delosperma & aizoaceae

[Great Moravian]

Here we have problems to get the Delospermas to be happy to make flowers in our climate.... the thought that there are types which will even flower without sunshine is a real surprise!  I would not subject them to this "summer" weather though, it would seem too cruel

Maggi,
If there are trees in the garden, the mesembs do not flower sufficiently. It is my problem too. Marek Chaloupka
is a professional gardener and his plants placed in open field without trees are substantially different, flowering
for a longer period, and considerably compacter. Compare his and my Delosperma aff. hirtum above.

[Great Moravian]

As the capsule of this plant has five segments, it seems to be genuine.

Peter,
I agree, the capsule consists of 5 carpels. I suppose you are going to present us
a plant having a different number of carpels. Please do it. I am curious.

[Great Moravian]

It is a question how the plants collected by O. M. Hilliard and B. L. Burtt on 5 November 1977
would appear in our cultivation. If not already trough RGB Edinburgh, who knows.
Somebody should visit the plants and collect seeds.
Their address is
Boulder bed in Pillar Cave Valley
Garden Castle N. R.
Underberg distr.
KwaZulu-Natal
http://travelingluck.com/Africa/South+Africa/KwaZulu-Natal/_1002833_Garden+Castle.html
http://travelingluck.com/Africa/South+Africa/KwaZulu-Natal/_965176_Pillar+Cave.html
Postal code unknown.

[Peter II]

Delosperma brunnthaleri hybrid






Note the increase in the middle of the fruit. This is a sign of D. brunnthaleri.

[Peter II]

Delosperma roseopurpureum



     Photo: Chris Schröder (Tiny Light)


This plant is sold worldwide as Delosperma brunnthaleri. Has nothing to do with the real Delosperma brunnthaleri nothing.
In the last seedlist of SRGC were offered seeds of Delosperma brunnthaleri. Most likely, this is also Delosperma roseopurpureum.

[Great Moravian]

Peter,
You are perfectly informed about my approach to Delosperma brunnthaleri which is of course available at
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3795.msg156584;topicseen#msg156584
The plant presented by Chris above is certainly not Delosperma brunnthaleri.
Nevertheless, I would be really grateful if you would publish images of the receptacle
at the stage of full flower of the plant you suppose to be Delosperma brunnthaleri.
I wonder whether it belongs to the ashtonii-deleeuwiae-galpinii-galpinii var. minus
group. Images of unripe fruits are useless because no original information about fruits exists.
It is your own invention that Delosperma brunnthaleri has median furrow on valves.
Alwin Berger claimed nothing similar in his protologue.
It is median furrows on 5 valves, not 10 valves, in my guess.
Correct me if I am in error.

[Great Moravian]

I cannot understand the word increase in the given context.
If you spoke about the 5 slight swellings in the center,
distinct 5 swellings forming a raised rosette in the
centre of receptacle are present in the majority of
Delosperma species. The 4 taxa indicated above
are exceptional. Why precisely brunnthaleri.
My Delosperma ashtonii has no median furrows
and the center is not raised. My Delosperma
deleeuwiae has deeply incised median furrows
on unripe fruit which is conically hollowed.

[Peter II]

Berger has very much time has passed. And practitioners have gained many new insights.
Berger has also not written which has a plant root. That was not interesting, although it is today a very important distinguishing feature. Theorists, who have no plants can not detect it.

Sorry, NOBODY's perfect.


This photo from today I add quickly added.


Delosperma brunnthaleri hybrid

[Great Moravian]

And practitioners have gained many new insights.

Nothing against practitioners. But a practitioner should explain why she/he calls her/his plant Delosperma brunnthaleri
if the original description is completely different.
The plant in the picture can be better called Delosperma ashtonii hybrid.
The leaves are too hairy instead of folia laevia impunctata, ad angulos basin versus pilis cartilagineis paucis ciliata.
The plant called by Chris Delosperma brunnthaleri might belong to Delosperma galpinii var. minus
but I cannot claim it without having the plant in my hands.
Perhaps you can provide me the plant called by you Delosperma brunnthaleri
so I can practically verify its properties.

[Peter II]

Are here also accepted Photos by other Aizoaceae? No alpine plants.

[Maggi Young]

Are here also accepted Photos by other Aizoaceae? No alpine plants.

Yes, Peter, we have lots of non-apline alpine plants in the Forum - our members grow a wide variety.  

[ruweiss]

Peter, please show them to us!
I am sure, that many forumists also enjoy photos of these great plants,
hardy or not.

[Peter II]

These photos are not of this year.


Rhombophyllum nelii




Frithia pulchra




Conophytum ectypum




Ebracteola fulleri, s Steeneberg




Conophytum bilobum




The african flora is very variable and bizarre.

[Martin Tversted]

D. speciosum. Hardy overnight to -4C and good for patios. The genus Drosanthemum should be used more often.

Martin

[Peter II]

Beautiful flower. I also have a plant. But that does not bloom.