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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Lesley Cox on March 01, 2012, 02:00:00 AM
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This is the only contribution I am likely to make to this brand new thread, but, hey, I got there before anyone else. ;D
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Without any pic?
It´s not a good begin.
I hope march will bring us a lot of galanthus flowers to show.
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Too early for Galanthus peshmenii in our garden!
;D
cheers
fermi
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Some pics then....
Fee Clochette
Moonlight
Un-named
Triple
edit by maggi to add photo file names
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Fee Clochette doesn't look like the one in Gunthers book Steve, is it still settling in?
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Fee Clochette doesn't look like the one in Gunthers book Steve, is it still settling in?
i agree,in the book it is sooooooooo lovely,big,round,fat and now it is" just" beautiful
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And forgot to say the unnamed one is also very much my taste
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Fee doesnt look like the photo I have ??? http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20nivalis%20Fee%20Clochette.html (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20nivalis%20Fee%20Clochette.html)
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I'll ask the owner to check.
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Loving the unnamed one Steve. 8)
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Really love the unnamed too!
Lina.
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another glorious day!
Armine
Baylham
Bitton
Doncasters Double Charmer
Ikariae
Rizehensis
two unknowns, first labeled as Pusey Green Tip but looks nothing like the others I have, any suggestions? and a weird spikey thing I think was given to me as Cockatoo?
Warham
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A few more to add to the March thread. The warm weather really has started to take its toll on the snowdrops now. Hopefully the later virescent varieties won't be too far behind.
1. Celia Sawyer
2. Moortown showing the very intense green inner nicely in the warm weather
3. Ruby Baker still shy of opening fully despite the direct sun on her for three days.
4 and 5. Walker, Canada. This came from North Green Snowdrops two years ago and seems to be doing well.
David
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That's interesting David, I saw a lovely little snowdrop at the National Collection holders labelled 'Walker, Canada' which didn't look like that. I am sure yours will be correct so will have to let her know she has been given something else!
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Hi Brian,
I've looked up the description in the 2007 North Green catalogue and the text is as follows:
'Walker, Canada, there is a touch of mystery about this rather special snowdrop from the garden of the late Richard Nutt. The well proportioned flower has an X-shaped mark on the inner segment curiously broader towards the long, narrow, conical ovary. The flower is born above placate leaves on a short scape which slowly lengthens as the season progresses, resulting in a large, distinct and eye catching snowdrop. This is, in our opinion, the best snowdrop inherited from the Richard Nutt legacy from his garden at Great Barfield and has been very much admired by all his friends. A nearby faded and barely legible label with the name 'Walker, Canada' is all that is known about this lovely snowdrop.
It does look as if the photos shown are in keeping with the catalogue description. That's not to say that it is correct but at least my photo matches the description given.
David
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Without any pic?
It´s not a good begin.
I hope march will bring us a lot of galanthus flowers to show.
Maybe I'll show reginae-olgae when it comes up Hagen. Nearest I have at present is Acis autumnalis. :)
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Yes, I looked it up too before I sent her an email David, I'm sure it's something as simple as a mix up somewhere in the labelling and she will sort it out.
Indeed it was, an error in labelling which she is going to rectify
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Some pictures from our visit to the National Collection of Margaret MacLennan in Essex.
1. G ‘Eliot Hodgkin’
2. G ‘Falkland House’
3. G ‘Melanie Broughton’
4. G ‘The Pearl’
5. G ‘Two Eyes’
6. G ‘Armine’
7. Left to right: Janet Hammond, Margaret MacLennan, Jane-Ann Walton, Brian Ellis
8. Margaret MacLennan and Brian Ellis
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A few more from our visit to the National Collection of Margaret MacLennan in Essex.
1. G ‘Kite’
2. G 'Mighty Atom ex Pottertons'
3. G ‘Ransom’s Dwarf’
4. G 'Squire Burroughs'
5. G ‘Oliver-Wyatt's-Green’
6. G 'Seagull'
7. Now what’s in here?
8. Even more
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I always enjoy seeing the unusual snowdrop variants that pop up over there in your woodlands and gardens; with the modest patches that I have, I never thought anything striking would show up in my garden, but what do you think of this? In a clump of rizehensis, one of the bulbs has two flowering stalks (I checked carefully to make sure both stalks are arising from the same sheath). One of the two is typical rizehensis, but the other is larger in all its parts, and the flower is more open; it's more open because it has four outer petals, and six inners. I realize the possibility of this recurring next year is about nil, but it still seems interesting to me. Small bulbs from balmier climates get quite a shock when they pop up in my garden in the middle of Iowa, so I suppose about anything can happen.
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David - No wonder Brian's head was spinning. Those frames are enough to spark vertigo. The numbers are staggering.
johnw
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I particularly like that first rizehensis Don. Well done.
johnw
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:o at those frames, looks like they're all in pots? lattice packed together or normal?
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This is the only contribution I am likely to make to this brand new thread, but, hey, I got there before anyone else. ;D
I knew you couldn't resist for the whole of march. ;D
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:o at those frames, looks like they're all in pots? lattice packed together or normal?
They are all lattice pots sunk in sand.
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Correction to yesterday's post; this is Envy, not Fee Clochette. Both uncommon at present. Also a nice patch of Alburgh Claw and two others.
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Looks like ' Alburghs Claw' has a bad hair day ;). (I like it)
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Correction to yesterday's post; this is Envy, not Fee Clochette.
Phew, thought I'd got the wrong thing!
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As a collection holder does Margaret have an official open day?
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Thanks for the pictures of Margarets garden. Does she have her snowdrops thrive in the boxes before she puts them in the garden? It is a great way, she can cover the boxes and keep nf out.
Lina.
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No Mark, very sensibly there is not an official open day as she is open by appointment, personalised tours are much more interesting:
http://www.nccpg.com/National-Collections/Collection-Results.aspx?id=1052
Lina, she has a very efficient operation! You are quite correct, the cold frames hold all the chips as they grow on, covers keep the nf out and there are also heavy weather covers too. They have a reasonably sized garden of 7 acres (2.8 hectares) so are creating beds where the mature bulbs can be planted in clumps and duly admired ;D
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Thank you, Brian.
Two years ago we met Margaret in Kalmthout, Belgium. It was nice talking to her and she invited us to visit her garden. It is a pity, I did not yet visit England in this time of year. Hopefully next year.
Lina.
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You won't regret it if you do Lina :D
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Great photos as usual David, thanks for taking the time to post them. What an amazing collection of snowdrops, and the cold frames photos had me drooling, so many different plants in one area :P
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:o at those frames, looks like they're all in pots? lattice packed together or normal?
They are all lattice pots sunk in sand.
thanks David, will have to try and visit her garden ext year.
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Some more snowdrops from my garden. The names are under the photos. Carolyn
G. 'Beth Chatto'
G. 'Lady Beatrix Stanley'
G. 'Ophelia'
G. 'Straffan'
G. 'Wendy's Gold'
(Edit by maggi to add photo names so they can be pickedup by the search facility. )
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Lovely photos Carolyn, they obviously enjoy your conditions.
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Flowering here after a very cold February :
Galanthus 'Cowhouse Green'
Galanthus 'Diggory'
Galanthus 'Wilhelm Bauer'
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Very beautiful photographs, Carolyn and Kris.
Flowering for the first time in my garden is Galanthus nivalis 'Springwood Park'. A really huge new poculiform one, which I got last year from Monksilver Nursery. Does anybody know more about it, maybe who found it, or where and what is Springwood Park?
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There is an old estate called Springwood Park, near Kelso in the borders of Scotland, Thomas.... that might be a likely place to have found a good snowdrop. ??? :-\
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Thank you, Maggi. Now I have at least an idea, where it might hail from. It was much admired at my snowdrop lunch last Sunday, and I had to say the name Springwood Park so often ... :-)
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Here's another Pacific Northwest Galanthus foundling: G. elwesii ssp. elwesii 'Canadian Winter'. From Barbara Flynn's garden and her find. It's quite robust and tall - about 13 inches. It was suggested it be named by a visiting UK noted Galantho-xpert about ten years ago. So it was and has been passed around. It was in full bloom last week.
Jim
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Thank you, Maggi. Now I have at least an idea, where it might hail from. It was much admired at my snowdrop lunch last Sunday, and I had to say the name Springwood Park so often ... :-)
Thomas, I believe Forumist Carole Smith was with Joe Sharman when he found 'Springwood Park' and I know they collected together in the Scottish borders.... I expect Carole will be able to tell you more. The plant was mentioned in John Finch's Galanthus Blog last year.
edit to add links : http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6670.msg188510#msg188510 - John calls the plant one of Carole's " finds"
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6670.msg188562#msg188562 - Carole corrects him , saying it was found with Joe S.
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Thank you so much, Maggi. So it was Joe himself, who found it, and I have a little story to tell for visitors :)
Bunch seems to have been found on the same trip.
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Is this the kind of thing Pusey Greentips is supposed to do? Is it one of those that has an immature phase?
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Thank you so much, Maggi. So it was Joe himself, who found it, and I have a little story to tell for visitors :)
Bunch seems to have been found on the same trip.
Well done Maggi and Thomas. The poculiform ex. Jedburgh recently shown by Brian and David was also found on the same trip with Joe, nine years ago now, hence a good size clump.
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The poculiform ex. Jedburgh recently shown by Brian and David was also found on the same trip with Joe, nine years ago now, hence a good size clump.
I haven't got long to wait then ;D 8) ;D
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Thank you so much, Maggi. So it was Joe himself, who found it, and I have a little story to tell for visitors :)
Bunch seems to have been found on the same trip.
Well done Maggi and Thomas. The poculiform ex. Jedburgh recently shown by Brian and David was also found on the same trip with Joe, nine years ago now, hence a good size clump.
Thank you, Carole, keeping us up to date and on the right track :-* :-*
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I dont visit old woodlands all the time. But this time i was invited to have a look in a old applegarden, where are for at least 60 years snowdrops are growing. Here are some pics for a impression.
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Saved the best for the last ;D A clump of tall Blonde Inge lookalike's next to another clump of normal ones! I did not expect to find anything different but when we had some closer looks i found these.
Like my late father used to say to me"You can catch fish with a pair of trousers".
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Gerard, it's time you got a new car!
And haven't those trees been pruned a bit too hard? ;D
Nice 'drops though.
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Where we had a look they are going to plant cherrytrees. They cut down the old windfencetrees. That car is stuck there for at least 15 years, it has been from the owners late father. I do have a automaticgear car, but with a 6,3 liter v8 engine, car is made in the UK!
Oops and i forgot the last car i bought a 52 coupe de ville twice the size of that green Daf/Volvo ;D
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That's interesting... .will cherries grow well there? :-\
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For the petrolheads more pics of the car that is given back to nature!
The soil is fantastic over there! Its almost black from all the organic material in it! Everything will grow there besides Rhodos ;D
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Does anyone know a tiny elwesii that flowers now/late? It has very small leaves 6cm x 1.5cm and a 9cm scape. The inner mark is two tiny dots.
It was labelled Rowallane which is a mistake
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Another poculiform. How will we tell them all apart, lovely as they are?
Maybe I should put some green, yellow, or double flower pollen on it. . . .
Galanthus nivalis 'Poculi-Perfect'.
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I dont grow any pocs because I cant tell them apart. I found a population of them last year but just left them in place. Could have been the first Irish poc.
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I am sure this is a lost label snowdrop and would hope someone can give it a name..
The pot has 3 identical flowers
I have shown the inner mark taken with and without flash
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I am sure this is a lost label snowdrop and would hope someone can give it a name..
The pot has 3 identical flowers
I have shown the inner mark taken with and without flash
I'm hesitant to make any kind of definite id but were you ever given or did you ever buy Peg Sharples?
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Possibly Peg Sharples
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Beat you by 13 seconds, Mark ;D
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so we agree http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20peg%20sharples.html (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20peg%20sharples.html)
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I'm fairly sure, but it'd be good if Arthur can remember buying or being given Peg Sharples.
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Had to remove the text from that last post as I posted in the wrong thread. Didn't we used to have a "delete" post button? Now I find I have to delete the text, but still have to leave a full-stop otherwise the forum tells me the comment box is empty. Is there no way any more to delete an entire post unless you're an administrator?
edit by maggi: no
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Gerard. Now I know where the Harry Potter car took itself to for retirement after the films were finished. ;D
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I am happy to confirm that I received 'Peg Sharples' from Hans Joschko several years ago.
Thanks
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Does anyone know a tiny elwesii that flowers now/late? It has very small leaves 6cm x 1.5cm and a 9cm scape. The inner mark is two tiny dots.
It was labelled Rowallane which is a mistake
Mark - I have a small clump of one that is the same/very similar which I think I got from a garden centre several years ago - before I became a trainee galanthophile. It is by far the latest of my collection to flower and this year I have two flowers (so far) with perhaps 8 more noses that have only just appeared above ground. It is also in one of the warmer parts of the garden. All my other drops are just about over.
There is a thread here...
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5342.0
with another mention of a similar/same type. In my view it should be named, a very late flowering elwesii with distinctive (small) markings on the inner petals and a rather elegant flower shape. Much more distinctive than lots of other drops.
I will post some pictures when the weather improves. (First wet day here today for weeks).
Chris
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I am happy to confirm that I received 'Peg Sharples' from Hans Joschko several years ago.Thanks
Art - tthe fellows are fast on the draw. Mine came from Northern Germany long ago but originally via P&M in 1994.
johnw
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A tiny seedling now flowering for the first time, with nivalis 'Virescens' blood in it, showing as green marks on the outers.
And the same flower with my thumb nail to show the scale.
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Some good late seedlings flowering now. All hybrids except for
the last one, which is a rather grumpy plicatus byzantinus.
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Back in England to a lovely rainy day... ::)
So many of my snowdrops have 'gone over' while I have been away, but I was determined to take a few photos on my first day back!
1 - 'Hugh Mackenzie' - still has a place in my top ten snowdrops.
2 - 'Trym' from Ivycroft. (I really must make time to compare the Trym's from different places one day as I am sure there are a few different clones doing the rounds.....)
3 - 'Fieldgate Superb' - going over and not open today - but still looking lovely to me after no snowdrops in Madeira.
4 - 'Luke' ;D
5 - Hellebore
6 - Ypsilandra thibetica
7 - Another pic of the only fix I got in Madeira! I think I see Leucojum, Narcissus, English marigold, Primula, Strelitzia, Californian poppies, and who knows what else all in a fabulous all inclusive flower arrangement on Feb 29th....
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Your Hugh Mackenzie really does look good, John.
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Flowering now in our upper meadow, this Galanthus elwesii came with the garden and is slowly seeding around.
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I went to the Wildenborgh Estate in Vorden Netherlands, not far from where I live. The owners opened their garden for the public to enjoy the snowdrops. Had a pleasant afternoon with nice temperatures.
Because of the size of the photos I will post several photos in different posts
Enjoy.
photo 1 : Frontside of the mansion
photo 2 : Backyard of the mansion
Enjoy.
Cheers,
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Wildenborgh Estate Vorden
photo 3,4 : In the woodland garden
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Wildenborgh Estate Vorden
Photo 5 and 6 : In the woodland garden
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Wildenborgh Estate Vorden
photo 7 : Backside of the mansion
photo 8 : Flore Pleno in a Vinca field
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Wildenborgh Estate Vorden
photo 9 : Galanthus 'Peacock' :-)
photo 10 : Not everything is white
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A tiny seedling now flowering for the first time, with nivalis 'Virescens' blood in it, showing as green marks on the outers.
Very sweet Martin :)
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John, your HUGH MACKENZIE is a stunner!!! I like good greens.
Martin, you are sure there is GnV-blood inside??? The outer green looks not so.
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For me Martin 3380 and 3399 are on my wants list
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Snowdrops at Hever Castle...taken today.
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk134/Jasmine2364/100_1772.jpg)
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Martin - Some wonderful things coming along there.
John - Superb Hugh MacKenzie
Welcome back. Did you sow any peshmenii in the mountains? ;)
johnw
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::)
4 - 'Luke' ;D
Very nice green spiky!
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Today i was searching again in one of my favourite woodlands with permission of course ;D
Despite the weather was not that good i found a lot! And i think i found the first smiling snowdrop and one with a face complete with nose :o
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more pics :o
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more pics :o
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more pics and one from last year with a new name :o
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Just a impression where i was walking today and again with permission of course! The owner said to me you are not going home without taking any do you! I stayed there after my searching, for a few hours with some of his friends drinking coffee and explaining what the difference between all the snowdrops is because they did not see any difference at all!
They invited me to come back next year, there are so many you can spend a whole day over there :o
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Gerard would you be so kind and reduce your photos to 700 or 750 pixels wide. I cant view your images on my laptops small screen
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Here's the tiny elwesii again in good light and
G. plicatus ex Robin Hall which is always late
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Like them both, Mark.
Great pictures as usual.
Lina.
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Gerard - How many species are growing in this woodland?
You've had quite a succesful day! How are your poor knees?
johnw
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Thanks Lina
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Martin, you are sure there is GnV-blood inside??? The outer green looks not so.
Hi Hagen. Most of my plicatus x 'Virescens' seedlings have no green on the outers at all. I am back-crossing them with 'Virescens' hoping that the gene for green outers may be recessive and that you need to cross a snowdrop with the green-outer gene with another snowdrop with the green-outer gene to be sure to get green outers in the seedlings. This seedling (and one other) do have some small patches of green on the outers and are also very small like 'Virescens'. They were both definitely seedlings from the cross plicatus x 'Virescens'.
Looking at this seedling, it does not look like the plicatus parent, but instead it looks very like a 'Virescens' but with only a little green on the outers (same size as 'Virescens' and same leaves). All my seedlings from plicatus x 'Virescens' look like 'Virescens' (very small flowers and very small nivalis leaves) so the cross obviously worked. Just getting the 'Virescens' green on the outers will probably take another generation :-\
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Gerard - How many species are growing in this woodland?
You've had quite a succesful day! How are your poor knees?
johnw
Only a few nivalis and most elwesii. My knees are still doing well, you forget the pain in the excitement ;D
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Gerard would you be so kind and reduce your photos to 700 or 750 pixels wide. I cant view your images on my laptops small screen
I will try next time but i am afraid they get to small, i had to reduce these allready with 30% and that was a lot of work with the number i got.
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like this one ???
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Perfect :)
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THanks Gerard. What photo editing programme do you use? I use Photo Shop and can edit a photo in 45 seconds - yes I just timed myself. I crop out what I need, resize it to 700 pixels wide, sharpen if needed and save to a folder. If it's a photo that doesnt need cropped I resize to 700 without cropping
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THanks Gerard. What photo editing programme do you use? I use Photo Shop and can edit a photo in 45 seconds - yes I just timed myself. I crop out what I need, resize it to 700 pixels wide, sharpen if needed and save to a folder. If it's a photo that doesnt need cropped I resize to 700 without cropping
I do the cropping and any individual tweaking on each picture with a quick save, then resize the whole folder in one go using the Batch process
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I would kindly ask any of you what you think of this yellowish elwesii.
I bought a bunch of elwesii last Saturday at the Hessenhof nursery in Ede Netherlands and this one was in one of the pots. It looked yellow, but I am not familiar with yellow ones. Is it just a common one or does it stand out in some way? I have taken some pictures of it with a common green nivalis to show the difference in color.
What do you think?
Thanks.
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John i can't speak for everybody but i think thats lovely was it in your garden?
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I am not familiar with yellow ones. Is it just a common one or does it stand out in some way?
Basically there are two types of yellows, those that are intrinsically yellow and come true every year and those that are yellow because they have been deprived of light (the so-called "cowpat yellow") which will be perfectly normal (i.e. green) next year and ever afterwards.
Genuine yellow elwesii snowdrops are very rare but you will have to wait another year to find out if that is what you have.
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Gerard would you be so kind and reduce your photos to 700 or 750 pixels wide. I cant view your images on my laptops small screen
I use the scroll bars Mark, it means you can see the picture more closely if not all at once ;)
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John i can't speak for everybody but i think thats lovely was it in your garden?
Hello Davey and all,
No it was not in my garden. I bought it Saturday at a nursery in a pot full of common green elwesii for only 2 euros. So no cow pat involved :-). If it is a true yellow, than I was just lucky. Will see next year if it keeps the color. I am planning to plant it in the garden and will see.
Thanks.
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A tiny seedling now flowering for the first time, with nivalis 'Virescens' blood in it, showing as green marks on the outers.
And the same flower with my thumb nail to show the scale.
I like it. 8)
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Gerard would you be so kind and reduce your photos to 700 or 750 pixels wide. I cant view your images on my laptops small screen
I use the scroll bars Mark, it means you can see the picture more closely if not all at once ;)
I could not see any scroll bars on Gerard's photos ???
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I could not see any scroll bars on Gerard's photos ???
You won't see a scroll bar unless it's necessary because the picture is too big to fit on the display.
Your monitor will be set to a display resolution of X by Y pixels. Broadly speaking, if the picture you are viewing has more than X pixels across or Y pixels down then it should be displayed with a scroll bar.
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John, your HUGH MACKENZIE is a stunner!!! I like good greens.
Hagen - it was your thoughts that convinced me to get 'Hugh Mackenzie' when I was asking you for advice about ones with green on the outers. 8)
And I am very grateful you did - each year it has put a big smile on my face. Slow to increase - but large and lovely and green. ;D
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I could not see any scroll bars on Gerard's photos ???
You won't see a scroll bar unless it's necessary because the picture is too big to fit on the display.
Your monitor will be set to a display resolution of X by Y pixels. Broadly speaking, if the picture you are viewing has more than X pixels across or Y pixels down then it should be displayed with a scroll bar.
Alan
I have seen scroll bars before, but this time, although picture was too large and I could not see the mark, no scroll bars.
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If I click on Gerard's pictures, and they fit on the screen, there are no scroll bars. But if I make the 'pane' smaller so that I can only see a bit of the picture, the scroll bars magically appear.
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here is one of Gerards photos edited 3 times
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If I click on Gerard's pictures, and they fit on the screen, there are no scroll bars. But if I make the 'pane' smaller so that I can only see a bit of the picture, the scroll bars magically appear.
Brian
How do you make the pane smaller? ???
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On many request for all the small tablets /laptops with help from my M.O.P.M
I hope its still worth watching
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more small ones.
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Very nice, Gerard, and perfectly clear.
We have been advised that the 760 pixels wide is a good one for the set up of the forum... and I think this is a good guide.
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more small ones.
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The last ones pfffew!
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Very nice plants - and a perfect size of image.
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I found 14 new cv's on this place! My new record for one day ;D
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Thanks Gerard.
Probably my last snowdrop photo of 2012 :'( Can a bulb the size of a pea be twinscalled easily?
nivalis Mini Me
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:)
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Mark - I've done smaller. Give it a go, just don't chop it into too many pieces.
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I suppose it's the height of the snowdrop season here, but it's hard to tell; we've been buried by two heavy, wet snowfalls, now spring might be serious about returning this time. The snowdrops look surprisingly perky considering they've been buried by snow twice, in full bloom. I thought the woronowii foliage would be toast, as it was down to -12C last night, but only see a little damage at the tips of a few of the leaves. Now the snow all melted today and it's to be up to 17C tomorrow; talk about a weather rollercoaster. Here are a few snowies, a little bowed but still in bloom:
(edit by maggi to add plant names to text for search facility)
Galanthus gracilis
Desdemona
Pewsey Vale
Trotter's Merlin
Scissors
Bitton
woronowii
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Looking very good Don despite the weather. And nice woronowii, I must have the smallest flowered one in cultivation!
We've had everything imaginable weather-wise today but promised 14c on Thursday so maybe a few will be advanced enough to photograph.
johnw
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John, I can tell you there is warmer air headed your way; I think this is finally spring!
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John, I can tell you there is warmer air headed your way; I think this is finally spring!
Don - I will just be a blip here. Spring is a very slow process here with all the cold water surrounding us. I will be very surprised if we make it to +14c on the coast.
johnw
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some pics from me :
Galanthus artjuschenkoae
Galanthus "Blonde Inge"
Galanthus "Spindlestone Surprise"
Hans 8)
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Lovely photo of Galanthus artjuschenkoae- it brought to mind this thread where Zhirair showed us great photos from the wild....
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4398.0
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Very nice Hans.
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I am still catching up on everyone's wonderful posts that I missed the full details of while I was on holiday in Madeira. There are so many nice photographs and places I have never visited. Thank you to everyone for taking the time to post your pictures and words. 8)
A few from my back yard today.
1 - 'Greenish'
2 - 'Streifen-Weh' (many thanks to a kind forumist 8) )
3 - 'Pusey Green Tips'. I forgot this was there as it doesn't usually "grab me" - but in a garden bereft of flowers today I noticed it again.
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John, just the man I need to look at my post number 43 on this thread, and tell me whether my spikey version of PGT is an immature phase, or the wrong cultivar. Please.
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Snowdrops in my meadow
Galanthus nivalis
Galanthus gracillis
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Your meadow never fails to make me smile, Franz. :)
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From today, still lots of flowers although one more week and most of them will be over.
One very nice plicatus called The Big Bopper, the flower is a bit bigger then Big Boys flower, its a real Big Bopper!
A very small dwarf nivalis with flowers that measure less then 1/3 inch Minnie the m.
And a very late double found already quite some years ago with a very neat rozet and outer petals that stay around it, Snowqueen.
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Galanthus gracillis
Amazing to see that with such short foliage it is incredibly twisted Franz.
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John, just the man I need to look at my post number 43 on this thread, and tell me whether my spikey version of PGT is an immature phase, or the wrong cultivar. Please.
Hi Anne
Sorry not to notice your picture and question before - I've just had a look now - my guess is that your flower is not 'Pusey Green Tips'. Unlike some of the other doubles that do have very different looking flowers on young bulbs I don't think that I have never noticed an "immature phase" flower on 'Pusey Green Tips'.
I've picked the smallest / youngest flower from my clump for you - and as you can see it is just a small version of the mature flower. There don't appear to be any "immature" flowers on my clump. Hope these pictures help.
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Thanks, John. I'll have to label them as ? and see what they do next year.
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Past Saturday I found this particular strange form of Galanthus nivalis. When I was driving to a friend, I saw that a poplar plantation with many thousands of snowdrops was being exploited. All the trees being felled and near to a tractor track was this complete clump. It was almost destroyed...Anyway...look al the pic...a two- petalled clump.
In the past I've found three such snowdrops, all of them being single-bulbed. They were never stable...
Finding this complete clump with 7 flowers out of 6 mature bulbs and some bulbils, I wonder if it is maybe stable. I do think so because it has seven morphologic identical flowers from different bulbs, so genetically equal... If it's not a modification but a mutation, it will proove to be stable.
In the past, galantophiles have selected many good forms with 4 - 5 - 6 outers and inners, never a two petalled one. it is weird indeed.
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Great to have you posting this season Valentine. 8)
Your 2 petal find certainly looks stable and could be a talking point in any collection. :)
It would easily find a home in my garden. ;D
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Hi Valentin, nice to hear from you on the forum. I take it those snowdrops have two inners as well as two outer petals? I found something even weirder this year, which I posted about earlier http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8483.600 reply#612. But that was a single bulb, so may very well not be stable.
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That is an exciting find Valentin, fingers crossed they are stable. Well done for rescuing them :)
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In the upcoming weeks I will post quite some very good, exciting new forms of Galanthus nivalis var. 'Scharlockii' which is the 'endemic' variant of G. nivalis in our Ardennes. We have selected the best and outstanding forms out of the past 6 years. We have been evaluating them all these years in garden conditions. When I say 'we', I mean Johan Mens and I. I do know that these new Scharlockii' will be a talking point between galantophiles too.
I my garden, these forms of Galanthus nivalis var. 'Scharlockii' are crossbreeding. This opens up so many possibilities in the near future...
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Here's a really weird snowdrop I saw in the woods today; its a 2x4 or is that a 4x2? What I mean is that it has four outers and two inners arranged symmetrically.
WOW! :o
Alan - that is an amazing flower! 8)
I am guessing a 'never to be seen again' - but brilliant you caught a photo of it this year.
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Snowdrops in my meadow
I've just spotted your lovely meadow pictures Franz - looking lovely as always.
This is the first year I remember the grass looking brown. My memories are always of luscious green grass.
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John,
You're right, the grass is dead after a - 20 ° C temparature in February.
We still have night frosts of - 8 ° C.
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Indeed Alan, this is the weirdest ever to me. It is so special because it is even very difficult - if not impossible - to explain this anomaly talking upon the heredity. Quite special indeed! To be watched over the next year(s)!
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In the upcoming weeks I will post quite some very good, exciting new forms of Galanthus nivalis var. 'Scharlockii' which is the 'endemic' variant of G. nivalis in our Ardennes. We have selected the best and outstanding forms out of the past 6 years. We have been evaluating them all these years in garden conditions. When I say 'we', I mean Johan Mens and I. I do know that these new Scharlockii' will be a talking point between galantophiles too.
I my garden, these forms of Galanthus nivalis var. 'Scharlockii' are crossbreeding. This opens up so many possibilities in the near future...
Yes indeed it will be exciting to see them Valentin, since seeing Jose Bavcon's book on the variants on Galanthus nivalis in Slovenia back in 2009 I have been waiting to see the next diversity of population shown. I am sure that there is other diversity in, say, plicatus in the wild which people have yet to publicize and we will all be amazed.
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Friends are in Vancouver, BC for a month and have been
ordered asked to photograph every snowdrop they see. Nothing special but at this time of year when the snowdrop seaon is waning in the UK and Europe a couple of shots of nivalis at the Asian Garden at UBC.
Hopefully more will follow.
Nice to have you aboard Valentin and we look forward to your postings.
johnw - sunny, +5c at 08:30 and headed to +12c.
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Friends are in Vancouver, BC for a month and have been ordered asked to photograph every snowdrop they see.
;D 8) ::) 8) ;D
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A few more Galanthus elwesii flowering here- a few with green markings on the exterior like a cat has scratched them and one with a little green man inside.
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A few pics from my little patch today. I really am 'scrapping the barrel' for my 2012 pics. Many of these flowers are past their best - but they made me smile while taking the photos.
1 & 2 - I think someone asked a question about these two flowers earlier during this season. I found these ones in my suitcase when I got back to the UK after visiting Germany last year. These are first year flowers for me so may not be of any help in a valid ID.
1 - 'Doncasters Double Charmer' (Avon)
2 - 'Double Charmer' (Monksilver)
3 - 'Hugh Mackenzie' - opened up in the sun today so seemed worth another pic.
4 - 'Lydiard Diana' - it has reached the stage where I think I am now likely to struggle to ID all the named nivalis pocs!
5 - 'Mrs Tiggywinkle' - Possibly a small flower during it's first year here? after being given it as a very kind gift.
6 - 'Fuzz'
7 - 'Fanny' - a flower that will be faded by tomorrow!
Things really are past their best here! But these are a few pics that have made me smile today and I hope they will make you smile too. :)
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Where are the rest of the photos? ???
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Ten celsius and sunny here and the snowdrops have popped in Ken's garden.
We checked the frames, everything in flower in the south-facing frame, perhaps some pic later. The north-facing frame is still quite frozen. G. elwesii Maidwell L is first out in my garden.
1 nivalis Anglesey Abbey
2 nivalis Flore Pleno
3 elwesii Maidwell L
4 elwesii Maidwell L
5 elwesii
6 Dionysus
Today is a perfect example of how we are affected by the surronding salt water, here 10c while Helen in New Brunswick is positively sweltering and watching her snow disappear.
johnw
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One snowdrop we never see on the Forum is nivalis Funny Justine, a really desirable oddity from Cathy Portier. I wonder if it later manages to open?
johnw
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Nice to see Mrs Tiggywinkle ,John mine is just leaves this year but.....................I have one flower nearly ready to open on Boyd's Double :D :D
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A few pics from my little patch today. I really am 'scrapping the barrel' for my 2012 pics. Many of these flowers are past their best - but they made me smile while taking the photos.
They certainly made me smile John :D
Double charmer and Hugh mackenzie are beauties.
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Flowering for the first time in my garden, Galanthus nivalis 'Chrome Yellow', a new snowdrop from Monksilver.
Does anybody know more about it?
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One snowdrop we never see on the Forum is nivalis Funny Justine, a really desirable oddity from Cathy Portier. I wonder if it later manages to open?
johnw
John, I might be able to help you next year.
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A funny little yellow 2x2 I came across today. It's in an area that seems to produce yellow snowdrops; this one was very small. Perhaps it didn't have the strength to produce 6 petals so could only manage four?
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John, I might be able to help you next year.
Thanks for the offer Steve but getting snowdrops to Canada can be a daunting task with red tape and permits aplenty.
john
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A funny little yellow 2x2 I came across today. It's in an area that seems to produce yellow snowdrops; this one was very small. Perhaps it didn't have the strength to produce 6 petals so could only manage four?
Alan - You certainly have a knack for finding these things. Have you been working round the Hadron Collider?
A friend has had numerous crinkly and contorted plants arise in his Vancouver garden. A round-leafed crinkly Prunus laurocerasus comes to mind. He thinks it has something to do with the fact he was one of the first New Zealanders into Nagasaki after the horrid destruction.
johnw
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I found this one in-between my Galanthus elwesii ssp. monostictus
Roland
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Not often I get seed set on Galanthus indoors but trymnot was the last non-reginae-olgae.corcyrensis type to set seed. After repeated pollinations this winter the cross of my trymnot (formerly Trym impostor) x elwesii 'Rosemary Burnham' appears to have taken strongly with a nice fat pod. The reverse cross failed and again that cross was done repeatedly.
Now the long wait.
johnw
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This is one of my finds,three flowers on it this year and it does it every year.
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/newsnowdrop.jpg)
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We opened the south-facing coldframe today and spent an hour taking some of the woodchips off the pots. Surprsingly many in flower whilst the north frames are still frozen. The coverings will have to go back on as it may be quite a cold night. A few pix of those in flower later.
johnw - +3c in the sun, soil crusty in the shade.
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From the frame today:
1 Sickle & elwesii Rosemary Burnham
2 plicatus Maidwell L
3 Mrs. MacNamara
4 Magnet impostor P&M - any ideas?
5 Green Brush
6 elwesii Rosemary Burnham
7 Ding Dong
8 Desdemona
9 Bess
10 Merlin
11 elwesii Rosemary Burnham
johnw
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Just about finishing up snowdrop season in the Pacific NW
G. 'Brenda Troyle'
G. 'Washfield Warham' . . . . ?
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Nice foundling Roland. 8)
Davey - what can I say - once again you have found something that puts a smile on my face. 8)
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Jim - it's the same here - very few things still to flower.
But we have John and some of our other international members to keep us satisfied with snowdrop photos.
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That's a lovely snowdrop, Davey. Do you twin scale them? I'm very much in favour of anything that spreads the risk of losing the lot. I've just found another pot that used to have three bulbs in but this year has the top eighth of one bulb and a swift moth larva. This was a find from 2010; nothing hugely special but it was all the cultivated stock in existence.
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Just about finishing up snowdrop season in the Pacific NW
G. 'Brenda Troyle'
G. 'Washfield Warham' . . . . ?
Looks right for Washfield Warham, Jim.
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That's a lovely snowdrop, Davey. Do you twin scale them? I'm very much in favour of anything that spreads the risk of losing the lot. I've just found another pot that used to have three bulbs in but this year has the top eighth of one bulb and a swift moth larva. This was a find from 2010; nothing hugely special but it was all the cultivated stock in existence.
Alan after talking to Cliff Curtis i will be twin scaling from this year onwards,i have in the past just let my finds get to a large clump then send them out to who ever would like a bulb so if i was to loose it then somebody will have it somewhere,the problem comes when in the early days i never kept records so couldn't tell you who has them except JohnF and Brian ;D.
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Dave, your findling is a thing of interest. It has not only a few bracts more, it is a poc too.!!!
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Kentgardener is waiting for:
NOBODY IS PERFECT, now in best condition.
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John, you are waiting for the greens also ;)?
Brian, I also have a few of SCHMALHANS IM GRÜNEN :)!
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Hagen
You have made my Sunday a happy day. I might celebrate your lovely flowers with a can of German gherkin!
'Nobody is perfect' can look perfect when it performs well.
And yet another wonderful green.
Keep them coming. 8)
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John, I hope you have a little bit more of sun.
I will post the next greens in their own topic.
Here is a lovely poc, came from Vienna to me: DANUBE STAR
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Hagen
Good to see such a wonderful clump of 'Danube Star' - sadly one I lost this last winter, no explanation such as a grub, nothing in the pot. :(
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There should be a way Arthur .....
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Hagen - interesting that your snowdrops are now rushing ahead with their flowering. After being so ahead of you I am now behind you - my 'Danube Star' is still a week away from flowering.
(Art - remind me next month that you are on the lookout for a bulb ;) )
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The latest ones in the greenhouse here John/Hagen are nivalis Tatiana (still a week or so away), Pusey Green Tip (just out) and "caucasicus" from P&M in the 90's. Is Danube Star later than these?
I am surprised how early plicatus Maidwell L is outdoors and yet Sophie North is well behind.
johnw - +1c & sunny
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John,
'Maidwell L' is always an early one here. I do wonder if there are more than one clone though as another friend told me their clump was out a lot later.... Your one is as early in your season as mine is.
A couple of pics from today.
1 - 'Fiona Mackenzie' - it only opened yesterday so I am expecting the flower shape to change - but I might not see my garden in daylight until next Sunday so captured a photo while I had the chance.
2 - 'Curry' - A new one for me that was a gift while at Oirlich last year. I seem to remember it being an interesting browny yellow 'curry' colour when Alan S and I were given it. In my garden for "it's first year" it seems to be a rather boring lime colour.....
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This is one of my finds,three flowers on it this year and it does it every year.
Once it's clumped up it will look fantastic Davey ;D
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Brian, I also have a few of SCHMALHANS IM GRÜNEN !
Just as this clump looks absolutely gorgeous. As the children in my class used to say - I can't wait ::)
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Brian ;) you have no other chance, you must wait......
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JohnW, TATIANA is later than DANUBE STAR.
Now we have our two weeks of saison here. Hope the temperature next days is not to high.
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A little helper of mine. This bee is crossing the yellows with the greens!!!
I couldn`t do it better :D.
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Brian ;) you have no other chance, you must wait......
Just what I used to say to the children Hagen ;D
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Here is a "Tuff" with the color of CURRY.
But the interesting thing is not the color.
Please have a look to the leaves.
They lay down on the ground are green but not waxy.
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JohnW, TATIANA is later than DANUBE STAR.
Now we have our two weeks of saison here. Hope the temperature next days is not to high.
So, outdoors Tatiana should be very late indeed. Perhaps I'd better collect some Rosemary B. pollen to put on Tatiana....
johnw
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John, my Tatiana is one of the very latest snowdrops in my garden. The flower buds are only just above soil level.
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You have trained your bees well, Hagen.
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One of the last ones over here.
Streifenweh.
Tatjana is nice but in 3 years still one bulb!
Virescens very nice for a old green snowdrop!
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We opened the south-facing coldframe today and spent an hour taking some of the woodchips off the pots. Surprsingly many in flower whilst the north frames are still frozen. The coverings will have to go back on as it may be quite a cold night. A few pix of those in flower later.
johnw - +3c in the sun, soil crusty in the shade.
That's interesting to see how you grow them in your coldframe John. Do you have them standing on grit? Do many rot?
Thanks for posting the pics as I am thinking of emptying my various surplus perennials out of my brick built coldframes and using for snowdrops. Just have to check the drainage holes are clear or that could spell disaster!
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John,
'Maidwell L' is always an early one here. I do wonder if there are more than one clone though as another friend told me their clump was out a lot later.... Your one is as early in your season as mine is.
A couple of pics from today.
1 - 'Fiona Mackenzie' - it only opened yesterday so I am expecting the flower shape to change - but I might not see my garden in daylight until next Sunday so captured a photo while I had the chance.
2 - 'Curry' - A new one for me that was a gift while at Oirlich last year. I seem to remember it being an interesting browny yellow 'curry' colour when Alan S and I were given it. In my garden for "it's first year" it seems to be a rather boring lime colour.....
Hi John - so you are back. I have been in the twilight zone with my eyes but they are now fixed - missed most of my snowdrops which is depressing. I was awaiting your Curry and just could not imagine a snowdrop in a browny shade - maybe it will change as time goes on?
Davey - that find is very unusual. As Brian said - a clump would look amazing. Very weird and wonderful.
I am enjoying the photos and have lots of catching up to do.
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Two snowdrops from Simon Savage, flowering for the first time in my garden.
'Shades of Green'
'St. Boniface' with mostly four outer segments
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Here is another one with a soft basal mark: EIN HAUCH VON LAUCH
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And this tuff is happy like NEVER BEFORE
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Only one can be the king: E A BOWLES
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One of my absolute favorits:CLIFF CURTIS
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never saw it before: FIELDGATE TIFFANY
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Hagen, thank you for these great pirctures.
G. 'Cliff Curtis' is very, very nice.
For me this is the number one.
Lina.
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One of my absolute favorits:CLIFF CURTIS
Cliff Curtis is VERY pretty.
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I agree. I've never before seen it! 8)
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Hagen - Your Cliff Curtis is sensational!
You will have to translate the beautiful EIN HAUCH VON LAUCH as it comes up as "Garlic Breath" here. ::)
johnw
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Dear JohnW,
there are big snowdropareas outside in the world and after the season of galanthus there the season of allium ursinum begins. So the name is OK ;)
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Lina, Martin, Anthony
CLIFF CURTIS is also very healthy. There were no damage this frosty February.
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lovely Cliff Curtis !
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One of my absolute favorits:CLIFF CURTIS
Very smart 'drop.
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A few drops from my dutch garden,
G. 'Desdemona'
G. 'Washfield Warham'
G. 'John Long'
Lina.
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That's interesting to see how you grow them in your coldframe John. Do you have them standing on grit? Do many rot?
Jenny - The pots in the frames are sitting on perhaps 2cm of wood chips. No sign of rot but two new Magnet (true) have failed to appear, I have no idea why I have such problems with this one. I used a very leafy mix this year and in mid December we had to give this frame a really good drink before closing the lids.
As mentioned before we have a real winter - even when it's a mild one - so I'm not sure how this system would work for you. Is it possible with the pots sunk in the UK the drops might advanced a bit too quickly? Also you would only need to close the lid during cold snaps. The surface mulch of wood chips might be chancy given the winter damp there but perhaps necessary if a really cold snap threatened.
johnw
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Only one can be the king: E A BOWLES
Hello Hagen,
You are right, E A Bowles is wonderful, however the poc in the background is also stunning.
What's the name of the poc?
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Rick, the background poc is DANUBE STAR. It has the small tepales.
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Does anyone know a tiny elwesii that flowers now/late? It has very small leaves 6cm x 1.5cm and a 9cm scape. The inner mark is two tiny dots.
It was labelled Rowallane which is a mistake
Mark - here a couple of shots of a drop in the garden here which is very similar. It has a pair of small green dots on the inners (which I think are bigger than last year) and it is late, although earlier this year - probably due to a combionation of a warmer spot and a milder winter. In previous years it has been flowering well into April. You can see the elwesii type leaves in the second photo.
Chris
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Wonderful photographs, Hagen! Absolutely perfect ... :)
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Lovely photos everyone. Chris that late elwesii is nice - I like the markings. Hagen - love Cliff Curtis and Fieldgate Tiffany is lovely and big - i like that one.
1 & 2 .....I wonder if anyone can identify this snowdrop for a friend of mine who lives on the Isle of Wight. A friend gave her lots of named snowdrops....without the names! She asked me - but I have not a clue. It is just beginning to flower now and she said it is not minute....but smaller than her other named drops. Any ideas? By the way the tape measure is in inches along the side. I know the photo is not very clear, but you can get the general idea. The inner marking is a horse shoe shape apparently.
3....I received Ruby Baker last week - she got a bit crumpled in transit, but very pretty. Hope she survives til next year :)
Jennie
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DAS GELBE VOM EI begins to flower with a soft cream color.
Here it is side by side with a normal white flower.
Later it fades to white.
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Chris, I have a soft spot for snowdrops that do unusual things so I like your little late elwesii.
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Chris is your snowdrop named?
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A few more from my diminishing display. Only a couple more left to go now but I fear that they may abort in the warm weather.
1. Prague Spring from North Green Snowdrop in its second year with me.
2. Ruby Baker finally decided to open up and shows the inner markings quite nicely now.
3. Hugh Mackenzie has already been shown by Kentgardener but it's such a lovely flower I just had to show my own one too!
4 and 5. The marvellously plump and large Dodo Norton. Nothing too special other than it's a lovely flower with a nice heart shaped mark on the inner.
David
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Chris is your snowdrop named?
Mark - No, I think I got in a garden centre a few years ago, it has increased quite slowly either due to my incompetence or its reluctance :). It was certainly not bought as a named variety.
Chris
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Rick, the background poc is DANUBE STAR. It has the small tepales.
Thanks Hagen.
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Can this snowdrop raise a smile?
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It can, even from me. :)
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That makes me smile too, Lesley ... :)
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David - Nice to see Prague Spring. I assume it's a nivalis.
johnw - not on the dartboard but 1 meter away, on the plaster wall near the cracks and the faulty off-on electric light switch. ;)
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Can this snowdrop raise a smile?
I've said this before but I think the Dutch classification system really missed a trick by not having a "Funny Face" Group (to which Thomas' snowdrop would obviously belong). Remember 'funny face' pansies?
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johnw - not on the dartboard but 1 meter away, on the plaster wall near the cracks and the faulty off-on electric light switch. ;)
Like it John ;D
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David - Nice to see Prague Spring. I assume it's a nivalis.
Yes John, it is a nivalis.
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Can this snowdrop raise a smile?
I've said this before but I think the Dutch classification system really missed a trick by not having a "Funny Face" Group (to which Thomas' snowdrop would obviously belong). Remember 'funny face' pansies?
There is some hope, that it might be stable, at least as for the two outer and inner segments. Forumist salamander, from whom I got it for observation, has two or three of it. About the split basal marking , which makes the face, I am not sure. Time will tell.
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A few from the garden today;
Bohemia Gold 15.3.12
Marlie Raphael Group 15.3.12
Steve's yellow 15.3.12
Cicely Hall 15.3.12
(edit by maggi to add plant names to text)
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Steve, is G. 'Steve's Yellow' your finding?
Do you still have many snowdrops in flower?
They look great.
Lina.
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To which species does 'Steve's Yellow' belong? A nivalis? Or is it a hybrid?
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Steve, a fine tuff of CICILY HALL.
What are the stories of the yellows?
The is a lot of fog inside your pics >:(.
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Can this snowdrop raise a smile?
ik looks like Pluto
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I agree, Loes. It does look like Pluto!
Lina.
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few Galanthus today
kind regards, Wolfgang
Lady Elphinstone.
Walrus
niv.Poculiformis
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We could not resist to go back to on of my favorite woodlands. And surprisingly there were still some in flower because its a rather cool environment!
Here are the last pics from this spring!
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The very last ones and a one of my spikes!
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Some snowdrops:
'Pusey Green Tips'
'Octopussy'
'Kildare'
'Greenish'
'Comet'
'Melot'
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Thank you for keeping the snowdrop pictures coming.
Thomas - it is interesting for me to see things flowering together in your garden that often flower weeks apart in my garden.
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And so tasty (http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-79983-12.html)!
I thought that the alkaloids in snowdrops & daffodils made them unpalatable to grazers.
Evidently not, unless this must be learned or flowers are better than leaves.
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I hope thats not the snowdrops from Hagen :o
...poor rabbit.....
And so tasty (http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-79983-12.html)!
I thought that the alkaloids in snowdrops & daffodils made them unpalatable to grazers.
Evidently not, unless this must be learned or flowers are better than leaves.
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This really really is almost going to be my last posting of snowdrop photographs for this season! ;D
1 - 'Virescens'
2 - 'Basisgruner'
3 - 'Green Ibis' (a very generous gift from a 'lurker' ;) )
4 - 'Fiona Mackenzie'
5 - 'Federkleid'
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I like Fiona John
good "colours"
is it a botanic one or a hybrid
Roland
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So many good new greenish ones around now. Thank you John for showing them. I add two more photographs of good old Galanthus nivalis 'Greenish' for comparison. The first one was taken in shade, the second one in sun. 'Greenish' is always late here and still at its best.
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Fantastic as usual John. The only thing missing from your collection it seems is an ......umlaut.
johnw
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We had a bit of snow and ice on Wednesday but the weather is to be too far above average for the next week with highs in the upper teens, cause for concern.
nivalis Viridipice
nivalis
Merlin? - a long-standing debate on this one
elwesii - named or find???
Green Brush
Leucojum aestivum Nancy Lindsay
johnw - +4c & sunny
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A few common nivalis about. The first shot is Magnet impostor not nivalis.
Speaking of greens, everyone is in green here today and not a sober one under the age of 25 to be found.
johnw
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Some more G.elwesii flowering here now.
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The very last ones this spring i found today.
A almost poculoform nivalis and a square snowdrop 4x4 petals!
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my Galanthus Pucoliformis
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Folks, I have split off the posts relating to ikariae id etc to a new thread :
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8787.0
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This Galanthus elwesii caught my eye today with its yellowish tinge to the ends of the inner petals.
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my Galanthus Pucoliformis
A nice plump one Wolfgang ;D
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Ken spotted this in the front garden, an aberrant triple-header with one flower with yellow markings and another partially yellow. Do we get to choose three names for it?
johnw.
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To me a very special one... This is what I found yesterday. Before looking at the pics,...this is a Galanthus elwesii. Does anyone on the Forum know of other poculiform ones like this? Of course I do know about the existence of (pure white) pocs like 'the Bride', but is a poculiform 'greentipped' elwesii seen before?
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Valentin - That is wild. Very beautiful, there's your fortune! Now we need a new botanically correct descriptive.... ;)
johnw
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could this be elwesii?
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What an amazing find Valentin! 8)
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well spotted Valentin!
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Hello Valentin, I hope there is not only one bulb you found? It is very unusual, what you found.
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Hagen, John, Mark and Anthony
It's a pity, this is indeed a single bulbed find. This was the most special finding. I also discovered several four- and five- petalled ones, distinct green-tippeds and a very good, distinctive chimere Galanthus elwesii.
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Speaking of greens, everyone is in green here today and not a sober one under the age of 25 to be found.
johnw
Same here John. I asked someone on Saturday why, as a Scottish city (by inheritance anyway) we don't celebrate St Andrew's Day when everyone at the market was wearing green and around town too. The answer came back very smartly. "No booze involved."
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St. Patrick would turn in his grave. St. Patrick's day is an American institution that seems to have spread like a plague across the world. The Irish (or the Scots, for that matter) don't need an excuse for a booze up. ::)
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...why, as a Scottish city (by inheritance anyway) we don't celebrate St Andrew's Day.....................
The answer came back very smartly. "No booze involved."
Almost choked on that one. Ha they nae been to Scotland or Nova Scotia? They'd have to sober up to celebrate. :-X
johnw
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I think they have finally made St. Andrew's day a public holiday in Scotland?
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Some more green snowdrops:
'Big Boy'
'Green Teeth'
'Oliver Wyatt's Green'
'Shades of Green'
'Lohengrin' (my own seedling, a plicatus, -grin is pronounced like green in English)
'Sophie North'
'Tubby Merlin'
'Merlin'
'Wasp'
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A lovely selection Thomas. 8)
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I think they have finally made St. Andrew's day a public holiday in Scotland?
In 2007 ...... http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/People/standrewsdaybill
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I wasn't sure because it's not a holiday for schools in Falkirk, yet it was Dennis Canavan, Falkirk West MSP, who proposed the idea in 2003! ::)
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Hi Razvan - good to see you in the Galanthus area, as I don't get to the other parts of the forum very often. ;D It certainly could be an elwesii or gracilis
Valentin - fingers crossed that is stable - a lovely looking thing indeed. 8)
Thomas - another good display for us in the UK now in a snowdrop desert! Please keep the pictures coming. :)
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St. Patrick would turn in his grave. St. Patrick's day is an American institution that seems to have spread like a plague across the world. The Irish (or the Scots, for that matter) don't need an excuse for a booze up. ::)
I think that's the answer Anthony and John. We here have taken on the AMERICAN St Pat's Day celebrations as we have Halloween, Mothers'/Father' Day and the like, when they have nothing to do with our original cultures. Here in Dunedin we have half a dozen "Irish" pubs and bars but none with a Scottish theme at all. I suppose one can get away with a pint of Guiness around the Octagon on a Friday night while a bottle of whisky might be frowned upon.
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Galanthus elwesii- the first a 'standard' garden form in most gardens around here.
Next some forms, which produce much larger leaves after flowering form an old dump site.
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Steve, is G. 'Steve's Yellow' your finding?
Do you still have many snowdrops in flower?
They look great.
Lina.
Hi Lina
Sorry to delay replying - busy busy. Whisked round the garden this morning to get you an answer to your question. There are quite a lot still in flower here;
Ransome's Late, Ruth Birchall, Cicely Hall, Pom-pom, Marlie Raphael, E A Bowles, Francesca de Grammont, Luke, Warham Rectory, Baxendale's Late, Rushmere Green, Galadriel, Beatrice, Sutton Court, Cornwood Gem, Doncasters Double Charmer, an un-named late double nivalis, Springwood Park, Fiona Mackenzie, Jennie Owen, Martha Maclaren, Green Man, and Creme Anglaise. Tatiana, Virescens and Mothering Sunday are about to flower.
Thomas, Steve's Yellow is a nivalis.
The alpine bed is a blaze of miniature narcissi and primulas; the sunshine and cold wind should keep them in peak condition for a while.
Visited my fellow National Collection-holder yesterday. Margaret has lots of snowdrops looking in impressively rude health. I find that visiting other gardens always provides ideas on how one might grow things better in one's own garden.
Steve
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And this tuff is happy like NEVER BEFORE
Bravo, Hagen! A nice one - like it! ;D
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Some my snowies flowered at the moment in really spring Kiev-city 8)
Galanthus angustifolius ex locus classicus - C. Caucasus, Russia
Galanthus lagodechianus ex N. Armenia (= syn. G. artjuschenkoae)
Galanthus elwesii aff. ex Transcaucasus, Russia
Galanthus plicatus ex Crimea - my two selections by huge flowers (4.5 cm)
Galanthus plicatus ex Transcaucasus, Russia - new wild locus for this species
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Galanthus rizehensis ex W Transcaucasus, Russia
Galanthus woronowii - different selections from the wild, W Transcaucasus, Russia
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Galanthus plicatus ex Crimea - my two selections by huge flowers (4.5 cm)
Some lovely selections, I particularly like that one.
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Steve, that is a lot to enjoy still. Here I only have a few doubles in flower. Cordelia, Nerissa and Ophelia. The rest is over now.
Dimitri, what a great collection!
I like woronowii mini best of all.
Lina.
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Galanthus woronowii - different selections from the wild, W Transcaucasus, Russia
Any chance of a leaf close-up or cross section picture for comparison with G.ikariae?
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Galanthus nivalis with 2 Petalen, now for 3 Year
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Galanthus woronowii - different selections from the wild, W Transcaucasus, Russia
Any chance of a leaf close-up or cross section picture for comparison with G.ikariae?
Dima told me he has not yet got the ikariae sections prepared.
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Very nice Wolfgang. 8)
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Galanthus woronowii - different selections from the wild, W Transcaucasus, Russia
Any chance of a leaf close-up or cross section picture for comparison with G.ikariae?
Dima told me he has not yet got the ikariae sections prepared.
Exactly, Maggi. But me, I differ easy the all three taxa by simple morphology))) no need for leaf section
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Galanthus woronowii - different selections from the wild, W Transcaucasus, Russia
Any chance of a leaf close-up or cross section picture for comparison with G.ikariae?
Dima told me he has not yet got the ikariae sections prepared.
Exactly, Maggi. But me, I differ easy the all three taxa by simple morphology))) no need for leaf section
You misunderstood me, Dima, I was asking for a leaf close up or cross section picture of Galanthis wornowii to compare with Galanthus ikariae. No one has provided this yet.
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I was hunting for special galanthus in our forrests - here are some pictures.
I hope, they are stable. The plant with two flowers on a stem was really a clump of 3 bulbs - and all showed this peculiarity
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This is the second year this Galanthus elwesii has produced a stem with 2 flowers fused together at the ovaries.
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Some from today.
Bess
Tubby Merlin
Trym not seedling immature
Magnet impostor immature
Magnet impostor mture fore & immature rear
a few more
johnw - +15c and sunny
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Sorry, but my english is not good enough to understand everything.
What do you mean with " imposter"?
Can someone explain, please?
Lina.
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Sorry, but my english is not good enough to understand everything.
What do you mean with " imposter"? Can someone explain, please? Lina.
Lina - Bought as Magnet but turned out not to be Magnet.
Wiki - "An impostor or imposter is a person who pretends to be somebody else, often to try to gain financial or social advantages through social engineering, but just as often for purposes of espionage or law enforcement.
False pretenders to various thrones used to be common. " I like Pretender to the Throne!
Unknown would be more precise.
johnw
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Thank you, John.
I knew the translation, but did not understand what it means in relation to the snowdrop.
Lina.
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Lina, I wish my Dutch was half as good as your English!
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Steve, you would learn it very quick with dutch grandchildren. :D
I get a lot of practise in English with my 3 granddaughters.
Lina.
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Most generously I got one bulb of three from a friend of her find. Obviously it had the idea of getting inverse poculiform, but did not really make it true. Does anybody grow something similar?
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Galanthus nivalis with 2 Petalen, now for 3 Year
Quite unusual and fascinating, Wolfgang.
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21.03.2012 Kherson, Ukraine.
Galanthus graecus. (Found in 2011. Odessa area. Ukraine.)
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Lovely colour and beautiful shape, Ru.
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That's a lovely find Ru (great photo too 8) )
Thomas - I like it. On trying to think of something similar the first things that sprung to mind on this early morning were 'Emma Thick (http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6625.msg189573;topicseen#msg189573)' and 'Kirtling Tower (http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1260.msg31621;topicseen#msg31621)'. On finding the photos I see that neither is very similar ::) - back to the drawing board.
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Some Bulgarian Galanthus nivalis with varying amounts of green in the markings.
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Galanthus graecus = Galanthus elwesii?
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Some nice ones here Ru and Simon. I particularly like the shape of the Galanthus graecus from Odessa and the way the spathe curls over on 'G. nivalis SGUS3a smudged uppers'
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Hello Ru, I wish you the yellow will come every year so clear.
Hello Simon, you showed us a G. nivalis with small basal marks. That is unusual for this species.
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Yes, Hagen. I thought the same thing.
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Some pics then....
Fee Clochette
Moonlight
Un-named
Triple
edit by maggi to add photo file names
Bit late getting to this thread.
Absolutely love the un-named one, have never seen one with uptilting sepals ( petals?) before.
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as usual my last flowering snowdrop from today :
Galanthus platyphyllus
Hans 8)
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The warm parts of this winter were deadly for krasnovii and also for platyphyllum. Good to see healthy plants.
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Very good, Hans. How do you grow it? In an alpine house?
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Thomas - I like it. On trying to think of something similar the first things that sprung to mind on this early morning were 'Emma Thick (http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6625.msg189573;topicseen#msg189573)' and 'Kirtling Tower (http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1260.msg31621;topicseen#msg31621)'. On finding the photos I see that neither is very similar ::) - back to the drawing board.
Thank you, John. At least there don't seem to be too many similar forms around ... :)
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A green galanthus?
I like the difference between the outer green and the very dark green of the apical mark.
Has no name.
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Great plant, Hagen :)
But if you should refer to the plant I showed, the main point of interest was not the tiny green mark of course but the shape of the flower, which showed a tendency of being inverse poculiform, and then the green on the outer tepals would be like a sinus mark ...
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I like the difference between the outer green and the very dark green of the apical mark.
Me too. 8)
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A great and new type of poculiforme: BELLE ETOILE COMPLEX
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Gosh. :o I wonder if my "Belle Etoile" survived?
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Great and new indeed Hagen, that one is absolutely stunning :o :o
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Wow, Hagen :o
You always have something new and extraordinary to surprise us!
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Very good, Hans. How do you grow it? In an alpine house?
Thank you Thomas
I have no alpine house ...I grow it in my garden on a wet and shady spot.
My try with growing in pots was not well ...
Hans
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Hans, congratulations on the first G. platyphyllus! :)
Hagen, a stunning Galanthus!!!! Unique!
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Hagen - More stunners. You ARE the man!
johnw
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Hans - Quite wonderful to see G. platyphyllus. Was it an early riser or did it have the good sense to rise late in your garden?
I hope you will do some hybridizing!
johnw
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Hans - Quite wonderful to see G. platyphyllus. Was it an early riser or did it have the good sense to rise late in your garden?
I hope you will do some hybridizing!
johnw
Thank you JohnW !
I have just looked my older postings of this plants ...really interesting :D
In one year it flowers on 29.03
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3300.0
in a other on 24.03
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6818.405
This says that the flowering time is really always the same ...luckily !
A lot of my other plants looks not so well ...and I hope that my G.ikariae ,snogerupii,woronowii,krasnovii have survived....
I will not make any hybrids :o
My hope is to get pure G.platyphyllus ....the risk is low because all other snowdrops are over
Hans
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Hans -
I hope you will do some hybridizing!
johnw
I will not make any hybrids :o
My hope is to get pure G.platyphyllus ....the risk is low because all other snowdrops are over. Hans
Hans - You can always save pollen for next spring. ;)
Yes I too went back to your older postings on platyphyllus and saw some pale yellow basal marks too.
I am surprised you are concerned about your woronowiis. Were they from a milder area?
johnw
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JohnW
Yes - I was also surprised about the G.woronowii :(
I think the problem was the very warm December + January ....and than really cold in Feberuar ( two weeks around -15° ...and no snow :'(
Really interesting for me is Gal. fosterii ...no problems with the cold !
Hans
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Hans, congratulations on the first G. platyphyllus! :)
Thank you Natalia :D
Yes - my G.platyphyllus from Georgia looks well !
Not so nice looks the G.platyphyllus ex Russia ( G.valentinei) ...but I think it has survived :-\
Hans
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I walked through my greenhouse/tunnel and to my surprise there were still a few in flower!
spike Irish Green
The best double ever Barbara's Double
and my platyphyllus
Till next snowdropseason! (September)
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I'm with you on hybrids Hans, preferring the pure species.
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Not so nice looks the G.platyphyllus ex Russia ( G.valentinei) ...but I think it has survived :-\
Hans what a sad news. :-\ What is the reason do you think? G. valentinae survived very bad winters in my garden.
Your platyphyllus looks absolutely perfect!
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Not so nice looks the G.platyphyllus ex Russia ( G.valentinei) ...but I think it has survived :-\
Hans what a sad news. :-\ What is the reason do you think? G. valentinae survived very bad winters in my garden.
Your platyphyllus looks absolutely perfect!
Olga ,
I think the reason was that your G.platyphyllus is much much earlier than my G.platyphyllus ex Georgia ...it has startet with flowering in January ....and than so many nights cold without any snow :'(
Best wishes
Hans
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I think the reason was that your G.platyphyllus is much much earlier than my G.platyphyllus ex Georgia ...it has startet with flowering in January ....and than so many nights cold without any snow :'(
Yes. :( That's the worse situation. :-\
Are bulbs still alive?
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Not so nice looks the G.platyphyllus ex Russia (G.valentinei) ...but I think it has survived :-\
Hans what a sad news. :-\ What is the reason do you think? G. valentinae survived very bad winters in my garden.
Your platyphyllus looks absolutely perfect!
Hans / Olga
I am getting confused. What do you mean by G.platyphyllus ex Russia ( G.valentinei)? Is x valentinae not plicatus x nivalis so I do not understand the connection with platyphyllus?
I agree with Anthony, much better to be the father of many platyphyllus than mere hybrids. Are there any platyphyllus or krasnovii hybrids?
johnw
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JohnW :
please look in the snowdrop book from A.Davis - page 187
Davis has made G.valentinae as synonym for G.krasnovii ...but after seeing this plants I'm not shure .
It looks more like G.platyphyllus ...but the location is from Russia ....
( sorry I have written G.valentinei ...it must be valentinae )
Please look here for pics :
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3205.0
To your other question : G.krasnovii and G.platyphyllus have not the same flowering time in my garden ...
Hans
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Hans - Thanks.
I had read page 187 with valentinae as a synonym for krasnovii but it is not mentioned in his later krasnovii treatment in the Davies, Bishop, Grimshaw book.
In any event do you think it may struggle to send a shoot out later?
johnw
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Hans - re: your snowdrop
Maybe G. joschkoae sounds good? ;)
johnw
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I think the reason was that your G.platyphyllus is much much earlier than my G.platyphyllus ex Georgia ...it has startet with flowering in January ....and than so many nights cold without any snow :'(
Yes. :( That's the worse situation. :-\
Are bulbs still alive?
Olga ,
I hope my bulbs are still alive :-\
One has start with flowering in January ( from the other no sign )...but after the big frost it looks not well - so it seems I have still only one ....I will later repotting this plant and look ....
Hans
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Hans - Thanks.
I had read page 187 with valentinae as a synonym for krasnovii but it is not mentioned in his later krasnovii treatment in the Davies, Bishop, Grimshaw book.
In any event do you think it may struggle to send a shoot out later?
johnw
JohnW
There are some faults in the book of Grimsaw,Bishop,Davis ....there is also wrong with G.transcaucasicus ,artjuschenkoae ...it is always the same problem if you have not seen the plant in nature ...and only herbar plants is difficould
I will look later for this plants when I repot ..I hope there is anything alive ....
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Hans - re: your snowdrop
Maybe G. joschkoae sounds good? ;)
johnw
:o :o :o
JohnW :
why give a new name ?
This plant has a good name - with a good description !
To much of honor for me ::)
Hans
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Hans, John,
G. valentinae (named after Valentina not Valentine) was described by Grossgame. May be I will have some news on it a little bit later.
There are some faults in the book of Grimsaw,Bishop,Davis ....there is also wrong with G.transcaucasicus ,artjuschenkoae ...it is always the same problem if you have not seen the plant in nature ...and only herbar plants is difficould
Yes. There are a lot of questions on Caucasian snowdrops.
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Olga ,
in my books is written that this snowdrop was descriptet from A.A. Grossheim ( sounds like a german name ) -do you mean the same person ?
Hans
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Olga ,
after a little search I have found it :
Grossh. - Alexander Alfonsowitsch Grossheim (~ ~ Grossgeim, Alexander Alfonsovich Grossheim) (1888–1948)
Now I understand the little difference in writing ...russinan people speaks Grossheim as Grossgeim ( I had former a collgue on my work he told me that they speak G for a H - he told me that my name in russian language would be "Gans"
;D ;D ;D
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Hans - Thanks.
I had read page 187 with valentinae as a synonym for krasnovii but it is not mentioned in his later krasnovii treatment in the Davies, Bishop, Grimshaw book.
In any event do you think it may struggle to send a shoot out later?
johnw
JohnW
There are some faults in the book of Grimsaw,Bishop,Davis ....there is also wrong with G.transcaucasicus ,artjuschenkoae ...it is always the same problem if you have not seen the plant in nature ...and only herbar plants is difficould
I will look later for this plants when I repot ..I hope there is anything alive ....
Hans
As another forumist - no names mentioned - says: a taxonomist takes a plant, leaves it on the barbecue for 15 minutes then proceeds to describe it . ;)
Good luck with your plant.
johnw
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Gosh. :o I wonder if my "Belle Etoile" survived?
Nice to see Hagen's 'Belle Etoile'. Mine was up to 5 bulbs last year - but this year had gone back on itself to 2 bulbs (only one was flowering size :'( ) Fingers crossed it increases again for next year..... :-\
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Grossgame
Grossheim
Grossgeim
;D ;D ;D :o
I really do not know how to transliterate the name to keep the right pronunciation. And I was too lazy to look into books, sorry.
OK, 1:1. ;D
Yes we use hard G. In all German fairytales translated to Russian you can read Gans not Hans. And we say Genry not Henry. It's a feature of language. Like you say Olga but we say Ol'ga (soft L).
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Olga :
;D ;D ;D
Hans
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in Dutch Gans means goose ;D
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;) Loes
in german too !!!
:-X :-X :-X
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Ukrainian Galadrops for now at me ;D ;D ;D
Galanthus alpinus var. alpinus, ex Armenia and Georgia
Galanthus angustifolius, ex Karasu vil., C Caucasus, Russia
Galanthus fosteri, Turkey
Galanthus gracilis, Turkey
Galanthus graecus, ex Ukraine and Greece
Galanthus ikariae (Ikaria) and snogerupii (Andros, left row, bright green leaves)
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continued.....
Galanthus lagodechianus (syn. G. artjuschenkoae), ex N Armenia
Galanthus nivalis, ex Ukraine
Galanthus snogerupii, Andros
Galanthus transcaucasicus, ex Lerik vil., Talysh, Azerbaijan
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Good gallery Dimitri.
It seems the spring arrives Kiev this days.
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Great to see all these when our season is virtually over, and there are some lovely ones here Dimitri. Thank you
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Thanks, guys! really the drops season has just begun in Ukraine, so, I hope to present one more pics of them from my garden.
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I'm not "galanthophile" but this G. nivalis cv. 'Poculi Perfect' looks so wonderfull, that I decided to put its picture on forum.
Janis
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Fine poc Janis.
Your POCULI PERFECT could be a little step on the way to galanthophile?
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Is it 'Poculi-Perfect' or 'Poculi Perfect'?
Thanks for replying.
Wim