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Allium 2009
« on: February 02, 2009, 06:43:44 PM »
We had never really taken a close look at the bulbs of the 2 Alliums we are growing from the ACE.

What a shock, more roots than bulbs after all the years.

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Re: Allium 2009
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2009, 07:56:08 PM »
Have they flowered John? I ask because maybe they are the kind - like chives - that don't make proper "bulbs" but just little growing points with massive roots systems and heaps of foliage but still do flower well - like chives :)
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Re: Allium 2009
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2009, 02:00:19 AM »
Have they flowered John? I ask because maybe they are the kind - like chives - that don't make proper "bulbs" but just little growing points with massive roots systems and heaps of foliage but still do flower well - like chives :)

Lesley   - Both have flowered ACE94-2394 was identified by Aaron as A. prattii. However I can't tell you which is which in the above pictures.

The other one ACE94-2430 has not been identified yet. See photo from last year below.

I didn't realize chives were much the same.

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« Last Edit: February 03, 2009, 02:06:58 AM by johnw »
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Re: Allium 2009
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2009, 09:29:14 AM »
The roots and shoots of Allium narcissiflorum are much the same, they do not produce easily recognisable bulbs
Chorley, Lancashire zone 8b

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Re: Allium 2009
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2009, 04:09:43 PM »
your Allium is of a tuberous group without real bulb. No problem. There is numerous species like them (narcissiflorum, insubricum, tuberosum,schoenoprasum, nutans, montanum, kermesinum etc...) The roots must never dry
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Re: Allium 2009
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2009, 07:05:56 PM »
Domininque and Lesley are right with their recommendation. The roots of this type need the hole year round a damp mixture or soil. I killed some of these types not recognized this in the last 3 year.
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Re: Allium 2009
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2009, 08:15:35 AM »
Some early species of Allium are in flower at the moment.
There are about 40 species of Allium growing in Israel, some are stunning.
A. orientale
 A. erdelii
 Allium erdelii
 A. tel-avivense
 Allium tel-avivense
 Allium neapolitanum
« Last Edit: February 26, 2009, 07:29:11 PM by Oron Peri »
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Re: Allium 2009
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2009, 08:19:32 AM »
Wow - A. tel-avivense is a real cracker !  ;D
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Re: Allium 2009
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2009, 10:52:24 AM »
Never figured to myself that there are so fine onions!
Great photos, Oron!

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Re: Allium 2009
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2009, 12:04:32 PM »
Really beautiful and interesting species: I hope you could show any pictures of Allium hierochuntinum, it is very beautiful blue allium!

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Re: Allium 2009
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2009, 12:15:45 PM »
 This is an interesting article about the onions of Israel..... http://www.botanic.co.il/english/research/Allium.htm
by Dr. Ori Fragman- Sapir ...and translated, thanks be, into English  8)
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Re: Allium 2009
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2009, 04:20:54 PM »
Really beautiful and interesting species: I hope you could show any pictures of Allium hierochuntinum, it is very beautiful blue allium!

Rafa
Here is A. hierchuntinum, It grows abundantly in the area of Jericho in the Judea desert, where it takes its name from.
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Re: Allium 2009
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2009, 06:19:23 PM »
Oron superb pictures.
Can you something say about the habitat of A. erdelii and A. tel-avivense ?
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Re: Allium 2009
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2009, 06:27:57 PM »
Amasing pictures, Oron. Thanks for sharing
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Re: Allium 2009
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2009, 06:30:43 PM »
Oron superb pictures.
Can you something say about the habitat of A. erdelii and A. tel-avivense ?

Uli,
A. tel-avivense grows in pure send on the coast line just north to Tel- Aviv, in a few localeties it grows close the water line.
It is endemic to the Israeli coastal line.

A. erdeli has two main populations, the first is in the same area of A. tel-avivense  and the second is in the northern part of the Negev Desert in semidesert conditions but it can be found in smaller quantities in many other parts, but always in  very sunny, open, hot spots with  low growing plants.
It grows also  in the Jordan valley and Jordan as well.

« Last Edit: February 26, 2009, 06:36:10 PM by Oron Peri »
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