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Title: Primula 2013
Post by: Gert Hoek on January 20, 2013, 12:37:42 PM
This Primula palinuri in a tufa wall in my garden wanted to flower early january, bus was cauhgt by the frost. I hope the flowerbud can stand the low temperaturs, we had minus 11C.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Armin on January 20, 2013, 12:51:49 PM
Gert,
thank you for showing such rarity from south of Italy.

I hope the flower bud will be not killed by black frost too and it will show its nice yellow flowers later.
Did you grow it from seed?
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Gert Hoek on January 20, 2013, 12:54:12 PM
Gert,
thank you for showing such rarity from south of Italy.

I hope the flower bud will be not killed by black frost too and it will show its nice yellow flowers later.
Did you grow it from seed?

Hello Armin, Got is from a friend who raised it from wild coll seed.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on January 31, 2013, 07:45:35 PM
A little self sown hybrid Primrose I quite like. Primula wanda is not too far away so she was probably involved in this together with P. vulgaris. The plant is under Daphne bholua 'Jacqueline Postill' still producing blossom and scent inspite of the winds. A small clump of Galanthus 'Magnet' growing around the Primrose although it doesn't come out well on the picture.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on February 04, 2013, 05:42:18 PM
Does anyone grow Primula glutinosa? I've just got a small plant and in mary Robinson's  "Primulas" she says it hates lime. Can anyone prove or dis-prove please?
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: peter hood on February 04, 2013, 05:50:05 PM
In the wild, it is found absolutely exclusively on Lime free formations, David, so no Lime at all; In cultivation, I don't know of anyone who has had any real success in taming it.Whoever grew your small plant has done very well to do that.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on February 04, 2013, 06:35:43 PM
Thanks for that Peter. I bought the plant from Gerd Stopp in Germany, he grows some terrific stuff.
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Post by: hadacekf on February 05, 2013, 05:55:15 PM
David, Primula glutinosa is one of the hardest primroses. Good luck
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Post by: David Nicholson on February 05, 2013, 07:47:09 PM
Thank you Franz, it sound as if I shall I need luck, and lots of it.
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Post by: Lvandelft on February 05, 2013, 11:10:33 PM
I wish you all the luck there is, David!
I've seen them many times in nature growing together with Rhodo. ferrugineum, Loiseleuria etc. and nearby Soldanella and Primula minima, but never seen it flower in culture. Here a scanned dia from many years ago:
Primula glutinosa
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on February 06, 2013, 09:14:42 AM
Thanks for that Luit.
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Post by: sippa on February 06, 2013, 11:32:10 PM


Flowering now in the greenhouse.  Primula megaseifolia grown from seed 2 years ago.  I almost lost it when I was away on a trip and had a kind person doing the watering.  Therefor the few leaves.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: mark smyth on February 09, 2013, 01:13:09 PM
I was in Homebase just now to see if they have anything interesting. They have a good selection of unnamed hose in hose primroses. They are yellow and pink - different plants - and a lovely darkest brown. I bought the brown one. Very dull for photos today but I'll take one.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: mark smyth on February 09, 2013, 03:20:02 PM
Unfortunately the camera doesn't show the true colour
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on February 18, 2013, 12:10:21 PM
The Primula allioniis are coming out here now.

This is one that seems to be less common although it was popular in the past going by the number of references to it - hard to keep though, P.a. Viscountess Byng

Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on February 18, 2013, 05:21:03 PM
Very pretty Mark.
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Post by: Mark Griffiths on February 18, 2013, 05:29:32 PM
thanks David - all in all re the allioniis they've not had a good year - too damp I think. Lots of cushions with holes in them
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Post by: David Nicholson on February 18, 2013, 07:14:50 PM
Mark, I haven't come across anything that it has been a good year for!
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Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 18, 2013, 07:35:04 PM
Quote
Mark, I haven't come across anything that it has been a good year for!


Austerity  ? ::)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on February 18, 2013, 08:54:18 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on February 18, 2013, 11:59:56 PM

Austerity  ? ::)

They are some kind of lillies aren't they? Austerity Lillies. Yes, I think you are right. Too cold for lilly beetles last year.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 19, 2013, 09:49:03 AM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on February 25, 2013, 06:10:03 PM
A few more allioniis - Marion, Malcolm, Rosemary and Anna Griffith

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Post by: Armin on February 26, 2013, 06:09:19 PM
Mark,
congratulation. Very beautiful. 8)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on February 27, 2013, 08:12:37 PM
David's confused----again!

I was in a Garden Centre today and they had a fixture full of lovely little plants they had billed as Primula officinalis, so I bought one. Having moaned at Maureen that it was just a nice form of P. veris, but worth having, and remarking that I'd never heard of P officinalis, and it was probably a garden centre made-up name anyway.

When I got home I did a bit of research. The Plant List has P officinalis (L) Hill as an accepted name and quotes a source as Tropicos-26401269, which mentions a (basionym?) of P. veris var officinalis (L).

I then looked at what John Richards had to say in "Primula". He says P officinalis (L) Hill 1764 as a synonym of P veris (L)

I just don't understand how or why The Plant List can declare P officinalis (L) Hill to be an accepted name when it is clearly a synonym.

Having looked at what Richards has to say about P veris he remarks that it has "orange to red spots" at the base of each lobe but I don't remember seeing these on my plant? Must get a pic tomorrow.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on February 28, 2013, 04:18:58 PM
Well here's the plant. In my view it's just a rather pretty hybrid but I'd be interested how others see it.

Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on February 28, 2013, 04:38:09 PM
David, it looks a bit like the False Oxlip which is P.vulgaris x P. veris I think. I've found them in the wild and they are lovely things.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on February 28, 2013, 08:16:53 PM
You could well be right Mark, there certainly seems to me to be some vulgaris in it. Judging by the quantity on sale when I bought mine I doubt if they would have been seed raised, maybe some tissue culture has been going on. Why it should have been given a species name the Lord only knows.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on February 28, 2013, 08:53:56 PM
Looks like it is a very old name for P.veris  - and a name now kept alive by herbalists and their ilk judging by the nature of the google listings.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on March 01, 2013, 09:20:44 AM
No matter what the true name may be. It is a beautiful plant.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on March 01, 2013, 09:27:59 AM
It is Jozef.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on March 05, 2013, 08:09:39 PM
Saw this Primula petelotii pictured at the Harlow AGS show this past weekend-  not one I've grown.... anyone able to tell  about it?
(photo is from Alan N's ipad!)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Diane Clement on March 05, 2013, 08:54:10 PM
Maggi, I wrote it up last year as part of the Hexham show report, here's what I found out:

http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/shows/reports/Northumberland+AGSSRGC+Show+/187/ (http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/shows/reports/Northumberland+AGSSRGC+Show+/187/)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on March 05, 2013, 09:04:23 PM
That's super Diane, thank you!
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Armin on March 07, 2013, 06:13:18 PM
Couldn't resist when I saw it in a garden center - my latest purchase. :P
P. vulgaris (acaulis) 'Zebra blue'
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ebbie on March 07, 2013, 06:38:33 PM
...schaurig-schön. 

Your crocuses are better ;D!
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Armin on March 07, 2013, 09:25:50 PM
Eberhard,
of course crocus are better! ;D

Large flowering vulgaris hybrids usually are not my favourites. Nothing beats a pure wild P. vulgaris, primula yellow flower, in my eyes.
But I'm interested if this hybrid survives outside in my garden, if it ever sets seed and if the unusual striping transfers to other primula hybrids.
It is an fun experiment.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on March 07, 2013, 11:25:19 PM
It looks like a Primula painted by Van Gogh! I too prefer the original but it looks fun.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on March 10, 2013, 02:33:10 PM
I saw some zebra Primulas in a local B&Q yesterday so they are out and about here

Some allioniis

lacewing - still not sure about this one

a Brian Burrow selection - it only had a number when I got it back in the 90s

Apple Blossom - an old selection - I really like it

Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ruweiss on March 10, 2013, 08:55:44 PM
More big flowered Pr.vulgaris plants - not my taste, but somehow interesting.
Seen today at the open day plant sale of a nearby nusery.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ruweiss on March 10, 2013, 08:59:11 PM
More photos:
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on March 14, 2013, 04:42:58 PM

Some allioniis

lacewing - still not sure about this one

a Brian Burrow selection - it only had a number when I got it back in the 90s

Apple Blossom - an old selection - I really like it

Mark, I found another picture of P allionii 'Lacewing' on Eric Marsh's Site (Palustris) or is it actually another picture of your plant? It's a lovely little thing and one of Ken Wooster's raising I see.

My Primula 'Lindum Moonlight' still flowering away.

Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 14, 2013, 04:53:54 PM
I was quite happy with this Primula marginata "Casterino" that I acquired in Harlow a couple of weeks ago !  ;D
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Post by: Mark Griffiths on March 14, 2013, 05:36:14 PM
David, must be a different plant -nice Moonlight!

Luc, nice white marginata there

Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on March 14, 2013, 07:14:22 PM
I was quite happy with this Primula marginata "Casterino" that I acquired in Harlow a couple of weeks ago !  ;D

One of my all time favourite marginatas (I say that about all marginatas! ;D  )
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ruweiss on March 15, 2013, 10:13:35 PM
Some Primula allionii in the Alpine house brighten up these cold times with night
temperatures down to -7°C.
Gabriele and Elke Weiss are own seedlings
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on March 16, 2013, 12:01:12 AM
Really like the Gabrielle, very nice.
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Post by: ian mcenery on March 16, 2013, 12:47:26 AM
Nice plants all. Here I have P megaseifolia in flower in the  garden. Marvellous how such delicate things hold up in this weather. Sorry about the photo quality
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on March 16, 2013, 09:50:31 AM
Excellent allionii Rudi, I too like Gabriele.

Would love to try Primula megaseifolia Ian but suspect it would fail in my garden. I do have P. 'Barbara Midwinter' a hybrid  P. 'John Fielding (megaseifolia x juliae) backcrossed to juliae it will be interesrting to see if I still have it at this time next year.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on March 16, 2013, 01:51:52 PM
Primula marginata "Napoleon" - through incompetence this went down to a single tiny twig a yeae or two back. Nice to see it come back. Plus I have another division that seems to be doing ok.



Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: alant on March 19, 2013, 12:32:49 PM
Things are not looking too bright on the outside this morning, but on the inside it looks a lot better.  My wee collection of allionii hybrids are doing well.  I have been growing my primulas in a prepared bed rather than in pots for more than ten years now and they seem to like it.  I might have to change the compost in the near future though.
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Post by: Yann on March 19, 2013, 08:48:21 PM
you own a nice primula collection, the bed give a nice landscape
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Post by: David Nicholson on March 19, 2013, 08:51:35 PM
Things are not looking too bright on the outside this morning, but on the inside it looks a lot better.  My wee collection of allionii hybrids are doing well.  I have been growing my primulas in a prepared bed rather than in pots for more than ten years now and they seem to like it.  I might have to change the compost in the near future though.

and very happy they look too Alan. Well grown.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on March 19, 2013, 09:06:42 PM
Isn't it a real pleasure to have a glass house to be able to enjoy our plants under cover in this cold weather ?  And the plants are as happy in there as we are!
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Armin on March 19, 2013, 09:22:43 PM
In every respect a very pleasent glas house sight 8) :D
I enjoyed >:( a hail storm today... :'( ...if I only could call a glas house my own ::)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Helen Johnstone on March 22, 2013, 04:41:18 PM
Heres my first contribution, I have struggled with resizing the photos so I hope they are Ok. 

Primula marginata laciniata
Primula palinuri

Helen
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on March 22, 2013, 04:50:37 PM
Very nice pix, Helen.  Primulas with farina are especially attractive in my eyes.
Have you had those beauties under glass to keep them so smart?
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Post by: Helen Johnstone on March 22, 2013, 04:53:03 PM
The P. marginata is in a frost free greenhouse and the P. palinuri is in a cold frame - mainly as I have no idea whether they will do well outside.  I am assuming that the marginata doesnt like winter wet on its leaves?  Any advice would be welcome - live in Malvern, Worcestershire
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on March 22, 2013, 05:03:10 PM
I think I'd keep the palinuri under glass here in N.E. Scotland- it's pretty hardy but it's from sea cliffs in Italy- where it is rare-  so not the most hardy primula for the open, even in Malvern, I think. A cold frame that will not get too hot in summer wll be fine for that. The marginata would be okay outside:  I can look out and see the poor wee souls now, beginning, bravely, to flower in the snow!
The downside of having the P. marginata planted outside is that the farina gets washed off. If you want to keep it pristine on that score -and to make it a stunner on the show bench, perhaps, then under cover and cool would be fine. It really is tough outside though.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Helen Johnstone on March 22, 2013, 05:05:59 PM
I will think about the primula.  I'm not sure if I have the courage to show plants but if I keep potting up and produce a good plant maybe I will have a go - is the primula marginata worth showing, I know some are so common people dont bother
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: alant on March 22, 2013, 05:19:52 PM
I showed a picture earlier of my allionii living under glass.  Here is a picture of my Primula Arduaine emerging from the snow for the fourth time still looking bright and shiny.  This primula lives happily in the corner of a trough outdoors.  The person who gave me this primula many years ago lost his.  I have now been able to give him back a plant.  It pays to spread your good plants around.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on March 22, 2013, 05:40:29 PM
is the primula marginata worth showing, I know some are so common people dont bother

 Maybe so, but what a sad indictment of those people that is. If a plant is well grown and well presented, why should it not be a show plant?
There is so much "angst" about the number of exibitors decreasing in the beginners' sections of the shows but what else is to be expected if there is a feeling that some plants are too ordinary, or that there is no chance for such plants in a competitive show. As has been argued elsewhere, the perceived rarified atmosphere of shows and the unrealistic perfection of many exhibits is counter productive to the health of shows in many cases.  I am now a "retired"  SRGC show secretary  but what I always told anyone  thinking about an entry  was this : does the plant look good? Are YOU pleased with it?  Do you think it might give pleasure to a visitor to the show- who, after all, many never have seen these plants that members of the likes of SRGC and AGS may consider quite "run of the mill"?  These, for me, are the vital questions to consider for a show plant. It seems to me that the introduction of show  visitors to well grown specimens of plants that are, in fact, good garden plants and not purely the preserve of  "those in the know"  who are able to obtain rarities (and who have the time and conditions to give, for instance, a rare cushion plant the conditions it needs to live for twenty years and be a perfect dome of flowers) are much  more likely to enthuse new members and draw them into getting involved. 

Of course the show-stopping rarities are a terrific feat for their growers and demonstrate what can be possible, but not at the expense of the well grown, well presented quality garden plant.  There is in some folks, a very great emphasis on "pot-hunting"  at shows and the wider benefits and possiblities of the show are too often lost in those cases. If the most important thing about a show becomes the list of points accumulated rather than the plants involved, what is the message given out?  Not a good one, in my view.  Happily, that situation is not prevalent in the SRGC:  you'll find no lists of points totals in the SRGC.

Hmm, that was probably more than you wanted to hear- but you did raise a very valid point with your question about the suitability of a "common" plant - and these are important questions for us all!

 And besides : Primula marginata is a "classic" alpine plant- of course it deserves to be shown!!  ;D
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on March 22, 2013, 05:41:09 PM
I showed a picture earlier of my allionii living under glass.  Here is a picture of my Primula Arduaine emerging from the snow for the fourth time still looking bright and shiny.  This primula lives happily in the corner of a trough outdoors.  The person who gave me this primula many years ago lost his.  I have now been able to give him back a plant.  It pays to spread your good plants around.
That plant is a cracker, Alan!
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Post by: Helen Johnstone on March 22, 2013, 06:03:51 PM
Thank you Maggie for your response which was incredibly helpful and encouraging.  Whilst the members at my local AGS are friendly I do feel a little in awe and a real novice.  There is an element of not wanting to look stupid so your simple guidance is excellent and I will bear that in mind in a ccouple of years when I, hopefully, will have some plants big enough to show
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on March 22, 2013, 06:14:27 PM
I'm pleased you found that useful Helen.
If you should decide to try showing, good luck and remember, even an Olympic champion athlete began as a crawling baby, wearing nappies- just the same as the rest of us!
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Post by: Martinr on March 22, 2013, 06:14:41 PM
Patient gardener, another year or two and that P marginata will grace any show bench as either a flowering plant or a foliage plant. Go to some of the shows (well, if we don't have to cancel them all :'( :'() and look at the plants in the novice section. you are almost there, don't be intimidated, we all started there. I can still remember how nervous I was the first time I showed (it wasn't that long ago honest). Ask for help, most people will gladly give advice on all aspects of showing either beforehand or during staging.

Good luck with your growing, hope to see you showing soon.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on March 22, 2013, 09:03:23 PM
Helen, your P. marginalia is very nice form and you should cherish it.
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Post by: Helen Johnstone on March 22, 2013, 09:46:21 PM
Martin - I went to a show last year and discovered lots of plants I had never heard of but of course they were all difficult for a newbie like me.  I will go to some more and check out the novice section but I seem to remember that there wasn't much at all in that category of the show I went to :( 
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Helen Johnstone on March 22, 2013, 09:47:16 PM
Thank you David - I will
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Post by: Mark Griffiths on March 23, 2013, 02:46:46 PM
nice plants Alan and Patient!

my other marginata, Pritchards and P.allionii Kermis

Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on March 23, 2013, 04:34:25 PM
 I learn that  the Primula Show at Arden School, Knowle, 23rd March  of the NATIONAL AURICULA & PRIMULA SOCIETY  was cancelled because of the weather - what a lot of bother the snow is causing to plant lovers!
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on March 24, 2013, 03:25:27 PM
A couple more allioniis,

Crystal, starts white and goes pink and Eureka

Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on March 24, 2013, 08:51:18 PM
It looks as though P allionii 'Eureka' is a very good white form. Jozef Lemmens shows an excellent plant here:- http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10165.75 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10165.75)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on March 25, 2013, 11:27:30 AM
David, it's supposed to be the best white after many years of attempts by Ken Wooster, hence "Eureka". One thing I've noticed is that to does have the odd four petalled flowers.

I quite like the Kermis but it does sometimes have reflexed petals - it's particularly bad this year.

I remember when Avalanche came out and I got one of the first ones from Joe as a single rosette - he said in his promotion something like a washing soap ad about seeing the difference from "alba" and it being whiter than white. I had to take it back and he swapped it beccause mine had some pink in it. I find it variable - sometimes I get white with a touch of pink, or pure white or ivory/cream.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ruweiss on March 26, 2013, 09:27:42 PM
Now flowering in the Alpine House:
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Helen Johnstone on March 27, 2013, 08:08:02 AM
Hoorah Primula wilsonii anisodora seeds germinating - one of my first AGS seeds to germinate
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on March 27, 2013, 11:50:49 AM
Hoorah Primula wilsonii anisodora seeds germinating - one of my first AGS seeds to germinate

 Super! Isn't it marvelous how the pleasure of seeing  germination in a seed pot is out off all proportion to the size of the seedlings? Such satisfaction! Don't you feel sorry for anyone who never tried growing from seed?  Especially when there is so much on offer from  the Seed Exchanges - there are still those who never give it a try....... why  ???
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Helen Johnstone on March 27, 2013, 11:59:33 AM
I know I love it.  I had a Bird of Paradise germinate last summer after messing around with smoke primers etc.  Someone said in response to my excited comment on my blog - oh it will be 7 years before it flowers - so what I am just thrilled to have germinated it.

I discovered the AGS last summer as Kevin Pratt put me on to the seed exchange.  Having discovered this forum I am now going to join SRGC so I can get seeds from its seed exchange next spring.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on March 27, 2013, 12:08:52 PM
A caller to a radio phone in gardening programme I used to work on  (before the BBC decided Scotland didn't need a  radio gardening programme!) rang in last year  to say she  was pleased that her Bird  of Paradise ( Strelitzia regina) was flowering after five years - I told her she should not be pleased - she should be ECSTATIC!!  Five years is the fastetI've heard of so that proves it is possible - keep us posted! Some things like frits can take many years to flower, but if you sow some each year, that keeps you busy during the wait and then once things start to bloom, there is just a cascade of floral pleasure from then on!  8) Bliss!

Keep an eye out or the new Electronic Subscription to SRGC, launching soon- it will be perfect for you I reckon!   
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8657.msg271311#msg271311 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8657.msg271311#msg271311)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Helen Johnstone on March 27, 2013, 06:19:36 PM


Keep an eye out or the new Electronic Subscription to SRGC, launching soon- it will be perfect for you I reckon!   
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8657.msg271311#msg271311 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8657.msg271311#msg271311)

You would think but I prefer to have printed journals as I dont really like reading articles on the screen.  End up printing them off!!  ::)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Michael J Campbell on March 27, 2013, 06:41:59 PM
A few of my own Hybs in bloom here at the moment.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Michael J Campbell on March 27, 2013, 06:42:41 PM
Two more,
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on March 27, 2013, 07:20:07 PM
Mr Amazing strikes again? ;D  What a cracking selection Michael.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Michael J Campbell on March 27, 2013, 07:22:01 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: sippa on March 27, 2013, 10:52:08 PM

Michael - Your plants are absolutly lovel.  Could you share your method to make them bloom like that.  I have several allionii but they are not bloomig well.  Do you feed them, talk to them, plese tell me how you do it.

Marianne
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Michael J Campbell on March 28, 2013, 10:23:24 AM
Feed them in the late Summer and early Autumn with a high potash feed ( tomato feed) that is when the flower buds are forming. keep them cool through the winter.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on March 28, 2013, 10:41:08 AM
....Do you talk to them............

Marianne

He has to Marianne, no-one else will talk to him ;D
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Michael J Campbell on March 28, 2013, 10:49:21 AM
Too true David, you can see that from the response I usually get here. Apart from yourself and Maggi occasionally, practically  nil. :P
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on March 28, 2013, 10:56:10 AM
Too true David, you can see that from the response I usually get here. Apart from yourself and Maggi occasionally, practically  nil. :P
There you go , David, you and I do have one redeeming feature, we're not complete failures  ;)

Marianne - I reckon that Michael must use some sort of Leprechaun Magic on his plants - the range and quality of the plants he grows has to be seen to be believed. :D
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on March 28, 2013, 12:48:58 PM
Michael, I am always amazed and speechless when I see your plants. Do you spend whole days and whole nights in your alpine house(s)?   ;)

Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ebbie on March 30, 2013, 01:58:53 PM
Also from me a couple allionis:
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on March 30, 2013, 07:02:03 PM
Lovely set of allioniis Ebbie. Just in case there was a typo your last one is a seedling from Wharfedale Superb
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on March 30, 2013, 09:09:18 PM
Also from me a couple allionis:

Is Jahn XV a plant originating from Ludwig Jahn?
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ebbie on April 01, 2013, 03:50:43 PM
Thanks David.
Jozef, that can be, but I don't know really. I bought 'Jahn XV' and also the 'Wharfedale Super Seedling' at Gerd Stopp in Chemnitz.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on April 01, 2013, 07:54:53 PM
Three more Primula allionii clones.

Primula allionii 'Dunkel Blute'  (ex Gerd Stopp)

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Primula allionii 'Joseph Collins'

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Primula allionii 'Grosse Blute'  (ex Gerd Stopp)

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Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 01, 2013, 08:23:29 PM
You grow some excellent allionii Jozef. I would be very interested to learn more about your growing regime please.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: sippa on April 01, 2013, 10:26:18 PM


I am so impressed with all your allionii.  Michael thanks for the tips on fertilizing in the fall.  Next year I might have a few more flowers
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Jozef Lemmens on April 02, 2013, 03:18:25 PM
A growing regime?....Hmm.…. Yes, I have one..... I smile when they are flowering.
In contradiction with Michael, I feed them only between May and August with a “Geranium” fertilizer. This is a kind of a tomato fertilizer but with a picture of flowers on the label.    ::)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ranunculus on April 02, 2013, 05:42:58 PM
A growing regime?....Hmm.…. Yes, I have one..... I smile when they are flowering.
In contradiction with Michael, I feed them only between May and August with a “Geranium” fertilizer. This is a kind of a tomato fertilizer but with a picture of flowers on the label.    ::)

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 02, 2013, 07:18:34 PM
A growing regime?....Hmm.…. Yes, I have one..... I smile when they are flowering.
In contradiction with Michael, I feed them only between May and August with a “Geranium” fertilizer. This is a kind of a tomato fertilizer but with a picture of flowers on the label.    ::)

 ;D ;D ;D  OK Jozef, I'll try that!
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 04, 2013, 07:08:56 PM
Here's a patch of self sown Primula hybrids nestling between and under Daphne bholua 'Jacqueline Postill' and Pieris 'Valley Valentine' (and I see the grass like leaves of an Iris growing through them that I thought I had lost). I count six different shades but my favourite is the one in the bottom right hand corner that my camera refuses to picture properly (syn. the photographer's not good enough!). This is a rich deep purple/magenta with a white-lined yellow eye. Things are getting a little congested under there and I shall need to split them up when flowering is over.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Claire Cockcroft on April 05, 2013, 12:40:25 AM
I love the happy mix of colors from the seedlings!

I wonder, does anyone know the lineage of this P. vulgaris?  It came to me from Cy Happy as "Pembrokeshire form".
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 05, 2013, 07:53:22 AM
Here's a patch of self sown Primula hybrids nestling between and under Daphne bholua 'Jacqueline Postill' and Pieris 'Valley Valentine' (and I see the grass like leaves of an Iris growing through them that I thought I had lost). I count six different shades but my favourite is the one in the bottom right hand corner that my camera refuses to picture properly (syn. the photographer's not good enough!). This is a rich deep purple/magenta with a white-lined yellow eye. Things are getting a little congested under there and I shall need to split them up when flowering is over.

Very attractive splash of colours David !
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 05, 2013, 10:15:30 AM
Thank you Luc, and the best of it is they didn't cost me a penny (cent for you Europeans :P  )  ;D
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: arisaema on April 06, 2013, 06:51:17 PM
Primula sonchifolia in Hailuogou (Gonggashan)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on April 06, 2013, 07:05:38 PM
Primula sonchifolia in Hailuogou (Gonggashan)

This is a rare treat,  Bjørnar, to see these in the wild.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: arisaema on April 06, 2013, 07:18:13 PM
They flower too early in the season, I guess, but it's a quite common and widespread species. Primula moupinensis below - third try, and just two of four pictures, Win7 tells me all 4 pictures are below 200KB  but the forum does not seem to agree  :P

(I'm sure you've already discussed this to death, but I'll add my 2 分 here: 250KB would have been a far better limit than 200...)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Leena on April 07, 2013, 06:35:34 AM
How absolutely beautiful primulas!
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Susan Band on April 07, 2013, 08:53:55 AM
Lovely Primulas Bjorn. P. Soncifolia is always a favourite. The only place I know it grows well is Cluny gardens, should be in flower now.
Are you doing a seed list this year?
Nomocharis are still surviving and hopefully will flower this year  ;D
Susan
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on April 07, 2013, 03:35:56 PM
Primula moupinensis below - third try, and just two of four pictures, Win7 tells me all 4 pictures are below 200KB  but the forum does not seem to agree  :P

(I'm sure you've already discussed this to death, but I'll add my 2 分 here: 250KB would have been a far better limit than 200...)

Even if a photo is showing as just under 200kb,  when it is loaded, including the meta data file, it will push it over the forum  limit. Even the most basic metadata file counts towards actual file size.

It's possible to have great photo quality to show online within the limits, I promise you! ;)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on April 07, 2013, 07:35:17 PM
- and to lower the tone, a little:
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 07, 2013, 07:47:57 PM
Very nice Giles, I've been waiting for these.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: arisaema on April 08, 2013, 11:59:22 AM
Are you doing a seed list this year?
Nomocharis are still surviving and hopefully will flower this year  ;D

Fingers crossed, hope to see some pictures! I'm definitely doing a seed list this year, actually hope to make a stop in Nujiang to look for more Nomocharis  ;D Last season got eaten up by the move and recidence permit processing - and it was admittedly rather nice to get a break from plants for a while.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 08, 2013, 05:15:29 PM
Three from the garden.

One I bought some years ago as Primula juliae but isn't. Nice little thing though, spreads around and I think has contributed greatly to the various Primrose colour forms I have around the garden.

P. 'Ingram's Blue' which in reality is a much deeper and richer blue shade.

P. 'Snowcushion'

Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Armin on April 08, 2013, 06:19:14 PM
David,
I like those little Primula cushions. They bring so much color in a gardeners life ;D.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Helen Johnstone on April 09, 2013, 07:53:08 PM
A new arrival Primula 'Aire Mist'
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Helen Johnstone on April 09, 2013, 07:55:55 PM
First flower on my first auricula - grown from unnamed seed sown in 2011
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 09, 2013, 08:12:07 PM
Very nice Helen. Primula 'Aire Mist is a cross made by a breeder called Peter Lister some years ago now using a white form of P.allionii crossed with P. auricula 'Blairside Yellow'. A plant called 'Aire Waves' is from the same cross if you want the pair.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ranunculus on April 09, 2013, 08:42:10 PM
Something to aim for ...

Primula 'Pink Aire' exhibited at North Midland AGS Show last Saturday.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ranunculus on April 09, 2013, 08:47:14 PM
Primula 'Clarence Elliott' at the same show.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 09, 2013, 08:59:00 PM
Two good 'uns. Time you were in bed Mr B, long day tomorrow.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ranunculus on April 09, 2013, 09:06:59 PM
Thanks David,
We are actually in a lovely B&B in Bridgwater ... breaking the journey and heading for Hestercombe in the morning before meeting up with you all for the lecture at Ashburton. See you tomorrow.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Helen Johnstone on April 09, 2013, 09:54:14 PM
Very nice Helen. Primula 'Aire Mist is a cross made by a breeder called Peter Lister some years ago now using a white form of P.allionii crossed with P. auricula 'Blairside Yellow'. A plant called 'Aire Waves' is from the same cross if you want the pair.
many thanks David for the information.  I can see the auricula genes in the leaves.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on April 10, 2013, 04:37:27 PM
Didn't like the recent snow very much:
Blutenkissen
Craddock White
Duchess of York
elatior
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on April 10, 2013, 04:39:25 PM
Elizabeth Browning
Garryard Crimson
Hall Barn Blue
heterochroma (from a forumist a few yrs ago)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on April 10, 2013, 04:41:02 PM
Iris Mainwairing
Lingwood Beauty
Romeo
Rosemary Cottage
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on April 10, 2013, 04:42:40 PM
sibthorpii
Snowcushion
Wanda
Wisley Red
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Armin on April 10, 2013, 05:07:28 PM
Giles,
lovely clumps of primulas. They certainly make a great show!
Your P. elatior is quite enhanced compared to mine. It is one of my favourite native primulas.
And thanks - have now a name for my 'Wanda' :)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on April 10, 2013, 07:25:46 PM
Wild collected primroses from named locations, given to me by forumists:
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on April 10, 2013, 07:27:16 PM
mostly from one forumist's Turkish travels:
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on April 10, 2013, 07:29:41 PM
the grand finale being the forumists' primrose path
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Roma on April 10, 2013, 09:49:40 PM
Lovely selection, Giles.  The few outdoor primulas daring to open buds here have been well damaged by the weather.
A few flowering in the greenhouse
  Primula 'Lismore Yellow'
  Primula 'Kusum Krishna'
  Primula auricula 'Shaun'
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 11, 2013, 09:59:39 AM
Great show Giles. I think the first image from the forumist Turkish travels series (the deep purple/mauve one) is an absolute stormer.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on April 11, 2013, 04:42:08 PM
Barnhaven strains:
Guilded Ginger
Fireflies
Amethyst Cowichan

(remember to wake me up next Spring)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Helen Johnstone on April 11, 2013, 06:13:08 PM
Lovely Barnhaven primulas - just sown my first ones, hopefully I will have something similar in a couple of years
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 12, 2013, 05:00:33 PM
A couple in flower this week.

Primula marginata 'Drake's Blue'. This one a kind gift from LucG some years ago now and it's never looked better.

Primula 'Eden Blue Star'. This is actually a border Auricula but it doesn't seem to bulk up and would be lost in the garden. There is a possibility that offsets of Primula 'Blue Wave' I've sent out could turn out to Eden Blue Star. The two look exactly the same in leaf and my plant was wrongly labelled as Blue Wave. If this happens to you do please let me know and I'll correct it for you as soon as I have more offsets available.

Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Richard Williams on April 14, 2013, 10:38:44 PM
A few photos of some of my primulas growing in a polytunnel. This year everything is very late especially the allionii but seem to be flowering well. Living about 8 miles from the sea it's not ideal for allioniii growing around here and some varieties have turned up their toes over the winter which tends to be damp and mild. The marginatas just seem to get on with it and now they are growing in larger pots are looking to put on a good show this year.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 15, 2013, 04:38:42 PM
That is some collection Richard, lovely.

Here's one from the garden, Primula vulgaris 'Maisie Michael', not very easy to photograph and is a much deeper/richer creamy-yellow than it shows on the image, beautiful foliage too. Sometimes seen as 'Maisey Michael. I have read that it is a selected seedling from P. 'Guinevere' raised by that expert in Primroses, Joe Kennedy from Co. Antrim. There is an interesting article on Kennedy Primroses by Liam Byrne in the Ulster AGS Group Newsletter, see page 20 here:-  http://www.alpinegardensociety.ie/sources/AGS%20Newsletter%2058%20Summer%202012.pdf (http://www.alpinegardensociety.ie/sources/AGS%20Newsletter%2058%20Summer%202012.pdf)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 15, 2013, 05:04:50 PM
A few from the greenhouse today:-

Primula x pubescens 'Henry Hall'
P. 'Lindum Wedgewood'
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 15, 2013, 05:05:52 PM
Primula 'Lindum 'Malcolms Mate'
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 15, 2013, 05:12:43 PM
I was lucky enough to scrounge a few offsets last year from a local grower and have grown them on and these will provide the base for building up my collection again:-

Primula allionii 'Sapphire'
P. allionii 'Jackie Richards'
P. allionii 'Stradbrook Variegated'
P. 'Broadwell Milkmaid'
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on April 15, 2013, 05:46:14 PM
Here's one from the garden, Primula vulgaris 'Maisie Michael', not very easy to photograph and is a much deeper/richer creamy-yellow than it shows on the image, beautiful foliage too. Sometimes seen as 'Maisey Michael. I have read that it is a selected seedling from P. 'Guinevere' raised by that expert in Primroses, Joe Kennedy from Co. Antrim. There is an interesting article on Kennedy Primroses by Liam Byrne in the Ulster AGS Group Newsletter, see page 20 here:-  http://www.alpinegardensociety.ie/sources/AGS%20Newsletter%2058%20Summer%202012.pdf (http://www.alpinegardensociety.ie/sources/AGS%20Newsletter%2058%20Summer%202012.pdf)

The late Maisie Michael was one of the sweetest people it has ever been my good fortune to meet.
How well I remember the "old days" when Maisie was one  the crowd who came across each year for the SRGC Discussion weekend. Happy Days!

Members in the USA may be interested to learn that Mr Kennedy's collaboration with Patrick Fitzgerald means that these plants are now available in the USA ...... see here:

http://fitzgeraldnurseries.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/announcing-kennedy-irish-primrose.html (http://fitzgeraldnurseries.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/announcing-kennedy-irish-primrose.html)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 15, 2013, 06:51:11 PM
The late Maisie Michael was one of the sweetest people it has ever been my good fortune to meet.
How well I remember the "old days" when Maisie was one  the crowd who came across each year for the SRGC Discussion weekend. Happy Days!

I think I read that Maisie died 25 years ago now.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on April 15, 2013, 07:08:22 PM
I think I read that Maisie died 25 years ago now.
No - surely not? Can it really be so long ago? :o :-X
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 15, 2013, 07:23:47 PM
No - surely not? Can it really be so long ago? :o :-X

Yes, page 15 on the link I posted earlier. You must have been in pigtails then Maggi?
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on April 15, 2013, 07:31:34 PM
Yes, page 15 on the link I posted earlier. You must have been in pigtails then Maggi?
So it is- right above a photo of Harold McBride and Ray Drew .  Mercy -  25 years.  :-[

Not pigtails, David, I  must still have been in a pram....... :-\ ::)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Richard Williams on April 15, 2013, 09:56:44 PM
David
Some nice Lindum ones there especially Malcolms Mate and Stradbrook variegated is a new one on me. Has the latter variegated Leaves or Flowers?
On a more general note anyone any suggestions how I can get my hands on Marginata Casterino? it was last listed on the RHS plantfinder in 2006. I've around 40 varieties of marginata and another dozen hybrids of marginataesque bloodlines but Casterino has so far evaded my searching.
Photos attached are Marginata Herb Dixon & Ivy Agee and a seedling from an x marginata lemon meringue from the Northern NAPS seed exchange . It's kept the marginata type of leaf but a nice yellow colour and I do like yellow primula hybrids.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 16, 2013, 08:37:16 PM
David
Some nice Lindum ones there especially Malcolms Mate and Stradbrook variegated is a new one on me. Has the latter variegated Leaves or Flowers?
On a more general note anyone any suggestions how I can get my hands on Marginata Casterino? it was last listed on the RHS plantfinder in 2006. I've around 40 varieties of marginata and another dozen hybrids of marginataesque bloodlines but Casterino has so far evaded my searching.
Photos attached are Marginata Herb Dixon & Ivy Agee and a seedling from an x marginata lemon meringue from the Northern NAPS seed exchange . It's kept the marginata type of leaf but a nice yellow colour and I do like yellow primula hybrids.

Richard, the leaf margins of Stradbrook Variegated have a distinct creamy/yellow colour.

I had marginata 'Casterino' in my previous Primula collection which I disposed of some years ago and I think it came as a gift from a European forumist so it may well be available at one or other of the European nurseries, I'll do a bit of research and let you know.

Your little yellow seedling is a good looker. If you are interested in yellow hybrids, and I am, I wonder if you have read about the breeding work David Philbey has been doing for many years now. You might be interested in these two Links:-
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/discussion/underglass/Primulas+Everywhere/244/ (http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/discussion/underglass/Primulas+Everywhere/244/)
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2011May261306444476IRGMay2011.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2011May261306444476IRGMay2011.pdf)

If you produce a Sales List I would welcome a copy please?


 
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 17, 2013, 04:41:48 AM
He has to Marianne, no-one else will talk to him ;D

You're saying David, that they answer back? :-\
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 17, 2013, 05:16:22 AM


Members in the USA may be interested to learn that Mr Kennedy's collaboration with Patrick Fitzgerald means that these plants are now available in the USA ...... see here:

http://fitzgeraldnurseries.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/announcing-kennedy-irish-primrose.html (http://fitzgeraldnurseries.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/announcing-kennedy-irish-primrose.html)

I just went to your link David and read right through that amazing newsletter. A fantastic effort for what is, after all, a local group. Ours, at best gives a few dates and talk reminders, the occasional changed email address. We've had discussion recently about the fact that we've lost so many members in recent years, sometimes through death but more, from out-of-town people losing interest in the meetings they often or usually can't attend and we've had major problems too with recent seedlists, so what do we do to keep the interest of these members? A much enhanced newsletter would be one suggestion and though we wouldn't, I think, strive to emulate the Irish one, we could get some good ideas from theirs. So I'll be taking that to the next committee meeting I can attend, in June.

I wish we could get seed of these beautiful Irish primroses, since we can't get the plants. So many of us now are feeling quite depressed about the total lack of new material available to dedicated gardeners.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on April 17, 2013, 02:27:41 PM
Annemijne
Lady Greer
Old Port
Petticoat
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on April 17, 2013, 02:29:16 PM
Rosemary Cottage
Self seeder
vulgaris
William Genders
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on April 17, 2013, 02:30:08 PM
Spring colour under glass and outdoors.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 17, 2013, 04:32:11 PM
Very nice Giles, I don't usually like doubles but Petticoat is a stunner.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 17, 2013, 07:36:59 PM
Fantastic collection Giles !  :o :o

A couple in flower this week.

Primula marginata 'Drake's Blue'. This one a kind gift from LucG some years ago now and it's never looked better.


I gathered you would give it a good new home, David !  ;)

1) Primula x berninae 'Windrush' - in flower
2) Primula marginata x allionii 'The best' nearing it's best  ;)
(result from a Forum swap with JohnW a couple of years ago - so the plant crossed the Atlantic  :D) - Isn't this Forum unique ??

Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 17, 2013, 08:42:14 PM
Fantastic collection Giles !  :o :o

I gathered you would give it a good new home, David !  ;)

1) Primula x berninae 'Windrush' - in flower
2) Primula marginata x allionii 'The best' nearing it's best  ;)
(result from a Forum swap with JohnW a couple of years ago - so the plant crossed the Atlantic  :D) - Isn't this Forum unique ??

It seems happy enough Luc. A couple of nice ones there.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 17, 2013, 11:19:04 PM
I do agree David, about 'Petticoat,' really lovely. We had 'Old Port' at one stage, but I haven't seen it for years. Gone to that great smoking room in the sky perhaps?
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Roma on April 18, 2013, 09:14:52 PM
Primula whitei
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: johnw on April 18, 2013, 09:35:18 PM
Really Roma, I've so little hair left to pull out!  ;)

johnw
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Mike Ireland on April 19, 2013, 01:33:15 PM
Primula julii
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 19, 2013, 09:36:38 PM
1) So happy with the first flower opening on Primula maximowiczii (sown Jan. 2012)

2) Primula marginata "Mauve Mist" in excellent shape !
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on April 19, 2013, 10:11:32 PM
1) So happy with the first flower opening on Primula maximowiczii (sown Jan. 2012)

Great Luc !
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 22, 2013, 06:47:44 AM
I have an out-of-seasn stem of flowers (mid autumn here at present) on P wollastonii. No pics though. No time as I leave on Thursday for the Czech Conference. ;D
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on April 22, 2013, 10:11:02 AM
Travel well, Lesley- see you soon!!
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: hadacekf on April 22, 2013, 07:48:53 PM
Primula marginata in rock garden.
Primula viscosa hyb.



Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 25, 2013, 07:29:51 PM
Lovely plants Franz.

A few of mine from the greenhouse:-

Primula 'Blue Wave'
Primula marginata 'Casterino'  which I found today lurking at the back of the shelf in the greenhouse having thought I had given it away a few  years ago.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 25, 2013, 07:31:26 PM
Primula x pubescens 'Cream Viscosa'
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Armin on April 26, 2013, 11:26:41 AM
David,
stunning 'Blue Wave' 8) 8) 8)
My one survived this winter (in pot put on window sill of non-heated garage) but no flowers (yet)  :D
The other is lovely, too.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on April 26, 2013, 06:24:02 PM
Barnhaven seedling
Blue Riband
Blue Sapphire
Drumcliff
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on April 26, 2013, 06:25:58 PM
juliae
Lambrook Mauve
McWatts Cream
Tomato Red
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on April 26, 2013, 06:28:49 PM
P. maximowiczii
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 28, 2013, 11:52:02 AM
Do you like this one David.?

Primula auricula Sonia Nicholle x Yellow.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on April 29, 2013, 09:29:40 AM
All mine are outdoors.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Roma on April 29, 2013, 10:43:10 AM
I bought a pack of three primulas sometime last year and two are incorrect but I can't remember where I got them.  I think it was either Suttons or Mr Fothergill but I can't find the order confirmation email or the delivery note.  ( I can find older ones but not the one I want ).  I have had very good plants from both in the past so it is rather disappointing.

Primula not Elizabeth Killelay
Primula not Dark Rosaleen,  very pretty but not correct
Dark Rosaleen from Mr Fothergill in September 2011
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 29, 2013, 08:32:40 PM
Do you like this one David.?

Primula auricula Sonia Nicholle x Yellow.

Not one that strikes me Michael, sorry :-[
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 29, 2013, 08:56:30 PM
 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 29, 2013, 09:04:51 PM
What about this.?

Primula auricula Timpany seedling.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 29, 2013, 09:24:03 PM
Different kettle of fish that one Michael. David likes!! ;D
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 29, 2013, 09:24:47 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Helen Johnstone on April 29, 2013, 10:15:20 PM
Bought this weekend Primla Auricula 'Twiggy' - love the name and great colour
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on April 29, 2013, 11:01:49 PM
I was even more sorry I was unable to attend the Highland SRGC show in Nairn last Saturday when I  saw all the great primulas  for sale - see here : pic 056
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10388.msg275221#msg275221 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10388.msg275221#msg275221)    8)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 30, 2013, 08:16:34 PM
Lovely little plant Helen.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Richard Williams on April 30, 2013, 09:25:26 PM
Last Saturday was the NAPS Midlands section auricula show at Knowle. With no auriculas up to the mark I took a selection of this years batch of primula seedlings to try my luck. Delighted to have got best seedling in show with an open pollinated Northern Lights plant, with 2nd and 3rd in the same seedling class with plants of same breeding. Forth photo is of an Ossett snowball open pollinated seedling that was one of the 2nd prize open pairs. Next job names...
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on April 30, 2013, 09:54:38 PM
Well done Richard, some lovely plants there.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: mark smyth on May 03, 2013, 05:22:36 PM
Out and about yesterday evening I discovered what looked like a pure white yellow centred P. vulgaris shining out from the dark of a hedge. I picked a flower and in daylight its a lovely palest cream. Are these common? Saw lots of pinks ones also
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on May 03, 2013, 08:09:13 PM
Well, Primulaceae anyway:-

Soldanella montana-three years since it last flowered
S. villosa
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on May 04, 2013, 03:04:38 PM
I'll stick with what I'm familiar with, David  ;)
Sunshine Susie
Buckland Wine
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on May 04, 2013, 03:05:54 PM
Eden Greenfinch
Old Red Dusty Miller
seedling
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on May 04, 2013, 03:07:51 PM
Some Japanese sieboldii cultivars (the droopy ones are meant to be like that)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on May 04, 2013, 07:16:42 PM
As you might have guessed from the name Giles Buckland Wine has a Devon connection. It was introduced in 1965 by the then Champernowne Nurseries in Buckland Monochorum (close to The Garden House and Keith Wiley's Wildside Garden and Nursery). Source Peter Ward's very useful book "Primroses & Polyanthus A guide to the Species and Hybrids" Batsford 1997.

Nice sieboldii by the way I can't grow them.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: mark smyth on May 04, 2013, 10:28:50 PM
Is anyone buying Joe Kennedys Irish Primroses?
http://www.johnstowngardencentre.ie/Shop_Search_Results.aspx?bizsearch=primula (http://www.johnstowngardencentre.ie/Shop_Search_Results.aspx?bizsearch=primula)

They are fabulous. He has one with petaloid calyx
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 04, 2013, 11:07:09 PM
Mark they are not available here,I asked my brother in Wexford if he could get me some as they advertised for sale in a garden centre there ,but when he went there was none.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: mark smyth on May 04, 2013, 11:12:42 PM
Michael, Johnstown do mail order and they come very well packed
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Richard Williams on May 05, 2013, 09:09:24 AM
Some Japanese sieboldii cultivars (the droopy ones are meant to be like that)
Giles - nice sieboldii any of them named? mine are now in full flower and looking good, Now doing the usual count up of how many have turned up their toes over the winter. The Japanese ones seem to be less partial to our conditions here in south Wales than the UK bred ones.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ashley on May 05, 2013, 11:58:10 AM
More fine plants Giles 8)

Here:
Primula deflexa   
P. macrophylla
P. munroi
CC7163
P. sinopurpurea
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ashley on May 05, 2013, 12:01:31 PM
Primula simensis
P. wanda
'Tomato Red'
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ashley on May 05, 2013, 12:05:46 PM
These Barnhaven seedlings were planted out too late last autumn to make much growth, but should be bigger next year.
However the colours are so rich.

Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Gerdk on May 06, 2013, 07:59:34 AM
Primula simensis

Great plant - well cultivated!

Gerd
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on May 06, 2013, 03:16:44 PM
P.sieboldii's
Mikado
Snowdrop
Barnhaven seedling
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on May 06, 2013, 03:20:29 PM
2 Barnhaven auricula seedlings
Starry (petals mealy all over)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on May 06, 2013, 03:21:55 PM
Corporal Baxter
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ranunculus on May 06, 2013, 03:37:40 PM
Shouldn't that be Primula sinensis?  (or am I way behind as usual)?  :D
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ashley on May 06, 2013, 05:57:41 PM
Cliff P. simensis (http://www.primulaworld.com/PWweb/gallery/simensis/index.html) is an outlier species from Ethiopia, named after the Simien mountains.  Formerly it was considered a subspecies of P. verticillata which occurs on the Arabian peninsula including Yemen.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on May 06, 2013, 07:29:22 PM
Nice Primula collection there Ashley with some I haven't seen before. I think I would really struggle with some of them.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ranunculus on May 06, 2013, 07:32:14 PM
Many thanks, Ashley.  Google doesn't recognise it, but that shouldn't really surprise me. You learn something new every day.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ashley on May 06, 2013, 07:56:26 PM
They enjoy the cool wet summers that make growing Mediterranean bulbs here such an exercise in perversity David ;D
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on May 08, 2013, 04:24:00 PM
P.sieboldii:
Blush
Seraphim
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on May 08, 2013, 04:25:37 PM
Noboruko
Shiokemuri
Taoyame
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Roma on May 08, 2013, 08:11:20 PM
I split up and moved some gold laced polyanthus and Garnet Cowichans two years ago and they are looking good this year (or were till today when I noticed a rabbit has been eating the flowers)
Also in the bed are some Bellarina primroses.  The cream and yellow ones are particularly good
Primula 'Dark Rosaleen'
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Roma on May 08, 2013, 08:16:37 PM
Other primulas around the garden are
Chevithorne Pink'
Dawn Ansell
Guinevere
Primula juliae and
Tipperary Purple
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ranunculus on May 08, 2013, 08:17:33 PM
Super, Roma ... what a display.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Richard Williams on May 08, 2013, 08:24:27 PM
Primula sieboldii, flowering now
Mihonokoji
Mikininonomare
Seedling (home made)
Turunokegoromo
Yuuhibeni
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Jean-Patrick AGIER on May 09, 2013, 11:26:57 AM
Hello,
Here's my first Primula AURICULA.
A lovely double-flowered one
With thanks to Fleur Bleue.
JP
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: K-D Keller on May 09, 2013, 10:50:50 PM
Primula-Auricula-Hybrids
Picture 1 to 4 are Borders and picture 5 Green Edged Fancie
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Yann on May 11, 2013, 11:36:40 PM
Among the pots.....

Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on May 17, 2013, 10:30:45 AM
In IRG 17 of 2011, there was a piece from ZZ about the English Primula specialist, David Philbey -
you may be interested to see more of David's primulas and glasshouse display, shown by his step-son, the photographer, Jon Evans, in the AGS website :
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/discussion/underglass//Primulas+Everywhere/244/?page=1 (http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/discussion/underglass//Primulas+Everywhere/244/?page=1)
 8)

IRG 17 link, May 2011:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2011May261306444476IRGMay2011.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2011May261306444476IRGMay2011.pdf)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on May 21, 2013, 02:15:03 PM
Primula takedana  - does well planted out in the garden
Matthew Yates/cauliflower
Best seedling
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on May 23, 2013, 07:26:22 PM
..some blue sieboldii's..
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Roma on May 23, 2013, 10:33:02 PM
First flowering of Primula aureata from  SRGC seed sown in January 2010 which germinated in March 2011. I didn't think petiolarid primulas germinated from stored seed but three did.
Seed heads of some primulas can look as good as the flowers
Primula calderiana
Primula auricula Rumbling Bridge strain
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: sippa on May 25, 2013, 03:52:10 PM


Hi all,

Look what I found blooming in my greenhouse when I came back from the Czech Republic.  A double auricula grown from the double specialist Derek Salt's seed.  I love the color and the farina on the petals.  It looks like a chocolate truffle.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on May 27, 2013, 05:25:28 PM
Marianne,
- fantastic colour.

Some pink sieboldii seedlings
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on May 27, 2013, 05:27:15 PM
'Sangoguko'
 - from a nursery in Belgium a few yrs ago.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on May 27, 2013, 05:36:09 PM
Oh dear, I am developing a severe  case of sieboldii envy......
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Graham Catlow on May 29, 2013, 08:12:09 PM
I thought this would be the best place for advice.

My primulas are dying!
It looks as though someone has sprayed them with weed killer.
Some are up to 3m from the others.
There is Primula wanda 'hose in hose', elatior, and a couple of Barnhaven cowichans (I think).

Does anyone have any idea what might be going on please?

Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Susan Band on May 29, 2013, 08:52:35 PM
have you dug one up to have a look, might be vine weevil grubs  :-\
Was it the foliage very new, then it could be frost damage but any under bushes should have escaped the slight frost a couple of nights ago
Rule out these possibilities first
Susan
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Graham Catlow on May 29, 2013, 09:10:40 PM
Thanks for the suggestions Susan.
I have just been for an investigation and they have a good root system and no signs of vine weevil.
The P. wanda were the first to show signs and I don't know when that was but is was certainly more than a couple of days ago, and we haven't had any frosts recently.

Graham
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on May 29, 2013, 11:48:36 PM
that's truely strange. I would think elatior would be very hardy as it's a native. I also thought vine weevil but I've never seen it in open ground - plus they seem to be the only plants affected.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on May 29, 2013, 11:50:55 PM
what are the crowns like? might it be some kind of fungus/ bacterial infection?  Other than that it looks like drought..I would assume you would have already seen that developing
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Graham Catlow on May 30, 2013, 06:58:59 AM
Hi Mark,
The 'Wanda' seem to have good crowns but the others just look dead. I was wondering if anyone might suggest a bacteria/virus. I think I might dispose of the sick ones just in case.
They have a good deep root system and in digging down the ground is still moist so I don't think it is drought.

Thanks for your suggestions.
Graham
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Susan Band on May 30, 2013, 08:09:19 AM
the Wanda type of primulas have a shelf life if never split. About 5 years and they loose their vigor. Usually they just stop producing leaves rather than suddenly die. It might be worth splitting them and potting them up separately to see if that helps.
Susan
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Gail on May 30, 2013, 08:13:58 AM
Graham - do you think it may be this?
http://www.apsnet.org/publications/PlantDisease/BackIssues/Documents/1988Articles/PlantDisease72n08_672.pdf (http://www.apsnet.org/publications/PlantDisease/BackIssues/Documents/1988Articles/PlantDisease72n08_672.pdf)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Mark Griffiths on May 30, 2013, 09:41:19 AM
While it has been very dry here until recently I think I felt my drought guess was a bit of a long shot because you have very tender looking things next to them which would have in theory also been hit. Which probably also discounts herbiside unless the other things have only appeared in the last week or so.

I've not read the full material Gail posted but I spotted P. vulgaris in there so it's not just the greenhouse ones. Have you brought in any new plants?

Hope it's not a disease because it looks really aggressive and if native plants are keeling over I worry this might start appearing in the wild.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Graham Catlow on May 30, 2013, 05:52:33 PM
Hi Gail,
That's very much what this looks like except that the crowns of the 'wanda' seem quite firm. It may be that they will deteriorate.
I think for the sake of some others in other parts of the garden I will destroy all plants with the symptoms and hope that will end the problem. None are of any real significance (to me) and could be replaced in a few years time if this controls the problem.

Mark - no new Primulas.

Thanks to you all for your input.

Graham
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Armin on May 30, 2013, 08:47:48 PM
Graham,
have you recently fertilzed your primulas or garden?
Burned roots could be the reason for the rot too.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: WimB on May 30, 2013, 08:57:00 PM
..some blue sieboldii's..

Wow, didn't know these existed!

'Sangoguko'
 - from a nursery in Belgium a few yrs ago.

 From which nursery?  ;)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Graham Catlow on May 30, 2013, 10:41:41 PM
Graham,
have you recently fertilzed your primulas or garden?
Burned roots could be the reason for the rot too.

Hi Armin,
No fertiliser and the roots were in good condition.
All plants disposed of this evening. I will just have to keep an eye on all other Primulas and remove them as soon as I see the problem starting.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on May 31, 2013, 02:36:01 PM
The 'Sangoguko' came from http://www.vasteplant.be/ (http://www.vasteplant.be/)
Yes blue ones exist. This is my best one - bluer on the back of the petals.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on May 31, 2013, 07:47:08 PM
Primula 'Miller's Crimson'
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on May 31, 2013, 07:52:05 PM
Primula 'Postford White'  sorry, poor pic.
P. pulverulenta
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: WimB on May 31, 2013, 08:03:20 PM
The 'Sangoguko' came from http://www.vasteplant.be/ (http://www.vasteplant.be/)
Yes blue ones exist. This is my best one - bluer on the back of the petals.

Well, Jan's Nursery...it's been ages since I've been there, time for another visit!  ;D

Very nice blue one, Giles  :)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Leena on June 01, 2013, 05:23:54 AM
The 'Sangoguko' came from http://www.vasteplant.be/ (http://www.vasteplant.be/)
Yes blue ones exist. This is my best one - bluer on the back of the petals.

Really beautiful plant.
I have 'Manakoora' from Barnhaven starting to flower now for the first time, it is nice, but can't compare to
'Sangoguko'. :)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Leena on June 01, 2013, 12:37:20 PM
Does anyone know what Primula this is? (There is P.sieboldii in the middle picture beside it)
I had bought the seeds from Gothenburg Botanical Garden as Primula aurantiaca, but all the descriptions  don't match.
It is the very first candelabra primula to flower here, P.japonica, P.beesiana and P. x bullesiana come about two weeks later.
The buds and top of flower stems are mealy, and the mid rib of the leaf is green.

Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: sippa on June 01, 2013, 01:11:37 PM


Hi Leena,

It looks like a Primula chungensis.  They are flowering now in Vermont.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Leena on June 01, 2013, 03:11:21 PM
Thank you Sippa. :)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on June 01, 2013, 07:24:02 PM
Primula deflexa
****Not what it's meant to be
more sieboldii's (is there a cure?)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ashley on June 01, 2013, 10:22:01 PM
****Not what it's meant to be

Same here.  I got it from the exchange several years ago as P. tanneri, which obviously it's not.

Handsome deflexa too, somewhat taller and darker than mine.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on June 04, 2013, 02:31:00 PM
Summer bedding.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on June 04, 2013, 03:59:33 PM
Oh, good grief................ :o
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Giles on June 04, 2013, 07:06:03 PM
sieboldii's make good ground cover - 8)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: deplantspecialist on June 07, 2013, 08:51:11 PM
Some Primula's  in pots in my garden and on my hobby nursery in Holland

    Primula cortusoides
    Primula daonensis
    Primula fasciculata 2
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: WimB on June 07, 2013, 09:22:53 PM
sieboldii's make good ground cover - 8)

That they do, Giles  ;) ;D Although Primula japonica is nice as a ground cover too.  :)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: WimB on June 07, 2013, 09:23:42 PM
Some Primula's  in pots in my garden and on my hobby nursery in Holland

    Primula cortusoides
    Primula daonensis
    Primula fasciculata 2

Peter, you going international??  ;)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: deplantspecialist on June 07, 2013, 09:42:48 PM
Hoi Wim, yes Maggi told me to do so. Hahaha



 :P
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 08, 2013, 12:08:32 AM
Could the *****not deflexa possibly be muscarioides? Mine has died but left masses of seed. (Anyone want some? send postal address.)

For now I'm waiting for the Barnhaven seedlist as I need to replace ALL my sieboldiis, drought sufferers in my previous garden but here they should make super spreading mats - if I clear out the ivy seedlings.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Susan Band on June 08, 2013, 08:12:58 AM
Lesley,
This is where Jelitto's sieboldii seed comes from.  ;)
Susan
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 09, 2013, 03:17:57 AM
Forget Barnhaven then, contact Jellito's, ASAP. I especially want blues and whites, but as many as possible actually. They'll make lovely groundcovers under my trees instead of the masses and masses of black Ophiopagon that's there at present.

Bought a 'Paul's Scarlet Crataegus yesterday, found quite by chance in a local garden centre. Not only a gorgeous thing which I had to leave behind, but this small one (1 metre) is beautifully shaped as well. And 40% off the price as well, in a collection of left over oddments. ;D
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Roma on June 11, 2013, 08:25:55 PM
Primula monroi  dwarf white form from Aberconway
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ranunculus on June 11, 2013, 08:30:51 PM
Wow, Roma ... what a stunning, almost shortia like, gem.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Roma on June 11, 2013, 08:49:05 PM
Thanks Cliff
Here are a few more pics .  It looks like little butterflies in the cold frame and I love the dark corolla tube contrasting with the white petals
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ranunculus on June 11, 2013, 08:51:44 PM
Very pretty indeed.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ashley on June 11, 2013, 09:41:27 PM
Beautiful Roma.  I prefer it to the purple form.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Pauli on June 14, 2013, 02:45:34 PM
I have been on tour but was a few weeks too late - I found only very young developing seed.
Does anybody have an idea about the species?

 added : The primula in post 261 is kitaibeliana, pictured in the Velebit range!
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ebbie on June 14, 2013, 04:58:13 PM
That is difficult to say. Was your tour in the northeastern Kalkalpen? Then it could be Primula clusiana. A Primula that grows well in my garden but never blooms.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Pauli on June 14, 2013, 05:46:41 PM
Ebbie,

that would be too easy. Clusiana is only about 70 km from my home - I woukd not call that a tour!
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: TC on June 14, 2013, 07:10:21 PM
Roma
Thanks for your post !  I have been repotting some plants today and came across a pot of 5 seedling primula.  The label was almost unreadable but I could make out the word munro..and also something like involucrata.  I had no idea what they are and where I got the seed from.
The plants are about 1" high with identical leaves to yours so I now know what to expect.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Pauli on June 17, 2013, 05:17:21 PM
The primula in post 261 is kitaibeliana, pictured in the Velebit range!
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: TC on June 20, 2013, 12:29:14 PM
My "monroi" flowered today.  Still not sure if it the same plant as Roma's although it looks similar.  Surprisingly it has a beautiful scent .
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ashley on June 20, 2013, 10:38:43 PM
I think it looks right Tom, although much later than here (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10019.msg275811#msg275811).  I can't remember about the scent.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Claire Cockcroft on June 21, 2013, 01:02:28 AM
In the wild, Primula munroi is very variable.  I've seen it with fairly stout stems and a brown fuzzy coating on the flower buds and I've also seen it with much flimsier stems and no brown coating.  The colors I've seen ranged from white to dark pink and flower size was very varied, too.

Here are some pictures showing different color forms from the Himachal Pradesh.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on June 21, 2013, 11:45:34 AM
You are most fortunate to have seen this beauty in the wild, Claire. Thank you for sharing with us!  :-*
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: TC on June 21, 2013, 07:19:07 PM
A few more primula in flower.
Primula Scotica grown from old seed collected at Cape Wrath.  The plant is flowering at the same time as I would expect in its native soil.
It does not even reach 1" in this picture.
The others are of candelabra primula which have self seeded in the garden and will reach weed proportions if I do not move them on.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Hoy on June 23, 2013, 12:10:58 PM
Could this be a monroi too? Or a close relative? Probably Chadwell seed but it germinated where it shouldn't and I have no other like it.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Hoy on June 23, 2013, 05:13:37 PM
- and could this be Primula sikkimensis?
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: TC on June 23, 2013, 07:11:08 PM
It looks very much like sikkimensis as described and illustrated in John Richards PRIMULA and also like a few I have in my garden.
I am always a bit wary of naming my primula as there seems to be a bit of cross pollination going on with florindae.  My sikkimensis are also  scented.
Your monroi is a dead ringer for mine although your's has more flower stalks.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Hoy on June 23, 2013, 10:02:37 PM
Thanks Tom. Have to  sniff the sikkimensis to be sure then!
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ashley on June 24, 2013, 08:26:51 PM
Primula flaccida
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on June 24, 2013, 08:32:36 PM
Super plants, Ashley: the scent must be glorious.  Such a shame they are stuck with the name flaccida - I much preferred it when we could call them P. nutans.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ashley on June 24, 2013, 08:46:48 PM
True about the name Maggi, but to my nose the 'scent' is like one of the more horrible 'air fresheners' :-X ;D
I love the bracts on top, like grey roof shingles.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on June 24, 2013, 08:52:55 PM
Crikey- what a different take on the scent - for me it's almost as good as reidii-williamsii.  I find the differing perceptions of scent quite fascinating-  Malcolm  McGregor always thought fragrance in plants would make a good journal article- but I couldn't see how it would work - with so many conflicting opinions on each scent, how would they be described, or make sense (! ;D!) of it?
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: ashley on June 24, 2013, 09:00:51 PM
Perception of scent is not just subjective either; there's probably a strong genetic component, for both smeller and smellee ;D
My reidii won't flower this year so unfortunately I can't make a comparison.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: TC on June 24, 2013, 10:38:34 PM
Scent is always a difficult subject.  I can only smell a few species of cyclamen much to Cindy's annoyance.  She will come into the glasshouse when the cyclamen are in bloom and say what a gorgeous smell to which my reply is I can't smell anything.  "But you MUST !   ....NO, I can't !
Almost fisticuffs !  Then I will say, that magnolia has a beautiful scent....well I can't smell it,and so on.
I presume it is something to do with the receptors in our nose.  I cannot stand the smell of cucumber-it's overpowering to me.  I can smell it in the minutest quantity and it can even taint a salad if a knife has been used for cucumber and then used for cutting tomatoes or any other veg.
Sometimes I can even smell water !  I would have been handy on the old western cattle drives leading the herd and cowboys to the hidden water holes !
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Hoy on July 04, 2013, 08:58:07 PM
I planted this one before I knew what it was, it is too huge for the place: Primula florinda I suppose. And an updated P munroi.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Helen Johnstone on July 20, 2013, 08:15:01 PM
I have a number of seed trays of various primula seedlings which havent been pricked out due to me being away and work commitments - should I wait now or is it Ok to prick out now.  They look very healthy and have definately grown in the last week or so
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 22, 2013, 11:12:17 AM
I understand the UK is having a heatwave so I'd be a bit wary of pricking out primulas right now Helen. But perhaps, if you have a cool, shaded place to put the little ones and can keep them damp. I'm doing some potting here which I NEVER do in June/July because the disturbed roots don't start to grow until there's some warmth in the air and there certainly ain't right now, right here, but I have these two little polytunnels - well, joined together to make one actually - and so I'm hoping the night air is a little warmer and the sun, the little we're getting, will be intensified by the plastic covers. The nearest thing I've ever had to a glasshouse, after all these years.

Of seed I've been sowing up to almost two months ago, not a single germination yet, so it's still winter, but crocuses everywhere. :)
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Helen Johnstone on July 22, 2013, 11:13:45 AM
Thank you Lesley
The heatwave is meant to be ending this week - I do hope so.
I think I might try some and see how they go but provide lots of shade and mositure. 
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on September 01, 2013, 07:44:56 PM
Went to Coleton Fishacre today ( http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/coleton-fishacre/history/ (http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/coleton-fishacre/history/)  ) forgot to take the camera, and what should I spy. In a wooded glade, one little primrose in full flower, can Spring be far behind!!
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on October 18, 2013, 01:25:17 PM
First one in the greenhouse to flower Primula 'Blue Wave'

.... and the first ones in the garden are out too including a couple of Primroses I can't get at with the camera, and this little hybrid whose colour I can't get properly.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Armin on October 19, 2013, 02:10:43 PM
David,

'Blue Wave' is very lovely.
Mine set a flower stem but flowers aborted to open. :-\
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on October 19, 2013, 07:26:57 PM
Was that last year or this Armin?
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Armin on October 20, 2013, 09:14:50 PM
David,
this year. Stem is still green but buds aborted.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Lesley Cox on October 21, 2013, 11:45:50 PM
The 'Blue Wave' seed you sent to me David has flowered now (washed out by rain now) but was an odd brownish purple colour. Interesting rather than beautiful. Just 3 seedlings, and just the 1 flowered. Maybe the others will be different next year.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on October 22, 2013, 08:45:10 PM
Hi Lesley,

Here's a couple of mine from the same batch
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 23, 2013, 08:32:32 AM
Very nice, David!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on December 30, 2013, 03:57:59 PM
Quite a few buds just beginning to break in the greenhouse with the promise of some pictures very early in 2014.
Title: Re: Primula 2013
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 30, 2013, 08:24:53 PM
With the very wet Nov/Dec we have had here in the south, (and all over NZ actually) primulas are looking good and seed I bought from Barnhaven and sowed in early November (6th) has ALL germinated with the exception of an allionii/marginata mix and some is now even pricked out and potted up. More ready to do. This is incredibly quick for seed at this time of year. I haven't even needed to water seed pots as they've had rain or drizzle almost daily. So I'm swamped with a mass of little seedlings (31 packets!) of different kinds and look forward to a colourful spring coming in 2014 and 2015. There has been excellent germination of different forms of P. sieboldii which pleases me and I now know to keep it well away from rabbits!
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