Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: mark smyth on February 17, 2013, 06:30:01 PM
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The Dactylorhiza in the garden and in pots are now starting to grow.
One in a pot is too far on
Dactylorhiza romana in a pot in the green house is growing very fast
The flower head of Barlia robertiana is now poking through
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Looking good Mark.
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All my Dactylorhiza that had growing points above ground during the winter have badly damaged leaves. I think this summer I will lift them all and replant deeper so the noses are maybe 1 or 2 cm below ground.
The spotty babies that I potted singly last year are all doing well. Some have two or three noses this year. Here are two of my favourites especially the second one.
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Who needs flowers with gorgeous leaves like these. 8)
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All my Dactylorhiza that had growing points above ground during the winter have badly damaged leaves. I think this summer I will lift them all and replant deeper so the noses are maybe 1 or 2 cm below ground.
Mark
I see no point in doing this. The plants make their growing points at the correct depth by themselves. If you feel the need you could always top dress them but these are totally hardy plants and do not need our assistance.
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According to the advice of S.Malmgren that planting must be compatible with the natural life cycle of plants, I used yesterday all rest of soil from my lawn (all about in "growing Anacamptis inside the lawn on clay soil ") to plant in-vitro seedlings of Dactylorhiza incarnata (still on sell on eBay UK from Stephen Kirk - top quality plants, can highly recommend).
Regards -
Kristof
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Dactylorhiza sambucina on Mt Vermion, Greece at 1700m today flowering in thousands
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Image size Kristof!
reedit your photos to 700 pixels wide, click modify beside your images, delete them and upload new ones.
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Mark - I'm computer-Idiot and I will be definitely tomorrow too. When I click "modify" - I can only change text (this have nothing to do with any pictures). Rules are - pictures size have to be less than 200kB, I'm using "Paint" Program to resize all photos of my, so I do about 130-150kB now and still wrong? There is no problem on my computer to see them so I completely don't understand what's going one. Sorry - I will add no more pictures at all
Kristof
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You need Photoshop. When I find mine I will mail it to you. Its very easy to use
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Kristoff try this link, http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9993.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9993.0) it is quick and easy to re-size a picture
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Kristof ... it is quick and easy to re-size a picture
- they are resized, so I don't understand why 130kB is not enough for this b...y pictures
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Hello Krzysztof,
I used to resize my pictures with Corel and what a pain that was. I really hated it.
Then I discovered the nice little tool provided by the SRGC. So easy, one doesn't even have to think. It has changed my life. Now I can smile again when thinking about uploading pictures. - And we would like to see yours, please.
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Kristoff
what you need to do is make the pixel size smaller, so that its maximium width is 600 pixels , this program ill do that for you.
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I use IrfanView to resize my pics. It's free and simple to use.
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My Dactylorhiza season already started, honestly I don't know which species & hybrids they truly are - i think this first plant is praetermissa and the second one something like D.foliosa, any idea ??
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D. sambucina were my first to flower in the green house and in pots outside
I'm think of repotting my Dactylorhiza collection in to plastic pots. Do you use plastic or terracotta
Two in flower now are D. sp. ex China and D. umbrosa. I cant remember where I bought the Chinese Dactylohiza. It has tiny spots on the leaves
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One photographed today at Keith Wiley's Wildside Nursery and Garden here in Devon. Many more to come too, planted in a meadow.
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Coincidence, David- Ian is with Keith Wiley in Gothenburg this weekend, speaking at the same conference. Small world, ain't it?
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Ain't it? Mrs Wiley was holding the fort and making a good job of it too. Just re-sizing some pics of our visit for posting.
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oops the photo of D. umbrosa isn't but I don't know what it is. This is D. umbrosa
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Did anyone buy Dactylorhiza foliosa x saccifera off Ebay? They are as big as leeks!
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Dactylorhiza fuchsii is flowering today.
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Dactylorhiza foliosa x saccifera from Ebay
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Here is my foliosa X saccifera from Ebay, Mark.
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Obviously different. My three are all the same. Kristof bought some also.
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They are quite big but flowers are not open jet ( and I don't have time to see What's going one with my plants)
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A little Dactylorhiza hybrid bought earlier this year from Beeches Nursery in Essex. The proprietor told me that they had given up trying to keep stock pure and were now marketing all their Dacs as Beeches Hybrids.
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A little Dactylorhiza hybrid bought earlier this year from Beeches Nursery in Essex. The proprietor told me that they had given up trying to keep stock pure and were now marketing all their Dacs as Beeches Hybrids.
Kevin is doing what I do which is to pot up spotty babies
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I don't understand - there is a separate topic about "Eskimo Nell" so why you are adding pictures here??
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I don't understand - there is a separate topic about "Eskimo Nell" so why you are adding pictures here??
Probably because the Eskimo Nell topic has dropped down the page and is no longer so visible.
It doesn't really matter where the pictures are- if the name is in the text the search facility will find them - but, since you bring this to my notice - I'll move them to the other thread http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9255.msg278839#msg278839 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9255.msg278839#msg278839)
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This is "Dactylorhiza foliosa x saccifera" that I bought off Ebay. The height is 50cm / 20 inches
Kristof have you looked at your plants?
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Here is my foliosa X saccifera from Ebay, Mark.
Did you buy yours from bonus-henricus? My three plants are identical
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The dactylorhizas are putting on quite a show in my garden. Here is a sampling. The first two photos are of D. fuchsii 'Bressingham Bonus', the others are hybrids of D. fuchsii with D. maculata and / or D. majalis.
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Bressingham Bonus - gasp :o :o
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I'm glad you like it. :) A friend of mine brought it from England years ago and gave me my first start with dachtylorhizas. It is a good doer and a good multiplier.
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This one I grow as Dactylorhiza foliosa . I am not sure that the name is correct ....But it is a very fine plant anyway ...
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Only D. purpurella and a couple of little hybrids open here so far .... it'll be a while before we get the glory of these lovely flowers. Great to see so many doing so well already in far flung places.
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A variegated Dactylorhiza.
It's not as attractive as the one Mark showed last year.
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Dactylorhiza fuchsii first of mine to open
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Did you buy yours from bonus-henricus? My three plants are identical
- my plants are identical too and the single flowers are the biggest (the widest - 19mm!) I ever saw
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And yet another Dactylorhiza fuchsii. ;D
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There are some lovely orchids in this thread :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10610.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10610.0)
... and a couple of unknown Dacts. - can anyone help ?
see
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10610.msg279076#msg279076 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10610.msg279076#msg279076)
and
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10610.msg279104#msg279104 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10610.msg279104#msg279104)
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And yet another Dactylorhiza fuchsii. ;D
What a great plant, Fred!
I really love the variability in flower and foliage of the D. fuchsii/maculata shown here. Whenever you think you have seen everything possible - someone comes up with something new and even more remarkable. This key-feature together with their ease of growth makes these Dacties my favourite plants.
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I went to my own Dactylorhiza heaven this week at Koolmansdijk near my home town. Open to the public with thousands of Dactylorhiza flowering now.
This was once agricultural lands. A couple of years ago the lands were "given back" to nature; managed that is. First the "fertile" top soil was scraped off until the original layer was exposed. Than nature could take its course. The seeds burried under the fertile top soil were now exposed and even after more than a hundred years several germinated and gave the site its original native plant look, with many orchids like the Dacts mentioned, but also Epipactis species (also abundant).
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A few more pictures:
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And another batch.
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...The seeds burried under the fertile top soil were now exposed and even after more than a hundred years several germinated ...
- John, is this officially description of this place ??
Kristof
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- John, is this officially description of this place ??
Kristof
Yes Kristof, not only does the descriptions states so, I happen to know one of the people involved with the project, a son of one of the men responsible for the project to happen. We talked about this project intensively.
This part of The Netherlands was once fenland and many parts also very sandy with an abundant native flora and fauna, including Dactylorhiza and Epipactis, who unfortunately disappeared when the lands were converted for intensive agricultural uses. Decades of enrichment of the soil with manure (cow and pig) resulted in a topsoil ideal for growing "plain" grasses for cows and crops like corn, but devastating for the rich original flora.
The idea to convert this piece of agricultural meadows and cropfields into the original lands was accompanied by getting the original layer back in which all kinds of seeds and spores were deposited decades ago, but were burried under the fertile topsoil. There was no sowing of seeds or whatsoever by man. Just the scraping off of the rich topsoil until the original soil layer was exposed. After this, a minimum of human management or maintenance was done and nature could take its course.
After a while all kinds of native flora appeared, which are still not very common here at the moment, but were in the "old days" just a part of the every day flora here. And it happened in less than a decade.
The method of scraping off the rich topsoil until the original layer is exposed with a few seeds and spores of flora still viable is common practice here in The Netherlands, when lands are given back to nature to get the rich native species of flora (and eventually fauna) back again.
I was once part of a different project, which tried to create corridors in a woodland for native reptiles (snakes) in order to reconnect each isolated population in order to keep the gene pool healthy. The populations were isolated because of heavy and dense brushes and wild grasses. The brushes were cleared and pathways and habitat islands were created by scraping of the grassy topsoil until the original layer is exposed. The seeds of mostly heather species were present in this original layer also burried many years under top soil. After scraping off, there was no further interference by man (no sowing, etc.) and after a while heather and other original flora did appear to create habitat and pathways for the reptiles.
Just common practice, not more not less :).
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- so I understand on the begining of this project nobody could proove, that orchid seeds are inside the old soil - but there is hypothesis about because after few years Dactylorhiza appeared on site?
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As a boy the first time I saw bee orchids (and in great numbers) was on a site near home where the topsoil had been removed and many plants (re)appeared that were no longer common in the area. Wonderful.
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- and this is typically behavior of all orchids: to colonize a new places. They are many of abandoned quarries, building sites, road margins and other places with disturbed topsoil across Europe - well know for spontanous orchid occurances. Good example is a site in Kent with waste material left over from the digging of the Channel Tunnel.
Kristof
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- so I understand on the begining of this project nobody could proove, that orchid seeds are inside the old soil - but there is hypothesis about because after few years Dactylorhiza appeared on site?
Indeed. One did not know for sure if there were still viable seeds present. They created a landscape and circumstances like it was before man changed it for agricultural pruposes and waited which species do appear, hoping many of the original flora to come back. Since in the neighbourhood a very small nature reserve was present, they hoped that the recovery would be succesful. So Dact seeds travelling from there to the site is a key factor too. Many species they expected did indeed appear, but also species that became extinct in this area, within only five years, but some didn't, like Dactylorhiza incarnata. On the other hand the project owners were very surprised by the appearance of "new" species in very great numbers they didn't expect, like Epipactis palustris. This orchid and other new flora species were not present here and in its vicinity, i.e. no seeds from neighbouring sites travelling there. And the abundance of appearance was the greatest surprise.
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151 Dactylorhiza spikes in the garden - yes I know very nerdy of me to count them.
Yesterday I accidentally knocked over a pot that had a new purchase from 2012 - Dactylohiza kalopissii. I was amazed how large next years tuber was compared to the original tuber.
I've always waited until mid to late July to remove tubers. Maybe it can be done now which gives the mother plant more time to make a new tuber before going dormant
foliosa? Harold Esslemont - apologies I can never remember how to spell it
kalopissii - the aphids in my garden are horrendous this year. I spray them and in days they are back again
praetermissa var junialis - a close up
x lindholm - praetermissa x sambucina - a close up
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Harold Esslemont - apologies I can never remember how to spell it
That's exactly correct, Mark. ;D
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I must try to remember S. Lemont
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Hi Mark,
the white dactylorhiza fuchsii I got from you are doing very well indeed. ;D ;D ;D
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An ordinary D. fuchsii .
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Three of my four. Still waiting for fuchsii to bloom.
D. Eskimo Nell in full bloom now.
D. foliosa
A group of unknown with an 'Eskimo Nell'. I separated one off last year as a back up, and as these unknowns do so well I planted it close by.
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Not content with appearing all over my garden and especially in pots, Dactylorhiza purpurella has escaped into a boggy patch in my ponies' field. I counted 50 flower spikes in this area.
Dactylorhiza maculata just outside the fence at the other end of the field.
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An ordinary D. fuchsii .
Very nice Kris
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Not content with appearing all over my garden and especially in pots, Dactylorhiza purpurella has escaped into a boggy patch in my ponies' field.
- I can take 2-3 with pleasure to make You more happy :)
Kristof
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hello friends,
just enjoy two of my few Dactylorhizas.
Dactylorhiza maculata ssp.transsilvanica
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20130709-161538-733.jpg)
and a little bit "crippled" flowerstem.
(see the 3-lobed lip of the true fuchsii)
Dactylorhiza fuchsii var. alba
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20130709-161538-916.jpg)
cheers
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Very nice pictures, Goofy!
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I do not follow all threads so I may have missed a discussion.
The flower stem of two of my Dactylorhiza fuchsii suddenly bent over just below the flowers. With the help of a scalpel and a low power microscope I found a small white grub: white, 0.5mm thick 6mm long. (I could have shortened it by mistake) It was eating itself through the center of the stem.
Comments anyone??
Göte
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hello Göte,
interesting observation.
but not so nice fact........
I never had something like this,
so unfortunately I cannot be of any help.
maybe anybody else?
hope that your other plants are "clean".
cheers
Dieter
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hello friends,
some years ago I received this as Dact. elata seedling.
now when it flowers, it is not elata,
but seems to be of hybrid origin, with nice deep color.
Dactylorhiza (elata X foliosa) ?
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20130713-133745-966.jpg)
enjoy