The 'Drop Out

[Alan_b]

But my copy of The 'Drop Out says:

Images and text are copyright Joe Sharman and should not be reproduced without permission.

I would have thought that would include a scanned or photographed copy.  If Uwe is correct and the intention is to offer it for sale then we should not be distributing scanned copies (nor asking for them) any more than we should do with books or magazines.  Even if this one is a free trial copy, surely Joe should be consulted for permission?   

[emma T]

I've got a copy 

It does say do not reproduce copies without permission

[chasw]

But Alan if we have not even seen a copy how are we to know not to ask for a copy??

[Maggi Young]

But Alan if we have not even seen a copy how are we to know not to ask for a copy??

 A rather clever point, Chas!

Chas and I were asking for a private copy to be shown to us. We are not asking for the copy to be shown here ( nor should it be without Joe's permission) nor for any public or commercial use to  be made of the item. 
 If future "issues"  are to be printed then I assume that Chas, like myself, is interested to know whether or not we might wish to order them.

[Alan_b]

I've always wanted the index from the second edition of 'Snowdrops', the one where all the names are in full alphabetical order rather then ordered by species and then alphabetically.  Are we saying if I asked somebody to photocopy that for me it would not be infringing the copyright?  Because then I would not need to buy the book so that could be £60 not going to Griffin Press and thence (in part) to Messrs. Bishop, Davis and Grimshaw.  But then I didn't buy the second edition and have no intention of doing so because I have the first edition and don't want to pay £60 just for the benefit of a better index.

I never asked because hitherto I assumed I would be asking the donor to infringe the copyright.

[WimB]

If you look at the letter of the law, even private copies are prohibited, else we could all look at "private copies" of pirated films or books without that being a crime.
And Chas, you can know there are copies of something without having seen them, I know there are copies of "Fifty shades of Grey" without ever having seen one.

[chasw]

But until Alans post, no one on here, I would guess,would even know that it was copywritten.Not as with the monograph which would as a large book would have copyright

[brianw]

I've always wanted the index from the second edition of 'Snowdrops', the one where all the names are in full alphabetical order rather then ordered by species and then alphabetically.the benefit of a better index.

I never asked because hitherto I assumed I would be asking the donor to infringe the copyright.

I thought it was just me that thought the species sequence was rather pointless. You could borrow the book and make your own copy. The RHS library loan books but not through Hyde Hall I think, so postage would be costly. (assuming RHS membership) Maybe some nice member will send you a copy now, without you asking.

[WimB]

But until Alans post, no one on here, I would guess,would even know that it was copywritten.Not as with the monograph which would as a large book would have copyright

All originally created content is automatically copyrighted....the © is just for show. Under the "Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works" the creation of the work automatically establishes copyright.

[Maggi Young]

But my copy of The 'Drop Out says:

I would have thought that would include a scanned or photographed copy.  If Uwe is correct and the intention is to offer it for sale then we should not be distributing scanned copies (nor asking for them) any more than we should do with books or magazines.  Even if this one is a free trial copy, surely Joe should be consulted for permission?   

Yes,  and Mark is in full contact with Joe and so in a position to ask him.  If the idea is to have a free trial copy to tempt the purchase of future copies, then it is likely that the idea is to spread the word. Copyright is basically to prevent the re-use or re-sale of another person's intellectual property for  unfair commercial gain or to circumvent the earnings of the copyright holder.  No such intention is meant here.

[mark smyth]

I'll ask if I can show a page or two

[Maggi Young]

I'll ask if I can show a page or two

I had imagined you would be asking Joe if you could share with the likes of Chas and myself, Mark -  there is no worry if he doesn't want that  or want it shown here. We are,after all, only trying to help with publicity. If it's not wanted, that's fine.

[Alan_b]

I too thought Mark would ask Joe before distributing any copies; it's common courtesy irrespective of the legal position.  But I also thought it best that this was made explicit.

And really I was trying to hint that Griffin Press could extract a pound or two from me for a copy of the amendments that went into the second edition of 'Snowdrops' if they wanted to take that business opportunity.

[Maggi Young]

And really I was trying to hint that Griffin Press could extract a pound or two from me for a copy of the amendments that went into the second edition of 'Snowdrops' if they wanted to take that business opportunity.

cool idea!

[WimB]

That is the best solution, I'm sure Joe won't mind to publish a couple of pages or even to share with people. The point I was trying to make, was about respect for the owner of the copyright, it's just as nice to ask for permission.