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Bulbs => NARCISSUS => Topic started by: Gerdk on September 28, 2012, 12:22:59 PM
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Yesterday the first autumn flowering daffodills began to flower - about 10 days later than in 2011
This is Narcissus cavanillesii ssp. mauretanicus - a Salmon collection, received as N. humilis ssp. mauretanicus
Gerd
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Little beauties Gerd.
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very nice pot, Gerd. Here this same species is very delayed, just starting to make the roots, and also in the nature they are still almost weaking up from dormancy, I think as no friend have pictured yet...
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Gerd, what a sight!
Your heat treating system is working superior - not to mention your growing skill ;)
Poul
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Are there any autumn-flowering narcissi that you could grow outdoors in the UK (south)?
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Since it blooms after 21th September I think Narcissus broussonetii can be rightly consider an Autumn narcissus.... even if we are still in full summer here. It's very strange that such a nice species hasn't been introduced early in cultivation, it's a very valuable introduction for the Mediterranean gardens
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Beautiful Angelo and very well grown.
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Gerd - must look out for seed.
Angelo I don't know your Narcissus either.
We do learn so much on this forum.
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Here is my narcissus elegans, each bulb is producing 2 flower stems, so the pot has been in flower now for 2 weeks, and it will keep going for another 2, with its fabulous scent, also producing good seed it seems.
Pontus
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Narcissus cavanillesii ssp. mauretanicus is fabulous, ! i did not even know that this species existed!
Pontus
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Thanks for kind comments alltogether!
Pontus, your Narcissus elegans has a superior corona shape. The petals of my plants tend to curve inwards.
I am not sure if this is a matter of cultivation (lack of light for instance) or if this is a special characteristic of
the clones I grow.
See pics from today!
Gerd
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Are there any autumn-flowering narcissi that you could grow outdoors in the UK (south)?
I'd be inclined to say no Alan but could easily be proved to be wrong.
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I'd be inclined to say no Alan but could easily be proved to be wrong.
I'm inclined to say the same (without David's qualification).
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Pontus, I would say your N. elegans is N. obsoletus due the corona division in segments.
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Since it blooms after 21th September I think Narcissus broussonetii can be rightly consider an Autumn narcissus.... even if we are still in full summer here. It's very strange that such a nice species hasn't been introduced early in cultivation, it's a very valuable introduction for the Mediterranean gardens
An extremely beautiful plant Angelo. It seems to be only available from one supplier in the UK &, unfortunately, it is very expensive.
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Thanks to a generous forum member, I can show Narcissus miniatus ex. Cadiz (just opened and not fully coloured) and Narcissus cavanillesii mauretanicus.
Poul
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Poul - that Narcissus miniatus ex. Cadiz is beautiful. Perhaps you can post another photo when the colour develops?
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Gerry, certainly I will!
Poul
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Fine to see so many autumn flowering Narcissi here!
Narcissus obsoletus (syn. N. miniatus) also has started to flower here - sometimes there are 3 flowers on one stalk. Have never seen any leave in a flowering plant of this species while N. elegans always has.
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As those of you who follow Ian's Bulb Log will know, we do not have much sucess with the Autumn flowering narcissus - so these photos of them looking so wonderful for you folks is a delight for us to see and enjoy, thank you!
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Hans, fatastic wellcome home after your visit!
Narcissus obsoletus, could developpe or not one leaf when blooms, for example there are some localities in Malaga that have most of plants withe leaves. And as you mentioned N. elegans and N. malacitanus always have leaves.
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Hello, here I have not flowers yet, but the N. miniatus already sprouted from the soil...
I've also sowed cavanillesii seeds, but did not germinated yet. This year I want to increase my Narcissus collection, if someone has surplus seeds, they would be very welcome :)
Hola Rafa, que tal? Cuanto tiempo!!! ;)
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Cris, you live in a narcissi paradise! why don't you collect the species from Portugal? I will send you my seed collection.
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Rafa, wish I have time available to can go to these places and collect seeds...Near me are the calcicola, but I never saw one in flower! Maybe this winter I'll try to find them.
Many thanks for sending me seeds, I'll pm you because I've changed my adress.
Do you remember the Eremurus ...that you sent me some years ago? It has very strong rooths and left out of the pot, I repoted it a few weeks ago. I'm wishing to see it's flowers one day:)
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We will see the species near your home, minimum 3 or 4, sure.
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in this period i have too some flowers:D
Narcissus broussonetii and Narcissus miniatus (i think...)
both are sweetly fragrant :D :D
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Thanks Rafa and Maggi ! ;)
Great plants Matteo, I think you are right with the name of N. miniatus/obsoletus - very nice form!
Here some pictures I took today - (a bouquet of) Narcissus x perezlarae, N.elegans, first flower of N.elegans (Balearic form) and N. x alleniae.
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A beautiful collection Hans. The scent must be wonderful.
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An extremely beautiful plant Angelo. It seems to be only available from one supplier in the UK &, unfortunately, it is very expensive.
Rareplants have it as well at £12.5, only 2 in stock
http://www.rareplants.co.uk/basket.asp?s=rmmazp1195874&strPageHistory=related&numSearchStartRecord=0&strReturnTo=product&numReturnCAT_ID=0&numReturnP_ID=670&numReturnRecordPosition=1&strAction=add&numLineCount=1&V1=773&Q1=13&strAddButton1=Add (http://www.rareplants.co.uk/basket.asp?s=rmmazp1195874&strPageHistory=related&numSearchStartRecord=0&strReturnTo=product&numReturnCAT_ID=0&numReturnP_ID=670&numReturnRecordPosition=1&strAction=add&numLineCount=1&V1=773&Q1=13&strAddButton1=Add)
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Some beautiful narcissi there. 8)
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Orpheos, congratulations, is not easy to make bloom N. broussonetii.
Hans, terrific pictures. After our telephone conversation, definitively Balearic plants are not N. elegans, to me. Probably it is another species and the parents involved could be N. elegans and N. obsoletus. In my observations many times the hybrid replace the ecological role from one or both parents, and maybe N. elegans is the one who has disappeared.
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Very nice autumn Narcissus all friends ! ;) Lucky men to be able to get them flowering ::)
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Wow Hans what a collection of super clumps. :o :o
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Very impressed by these beautiful plants.
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Thanks a lot for all the kind comments! :)
As Rafa already mentioned the balearic N. elegans puzzled me as it is so diferent to the N. elegans I know.
I had received my plants a few years ago from Germany with the information they came originally from Mallorca. As I grow only a few samples I did not know if my observation (only one leave per bulb, different corona...) is typical for balearic plants or if perhaps I had received totally different plants. This species is a very local plant and I never have seen it in nature, but I had a few good hints where to look for it. So yesterday I jumped in the car to started a trip to the south of the island after I checked the plants in my garden again. Here some detail pictures of the plants I had received as N. elegans ex Mallorca:
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On the way I saw something white flowering - stopped the car and checked the plants - a few late N. obsoletus (most are over).
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Then after about 1 hour of driving I arrived at the area where N. elegans should grow - I started to search and after a while I found the first white flowering plant - N. obsoletus again? It was the balearic Narcissus elegans - first only single plants/clumps; but then a good number of them on a very reduced site - I searched in the surroundings but could not find no plants of this species. Here some pics:
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Hans, your narcissus in the garden are very impressive, but it is even more exciting to see them in the wild!
As promised in an earlier post is here Narcissus miniatus (obsoletus) ex Cadiz, now with a second flower and a pot full of Narcissus cavanillesii mauretanicus.
Poul
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The plants I found are very similar - there are small differences in the corona to those I grow, every flowering plant had only one leave. I got the information mine were collected when a street was built. As in the visited habitat there was no newer road and because of the small differences of the coronana it seems they came from another population. Leonardo Llorenc mentioned this species growing at the border of small streets and ways in 1972 - as Mallorca has changed a lot in the last 40 Years possibly a lot of Habitats were lost. Is the name "N. elegans" correct for this plant? Seems it was called N. oxypetalus, N.elegans var. oxipetalus; fr. sordidicoronatus earlier...
( http://ibdigital.uib.es/greenstone/collect/bolletiHistoriaNaturalVolums/import/Bolleti_1972v017.pdf (http://ibdigital.uib.es/greenstone/collect/bolletiHistoriaNaturalVolums/import/Bolleti_1972v017.pdf), page 56)
picture left N. elegans N. Africa / right "N. elegans" from Mallorca
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... and a pot full of Narcissus cavanillesii mauretanicus.
Wow! Superb!
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Extraordinary daffs were shown here!
After one week absence I was greeted here by
1. Narcissus miniatus/obsoletus from Southern Spain
2. Same species from Crete - received from a generous forum member
3. Narcissus x perezlarae
4.+5. An outstanding floriferous clone of Narcissus cavanillesii - received from Ian Robertson
6. Narcissus cavanillesii - ' normal ' - for comparison
Gerd
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Lovely wee beauties, Gerd. 8)
You can account yourself lucky ;D
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Lovely selection Gerd.
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Beautiful Gerd. The form from Cadiz is particularly lovely.
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They are all just beautiful.
Susan
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Gerd, 4-5 I wouldn't say N. cavanillesii, it seems something like your N. x moronensis, but the nothovariety with N. cavanillesii as a mother.
Hans, definitively N. elegans in Mallorca is another different species, almost to me. Appart the obvious different morphology, it hasn't the pigment composition in the corona, it hasn' the red pigment that make the orange corona. This plant has inhertied the pigments from N. obsoletus, wich it could be probably one of their parents. I am sure even they have different scent.
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Thanks for kind comments alltogether!
Rafa: I'll have a closer look at the N. cavanillesii (4.+5.) if there is any sign of hybrid origin. Fortunately Professor
Sanders is interested in pollen of the plant, so perhaps he will be able to give addtional hints.
Gerd
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Superb plants Gerd, here all those plants should be much easier than in Central Europe but you grow Narcissus cavanillesii much better than me... ::) ;)
Rafa, I agree with you, I also have some problems to call it N. elegans, in my eyes it is to different.
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Two pictures from yesterday: first Narcissus viridiflorus and N. x alleniae, latter very floriferous this year. :)
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Two pictures from yesterday: first Narcissus viridiflorus and N. x alleniae, latter very floriferous this year. :)
Hans, what a wonderful performance with these daffs!
I add two flowers of Narcissus elegans (originally from Jebel Zerhoun/Morocco) from today which contrary to my elegans varietas oxypetalus show an interrupted corona. Sorry - not well visible in second pic!
Gerd
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Thanks a lot Gerd!
Thanks for showing those very nice and interesting N. elegans!
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Gerd, this puzzel me, how many leaves have per bulb this particular N. elegans? Is it possible a range between N. obsoletus and N. elegans? pfffffffffffffffffffffffff
Hansi, too green, it tempted to me to make a salad! :o :o :o
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How much time takes the N. viridiflorus to germinate? Thanks:)
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Rafa: I'll have a closer look at the N. cavanillesii (4.+5.) if there is any sign of hybrid origin. Fortunately Professor
Sanders is interested in pollen of the plant, so perhaps he will be able to give addtional hints.
Gerd
Rafa,
It seems this plant stays to be a mistery. Professor Sanders had a look at the pollen yesterday but found
only one fertile pollen grain - the others seemed to be infertile. This phenomenon can be caused be the
cold and rainy weather we experienced even now or by hybrid origin of the plants. I'll try to gather some
additional pollen once again because we had an optimistic weather forecast.
Otherwise the flowers are typical cavanillesii(except for the size), i.e. with long protruding filaments and a more or less lacking corona.
I add two additional pics. Left is always the 'Ian Robertson type'.
Gerd
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Gerd, this puzzel me, how many leaves have per bulb this particular N. elegans? Is it possible a range between N. obsoletus and N. elegans? pfffffffffffffffffffffffff
To Rafa again:
Shame on me! I confused my elegans forms. It was NOT the Jebel Zerhoun collection which
shows the interrupted corona but the var. oxypetalus!
With the exception of one (from 7) all had a flowering stalk and leaves. The leaves are flat and glaucous.
There were no single flowers. The origin of my stock was seed from the Wuppertal Botanical Garden (Erich
Pasche) where N. elegans and miniatus/obsoletus grew side by side. So hybridisation can't be excluded.
Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the genetic constellations of the species mentioned but as far I remember
there are some Spanish records about that.
Gerd
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I still think it smells like warm vinyl
Narcissus viridiflorus
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Gerd, thank you very much for the interesting info. Maybe these N. cavanillesii are simply more big, as you say the rest of the characters are pure N. cavanillesii.
I am sitill thinking that this var. oxipetalus, is the result of several crosses between pure N. elegans and N. obsoletus. I think is not a good idea to maintain in the same species, a plant that could have segemented corona or not, it is an important character and I think is would be interesting to understand why it has this character. Maybe your big cavanillesii it would be good variety or stirpe, form... because maintain almost the most important common characters from the same species, but to compare N. elegans from Argelia with N. elegans oxypetalus from Mallorca is like compare a horse with a donkey, I think. The comparation picture that Hans did is a good start to see how diferent they are.
A couple of species that last year set seeds
N. piifontianus
N. x alleniae
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Lovely to see these Rafa. 8)
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It is nice to see all these interesting Narcissus!
Two of mine has opened today.
Narcissus x alentejanus and one labeled as Narcissus serotinus.
Poul
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I would like to compare both N. x alentejanus and N. x perez-larae, maybe it will be some diferences in perianth tube.
I think the second picture is N. obsoletus, very nice anyway.
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Here is my best/most floriferous autumn flowering species
Narcissus miniatus (obsoletus/serotinus) x tazetta
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Narcissus x alleniae - just opening
Gerd
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Gerd, very nice this miniatus x tazetta hybrid. Is it a natural hybrid or you made your own?
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Thank you, Angelo.
This hybrid is the result of a cross done by mother nature in Israel. I received it from
a generous forum member.
Gerd
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I have both species native here, but the flower several weeks apart, obsoletum/miniatum in September- October, tazetta in December- January, so any natural cross is unlikely
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Angelo,
Narcissus tazetta has two variants in Israel, first is an autumnal form that blooms with the leaves not fully developed, it flower in Mid October - November, depend on rains.
The other form is restricted to valleys with damp conditions, often literaly growing in the water for quite few weeks, also it is more robust plant. It blooms in mid December - February.
The autumnal form blooms at the same time as N. obsoletus and in one small area on the north part of the coast the two species overlap to create these hybrids.
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Oron, are there seeds availible from both N. tazettas?
I also grow the same hybrid that Gerd and Oron grow, but the plat I grow is from Corsica. Oron, do you know the parent role in this hybrid? is it tazetta or obsoletus that accting as a mother? maybe it is possible two nothovaieties in this cross deppending which one was the mother, in this case it would be very interesting to study it in the nature. Maybe in our hybrids, the mother was N. obsoletus, because it has the corona with segments, but what will happend if tazetta would be the mother? would it have the corona complete? veeeeeeeery interesting to me.....
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Lovely hybrid Gerd. 8)
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Gerd now that is the sort of Narcissus that gladdens my heart. Thanks Oron for the explanation.
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Rafa,
I think the two species act as mother plants: there are hybrids that look more tazetta, and others more obsoletus. Both sterile.
The hybrid in Gerd's photo has flowers of the tazetta type [90 degree] with more flowers than the 1-2[-3] in obsoletus.
But as you can notice it has only one leaf as in obsoletus.
I'm afraid i do not have seeds of the tazetta this year but I'll collect some for you.
By the way the autumnal variety sets seeds by the end of November, early December while the other varieta not before February.
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Here is my best/most floriferous autumn flowering species
Narcissus miniatus (obsoletus/serotinus) x tazetta
Superb picture of great plant, Gerd - and for sure perfectly grown.
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Thanks for compliments alltogether - but, most of the honour deserves the donor and the adaptability
of the species to different growing conditions - seems to be very easy growing.
Unfortunately multiplication would be a slow process - unless someone tries chipping.
Gerd
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Autumn has finally arrived here, although it is 31c today.
N. obsoletus and one of the forms of N. obsoletus x tazetta start to bloom.
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Now this is new, this morning i have noticed 3 new, identical seedling growing in the N. cavanilesii pots.
I suspect it might be N. obsoletus x cavanillesii
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very curious lines in the petals :o It is very probably any kind of chromosom introgression, but I' not sure if it is a pure hybrid, it don't has the characters of N x perez larae, the corona must be reduced and you have to see the filamente exerted from the corona. Although it could be very pale, if the mother was obsoletus, normally the whole petals are colored with the same color that this line have. But it is very curious, it reminds me the peach obsoletus that Gerds grow.
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But it is very curious, it reminds me the peach obsoletus that Gerds grow.
Thanks Rafa,
I have taken this option in consideration as i grow also Gerds 'Orange Form' but it blooms last usually after all my obsoletus are over.
Also the color in Gerd's form is more 'washed' on the petal. It is a mystery... :-\
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Gosh. That looks very different with the yellow mid line! :o
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Just as Rafa wrote to me it doesn't look like a hybrid - all hybrids of obsoletus/miniatus and serotinus s.str. always show unicoloured yellow petals when opening.
Maybe it's best to test fertility because hybrids are more or less infertile or have at least a reduced seedset.
Very handsome flowers though!
Gerd
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Oron and Gerd i've only a word for descrive your plants:"WOW"
here i 've another plants labelled serotinus that is blooming now.. i think it maybe the true serotinus, it is completely differet from the other one
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All these autumn narcissi are so beautiful. I admire everyone's skill in growing them so well.
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Seconded.
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Matteo, do you have a lateral view of this plants? Narcissus serotinus, rarely has two flowers.
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I would like to compare both N. x alentejanus and N. x perez-larae, maybe it will be some diferences in perianth tube.
I think the second picture is N. obsoletus, very nice anyway.
Rafa,
Narcissus x alentejanus again and the second picture of the perianth tube.
Poul
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Narcissus miniatus (obsoletus) under glass.
Poul
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Now this is new, this morning i have noticed 3 new, identical seedling growing in the N. cavanilesii pots.
I suspect it might be N. obsoletus x cavanillesii
Oron,
Among my Narcissus miniatus in the previous post is a single plant, which looks somewhat like your seedlings.
It has just opened at the first pic. The second pic is 10 days later.
Poul
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Poul,
your plants are very nice, I admire a lot all you people in Northern Europe growing these plants, which are native here and I grow almost without care
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Thank you Poul, I will download these pictures.
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Some Narcissus serotinus growing near Vathia in the Peloponnese a couple of days ago
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Tony, these beautiful narcissi are N. obsoletus, Narcissus serotinus only grows in North Atlantic Morocco, South-West Spain and South Portugal; and Narcissus obsoletus is a Mediterranean element.
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Tony, these beautiful narcissi are N. obsoletus, Narcissus serotinus only grows in North Atlantic Morocco, South-West Spain and South Portugal; and Narcissus obsoletus is a Mediterranean element.
Rafa
thank you and a not unexpected comment as I know your views on them being different species. I see from your post on the msg forum there are supposed to be difference but they all seem either/or and not definitive. As an example some of the plants I found had no leaves at flowering and some did although only slightly developed.
I suppose I just believe they are the same with minor natural variations.
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They are different species, believe me. Apart different chromosome count and geographical distribution there are several morphological differences.
Narcissus serotinus hasn't leaves when blooms.
Narcissus obsletus could develop one leaf or not, when blooms.
Narcissus serotinus rarley has two flowers per scape
Narcissus obsletus can develop several flowers per scape
Narcissus serotinus has a pure yellow corona
Narcissus obsoletus has orange/brown corona (greenish/brown at the beginning)
Also they have different corona segment disposition
Narcissus serotinus has a perianth tube like a bottle, with visible segments
Narcissus obsoletus has a perianth tube regular conical
There are some places in Spain where N serotinus and N. obsoletus grow together, maybe N. serotinus can rarely has two flowers per scape, because is in fact an hybrid between both species.
When you are familiarize oneself with both species is almost impossible to be mixtaken
Here are some pictures from my friend Paco Moreno, who knows very well both species.
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in addition, all these characters are constant in the whole localities and also in culture. Also N. obsoletus is a biggger plant and robust than N. serotinus.
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Rafa
thank you for the information and pictures which is very interesting to read and see
I know you and many others are convinced they are different species and I respect that opinion but I can see from the pages of discussion on various forums that others disagree not only with these particular plants but many others as well.
That is how I think this subject will always be and I just enjoy seeing the plants and growing them. I will leave my labels as they are as no doubt within a few years another opinion will hold sway and the names will all change again.
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of course Tony, I just wanted to expose my reasons to explain why I consider totally different species, I can't uderstand why they have been considered the same for so long.
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hi Rafa
sadly I've no one good lateral photos :( and now the blooms are gone:( i've also looked at pics of last years but i've only found a close up of the corona... also last year it has 2 flowers... by the way the plants come from Paul Christian...
Matteo, do you have a lateral view of this plants? Narcissus serotinus, rarely has two flowers.
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Narcissus viridiflorus... mine has a very bad smell:(
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Thank you Matteo, I think your plants are not N. serotinus, I think it is N. obsoletus x N. tazetta, the same plant that Oron and Gerd showed.
Sorry about you N. viridiflorus, it is my favourite scent, maybe I have a bad sense of smell ;D
Today I received a bad news concerning Moroccan Narcissus antiatlanticus, that has been plunded one year after its publication... this is the problem of sharing precise localities in scientific articles. Well done to the responsable of this, I hope you gain a lot of money with the bulbs >:( :-X
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thank you Rafa;)
concerning viridiflorus i think mine is a stinking clone;)
it's very sad (and bad) news :'(
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Really shocking news Rafa about the Moroccan Narcissus antiatlanticus. Some people are just greedy and self centered.
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It will be interesting to see if they turn up in someones nursery list.
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Not mine, I hasten to add.
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I am completely sure Anne,
Fortunately there are several localities of the same species that are not published. If the collector is reading me, thanks to hime we can't continue our study in this particular place because the only thing left of this specie are the holes that he did to extract the bulbs, an important amount of plants, by the way.
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It will be interesting to see if they turn up in someones nursery list.
I suspect they will not turn up in a nursery list. I wonder whether they were collected (i.e., stolen) to order?
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Maybe..... it seems they were very selective choosing only this species mixed with other bulbouse plants like Pancratium sp, etc.. and they know very well this narcissus genus as they collected it before bloom, only by seeing the leaves.
I will try to introduce this species properly by seeds.
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Incredible, I can't understand the reason of this poaching, seeing this species is closely related to N. broussonetii would not be a garden species for northern climates
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Do we have a picture of this plant?
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Outrageous. >:(
Glad to hear you will try to introduce this species by seed Rafa!
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Here's another of Rafa's introductions. It's Narcissus malacitanus, an autumn blooming narcissus from the Sierra Nevada. I'm very happy to see the growth and I hope I can distribute the seeds in a few years. Thank you Rafa for the seeds!
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Anthony, N. antiatlanticus is bigger and robust than N. broussonetii. It has 8 short and flat leaves per bulb (at blooming time) shorter than scape, when N. broussonetii has 4 long leaves. I will post some pictures.
Narcissus malacitanus, is a robust form of N. elegans, I think this is the purest N. elegans, as it's completely isolated far from other Narcissus like N. serotinus, N. viridiflorus or N. cavanillesii. In Mallorca and Morocco (I suppose also im Algeria) there is a genetic chaos between all these species and they are all mixed. Very complex to study Narcissus in Morocco... N. malacitanus only grows in Malaga. It is fantastic haw you germinated these seeds. It is easy to grow and quite hardy, more than N. elegans from North Africa.
DAMN!! this year I was too late in sending my index (as usually :-\) so this year as you notice, I am not in the wild collection donors.
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Hi Rafa, I indeed noticed that the wild collected Narcissus were in shorter supply than former years and missed your entries. A pity you were too late, I would surely have picked some. Hopefully we will have another chance next year. :D
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I do not know if this is the right place to post pics of these winter flowering Narcissus, but it is still autumn, so here they are: My first flowers of what I believe is Narcissus Nylon in the open garden.
Poul
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Poul, this is most interesting for us to see, in a year when we have none of the narcissus flowering that we usually expect at this time of year .... I think you will find Ian commenting on this in tomorrow's Bulb Log.
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Maggi, yes this is strange. My N. Nylon under glass is far behind - only in small buds. They were watered in the end of August.
Poul
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Greetings from Turkey,Antalya..
I am very new for forum but fond of daffodils. In Turkey,autumn flowering narcissus is rarely seen. I only saw 'paper white' flowering before winter. We Turks mostly prefer good smelling flower for gardening.
I am very happy to see more autumn flowering daffodils,and I wonder if I asked seed .....
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Greetings from Turkey,Antalya..
I am very new for forum but fond of daffodils. In Turkey,autumn flowering narcissus is rarely seen. I only saw 'paper white' flowering before winter. We Turks mostly prefer good smelling flower for gardening.
I am very happy to see more autumn flowering daffodils,and I wonder if I asked seed .....
Welcome to the forum Ikizzeki! It is nice to have visitors from Turkey, the land of bulbs.
I will have seeds off some of my Narcissus miniature/obsoletus in a few months. If you reminds me at that time, I will send some to you. N. miniature smells good, but not as strong as paper white.
Are there growing wild bulbs in the area where you live? If yes, maybe we can swap some seeds.
Poul
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welcome Ikizzeki
you have some lovely autumn flowering narcissus in Turkey not too far from where you live.
At Kas the rocks below the helicopter landing pad are filled with Narcissus tazetta and both in the woods near Akyaka and on the hillsides near Bozburum are masses of Narcissus serotinus both in flower at this time of year.
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Poul, this is most interesting for us to see, in a year when we have none of the narcissus flowering that we usually expect at this time of year .... I think you will find Ian commenting on this in tomorrow's Bulb Log.
Ther are aslo in my garden a couple bulbocodium narcissi from Mike Salmon, in bloom from Morocco. But it don't surprise me as there are also blooming in the wild in Morocco.
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Hello pehe,
Thanks alot..I am not good at but ı see some different crocuses flowering around my land.Also grow some imy land..But ı have never seen their seed pod. If you tell me how tos I can collect for you..
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Hello Tony Willis,
Thanks for advices.. Kas is very close to me .I.ll try it..Tasettas flower in early spring. Some triend promised to send bulbs from 'Karaburun'.
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Hello Tony Willis,
Thanks for advices.. Kas is very close to me .I.ll try it..Tasettas flower in early spring. Some triend promised to send bulbs from 'Karaburun'.
No they flower late October early November. Picture taken 1st November 2011 at Kas
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Thanks.. I'll try to do .
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Hello pehe,
Thanks alot..I am not good at but ı see some different crocuses flowering around my land.Also grow some imy land..But ı have never seen their seed pod. If you tell me how tos I can collect for you..
The crocus seed pod stays under ground until spring/summer when the leaves wither. At that time the seed pod grows above the ground, and can be collected. You can see seed pods here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2004/080604/log.html (http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2004/080604/log.html)
But some garden crocus (hybrids) are sterile and don't set seeds. The crocus species which grows in the wild do set seeds.
Poul
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Thanks pehe,
I have remembered..But after fading fllower how can I define which speciies was it?
Because almost three different colours are around,and are spoiled around.
I wanted to show some pics for but not succed on posting..I think one is C.mathewii .I correctly know it.Others are white ,purple erf coloured..
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Poul, this is most interesting for us to see, in a year when we have none of the narcissus flowering that we usually expect at this time of year .... I think you will find Ian commenting on this in tomorrow's Bulb Log.
Very little showing here either, apart from one rather miserable N. cantabricus var. foliosus. Received - surprise, surprise - as N. cantabricus subsp. cantabricus.
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This one is right on target for flowering time as compared to last year.
Narcissus canatabricus var. foliosus
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Well in advance of mine Arnold. Narcissus 'Taffeta' is going to be my first of the season, should be open next week.
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As Ian bemoans in this week's Bulb Log, this is proving a very late year for narcissus here.....
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2012Nov281354112077BULB_LOG_4812.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2012Nov281354112077BULB_LOG_4812.pdf)
Will we actually see any of our usual flowers from October, November and December before 2013? :o :-X
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A late flower of a late planted Narcissus x alleniae
Poul
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I just measured nuclear DNA content of three clones of N malacitanus. They all have 29.7 picogram DNA per nucleus , very close to the weight of N elegans with 30.2 pg ..............If this is just elegans its presence is predicted as N miniatus (50 pg)grows in southern spain, the doubled hybrid between N serotinus ( 30 pg) and elegans (20 pg). The non doubled hybrid is N x obsoletus (25 pg)
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Hello Ben- thank you for your comments on the plants mentioned in the previous page of this thread : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9612.msg260416#msg260416 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9612.msg260416#msg260416)
and also in this thread ( with photos): http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9781.msg260507#msg260507 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9781.msg260507#msg260507)
DNA results are of great interest to many.
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The question now to me is if N. x obsoletus actually is N. serotinus x N. elegans, or it's N. obsoletus x N. elegans because if it's just now, that we are starting to recognize N. serotinus and N. obsoletus as different species. Who knows if the hybrid was described with the correct parents or is a "retro-crossing" N. elegans/N. obsoletus like I think it happens in Balearic Islands. To me it is more probable a cross between N. obsoletus and N. elegans, because N. serotinus x N. elegans must have been in a very long time ago, and today the environmental circunbstaces have changed a lot, and in addition there is a new species N. obsoletus, that interferes in the original crosses N. serotinus x N. elegans.
I think this problem it still open, and It's neccesary to locate and redefine in the wild:
1. N. serotinus x N. elegans,
2. N. serotinus x N. obsoletus
3. N. elegans x obsoletus
Even better if the study will also cover both directions of nothovarieties :o :o
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Go to it, Rafa!