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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: karel_t on December 28, 2011, 05:40:29 PM
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;D ;D ;D Happy New Growing Season 2012! ;D ;D ;D
K.
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Same to you Karel and all the lovely people here.
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Hi all,
Happy New Year and may all your pleiones flower in abundance and gladden your hearts.
PS. Maggi, would it be an idea to rename this Pleione 2012 instead of PF so that we can find it again in future?
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Happy New Year to you all!
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In order to get the Pleione year started, here's my first one for this year... :D.... or is it the last one from last year... ::)
Pleione wharfedale "Pine Warbler"
(the lip is worth a close up I think ;) )
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Hi Luc, what a lovely new year's greeting. The plant is nice, too. ;) ;)
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Hello Luc,
Nice pictures, nothing better to brighten up a dull day.
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Pleione humilis is beginning to open its flowers here. Below are a few different forms, the first one being a splendid red-marked form from Butterfield. Those three flowering shoots are from one bulb; I tried giving this species extra heat last year and the improvement in growth, from a plant that barely used to survive year to year, has been remarkable.
Cheers,
Alex
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Great plants, Alex! :o
When did you provide extra heat - during the growing season or in winter? Usually cold temperatures are recommended for the winter storage of Pleione humilis.
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Hi Thomas,
I had always given them cooler temperatures year round, with little success. The extra heat was in the growing season, when they stood on a heated propagator base with the maculata, praecox etc. They seemed to love it. I can't see any benefit to doing this during the Winter as unlike maculata etc. there are no roots.
Alex
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Those look fabulous! I particularly like the first and third clones!
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Very interesting! I have always believed that humilis needed to be kept cold during the winter but a couple of years back I purchased some from Burnhams at an orchid fair, the price was too good to resist. Their label said minimum winter temperature 7 degrees. I asked around and was told to ignore it, but now I am wondering. Until the last few nights we have barely had a frost here, heating had gone on for one night only, and for the first time it looks like I will have humilis flowers in a few weeks time. I do not believe that bulb size is any bigger this year than last. I feel an experiment coming on next year.
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Very interesting! I feel an experiment coming on next year.
I know that feeling ;)... no pleiones now to speak of, but the Forum is always turning up other things that bear investigation..... no wonder the house is full of dust. ;D
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Very nice Alex,
Mine are still in the fridge and not looking like moving yet, unlike last year. The longer they stay dormant the better for me.
Much like you I have never done too well with humils, but will try the extra heat this summer.
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Very interesting. I'll try the heat treatment too, no harm in doing something different. :)
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Splendid humilis Alex - Nr1 is a real cracker !! :o :o
Very interesting info on the temperature matter ! Thanks !
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This humilis started flowering during last week of Jan and is on the same temperature as the praecox and maculata,approx 18C at night and 20C during the day.
I also have a number of saxicola on the same temperature since nov 1011 and they are showing some leaf growth since begin Jan 2012.
jan
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Jan,
Can you just confirm that your P. humilis doesn't have a cold dormancy. How long have you been doing this and do you think it is better because of it.
Graham
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Graham,
I only had these from the first week of Jan 2012 with strong shoots and the advice to 'apply gentle heat and moisture during winter period'.
I also grow warm , P. Barcena which all flowered strongly in Dec and now have 4 inches of leaf and strong roots.
And the same for P. Wharfdale 'Pinewarbler'
Jan
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Thanks Jan,
I understand now. If mine were showing signs of waking up I would do the same.
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Springwood Pleiones (http://www.sunsetdreamer.com/Springwood/PriceList2011.htm) states that Pleione humilis needs gentle warmth and moisture throughout winter. I always keep them dry in the coldest part of my pleione fridge but have to confess that I'm not really successful flowering them :-\
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By Ian, we should keep them at cold conditions in the winter. I have mine in average temperature from 0 to +2 °C (... last week -2°C ;D) and they flower usually in the first week in March. Nowadays they develop buds 1 cm long.
K.
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Flowering now Pleione Sirena. I've had 3 pseudobulbs, two of them have already flowered, one had blush pink petals/sepals and the other one nearly white ones.
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All done and no room for more..............
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Wow, you're efficient, half of mine are still left in their pots, and I can't even start thinking of re-potting them until the snow thaws and it's possible to find moss... :P
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Very impressive Maren... both the Sirena and the immaculate collection... but is'nt it terribly early for Sirena ?
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Wow Maren - that view is going to look fantastic when it is all in flower, please post a pic then.
Pete.
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Sirena is Pln forrestii x humilis. I guess it's the humilis that made it flower early. But I have to say, most of my pleiones are going crazy. The warm winter has set them off. My Zeus Weinstein are going to flower in a couple of weeks' time and the formosana are the same. Never had that problem before. Usually I have to push them to be out mid March for the London Orchid Show. I hope they haven't all flowered by then. :-[ :-[ :-[ ???
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That's quite a collection Maren.
A photo is a must when they are at their best.
Graham
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Graham thats exactly what I was thinking. Maren it must have took you ages.
Angie :)
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...and that's only a quarter of it. ;D ;D ;D And yes, Angie, it took me exactly 28 days, potting from 9-4, non-stop and from 6pm to 11pm preparing the compost: sieving the bark and perlite, chopping the sphagnum moss and mixing it all up.
Just Sunday mornings off to go horse-riding. 8) - Now I'm at a loose end...
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Ready for the flowering stampede ! ;D ;D
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Maren, thats brillant and all so neat and tidy. You must show us a picture of them in flower, thats if they aren't all sold before then.
Angie :)
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Look, they're flowering!!! ;) ;) ;)
Na, that was last year. Better pictures later. ;D
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That looks wonderful Maren!
Like the others I'm in awe of the amount of work in repotting! I'd decided to only repot my small collection every other year but changed my mind last week after extracting a few bulbs for swaps and discovering the old compost is sheltering lots of woodlice, centipedes and tiny slugs thanks to their being outside in a really wet summer. I worry these will browse on new roots. I can't say I relish the idea of standing in our greenhouse during this cold spell doing the job but needs must.
I'm also a bit surprised at seeing those humilis etc in flower already. Mine have flower buds but are a couple of weeks off flowering yet and the sudden cold weather is not helping.
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I can't say I relish the idea of standing in our greenhouse during this cold spell doing the job but needs must.
Darren what is wrong with using the dining room table?
I only have a few and will not be touching them for a couple of months.
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Magnificent plants these! Daren't get involved myself, so have to be a voyeur on this thread and admire such wonderful dedication and experience leading to superb quality. Absolutely lovely!
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Maren, that's a place I could easily spend hours in, even days. What a wonderful sight.
Tony, there is no chance of Darren using the dinning table it will be full of Susan's home work.
Angie :)
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Maren, that's a place I could easily spend hours in, even days. What a wonderful sight.
Tony, there is no chance of Darren using the dinning table it will be full of Susan's home work.
Angie :)
My word Angie - you can see into our house and we don't even have a webcam!!!! ;D ;D
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I can't say I relish the idea of standing in our greenhouse during this cold spell doing the job but needs must.
I only have a few and will not be touching them for a couple of months.
I'd like to get it done in the next few weeks as I've been approached by several people asking if I'm going to be selling surplus Pleione at the Blackpool show again this year. I wasn't, but if I've got some potted I might as well. The interest is really in species and I'm only going to have hybrids to spare but I'll give it a go. The 50+ pots I donated to the members stall last year all sold out within an hour and long before the doors opened to the public - making a tidy sum for the group :)
Also - those tiny slugs have been excavating holes in some of the pseudobulbs so I want the plants in fresh compost ASAP!
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The first one to flower with me this year is Pln. Kohala:
(http://www.ulrichbangert.de/orchid/2012-02_Pleione_Kohala.jpg)
Edit: Unfortunately uploading the photo as an attachment didn't work. Why is this?
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What a beauty !! ;D ;D
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Looking great, Ulrich.
It has to go on my "wanted" list ! :D
My first flowers are a couple of weeks away yet.
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I thought that my first flowers, Eiger and forrestii were imminent, but last night wiped them out. Despite my usual parafin heater working as normal, the temperature inside the greenhouse reached minus seven! Hopefully the bulk of my bulbs which have not yet started into growth will be fine, but these early flower buds turned to mush as it warmed up this afternoon. Lesson learned the hard way. Just makes me wonder how cold it was outside?
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Crumbs, Steve, that was a really low temp. when you were doing your best with a heater. A nasty surprise indeed and so frustrating when the flowers were so advanced. :'(
The freezing temperatures being recorded around England in this cold spell are real record breakers - I expect there will be a long list of plant casualties. Hard to know what else you might have done to protect your pleiones.
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Steve -sorry to hear about the loss - hopefully the growths will be OK and you've just lost the buds.
My computer told me that yesterday it was 7 degrees F locally at Bury St Edmunds in the morning!
Checked my pleiones but so far no sign of any growth whatsoever apart from 'Piton' and even here they are not yet 'shooting'. They're still sat unpotted in plastic bags in an unused fridge in the garage. It's pretty good at protecting them from serious low temps. I leave the fridge door open slightly when it's mild and close it when cold.
Not yet checked the greenhouse but I had a nice white Ipheion in full flower last week, I doubt it looks well now,
David
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I've found the answer to my own question. My own outdoor max-min recoreded minus 16 but I didn't believe it. Now the BBC tell me that Holbeach, which is just down the road had minus 15.6. Insane!
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I've had to bring a few indoors as they seem more advanced than last year. The mild winter must have started some in to growth just before it went freezing. Pleione humilis is doing OK on a cold windowsill and also Pleione Lucey but the problem with the extra heat is I find the flowers don't last that long with the tips browning quite fast. Pleione Riah Shan should be next.
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I thought that my first flowers, Eiger and forrestii were imminent, but last night wiped them out. Despite my usual parafin heater working as normal, the temperature inside the greenhouse reached minus seven! Hopefully the bulk of my bulbs which have not yet started into growth will be fine, but these early flower buds turned to mush as it warmed up this afternoon. Lesson learned the hard way. Just makes me wonder how cold it was outside?
Bad news mate. I gave up on the paraffin heaters a while back and bought a propane greenhouse heater with frost control. The frost control is not that accurate but I seem to keep my Pleione in the garage about +2 when it's very cold outside. Apart from the few indoors everything else is potted up and stacked up in the garage as its warmer than the greenhouse.
Works well and seems to last a long time with a big bottle - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-1-9KW-Propane-Bottle-gas-thermostatically-controlled-Greenhouse-Heater-/260935560205?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Garden_Structures_Fencing_CV&hash=item3cc0f8ac0d (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-1-9KW-Propane-Bottle-gas-thermostatically-controlled-Greenhouse-Heater-/260935560205?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Garden_Structures_Fencing_CV&hash=item3cc0f8ac0d)
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Hello everyone,
I am new at growing Pleiones and have a question about my Pleione Formosana. I have kept it in a cold dark cellar during the winter and noticed that 2 flowerbuds are appearing. I know I am supposed to start watering from now, but where do I place it once I have started watering?
Should I move it to a cold bedroom or would it be ok to move it into the living room?
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More experienced pleione growers than I will comment Rick.... but I would say that just because there are flower buds appearing, there is no hurry to water your bulbs. Just a light moisture in their substrate, perhaps, but not watering as such... we always waited until we actually saw root growth before we began to water. A very skillled pleione grower, the late Jack Crosland, taught us that method, saying it was too easy to rot the bulbs if water was applied too soon.
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Hi Rick,
Welcome to the world of Pleione's. I suspect that if you only have P. formosana at the moment when it flowers you will be hooked and more will follow.
The best advice can be found at the two web sites below.
Maggies advice is correct, (but then it always is), the only thing I would add it to move it to your cold bedroom, there is no point in rushing it into flower.
http://www.koolplants.co.uk/Pleione-Cultivation.html
http://www.pleione.info/
Graham
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I know that parafin heaters are not exactly state of the art but they coped fine with last winter when we had down to minus ten. Friday night was just silly, minus 16, with minus five as the high on Saturday. The frost in the garden was just spectacular. I took all the fleece off my plants today to inspect and I think that my only casualties were the pleiones in bud. The dormant, dry bulbs look fine which in some ways is encouraging, and confirms my thoughts that they can take the cold as long as they are not in bud or growing. of course time may prove me wrong. The proof will be in the flowering.
And David, your barbarae arrived at 4.30 on Friday afternoon. What did I do? Did I keep them inside for the night? Of course not I potted them up and put them outside to suffer with the rest, after all they only forecast minus six!
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@ Steve: But minus 16 is crazy for England..... what else could you have done?
@David.... that propane heater does look quite nifty.... you can hook it up to any size bottle, can you?
It's easier to get bottled gas than parafin now, isn't it?
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Hi Rick,
only just saw your post. I'd move the pleione into your cold bedroom and allow it to develop gradually. Re watering, Maggi's advice is perfect. A little dribble around the inside of the rim is usually enough. Your aim is to keep the compost just moist, not wet. Try to imagine what it would be like for the pleione out in nature. It would not sit in a bone dry environment, there would always be some moisture around the base of the bulbs.
Also consider the type of compost you have used. It's got to be very free draining and the pot must have side drainage or sit on pebbles so that any excess water can run out.
Finally, how deeply did you plant your bulb. 1/3 in and 2/3 out is ideal, that will help to protect it from rot.
Good luck and if you'd like more cultivation advice, you could take a look at my website.
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And David, your barbarae arrived at 4.30 on Friday afternoon. What did I do? Did I keep them inside for the night? Of course not I potted them up and put them outside to suffer with the rest, after all they only forecast minus six!
Let me know how you get on Steve and if they are lost I'll stick some others in the post to you but they may be a bit smaller. Too be honest x barbarae are not the best at freezing temperatures.
@ Maggi.... Yes you can put any size propane bottle on but may have to swap over the valve connector as BBQ type connectors are push on but larger bottles tend to have the screw fitting. Bottle in picture is 19kg and did last winter and is still only half empty/full due to the temperature control thermostat. This obviously depends where you’re trying to heat as well as if it was -16 it would have used much more by now. Although there is the initial cost of the heater and bottle, it works out far cheaper in the long run than using paraffin.
Sorry about pic quality but taken quickly in dark garage using phone.
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Hi,
my greenhouses are quite a long way from home, therefore I use an arrangement with two gas bottles, connected by an automatic changeover device. As you can see in the picture, there is an arrow on the changeover, pointing to the right hand bottle, and it is red. This means:
- the bottle pointed at is empty,
- supply has switched to the bottle on the left hand side,
- now is the time to order some more gas.
I order 2 bottles at a time, which saves on delivery cost. The first one is connected by the Calor delivery man and the second sits there until I need it and I connect it myself. One needs a special spanner for that, which I obtained from a chandlers' at Marlow Marina. People on boats use a lot of gas for cooking etc.
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Great info, Steve and Maren.... thanks :)
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We use this set up for our house. All of the parts required can be obtained at most camping/caravanning stores.
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Great info, Steve and Maren.... thanks :)
Glad to be of help ;D
Pleione Riah Shan, a new one for me.
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Wow, looks super !!!
Mine is hardly starting to move at present... ???
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Yes Rick you should also look at Marens web site, it will gives you good cultivation information just like the other two.
Maren - apologies for missing your site from my list. ???
http://www.heritageorchids.co.uk/
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Wow, looks super !!!
Mine is hardly starting to move at present... ???
Hi Luc
I've got another which has shown no signs of movement either so I'd not worry about it. Kept together all the time as well.
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Thanks for the advice everybody.
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Wow, looks super !!!
Mine is hardly starting to move at present... ???
Hi Luc
I've got another which has shown no signs of movement either so I'd not worry about it. Kept together all the time as well.
Funny lot they are... ;D but oh so interesting ! ;)
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Hi David,
very nice Riah Shan. I've seen this primary hybrid several times and I have to say, they look really very uniform.
Have anybody got an another clone of this hybrid?
K.
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Shan is obviously mountain, but what is Riah? Where did this one originate please?
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Hi David,
very nice Riah Shan. I've seen this primary hybrid several times and I have to say, they look really very uniform.
Have anybody got an another clone of this hybrid?
K.
yes ;)
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Shan is obviously mountain, but what is Riah? Where did this one originate please?
its fairly easy....................
breeder of this nice primary hybrid is the late Jan Berg, and he named it after his wife Ria(h).
Ria is a femal name in the Netherlands as well as in Germany and maybe some other countries.
his family name Berg means in english "mountain" or "Shan" in nepalese/ indian/ chinese
so this is just the "encrypted" name of his wifes name Ria Berg..................
:)
and it also explains the naming of his other hybrids
Liz Shan, Axel Shan, Jan Shan, Floor Shan, Marij Shan.
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Very interesting Dieter, I had never looked at it like that.
I grow some of Jan Berg's Eiger clones with special names as well, would you know the explanation for Eiger "To Ah" , E. "To be" and "To See" ??
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Was talking to a friend at our group meeting last night who, like me, has been inspired to restart their Pleione collection this year. He spent a significant sum on new stock this winter. Two days ago he discovered that since he last looked at them - less that two weeks ago - mice had eaten every last pseudobulb, plus the remainder of his old stock. :o :(
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Oh dear, those wretched mice, they get everywhere. After I potted pleiones, I found that mice been running over the tops and knocking bulbs sideways. And I have to cover the P. aurita with a clear plastic lid because mice are very partial to them and carry them off.
I have two mouse traps in active service and usually 'harvest' a dozen or so in a season. The bodies get thrown out on the expansive lawn where the red kites clear them away.
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Luc,
regarding the To Ah etc., I one asked Jac Wubben about this. He used to sell the Jan Berg creations. He told me it was that Jan could not be bothered to invent fancy names and called them: 2A, 2B and 2C, and to disguise this simplicity, he transformed the names into: "To Ah" , "To Be" and "To See". I hope that's true. ;)
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Jan was a very "creative" person in naming his hybrids.
I can imagine, that this is true,
BUT I DONT KNOW..............
cheers
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Sounds reasonable Maren ! Now, we still have to look out for "To Dee" and "To Eee"... ;D
Thanks a lot !
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I'm sorry if I disappointed those who saw a much more philosophical explanation:
To Ah - to admire and respect the beauty of nature, plants and pleiones in particular
To Bee - or not to bee, that is the question???
To See - to keep one's eyes open to the wonders of the world (and the mice that eat your pleiones in store).
The choice is yours. ;) ;) ;)
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Shan is obviously mountain, but what is Riah? Where did this one originate please?
and it also explains the naming of his other hybrids
Liz Shan, Axel Shan, Jan Shan, Floor Shan, Marij Shan.
Liz and Axel are the daughter and son and Floor and Marjin are his grandchildren.
The 'H' in Riah was just added to make it sound more international.
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Berg is Dutch for mountain
jan
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Today I finished repotting all our Pleiones ;D
The private collection (1 pot equals 1 clone):
(http://www.akerne-orchids.com/kbx/Pleione_greenhouse_1.jpg)
Overflow of the private collection on the middle row, the trays with the small bulbs and bulbils on the top row and at the back a few pots of Pterostylis:
(http://www.akerne-orchids.com/kbx/Pleione_greenhouse_2.jpg)
My working schedule has been the exact reverse of Marens: cleaning and potting in the evening after work and preparing the potting mixture during weekends during the day.
As you can see there are already a few in flower and that is because they are grown together with the cool growing orchids so they are always a bit more advanced...
Kenneth.
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A labour of love, obviously Kenneth. ;). Very nice to see your growing area, most interesting. Is there a protecting cover over the top or just shade netting? Are your plants open to the elements all year round? Must look magnificent when all are in flower, ;D
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That's just perfect Kenneth :D
Just the way I would arrange mine if I had the facilities and the numbers you have.
I love the way you have the same sorts of pots and the same number in each of the levels and trays.
Please show a photo of them when they are in flower.
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Following Kenneth's nursery link from his signature box... there are several photos of their growing houses 8)
http://www.akerne-orchids.com/nursery.php
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Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry impressive Kenneth ! :o
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Good eyes Maggi :o :o :o :o
Definitely not what I expected !!! Seeing those growing houses ..... mmmmm :-\ :-\ ??? 8) 8) don't know what to say. I am soooo amateur!!!
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Ron, always have a good look at the signature sections of posts... many forumists have their websites, blog spots etc listed there... also some have those only in their profile areas... worth checking out as you find your way around the place :)
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Wow!!!! And coming to Porto next month!!! :P :P
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Thnks Maggi. ;)
Note to self - engage eyes AND brain before mouth takes over! ;D
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Following Kenneth's nursery link from his signature box... there are several photos of their growing houses 8)
http://www.akerne-orchids.com/nursery.php
Yes, and if you look at the third picture (Cool sales house) you see green shading cloth blocking the path... behind there, that's where the Pleione collection is hiding ;-)
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Beautiful nursery, Kenneth. Very impressive. :)
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Hello Kenneth,
Your pleiones pots it's very beautiful , and nice !
Christian
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The first pleione of the year for me, apologies for the picture quality, they were taken just now in artificial lighting.
Picture 'a' shows the colour more accurately, I'll take some better photos when the flower opens up fully.
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let us start the season with a Pleione humilis series
clone 'A'
(http://www.akerne-orchids.com/kbx/Pleione_humilis_A-640x640.jpg)
clone 'B' with no yellow on the lip:
(http://www.akerne-orchids.com/kbx/Pleione_humilis_B-640x640.jpg)
clone [AO-08119] more brick red in colour as opposed to the previous two:
(http://www.akerne-orchids.com/kbx/Pleione_humilis_AO-08119-640x640.jpg)
clone [AO-08681], a recent addition to the collection which Paul should recognize, this is his medal winner :)
(http://www.akerne-orchids.com/kbx/Pleione_humilis_AO-08681-640x640.jpg)
clone 'Bigu Gomba' [AO-08684], a recent addition to the collection for which I can take no credit on getting it to flower
(http://www.akerne-orchids.com/kbx/Pleione_humilis_Bigu_Gomba_AO-08684-640x640.jpg)
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next Pleione Kituro 'Sulphur' [AO-08251]
(http://www.akerne-orchids.com/kbx/Pleione_Kituro_Sulphur_AO-08251-640x640.jpg)
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and the last one for 'today', Pleione Lhasa 'Blushes' [AO-08575]:
(http://www.akerne-orchids.com/kbx/Pleione_Lhasa_Blushes_AO-08575-640x640.jpg)
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I like your Humilis AO-08119! Not so sure about the yellow creeping into the previous photo which is similar to one seen earlier this month.
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Nice pleiones, Kenneth, mine are a few days behind. :)
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Nice pleiones, Kenneth, mine are a few days behind. :)
Glad you said that Maren - I was worried my humilis and forrestii were being unusually late. I estimate at least another week to 10 days before humilis flowers.
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Well worth waiting for though, ;). Once here they'll be gone soon enough, anticipation is part of the excitement, ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Darren,
you're doing it the proper way. I am trying to coax them along a bit with higher temperatures so that they flower by the 14th March. It's not an easy thing to do, especially when one hasn't got proper facilities. Calorgas have been especially unhelpful by not delivering gas when promised, just when we had the recent cold spell. My fingernails are worn down to nothing.
As a result of my cranking up the heat (10degrees C minimum), strange things have happened. The P. Zeus Weinstein have been and gone, the first batch didn't like it one bit, but there is another one coming in a cooler place. The P. formosana are in full bud and looking really nice - drat and double drat; they'll be over by the required date. I have taken one batch and put it with some cypripediums in a cold frame. This is probably asking for trouble, but it'll be interesting to see what happens.
I call it lifelong education. Win a few, loose a few ;) ;) ;)
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Very nice Pleiones and wonderfull pictures Kenneth,especially the medal winner :o. I just have to start with P formosana. Normely i keep them in the garden,but these bulbs i got from the local gardencentre.........
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Lovely photos of some fantastic humilis, my clone from Paul (clone [AO-08681]) are still another 10-14 days off opening as well.
Don't know why my camera is struggling so much with getting a half decent picture of this but Pleione forrestii:
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Nothing wrong with P. formosana, though I find it not easy to grow (contrary to the usual view). It is - so far - the only Pleione produced in large numbers for the general horticultural market. One Dutch company produced 20,000 P. formosana last year for supply to garden centres. Typically for the Dutch nurseries still, they grow them in pure peat.
Paul
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The first for me are traditionally P. humilis. The plants safely survived a temperature -2°C a couple weeks ago with flower buds without any damage.
K.
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Nice flower, Karel.
Here is a very pale form of Pleione Piton. I rather like it and can't wait for it to multiply into a bowlful.
And another P. Piton, in the more usual colours.
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Both delightful Maren, but love that 50a. :o :o
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Lovely Piton, Maren - my Piton is 3 or 4 weeks away yet !
My first of the season is new to me : Pleione 'Sirena' - surprised me with a twin flower :D
a forrestii x humilis cross, where humilis clearly prevails !
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That is a really lovely clone Luc!
Of Maren's two Pitons I prefer the first as it is closest to yunnanensis - my favourite species - but I like both of them.
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wow, that's a stunning 'Sirena' not at all what I expected of that cross! But it looks to have good stature despite the strong humilis influence.
I'm still waiting patiently for my clone to flower this year for the first time.
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Very pretty Sirena Luc.
Pleione forrestii now starting to flower and Pleione Lucey.
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Pleione humilis, this is a very big bulb for humilis compared to the 'normal' ones. Very much like the Pleione humilis Bigu Gompa sold at Wubben.
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Hi David, agreed, yours is exceptionally large. :) :) :) Nice shape flower, too.
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Lovely, lovely flowers everyone! I'm forrestii yellow with envy.
Surprisingly early to me. Mine won't flower for another month or two. They just came out of the garage today because I see a hint of expansion in the buds. l keep them there in winter to protect from freeze and moisture.
I have seen a huge patch about 10' x 10' under Douglas firs. It was a "magenta pink" wild collected species - unnamed - in an old uncared for garden here in Washington State. Been there for years. Stunning.
If there are any pleione collectors in the U.S. willing to trade or sell or know of nurseries here who sell more then one variety, please feel free to private email me. I can't believe there aren't more of us here.
I'm willing to import from Europe and the UK but dormant season being winter I worry about freezing enroute. Has anyone in the U.S. had any experience doing this successfully?
Jim
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I'm willing to import from Europe and the UK but dormant season being winter I worry about freezing enroute. Has anyone in the U.S. had any experience doing this successfully? Jim
Jim - I have imported plants from Europe as late as early December and have never had freeze damage. Would this not be a suitable time to ship dormant Pleiones?
I have had a shipment of rhododendron cuttings freeze in October. They were shipped Fedex going Halifax to Vancouver. They later told me they could not guarantee live material would not freeze in their cargo hold. I don't know if they froze on a stop-over in the Prairies or they were flying at an extreme altitude or someone left a window open. Intra-Canada mail here is a real hazard from mid-December till late March as one can never tell where the mailbags will have a stop-over.
I suppose you've perused Fraser's Thimble Farms latest catalogue - lots of Pleiones.
johnw
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Hi David, agreed, yours is exceptionally large. :) :) :) Nice shape flower, too.
Others would have to agree with you Maren ;) Below shows how much bigger these bulbs get compared to other humilis. The bigger bulb has been placed in a bowl of flowering size Pleione humilis Farrer Medal from Paul C which have now finished flowering and had the old heads removed to make the comparison easier.
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Really nice Pleione gems are already flowering for all of you!
Here Pleione Lhasa 'Blushes' is the first one to flower - a great cross! :D
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Jim - I have imported plants from Europe as late as early December and have never had freeze damage. Would this not be a suitable time to ship dormant Pleiones?
I have had a shipment of rhododendron cuttings freeze in October. They were shipped Fedex going Halifax to Vancouver. They later told me they could not guarantee live material would not freeze in their cargo hold. I don't know if they froze on a stop-over in the Prairies or they were flying at an extreme altitude or someone left a window open. Intra-Canada mail here is a real hazard from mid-December till late March as one can never tell where the mailbags will have a stop-over.
I suppose you've perused Fraser's Thimble Farms latest catalogue - lots of Pleiones.
johnw
Thanks for the information. It's worth a try then. One just never knows. I could buy insurance against freeze and have a temperature recorder placed in the box. I have heard of that done - along with insurance if it does freeze.
I have looked a Fraser's Thimble Farms, Canada, and its very good selection. Importation is the rub again.
Jim
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Hello
Just test for my picture (Oncidium?)
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Pleione Alishan Merlin is in flower.
I'm experimenting focus stacking on these photos, I need to find some better background but here are the results:
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Very sharp photos of a lovely plant Enrico - the focus stacking has certainly been effective. I realy should do more of it....
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In my ignorance, I have no idea what "focus stacking" might be.... but I like the results!
Went searching... found this : http://www.digital-photography-school.com/an-introduction-to-focus-stacking .... which seems to explain the technique quite well........ :-\ ;)
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Yes, it is a good explaination of the manual procedure... I chose the "easy way"... In short I connected my camera to a netbook and, after setting a few parameters, the camera was used to take a sequence of shots with different focus (piloted by a program named dlsr bracketeer). The sequence of shots was given to a second program (combineZP) that isolated the focused portion of each image and combined all the focused parts together in one image. The result is an image with a very extended depth of field.
If you are interested these are all the results of the experiment on this flower (same subject, different background / light and so on):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/enrico_dutti/sets/72157629545377605/with/6966416527/
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Enrico, this is most interesting, thank you.
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Nice Pleione en good shots Enrico !
I have Pleione eiger - cream form in flower at the moment.
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Very nice early start everyone.
Mine are weeks away - even humilis.
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hello ,
Here this is my pleione these day , the first flowering is Formosana 'Clare'
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This Sifaka clone is flowering now for the 2nd time and is better than last year. Agood sized flower & depth of yellow and is a good grower.
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Peter,
a fantastic Sifaka.
We're still very short of good yellow hybrids.
Is it darker than Shantung 'Ducat'?
You ought to have it propagated!
David
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Fantastic Pete !!!
Wish I could find it... :(
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Lovely Sifaka Pete. Should have a few flowering this year so it will be interesting to see the variation. If it's anything like yours I'll be very happy chap.
Pleione Danan is a new one for me and not very interesting but another photo to add to the collection.
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The Sifaka lip is a little darker than Ducat and the equal of a good forrestii. The petals have a very slight reddish veining (which is picked up by my camera & had to be "Photoshop" corrected. It certainly will be a keeper.
I have another 10-12 clones ready to flower, some for the first time and I will try to show these in due course.
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Peter,
looking forward to seeing more of your Sifakas.
I have a couple just bought this winter.
I hope they are as good as this one!
David
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That Sifaka is great! :D
I got this Eiger from Potterton's as 'Cream Form' but to me it looks rather like 'Snowflake'. What do you think?
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Here is the other coloured clone of my Sifaka's.
Others are opening but I shall be away for a week. I hope they last ok with this warm weather anticipated.
Thomas, your cream Eiger dosn't look like mine, which has much browner lip markings & darker coloured bulbs. It is nice though.
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Hi ThomasB,
looks like P. Eiger 'Snowflake' to me.
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Hello,
Here the flowering of Pleione , is Fomosana 'Clare' and 'Cairngorm'
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Cairngorm is always nice! Mine is still quite some time from flowering.
I happened to find this homepage (http://orchisrafa.blogspot.com/search/label/Pleione) which shows some Pleiones (true P. albiflora it seems!). But does this one (http://orchisrafa.blogspot.com/2011/04/pelione-aurita-pj-cribb-hpfennig-1988.html) look like Pleione aurita to you? Lip and column are more like hookeriana, aren't they?
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Looks like Pln Aurita (sort of) but certainly not the best clone with an odd shape and lip mark. Looking at the size of the bulb it's definitely not Pln. hookeriana but could be a cross as I can see where you are coming from regarding the hookeriana characteristics. Looking at all the images they don't seem that great as the flowers are not a nice shape in most of the shots.
Pictures below are Pln. Eiger Pinchbeck Diamond which is quite heavily scented and a remake of Pleione Krakatoa which was done by Paul Cumbleton, flowers from quite small bulbs (pic below).
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Love that Krakatoa David. I too got a few bulbs of this from Paul last autumn and the first is about to open. His Lucey opened earlier this week and is lovely. The anticipation reminds me of the excitement I felt when I bought my first pleione 20 years ago and I'm so pleased I started to collect them again. :) :)
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I love Krakatoa too :D Nice colors ::)
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I agree with the above, David - excellent Krakatoa !!
The anticipation reminds me of the excitement I felt when I bought my first pleione 20 years ago and I'm so pleased I started to collect them again. :) :)
I see what you mean Darren - it's like a first schoolday over and over again... ;D
I had two eiger clones opening today !
1-2-3 : Pleione eiger "Snowflake"
4-5-6 : Pleione eiger "To Ah" - Jan Berg's recross using Pl. formosana alba.
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A+ for first day in class Luc, ;D ;D
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I never did that well Ron... ;D
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mmmmmmmm............ I think you just did, ;D ;D ;D
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Maren has closed her 'ratty' thread so I'm going to put this here. David at Koolplants pointed out an odd pseudobulb in one of Maren's pictures which had produced a flowering shoot from the apex of the bulb. Maren says this bulb was formosana. Much to my amazement I found the same thing on a bulb of 'Eiger' this morning.
The circumstances of my finding it might prompt a smile (though I was swearing at my own stupidity at the time). I took the pan out of the greenhouse to clean it up for a show. I spotted some dirt on the pot and went to rub it off whilst holding the pot on the edge of an open water barrel. You can guess what happened next...
I luckily managed to grab the pot before it sank but the compost and all the plants had floated free.. There is a bright side - All the bulbs (which had short roots already) were then free for me to arrange them back in the pot in a more pleasing arrangement :)
But now I'm going back out to empty the barrel and clean it. :-[
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This one is definitely stealing the show in the greenhouse at the moment.
Mandalay 'Strawberry Fields' from Ian Butterfield.
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It IS a beauty Jan ! :o
It's a cross from S. James, though, not one of Ian's.
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Hello JAN ,
Mandalay 'Strawberry Fields' is very beautiful , with its salmon pink , I plan to get it later this year !
Pleiones your Jan start to flare , I looked forward to the bloom !
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Hi Jan, very nice. I have both clones of Ian's but mine are weeks off flowering.
Luc, the hybrid was first registered by S.James but Ian does sell it and I believe but could be wrong he also made this cross himself as well but was beaten to registration and sells different named selected cultivars from his own cross. The one above which is Pln. Mandalay 'Strwberry Fields' and the other is Pln. Mandalay 'Purple Rain'.
I prefer your Pln. Eiger 'To AH' to 'Snowflake' but both are nice.
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Hi Jan, very nice P. Mandalay 'Strawberry Fields'.
I add the picture which I took two years ago in Ian's greenhouse ;D.
K.
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Love it! bought it from Ian a few months ago but wasn't quite sure what it would be like, now looking forward to it flowering very much!
Alex
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P. Mandalay 'Strawberry Fields' is stunning! :o
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Hekla clones are flowering, both have quite nodding flowers.
'Locking Stumps' is a bit darker than 'Partridge'.
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The second Pleione flowering with me is P. Callisto, a gift plant from Ian Butterfield.
Actually P. Eiger 'Snowflake' should have been the second one but unfortunately it did not open its two flowers.
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I am a real novice at growing Pleiones. I started with Pleione Formosana last year.
Looking at the results however I am really happy and will certainly try growing other Pleiones from now on. ;D
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The season will be in full swing soon !
Two more in flower today :
Pl. forrestii
Pl. rakata "Shot Silk" - giant double flowers :D - one is upside down... ;D - Result of a Forum Swap ! Thanks Darren !!
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Pleione San Salvador
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Hello ,
Beautiful Pleione San Salvador , and like at the nice Pleione Rakata 'Shot Silk'
Nice couleurs !
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I used to grow a few Pleiones many years ago but they all eventually died. In 2006 or 07 I bought Pleione 'Rakata' and 'Blush of Dawn' from the Srgc stall at the Perth Show. I then bought P. formosana & P.formosana 'Alba' at a garden centre. 'Blush of Dawn' and 'Alba' are long gone but the other two are bursting out of 7cm pots.(must repot them very soon).
Last year at the Nottingham Conference I bought Pleione forrestii from John Amand's stall. It was a dry pseudobulb with roots starting to form and the remains of an aborted flower. It grew away quite well. It spent the winter dry under the bench and has not been repotted. We did not have too many relly cold nights and I managed to get my gas heater lit a lot earlier than last winter. To my surprise it produced a flower bud which took ages to open, but here it is.
Pleione forrestii
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And what a beauty it is as well. Good strong colours and a nice frilly lip.
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Really nice Roma.
Angie :)
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I have in last year some Pleiones received from a really nice person from this forum ;)
She was not so 100% shure with the names ...but maybe some specialist can confirm me the ID
Today is open :
Pleione formosa
is it correct ?
Thank you
Hans
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That's Pleione formosana all right Hans !
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Thank you Luc - thats a good news !
Hans
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Out today : P. Caparro
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Impressed with this P.Novarupta 'Raven'
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Hi,
I have lost the name of this hybrid so can somebody tell me what it can be?
thanks, vit
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I don't think it's a hybrid. It looks very much like P. formosana.
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Yes Lars it could be ;)
K.
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hey, the first Pleiones open for me this year:
Pleione formosana 'Clare'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20120320-161903-33.jpg)
and closeup
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20120320-161903-851.jpg)
Pleione Lhasa 'Snow Ball'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20120320-161903-550.jpg)
enjoy
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THIS Picture is Pleione Bulbocodioides
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Pleione Piton
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This Pleione at the name , Formosana ! , its very dark pink for my !
Please give my a name for the Pleione
Thank you very munch
Christian
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Christian, your P. bulbocodioides looks more like P. Brittania 'Doreen'.
K.
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My Pleione did start a little later, but they are rapidly catching up. Here's some of them:
P. humilis
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/phumilissm.jpg)
P. Snow Monkey
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/PSnowMonkey-edit.jpg)
P. Danan
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/Pdanan-edit.jpg)
ANd a huge flower on P. Sifaka
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/PSifaka-edit.jpg)
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Pleione Snow Monkey have started opening up. Again some of these are flowering from very small bulbs and need potting up a little deeper to stop them falling over when in flower.
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David, your order in greenhouse and rectangular bowls are stunning. What kind of them do you use?
K.
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Hi Karel
They are just deep seed trays but the more robust type. The green ones pictured are made in the UK by Stewart but you can get black ones in most garden centers or DIY shops. They are about the same depth as shallow pans or half pots but I don't lose space which we all seem to run out
http://www.stewartcompany.co.uk/planter-collection/99-premium-seed-tray-with-holes.html (http://www.stewartcompany.co.uk/planter-collection/99-premium-seed-tray-with-holes.html)
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I love the yellow suffusion on the lips of 'Snow Monkey' - a desirable cross! ;)
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Thanks David, that's a good tip. I'll look around for them in London. You're right, we all have a small space for these small plants ;D
K.
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Hallo Slug Killer,
that Snow Monkey is really lovely. Amazing, such a big flower produced by such a small bulb!
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One of my Pleiones has produced two flowers on the one stalk. Is this unusual ?
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Nice one, David, and so long lasting. Here is one of mine.
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TC - No it's not unusual to get two flowers but some hybrids/species do it more than others.
You make them look very tall from that angle Maren :) Some nice clones there.
Pleione Paricutin
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David/Maren,
lovely photos of Snow Monkey. I'm also surprised just how small some of the bulbs are of this cross when they can flower. I'll post mine soon. Received four bulbs and didn't expect any to flower. It looks like all four will.
Here is a nice pot of Piton. Flowering well this year. Always my first hybrid to flower,
Regards,
David
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One of my Pleiones has produced two flowers on the one stalk. Is this unusual ?
I don't know in the wider scheme of things, Tom, but we used to get odd ones with twin flowers in the days when we grew quite a lot of pleiones. We put it down to luck, though I expect there may be some types that are more prone to this doubling than others. :-\
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Hello Tom,
It's generally not unusual to get two flowers. I've even had 3, but that has only happened once. Still, i'd say it's a sign of good culture :)
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My culture for pleiones is benign neglect. After flowering, they are put outside and left to their own devices. Watering is never a problem here. When the chance of frost comes in Autumn, the pots are put in the greenhouse and left to fend for themselves. I have a few coming up in the garden which survived the heavy frosts of last Winter and the almost continuous rain of this Winter. It's when I try to interfere with them by pretending that I know what I am doing, that the trouble starts.
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The Pleione season is nearing cruising speed !!
Some great "Snow Monkey's" around !! ;)
1 and 2) Pl. Betty Arnold
3 and 4) Pl. burrator is new in my collection - it clearly shows it's coronaria genes ! :D
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That Burrator is beautiful.
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Hi Luc
The Pleione Burrator is very nice and as you say you can certainly see the coronaria in it, especially the lip markings. Is the image of Betty Arnold true to colour? Looks washed out and I'm just wondering if this is how it really is or your camera settings?
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I'm afraid the Betty Arnold is pretty true to colour David - my clone seems to be less colourful than yours.
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The P Burrator is very beautiful and quite like the P Santorini 'Yellow Wagtail'. One reconice the P coronaria as one of the parrents.
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By the way, this is properly the most fascinating time of year - Pleione-time. Here is some from this spring.
Pleione Angwatibo
Pleione Anastice Harris
Pleione Kenya 'Bald Eagel'
Pleione Lhasa Blushes
Pleione Marimonda
Pleione Snow Monkey
Pleione Whakari
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Impressive series Erling ! :o :o
Marimonda is one I have not seen before !
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See what you mean about the Santorini look a like. Some nice Pleione there Erf, the Marimonda is very pretty.
Pleione Snow Monkey but with more yunnanensis showing in the petals.
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Great start to your seasons - keep showing.
I would love to join in but only had one measly humilis flower not worth showing, although forrestii aren't far off
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2 of my favourites P. Michael Butterfield and Quizapu 'Peregrine'
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Couple of nice ones there Jan. I'll have Lyn Butterfield open soon but Michael is about a week away.
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Thanks David.
The actual colour of Michael Butterfield is slightly darker (as i see it) but the camera disagrees.
I think the average temperature advantage down here makes quite a difference.
The greenhouse has several large propagators which also add an extra 2 degrees C at night.
jan
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Hello TOM ,
The specie Pleione your interests me because it really looks like my kind which I do not know the name , and also 2 flowers , the colors are similar , how can you call it ?
Thank
Christian
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Hello JAN
The color of pleiones are beautiful , I love Michael B. , Quizapu 'Pelerin' , Caparro and Novarupta 'Raven' ,
You will have the stock sale season ?
Cordially
Christian
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Hello Luc ,
I also love Betty Arnold , beautiful color ! and Burrator very nice !
Cordially
Christian
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I also like Burrator alot. One for the wants list now.
Pleione Rakata x grandiflora, flowering for the first time from a batch of seedlings. Might be bigger and better next year.
Pl. Edgecombe.
Pl. grandiflora.
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You all have really beautiful pleiones! This is my first pleione ever to bloom ;D I bought some very nice bulbs from Arisaema this spring. P. formosana is also sending up a flower soon and i hope to see p. grandiflora coming up soon too :-*
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Pete
So will this be your first registered cross? Rakata x grandiflora
Lillii, this may be your first but I doubt it will be your last, welcome to the club.
Pleione Lyn Butterfield and Pleione Lhasa Blushes. Also Pleione Wharfedale which are growing fast this year.
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hey,
this Pleione was wrong labelled, when I bought some hybrids recently.
Is it Pln. grandiflora?
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20120323-123706-273.jpg)
cheers
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David
I really like the P Lyn Butterfield, so beautiful. Your P Lhasa Blushes is also smashing - much more rosa tinted than my one.
Pete
Congratulation one the Rakata x grandiflora - is it ready for a name.
Here is a little fresh blooming ones from DK
Regards Erling
Pleione grandiflora
Pleione grandiflora 'yellow lib' - but not that yellow :)
Pleione Krakatoa
Pleione Shantung 'Silver Anniversary'
Pleione Gerry Mundey
Pleione Leda - yellow
Pleione Leda - white
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Hi Jan
I can understand why the P. Michael Butterfield and Quizapu 'Peregrine' is among your favorites. The P. Michael Butterfiels is so, so colorful and beautiful. My P Quizapu 'Peregrine' is 1-2 days from flowering. I had it flowering last year for the first time, but this year I thing the flower is 50% larger. Looking forward to see it.
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Some lovely flowers being shown.
My favourite is Michael Butterfield.
I also really like Quizapu 'Peregrine' but find it a pig to grow.
I've lost it on two separate occasions.
Anyone got some advice? more moss?
thanks,
David
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Erf
That Krakatoa is a beauty.
David, I think Quizapu is one of these pleione that do well for a few years and then have an 'off' year but luckily seem to make a comeback. Mine went backwards but seem to have made a full recovery producing large 3 growth bulbs last year, fingers crossed for this year. I don't doubt there will be someone else along shortly that can help you more. They are quite stunning.
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hey,
this Pleione was wrong labelled, when I bought some hybrids recently.
Is it Pln. grandiflora?
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20120323-123706-273.jpg)
cheers
This could be grandiflora but the flower shape is not typical, compared to mine. What is the bulb like and what was is meant to be?
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David - sadly I cannot register the Rakata x grandiflora as it is not my cross.
I was given some seedlings to raise by a very generous person. I should have another to show in a few weeks.
I also have some other unreg. crosses which look like flowering for the first time soon.
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hey,
this Pleione was wrong labelled, when I bought some hybrids recently.
Is it Pln. grandiflora?
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20120323-123706-273.jpg)
cheers
It looks a lot like P. eiger - cream form that I showed earlier !
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What a lot of superb Pleiones - a lot of new ones being shown !
Thanks everyone !!!
I have a few more myself :
1-2 : Pl. eiger "To be" - sister of "To Ah" shown earlier
3) Pl. eiger "To Ah" is continuing
4 - 5 : Pl. quizapu "Peregrine"
6 - 7 : first of two clones of Pl. sifaka
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Luc
Again, that Pl. Quizapu "Peregrine" is a beauty, but I realy like your Eiger 'To be'. This is a stunning time of year with all these pleione on fire. It is realy worth all the winter to wait.
Nice weekeen to you all
Erling
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hey,
this Pleione was wrong labelled, when I bought some hybrids recently.
Is it Pln. grandiflora?
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20120323-123706-273.jpg)
cheers
Could also be Glacier Peak.
It looks a lot like P. eiger - cream form that I showed earlier !
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Could be. If it is, you've got a bargain ;) ;) ;).
Here is a picture of one of my Pleione Glacier Peak. The lip colouring of mine is more reddish, but there are variations, just as there are in the P. grandiflora parent.
Rareplants have a picture that looks very much like yours.
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today : Pleione yunnanensis ...correct ?
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Yes it's correct Hans and very nice it is as well.
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Thank you David :D
Hans 8)
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Lucey and 2 similar clones of Krakatoa.
I'm really impressed with the Krakatoa - good strong forrestii colouring but on a better stem.
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Santorini 'Yellow Wagtail', The warm weather is bringing out the flowers even faster.
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A few from today - 2 clones of forrestii (the first is a very large flower), Snow Monkey and Krakatoa, which is from Paul Cumbleton and is a much nicer clone than other Krakatoa I have seen (and grown) recently.
Alex
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It is nice to see people posting pictures of the Pleiones they got from me, I'm glad they are performing for you. Snow Monkey is definitely in my own top ten as one of the best of the hybrids I've done and it seems popular generally. The best clones have very deep golden yellow lips and I selected one or two of these out to grow on as separate clones which I will probably give a cultivar name to. But some of you may have one anyway as what I sold were mixed seedlings.
It's also interesting to see the pictures where some of you have repeated some of the same crosses I have done - the results are in some cases very similar, in others a bit different and some are better than mine. This will all be down to the particular clones chosen as parents and also to which way round you didi the cross. It would be interesting to know whichyou used as seed parent and which as pollen parent, so results can be compared more meaningfully.
My own flowering season is in full swing now with lots of colour in the Pleione house. Many things are earlier than usual in the warm weather. I've been extremely busy recently with either work or other things on every weekend this month, but I hope I can soon get a bit of time to take some pictures to share.
Paul
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Hi Paul
All the Pleione I had from you are doing very well and the biggest shock is the size that some of these bulbs are flowering from both in Pln. Snow Monkey and Pln. Krakatoa (they are tiny bulbs). Funny you should mention selecting clones as I've just been seperating some white/yellow centered Snow Monkey from Pink/yellow centered Snow Monkey and also been making a few selections from the Pln. Krakatoa from the darker ones to the more yellow ones. Not selected any individual clones but just colour variations.
Hopefully have Pln. Marimonda flower soon as from the one picture I've seen so far looks like one of the best Pleione hybrids I've seen (my opinion).
Perhaps you can take some pictures of things to come from you in the near future?
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Hi Paul,
I didn't know you had a yellow form of Snow Monkey. I have the white form and I am very happy with it. I hope it reproduces well so there will soon be a potful to cherish.
Hope you find some time to show your latest crop, always something to admire. :) :) :)
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This could be grandiflora but the flower shape is not typical, compared to mine. What is the bulb like and what was is meant to be?
hello forumers,
thanks for your help so far.....................
just look at this bulb,
it look fairly the same like other bulbs of a "pure white" cultivar,
where this was included and not to determe as different.
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20120325-131708-630.jpg)
compared with my "grandiflora" it indeed looks different......
yes, the flower somewhat looks like the Eiger "creme".......................
( and how looks the bulb of Eiger creme? )
so it will be a good idea to ask the seller, what it might be,
because by accident some cultivars were mixed in his collection
and now flower for him also "mixed"
or he has a different pot, only with this cultivar.
thanks
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Hi Maren,
The best Snow Monkey are not yellow all over, just the lips. An example below.
My yellow Krakatoa turn pink as the flower ages, to the colour as in David's photo. Ian Butterfield's clone called 'Wheatear' does the same thing. Some clones have some red streaking on the petals.
Paul
Pleione Snow Monkey (yellow lipped):
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Hi Paul,
I didn't know you had a yellow form of Snow Monkey. I have the white form and I am very happy with it. I hope it reproduces well so there will soon be a potful to cherish.
Hope you find some time to show your latest crop, always something to admire. :) :) :)
Hi Maren
I think you will find Paul is referring to the yellow in the lip not the whole flower as opposed to the one shown a few posts back by Alex which is missing the yellow 'background' colour.
(Sorry posted same time as Paul)
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Oh I see. Thanks Paul and David for making this clear.
Well, Paul, I do like the Snow Monkey with the yellow lip. May I join the waiting list please ?;D ;D ;D
By the way, I keep all of Paul's pleiones at home in my personal collection. Which is just as well; caught my third rat in the pleione house at the nursery. I'll keep vigilant.
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So many wonderful plants, hopefully both 'Peregrine' and 'Yellow Wagtail' will make it to Norway eventually...
P. forrestii f. alba below.
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Arisaema, The forrestii alba/semi alba in the front has a nice shape to it and looks quite a large flower.
A little but annoyed with what I think must have been a bumble bee in the greenhouse who has dived straight in and pollinated Pln. x confusa and Pln. Michael Buttefield as they were half way open. I could see the pollen sacks hanging down and on closer inspection the pollinia stuck. As they were next to each other I now have no idea if self pollinated of crossed ???
Couple more, Pleione Captain Hook and Pleione Kilauea Hoopoe
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David,
I have the same problem with bumblebees.
Always pollinating open pleione flowers.
I sometimes use light weight fleece over the growing plants to stop this.
Not sure if this has yet been posted.
Another of Paul's hybrids, new to me this year, Siamang.
As with Snow Monkey, it is flowering on a small bulb
Nice lip and pretty parallel darker lines along the petals,
Regards,
David
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Nope, first time I've seen Siamang and I do like the lines in the petals. Mine should be open any day but the first flower seems to have started tipping to one side (maybe looking for light?).
A few more today Pleione Quizapu Peregrine, Pleione x confusa and Pleione Michael Butterfield.
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And a few more Pleione blooming in Denmark in marts
Pleione Uli Wackernagel 'Pearl'
Pleione Rakata
Pleione Betty Arnold
Unfortunately I have to leave them for the next 3 weeks, since I am on a holyday leave to China together with my wife to celebrate our silver anniversary. (quite pleased with my Pleione Shantung 'Silver anniversary' flowered before we left :-)
My daughter is left home to take care of my plants and take pictures of the next flowering plants.
Kind regards
Erling
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Erling, may I wish you and your wife congratulations on your silver wedding and all best wishes for your special trip? I'm sure your daughter will take good care of the plants while you are away... and take plenty pictures so you can see what was flowering in your absence.
Happy Holiday!
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How can you leave your babies alone Erling ?? >:( ;D ;)
Have a good trip ! Maybe you see some Pleiones in the wild in China !
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Leaving my babies alone is definitely a hard one. But we are going to the Yunnan province, and I do hope to find some new babies in the wild. But thank you all. We have really been looking forward to this trip.
Erling
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Hello
What's is name ?
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What's is name ?
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Here is my Siamang, came into flower today.
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Hello
What's is name ?
They all look like P. formosana.
K.
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Hi sottych
It could be Pleione Tongariro
Attached is my own P Tongariro 'Jackdaw' to compare with
Kind regards
Erling
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It could be Pleione Tongariro
Erling
Bingo! ;)
K.
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Does anyone know where Ueli Wackernagel 'PEARL' originated from?
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today a very nice flower :D
received as Pleione aurita ...but I fear this name is wrong :-\
any ideas for the ID ?
Thank you
Hans
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Here is a picture of aurita that I snapped at Thimble Farms on Saltspring Island, British Columbia, a few years ago.
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Hello Karel and erf !
I also think of Tongariro
Like to aurita of HANS J. ? Do you no ?
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many thanks to all :D
I believe you are right with "Tongariro"
I'm glad that I have now a name for this pretty plant ...and I hope one day I will also get a true P.aurita !
Regards
Hans
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Hi David,
The Ueli Wackernagel was a cross made by the late Jan Berg. I thought this pale clone was particularly good and Jan kindly allowed me to give it a cultivar name, so I was responsible for 'Pearl'
Paul
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Hi Paul,
on your website you have pictures of Ueli Wackerngel, one pale and one dark. Is the pale one the clone 'Pearl'?
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Glacier Peak
" " Note a 3 flowered stem behind, the first I have had, but one bud is failing before opening.
Rakata "Keith Rattray" - a huge flower.
Sifaka - various clones. Unfortunately my camera won't reproduce the true yellow, the petals come out with a very pink overlay. Sifaka 9 is a nice lemon yellow.
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Hi David,
The Ueli Wackernagel was a cross made by the late Jan Berg. I thought this pale clone was particularly good and Jan kindly allowed me to give it a cultivar name, so I was responsible for 'Pearl'
Paul
Thanks for the info Paul.
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Hi Maren,
yes, the pale one on my website is indeed 'Pearl'. I should label it accordingly - the pictures were on the site before I gave it the name.
Paul
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Hi Paul
I really like your Sifaka (9). Can I be on a waitinglist for that particular clone ;)
Regards Erling
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Hi Paul,
thank you for clearing this up. I have quite a few of the pale Ueli Wackernagel, I shall add 'Pearl' to the label. Makes it easier to keep the two apart in storage. I've had them for years but they don't make great leaps in propagation.
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M a r v e l o u s Pleione !!
I've got some more - Paul might recognise some... ;D
1-2 Pleione caparro - with somewhat reflexed frills - I guess you could call it petunoïd.. :D
3-4 Pleione formosana 'Polar Sun'
5-6 Pleione krakatoa
7-8 Pleione shantung 'Muriel Harberd' with a double flower
9-10 Two clones of Pl. sifaka
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Hi Paul,
thank you for clearing this up. I have quite a few of the pale Ueli Wackernagel, I shall add 'Pearl' to the label. Makes it easier to keep the two apart in storage. I've had them for years but they don't make great leaps in propagation.
Hi Maren
I believe there were possibly eight different clones of this hybrid that were selected by Jan Berg and more than one pale form, you may therefore want to check before calling yours Pearl if you don't know the history because as you know cultivar names are regulated by rules and not guesswork. If it has come from Wubben then it is highly unlikely to be 'Pearl' as after a recross I believe Jan made his selections and then gave the rest to Wubben to sell on. I don't know if this cultivar is a specific clone or a group of similar looking (Paul?) My Pearl form usually has at least two new flowering size bulbs and this year three looking at the shoots. You may therefore have a different clone as Pearl is not difficult to propagate. Wubben only called them 'dark' and 'pale' form as they were all mixed clones.
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Hi Luc, very nice plants ;).
I add a small greeting from Czech.
P. Iris Butterfield is an another member of a large Ian's family
K.
Pleione forrestii
Pln. humilis
Pln. Kohala-'Pied-Crow'
Pln. Iris-Butterfield
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P. pleionoides
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Hi Luc, very nice plants ;).
I add a small greeting from Czech.
P. Iris Butterfield is an another member of a large Ian's family
K.
Pleione forrestii
Pln. humilis
Pln. Kohala-'Pied-Crow'
Pln. Iris-Butterfield
Verrry nice Karel !! Love the Iris Butterfield !
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Hello ,
Today the flowering of Pleione Myojin , and P. Limprichtii
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Some more from me;
Edgecombe - another nicerichly coloured clone.
Pl. grandiflora. A seedling flowering for the first time from a cross between a white with yellow lip x a yellow grandiflora. Sadly the yellow showed no dominance.
Ueli wackernagel.
Piton.
Rakata. No clonal name but as good and very similar to R. "Keith Rattray".
Alishan "Merlin".
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Sorry, the images did not post with the comments and seems to take rather along time.
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congratulation to all for this very beautiful flowers
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Sorry, the images did not post with the comments and seems to take rather along time.
All beauties Pete - Edgecombe looks awesome...
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First my congratulation to all this beautyful flowers !
Here is pic from me ...I fear the ID could be again wrong
I have received it from a friend as Pleione scopulorum ...but....
Slowly I understand that a lot lot of wrong named Pleiones are underway ..thats difficould for a beginner :-[
Any ideas what this could be ?
Thank you
Hans
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Hey, look at this "Oldie", which is the first "manmade" Pleione Hybrid.
this hybrid was made in 1966? by french botanist George Morel,
who also was a pioneer in "plant tissue culture"
the Pleione Versailes cv. Bucklebury is -as I think-
the best selection from that formosana X limprichtii hybrid,
and received highest FCC award from the RHS and AOS
I am happy that I could buy a "handfull" bulbils from "that platform",
and 3 of them are just in flower :)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20120329-112526-329.jpg)
enjoy
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Any ideas what this could be ?
Pleione limprichtii .....................
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Any ideas what this could be ?
Pleione limprichtii .....................
Thank you Goofy !
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Edgecombe is such a beauty - I really love this one! :o
A pale Zeus Weinstein is flowering for me.
Second picture is Pleione x confusa seen today at the "Internationale Orchideenwelt" (International Orchid World) Dresden - I did resist to buy one for 40 euro although these were pots with 2 or 3 flowering shoots.
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Some lovely Pleiones being shown this year by so many.
I'd like to introduce you to my very own personal Pleione pollinator who has single handed being making a nuisance in my greenhouse. Poor thing does not seem able to fly.
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Loaded with pollen and gone over take-off weight probably David.
This is P.Santa Maria 'Nightjar' (P.Volcanella x P.aurita)
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That's a little beauty Jan. Aurita being one of my favorites and looking so strong in that cross. It's not one I've seen before either, is it from Ian Butterfield's 1994 original cross or a remake by someone else?
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My one and only lonely pot of Pleione. :)
Pleione limprichtii
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David,
It was a present from Ian, it's in his 2012-2013 catalog
jan
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They keep coming !!
1-2 Pleione shantung "Ducat"
3-4 Pleione Ueli Wackernagel - a very light pink clone - I'm quite happy with it !
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Nice pictures Luc and a nice form of Ueli (from Wubben?)
Pleione Siamang, Pleione Potto and Piton
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Nice pictures Luc and a nice form of Ueli (from Wubben?)
It's from Wubben allright David - and it's an excellent multiplier !! :D
Beautiful Pl. potto !!! Don't think I've seen it before !
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Loaded with pollen and gone over take-off weight probably David.
This is P.Santa Maria 'Nightjar' (P.Volcanella x P.aurita)
Hello Jan
This P Santa Maria 'Nightjar' is really a beauty - lucky you
Erling
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Pln.Mandalay Purple Rain, Pln. Alishan Mothers Day, Pln. Salek Eagle Owl, Pln. Leda
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Here is another new one for me, Pleione Muriel
Happy Easter
Erling
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I love 'Muriel'. Here are a few from today:
P. Snow Monkey with a nice yellow lip, different to the pure white one I posted earlier
P. X confusa
P. Mandalay 'Strawberry Fields'
P. Michael Butterfield
Also a few pots of grandiflora.
Alex
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Great stuff Alex ! Many beauties.
Mandalay "Strawbery Fields" is already on my list for next season !!
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My wish list is getting longer and longer - Santa Maria, Potto, Snow Monkey and Muriel got onto it. ;D
Flowering are Glacier Peak, Kenya 'Bald Eagle' and San Salvador.
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P. Quizapu 'Peregrine'; didn't open completely. However, there is a progress compared to last year, where it opened not at all
P. Michael Butterfield. Unfortuantely the upper sepalum stuck on the lip. When I tried to separate it, I broke it. I hope that this is an exception and not fixed in its genetic material.
P. Caroli 'Cape Robin'
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Lilac Wonder (chunii x yunnanensis) is a new one for me. Seems to be quite floriferous with good stems.
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I saw something today but forgot to take a photo
A mound of Pleione bulbs appromimately 12 inches 30cm wide and 6 inches 15cm high. All in one pot!
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...was it this??? ;) ;) ;) Sorry, Mark, couldn't resist it. ;D ;D ;D
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this day i had some minutes to take pics
an Eiger starting fading, two Hekla, two Rakata, Shantung, two zeus Weintein and finally Sifaka
Eiger
Eiger (2)
Eiger (3)
Eiger (4)
Hekla
Hekla (2)
Hekla (3)
Pleione hekla partridge (2)
Pleione hekla partridge (3)
Pleione hekla partridge (5)
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following
pleione Rakata (2)
pleione Rakata (3)
pleione rakata shot silk
pleione rakata shot silk (2)
pleione rakata shot silk (5)
pleione shantung
pleione shantung (2)
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Maren, it was a profitterole tower of Pleione bulbs all growing one on top of the other and candle like buds all over
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Interesting, Mark, I should try that some time. Do you remember which pleione it was?
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the end for today
pleione zeus weinstein
pleione zeus weinstein (2)
pleione zeus weinstein (3)
pleione zeus weinstein-2
pleione zeus weinstein-2 (2)
pleione zeus weinstein-2 (3)
Sifaka
Sifaka (2)
Sifaka (3)
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nice display Maren
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Thank you Sam. I caught my fourth rat today in the big house. Fortunately, no noticeable disturbance of plants.
Someone said I should post a picture of my greenhouse when all the pleiones are in flower. Well, this is the best I can do. There are brown patches because not all pleiones flower at the same time. Mine start mid March and finish at the end of May.
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hello,
has anybody already seen something like this..................
the leaf and flower is "distorted and compressed."
leaf with "lingitudinal striping"
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20120403-174505-576.jpg)
already heared that this is NOT a desease or virus,
but have still some doubts............
thank you for your help
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It could be due to a very cold conditions during a shoot development. Sometime I have a littlebit distorted leaves than they start to grow, but after a few weeks they usually turn to normal form.
K.
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It could be due to a very cold conditions during a shoot development. Sometime I have a littlebit distorted leaves than they start to grow, but after a few weeks they usually turn to normal form.
K.
thank you Karel for the hint......
yes that might be a reason in my case.
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This is Pleiones , Fuego , Hookeriana
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Sottych, sorry to disappoint you, however it is really not P. hookeriana ;)
K.
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...................Hookeriana
as karel already said,
the last one indeed is NOT hookeriana.
but is a nice flower though :)
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Another white one: P. Glacier Peak. After P. Eiger 'Snowflake' didn't want to open its flowers, this one opened completely without a murmur.
Kind regards and happy easter - Ulrich
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A few more in flower :
1 and 2 : Pl. eastfield "Purple Emperor"
and a few good old familiar ones :
3) Pl. Piton
4) Pl. Kublai Khan
5) Pl. volcanello
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Thank you Karel and Goofy for your valuable information ,
To properly identify the correct names
Cordially
Christian
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Pleione Angwatibo and Pleione Caparro, both by Paul Cumbleton.
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Lovely, David, mine are yet to flower. :)
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Two brilliant flowers David ! :o
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I just can join in and say that Angwatibo and Caparro are impressive! :D
Almost every day new Pleiones are opening their flowers - Rakata 'Locking Stumps' and Krakatoa.
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Vesuvius 'Grey Wagtail' and Ueli Wackernagel 'Pearl'
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Nice pleiones, ThomasB, it's such a good time for them now. And the cooler weather is making them last so much longer.
Here are my latest to open:
P. scopulorum
P. yunnanensis
P. Bromo, pink and yellow form
P. Glacier Peak
P. Santa Maria 'Nightjar', with spider silk attached. ::)
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Wow, thius thread grows so fast. There are so many fantastic pictures. Maren, your small house looks great. Here's a couple of mine, first Pleione Fuego and next Pleione aurita.
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/Pleionefuegoklods1.jpg)
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/Pleioneaurita1-1.jpg)
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Everyones seem to be racing ahead whilst mine are slow to start. Though I don't have the hybrids that are being shown, except for the Fuego that Lars has just shown.
Lars - can you explain what you grow the Fuego on and can you get a better photo of gropwing medium without the wonderful flowers. I really like different methods of growing things.
Graham
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Lars that is a great way of growing your pleiones for those of us that are running out of space. I can imagine having them hanging of my rafters on my lean to greenhouse 8)
Angie :)
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Hi Lars, nice overcrowded rockwool slab ;)
Maren, I'm doubtful about your scopulorum if they are true. How many leaves they have? They are looking like one-leaved plants. Also the shape of lip and the flowering time are a little bit unusual.
K.
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It is a bit overcrowded, even though i have weeded a little during dormacy to avoid too much overcrowding. Fuego and a lot of other Pleione hybrids and species are doing very well mounted. And they do't take up space on the table. :)
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Hi Karel,
thank you for your comment about the P. scopulorum. I got it from Paul Cumbleton and therefore I am quite certain that it is what it says on the label. Each pseudobulb has two leaves and some bulbs have two flowers. My camera does not catch the colour very well, it is much more pink than in the picture. Here is another one that's a bit closer to what they actually look like.
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Hi Maren,
Thanks for the new photo, however if you will look at thouse several links you have to see, the shape of the lip is really different. So I think, your plant could be a hybrid with P. scopulorum as seed parent. May be Paul will say more details.
My P. scopulorum: http://pleione.cz/popisy/scopulorum.html or http://pleione.cz/popisy/obrazky/Pln.-scopulorum_01.jpg
Paul's P. scopulorum: http://www.pleione.info/Gallery%20frames%20page.htm
Albiflora nursery P. scopulorum: http://albiflora.be/plantdetail.php?id=229 or http://albiflora.be/plantdetail.php?id=228
K.
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Hi Karel,
this is interesting. I am still convinced it is P. scopulorum (until Paul says otherwise), especially having looked at the description in "The Genus Pleione" by Phillip Cribb and Ian Butterfield, where the lip is described thus: "...consisting of 7 high lacerate lamellae."
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Yes Maren, however the same sentence says: Lip ... is wider than long, 18-30 mm long, 25-36 mm wide ...
Here I add the scan from the book.
K.
.... Paul, where are you! ??? ??? ???
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Hi Karel, I'll take the plant to Ian Butterfield next week and ask his opinion. Paul may be away on holiday. We'll get there eventually. ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Maren/Karel
Another picture which has just been sent to me of Pleione scopulorum acquired from PaulC. Who knows how variable it might be in the wild? That it doesn’t look typical does not mean it is not it. The lip does look very frilly and much paler than what I've seen before. The other image is the clone of scopulorum I had which all died and is the more typical form seen in cultivation.
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Curioser and curioser. I took a picture of the last flowers to open on mine.
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Hi David and Maren, that is really confused.
I add my Mawenzi and my true scopulorum (originated from Ian's stock).
You can see, that Mawenzi looks much more like Paul's scopulorum. So I'm still convinced that it is a hybrid.
K.
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Hi Karel
Not had Mawenzi myself so I can't compare in the flesh so to speak but looking at the photo's it certainly looks more like that hybrid than the 'usual' clones of scopulorum we see.
Have to wait for Paul to reply.
I will have about eight flowering scopulorum from Paul hopefully open very soon to compare with but I'm going away next Sunday and therefore may miss them altogether.
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Hi Everyone,
Maren I believe the scopulorum you got from me is a true one, not a hybrid. While I sold mixed clones, I can tell from your picture that yours is one that I originally received as seedlings out of flask from a source in Germany. Given this source, I obviously cannot guarantee the plants are pure but I see nothing to lead me to believe otherwise. Pleione scopulorum is quite variable across its wide range. When we read a botanical description it is usually of a "type" specimen that may be a description of a single plant or of a population from a single location. This really tells us little of how much variation a species may show which takes a great deal more fieldwork to see plants from across the range. (For example look at the astonishing range of forms of P. pleionoides that have come to light over recent years).
P. socpulorum can vary in flower colour from pure white through pinks to dark rose and even the beautiful yellow form. The leaves can be very tall or quite short in length. They are usually two in number but can be one (including in the wild)- or variable i.e. the same bulb may produce one leaf in some years and two in others. The psudobulbs have a characteristic shape but can vary a lot in size and they may be from bright green to dark purple in colour. The waters are muddied further of course by the Pleione that was described as Pleione kaatiae. Philip Cribb regards this also as just a variant of P. scopulorum and not worthy of being a new species. If his view is correct, this further extends the range of variation that P. scopulorum shows.
While the flowering time is earlier than usual, this has been an odd year indeed due to the topsy turvy weather - my flowering period has already peaked and is now in decline, about a full month earlier than usual. My scopulorum have not flowered yet but are in advanced bud, again about a month earlier than I would expect normally.
So I'm sure your plant falls within the range of variation that would be considered normal for this species. If it is a hybrid, the with what? - I can't really see any sign of another species in it and if it were a cross with a hybrid I would expect to see more deviation from the scopulorum characters. So my best view is that it is indeed a scopulorum. Does anyone else have a view?
Cheers
Paul
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Yes Paul, I agree with you. :)
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1 - 2 A yellow clone of Pleione leda in flower today.
3 - 4 Pleione whakari
5) Pleione Ueli Wackernagel in full swing ! :D
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Hi Luc, lovely pot full of Ueli Wackernagel. Congratulations :)
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... So I'm sure your plant falls within the range of variation that would be considered normal for this species. If it is a hybrid, the with what? - I can't really see any sign of another species in it and if it were a cross with a hybrid I would expect to see more deviation from the scopulorum characters.
OK Paul a small quiz,
Here is David's P. scopulorum and your Mawenzi (yunnanensis x scopulorum) from your own websites. Could you show me any difference?
Sorry,but you haven't convinced me. ??? ??? ???
Karel
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Some colourful Pleiones to brighten a dull and grey day here:
Kenya 'Bald Eagle'
Orizaba 'Fish Eagle'
Quizapu 'Peregrine'
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Shasta
Kilauea 'Curlew'
Santorini
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Hi Karel,
I take your point, I think it all shows the difficulty of identifying things when there is some reason to doubt. There is no way to be sure about these (the supplier believes he sowed scopulorum, but of course a bee may have been in the flower before him...). Maybe when we get to the days of "Home DIY genome sequencing kits" we can make some progress!!
Kind regards
Paul
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Hi Paul,
Yes, you are right, there is no way to be sure about these. We can't say anything about an authenticity of the parents. The supplier can believe, hi has the true plant, however, we all know, that many of plants in European nurseries (mainly in Germany) origin from China (Chen Yi etc.) and there is too many mistakes with authenticity :(.
So, let's bury the hatchet ;D ;D ;D
Cheers
Karel
Here are some the first swallows from my greenhouse:
Eiger 'Snowflake'
Kituro 'Sulphur'
Lhasa 'Blushes'
forrestii
Sharon Ann Winter 'Marsh Owl'
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Hi Karel,
good decision. ;D
You've got some nice pleiones there, Sharon Ann Winter 'Marsh Owl' is a new one to me. Looks lovely. :) :) :)
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Thanks Maren. Sharon Ann Winter 'Marsh Owl' is nice Ian's selection with really robust and wide lip. It's flowering for me the first time.
Last time I touch back the previous problem. I think we should label all plants like this as Pleione aff. scopulorum to sign - it could be, but we are not sure.
K.
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I do like Kituro 'Sulphur' a lot! Something to look out for. ;)
Some new ones are flowering here: Deriba (surprisingly small flower), Zeus Weinstein and the most beautiful Santorini beside the clone 'Yellow Wagtail' (at least in my opinion ;D)
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I almost forgot one I'm not sure about it's identity.
Got this as the cross speciosa Red Leaf x forrestii (http://albiflora.be/plantdetail.php?id=234). If P. speciosa is just a form of P. pleionoides the grex name would be Tacana but it looks entirely unlike the pictures I found online. ???
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Pleione Santorini Yellow Wagtail. Low in the pot as I was running out of bark and these were the last to be potted up.
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Pleione Santorini Yellow Wagtail. Low in the pot as I was running out of bark and these were the last to be potted up.
That's lovely David and one to look out for.
Your bark shortage reminds me that the best potful of Pleione I ever grew was a few loose bulbs of formosana 'discovered' (well into growth) after I'd finished my potting up some years ago. I had nothing free-draining enough to pot them in except we had a sackful of quite strawy horse manure in the shed so I plonked the pseudobulbs in a potful of this. I expected to roots to die off in contact with such a medium but to my surprise they made great roots, leaves 45cm long and new pseudobulbs the size of a satsuma with three flower shoots each.
I've never had the nerve to repeat it!
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May have to try some horse manure in my mix now.
Unregistered cross between Ueli Wackernagel x Shantung by Peter Bradbury.
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Darren -it sounds like we've not really tapped the potential of pleiones for growth with current techniques.
I remember Maggie saying they fed and fed some pleiones as an experiment some years ago and produced huge bulbs but which subsequently didn't flower that well.
Maybe you've found the secret! A very airy rich free draining compost. I will probably try feeding some of my plants this year along the lines of hybrid cyps - full rate every couple of weeks and see what happens.
Anyway - the photo is of a couple of clones from Paul of the hybrid Muriel (aurita x grandiflora).
Again these are flowering on smallish bulbs so should improve in size next year.
Flowers are pretty similar to Maren's posted recently. I really like this cross - the flowers are like a pale aurita and sit up well,
Regards,
David
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Hi Folks,
Here are a couple which aren't full pans. Both shot without flash, so the inner lips are a bit shaded:
The wonderful ‘Ducat’ (R6.35), a real gold standard! Here at full stretch (105mm across) I guess most of you know it, but I'm so pleased to see it again… I only got one flower last year. (Rather a lot of pink on the side petals this year.)
The other one is an un-named P. marco polo (H168.2) A bit on the small side (It will go to 95mm). I’m a sucker for any pleione which faces up on a decent stem. This one’s only fault (as far as I’m concerned) is its slow to multiply.
Regarding David comments about growing pleiones… I gave some to a friend who grows them in her bathroom. I’ve not seen them myself for some years, but she says they’re doing fine, with, as far as I can work out, no special ‘orchid’ care at all. I’ve commented before on this website, how, when photographing P. bulbocodioides in the wild, I took great care to keep the Coelogynes out of the frame! Another thing: I don’t think its possible to raise Pleione seed without supplementary heat. The only success I’ve had is when I gave some phials of media to my father (as a joke present). My parents keep their place much warmer than I do, which (to me) begs the question about what ambient temperature Pleiones prefer.
Tim DH
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Pleione Santorini Yellow Wagtail. Low in the pot as I was running out of bark and these were the last to be potted up.
That's lovely David and one to look out for.
Your bark shortage reminds me that the best potful of Pleione I ever grew was a few loose bulbs of formosana 'discovered' (well into growth) after I'd finished my potting up some years ago. I had nothing free-draining enough to pot them in except we had a sackful of quite strawy horse manure in the shed so I plonked the pseudobulbs in a potful of this. I expected to roots to die off in contact with such a medium but to my surprise they made great roots, leaves 45cm long and new pseudobulbs the size of a satsuma with three flower shoots each.
I've never had the nerve to repeat it!
I read a couple of years ago about Nic van den Bosch, in Tasmania who used horse manure topped with sphagnum moss for his orchids. It appears the article is no longer available but I found a link that explains it.
Has anyone other than Darren ;) ever tried it?
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Tim my flasking cupboard is around 20 degrees Celsius.
Pleione Mageik 'Black' seems to be stuck and will not open any more.
Pleione Kyoto which is another from Paul.
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Hi David,
is that Pleione Majeik 'Black Kite'? mine did much the same and I found it difficult to photograph.
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Hi David,
is that Pleione Majeik 'Black Kite'? mine did much the same and I found it difficult to photograph.
Maren it probably is. It was a gift with my order and if I pull the label out of the pot it will more than likely say 'kite' at the end. To be honest I only pulled it half way and forgot about the rest :-X
It's sort of been stuck in that position for 3 days and just does not want to open any further.
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Pleione Marion Johnson and some very early Pleione chunii which came from Paul Cumbleton. My own Pln. chunii flower much later and are yet to show any signs of movement.
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I got a couple of Pleione forrestii and Pleione aurita ...Both in flowering size...i'm not specaly good with them...anyone that want to trade them with anything?...Jonny
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Flowering now .......p aurita ,P scopulorum and ?????
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and ?????
P. yunnanensis.
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and ?????
P. yunnanensis.
That's really not P. yunnanensis. I think it could be P. bulbocodioides.
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That's really not P. yunnanensis. I think it could be P. bulbocodioides.
I'm almost positive it's P. yunnanensis, but a picture from behind should settle it.
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Sorry Aririsaema to disappoint you, however your "yunnanensis" is a typical P. bulbocodioides.
K.
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Sorry Aririsaema to disappoint you, however your "yunnanensis" is a typical P. bulbocodioides.
...and I'm sorry to tell you that you're very much mistaken, I can bet my entire collection on that being P. yunnanensis! not being P. bulbocodioides! (Sorry, chickened out! ;))The pseudobulbs on the plant pictured above are typical, as is the lenght of the pedicels. It's a very wide-spread species, so there's bound to be some variation.
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Be careful what you bet as they look like Pleione bulbocodioides to me.
Typical Pleione yunnanensis.
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Haha, I guess I should have written "not P. bulbocodioides" :-[ ;) They definitely aren't that species, the lenght of the pedicels and shape of the pseudobulbs is identical to that of typical P. yunnanensis... Only other possibility would be P. x taliensis?
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If you have a look on Paul's Pleione website gallery and click more under bulbocodioides you can see two forms, one with peduncle similar to yunnanensis.
Could be x taliensis.
Bulbocodioides bulbs can look very similar to Pleione yunnanensis. How many lamellae do your plants have?
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David is right. Bulbocodioides bulbs sometimes look very similar to yunnanensis.
Here is true P. x taliensis.
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Another new one for me from Paul Cumbleton.
Pleione Marimonda (Pln. aurita x Pln. albiflora)
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Another little beauty, David !! Very nice flower.
Some more flowering here today :
1) Pleione 'Captain Hook' looks a little sad.. ;D
2-3) Pl. novarupta "Goshawk" - flowering for the first time for me !
4-5) Pl. Sharon Ann Winter - also new and very happy with it ! :D
6-7) Pl. mauna loa "Glossy Starling" - also new - very good dark red - the lip looks like silk !
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Gosh Luc, they are absolutely amazing and obviously beautifully grown!! 8) 8) 8)
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Hi Arisaema,
Sorry but I agree with the others, this is definitely not P. yunnanensis. There has been confusion over P. yunnanensis and P. bulbocodioides ever since the original introduction of P. bulbocodioides in 1906. When this was introduced, the nursery first selling them got the identification wrong and called it P. yunnanensis. Ever since you can see P. bulbocodioides going around with the incorrect name of P. yunnanensis attached to it. So I too think your plant is P. bulbocodioides or possibly a hybrid with that species, but it is clearly not P. yunnanensis (the lamellae are incorrect for yunnanensis and the whole shape of the flower too.).
Regards
Paul
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HELLO all
Would somebody can give me the name of this beautiful Pleione ?
Thank you in advance !
Christian
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I think it is PLEIONE Formosana or one variety ,
Can you confirm ?
Thank you very munch
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That is a formosana, Sottych..
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Hi Luc, I see what you mean by captain hook, looks like its sulking:-)
Sottych, I'm viewing your picture on a phone sitting in the Etihad lounge at Manchester airport so detail is not that great. At a quick guess I'd say El Pico for the first one and agree with Luc on the second. Take a look at my hybrid gallery on my website and see what you think.
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Some new Pleione flowering this weekend.
Brigadoon 'Stonechat' with good-sized flowers and nice colours.
Nothing bad about this nodding formosana alba (I think so?) but I got the bulb as grandiflora. :-\
I guess this hybrid of limprichtii x chunii is flowering for the first time, so the flower is rather small - really nice though with the large dots on the lip.
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Thank you Luc and Slug ,
Slug I seen your website , your picture are beautiful and me Pleione same your Kublai Khan (yellow lamelles) and El Pico but white lamelles
Thank you
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A few more of mine;
Indri - (Zeus Weinstein x grandiflora) this is my crossing, flowering for the first time. Disappointing as it is just a smaller grandiflora.
grandiflora - another first flowering from a yellow clone x self. A nice flower but I really was hoping for a yellowish flower.
Volcanello. A good, dependable nice clone.
Edgecombe - a more yellow form.
" - purple petalled form.
" - another very similar one.
Ueli Wackernagel.
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I'm viewing your picture on a phone sitting in the Etihad lounge at Manchester airport
Happy Hols, David!
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Thanks Maggi, now using free internet in Abu Dhabi.
Pete, I think that Pln. grandiflora is very nice with those markings.
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Hi Peter,
Did you get your labels out of order for your pictures as just from their appearance I assume the top one is the grandiflora and the second one is the Indri?
Don't be too disappointed yet with your Indri - when my first one flowered it was nothing special, but the following year when more bulbs flowered for the first time there was a more interesting mix of colours, including some pure (though pale) yellows.
Paul
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Hi Paul.
The pics are correctly labelled. Indri is the 1st pic. I have 3-4 other smaller bulbs, so will have to wait a year or two more.
I did not get many survivors from this cross.
Pete.
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Hi,
flowering now P. Lhasa 'Snowball', two of 15 and all the same. :)
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Maren - very nice. There are very few true albino hybrids around.
Any idea whether it will increase quickly?
David
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To be honest, I can't remember. I'll have to go and take a look to see how many growths I have on each pseudobulb. They make quite substantial bulbs. I was amazed how long it took them to come into flower. My P Lhasa 'Blushes' have been over for a good three weeks.
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Hi,
flowering now P. Lhasa 'Snowball', two of 15 and all the same. :)
thanks God , lucky Lady ;)
(but with 2 lamellae instead of 4)
cheers
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Hi Peter,
That's very interesting because I have never seen a grandiflora like this before, especially with the stripes on the top two petals (often found in forrestii, which made me wonder if this was in fact your Indri). The spots on the lip are also different, being more patches than spots and distributed in a different pattern to any other I have seen - but again rather like some forrestii. Finally the whole shape of the flower is just like some of my Indri but not like any grandiflora I have seen. Looking at the picture without knowing what it was I would have said "a hybrid that has got forrestii in it somewhere". So I wonder what the grandiflora parent you selfed looks like - do you have photos? Does it have the unusual characteristics of the progeny? If not then maybe that grandiflora is in fact itself a hybrid???? Whatever, I think your result is an attractive plant.
I have a cross between a yellow and a more creamy grandiflora and so far 90% of the offspring have been yellow, with just the odd white one.
Paul
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Lhasa 'Snowball' is a good contrast to all the colourful hybrids shown here. :)
Two well known hybrids with darker colours and third one I got as Rakata 'Keith Rattray'. Compared to other pictures neither colour nor lip are fitting. It resembles a Vesuvius - what do you think?
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Hi Paul.
I was given this as a grandiflora x self seedling and I have not seen the parents. I agree that there seems to be forrestii characteristics showing.
An unregistered first flowering of Rakata x grandiflora (yellow clone.)
Quizapu "Peregrine".
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Pln. Orizaba 'Fish Eagle'
This flower is a disappointment: the petals are not all that nice orange, as in images that are found on the web and from dealers. Why they do it? Does temperature affect the flower color? Or maybe it is not really the clone 'Fish Eagle'?
The fact that the petals are slightly wrinkled, is probably because I helped them open.
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Hallo Ulrich,
something must have gone wrong with your temperature control. The bud developed to a point where it got a shock and decided to abort. By the time you opened the petals, the bud had already started to wilt. That's why the petals have no substance and the colour has faded to brown.
Bad luck, this can happen to any of us and is particularly disappointing if you've only just bought the bulb.
I would carefully remove the flower with scissors, making sure not to damage the emerging leaf. Sometimes the flower stem and leaf stem are fused and if you pull out the flower, the leaf comes along too !!! That would diminish your chances of a nice replacement bulb for next year. Just keep looking after your plant, feed it well as the leaf develops and you should have a nice flower next year.
This is what P. Orizaba 'Fish Eagle' looked like when I last photographed it at Ian Butterfield's.
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P. Bromo and nice coloured P. Glacier Peak ;)
K.
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ThomasB - nice pleiones but I agree that your photo of Rakata 'Keith Rattray' doesn't look right for this clone. The flower is usually huge and with much more yellow in the general colour. It could be a vesuvius clone or even a volcanello,
Regards,
David
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hey,
this is the last of my flowering Pleiones this year,
which I recieved recently from a japanese source.
the person cultivates this clone since the early 90ies.
so it might be genetically different from the UK cultivars,
but fairly looks the same ;)
Pleione X confusa (forrestii X albiflora)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20120421-125148-544.jpg)
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Pleione bilamellata , from Sichuan
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Pleione bilamellata , from Sichuan
hello, we already discussed this in February 2012
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8611.0
for me this is NOT a new species,
perhaps a local variety of whatever.
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hello, we already discussed this in February 2012
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8611.0
for me this is NOT a new species,
perhaps a local variety of whatever.
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Thank you very much! whatever, it is a lovely Pleione for me:-)
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Some more flowering for me at the moment :
1) good old Pleione asama
2 and 3) Pleione bromo with a slightly damaged petal
4 and 5) Pleione kenya "Bald Eagle"
6 and 7) Pleione whakari
8. Pleione rakata - well filled pot
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I do have a question about the possibility of forming sports in P. limprichtii.
I don't know much about Pleione but have since many years some Pleione limprichtii.
This week I noticed a later whitish bud coming into flower and just the petals are a bit pinkish.
My question is if such does happen more often in P. limprichtii or is it special?
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Here is my Pleiones. I hope that if I have gotten the names wrong, someone will tell me. I also got, I hope, a P. yunannensis and a P. vesuvius and a P. Tolima, its to early to tell weather they will present a flower this year. My P. forrestii aborted the flower and what I thougt was a yunannensis, but probably is a bulbocoides hasnt open its bud yet.
Pleione vesuvius Aphrodite
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GilljtyqxMo/T5UU1OPvpAI/AAAAAAAACcw/xpFJI2MOuNI/s1600/Pleione+vesuvius+aphrodite.jpg)
Pleione barbarae dark pink
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-d3OWgWnVfGM/T5UT9yeSwDI/AAAAAAAACcY/ye2tTlgzBr4/s1600/pleione+barbarae+m%C3%B8rk+rosa1.jpg)
Pleione barbarae light pink
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kGkri9u4-IM/T5UUVslaqhI/AAAAAAAACcg/QK5O-K-qmv4/s1600/pleione+barbarae+lys+rosa.jpg)
Pleione pleionoides
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jtjxk8InVEk/T4Q1EgYmhqI/AAAAAAAACW4/xSpJx2en-Ls/s1600/Bilder+001.jpg)
Pleione formosana
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aMS4aNGeKbk/T3VnrXXaARI/AAAAAAAACVY/GvFB-HluFvA/s1600/pleione+formosana.jpg)
Pleione limprichtii
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EEpxWU_u-5c/T3Vm9URT_FI/AAAAAAAACU4/Dsw0JABrRIg/s1600/pleione+limprichtii1.jpg)
Pleione formosana alba
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dmzMCbOZgmg/T5UVodOQrhI/AAAAAAAACdI/hDnSVnel4FE/s1600/pleione+formosana+alba.jpg)
Pleione bulbocoides
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bT1VjZMQ6zs/T5UVL26aBXI/AAAAAAAACdA/p_lArHhBw4I/s1600/pleione+bulbocoides.jpg)
Pleione aurita
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_pUhyKO-Rho/T4vo2_bR5wI/AAAAAAAACbk/Wibulr-63xc/s1600/pleione+aurita.jpg)
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Hey, Snuffeldyret , welcome to the forum!
Pretty pleiones... they are charming flowers, aren't they?
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Hey, Snuffeldyret , welcome to the forum!
Pretty pleiones... they are charming flowers, aren't they?
Thank you!
Oh, yes, I do really love them. My collection isnt big, but it will be..
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Great attitude, Snuffeldyret: The more the merrier, as we say!
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Hi,
anyone having problems getting faithful photos of their pleiones?
I post this photo of Asama 'red grouse' as an example.
It looks washed out in comparison to real life.
There it is a vibrant purple red and very striking.
I find the same problem with same its sister seedling 'Black Grouse' and the similarly
coloured clone Volcanello 'Honey Buzzard'.
A photo of a large pot of Shantung 'Ducat' shows flowers with creamy petals and yellow lips.
My eyes suggest that the petals and lip are almost the same pale yellow.
Any tips for more succesful photos?
Thanks,
David
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Hi David,
I have the same problems with these two varieties and, frankly, photographing flowers in general. The colours never seem to come true. The nearest I got with Pln Shantung 'Ducat' was this bowl, but recent snaps of individual flowers have not been so true. I don't know the answer but hope that somebody else does. :)
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Unfortunately I do have the same problems with my photos - but I'm not a good photographer anyway.
The dark and vibrant varieties are the most complicated. My recent photos of Berapi 'Purple Sandpiper' and Stromboli 'Fireball' are not nearly as intensely coloured as the flowers. :-[ Right now 'Fireball' is glowing in the late sunlight. In my experience it depends somewhat on the background (I use either grey or black carton sheets) - black background works better for lighter coloured flowers.
Some new ones are flowering:
Pavlof with small flowers from small bulbs and just a hint of yellow on the lip.
Vesuvius 'Tawny Owl' which might be the nicest Vesuvius clone.
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I do have a question about the possibility of forming sports in P. limprichtii.
I don't know much about Pleione but have since many years some Pleione limprichtii.
This week I noticed a later whitish bud coming into flower and just the petals are a bit pinkish.
My question is if such does happen more often in P. limprichtii or is it special?
Lvandelft, at first your "P. limprichtii " are P. pleionoides. We discused about similar plants last year: http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6445.225
The pale one is P. formosana.
K.
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I do have a question about the possibility of forming sports in P. limprichtii.
I don't know much about Pleione but have since many years some Pleione limprichtii.
This week I noticed a later whitish bud coming into flower and just the petals are a bit pinkish.
My question is if such does happen more often in P. limprichtii or is it special?
I think, the "white" plant is of different species........................
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Hi David,
I have the same problems with these two varieties and, frankly, photographing flowers in general. The colours never seem to come true. The nearest I got with Pln Shantung 'Ducat' was this bowl, but recent snaps of individual flowers have not been so true. I don't know the answer but hope that somebody else does. :)
I don't think I'm an expert but I suggest to try the "manual white balance" feature of your camera. Your problem can be related to the color of the light you are using when taking a photo. Usually you point on something white near the subject that is illuminated in the same way as the subject (take some white paper with you, it can help) and tell the camera that it is white (you have to see the manual, each camera has its way to do this). The camera will try to adjust all the colors as a consequence.
Apart from that each camera sees the colors in its way... Some have difficulties mapping some colors.
I hope this helps a bit :)
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Lvandelft, at first your "P. limprichtii " are P. pleionoides. We discused about similar plants last year: http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6445.225
The pale one is P. formosana.
K.
Karel, thanks for your reply. I only have this Pleione and it was, as far as I know for at least 40 years, always cultivated in Germany and also in Vienna in the alpine garden of Belvedere under the name P. limprichtii. I had a look at the site of Paul Cumbleton where P. pleionoides is to see and I think that this is not my plant.
The white one cannot be P. formosana unless P. formosana is a sport of P. limprichtii.
I always had only this Pleione because it is very hardy and easy.
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I think, the "white" plant is of different species........................
Goofy, it is not another Pleione in my opinion. I don't believe it is a seedling either because I don't know of anybody in my neighbourhood with (other) Pleiones.
(Please see also my reply to Karel T.)
I slowly start to believe I have an almost white P. limprichtii here :-\
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I di little more than send an attachement ?
There is more opportunity in the usual place !!!
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I di little more than send an attachement ?
There is more opportunity in the usual place !!!
Please see the notes about the current situation.(links below)
It is no easy matter to move a forum with 238968 Posts in 7505 Topics !
There are some minor restrictions at the moment while the upgrade and relocation of the Forum is completed. You will soon be able to make attachments again. Please be patient. :)
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Just trying to figure out why some attachments are shown as pictures and some as files. Could it be the size?
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Just trying to figure out why some attachments are shown as pictures and some as files. Could it be the size?
Maren, this is all part of the re-work that Fred is working on. I am confident that he will clear all these snags in the end.
Meantime we are at least able to communicate easily again while the work continues. 8)
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Hi Maggi,
yes and I notice that some formatting has also returned to the well loved scheme.
I quite like the orange but wish it were a darker shade to provide better contrast. :'(
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Thank you Maggi , for your note
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Hi,
went to Harrogate Spring flower show today, well, yesterday with a B&B in between, 5 hours drive each way.
It was quite good and I was dressed for the occasion, boots, rainproof overtrousers, long coat, tight fitting hat and gloves. Just the job as it turned out. Bought a few things, met some friends, and found a must have pleione I had never seen before: Pln Dr Mo Weatherhead, which is Pln grandiflora x humilis. Nice. Ridiculous price, of course, but needs must.
Spent an hour in the rain looking for my car amongst thousands, trampling through the rutted field and dragging an unwilling trolley behind. Ah, the things we do for our plant retail therapy. Next time I tie a balloon to the aerial or a flag. ;) ;) ;)
Can we post images yet?
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.................................Spent an hour in the rain looking for my car amongst thousands, trampling through the rutted field and dragging an unwilling trolley behind. .......................................................
Can we post images yet?
Been there, done that ;D
As to images, not yet Maren
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Thanks, have recovered now. Here is the picture of
Pleione Dr Mo Whetherhead:
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The ones in the pot represent the colours much better.
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Yay, attachments are back!
Here are some Pleiones from yesterday. Two of Quizapu 'Peregrine', which I love (sorry about the flash on the second, light was low), and a really nice deep red from of speciosa (from Crustacare) at the end. The scopulorum is from Paul, and I have to agree with Karel T somewhat that to my eye, there is evidence of introgression by some other species there. It's comfortably the first scopulorum to flower here. Also from Paul is Muriel, which is a really wonderful cross, one of the best. As I've said before, aurita is a fantastic parent. A cross I really want to see is aurita X coronaria - has anyone done this yet?
Alex
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Here's the second Quizapu
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Alex,
Pleione aurita x Pleione coronaria is already done and flowering. Please have a look here (http://pleione.cz/fotopleionky.html) at the very bottom. Really nice in my eyes. :D
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While looking through some old pics I found that Marco Polo (flowered in 2010) and the Pleione bulb I got this january as Rakata 'Keith Rattray' do look remarkably similar. Identical or not - what do you think?
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Thomas, thanks - it looks nice - I wonder what the opposite cross would look like too...
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Hello all
These Pleione is P.Berapi ,P.Barbarae , P. Erebus
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Three different Shantung clones:
Ducat
Muriel Harberd
Silver Anniversary
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Lovely plants, Thomas, great flower quality. :)
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Great stuff all !!! :o :o :o
I also have some more flowering :
1-2 : Pleione santorini "Yellow Wagtail" - has to be one of my favourites.
3-4 : Pleione volcanello "Songthrush" - old but good !
5) Pleione asama at its peak :D
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Some Pleione that came from Paul C:
Muriel
Snow Monkey (including one with a yellow lip)
Plus (not from Paul) a PLeione I got labelled 'limprichtii' some years ago. It clearly isn't and is a hybrid with very big purple pseudobulbs and extreme vigour! Can anyone identify it?
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Lvandelft - I'm really convinced, they are not P. limprichtii. I will show your plants to Ian Butterfield next week - so, we will see ;)
Luc - very nice full pot of Asama.
Today I've updated my photogallery, so you can see my plants here: http://pleione.cz/fotopleionky.html (http://pleione.cz/fotopleionky.html)
K.
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I'm a bit late with posting...
Pleione El Pico Pheasant and Pleione Limprichtii, both flowered in the first half of April.
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All those beauties but I love Muriel (especially Darren's with much yellow on the lip)! ;D
Another unnamed Shantung I got from Potterton's last year is flowering. Nice colour (the softest yellow with light pink edges) but the shape isn't as good as the named clones shown before.
Alde Saran is a bit of a disappointment as I hoped for more influence from P. coronaria. It rather looks like it's other parent P. bulbocodioides. :-\
And lastly Surtsey.
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Lvandelft - I'm really convinced, they are not P. limprichtii. I will show your plants to Ian Butterfield next week - so, we will see ;)
Luc - very nice full pot of Asama.
Today I've updated my photogallery, so you can see my plants here: http://pleione.cz/fotopleionky.html (http://pleione.cz/fotopleionky.html)
K.
Thanks for your efforts Karel! But honestly I don't see much difference with the shown P. limprichtii by Enrico in post 423.
Seems the same as my plant.
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Pleione 'Hekla'
Pleione aurita
Pleione formosana
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After spending weeks looking at everyones fantastic pictures I am finally able to post some myself.
Pleione 'Fuego'
Pleione pleionoides
Pleione hookeriana. Not sure its hookeriana though. What do you think? Firsts time flowering for me from bulbils several years ago. The one in the background has opened upside down for some reason.
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Fantastic set up for your Pleiones Graham !! :o Beautiful.
Following your last year's example, I tried something similar - will be able to show you the result a bit later on !
(doesn't look as natural as yours though) 8)
For the third one, I agree, it doesn't look like hookeriana at all... Looks a bit like tolima ? ???
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Thanks Luc,
I will look forward to seeing your set up.
I wonder what others think of the 'hookeriana'. Hope it's not a hybrid after all this time.
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Well here's what you inspired me to do Graham - Pleione bulbocodioides - outside in a hollow tree trunk.
1-2-3 They' re not all open yet - but the predicted rain might ruin them... :-\
some others that opened the last couple of days :
4-5 : Pleione erebus "Redpolll"
6-7 : Pleione shantung "Topscore" - a lot later to flower than it's cousins Ducat and Muriel Harberd
8-9 : Pleione x barbarae
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Hi Luc,
That looks good - a very natural setting. Did they spend the winter there? If you are worried about the rain you should make a temporary cover.
I have just planted all my bulbocodioides, limprichtii and lots of 'Fuego' in part of my rock garden. They will stay there now with winter cover and I will see how they do.
Some are flowering this year. I will take a photo of the area later this week - didn't think to do it today.
I have just compared the hookeriana photo with the pleionoides photo and they look remarkably alike. I wonder if they are the same.
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Graham, brilliant display 8). Mine look so sad stuck in plastic pots. I must try harder next year after seeing you and Luc's efforts.
Angie :)
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Some pictures taken recently at a display in the Harlow Carr alpine house.
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Pleione aurita x Pleione coronaria. Ian Butterfield has not bothered to register it as he thinks it's not interesting!!!
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Ian has quite high standards... ;D ;)
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I have only 2 bulbs of P scopulorum,but they don,t look the same .Is this " normal "
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Hi Sarmienta,
Yes! All well within the range of P. scopulorum to my eye. Personally, I prefer the forms with the shorter, broader lip like the paler of the two you illustrate.
Alex
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Thanks Alex ;) i love both forms.
on the picture another ? specie i have from china
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Ian has quite high standards... ;D ;)
Almost correct Luc ... just leave out the word quite !!! Today Ian has won yet another Gold Medal at The Malvern Show. Here are some images of his stand and the last one is of a particularly fine example of Santorini 'Yellow Wagtail'.
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Sarmienta, that one's P x barbarae.
Great display from Ian.
Alex
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Thanks for showing Ian's stand. Not hard to see why he wins so many times.
Pleione Alde Saran and a nice form of Pleione x barbarae
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Almost correct Luc ... just leave out the word quite !!! Today Ian has won yet another Gold Medal at The Malvern Show. Here are some images of his stand and the last one is of a particularly fine example of Santorini 'Yellow Wagtail'.
No surprise for that Gold Award! Thanks for the super photos, Brian.
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A well deserved gold medal indeed!
I will just have to be satisfied with my smaller efforts.
I saw a display like that many years ago but I can't remember where it was :-\ Try as I might I can't remember a show at this time of the year that would have had so many Pleione's. Unless it was Harrogate, but it must have been 25 or so years ago. Perhaps subconsciously thats where I first got my interest in Pleione's.
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My last Edgecombe to flower and my favourite.
My camera wanted to show it more reddish. It is a rich yellow lip & peachy petals.
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Hi Brian,
great pictures of Ian's display. And it was nice to meet you if you are who I think you are. ;D ;D ;D
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Pleione coronaria today, originally received via a helpful forumist about three and a half years ago.
Alex
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Still some Pleiones flowering:
P. aurita
P. x barbarae
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P. Erebus 'Redpoll'
P. Kima (chunii x aurita)
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This one is labeled P. bulbocodioides but it resembles P. limprichtii. What do you think?
There must be at least two clones (or two different species) within the pot as i remember a totally different one (wide open flowers with thin sepals and petals) flowering two years ago.
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Vesuvius.
Erebus
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I hope we can keep this thread going a bit longer! Here's a P. coronaria today (excuse flash photo), a different clone (from Ian Butterfield) from the one I've already posted. Just P. scopulorum and P. hookeriana to follow now. Btw, I'm pretty sure now that at least some of the P. scopulorum from Paul are of hybrid origin, have one in flower now which clearly has that look with a very frilly lip and just one leaf. Still very pretty, though.
Alex
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Could anyone help me with a name for this one? It was bought as yunnanensis, but I dont think it quite look like that?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Zrjo35iITF8/T7tK-WE6uXI/AAAAAAAACqc/C3YtPZP_vDo/s320/Bilder+056.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zq_ZX1leqAI/T7tJ8ijbEcI/AAAAAAAACps/xurqwJFN5kY/s320/Bilder+075.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IFL8KQwKR30/T7tKBW2OCuI/AAAAAAAACp8/SV61OnaEj9A/s320/Bilder+083.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GcCScFT5Lxk/T7tJ_ViTaiI/AAAAAAAACp0/OXrPhQNQOVo/s320/Bilder+085.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-thPnWeOv5us/T7tKEWTXjjI/AAAAAAAACqE/xKcDs15A3LM/s320/Bilder+078.jpg)
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Hi Karel,
I had the same problem, 50 of them. Ian suggests Pleione x taliensis. :)
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This is the first flowering of a Pleione which came to me under another name entirely. It appears to be an almost white form of P. aurita. You can see the usual aurita behind it. At first I thought it may be chunii but both the flower and pseudobulb are twice the size of the chunii I have and seem to match aurita pretty well.
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Hmmm, Darren, that's a bit special. How about selfing it and growing some more? A certain percentage is bound to be like the 'mother'. I wouldn't mind at all having a potful of those. Very pretty. :)
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I might try that Maren. As luck would have it the (very large) bulb has 3 shoots anyway, two with flowers.
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Hej Snuffeldyret,
It can be difficult to say, but one guess might be P. Piton.
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Lvandelft - as I've promised, showed your plants on the photo to Ian, last week. By his opinion they are P. pleionoides and the pale one is P. formosana.
Snuffeldyret - your plant could be P. x taliensis, however there only is a few markings of P. yunnanensis. It looks more like its seed parent P. bulbocodioides.
Darren - very nice P. aurita. Sometimes they are very pale. One of mine is more pale than the others.
K.
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Last week I visited The Malvern Spring Show and several friends in England. Here are a few plants from Ian's greenhouse, what I've never seen before. Everytime you can find there some new treasures ;)
K.
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Wow, Marion Johnson 'Oxpeaker' is gorgeous! :o
But I like the pale coulor of Ganymede x grandiflora as well.
One of the last Pleiones to flower here this spring is Soufriere.
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An unusual P. hookeriana
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Hi Jan, it looks much more like P. chunii ;)
K.
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Hello Karel,
That is what i thought,until i checked on Paul's site, there is a similar picture there.
jan
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Hi Jan
I'd have gone with chunii as well. What do the bulbs look like? Pleione hookeriana are very small round bulbs and chunii are conical. Below is a photo of chunii on the left which is not yet but close to flowering size and Pleione hookeriana on the right which is a mature flowering size bulb. The flowers in your picture also look taller than hookeriana.
All look very healthy and you have quite a few there as well.
This link may also help - http://forum.terrorchid.org/viewtopic.php?t=1749&sid=779b4da48a7461f7ed4e2cfbe40b1f3a (http://forum.terrorchid.org/viewtopic.php?t=1749&sid=779b4da48a7461f7ed4e2cfbe40b1f3a)
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David,
The bulbs are definitely conical,but quite small,i did not expect so many to flower.
I did treat them as hookeriana with a prolonged cold storage until the end of April.
These chunii and hookeriana species must be very close.(apart from the shape of the bulb).
They are growing in 100% sphagnum and seem to like it.
Anyway.. another change of name!
Thanks (and Karel) for sorting this out.
jan
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Lvandelft - as I've promised, showed your plants on the photo to Ian, last week. By his opinion they are P. pleionoides and the pale one is P. formosana.
Thank you for your much appreciated efforts, Karel.
But whatever it is I cannot believe that the white flower is a P. formosana, because I never grew this plant here and so it has to be a mutation or a seedling (I left some years ago a seed pod on one bulb when replanting in late winter) ??
So I still stick with some questions :-\ :-\
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Lvandelft - as I've promised, showed your plants on the photo to Ian, last week. By his opinion they are P. pleionoides and the pale one is P. formosana.
Snuffeldyret - your plant could be P. x taliensis, however there only is a few markings of P. yunnanensis. It looks more like its seed parent P. bulbocodioides.
Darren - very nice P. aurita. Sometimes they are very pale. One of mine is more pale than the others.
K.
So I'm guessing its a bulbocodioides then.. Thats pretty disapointing. Well you cant be lucky every time..
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I think Karel meant a hybrid with P. bulbocodioides as a seed parent.
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Pleione scopulorum is flowering for the first time for me. From Ian Butterfield at the end of 2010.
What a lovely cute little flower this is. I had only ever seen photos of it before. Don't know if it should be bigger but it is the smallest flowering Pleione I have ever seen.
It might just be my new favourite.
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Really nice scopulorum Graham! Here are a several of mine.
So, goodbye the spring season and we all will meet here in the autumn :D :D :D
K.
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Thanks Karel, and a nice group from you also.
Not quite finished with the spring ones here yet.
Been a funny season ???
Should have another photo in a few days.
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Not quite done here either, but close...here are P. scopulorum and P. hookeriana.
Alex
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Still hanging in there, amazingly, at the end of June, never happened before:
Pleione chunii
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Help Maggi, I don't know why my first picture comes up so big. any ideas?
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Help Maggi, I don't know why my first picture comes up so big. any ideas?
I expect because you have edited it for size to be under 500kb without realising that it is also preferable to have the pixel size restricted as well. I will resize for you.
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Thank you Maggi, much appreciated. :) :) :)
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Thank you Maggi, much appreciated. :) :) :)
My pleasure - gave me a good excuse to spend some time admiring them
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Pleione Video
Hi, can you help please? someone posted a link to a very interesting pleione video, showing them growing vertically at the mouth of a railway tunnel. I would love to use that as inspiration for my display at the next London Orchid Show (rats permitting :-X :-X :-X).
Please can you re-send the link. I shall look after it better this time. :) :) :)
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Hi Maren,
I've found this one: 阿里山台灣一葉蘭 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ADE_CeTZD4#)
Hope it will help.
K.
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The Chinese words below the video translate ( google says!) as 'Alishan Taiwan Pleione'
Railway tunnel and pleione already at 1minute 18seconds in!
Well found Karel... I'm enjoying this - so many lovely little birds as well. 8)
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Karel,
that's the one, thank you very much. :) :) :) and also thanks to Maggi who emailed me a translation worthy of a medal, at least. ;) ;) ;)
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Confused! And I'm not sure if it's the plants or me. Pleione praecox in flower as of July 6, not just one, but four bulbs. Pleione Confirmation on it's way. I keep them warm, with my tropicals, which means that they have a long growing season , throughout the winter, but they seem to be flowering earlier and earlier. The first flower opened one day before my P.chunii outside finished. The question is how do you over winter these to tempt them to flower in autumn?
p.s. bulbs are big and healthy, so perhaps I shouldn't worry, but rather just treat them as a tropical orchid.
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Pleione Confirmation now open, and to prove I'm not fibbing look at the newspaper! Autumn has started early in Lincolnshire!
p.s. I'll try for a better photo tomorrow.
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As promised a better Confirmation pic now they are fully out.
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Very pretty Steve. Only got one Pln. praecox about to flower myself. Last year some of mine were earlier but not as early as yours. Did them no harm though as they flowered still in leaf and the bulbs still got bigger.
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The autumn is coming ...
K.
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Nice flowers Karel. Not much difference between the nature and man-made lagenaria. I have read that some people find the P xlagenaria should be darker and more colourful compared to P Confirmation. What is your opinion?
It will take a few weeks before my Confirmation will flower, and my Pxlagenaria haven't even shown sign of flowering yet.
Regard Erling
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Hi Erf, it seems right. Many of P. Confirmation showed here are paler than true x lagenarias, however we can’t say how large was the colour range in Berg’s seedling nest. So, is really possible to find both pale and darker P. Confirmation.
There is very difficult to recognize natural and artificial hybrid only from the picture. You have to be sure your plants origin from the wild or the stock founded before Berg’s crossing.
K.
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My first attempt at growing Pleione maculata with much excellent cultural advice from Alex.
The first bulb has produced two flowers one of which is upside down. I would have really preferred it to have had just the one flower.
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Hi Tony,
Looks great, several weeks ahead of mine - and thanks for your kind words!
Alex
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here is my first autumn flowering Pleione :
Pleione praecox
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Nice P. praecox Hans. Here is my P. praecox v. Semialba
K.
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Nics Karel. Can we have more pictures?
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... of course Lars, here they are ;D
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Karel,
that is most unusual and very beautiful. Do you have any to spare? :) :) :)
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Karel, when the whole pot is in flower, would you please post another photograph? That's something to look forward to. :) :) :) Maybe Maggi can implement the perfume button just this once. It would be worth it. ;) ;) ;)
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Dear Maren
I will ;) really look forward to that. ;) ;) ;D
Erling
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Beautiful Karel. thanks for the extra pictures. I can't recall seeing a picture of a semialba before.
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Pleione saxicola now flowering
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Bonjour ,
Très belle P. Saxicola , bientôt mon P. Praecox va fleurir , il a très bien poussé cette année le bulbe est érnorme !
Bon hivernage à tous
Cordialement
Christian
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Worth waiting fore, my first flowering pleione this autumn. A tremendous growth from this Pleione Confirmation. It has moved from 3 to 9 flowering bulbs during this summer. One bulb carry 4 new flowering bulbs, that I have newer experienced before.
Last autumn I got a true P xlagenaria from a very reliable grower, this one is at least 2 weeks from flowering. I am looking forward to compare.
Regards Erling
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Well done, Erling. These pleiones are so rewarding and welcome at this time of year. Mine are just a week away from flowering. I shall take them to a very reliable grower to confirm their identity. ;) :)
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Nice Erling. It must be the small differences that determin when the plants flower as my xLagenaria is flowring now. The first preacox and Slender Lovis are also flowering. I hope i will be alboe to extent the flowering into December, before the last Pleione has flowered.
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Thank you Maren. You are right, when season turns against winter, it is nice to see these colourful pleione flower.
Lars, I am looking forward to see your Slender Loris in bloom.
Regards Erling
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Splendid pot Erling !
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... the maculata hill ;D ;D
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I wouldn't mind a hill like that Karel ! 8)
Well done !
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Very nice group Karel.
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On the windowsill of my kitchen Pln. praecox is now in flower. Besides Pln. Shantung 'Silver Anniversary' this is the most vigorous among all my pleiones. I had less success with tow bulbs of Pln. maculata I bought last winter: The new bulbs are small and will not flower. I kept them in the garden in the shadow of a hedge and when temperature fell below 10 degrees I brought it into the house. Was it too cold for her in the garden? Somewhere I read someone saying that he keeps this species together with his tropical orchids.
Any hints for a more successful culture are welcome.
Regards - Ulrich
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Hi Ulrich,
Pleione maculata definitely needs warmer conditions. I grow mine with my tropical orchids. Never colder than 12 degrees Celsius at night, higher in the day.
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Hallo Maren,
thank you for this advice. In the next season I will try to find a warmer place for them.
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On the windowsill of my kitchen Pln. praecox is now in flower. Besides Pln. Shantung 'Silver Anniversary' this is the most vigorous among all my pleiones. I had less success with tow bulbs of Pln. maculata I bought last winter: The new bulbs are small and will not flower. I kept them in the garden in the shadow of a hedge and when temperature fell below 10 degrees I brought it into the house. Was it too cold for her in the garden? Somewhere I read someone saying that he keeps this species together with his tropical orchids.
Any hints for a more successful culture are welcome.
Regards - Ulrich
Ulrich, P. maculata clones do differ. Some are easy and some are difficult to get into flower. I have two clones that haven't flowered for five years and the pseudobulbs are quite small. Another clone, kept under the same conditions, grows large and and flowers every year.
A ''good'' clone would grow well and flower under the conditions as you describe above. At least that is how I used to grow them.
This variation within species is generally overlooked, but I have seen it in other Pleione species too. For instance, some clones of P. formosana I find hard to grow while others are easy...
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Also, like Maren said, they will grow better if you keep them warmer...
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Hallo Hans,
thank you for this additional explanation. That's possible, that different clones are different in culture. Maybe the reason why my P. praecox does better is that it is a more vigorous clone. I got it form Bernhard Röllich; he selected it and named it "Berggarten".
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A few Pleione pics from today. The first three are P. X lagenaria, I am told the true plant of wild collected (Bhutan) origin and not Confirmation. The last is P. Liz Shan 'Pretty Girl'.
Cheers,
Alex
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Nice x lagenaria Alex. Do you know who and when collected them?
Here is one small clump of my P. maculata.
K.
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hello !
These is my P. praecox
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Currently flowering with me: Pleione Barcena
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Pleione praecox in flower .
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Merry Christmas and Happy New Growing Season to all friends and Pleione lovers.
Thank you for your fantastic pictures and see you next year.
Karel.
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Hello Pleione growers,
I have a question connected to sowing and seed raising of Pleiones - maybe there is another thread on this topic?
What size are Pleione seedlings 2 years out of flask? About the size of regular bulbils, significantly smaller, larger? I'm thinking about ordering some crosses which are offered as 2 years out of flask but do not have any clue what size the small bulbs might be.
Thank you in advance. :D
Thomas
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Hello Thomas
David from Koolplants have a very informative homepage that I can recommend. He describe the way of breading pleiones from seeds. There are a lot of photos that give you an idea of the size of bulbils in the different stages.
Here is the link: http://www.koolplants.co.uk/Pleione-Orchid-Flasking.html (http://www.koolplants.co.uk/Pleione-Orchid-Flasking.html)
Regards Erling
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Thomas, if they were grown 2 years in normal compost, they should be as big as regular bulbils after 1 year. However depend how long they were grown in flasks - 1 or 2 years?
K.
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Hi Thomas,
I find seedlings deflasked after 2 years can be very variable in size because inevitably some will grow more vigorously than others. See the picture below. But in general, especially if you are buying, I would expect to get ones that the size of an average bulbil.
Paul
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Thank you Erling, Karel and Paul. I think I'll risk buying some young bulbs then and hope I can manage them.
Next question follows. ;)
A German Pleione grower describes here (http://mein-orchideengarten.de/pleione-info/) that he gets larger bulbils by removing all shoots from the bulb in spring. This bulb doesn't have to support the (flowering) shoots so it can grow bulbils earlier which grow way larger till the end of the season. I don't have the heart to do this but had something like that happen accidentally this spring. I broke the young shoot of Eiger 'Snowflake' but let this bulb sit within the pot. It started with two new shoots on top of the bulb which soon grew roots. I repotted the bulb so the roots could go straight into the substrate and finally got two good sized bulbs in autumn.
Any similar experiences - maybe a way to propagate slow growers a bit quicker (if one has the heart to remove healthy shoots)?
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Hello ThomasB
If and when I break of a shoots by accident it always break my heart. To do that on purpose I am not sure that I can make me self do. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Regards Erling
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Hello,
at the beginning of the 80s Dr. Horst Pfennig, at that time Germany's foremost Pleione grower, had a huge damage done to his collection by a mouse. The critter intruded the winter storage and bit off the growing shoots on each and every bulb, but left the rest of the bulb intact. So Dr. Pfennig had to rely on growing bulbils to restore his collection, which took him several years.
In general I don't think removing the growing shoots to grow larger bulbils will speed up the proliferation process of Pleiones. Only for P. humilis and P. chunii which grow lots but tiny bulbils it may be worth trying.
Regards,
Kai
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where's the best place to buy some Pleione? I really like whites with yellow throats like Snowflake, pale pinks and pinks/peach with yellow/cream like Guenon, Wheatear and Shot Silk. So tempted with Ebay but I'm not paying stoopid money
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Any number of pleiones sellers around the forum, Mark.....
Paul Cumbleton, ho isn't selling any at the minute, I don't think....
For instance there's
Maren Talbot http://www.heritageorchids.co.uk/ (http://www.heritageorchids.co.uk/)
Ulrich Bangert http://www.ulrichbangert.de/orchid/index.php (http://www.ulrichbangert.de/orchid/index.php)
"Slugkiller" David Llewelyn www.koolplants.co.uk/Pleiones.html (http://www.koolplants.co.uk/Pleiones.html)
Karel T. http://www.pleione.cz/...... (http://www.pleione.cz/......) and those are just the ones that come easily to mind :)
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THanks
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Hallo Maggi,
as for me this is a mistake. I'm not a Pleione seller. I'm only growing some Pleiones on the windowsill of my kitchen.
Regards - Ulrich Bangert
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Hallo Maggi,
as for me this is a mistake. I'm not a Pleione seller. I'm only growing some Pleiones on the windowsill of my kitchen.
Regards - Ulrich Bangert
Oh! Sorry Ulrich, my mistake! :-[
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Another one is Ian Butterfield. Maren Talbot has his list on her homepage:
http://www.heritageorchids.co.uk/Butterfield%20Catalogue%202012-13.pdf (http://www.heritageorchids.co.uk/Butterfield%20Catalogue%202012-13.pdf)
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Rob Potterton also lists some, Mark !
http://www.pottertons.co.uk/pott/browse.php?folder=448 (http://www.pottertons.co.uk/pott/browse.php?folder=448)
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Hi,
a potful of Wharfedale 'pine warbler' flowering nicely for christmas.
I've found this clone to be very vigorous and easy to grow and it must be about the best of the winter flowerers available.
All the bulbs in this pot, ranging from 'just about flowering size' to 'huge' have two growths and flowers, despite there being at least a four fold difference in bulb weight.
I left the pot in the unheated greenhouse until early December when the buds were visible before bringing it into the kitchen. They must have received at least one light frost during their time in the glasshouse.
The pot will sit in a cool bedroom until spring, with no water,
Regards,
David
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hello David
Thats a nice Christmas present - beautiful.
Merry Christmas
Erling
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hi thomas and fellow pleione growers this is my first posting on this forum，i have been growing pleiones for many years。there was an artical published some years ago in the national pleione report edited by peter bradbury。concerning a method of pleione propogation。the artical was i think by a d smith in yorkshire。 it envolved cuting off a top section of the speudobulb leaving all basal growths intact，then treating both cut surfaces with a fungicide。you then replant the cut portion。shoots subsequently eminating produce quite large bulbs，plus you still had bulbs produced by other decapertated bulb。 i havent tried this my self as yet。
however i did recieve pseudobulbs of pleione formosana snowcap from a well known supplier ， all latent buds were missing，i was not worried。 and large bulbs grew from the apex off these bulbs。 i hope this was of some interest to readers of the forum
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So glad you have made a first post, pseudobulb :)
It is quite strange just how much damage etc that these plants can suffer and still thrive, isn't it?
Then there are some that seem to fade away for no apparent reason - such mysteries! I suppose it is this that keeps us interested,eh?
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A stunning potful of Wharfedale that is, David ! Sublime !!
Welcome to the forum Pseudobulb !
So sad that the pleione report stopped a few years ago isn't it ?.. :'( :'(
But then, we're having so much more information on our beloved plants from this delightful Forum don't we ? ! :D :D
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On another note, you can really increase the size of bulbils growing on the apex of the bulb by encouraging them to root into the compost.
I do this by carefully piling up compost to the base of the bulbils so the main bulb is buried.
It doesn't seem to harm the normal new growths but the bulbils are 2-3 times the size of the usual ones.
David
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Question to David and anyone else who grows the "winter" flowering pleione. Are they really late this year? My Wharfedale Pine Warbler is just about to open, compared with a normal flowering time of November. Barcena is much the same, with colour just appearing in the buds, though normally they open well before Christmas. As for Tarawera I think some of the "spring" flowering types such as humilis might beat it. I know that the flowering times of these crosses are all variable depending on the clone, but my bulbs are all from a single individual so it's not genetics causing this.
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Hi Steve, interesting that you bring up the late flowering of your pleiones- we are seeing very late development in narcissus and so on this year - there are a lot of anxious growers around it seems.
The weather patterns of late are confusing a lot of plants, I think.
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My praecox are just going over and some clones of maculata are putting up buds only now!
Alex
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That's late!
Only thing is my autumn flowerers were very early this year which I put down to the rotten summer and early onset of autumn, at least cold nights. Just goes to prove that the plants will do what they want when they want and try as we might we'll never really understand them.
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Steve,
I cannot really say.
This is only my 2nd year with winter flowering pleiones.
I avoided them for a few years as I thought they'd be tricky to
keep over winter but they've proved to be quite easy.
It is a shame that there aren't more of them.
Regards,
David