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Title: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: stellan on March 02, 2008, 07:36:40 PM: I found wild Galanthus in East Armenia. Can anyone tell what species?

/Stellan
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Hans J on March 02, 2008, 07:56:13 PM: Hi ,

For Armenia are recorded :
G. artjuschenkoae
G. alpinus
G. kemulariae
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Alan_b on March 04, 2008, 08:58:07 AM: It is usually helpful to view the markings on the inner petals when trying to identify a snowdrop. On a cold day you may need to assist the flower to open wide enough for the inner petals to be visible. Do you have any more photographs that show the inners?
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: stellan on March 11, 2008, 05:22:33 PM: Alan_b: I have only few more pictures of the plants and there are no which show the inner petals... I didn't know that I have to take pictures of them. For me most of the Galathus look similar and there are not much different between them. It's good that I know that I have to take photos of the inner petals to identify the species. I will try to find more Galathus during my biking trip and next time I will take better photos...

/Stellan
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Oakwood on June 06, 2008, 01:27:22 PM: g
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Gerard Oud on June 06, 2008, 04:49:48 PM: How much are there in the Ukraine?
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Oakwood on June 09, 2008, 08:19:33 AM: Gerard!

In Ukraine there are 4 species - nivalis, plicatus, elwesii and graecus. The last one is very rare in Odessa region.
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Gerard Oud on June 09, 2008, 08:37:22 AM: Thank you Dimitri,

One of my best friends goes very often to the Ukraine, now i can ask him what to look for.
Do you grow, or know someone who has the graecus?
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Oakwood on June 10, 2008, 12:32:26 PM: Gerard!
I don't grow graecus and don't know anyone who grows it in Ukraine, even in our botanical gardens you can't find this species, but I have exact habitats of it in one botanical book issued in 2007 in Ukraine where graecus mentionned in 2-3 localities in Odessa region.
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: art600 on June 10, 2008, 12:51:13 PM: Gerard

Is graecus recognised as a separate specie. When I googled it, there was a suggestion that it could be gracilis or a ssp of elwesii. I did notice that the tip markings were different from both elwesii and gracilis.

Arthur
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Oakwood on June 10, 2008, 01:51:01 PM: Exactly! Now graecus considers as gracilis, but our bitanist use very often old botanical taxons :-[
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Post by: Gerard Oud on June 10, 2008, 05:38:59 PM: I had the same thing Arthur, in the "book" it says also that they use the name gracilis instead of graecus.
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Gert Jan on January 20, 2009, 12:51:53 PM: Hi Stellan

These are wonderfull pictures you took on your travels. This snowdrop is G artuschenkoae as the leaf is applanate and not convolute. G transcaucasicus has got convolute leaves. It looks exactly like the plant collected in Armenia. This was indentified as Galanthus artuschenkoae

The yellow one looks rather fun as well!

Good luck with your travels

Gert Jan
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Maggi Young on January 20, 2009, 03:21:13 PM: Gert Jan, welcome to the forum!
Why not tell us a little about yourself in the "Let me introduce myself" pages and perhaps add your location to your signature area on your profile?
We look froward to hearing more about your plant interests. :D
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Anthony Darby on January 20, 2009, 08:35:27 PM: Lovely find and a new species to look forward to in due course.
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: mark smyth on January 20, 2009, 08:37:49 PM: I dont know where it grows but to me this Galanthus looks similar to G. bortkewitchianus. Not sure about the spelling
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Maggi Young on January 20, 2009, 09:22:59 PM: Quote from: mark smyth on January 20, 2009, 08:37:49 PM
I dont know where it grows but to me this Galanthus looks similar to G. bortkewitchianus. Not sure about the spelling

I have read that Galanthus alpinus ssp. bortkewitchianus is only known from its type locality in the Caucasus, near the river Kamenka ::) :-X And it would be convolute, would it not?
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Anthony Darby on January 20, 2009, 11:07:56 PM: I have it as Galanthus alpinus var. bortkewitchianus. http://www.smt.edu.ee/materjalid/ilutaimed/Lumikelluke/tugevalt_sinihallide_lehtedega_lumikellukesed.html
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Maggi Young on January 20, 2009, 11:33:37 PM: Quote from: Anthony Darby on January 20, 2009, 11:07:56 PM
I have it as Galanthus alpinus var. bortkewitchianus. http://www.smt.edu.ee/materjalid/ilutaimed/Lumikelluke/tugevalt_sinihallide_lehtedega_lumikellukesed.html

yes. Anthony, lost the place... I meant alpinus .... I tell you they all look the same to me :-X ....will edit post.
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Anthony Darby on January 20, 2009, 11:56:18 PM: I would like to grow more species. Galanthus alpinus alpinus seems to be very elusive. It is so different from bortkewitchianus.
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Brian Ellis on January 21, 2009, 10:49:15 AM: Oh Anthony I wish you hadn't posted that website, there is such a nice picture of Galanthus koenenianus!
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: mark smyth on January 21, 2009, 02:00:17 PM: The photo on the web site shows someone is propagating alpinus alpinus
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Anthony Darby on January 21, 2009, 03:03:16 PM: I'm listening....... ;)
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: mark smyth on January 21, 2009, 03:10:02 PM: referring to the photo on the web site you linked to
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Anthony Darby on January 21, 2009, 03:28:38 PM: Quote from: mark smyth on January 21, 2009, 02:00:17 PM
The photo on the web site shows someone is propagating alpinus alpinus
The ones in the pic look like they are in the wild Mark?[
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Anthony Darby on January 21, 2009, 03:40:16 PM: Interesting form of gracilis?
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: mark smyth on January 21, 2009, 04:50:26 PM: The look like they are in straight lines to me
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Hans J on January 21, 2009, 05:26:11 PM: Anthony and all

I'm really angry for this website which you have postet - they have stolen my pic of Gal. artjuschenkoae from SRGC .....without any permission of me !!! >:( >:( >:(

Hans
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: mark smyth on January 21, 2009, 07:59:08 PM: I saw this and all he/she did was add a link to this web site
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Hans J on January 21, 2009, 08:24:43 PM: Mark :

sorry -but you are not right !
They have post my pic without any permission and agreement under Galanthus artjuschenkoeae -not as link !
Title: Re: Galanthus from Armenia
Post by: Maggi Young on January 22, 2009, 01:16:11 PM: I have moved the posts relating to unauthorised use of photos to the thread with that subject.....

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2976.0