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Re: Aroids (the family Araceae)
« Reply #165 on: May 23, 2010, 09:54:24 PM »
One of the clear forms of Dracunculus vulgaris

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Re: Aroids (the family Araceae)
« Reply #166 on: May 24, 2010, 01:32:07 PM »
I received these two Arisaema as Arisaema serratum, the first one as ssp.serratum. They look pretty different. Any ideas about ID?
« Last Edit: May 27, 2010, 11:10:31 AM by olegKon »
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Re: Aroids (the family Araceae)
« Reply #167 on: May 24, 2010, 01:48:31 PM »
Hello Fred

Nice Dracunculus vulgaris
is it so nice perfumed as the other ones  ;D ;D ;D
I am still looking for the real album
but nobody seems to grow that one

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Re: Aroids (the family Araceae)
« Reply #168 on: May 24, 2010, 06:16:08 PM »
A couple of aroids in flower today.

The first I bought as A. wilsonii I questioned this in another forum when it first flowered and it was identified as A. asperatum. If you think differently please say so  ;D

Arisaema asperatum
Arisaema asperatum (the naughty bits )
Arisaema ringens
Arisaema ringens
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Re: Aroids (the family Araceae)
« Reply #169 on: May 24, 2010, 07:27:29 PM »
One of the clear forms of Dracunculus vulgaris



Fred a lovely form,I wait for mine to bloom. Here are two clones of Arum doiscoridis could be either what is called ssp syriacum or ssp spectabile but may now be called cyprium.
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Re: Aroids (the family Araceae)
« Reply #170 on: May 24, 2010, 07:36:46 PM »
Bought as Arisaema Arisaema engleri

is this name correct  ???

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Re: Aroids (the family Araceae)
« Reply #171 on: May 24, 2010, 09:24:10 PM »
I received these two Arisaema as Arisaema serratun, the first one as ssp.serratum. They look pretty different. Any ideas about ID?

Oleg, Arisaema serratum is a very widespread species in Japan and Korea and therefore highly polymorphic. Many distinct forms within its distribution range have often been raised to species or subspecies level and merged back into serratum again later on after additional research, showing how difficult this group taxonomically is asses. But both plants on your pictures are part of the serratum complex. Horticulturally distinct but taxonomically the same species. With so many Arisaema species, there often is no typical "species X" but many variants of the species. The second plant comes close to what previously was known as Arisaema mayebarae, one of the darkest forms of serratum

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Re: Aroids (the family Araceae)
« Reply #172 on: May 24, 2010, 09:40:04 PM »
Really nice species everybody !
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Re: Aroids (the family Araceae)
« Reply #173 on: May 26, 2010, 08:59:54 PM »
Roland, your A. engleri looks like my A. engleri. It blooms early and now it`s over. I believe the name is right. (Roland told me the right name)
« Last Edit: May 27, 2010, 06:35:45 AM by Hagen Engelmann »
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Re: Aroids (the family Araceae)
« Reply #174 on: May 26, 2010, 09:32:04 PM »
Hello Hagen

I just saw the name is not correct
I think it must be Arisaema engleri
I wrote it also wrong

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Re: Aroids (the family Araceae)
« Reply #175 on: May 26, 2010, 09:48:02 PM »
two pictures of Arum conophalloides var virescens which is now A. rupicola var virescens from near Lake Van in Turkey. I find this a pig to grow compared with the usual rupicola from the west of Turkey
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Re: Aroids (the family Araceae)
« Reply #176 on: May 26, 2010, 09:54:24 PM »
Hello Tony

Funny pigs you have on the top of the spadix  ;D

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Re: Aroids (the family Araceae)
« Reply #177 on: May 27, 2010, 06:33:01 AM »
Thank you, Roland. engleri is OK.

Here is Arisaema dilatatum.
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Re: Aroids (the family Araceae)
« Reply #178 on: May 27, 2010, 08:31:05 AM »
Hello Hans

I thought you where wrong with the name Arisaema dilatatum
but in the latest review of Arisaema
it is mentioned as Arisaema dilatatum and not as
Arisaema dilitatum
I found this name in Aroid Hardiness List from the
International Aroid Society and a lot of sites are using this name
but in an other part they used the good name
I think I have to change the name in my computer

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Re: Aroids (the family Araceae)
« Reply #179 on: May 27, 2010, 11:16:25 AM »
I received these two Arisaema as Arisaema serratun, the first one as ssp.serratum. They look pretty different. Any ideas about ID?

Oleg, Arisaema serratum is a very widespread species in Japan and Korea and therefore highly polymorphic. Many distinct forms within its distribution range have often been raised to species or subspecies level and merged back into serratum again later on after additional research, showing how difficult this group taxonomically is asses. But both plants on your pictures are part of the serratum complex. Horticulturally distinct but taxonomically the same species. With so many Arisaema species, there often is no typical "species X" but many variants of the species. The second plant comes close to what previously was known as Arisaema mayebarae, one of the darkest forms of serratum
Thank you, Pascal. A very valuable explanation
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