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Acis/Leucojum 2017
« on: January 11, 2017, 02:18:45 PM »
I was surprised to find these Acis autumnalis while weeding - and it looks like I missed the first couple of flowers.
It seems a bit early for the "Autumn Snowflake" as we're barely pass mid-summer, but this area has received some rain as well as the sprinkler!
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Re: Acis/Leucojum 2017
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2017, 12:51:06 PM »
Acis tingitana SB&L 202 (Checaouan, Morocco)
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Re: Acis/Leucojum 2017
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2017, 09:42:58 PM »
A few for the Leucojocks...

Leucojum vernum subsp. vernum
Leucojum vernum var. vagneri
Leucojum vernum 'Null Punkte (x 2)
and Leucojum vernum 'Milly'
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Re: Acis/Leucojum 2017
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2017, 11:24:51 PM »
Hi Wim,
nice to see your L. vernum forms, especially 'Null Punkte' - which I thought I'd never seen before but then remembered that I'd read about it last year!
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2016Apr281461879792IRG_76.pdf
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Re: Acis/Leucojum 2017
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2017, 07:26:13 AM »
Hi Wim,
nice to see your L. vernum forms, especially 'Null Punkte' - which I thought I'd never seen before but then remembered that I'd read about it last year!
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2016Apr281461879792IRG_76.pdf
 ;D
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Re: Acis/Leucojum 2017
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2017, 08:41:26 AM »
I have forgotten to post pictures of my L.vernum's from last spring.
They flower here usually in late April. I haven't noticed differences in the flowering time of different kinds, but that is probably because winter lasts so long anyway, and I will have to pay more attention to this.

I got the first L.vernum about ten years ago, one bulb which came originally from Saaremaa, Estonia, where it has naturalized. A friend had a cottage there and she brought bulbs here from there. This type has only one flower in a stem (L.vernum var vernum?), and it has increased well here in these ten years, both from bulbs and from seeds, and I have divided the clump already a couple of times. In the second picture there is the original clump last May after flowering. These have green spots which turn to yellowish olive when the flower matures.

Another type is the one I got from an old lady in the market in Tallinn, Estonia, three bulbs in 2011, and also it increases well. It has mostly two flowers in a stem, and when they start flowering, the spots are green, but mostly turn yellow during flowering. I have been a little confused, because my plants don't stay the same colouring. Last spring I noticed the first seedlings around this clump, and I was glad to read from Wims article that different types come true from seeds. I divided this clump last summer. The third picture is from this type. I have to take better pictures of the flowers of all these this spring.

Then I have one clump which I had bought from Netherland. Also they have mostly two flowers in a stem and also they turn yellow during flowering.

The last picture is of L.vernum var carpathicum which I had bought from Janis Ruksans about then years ago. It has yellow spots right from the beginning of flowering, but it hasn't increased at all during this time. It may be because it grows in dryer spot below a plum tree, and every year I've been meaning to move it and then I forget it in the summer, and can't find it.
All my other Leucojums grow in more moist soil.
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Re: Acis/Leucojum 2017
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2017, 10:49:45 AM »
I have forgotten to post pictures of my L.vernum's from last spring.
They flower here usually in late April. I haven't noticed differences in the flowering time of different kinds, but that is probably because winter lasts so long anyway, and I will have to pay more attention to this.

I got the first L.vernum about ten years ago, one bulb which came originally from Saaremaa, Estonia, where it has naturalized. A friend had a cottage there and she brought bulbs here from there. This type has only one flower in a stem (L.vernum var vernum?), and it has increased well here in these ten years, both from bulbs and from seeds, and I have divided the clump already a couple of times. In the second picture there is the original clump last May after flowering. These have green spots which turn to yellowish olive when the flower matures.

Another type is the one I got from an old lady in the market in Tallinn, Estonia, three bulbs in 2011, and also it increases well. It has mostly two flowers in a stem, and when they start flowering, the spots are green, but mostly turn yellow during flowering. I have been a little confused, because my plants don't stay the same colouring. Last spring I noticed the first seedlings around this clump, and I was glad to read from Wims article that different types come true from seeds. I divided this clump last summer. The third picture is from this type. I have to take better pictures of the flowers of all these this spring.

Then I have one clump which I had bought from Netherland. Also they have mostly two flowers in a stem and also they turn yellow during flowering.

The last picture is of L.vernum var carpathicum which I had bought from Janis Ruksans about then years ago. It has yellow spots right from the beginning of flowering, but it hasn't increased at all during this time. It may be because it grows in dryer spot below a plum tree, and every year I've been meaning to move it and then I forget it in the summer, and can't find it.
All my other Leucojums grow in more moist soil.

Leena, I'm not 100% convinced var. vernum and var. carpathicum should really be given varietal status, there is a gradual change of populations in the wild too...and some start green and turn yellow like yours (might be dependant on the weather and the soil too).

Is the carpathicum from Janis the cultivar Podpolozje? I see they have a double flower on one flower stalk. Also, don't worry. You can lift them now to transplant them (like Galanthus, in the green), just don't leave them out of the soil for too long!
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Re: Acis/Leucojum 2017
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2017, 12:29:41 PM »
Wim, in my notes I have only written L.vernum var carpathicum, and the year was 2007, so I don't know more. I will move them to more moist soil this year!
Most of my Leucojums grow in slightly acidic soil (because of Rhododendrons I haven't added lime), and increase well, but that must be because of the moisture. :) They seem to be so easy to grow and I love them. The only trouble was in the beginning where to get them, as they are not available here in Finland in garden centers.
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Re: Acis/Leucojum 2017
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2017, 02:15:31 PM »
Leucojum vernum

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Re: Acis/Leucojum 2017
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2017, 03:09:58 PM »
I've never looked at the color of the spot at the time I've seen wild population but I have a bulb from a wild population of Jura Mountain (France) and the spot are yellow, from the start of flowering. So, I really don't know what kind of taxonomical statu can be given to carpathicum...
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Re: Acis/Leucojum 2017
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2017, 06:33:23 PM »
Two unnamed Leucojums in flower.
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Re: Acis/Leucojum 2017
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2017, 06:37:27 PM »
I've never looked at the color of the spot at the time I've seen wild population but I have a bulb from a wild population of Jura Mountain (France) and the spot are yellow, from the start of flowering. So, I really don't know what kind of taxonomical statu can be given to carpathicum...

I'm not 100% sure either...I think yellow and green tips can be seen in all populations, so those two varieties might not deserve varietal status.
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Re: Acis/Leucojum 2017
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2017, 04:35:26 PM »
Leucojum vernum var. carpathicum 'Podpolozje'
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Re: Acis/Leucojum 2017
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2017, 05:31:23 PM »
Leucojum aestivum

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Re: Acis/Leucojum 2017
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2017, 02:23:59 AM »
I was surprised to find these Acis autumnalis while weeding - and it looks like I missed the first couple of flowers.
It seems a bit early for the "Autumn Snowflake" as we're barely pass mid-summer...
Two months later and they are still flowering! Good value,eh?!
This clump is originally from Otto; I think he told me that they were sourced in Portugal.
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