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Bulbs => NARCISSUS => Topic started by: fermi de Sousa on August 03, 2011, 04:25:21 AM
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It's certainly the beginning of the fast and furious Daffofil season here!
Narcissus bulbocodium seedling? similar to others from Glenbrook Bulb Farm but earlier than the ones I already have -it appeared near a clump of "Smarple" (or "Kholmes" - the label is lost ::) )
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A GBF hybrid "Ianmon"
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cheers
fermi
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Here's some pics of Narcissus 'Polly's Pearl' from Bill Dijk. He gave me 10 dried bulbs. I planted them outside and thought I'd compare with 10 'Paper Whites' bought from "The Warehouse". The latter produced 1 flowering stem! In the UK I'd have taken them back! Bill's 10 bulbs have produced 10 flowering stems, some of which are still to open.
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Where does the name 'Mitimoto come from Fermi? I had it a couple of years ago from Marcus. The flower is huge, a full 6cms across the open end.
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Crumbs, Lesley! Mine never get that big - you're not thinking of Mondieu, are you? Mitimoto is the bicolor.
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I might have said mondieu, but would more likely have said core blimey! :o
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I'd better check back with Marcus then. It's what he sent as Mitimoto but My God would be appropriate. ;D And it's not a bicolour, all bright yellow, same shade as 'Atlas Gold.'
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Where does the name 'Mitimoto come from Fermi? I had it a couple of years ago from Marcus. The flower is huge, a full 6cms across the open end.
Hi Lesley,
"Mitimoto" is one of Rod Barwick's "Little Detective"series - probably in reference to Mickey Moto. "Mondieu" is also in the series as it is what Inspector Cluseau (also one of the series) was always exclaiming.
"Mondieu" is in flower now for me
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but "Mitimoto" is usually much later.
cheers
fermi
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Thanks Fermi, I don't know Mickey Moto. My daff is much yellower than your 'Mondieu.' As I said, the same shade as 'Atlas Gold.' All my daffs are early this year and so are crocuses.
Do you still want some seed of Aristolochia longa? (Was it you who asked???) I have a packet here ready now.
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I was looking for Aristolochia seeds a while back?
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Do you still want some seed of Aristolochia longa? (Was it you who asked???) I have a packet here ready now.
Yes, Lesley, I did ask you last time and it's "allowed" so when you have time to send some I'd love to try. When's the best time to sow it?
Your "Mitimoto" is possibly just a bit vigorous this year and that's why it's so large. It's not all easy to distinguish the "petal" as white but it is officially a "10 W-Y"
cheers
fermi
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Here are the daffs flowering here at present.
cyclamineus
emperors waltz
gold cycla
mitzy
february gold also flowering but all hoops except standard bulbocodium and obesus have finished
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Very nice Kees. Just finished re-potting all mine.
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I thought you were supposed to be knee deep in snow this weekend?
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I can't get over what a good Narcissus is 'Jumblie.' Can't remember where I got it but for years it has performed very well, always entirely reliable with flowering and increase. Was it an Alec Grey hybrid? Those older, early hybrids like 'Jumblie' and 'Tete-a-Tete' can't be beaten by more modern forms.
I went out a few minutes ago Anthony and it's just up to my toes so far but plenty more on the way according to the forecast and from looking at the sky. Kees is in town. I'm 18 kms out from the town centre so am a country cousin so to speak, and at about 350m altitude. Susan (More) will be well into the snow by now I should think. She's in town too but in the hill suburbs.
I have buds on Frits pontica, elwesii, recurva well advanced, far too early this year, and a flower almost out on my single F. alburyana, so I feel a "Fritillaria in the South" thread coming on.
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Mark i have a good coating of snow here :(
Plants will be on hold for a bit
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I can't get over what a good Narcissus is 'Jumblie.' Can't remember where I got it but for years it has performed very well, always entirely reliable with flowering and increase. Was it an Alec Grey hybrid?...............
It was Lesley.
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Thanks David. Grey did such great work with dwarf Narcissus but is rarely mentioned by name nowadays.
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He is in daff circles, Lesley. One of the greats.
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Absolutely. :)
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I can't get over what a good Narcissus is 'Jumblie.' Can't remember where I got it but for years it has performed very well, always entirely reliable with flowering and increase. Was it an Alec Grey hybrid? Those older, early hybrids like 'Jumblie' and 'Tete-a-Tete' can't be beaten by more modern forms.
Hi Lesley,
As Anne has said, Alec Gray raised it - he found a seed pod on 'Cyclataz' which had never before (or since?) set viable seed. The three seedlings were named"Jumblie". "Tete A Tete" and "Quince" - Will pretends to fall asleep (or throw up) whenever I tell this story as he's heard it a thousand times before!
Here's what I think is "Quince" in our garden,
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cheers
fermi
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That's a nice one Fermi. I'd have to check when the snow melts but I don't think 'Jumblie' has as many flowers per stem as yours. We all know 'Tete-a Tete' well, I'm sure.
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Our season is well and truly under way here in Canberra. I have a new Camera and it is taking longer to get used to it than I had hoped. My day job has also been keeping me busy so daffodil things are all a bit behind. However, as Helen did a big weeding job the daffodils are looking better than ever and some really good seedling have flowered for the first time.
Graham
Canberra
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I hope Lesley noticed the special split cup cyclamineus hybrid!
Part 2 photos attached.
Graham
Canberra
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Part 3.
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Part 4.
Graham
Canberra
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Very nice, Graham.
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I hope Lesley noticed the special split cup cyclamineus hybrid!
When she does I suspect she'll say it's an abomination. ;D I think I agree. Apart from that some lovely seedlings.
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I haven't even opened this thread so I can't possibly have seen anything I didn't like. ;D
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Graham,
Nice stuff - still waiting for a list, though ;D
Hi Lesley,
I'm wondering if Marcus sent you (the more expensive) "Kojak" instead of "Mitimoto" as ours has now flowered and looks a lot like yours
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Our "Mitimoto" is now making a nice clump
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Other GBF hybrids include: "Jingle X Swagger"
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and "Slip'ry"
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our own mystery is a pair of daffs we got as N. hispanicus but there are 2 types of flowers!
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Maybe Rafa or some other Daff specialist could say whether they are 2 forms of the species or if one is an imposter!
cheers
fermi
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Graham I wait each season to see your pics, fantastic.
Just love them, keep posting please.
I have collected all the pollen from my cyclamineus and mitzy. I now have josie flowering so will take a pic and collect the pollen from this also.
I am thinking of pollinating a josie flower with mitzy pollen to see what happens in 3-5 years :)
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Ah, I now see the split cup cyclamineus hybrid. As I remarked to another Forum friend, in quite a different context, I need new jeans. Mine are getting very raggedy. ;D
Fermi I'll send my pic of (maybe) 'Mitimoto' ro Marcus and see what he thinks. And can you tell me what is the little one in a patch near the back or side door of the Ferny Creek Hort Soc hall?
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Ah, I now see the split cup cyclamineus hybrid. As I remarked to another Forum friend, in quite a different context, I need new jeans. Mine are getting very raggedy. ;D
Fermi I'll send my pic of (maybe) 'Mitimoto' ro Marcus and see what he thinks. And can you tell me what is the little one in a patch near the back or side door of the Ferny Creek Hort Soc hall?
Lesley, all the bulbs at the back door of the hall came from my garden , so I'm certain the tiny daffodil is 'Ferdie'
also found a split cup cyclamineus (the species ) yesterday . Have not made up my mind yet if it deserves to live .
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Do you think Marcus has 'Ferdie' available Otto? I suppose I should ask him, not you. :)
28th - In fact, while weeding small bulb and seedling pots today I found 'Ferdie' but there was nothing in the pot, along with 3 Galanthus which also have rotted away over winter and a couple of other things as well. This is very unusual for Marcus' bulbs which have always done well for me. I have had a financial windfall in the last few days so will put it aside for a summer order.
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Fermi I will make sure I send you and anybody else in Australia who wants a list.
Nature is playing tricks this year as a very large number of daffodils are flowering now. Many of these are a couple of weeks ahead of schedule. I have been able to do quite a few crosses but like always there will crosses that ought to be done that will be missed.
I have taken quite a few photos on what was a fine sunny day here in Canberra. I will try and edit them and post them over the next week.
All our daffodils were weeded this year so they are performing much better. Photos Part 1 are mostly standards.
Graham in sunny Canberra
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Part 2. We do quite a deal of split cup hybridising. Most of those in these photos are intermediate. One is only just a bit too big for miniature.
Graham
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Part 3 About the photos. I is for intermediate, min is miniature and nothing is a standard.
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Part 4. This is the last of my photos from yesterday. I need to start editing todays photos.
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Part 1 of todays photos
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Part 2. I will give an insight into the range of our hybridising programs. An assortment of miniatures and intermediates.
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Part 3 from today.
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Here's some pics of Narcissus 'Polly's Pearl' from Bill Dijk. He gave me 10 dried bulbs. I planted them outside and thought I'd compare with 10 'Paper Whites' bought from "The Warehouse". The latter produced 1 flowering stem! In the UK I'd have taken them back! Bill's 10 bulbs have produced 10 flowering stems, some of which are still to open.
I was fortunate to see 'Polly's Pearl' growing on a daffodil farm in Victoria, Australia - the stems seemed like walking sticks with a great tassel of blooms on top. Harold Koopowitz was in the party and was pleased and amazed to see such a large and vigorous stock - he had named the variety after it was found in Polly Anderson's garden in La Canada, California. This was a great pleasure for me also as I knew Polly well - she was a prominent member of the American Daffodil Society and the wife of Ken Anderson, famed Walt Disney artist who was Art Director for 'Snowwhite' and several other famous films. Polly was involved in the painstaking animation artistic process - no computers in those days!! So much for 'Polly's Pearl' - I wish I could grow it - not only for its beauty but for the memories it carries.
Brian
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Fermi I will make sure I send you and anybody else in Australia who wants a list.
Thanks, Graham,
I'll hold you to that! ;D It's unfair that all your good stuff goes overseas!
cheers
fermi
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Part 6
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Part 7
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Part 8. The photos are of our early miniatures and intermediates. Lots of different forms and colours.
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Part 9.
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Part 10.
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Part 11. I thought I had better throw in a few more split cups for Leslie. The reverse bicolor one is quite spectacular when the cup changes colour.
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Part 13.
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Part 14. Who recognised N. tenuifolius in Part 13? Our new Keira Bulbs' camera is much better for taking field pictures in our sunny Canberra weather. It is also very quick so I have been able to take a lot of shots that give a better idea of the number of seedlings that we grow. In our case it is a host of tiny daffodils of many forms and colours.
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Graham there are so many beautiful cyclamineus hybrids there, that must be a lot of years work there. I noticed some lovely bi-coloureds.
One day I hope to have one some of my own. I am hoping that Josie will be a good parent for hybrids, with its tiny size it has to be a good start.
I am surprised how well they do in the fish boxes, I would not think they were deep enough.
I just love your photos, thanks
Kees
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Graham,
some great stuff there! I'm glad to see we aren't the only ones with feral yellow hoops! ;D
I'm so impressed that you have so many good looking minis coming along as I think they are much neglected in the general daffodil growing circles (not to mention squares or rectangles - sorry, just getting in before Paul or Cliff decide to!). Central Victoria is seen as one of the centres of daffodil culture but not for miniatures unfortunately.
cheers
fermi
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Graham the perfume must be overpowering with so many thousands. I do love the miniature narcissus and so happy that a miniature species trumpet has decided to seed itself around the garden.
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So there are people out there looking at my photos!
All the photos I have showed so far are mostly early season flowers. By next weekend we will have moved into our mid-season flowers. Our season goes into October and we are only just ending August. About half of our daffodils are in bloom but there are still a lot to flower. I hope to post more photos of our breeding stock. I suppose the other thing is that we actually grow them outside so they are hardy little things.
We have some early flowering N. cordubensis flowering and some N. fernandesii but the bulk the jonquilla species are not flowering yet so the perfume is not great. By next weekend there should be a lot of perfume. Deadly if you are a bad asmatic or suffer hayfever badly.
Fermi, Brian Duncan is probably growing as many or more miniatures than us but his are more recent. A lot of ours are involved seedlings. The other person with involved seedlings is Rod Barwick. We have a lot of seedlings. A lot are intermediates. A case of just missed when breeding down! Very suitable for pot culture as can be seen from the fact they grow in boxes.
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It is also important that someone breeds small split cups for Leslie!
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Part 24. Last for the night. Hope you enjoy them.
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Lovely to see so many blooms -apart from the split cups, where I am firmly on Lesley's team!
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Me too.
Graham, great to see your babies. I'm glad you did your weeding. You must eat a lot of fish.
My favourites are Part 3, no 1, the reverse bicolour in part 9 no3, and part 13 no4 in which they look like they are in a force nine gale!
In the USA, miniatures are very popular - Harold Koopowitz and Marilyn Howe are well known breeders. We are just starting to embrace miniatures in the UK. It's a long process...
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Folks, keep a lookout inthe August narcissus thread: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7670.msg213061#msg213061 to see some of Bill Dijk's narcissus 8)
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Graham, I am so flattered that someone thinks my needs must be met. Most people wouldn't give a damn about that. I believe Will and Fermi plan to come across the ditch for the daffodil conference in Dunedin next year, Perhaps you will come too? :D
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Graham I would say you are a Narcissus Nut.
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Fermi, Brian Duncan is probably growing as many or more miniatures than us but his are more recent. A lot of ours are involved seedlings. The other person with involved seedlings is Rod Barwick. We have a lot of seedlings. A lot are intermediates. A case of just missed when breeding down! Very suitable for pot culture as can be seen from the fact they grow in boxes.
Graham,
I'm sure ther are a few people who would be happy with your discards! ;D
Are you intending to get to NZ in 2012?
cheers
fermi
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If 2012 is anything like 2011 then the answer is we won't be going anywhere. I usually take leave during the daffodil season but this year it is not possible because of my day job. I usually use the leave to do my hybridising so we don't travel much at all during our daffodil season. We hope to go to the east of the US in mid 2012. We have a long standing commitment to visit some daffodil friends on the east coast for the US Convention in Baltimore. I am also committed to visiting my brother and his family in Germany in 2013 (and maybe visit Holland) where he is currently working. The big question is whether we duck across to Nelson for my family's big reunion in early 2012. My maternal grandfather was a descendant of a pioneer settler (Daniel Moore) in Nelson. At some point I also have to find time to finish the landscaping around our new farm house. And yes there will be daffodils -- we have quite a few ferals for that.
As for being a Daffodil Nut that is probably true but I would be more specific -- a Miniature Daffodil Nut. We don't do big daffodils very well but we do miniatures and intermediates very well.
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Anne, we are not fishy at all. The boxes are mostly 1/3 of a bushell vegetable boxes that come with holes in the base for air circulation. A full bushell box is fine but it is very heavy unless some light substance like perlite is used as a soil substitute. However, we did use some different boxes for our miniatures this year. We had some boxes that housed marble for our house and when we ran out of pots we used those boxes. I have already posted the attached photo but if you look carefully you will see the small foam boxes we used for the miniatures.
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I am not sure who has been looking at our photos but most of them are high resolution shots that will show quite a deal of detail when clicked on. This is particularly so in relation to the shots of boxes of miniatures. You will miss the detail if you don't click on the photos. The only short coming is I don't think my new camera shows soft pink as well as the old Nikon. However, it more than makes up for that in being able to take good photos in full sun.
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Graham,
That’s an impressive collection of miniature daffies you breed and grow, you certainly know how to grow these little treasures.
Like you I am firmly hooked on these miniatures, especially the cyclamineus section and the species, although your collection is much bigger than mine but then again, beside the daffies, I also grow and manage a large selection of rare and unsual bulbs.
Anyway it’s good to see that the Southern Hemisphere is well represented on the internet and we all enjoying your very beautiful and interesting pictures, and looking forward to more treasures to come.
There are few plants more fascinating than breeding miniature daffies, it makes a delightful and most interesting hobby.
How long have you been breeding the miniatures, do you have any favourites?
From another bulbophile and addict mini daffies nut, who is also suffering from yellow fever.
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Here is another collection of the mainly yellow miniature cyclamineus seedlings.
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This sample/collection is mainly of the white and bi-colour cyclamineus seedlings.
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Graham, I am so flattered that someone thinks my needs must be met. Most people wouldn't give a damn about that.
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Lesley, of course you're important to us, no forum is complete without you.
You should know that we all love you, warts and all. ;D ;D
Wouldn't you agree David?
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Agreed on the first part, disagreed on the second. Our Lesley is particularly fair of face.
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Thank you David. I was about to remark that there's not a wart in sight - or out of sight either. :o
Bill, will you be coming down to the Trillium weekend in Timaru?
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I am looking forward to the day you put those bi coloureds on a catologue, will be a good 4-5 years before I will see any of mine.
You can always add a special price list to me with this years usual one :P
Ta
Kees
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Bill, will you be coming down to the Trillium weekend in Timaru?
Lesley, I would love to come to the Trillium weekend and reacquaint with old friends again in the deep south, unfortunately apart from the expense, we will be very busy in the nursery with customers needing attention.
Perhaps the National Daffodil Conference in Dunedin next year?
Nothing like South Island hospitality and freshly baked scones, with butter and homemade jam. ;D ;D
Remember these pictures from the first Trillium meeting in 2002?
PS: Maggi, I made the pics a little higher in resolution for more detail, just for once, is that OK? Thanks
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By jove, that's a dodgy looking bunch.... I recognise quite a few of those faces ;) :)
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I do too Maggi, and dodgy-looking describes them well. I was in there somewhere myself but mercifully, can't see me. A few are no longer with us, at least one has gone to live in Australia and anyone there who has dark or blonde hair is now grey while many of the men are totally or partially bald. Oh the passing of the years..... ::)
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I do too Maggi, and dodgy-looking describes them well. I was in there somewhere myself but mercifully, can't see me. A few are no longer with us, at least one has gone to live in Australia and anyone there who has dark or blonde hair is now grey while many of the men are totally or partially bald. Oh the passing of the years..... ::)
Lesley, put your glasses on, are you not the person, 16 places from the right? Just wondering.
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You may be right Bill, the little blonde job peering out from behind Cora Elder. :D
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More post and pictures in "September 2011 Narcissi in the Southern Hemisphere"
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You may be right Bill, the little blonde job peering out from behind Cora Elder. :D
That what I thought.