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Re: Mosses, Lichens, Liverworts etc: under-recorded groups
« Reply #90 on: August 24, 2016, 07:55:02 PM »
More lovely images Trond. I suspect there will be various aquatic plants such as Potamogeton or Utricularia in amongst the Carex. I made the mistake of introducing C. rostrata to one of my garden ponds and it is  an enthusiastic spreader.

Thank you Tristan :)

Utricularia may grow there and Potamogeton surely; and also Myriophyllum I think!

Carex rostrata spreads a lot so I will never try it in my little pond ;)
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« Reply #91 on: August 24, 2016, 09:16:17 PM »

Carex rostrata spreads a lot so I will never try it in my little pond ;)

I scythe mine to keep it in check. Eleocharis palustris is a much better bet for a pond as it is lower growing and does not grow so dense.

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« Reply #92 on: August 24, 2016, 09:51:11 PM »
Thought I had posted this but its not showing so will try again. Went on some fieldwork a couple of weeks ago looking at some lowland ponds in Wrexham-Maelor. We had some rather hair-raising encounters with some frisky young cows, but came across this interesting thing - Ricciocarpos natans, an aquatic liverwort. There are only about ten records in the whole of Wales. It was growing in dense Typha swamp with another uncommon plant, Potamogeton alpinus.



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We also found this Potamogeton obtusifolius, which isn't a moss or a liverwort but I guess all water plants are a bit under recorded. The unusually flattened stems deceived us into thinking it was the much rarer P. compressus initially, but careful examination of the specimens put us right.



Potamogeton alpinus in habitat. I love this pondweed, why people grow inferior oxygenators like Canadian pondweed is beyond me.



Cowbane, Cicuta virosa, is very common in this landscape, even though it is a rare plant in Britain.
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Re: Mosses, Lichens, Liverworts etc: under-recorded groups
« Reply #93 on: August 24, 2016, 10:18:53 PM »
Ricciocarpos natans is not a native plant here but you can find it as a hitch-hiker when you buy plants for your pond. Maybe some have escaped too.
Potamogeton alpinus is very common though!
I know Potamogeton obtusifolius is common in a lake near my work, and possibly other lakes around here also. It grows together with P. perfoliatus, Callitriche hamulata, Elodea canadensis and a Nitella sp.

I have never found Cicuta virosa here but back in Oslo when I lived there!
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« Reply #94 on: August 26, 2016, 04:39:02 PM »
According to the field guide, Ricciocarpos natans is mostly Eastern England, in the UK. I have seen cowbane at Loch Kinnordy, near Kirriemuir. I think Ian Christie would have seen it?

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« Reply #95 on: September 28, 2016, 08:11:37 PM »
Four? different Sphagnums on the local patch today, img 102013, img. 102015, img. 102018 and img. 102019. I have been told that the last two are the same species S. palustre. The first is S. fallax and the second is S. capillifolium ssp. rubellum.
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Re: Mosses, Lichens, Liverworts etc: under-recorded groups
« Reply #96 on: October 01, 2016, 09:13:40 AM »
Here is one of the 50 species we have here (but I am not sure of the names of any of them!)
This could be Sphagnum warnstorfii

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« Reply #97 on: October 01, 2016, 12:23:18 PM »
Hello Trond, the UK field guide says S. warnstorfi is most often all deep crimson, but can be green. It is Northern in distribution in the UK. I am not a Bryologist. Some Sphagnums vary in colour, sometimes changing colour in winter. I wonder if yours is S. pulchrum, a very rare moss here in the UK.

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« Reply #98 on: October 10, 2016, 02:22:05 AM »
As I said, today I found a lot of mushrooms. I only know the first one which is an Amanita of some sort. The other ones, I named them m1-m4 ;D
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« Reply #99 on: October 10, 2016, 12:57:14 PM »
Gabriela, M1 could be Polyporus badius. M2 could be a Hygrocybe. M3 could be Lycoperdon pyriforme. There are too many similar ones to try M4. I used "Mushrooms by Roger Phillips." I expect you have many of the same species as we have.

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« Reply #100 on: October 10, 2016, 05:51:29 PM »
Hello Trond, the UK field guide says S. warnstorfi is most often all deep crimson, but can be green. It is Northern in distribution in the UK. I am not a Bryologist. Some Sphagnums vary in colour, sometimes changing colour in winter. I wonder if yours is S. pulchrum, a very rare moss here in the UK.

Ian youmay well be right. I am no bryologist either and warnstorfi was suggested to me.
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« Reply #101 on: October 10, 2016, 05:52:30 PM »
As I said, today I found a lot of mushrooms. I only know the first one which is an Amanita of some sort. The other ones, I named them m1-m4 ;D

I wouldn't eat any!
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« Reply #102 on: October 10, 2016, 06:25:39 PM »
Gabriela, M1 could be Polyporus badius. M2 could be a Hygrocybe. M3 could be Lycoperdon pyriforme. There are too many similar ones to try M4. I used "Mushrooms by Roger Phillips." I expect you have many of the same species as we have.

Thank you for ID Ian. You're right, many species from Europe also grow here, but of course there are others strictly North American.
I know a few but because I'm not seeing them too often, I forget the names. I suspected the m3 to be a puff ball.
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« Reply #103 on: October 10, 2016, 06:27:22 PM »
I wouldn't eat any!

Well, actually Trond, I could have collected the m3 ;)
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« Reply #104 on: October 11, 2016, 07:46:45 AM »
Well, actually Trond, I could have collected the m3 ;)

Well Gabriela, m3 looks a bit like some gasteromycetes I know (and dare to eat) but I never eat any mushroom I don't know!
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