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Specific Families and Genera => Cacti and Succulents => Topic started by: johnstephen29 on May 18, 2014, 10:38:30 PM
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Here are my two Aeonium plants, the smaller one is a cutting from the larger one at the back. I have them outside for the summer next to the conservatory doors, as you can see in the photos they are doing really well. I really like the dark to the leaves.
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Is this the darkest clone, Aeonium arboreum var. atropurpureum 'Schwarzkopf'? Looks like it.
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I think it may be as well though I did order Aeonium 'Voodoo' a few weeks ago without knowing much about it. It turned out to have a nice green eye.
Then I discovered San Marcos carries many more Aeoniums. Try sorting them out at :
www.smgrowers.com (http://www.smgrowers.com)
By the way I was recently told that one should only propagate these on the shortest day of the year. Is that true? I beheaded mine just before reading that and a few tiny offsets have appeared for the first time ever. However the side shoots I think may be rooted but the bigger tops are still wobbly.
johnw - +8c
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They are winter growers, and love it under arond 10-15°C, they also like it wetter than most succulents so do'nt be afraid to water them (more than other succulents). I guess they would respond well to be propagated during winter, but they are really careless so you can propagate them as long as there isn't really hot and dry.
I guess it can vary a bit between clones though.
edit: @ John
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The larger plant fell over in the wind a few years back and a rosette fell off, I just potted it up and it took root. I'm not sure what variety it is I just liked the look of it when I saw it.
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It seems as if all the Aeonium cuttings have now rooted.
I am looking for seed of the big tight cabbage-headed Aeoniums, mainly ones from the Canary Islands. Does anyone have them sorted out as there seems to be mass confusion. Ones like A. urbicum, canariense (!), nobile (?), hierrense etc. Any known sources of seed?
Suppose I could ask Panayoti who has been here giving talks since 25 May! Lucky we are. May be too hot in Denver for these Aeoniums though.
Brentwood Bay Nurseries (what lovely stock they have) kindly sent this surprise as a freebie knowing of my quest for these but they have no idea which it is.....pseudotabuliforme maybe???
johnw
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Have you tried Rareplants John? They list quite a few Canary Islands plants (http://www.rareplants.es/shop/prodtype.asp?CAT_ID=70)including aeoniums.
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I had a look at them recently, forgot the name and couldn't find them again so thanks. Hopefully at least the canariense will be in stock as the others show it as NA including Kohres.
Thanks again Ashley.
johnw
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John, all the ones you listed (except nobile) seem to be in stock.
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Ashley, thanks again. I landed enough seed to do the entire province.
Got these ones;
Aeonium canariense
Aeonium davidbramwellii
Aeonium glandulosum
Aeonium hierrense (El Hierro Giant Houseleek) Exclusive
Aeonium palmense (La Palma Giant Houseleek)
johnw
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John, have you looked at Surreal Succulents website?( www.surrealsucculents.co.uk (http://www.surrealsucculents.co.uk) ) They're in Cornwall UK, but I know of a certain local nursery person who is thinking about placing an order.
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John, have you looked at Surreal Succulents website?( www.surrealsucculents.co.uk (http://www.surrealsucculents.co.uk) ) They're in Cornwall UK, but I know of a certain local nursery person who is thinking about placing an order.
Not until now Gordon. Lovely stuff and they ship at rather reasonable prices. Seems odd many are American hybrids and we can't get many of them here. May be a good thing as unfortunately we are getting overloaded - 3 of us have been collecting the good ones and we are nearly maxed out.
john
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... and we are nearly maxed out.
;D ;D ;D
An utterly weird concept for many of us here I suspect (& maybe deserving a thread of its own ;)).
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;D ;D ;D
An utterly weird concept for many of us here I suspect (& maybe deserving a thread of its own ;)).
Ashley
This greenhouse has been emptied of succulents by 80%, these have been planted out. What you see is the 10% left on the west side, balance east photo 2.............another 40 or 50 at home.
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Ashley kindly recommended rareplants for Aeonium seed. I ordered these in June and by July they were up and off to the races. : Aeonium canariense, Aeonium davidbramwellii, Aeonium glandulosum, Aeonium hierrense (El Hierro Giant Houseleek) Exclusive and Aeonium palmense (La Palma Giant Houseleek). I expect they will grow even better during the autumn and winter months. Thanks so much for that tip Ashley.
BTW on the subject of Aeonium arboreum var. atropurpureum 'Schwarzkopf' types, 'Voodoo' is to my mind superior with very wide leaves.
johnw
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That's a great result John; look out Halifax :o
Recently I ordered several ceropegias from another supplier but packs were not generous. Germination better be good.
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Ashley - We got seed of Aeonium nobile from the last SRGC seedex. Gave them to a friend who sowed them in June in a hot greenhouse. They didn't come up until the first few cool days and nights came around 2 September, his cactus seed sprouted at the same time.
I think I know only one Ceropegia so guess I'd better check the genus out. Good luck with the seed.
john
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I think I originally grew this from seed as Aichryson. I don't remember the specific name. It is annual or biennial. I never sow seed but a few usually pop up in other pots every year. I thought I had lost it but one appeared this year. I must watch for seed and make sure I do not lose it.
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Ooooh I didn't realize the Aichrysons were monocarpic too. No sign of flowers here. This species - tortuosum or whatever it is Roma - isn't too happy in full sun here.
Here's that flat of Aeoniums seedlings for comparison 20 days later. They have taken off like a shot & I have a feeling they'll need 4" pots in short order. Twelve weeks from seed sowing.
johnw
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Aeonium lindlayi x 2
Aeonium manriqueorum in flower
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Aeonium manriqueorum in flower
Frazer - That species will send one scurrying for the Aeonium book. Good to see.
johnw
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Aeonium mascaense
Aeonium calderense
Aeonium inflorescenes
Aeonium arboreum
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An update on the Aeonium species I started from Rareplant seed in late June 2014. Post 18 @ 12 weeks old, in 1.5" plugs. And here they are 8 months later in 4" and 3" pots today. They've been at a constant 58F, watered twice a week and no fertilizer - they've been grown very lean.
11c today and a big melt, a major snow storm looms for the Sunday............
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www.crassulaceae.ch/de/publications-crassulacea (http://www.crassulaceae.ch/de/publications-crassulacea)
New article by Ray Mottram on hybrids and nothospecies of Aeonium
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A rather large meal to digest Frazer. ::) I'd better order some extra long labels.
johnw
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The Aeoniums are still growing like mad, thermostat set at 58F. I suspect they will start to shut down shortly with the increasing day length.
A. canariense
johnw
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And an update on those Aeoniums started from seed in June 2014. Hard to believe they were in 4" pots a year ago, most in 10" or 12" pots today.
1. A. canariense
2. A. davidbramwellii
john
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My word - what growth - Most impressive.
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They certainly waste no time sizing up. Now what shall we do when they get like this?
Source of this photo lost but I suspect that this is an A. canariense hybrid.
And she doesn't appear to be the least bit frightened. :o
johnw
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I love the team name on the lass' top "Giants" - most appropriate :)