Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum

Specific Families and Genera => Rhododendron and other Ericaceae => Topic started by: birck j c on June 06, 2011, 08:24:45 PM

Title: cut back
Post by: birck j c on June 06, 2011, 08:24:45 PM
2 years ago this Fantastika was cut back (quite violent)
leaving only tree shoots to draw the sap.
(250) photo taken 4 weeks after cut back - note "sleeping eyes" come to live.
(630) 3 weeks ago - amazing numbers of flowers
(097) From today - looking new and well shaped.

jens
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: Maggi Young on June 06, 2011, 09:02:55 PM
A very good example of why Rhodos make such excellent garden plants. If they become too large or are damaged in some way, falling trees etc, they will almost always respond as Jen's plant has done... soon you will not know there was a problem and have a smart  'new' bush  ;D
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: maggiepie on June 06, 2011, 09:27:33 PM
What a beautiful rhodo, am so glad you posted this, I only have three and all are gnarly and leggy.
Is there a best time to prune like this?
Spring or could I do it after they flower?


Title: Re: cut back
Post by: johnw on June 06, 2011, 09:35:22 PM
Well done Jens, a great success.

I think I'll go out and prune my Rhododendron barbatum back like that!  ;)

johnw
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 06, 2011, 10:46:27 PM
Our city council workers gave similar treatment to a stand of quite young plants where a motorway extenstion is now being put in. They were cut back maybe a year ago. Some were taken away and I don't know their fate, but only some of those remaining have grown away again. They should have moved the lot, being, as a long ago friend called rhododendrons, "wheelbarrow plants." She was continually digging them and planting elsewhere as her garden developed, and was always successful in their re-establishment.
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: birck j c on June 07, 2011, 08:19:07 AM
maggiepie when You describe your 3 rhodies as " all are gnarly and leggy"
then there is no problem trying to cut them back.
Live is too short to keep looking on these.

Failing would give You the possibility to buy some new ones - pleasing the eye.
 
Cutting back would give app. 50% success with hybrids and for species 10%.

Here (110) my Furnival's daughter cut back for the third time in a period of 15yrs.

Best cutting time would be just after flowering and before the new growth.

And to JohnW --  I think your NS winter will spare you the job. ;D
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: maggiepie on June 07, 2011, 12:22:52 PM
Thanks for the advice, Jens, will cut them back after they flower.
I don't want to miss the flowers as I didn't get any last year due to a late frost.
The plants usually have around 4 feet of snow over them during winter which causes breakages and mishapen limbs.
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: Maggi Young on June 07, 2011, 01:55:45 PM
Quote
Cutting back would give app. 50% success with hybrids and for species 10%.

We've found rather higher success rates than that, Jens... but perhaps our climate is kinder.
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: Martin Baxendale on June 07, 2011, 02:00:14 PM
Quote
Cutting back would give app. 50% success with hybrids and for species 10%.

We've found rather higher success rates than that, Jens... but perhaps our climate is kinder.

I believe in drier areas it helps to regularly spray shrubs (and hedges) that have been cut back very hard into bare old wood, to encourage them to break into new growth. Of course with rhodos it would be advisable to use non-limy water.
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: birck j c on June 07, 2011, 07:19:35 PM
There are also some more gentle ways to reduce the size of your rhododendrons.

A. When the new growth is just full developed they are very brittle , like glass.
    And very easy to break of. (001)(002)
    Often the result would be 3 new shoots coming on with reduced length.(003)

B. Shave your bush, again just after the new growth is full developed.
    Oreotrephes being shawed (004)
    8 weeks later flower buds in great numbers (005)
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: Paddy Tobin on June 07, 2011, 07:27:59 PM
I  have seen old and very large rhododendrons pruned in Mount Congreve with chain saws. They all come back to make lower bushy plants.
Paddy
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: johnw on June 07, 2011, 09:08:16 PM
Quote
Cutting back would give app. 50% success with hybrids and for species 10%.

We've found rather higher success rates than that, Jens... but perhaps our climate is kinder.

I believe in drier areas it helps to regularly spray shrubs (and hedges) that have been cut back very hard into bare old wood, to encourage them to break into new growth. Of course with rhodos it would be advisable to use non-limy water.

I think you're on to something Martin. Here if we wait to prune elepidote Rhododendrons until they've flowered they  - or at least many variety excluding the very early flowerers - oftentimes do not have time to develop new shoots especially if it is dry following.  In wet summers things improve.  In the southern part of NS where spring is earlier and summers moister with rain and more fog the rhodos have a greater propensity to be bushy and produce shoots wherever light strikes bark.  Not so much up this way.  A good daily spraying of the trunk and a weekly soaking of the rootball might just improve results.

In colder areas I'd say the earlier the better.  Jens?

johnw
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: birck j c on June 07, 2011, 11:23:11 PM
I think sap flow must be at maximum to get the sleeping eyes to react.
And max must be when the new growth is developed
jens
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 09, 2011, 10:24:39 PM
That's a fearsome set of pruners or "shavers" in pic 004. I can think of a few sets of dreadlocks I's like to use them on. ;D
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: birck j c on July 14, 2011, 09:08:39 AM
Shown 5 weeks ago, now sprouting for full. (200).

jens
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: birck j c on July 14, 2011, 09:14:18 AM
An untidy campylogynum show great improvements after cut back.
Note old branches in there.(204)

Seedlings of (campylogynum (yellow) x Tessa Dane)  also an untidy bunch
behave very well after cut back. (206)

jens
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: birck j c on August 25, 2011, 07:59:31 PM
Now app. 3 month has gone since pruning
looking very good, even flower buds are coming!
jens
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: birck j c on May 12, 2012, 08:04:43 PM
 11 month after the shave my oreotrephes look like this to day!
birck        ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: Maggi Young on May 12, 2012, 09:20:16 PM
One  of the best responses to a haircut I have ever seen!
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 13, 2012, 12:21:37 AM
Roger had a quite severe haircut on Friday but it only served to emphasize his bald spot. I'll show him this picture, to give him hope. ;D
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: Roma on May 14, 2012, 09:33:00 PM
11 month after the shave my oreotrephes look like this to day!
birck        ;D ;D ;D
After seeing that result my Rhododendron oreotrephes is getting a severe haircut after it flowers.  It is getting very scruffy.
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: alant on June 06, 2012, 05:09:41 PM
This morning my McBeath's form of rhododendron Thomsonii was 7' tall and looking very shabby.   Now it is only 2' tall.   Time will tell if it survives.
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: Maggi Young on June 06, 2012, 05:26:56 PM
This morning my McBeath's form of rhododendron Thomsonii was 7' tall and looking very shabby.   Now it is only 2' tall.   Time will tell if it survives.
Crumbs! That sounds  drastic, but I'd have high hopes for a good recovery Keep us posted.
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: Hoy on June 07, 2012, 07:15:23 AM
Roger had a quite severe haircut on Friday but it only served to emphasize his bald spot. I'll show him this picture, to give him hope. ;D
That's how it is! I can't understand why my wife always demands that I have to take a haircut :-\

However, I have decided to give some of my rhodos regulary haircuts.
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: alant on June 07, 2012, 05:29:59 PM
My rhodo matches my hairstyle perfectly now!
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: birck j c on July 07, 2012, 10:49:59 AM
Now after 3 years my Fantastika look like this
after the violent cut back.
(and a new fence!)
birck
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: Maggi Young on July 07, 2012, 11:20:13 AM
I guess when the plant was looking so good you had to give it a new fence to match it  ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: cut back
Post by: birck j c on August 23, 2012, 04:12:03 PM
Hej.
No  one year later my Rh. Furnivall's Daughter look like this. (go back and compare the photos)
From the surrounding plants one can imagine how big it was before cut back.

Birck.
SimplePortal 2.3.5 © 2008-2012, SimplePortal