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Title: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Maggi Young on November 02, 2007, 10:46:10 AM

Novemeber starts a little late but with some interesting things... this Clematis makes huge amounts of growth each year  and gives lots of welcome flowers at this time. We just can't remember which it is!?

There are pix of similar Clematis elsewhere on the sitebut this didn't strike us as being exactly the same as those!
 So, Clematis sp. .....
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Close up of flowers.... each flower is about 1.5cm across and nearly 2.5 cms long
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Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Maggi Young on November 02, 2007, 11:00:45 AM

Hamamelis leaves make good yellow shades...
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Acer leaves on the ground between rhodos...

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Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Maggi Young on November 02, 2007, 11:11:05 AM

Acer griseum makes very pretty reds and salmon shades, here's a leaf on a piece of Aberdeen silver granite..
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Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: David Nicholson on November 02, 2007, 12:36:41 PM

Quote from: Maggi Young on November 02, 2007, 11:00:45 AM

Hamamelis leaves make good yellow shades...
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Nice Hamamelis-I was going to buy one yesterday but the price put me off-£30.00 :(

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Joakim B on November 02, 2007, 01:02:08 PM

Nice pics and lovely to have colour this time of the year Maggi. 8)

David do You not have sales in the Autumn in the UK?
We have sales in Sweden and we got a Magnolia korbus for 13€. (Less than 10£) :)
That was a great present for my father.

Kind regards
Joakim

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Maggi Young on November 02, 2007, 01:52:34 PM

I was lucky with the Hamamelis in a sale many years ago when a local nursery was changing hands and they were selling off their field grown stock.... at the time it was about £18 or £23  for a plant but I got three, a yellow and two reds, for £7.50,( around 11 euros!) Gave one of the reds away, now got two lovely shrubs that give me extra pleasure every time I look at them because they were such a bargain ! ;D
I know, I am SO Scottish  :-X ::) 8) :o

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: shelagh on November 02, 2007, 04:57:57 PM

Hi Maggi, could your Clematis be cirrhosa (you know the one with liver problems  ;D)?

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Paul T on November 02, 2007, 06:50:32 PM

Sheilah,

Maggi's clematis is different to cirrhosa as far as I can tell.  Both the leaves and flowers are wrong for that species, at least they're very different to everything we have under that name here in Aus).  I really like cirrhosa and grow a few different named cultivars.... none have the turned back tip or flower shape and they hang in the leaf axils rather than standing up on flowering stems together.  The leaves are much "thinner" than Maggi's, which I don't think would come down to climate?  I must say I rather like the look of Maggi's one, whichever it is.  Nice substance to the leaves.  Is it one of the herbaceous varieties Maggi?  Sort of looks like it could be that type of plant, but there are LOTS of species of Clematis I haven't yet been fortunate enough to see, so I could be completely wrong!!  ;D

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: David Nicholson on November 02, 2007, 07:32:11 PM

Quote from: Joakim B on November 02, 2007, 01:02:08 PM

Nice pics and lovely to have colour this time of the year Maggi. 8)

David do You not have sales in the Autumn in the UK?
We have sales in Sweden and we got a Magnolia korbus for 13€. (Less than 10£) :)
That was a great present for my father.

Kind regards
Joakim

We do have sales Joakim and, being a Yorkshireman (ie a Scotsman with his pockets sown up!) that is where I buy most of my plants.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: mark smyth on November 02, 2007, 07:50:56 PM

David B&Q has lots of them

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: David Nicholson on November 02, 2007, 08:22:47 PM

Quote from: mark smyth on November 02, 2007, 07:50:56 PM

David B&Q has lots of them

Mark, I resolved at the beginning of the year never to buy plants from B & Q or any of the Shed outlets and I am seriously considering adding Garden Centres to that List (apart from the occasional bag of compost). In future I want to buy all my plants from small nurseries. Not only will I get better plants, and on many occasions better prices, I will most certainly get a far better choice. If we don't use small nurseries many of them will go the wall and it will be too late. End of rant!!

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: ChrisB on November 02, 2007, 10:53:57 PM

Is Maggi's clematis C. rehderiana?  Has pale yellow flowers, fragrant?

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Paul T on November 03, 2007, 01:18:57 AM

Chris,

I'd wondered the same thing, except it didn't look as yellow as pics posted a little while ago by someone.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Brian Ellis on November 03, 2007, 02:45:29 PM

Someone here!  I don't think it is as the flowers on our rehderianna are much more in 'bunches', not only are they more yellow, but I think more delicate looking than this one.  The fragrance on rehderianna is reminiscent of primroses.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Rob on November 03, 2007, 03:29:51 PM

Some colour from the garden today

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Hans J on November 03, 2007, 05:41:06 PM

Here some flowers from my garden today :

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: zephirine on November 04, 2007, 09:57:20 AM

In a french garden these days...
(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/saxforcheapconfections021107.jpg) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/saxforcheapconfections021107.php).(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/camsasanquaearlypearly031107.jpg) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/camsasanquaearlypearly031107.php)
(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/camsasanquakanjiro021107.jpg) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/camsasanquakanjiro021107.php).(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/schyzostylismolliegould031107.jpg) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/schyzostylismolliegould031107.php)
(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/geraniumrozanne021107.jpg) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/geraniumrozanne021107.php).(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/viburnumcoterotie021107.jpg) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/viburnumcoterotie021107.php)
Zephirine



Edit by Maggi: Apologies that these photos are no longer available to view!   :P

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: ChrisB on November 04, 2007, 10:17:32 AM

Lovely camellias Zeph.  I have an autumn flowering seedling now, but no buds this year.  Can't wait to see what it produces!

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: zephirine on November 04, 2007, 11:24:42 AM

How patient you are, Chris! I have been told camellias grown from seed would bloom after 7 or 8 years...
Hope you will post the flower when it comes!
Zeph

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: shelagh on November 04, 2007, 01:57:20 PM

Not sure my photography rivals Zephirine but here is another lovely trio that Brian has brought in today. At the front is the dainty Sax. fortunei obtusocuneato, back right is Sax. Fortunei 'Conwy Snow' and back left is Sax. fortunei 'Chrystal Pink'.
It is a beautiful autumnal day here in sunny Lancashire so we are making the most of it and the gardener has already just slipped outside to see if anything needs doing.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Maggi Young on November 04, 2007, 02:04:03 PM

A warm welcome to the Forum, Zepherine, good to have you join us.

That is a fetching threesome, Shelagh.... we  really ought to grow more of these Sax. fortunei forms..... note to self..... ::)

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: ranunculus on November 04, 2007, 02:54:16 PM

Lovely image Shelagh.....by the way, did my e-mails reach you?

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: ChrisB on November 04, 2007, 03:53:01 PM

Hi Zeph, I'm not as patient as my mother thought I should be  ::) - it was given to me by a man who had grown it from seed he had pollinated himself - and had grown it for five years, so he's the patient one really.  Can't take the credit.  I don't think I have too long to wait.... hope not anyway!  The older I get, the more I want things to happen RIGHT NOW!

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage - Now- November 2007
Post by: mark smyth on November 04, 2007, 07:16:03 PM

working in the garden today I see many things are flowering out of season
Pulsatilla
Ranunculus ficaria
Primula vulgaris
Primula veris
Lonicera purpusii
Geranium 'Rozanne' still fgoing strong
Cyclamen coum
Ranunculus 'Hedgehog'
Phlox

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: zephirine on November 05, 2007, 03:28:40 AM

 :o I wish I could find such beauties as yours in the vicinity, Shelagh!!!
These dainty "Daimonjisu" are so lovely in the fall. I only grow 4 so far (rubrifolia, 'Black Ruby', 'Ruby Wedding' and 'Cheap Confections').
I just received 'Cotton Crochet' (a double white!!) and 'Crystal Pink' (oh my! what a foliage!) last week (...and immediately sent a request to Jurgen Peters' nursery in Hambourg to get more!).
They don't seem to be as popular in France as they deserve, alas, and several good nurseries I know won't carry them any more just because they don't sell!!!

Thank you Maggi! I'm glad to be among you too! :)

Chris, I have exactly the same symptoms as you! (I became the happiest grandmother in the world a week ago, but lovely Naëlle is born...in Stockholm! And I'll have to wait until November 23rd before I can hold her in my arms for good...and where is my patience gone? I want to hold her NOW!!!!! Lol!)
At the same time, four baby mums were born in my garden...well, opened their first blooms ever, I mean.
- Two light pink "twins" (I had initially thought they were the same plant, they were just born so close to one another!) : same colour, but one is double, fairly low, blooming at the top end, while its twin is slender, opens its secondary branches and has flowers from top to bottom! I called them Gwennaëlle and Gwenaëlle, of course...

(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/gwennaelle01110702.jpg) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/gwennaelle01110702.php).(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/gwenaelle01110702.jpg) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/gwenaelle01110702.php)
(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/gwennaelle01110703.jpg) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/gwennaelle01110703.php).(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/gwenaelle011107.jpg) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/gwenaelle011107.php)

- a warm pink semi-double with lovely pointed petals..I called it Aenaëlle...

(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/aenaelle01110702.jpg) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/aenaelle01110702.php)

- a lilac-pink single one..this one will be Lilanaëlle...wonder why?

(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/lilanaelle01110703.jpg) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/lilanaelle01110703.php)

Zephirine, the frustrated grandma!

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Maggi Young on November 05, 2007, 02:06:41 PM

Zephirine, many congratulations on the arrival of baby Naëlle   :D.... we will expect photos of her later in November... after you have had time for lots of cuddles with her! ;)
Thank goodness you have these other pretty babies in your garden to keep you amused in the meantime!

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: ChrisB on November 05, 2007, 08:57:44 PM

Took these pics yesterday afternoon.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: zephirine on November 07, 2007, 05:00:40 AM

Several astrantias put out fresh scapes since last month!
Lovely fall colours on Aceriphyllum rossii, a new plant for me this year.
And low-growing, dainty actaea japonica still blooming strong...
Zephirine

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Cris on November 07, 2007, 08:27:37 PM

Hi

Hans, very beatiful Oxalis you have. 
A few weeks ago i've planted a Oxalis sp. and sooner i've planted a O. Triangularis.  The first one has big leaves.

Zeph, first os all, congratulations for the birth of baby Naëlle.

Dis you have grown your Schizostylis from seed? It's very beatiful.
I've some germinated, but very small.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 07, 2007, 08:37:57 PM

Cris, Oxalis triangularis also has very large leaves, of an amazing red/black colour and arranged in triangular leaflets. I often think it should have a cultivar name of `D'Arth Vader' or `Stealth Bomber' or somthing similar. A well grown plant taken from a glasshouse (less so, from the garden) has a truly sinister look. The smallish pale pink flowers should be removed in my opinion as they totally spoil the dark and forbidding look.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Hans J on November 07, 2007, 08:56:15 PM

Hi Cris and Lesley ,

I grow too Oxalis triangulais - in two different treatments :
On pot is in our kitchen - watering the whole year - it is always growing and flowering .
The other pot I treat as decidous -in summer outside in the garden -and in winter dry in my greenhouse ( without leaves )
Both methods are succsessfull !

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Cris on November 07, 2007, 09:44:45 PM

From the Triangularias i've not seen yet the leaves, they were just planted a few days ago.
From the other, the leaves are beatiful, with two colors. By night they close, it's curious.
In the weekend I'll take a pic to show you.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: zephirine on November 08, 2007, 03:40:44 AM

Hi, Cris, and thank you!
No, schyzostylis 'Mollie Gould' is a named variety, especially pretty with its flaming veins.I found it in GB, and hope it will develop nicely, like the standard S. coccinea (salmon red, pink and white) that I already grow. And if by chance they'd develop seedlings, that would be welcome indeed!
The "white" one is not exactly white, in fact, as you can see from the picture below (but it looks white when you look at the clump). I wonder if there is a true white one.

I never tried to sow them myself. Could you tell me how you proceed? 

Schyzostylis are sometimes sold here as aquatic plants, or rather pond border plants, which I find rather surprising!
Zephirine

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Gerdk on November 08, 2007, 06:36:59 AM

One week in Andalucia:
After a sufficient amount of rain and a drop of temperatures the southern tip of Spain experiences something what seems like a second spring - the colour green appears and a lot of geophytes begin to flower. It was my aim to see the autumnal flowering daffodils and I was not disappointed - I found nearly all (with the exception of N. x perezlarae and N. elegans, the last one a recent discovery on the peninsula). So, here are some of the pics I made during the end of October and the beginning of November.

 1-3  Narcissus miniatus
 4     fruits of the wild olive - Olea europaea
 5     Antirrhinum species
 6     Clematis cirrhosa
 7     Aristolochia baetica
 8     Quercus rotundifolia
 9     Narcissus serotinus
10    Narcissus serotinus with Pieris

Gerd

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Gerdk on November 08, 2007, 06:48:59 AM

The next ones:

 1.+2.  Colchicum species
 3.       Iris foetidissima
 4.       Leucojum autumnale
 5.       Mandragora autumnalis
 6.       Narcissus cavanillesia (humilis)
 7.       Scilla autumnalis - small and late form
 8.       Arcos de la Frontera
9.+10. Ranunculus bullatus 

Gerd   

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: zephirine on November 08, 2007, 06:58:16 AM

Lovely plants indeed, Gerd!
Is there any autumn-flowering narcissus species which would be hardy to USDA zone 7, max 8? I'd love to grow some!
Thank you for the report, anyway!
Zephirine

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Gerdk on November 08, 2007, 07:08:54 AM

Cont.

 1.        Landspape near Sevilla
 2.- 4.   Bolonia near Tarifa with its famous ruins and large dune
 5.        Asteriscus maritimus
 6.+7.   Narcissus viridiflorus
 9.+10.  Viola arborescens (with a regular second flush in autumn)

Gerd   

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Gerdk on November 08, 2007, 07:12:11 AM

The rest

The Santuario de Nuestra Senora de la Luz near Tarifa,
outside and the patio inside

Gerd

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: ranunculus on November 08, 2007, 07:22:21 AM

Many thanks Gerd....a super thread.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Thomas Huber on November 08, 2007, 07:53:04 AM

Welcome back Gerd!

Looks like you had a wonderful trip!!
Any crocus-photos?

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Brian Ellis on November 08, 2007, 09:18:05 AM

Great photos Gerd, thanks for posting them.

Zepherine

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Schyzostylis are sometimes sold here as aquatic plants, or rather pond border plants, which I find rather surprising!

I have to agree, however we had a talk from Alan Kennedy a National Collection holder, who said virtually the same thing ie they like a damp situation.  I have noticed since then that the plants in the cooler, damper conditions do perform better than those in the full sun in my dry garden.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: mark smyth on November 08, 2007, 09:30:57 AM

I have the Ranunculus, ex Anthony, just coming in to growth. I thought it had died

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 08, 2007, 09:45:00 AM

I've seen Schyzostylis growing very succesfully in a shallow pond (10 cm deep).

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Paul T on November 08, 2007, 11:22:45 AM

Gerd,

Love those unusual autumn Narcissus.  Lovely to see them all "together" in one place to compare.  The Mandragora looks fascinating as well.  How big are the flowers?  I've heard of the genus but never read anything specific about it and have no idea whether your pic shows large flowers or something where the whole plant is a couple of inches across?  Lovely flowers and great colour, whatever size it is.  Thanks for taking the time to post the pics.  :) 8)

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Cris on November 08, 2007, 01:20:53 PM

Zeph, I've also read somewere that Schizostylis do like much water.
My seedling were not very well because i was afraid to give them water, but since then, they look great.
For the sowing, in a little pot, I've sown some, covered them with a bit of substrat. A few weeks later (maybe two) they started germinating.
I know that it will take some time to can see the flowers, but i'm very lucky to have these seeds.

Gerdk, it is great to see this flowers in nature. Sometimes I go to see some.
I've already seen Scilla Autumnalis, Narcisus, and have some Leucojum Autumnale. By now, its growing a new flower and some seed pods are maturing.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: ChrisB on November 08, 2007, 06:50:21 PM

My schizostylis do well in very sandy, dry, free draining soil.  If they like water, I'd hate to think how they would spread in a shallow pond because in these conditions they don't hold back on travelling.  They bulk up in no time, taking up a lot of my valuable space, so I'm forever pulling them out and potting them up.  Have pink red and white forms.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Gerdk on November 08, 2007, 07:16:02 PM

Quote from: zephirine on November 08, 2007, 06:58:16 AM

Lovely plants indeed, Gerd!
Is there any autumn-flowering narcissus species which would be hardy to USDA zone 7, max 8? I'd love to grow some!
Thank you for the report, anyway!
Zephirine

Thank you Zephirine,
No, I don't believe that you can grow any of the autumn-flowering daffs in your zone. The cold-resistance is not the only problem - all these plants need a dry and hot summer rest.

Gerd

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Gerdk on November 08, 2007, 07:32:40 PM

Quote from: Thomas Huber on November 08, 2007, 07:53:04 AM

Welcome back Gerd!

Looks like you had a wonderful trip!!
Any crocus-photos?

Thomas,
You are right, it was a successful and nice journey, one week of sunshine and temperatures above 20 ° C - but,  sitting alone in a hotel room after sunset only in company of ' una botella de cerveza ' is something which I would not like to repeat too often.
Sorry, this year I found no flowering crocus - look at the Mandragora pics.  :)

Gerd

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Gerdk on November 08, 2007, 07:51:27 PM

Quote from: tyerman on November 08, 2007, 11:22:45 AM

Gerd,

Love those unusual autumn Narcissus.  Lovely to see them all "together" in one place to compare.  The Mandragora looks fascinating as well.  How big are the flowers?  I've heard of the genus but never read anything specific about it and have no idea whether your pic shows large flowers or something where the whole plant is a couple of inches across?  Lovely flowers and great colour, whatever size it is.  Thanks for taking the time to post the pics.  :) 8)

Paul,
Thank you. A single flower of the Mandragora is about the size of an autumnal flowering Crocus, C. banaticus for instance. Unfortunately  the leaves are comparatively large and not very showy. Not all plants flower leafless and I found some species with a diameter of more than 40 cm.
Nevertheless, I believe in your climate it will be worth to grow it outside.

Gerd

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Maggi Young on November 08, 2007, 07:54:33 PM

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sitting alone in a hotel room after sunset only in company of ' una botella de cerveza ' is something which I would not like to repeat too often.

You should have told us you were going, Gerd, surely one of us would have come with you? ;) :D
Such flowers to see and the bottle to share..... ::)

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 08, 2007, 07:56:47 PM

Add my thanks as well Gerd, for all these lovely images. I really love those autumn-flowering Narcissus species. Hopefully some seed will become available through the seedlists, sometime. The Ranunculus is a beauty too but I am especially pleased to see the Mandrake as I was very recently able to buy a plant (a month ago, at out Trillium weekend) of that species. Mine is a bit small to flower yet but maybe next autumn. The flowers look gorgeous.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Gerdk on November 08, 2007, 07:58:09 PM

Quote from: Cris on November 08, 2007, 01:20:53 PM

Gerdk, it is great to see this flowers in nature. Sometimes I go to see some.
I've already seen Scilla Autumnalis, Narcisus, and have some Leucojum Autumnale. By now, its growing a new flower and some seed pods are maturing.

Cris, I agree - much better to see them in nature than in a pot. I am curious, which of the autumn flowering Narcissus species did you see and in which region?


Thanks for the nice comments of the others.

Gerd
Gerd

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 08, 2007, 08:24:37 PM

Paul, the Mandrake (Mandragora officinalis syn. officinarum) is a medicinal herb, the root (says legend) shaped like a man. Gerard in his Herball says (in effect) that this is rubbish and the root is just like a carrot's or parsnip's, sometimes divided. Legend also says that the mandrake must be pulled out be a dog which will shriek madly (this is, of course, why I wanted a plant), because if a man pulls it, he will die soon after. I'd love to include here, Gerard's comments on that - wonderfully scathing - but there's too much for this thread. Find the Herball if you don't have it already and read it. Very salutory.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Paul T on November 08, 2007, 10:38:50 PM

Lesley,

Yeah, that is sort of what I knew about it, nothing much more (or even what it looked like).  Apparently useful in witchcraft too, if you're into that sort of thing!  ;D

Gerd,

Thanks for the info.  I'll keep it in mind.  8)

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: zephirine on November 09, 2007, 10:32:39 AM

Lovely Selaginella involvens in its fall cloak of iridescent olive green...
...and Viburnum prunifolium in its red suit : this particular shade of red is called : "10-days-old-grand-daughter-protesting-against-having-a-bath"  ;D

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 09, 2007, 11:36:39 AM

Gerd, you are so lucky to be able to see these plants flowering. I have an ambition to see Narcissus viridiflorus flowering in the wild, but alas our Autumn holiday is usually the end of the first or second week of October which is a wee bitty early? My bulbs in the greenhouse are only now just starting to show shoots. Do you have a pic of the viridiflorus habitat?

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: SueG on November 09, 2007, 02:44:21 PM

I believe that all parts of mandrake are full of alkanoids, which may be one of the reasons why witches thought they could fly if they used mandrake in their potions and such like. May also be an underlying reason for the belief that if you pulled one up you'd die.

Sue

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 09, 2007, 02:49:52 PM

I've seen Mandrake in flower in Spain. I think the last thing I'd do is pull one up ::)

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Maggi Young on November 09, 2007, 02:55:33 PM

I thought the blue colour of the Mandragora flowers was pretty... the spring types we have ( M. officinarum) are rather subdued and while I am fond of browny /black/ greenish flowers, I was taken by the thought of this rather good blue.

Oh, yes, and have I told you I adore narcissus? ::)

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Gerdk on November 09, 2007, 06:50:23 PM

Quote from: adarby on November 09, 2007, 11:36:39 AM

Gerd, you are so lucky to be able to see these plants flowering. I have an ambition to see Narcissus viridiflorus flowering in the wild, but alas our Autumn holiday is usually the end of the first or second week of October which is a wee bitty early? My bulbs in the greenhouse are only now just starting to show shoots. Do you have a pic of the viridiflorus habitat?

Anthony,
Here are two photos of one of the few places where I saw N. viridiflorus.
Most sites are rather disappointing. The pics shown were made within an
'urbanización' in 2006 and it seems the plants there are not safe for the future. Another place is 50 cm from the rim of a small road and just 1 m beside a depot with containers for litter - not very romantic.
Please tell me when your plants flower and I would be glad if you'll let me know your cultivation method  for this difficult daffodil.

Gerd

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Rafa on November 09, 2007, 08:42:27 PM

This is Spain, dear friends...

Thank you Gerd for show this pictures.

This problem starting on the Spanish coast and Islands, but now every little village has been the target of the "ethically retired" people who basically make their high level living from destroying the environment.

In my Region (Castilla León) there are many projects in villages less than 100 inhabitants which will soon increase in 15 hundred ihabitants. ¿How, you might wonder? Easy:
1. Take a little village where only old age pensioners live and their heirs will sell you all the fields very cheap.
2. Get in touch with the "right people" from the administration, and there you are!!.

The people encharged of the environment will be precisely the ones who help them to avoid any legal obstacle.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Maggi Young on November 09, 2007, 08:50:13 PM

It is a terrible thing that is happening to ruin your beautiful country, Rafa. I must say that it must be that all the people from UK and others who are so keen to find a holiday home or even to retire to Spain are often the cause of these troubles. We are told that there is protection here for our plants and birds and animals, which is often not true. And anyway, in most of our country we have so little left now many  have given up.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Mick McLoughlin on November 09, 2007, 08:51:38 PM

Mandrake root featured in th film`Pan`s Labyrinth` also included a time release footage of a crocus opening. I remember watching it at the cinema and thinking `I wonder what species that is?`
That`s when you`ve got the bug I suppose.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Rafa on November 09, 2007, 09:23:48 PM

Little pdf about N. viridiflorus, is in spanish, sorry. What a joke they don't menthioned any illegal urbanistic developpment as a pricipal threats, ¿why?

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 09, 2007, 10:59:55 PM

Thanks Gerd and Rafa. It is amazing what these little plants have to put up with? :( I will certainly let you know how my bulbs do. I have viridiflorus from three sources (CGF, PC and Pottertons), but they never do as well as I would like. :-\

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 09, 2007, 11:17:27 PM

Quote from: mark smyth on November 08, 2007, 09:30:57 AM

I have the Ranunculus [bullatus], ex Anthony, just coming in to growth. I thought it had died

Mine are looking good too Mark, but no flowers so far.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: annew on November 10, 2007, 10:07:53 PM

This is a delightful little aster that I planted on the edge of one of my herbaceous beds, but would be much better on the rock garden. It hugs the ground closely, and so far has only made a mat about 40cm across. I'm trying to remember if it dies back in the winter but the little grey cells are not very willing. The flowers are only about 5mm across, but very numerous. Aster 'Snow Flurry'.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Mick McLoughlin on November 11, 2007, 09:14:38 PM

A couple of flowers from this weekend:
First an out of season Gold Laced Polyanthus.
Crocus goulymii and a small Cyclamen intaminatum.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 11, 2007, 10:14:45 PM

Talking of flowering our of season. My Crinodendron hookerianum never flowers well in the spring, but this past month has been great!

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: mark smyth on November 11, 2007, 11:29:58 PM

Anthony my Ranunculus has a flower bud

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 12, 2007, 09:04:52 AM

Mark, where are you growing your Rb?

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Gerdk on November 12, 2007, 12:28:36 PM

Yesterday I reported Dieter Zschummel from Wallendorf about Mandragora autumnalis from S. Spain.

He sent me this pic of  M. acaulis which he photographed in Yunnan/China.
Strange plant, isn't it.

Gerd

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 12, 2007, 12:34:31 PM

Ooooooh! 8) :o

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Cris on November 12, 2007, 02:00:33 PM

Gerd, the Narcisus I've seen here are the N. Papyraceus. It was last year and I don't remember if it was in this date ou later. We have also the little N.Bulbocodium, I like it very much.

Kindly
Cris

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: David Shaw on November 12, 2007, 03:16:40 PM

That Mandragon is something rather special.
I suppose that the problem with trying to cultivate it is that you might die every time you re-potted it?

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Gerdk on November 12, 2007, 05:26:27 PM

Quote from: Cris on November 12, 2007, 02:00:33 PM

Gerd, the Narcisus I've seen here are the N. Papyraceus. It was last year and I don't remember if it was in this date ou later. We have also the little N.Bulbocodium, I like it very much.

Kindly
Cris

Thank you Cris. Please make some pictures when you see these daffodils again.
N. papyraceus will flower soon, the bulbocodiums in spring.

Gerd

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Gerdk on November 12, 2007, 05:35:29 PM

Quote from: David Shaw on November 12, 2007, 03:16:40 PM

That Mandragon is something rather special.
I suppose that the problem with trying to cultivate it is that you might die every time you re-potted it?

David,
There is no need to re-pot, you can grow this species outside. Dieter Zschummel told me the plant is hardy.
If you intend to transplant the species, no problem let a dog pull it out of the earth
(or --- ask your mother in law to do the job).  ;) ;) ;)

Gerd

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 12, 2007, 09:21:27 PM

That Mandragora is a real stunner. But you're a bit tough on mothers-in-law Gerd. I got on very well with mine, better than with my husband, in the finish. :'(

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Maggi Young on November 12, 2007, 09:26:45 PM

Ian has accused me of pulling up a mandrake plant in our garden.... I deny this absolutely.... and it seems, since I am still alive and neither dead nor deafened, I must be telling the truth.... anyway, why would I want to pull it up, I like the plant and I would LOVE to have Mandragora caulescens... it is wonderful... who could resist those mysterious black flowers?

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Paul T on November 12, 2007, 11:29:33 PM

Mandragora with black flowers...... even better.  Now I want one!!  ;D  Still quite like that blue one too of course!!  ::)

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Gerdk on November 13, 2007, 06:31:14 AM

Lesley,
You are right, there are beautiful mother-in-laws, I did love my own one also. But - from a male point of view - daughters are superior.

There is so much written about Mandragora. When I googled for a source for the Chinese plant I found this:

In Kairo (Egypt) mandragora is recommended as an aphrodisac for just-married couples which want to have a lot of sons

Angelika Prentner (2005)   Bewusstseinverändernde Pflanzen von A - Z
( plants which change your mind)

What a chance for some of us! Not for me, I already have 3 sons.

Gerd

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Cris on November 13, 2007, 01:26:11 PM

Gerd, now is the time of blooming?
I must go search them. they have a perfum..uhhhmmm

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: henkw on November 14, 2007, 07:35:16 PM

Hallo everybody,

Here some Oxalis that are flowering now!

The last yellow oxalis I do not know how it is called, his leaves are a bit waxy and succelent like.

Perhaps someone knows the name for me.

Henk Westerhof

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: mark smyth on November 14, 2007, 09:20:50 PM

O. pentaphylla and the last one are lovely

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Rafa on November 14, 2007, 09:34:12 PM

Very beautiful Oxalis plants, and very special Mandragora Gerd, very differnet from iberic one.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Rafa on November 14, 2007, 09:43:19 PM

Hola Cristina, mucho gusto en saludarte por aqui, por fín te has animado!!

I did't know Narcissus papyraceus was so common in Portugal, I just know 2  locations.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 15, 2007, 08:08:06 AM

Henk,
I think your yellow Oxalis could be O. chrysantha

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Cris on November 15, 2007, 01:38:35 PM

Rafa, es verdad, por fin me he animado a entrar. Y me está gustando mucho. :)
I don't know if they're wild or escaped from gardens, but they're far from houses.
Near them I've also seen Asphodellus and a kind of Scilla, with a large leave and inside the little blue flowers. And also som Romuleas, lilac color.


Gerd, I post two pics os this Narcisus, they're took last year by february.

I must go there sooner to take some pics of the place, then I'll show it.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Gerdk on November 15, 2007, 09:01:31 PM

Quote from: Cris on November 15, 2007, 01:38:35 PM

Gerd, I post two pics os this Narcisus, they're took last year by february.
I must go there sooner to take some pics of the place, then I'll show it.

Estupendo! Muchas gracias.

Gerd

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Paul T on November 18, 2007, 01:17:10 AM

Henk,

In under all those leaves on your yellow Oxalis, is there a thickened stem?  It looks identical to a small plant of Oxalis carnosa, before it develops the caudiciforme "trunk".  I don't know O. chrysantha so can't comment on differences between these two species.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 18, 2007, 04:53:46 PM

This is what I have as Oxalis chrysantha

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Gerdk on November 22, 2007, 03:26:43 PM

Here are some pics from today, made during a sunny spell around noon.

1. Cyclamen cyprium with purple plain leaves - sorry, the picture does not show
       the true color
2. Cyclamen (coum) elegans with silver leaves
3. Cyclamen elegans as normal
4. Narcissus romieuxii - an early flowering type

Gerd

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 22, 2007, 04:00:30 PM

Nice pix Gerd, very good leaf forms on those Cyclamen !

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: henkw on November 22, 2007, 09:35:32 PM

Dear Tyerman

It has a thicken stem. I think you are right it looks indeed like Oxalis carnosa. ;D

Thanks Henk Westerhof

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 23, 2007, 10:15:09 AM

Gerd, that silver leaf form of Cyclamen elegans is lovely and to have a 'coum' flowering in November must be very special. :) :o Does it come true from seed and will you have any available?

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Paul T on November 23, 2007, 11:49:21 AM

Gerd,

Love that purple leaf form of cyprium, and that silver leaf elegans has a great Wow factor doesn't it?

Henk,

Glad to be of help.  For reference, I'm actually Paul (is in the signature at the end of each of my messages).  The other is my last name.  ;D

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Gerdk on November 23, 2007, 02:29:53 PM

Quote from: adarby on November 23, 2007, 10:15:09 AM

Gerd, that silver leaf form of Cyclamen elegans is lovely and to have a 'coum' flowering in November must be very special. :) :o Does it come true from seed and will you have any available?

Anthony,
Unfortunately my Cyclamen elegans (only 2) do not set seed in the manner of 'normal' Cyclamen coum. I must confess that I did not pay much attention to these plants and never found out what are the reasons for the poor seedset.
I'll take care now and if I receive some seeds it will be no problem to send you some. The silver-leaved plant was a Manfred Koenen-collection from Iran.
Manfred Koenen (Galanthus koenenianus) worked at the Botanical Garden of Bonn.

Luc and Paul,
Thanks for the compliments, especially the purple C. cyprium was a surprise for me too.

Gerd

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 23, 2007, 03:39:15 PM

Gosh, what a pedigree for a cyclamen. 8) I'd be delighted and honoured to try it should you succeed.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: derekb on November 23, 2007, 07:08:28 PM

Gerd Is Manfred still alive I met him several times when he was over here visiting my friend Erna Franks they used to go plant hunting together they were the ones who found the White Cyclamen graecum.
Derek

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 24, 2007, 12:41:52 AM

Quote from: tyerman on November 23, 2007, 11:49:21 AM

  For reference, I'm actually Paul (is in the signature at the end of each of my messages).  The other is my last name.  ;D

Well Paul, better Tyerman than tyre man - as in the Michelin man ;D

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Paul T on November 24, 2007, 05:04:04 AM

I did have a nickname of "Mich" at one point in university, in reference to exactly that.  The other nicknames I had during school were much nastier, as school usually is of course.  I always felt that if school years are the best years of your life then I might as well have topped myself as soon as I finished, because if those were the best then I was in REAL trouble.  Uni in Canberra however was a much loved blessing after my schooling in a small rural town!!  :o

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Gerdk on November 24, 2007, 11:29:07 AM

Quote from: derekb on November 23, 2007, 07:08:28 PM

Gerd Is Manfred still alive I met him several times when he was over here visiting my friend Erna Franks they used to go plant hunting together they were the ones who found the White Cyclamen graecum.
Derek

Derek,
Sorry, I don't know him personally. I only know he retired and I believe he is alive, at least I was not told the reverse.

Gerd

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Peter Korn, Sweden on November 24, 2007, 08:38:13 PM

One of the Junos are a little to early this year. But still very nice.
It´s amazing how many plants there is room for in a green house.
Swedish meat balls for dinner.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Peter Korn, Sweden on November 24, 2007, 08:40:16 PM

Sorry, wrong pictures.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: mark smyth on November 25, 2007, 11:47:56 AM

Iris looks great and the bulb house. Are Swedish meat balls special?

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 25, 2007, 07:30:16 PM

An exquisite juno Peter. Is it close to I. rosenbachiana or perhaps persica? I'm glad you showed the two shots. And what a wonderful bulb house! So full of treasures. I hope we can see many more of them as they flower.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Paul T on November 25, 2007, 10:07:17 PM

Wonderful colouration to that juno iris.  Beautiful!!

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: shelagh on November 26, 2007, 09:35:38 AM

Another miserable day here so just one little jewel from the garden to bring a smile Sax. fortunei 'Mount Naachi'.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Anthony Darby on November 26, 2007, 10:49:36 AM

You can get Swedish meatballs in Somerfield, Tescos and Ikea etc. We have them on occasion.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Thomas Huber on November 26, 2007, 12:41:37 PM

I also know them from IKEA, but I'm sure, Peter's meatballs are much better than these  ;)

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 26, 2007, 08:52:57 PM

Peter's Swedish meatballs are SWEDISH Swedish meatballs! :P

A quick note Thomas, your seeds arrived yesterday. They look great, many thanks.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 27, 2007, 06:25:08 AM

Having been a very happy recipient of Peter's hospitality and cooking, I can assure you that his food would be MUCH better than anything bought in a shop!!!!
cheers
fermi

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: zephirine on November 28, 2007, 04:08:03 PM

Quote from: fermides on November 27, 2007, 06:25:08 AM

I can assure you that his food would be MUCH better than anything bought in a shop!!!!

That doesn't look to ME as a very difficult goal to achieve...
Zephirine, active member of the Anti-Meatballs League, just returned from Stockholm where DS, DDIL and newly-born DGD live! ;D

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Peter Korn, Sweden on November 30, 2007, 04:00:13 PM

Another Juno has just started to flower. I don´t know what species.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 30, 2007, 04:30:17 PM

Great looking Juno Peter - but shouldn't you hang up a calendar in front of it - the poor thing is even flowering in the wrong year... ;D

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Peter Korn, Sweden on November 30, 2007, 04:39:59 PM

No. It´s a spring flower so the winter must have passed!!! We have had a few cm snow and -8C and I think that is enough.

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 01, 2007, 08:40:56 PM

What a stunning iris! especially if the pic is true to colour; black, grey, white and gold. How cool is that!!

Title: Re: Flowers and foliage- Now- November 2007
Post by: Paul T on December 01, 2007, 09:06:39 PM

Wonderful colouration, with that edging effect to every petal etc.  Beautiful!!