is N. hedraeanthus ssp. luteolentus always that tall, Gerd?
Anne,
No it isn't. This year all my bulbs inside are awfully elongating. In the wild the subspecies is only slightly taller than typical hedraeanthus, but the flowers are superior - much wider and the colour in some populations deeper yellow.
Here some Narcissus romieuxii in my garden.
Luit,
So much flowers, fantastic. Do you give some shelter?
Gerd
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Here some Narcissus romieuxii in my garden.
Luit,
a beautiful color. Primula yellow.
You raise them in a sand bed?
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Thank you for your comments.
Luc, I used to grow them in pots, but that was sooooooo much work. ;)
This way is easier, but I could make more than hundred of pots.
Gerd, I only cover them with a glas when it's really winter, until now only in December when one could skate on th canal.
Armin, I just grow them in our ordinary gardensoil which is sand.
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Today I saw a seldom seen Narcissus on Showtables.
It was at he Weekly Flowershow in Lisse and is called the Chinese Sacred Lily,
which in China is used at the celebration of Chinese New Year, (this year eight February)
Only in China is a production of this Narcissus (Narc. tazetta var. orientalis of
600 Hectares ( appr. 1500 acres)
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I have one Narcissus hedraeanthus coming out in the darkness that is my bulb house. The stem is 2 cm and the flower less than 1cm wide.
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I have one Narcissus hedraeanthus coming out in the darkness that is my bulb house. The stem is 2 cm and the flower less than 1cm wide.
Been out with your miner's lamp, again, Anthony? Your Nar. hed. is barely visible to the naked eye... irresistible, aren't they?
Today I saw a seldom seen Narcissus on Showtables.
It was at he Weekly Flowershow in Lisse and is called the Chinese Sacred Lily,
which in China is used at the celebration of Chinese New Year, (this year eight February)
Only in China is a production of this Narcissus (Narc. tazetta var. orientalis of
600 Hectares ( appr. 1500 acres)
That is some acreage of this tazetta, Luit!
I think the tazetta varieties we can buy in our florists shops must come instead from the Netherlands or perhaps the Scilly Isles... I must get some in celebration of the Chinese New Year- and Ian's homecoming that day! :D
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Luit, I was told romieuxii cant grow outside. I must put mine out but maybe in a trough.
Many Narcissus buds ready to burst in my garden. Already in flower are 'Bagatelle' and 'Bowles Early Sulphur'. 'Fairy Gold' is doing very well after almost being wiped out by the dreaded fly. There will be 8 flowers this year. Time to get some chopped
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Great pics everyone. Still catching up with everything I missed from a week away frmo the forum a couple of weeks ago. Some wonderful Narcs in here. Tony, could you add me to the queue for 'December Gold' as well, although in my case just for a bit of seed of it? Looks lovely and sounds like a very large flower. It'll take a while from seed but might be worthwhile if something even close to the parent appears!!! ;D
Great stuff everyone!!
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I must get some in celebration of the Chinese New Year- and Ian's homecoming that day!
Happy New Year Maggi! :-*
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Luit, I was told romieuxii cant grow outside. I must put mine out but maybe in a trough.
Mark, in your climate many of N. romieuxii can grow outside. They can stand a lot of frost!
For instance Narc. Julia Jane is grown in Holland outside for many years. The only damage can occur
to the leaves with strong frosts. If you plant them very late in november they will start flowering
also very late.
The only problem is when you leave them in the garden, they will most years not flower.
The bulbs need much heat during the resting period.
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The only problem is when you leave them in the garden, they will most years not flower.
The bulbs need much heat during the resting period.
Luit,
Did the romieuxii , which were shown here experience a resting period during summer 2007 - i.e. were they stored without soil in a room?
I can second your opinion concerning hardiness. Even here in a somewhat colder area N. romieuxii survived outside, but no or only few flowers.
Gerd
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Yes Gerd, it is the same as I told before, see:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1195.msg26873#msg26873 (ftp://http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1195.msg26873#msg26873)
But I keep the bulbs in the pots or trays in the sandy soil they are growing in.
I believe when storing the bulbs inside, they would dry out too much.
(The prof. growers have of course better equipment for storing bulbs because they can add some
humidity if necessary).
Luit
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I also encountered bitter proof that these early mediteranean Narcissus don't really enjoy to be grown outside in our conditions.
I have a clump of Narc. bulbocodioides x mesatlanticus growing outside it gave me 7 or 8 flowers last winter. After the funny 2007 season - early heat + wet summer I'm left with two bulbs and one single flower... :'( I think I'll pot them up and make sure they get the summer rest and heat they long for. :-\
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This one by contrast doesn't mind a bit of moisture and has seeded itself in a plant of Ypsilandra tibetica
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Here are some of my N. hedreanthus, a species which I like very much, being somewhat height challenged myself! Also N. albidus SF110 which is a lovely clean white, and N. 'Atlas Gold'. I'm not convinced by the petunioides type of flower that reflexes back upon itself, it's not very daffy-like.
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Your pot of N. albidus looks very neat Anne - pristine white is the right word for it I guess.
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Anne,
I love that little N. hadreanthus. What a cutie. Don't think I've come across that before (or Did Lesley post a photo of it back in spring in NZ?). I really must track down 'Atlas Gold' one of these years. Rather nice looking plant, and I imagine it'd be here in Aus and I've probably missed it on Marcus' list or something like that. ;)
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Here are some of my N. hedreanthus, a species which I like very much, being somewhat height challenged myself! Also N. albidus SF110 which is a lovely clean white, and N. 'Atlas Gold'. I'm not convinced by the petunioides type of flower that reflexes back upon itself, it's not very daffy-like.
Anne,
Yes, this is the typical hedraeanthus form with straw-coloured flowers which is found in the Sierra de Cazorla for instance. One of my favorites too, not too large here. Nice pictures, beautiful plants.
Gerd
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Here are some of my N. hedreanthus, a species which I like very much, being somewhat height challenged myself! Also SF110 which is a lovely clean white, and N. 'Atlas Gold'. I'm not convinced by the petunioides type of flower that reflexes back upon itself, it's not very daffy-like.
Hi Anne,
your clump of N. albidus look like are real white petticoats 8)
Very attractive.
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Finally home in time to take photos of two Narcissus flowering now. Next good day I'll take some better shots
N. 'Bagatelle'
N. 'Bowles early Sulphur'
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Mark, are these tall growers?
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less than 15cm/6inches
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Thanks for that-we ought to have a little code when posting pictures of Narcissus, so that those of us not yet familiar with all the varieties would know roughly how tall they were ???
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that's very true especially with snowdrop closeups
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Beautiful plants guys!
This is Narcissus jacquemondii in the garden, a gift from Gerd.
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Looking beautiful, Rafa
Paddy
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Lovely Rafa.
Whilst you are on-line, can I ask please if you still have a web site and if so will you please post a Link to it? (see thread Iris reticulata and forms)
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David, Rafa has come to uor rescue with his answer in the Iris reticulata thread!!
Rafa, that is a most beautiful narcissus which you got from Gerd... and beautifully photographed to further enhance its charm.
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This narcissus longispathus from cazorla.It grows in very wet conditions and on one visit was growing and flowering in the river.
It is flowering a full two months earlier than last year
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Most of my 'winter narcissus' are poor on flowers this year after the hot spring last year. This potful must have been under the hole in the roof ( :o) ... or something, because they are as magnificent as ever. This is nice as they are seedlings of my own raising, now a good few years on they are as vigirius as ever!
Narcissus albidus hybrids (raised from seed off N albidus SF110 - see annew's posting pic)
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Tony W.. flowering TWO MONTHS earlier.... good grief, that is some change ???
Tony G. Yes, these SF series of N. albidus collections are real stars... we have SF160 which is just a stunner, we have it as N. albidus ssp. occidentale, I think. Ours not out as yet.
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My var occidentale is flowering now but then you still get winter up in Aberdeen ... I believe we are going to get a taste of it for 48 hours or so this weekend, then it will be back to aphid encouraging, cutworm fattening mild again :(.
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Tony G - What an amazing potfull ! Gorgeous. :o
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Tony
lovely pot to see. I do not do well with these types here it is to wet and mild.They just slowly fade away taking years of effort never to see a flower.Nice to enjoy other peoples and concentrate on the bigger late spring ones
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Lovely potful, Tony G, and Tony W I love your Narcissus longispathus, the curling of the petals and trumpet is very individual.
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Most of my 'winter narcissus' are poor on flowers this year after the hot spring last year. This potful must have been under the hole in the roof ( :o) ... or something, because they are as magnificent as ever.
A very beautiful potful, Tony!
But do you mean your winter-narcissus do not flower so good because of too much heat?
In that case Gerd and I would have to start our discussion about this again. ::) ::) ::)
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From the sound of it, I think Tony must have had the same problem with his winter-flowering narcissus as I had with my snowdrops during the incredibly hot Spring weather last year - bulbs dying down very early before managing to build up enough reserves to flower this year.
In my garden, where snowdrop leaves shrivelled in the heat last spring, I now have only about half the number of flowers I should, some normally free-flowering clumps have no flowers at all, and many bulbs that are flowering have gone down in size so much that the flowers are half the size they were last year. Same story with many of the crocus.
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Spring heat too early..... welcome to my world of Crocus the last few years!! <sigh> We've had a hot spell in October or so each year for the last few years which has put things into dormancy far too early, pushing the Crocus to make lots of small ones instead of large ones etc. Frustrating as anything!! :o
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Time for some more flowers :
1) Narcissus cantabricus monophyllus
2) Narcisses cantabricus ssp cantabricus
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Beautiful, Luc. :)
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Really lovely Luc.
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Beautiful N. cantabricus Luc,
This is another Gerd gift (he is like a Santa Claus)
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Friends, I have moved the posts about narcissus fly to a new page in Bulbs General: Bulb Pests
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1310.msg30040#msg30040
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fine pic Rafa What is the characteristics of Narcissus bugei in the pseudonarcissus section ? Do you know where I can consult the taxonomy and identification keys of the genus Narcissus with species, subspecies and varieties ? Thanks Rafa
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Dominique... this page is the beginning for many pages of Narcissus information... search here for lots to help you ......
http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registerpages/intro.asp .... for such as:
Horticultural classification http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registerpages/daff6.asp
Botanical classification http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registerpages/documents/daffclass08.pdf
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Very nice N. bugei. It's been on my wants list for years after seeing it at Brian Duncan's.
Here are a couple from my garden. So many are now in bud that I think they will be long over when Narcissus time comes around
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Whoa! That 'Sidora' is one of Annsie's, (Anne W.) isn't it? what a cracker!
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Tis! and gaining one bulb per year
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Whilst I was away a few daffs have opened up but the first I took over a week ago.
1 Narcissus romieuxii mesatlanticus. Please forgive the scratty background, which is a piece of card left in the alpine house but really has seen better days (like its owner :'()
2 Narcissus asturiensis is a tiny but sweet little thing, grown from SRGC seed.
3 Narcissus cyclamineus is one of my fvourite bulbs, which was doing well planted out but was overgrown by a 'dwarf' Rhododendron and foolishly I tried to dig it out to transplant it and did no good to either..
4 Narcissus radinganorum grown from seed collected by the Taylors.
5 Narcissus radinganorum detail for a closer look.
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John,
Quite the perfect little Narcissus, your radinganorum...I've not seen it before.
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I understand that John Blanchard has expressed doubts about the validity of the name N. radinganorum which is not surprising given the amount of splitting of the trumpet daffs that is going on by Spanish botanists. I understand it is indistinguishable from N. hispanicus and several others.Here is a narcissus I collected in Cazorla which was again first thought to be a new species but which has turned out to be N. hispanicus ssp bugei (my one moment of fame lost ).To me it seems no different to N. longispathus.They are all lovely whatever the answer
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Thanks for the note Tony. The taxonomic confusion may very well be why I haven't heard of it--although I'm far from "in the know" on Narcissus. As you say, it's a lovely thing regardless....
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Dominique... this page is the beginning for many pages of Narcissus information... search here for lots to help you ......
http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registerpages/intro.asp .... for such as:
Horticultural classification http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registerpages/daff6.asp
Botanical classification http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registerpages/documents/daffclass08.pdf
Thank you Maggi
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Narcissus W. P. Milner is a favourite of mine. It is easier to grow and source, than N. moschatus and its strength as a good plant is obvious from its long life in cultivation and commerce. There are not so many varieties lasting so long. A real success story, isn't it?
I was just searching for information on Narcissus W P Milner when I found this. At a local plant sale last Sunday I bought a pot of N. moschatus and a pot of N. W P Milner for £1.50 each- another bargain!
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Sorry about the above Maggi, didn't realise it would come up in 'Narcissus January 2008', thick of me really!
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Great bargain indeed, David. You'll enjoy having these plants in your collection, they are really something "other" than the ordinary daff!!