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Memorable Topics – Threads and posts that are just too good to lose => Plant Information and Portraits => Topic started by: johnw on February 22, 2010, 11:55:09 AM
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We got a Polygonatum sp. from the SRGC that has sprouted already.
It is marked CLD #447. Anyone have an idea who CLD is?
johnw
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Hi, John.... CLD denotes collections from the 1990 Chungtien-Lijiang-Dali expedition.
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This ones data: Royal Botanic Garden Edinburgh, Chungtien, Lijiang & Dali Expedition (1990), China: Yunnan, NW: Dêqên Zang Aut. Pref.: Zhongdian Co. 3550 m.
The identification for this one is P. sibiricum, or so they say. I do not grow it so I cannot offer an opinion on it.
Aaron
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A list of collector's initials can be found here:
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/rhsplantfinder/documents.asp
Although far from complete, it does include CLD.
The above link is broken - see pdf of llist in reply 13 further down this page
"Re: Collector Numbers
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2010, 08:47:39 PM "
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Hi, John.... CLD denotes collections from the 1990 Chungtien-Lijiang-Dali expedition.
Maggi / Aaron / Gerry- Thanks so much. extremely helpful.
johnw
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Some other Collector's initials which may be of help:
AS Arne Strid
BARAKA Nordic Georgis Exped.
BATM Nordic Exped. To Batman
EM Ernst Markus
EP Eric Pasche
F&Z J. Fox * H. Zetterlund
GBK G. Bakshi Khaniki
GT Gerben Tjeerdsma
HeHeHe H. Petterssson, H. Sjöman & H. Zetterlund
HKEP H. Kerndroff & E. Pasche
H&S M. Holmberg & U. Srtrindberg
JAN John Andrews
JFL Jelitto
JLMS Jaeger & al
JP Jimmy Persson
JKP J. & K. Persson
KGB Kunming-Gothenburg Bot exped. To NW Yunnan
KP Karin Persson
KPPZ M. Kammerlander, E. Pasche, J. Perssson & H. Zetterlund
KR Keith Rushforth
K&W Knoche & Wetzel
LST Latvian Swedish Turkey Trip 2005
M&N U. Molau & S. Nylinder
MV Mart Veerus
MZ Micha Zurovetz
NBA Nilson, Bengtsso & Ahnby
OS Ole Sønderhausen
PF Paul Furse
PG Phyllis Gustavson
PHS P.H. Salvesen
P&Z Persson & Zetterlund
PW Per Wendelbo
RH Ragnar Holmberg
SBLE Sino-British Lijian Exped.
SEP Swedish Exped. To Pakistan
S,KT&V A. Strid, Kit Tan & Wold
SLIZE Swedish, Latvian, Iranian, Zagros Exped.
S&Z Strindberg & Zetterlund
T4Z G. Tjeerdsma, H.Zetterlund, D.& R. Zschummel , Zagros.
UME Uppasala Mongolia Exped.
ZAN R. Holmberg (Zanskar)
ZE&S Zetterlund, Erikksson & Strid
and don't forget about KV, Kurt Vickery.
SSSE : members of the SSSE ( standing for Sino Scottish Swedish expedition I think!)were Ron Mcbeath Jens Nielson, Lars Danialson from Sweden and Ian Christie. - Should be the Sino-Scottish Sichuan Expedition 2003
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Some other Collector's initials which may be of help:
HeHeHe H. Petterssson, H. Sjöman & H. Zetterlund
That one is a hoot, obviously done to conjure a chuckle. :D
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Useful; thanks Maggi.
SP for a narcissus: maybe Salmon & P... ???
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Useful; thanks Maggi.
SP for a narcissus: maybe Salmon & P... ???
Or maybe simply Narcissus species??
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Crikey, Gail, that would be a simple answer, wouldn't it?
Ashley, have you messaged Brian Duncan to ask him?
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Referencing some collector number abbreviations from the link above, I highlighted a few:
AC&W Albury; Cheese, M.; Watson, J.M.
BC&W Beckett; Cheese, M.; Watson, J.M.
Mac&W McPhail & Watson (I purchased a share of this Turkish expedition back in the late 1970s)
I had always hoped for a Mac & Cheese expedition ;D ;D ;D
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Ashley, have you messaged Brian Duncan to ask him?
I e-mailed him Maggi but perhaps should try a PM too.
Great suggestion Gail ;D but possibly not because the full number the plant came with was SP47.
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JJA - Jim and Jenny Archibald
MS - Michael Salmon
BSBE - Bowles Scholarship Botanical Expedition to Iran, 1963. Brian Mathew was a young squirt at the time and this expedition played a role in his rise to his present stature.
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Since the pdf of the list from the RHS site is available to download, I don't seen any harm in placing it here... it is info from the PlantFinder publications....
[attach=1] click on the name to download
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SP for a narcissus: maybe Salmon & P... ???
Or maybe simply Narcissus species??
Ashley - SP does not occur in the list of collectors included in Mike Salmon's seed list (2001-2002). The nearest is SB (Salmon & Blanchard).
JJA - Jim and Jenny Archibald
MS - Michael Salmon
BBE - Bowles Botanical Expedition (many decades ago; Brian Mathew was a young squirt at the time and this expedition may have led to his present stature.)
Rodger - I think this should be BSBE (Bowles Scholarship Botanical Expedition to Iran, 1963). The members were Brian Mathew, David Barter, Stuart Baker & David Pycraft.
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and don't forget about KV, Kurt Vickery.
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A friend of mine grows this:
Tillia henryana S 1999621.G
Does anyone have an idea which collector might have found this tree?
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A friend of mine grows this:
Tillia henryana S 1999621.G
Does anyone have an idea which collector might have found this tree?
Could it be shorthand for the species author citation... yikes, look at that name! (also, note Tilia spelling)
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200013624
Tilia henryana Szyszyłowicz,
Possibly, it is an Accession Number from an arboretum.
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Hmmm, could be, thanks Mark (and thanks for the correction of Tilia, one L of course)
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And another one: Thalictrum flexuosum HC 970351 (according to the RHS a synonym for Thalictrum minus ssp. minus)
Just saw HCM = Heronswood Chile so maybe it's this one???
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Wim,
I have the old Heronswood catalogs at home and will check the HC collection location unless someone beats me to it.
I have a Polygonatum SBQE310 supposedly collected from Kangchenjunga. If the collection number is right, am I safe to assume it is the Tibetan side of the mountain? If someone knows where I can find the actual list of plants/seed collected it would be of great help.
Thanks,
Aaron Floden
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In the Plantfinder list, CM and W is listed as Cheese M, Mitchel J and Watson J but wasn't the M Tony (therefore A) Mitchell? He came to live and work in NZ for a while but didn't like either NZ or Australia and I think thereafter went to south Africa.
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Wim,
HC is Daniel HInkley, 1997, Japan & Korea.
Aaron
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I have a Polygonatum SBQE310 supposedly collected from Kangchenjunga. If the collection number is right, am I safe to assume it is the Tibetan side of the mountain? If someone knows where I can find the actual list of plants/seed collected it would be of great help.
Thanks,
Aaron Floden
Aaron,
Kangchenjunga has no Tibetan side, it lies on the border of Nepal and N India (Sikkim) but not in Tibet. The "Q" of the SBQE refers to the Quinghai province of China, part of this province used to belong to Tibet but was added after the confiscation of Tibet by the Chinese to Quinghai. Quinghai province is a good distance away from Kangchenjunga and a large part of todays Tibet lies in between so I am a bit puzzled by your reference to Kangchenjunga for this expedition?.
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Wim,
HC is Daniel HInkley, 1997, Japan & Korea.
Aaron
Thanks, Aaron
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Collectors numbers and expedition abbreviations - changing the name of this thread to make it more obvious :)
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I have now a colchicum sp. with a first time flower grown from (ex) JW5629 (via SRGC seedex).
I suppose JW stands for John Watson, but does anyone know from what area/country the plant's origin is ?
And even better, does anyone has an ID for this one ?
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For Dionysia lovers I've just rewritten that genus on the AGS on-line encyclopedia from which the following are expedition acronyms.
PF - Paul Furse (1966)
PW - Hedge/Wendelbo/Ekberg (1969)
GW/H - Grey-Wilson/Hewer (1971)
GFL - Wye College (1971)
H - Tom Hewer (1973)
ATP - Anne Pickering (1977)
KMZ - Kolbinger/Mayr/Zeininger (1995)
SLIZE - Swedish/Latvian/Iranian/Zagros Expedition (1998)
DZ I - Dieter & Rosi Zschummel Iran (2000/1)
JMM - Jäger/Mayr/Mayr (2001)
T4Z - Tjeerdsma/Zetterlund/Zschummel/Zschummel/Zagros (2002/3)
JLMS - Jäger/Löbke/Mayr/Stopp (2002)
JJMZ - Jacobi/Jäger/Mayr/Zschummel (2004)
JZZ - Jäger/Zschummel/Zschummel (2005)
DRZ - Dieter & Rosi Zschummel (2009)
Paul R
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Excellent addition to the info here, thank you, Paul 8)
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Collector’s References
These combination of initials and numbers are accession numbers that are assigned to collections gathered from wild populations from all over the world to enable tracking the origins of the plants.
B&L C.D. Brickell & A.C. Leslie
BSWJ Bleddyn & Sue Wynn-Jones
BWJ Bleddyn Wynn-Jones
CMGG - Colin Mason 's Georgian Group - Colin Mason, Jim Archibald, Robert Charman, Janis Ruksans, Shamil Shetekauri, Hendrik van Bogaert, Bob Wallis, Ranweig Wallis, Henrik Zetterlund Starting 26-04-2010, ending 6th of May, 2010
CNDSC C. Nelson & D. Sayers
CWJ Finlay Colley & Bleddyn Wynn-Jones
DJH Daniel J. Hinkley (followed by country and year code)
EDHCH Eric Hammond China 1997
FMWJ A. Floden, T. Mitchell & B. Wynn-Jones, Vietnam 2011
GWJ Sally Goddard, B. & S. Wynn-Jones
GUIZ Guizhou Expedition (1985)
HWJ Crûg-Heronswood Joint Expeditions, Vietnam
HWJCM Crûg-Heronswood Joint Expedition, E. Nepal 1995
HWJK Crûg-Heronswood Joint Expedition, E. Nepal 2002
KR Keith Rushforth
KWJ Crûg-World of Ferns Joint Expedition Vietnam 2007
MF Maurice Foster
RH M. Rickard & R. Hayward
RWJ Crûg-Rickard’s Ferns Joint Expedition to Taiwan 2003
SEP Swedish Expedition to Pakistan
WHIR - 13-04-2008 – 06-05-2008 Jill White – group’s chief Bob Charman, John Ingham, Arthur Nicholls, David Robins, Piatro Roseo, Janis Ruksans, James Hearson from (second half)
WJC Crûg-Rare Plants Ireland Joint Expedition Sikkim 2013
WWJ Peter Wharton & Bleddyn Wynn-Jones, Vietnam 2006-7
Yu Tse-tsun Yu
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This thread is growing into a(nother) very useful resource; thanks Maggi and all.
Iris danfordiae SASA-307 is flowering here now. SASA: Stevens, Archibald, Seisums & ... ???
Stevens, Archibald, Seisums Arnis perhaps?
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A&JW A. & J. Watson
A&L Ala, A.; Lancaster, Roy
AB&S(ABS) Archibald, James; Blanchard, John W; Salmon, M.
AC&W Albury; Sidney., Cheese, Martyn.; Watson, John.M.
ACE AGS Expedition to China (1994)
AGS/ES AGS Expedition to Sikkim (1983)
AGSJ AGS Expedition to Japan (1988)
AHEP Hoog, Antoine.M.D. & Pasche, Erich
AS Strid, Arne
B L. Beer, Len
B&L Brickell, Christopher D.; Leslie, Alan C.
B&S Bird P. & Salmon M.
B&SWJ Wynn-Jones, Bleddyn; Wynn-Jones, Susan
BC&W Beckett; Cheese, M.; Watson, J.M.
BM Mathew, Brian F.
BSBE Bowles Scholarship Botanical Expedition (1963)
BSSS Crug Expedition, Jordan 1991
Burtt Burtt, Brian L.
C&C Cox, P.A. & Cox, K.N.E.
C&H Cox, Peter; Hutchison, Peter
C&H Wrongly applied by the RHS for plants originally collected as CH
C&K Chamberlain & Knott
C&R Christian, P.J. & Roderick, Wayne
C&S Clark, Alan; Sinclair, Ian W.J.
C&V K.N.E. Cox & S. Vergera
C&W Cheese, Martyn.; Watson, John.M.
CC Chadwell, Christopher
CD&R Compton, J.; D'Arcy, J.; Rix, E.M.
CDB Brickell, Christopher D.
CDC&C Compton, D'Arcy, Christopher & Coke
CDPR Compton, D'arcy, Pope & Rix, E.M.
CE&H Christian, P.J.; Elliott, D ; Hoog, A.M.D. (an incorrect creation of the RHS, CEH is correct)
CEH Christian, P.J.; Elliott, D ; Hoog, A.M.D. (1982)
CGW Grey-Wilson, Christopher
CH Christian,P.J.; Hoog, A.M.D (1987)
CH&M Cox, P.; Hutchison, P.; Maxwell-MacDonald, D.
CHP&W Kashmir Botanical Expedition
CL Lovell, Chris
CLD Chungtien, Lijiang & Dali Expededition China 1990
CM&W Cheese M., Mitchel J. & Watson, J.
CN&W Clark; Neilson; Wilson
CNDS Nelson, C. & Sayers D. Cooper Cooper, R.E.
Cox Cox, Peter A.
CRO Reference numbers, Ray Cobb of Nottingham
CSE Cyclamen Society Expedition (1990)
CT Teune, Carla
DBG Denver Botanic Garden, Colorado
EKB Balls, Edward K.
EMAK Edinburgh Makalu Expedition (1991)
EMR Rix, E. Martyn
EN Needham, Edward F.
EP Erich Pasche, Wuppertal
ETE Edinburgh Taiwan Expedition (1993)
ETOT Kirkham, T.S.; Flanagan, Mark
F Forrest, G.
F&W Watson, J.; Flores, A.
Farrer Farrer, Reginald
GG Gusman, G.
GS Sherriff, George
G-W&P Grey-Wilson, Christopher; Phillips
H&B Hilliard, Olive M.; Burtt, Brian L.
H&W Hedge, Ian C.; Wendelbo, Per W.
Harry Smith Smith, K.A.Harry
HW&E Wendelbo, Per; Hedge, I.; Ekberg, L.
HZ Zetterlund, Henrik
J&JA Archibald, James; Archibald, Jennifer
JCA Archibald, James
JE Jack Elliott
JJ&JH Halda, J.; Halda, J.
JJH Halda, Joseph J.
JKP Persson, Jimmy and Karen
JMH Jeaninne Hoog , Michael Hoog
JRM Marr, John
JW Watson, J.M.
K&P Josef Kopec, Milan Prasil
KGB Kunming-Gothenburg Botanical Expedition (1993)
KPPZ Kammerlander, M.; Pasche, E.: Persson, J.; Zetterlund, H.
KRW Wooster, K.R. (distributed after his death by Kath Dryden)
KW Kingdon-Ward, F.
L Lancaster, Roy C.
LD Doyen, Leon.
L&S Ludlow, Francis; Sherriff, George
LM&S Leslie, Mattern & Sharman
LP Leep and Pasche E.
LS&E Ludlow, Frank; Sherriff, George; Elliott, E. E.
LS&H Ludlow, Frank; Sherriff, George; Hicks, J. H.
LS&T Ludlow, Frank; Sherriff, George; Taylor, George
M&PS Mike & Polly Stone
M&T Mathew, Brian.; Tomlinson, John
Mac&W McPhail & Watson, John
McB McBeath, R.J.D.
MH Hoog, Michael H.
MK Kammerlander, Michael
MP Pavelka, Mojmir
MPF Frankis, M.P.
MS Salmon, M.
MS&CL Salmon, Michael.; Lovell, Chris.
NS Stevens, Norman
PD Davis, Peter H.
PF Furse, Paul
PJC Christian, Paul J.
PJC&AH P.J. Christian & A. Hoog – I have seen this attributed however no such collection numbers were ever used, the collection numbers are CH
OS Sonderhousen, Ole
Polunin Polunin, Oleg
Pras Prasil, M.
PS&W Polunin, Oleg; Sykes, William; Williams, John
PW Wendelbo, Per
PW Wharton, Peter
R Rock, J.F.C.
RH Hancock, Richard.
RH Holmberg, R.
RS Suckow, Reinhart
S&B Blanchard, J.W.; Salmon, M.
S&F Salmon, M. & Fillan, M.
S&L Sinclair, Ian W.J.; Long, David G.
SB&L Salmon, Bird and Lovell
SBEC Sino-British Expedition to Cangshan
SBEL Sino-British Lijiang Expedition
SBQE Sino-British Expedition to Quinghai
Sch Schilling, Anthony D.
SEP Swedish Expedition to Pakistan
SG Salmon, M. & Guy, P.
SLIZE Swedish-Lithuanian-Iranian Zagros Expedition to Iran (May 1988)
SS&W Stainton, J.D.Adam; Sykes, William; Williams, John
SSW Smith, Sykes, Williams
RH Hancock, Richard.
VH Horton, Vic
VV Vasak, Vladimir
W Wilson, Ernest H.
WM McLewin, William
Woods Woods, Patrick J.B.
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Great list, Yann, thank you.
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This thread is growing into a(nother) very useful resource; thanks Maggi and all.
Iris danfordiae SASA-307 is flowering here now. SASA: Stevens, Archibald, Seisums & ... ???
Stevens, Archibald, Seisums Arnis perhaps?
I was helped by Janis Ruksans here, who tells me :
SASA - Seisums Arnis, Stevens Norman, Archibald Jim - Turkey, 2003
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ARGI - Arnis Seisums & Gints .......? - Syria, 2002
BAR or BARAKA - Georgian trip with Dr. Dzhimsheer Kereselidze organised by Henrik Zetterlund (Henrik Sjoman, Henrik Zetterlund & Janis Ruksans, Kereselidze Dzhimsheer, Lamara Asieshvili & Nino ? ) - 2007
JRRK - Janis Ruksans, Vaclav Josht, Hendrick van Bogaert (Rik), Koenrad van Pouche - Turkey, spring, 2009
SASA - Seisums Arnis, Stevens Norman, Archibald Jim - Turkey, 2003
RUDA - Rukšāns Janis, Dambrauskas Eugenius - Turkey, 2003
Janis adds this note about his collection numbers :
"In the last years my trips are marked quite uniformly
The first two ciphers indicate the year, then abbreviation from state/country and A or S - means autumn or spring. This is an easier system as now I'm travelling so much.
14ARMS - means 2014, spring trip to Armenia
14TUS - means 2014, spring trip to Turkey
14GRA - means 2014, autumn trip to Greece
and so on.
Regards
Janis "
And here is another list which may be handy for downloading : [attachurl=1]
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Thanks very much Maggi, Janis and Yann.
These lists are extremely helpful and it's great to have them gathered in one place 8)
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Thanks to all for a super resource.
Now to find the labels I have been curious about.
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Another acronym - FEKET First Edinburgh Kew Expedition Tajikistan ( 2014 )
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Also, BO - Bjornar Olsen seed collections will soon be coming to promenance soon
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Another acronym - FEKET First Edinburgh Kew Expedition Tajikistan ( 2014 )
Coincidentally, I dropped a pot of seedlings the other day and this was the first word that came out of my mouth. ;D
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Since the pdf of the list from the RHS site is available to download, I don't seen any harm in placing it here... it is info from the PlantFinder publications....
A reminder that the RHS list of Collectors' acronyms is here: [attachurl=1]
edit to update link
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JAA = Jean-André AUDISSOU (http://jean-andre.audissou.pagesperso-orange.fr/)
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Is MW Michael Wickenden?
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And is BATM simply an abbreviation of BATMAN?
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Yes to BATM and , I think, yes to MW too
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S&F can also be found as SF - this stands for Salmon and Fillan - Mike S and Mark F
SF in the RHS list may be a typo for SP, since they give SF as Forde, P.
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Wasn't life easy when everything was Forrestii or Farreri with the odd Davidii thrown in. My mind is buzzing with all these acronyms.
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Another place where such references may be found ... https://plants.jstor.org/collection/PPERSBM
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Missing KV!
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Missing KV!
KV is Kurt Vickery, of course.
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This list from Owe Jaktlund is one of the most comprehensive and up to date- latest update -
[attachurl=1]
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Can anyone help with the collection CBE? Collected Polygonatums, it seems, among others!