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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: mark smyth on June 04, 2011, 01:27:25 PM
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Can we have a Dianthus thread?
Constance Finnis / Fair Lady
Dainty Dame
Tatra Fragrance
see ex Tatra Fragrance
Tatra Ghost
Warden Hybrid
Whatfield Magenta
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Lovely stuff Mark
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Thanks Davey. It could have been better. Too many died over the winter. One, seed ex Tatra Fragrance, made a brilliant recovery. The centre of the plant died leaving it looking like a monks bald spot.
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A wider shot of Dainty Maid
an open Tatra Fragrance
Whatfield Magenta - all open
Tatra Fragrance with Tatra Ghost to the left
Tatra Ghost is upright while Tatra Fragrance flops. It could be the lack a rain so I'll water it and see what happens
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Can we have a Dianthus thread?
Why not? Seems we now have one. :D
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A few from me.
1 Dianthus fusilier(my old regiment so i had to have it)
2 Dianthus tickled pink
3 Dianthus passion
4 Dianthus grans favourite
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I can smell them from here
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...Dianthus fusilier(my old regiment.......)
Are you on leaf at the moment Dave? :P
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It's interesting to see that the Dianthus photos have only been looked at 2 or 3 times but the two troughs have been looked at 20 times. I conclude people want views not flowers
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I'm always surprised to see how few folks click the pictures to enlarge them, when compared to the number viewingthreads. Wonder if some of them don't know to click on the thumbnail size pictures to enlarge them or just are not bothered. :-X
I know with some photos, especially the close-up types, some of the thumbnails are so clear it is easy to see lots of detail without enlarging the picture.... but I like to have a "right good look" ! ;D
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I agree Maggi
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...Dianthus fusilier(my old regiment.......)
Are you on leaf at the moment Dave? :P
Full of leaf but past my best ;D
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It's true that we click for troughs, crevices etc in order to see the detail while a large lump of bright red speaks pretty much for itself. Sometimes it's just a matter of time too. Even though I have Broadband, until some extra RAM was added a couple of weeks ago, many pictures took a long time to enlarge themselves.
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I saw these in a garden yesterday and it was lust lust lust when I saw them but they lacked the clove scent :'(
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but they had the most fabulous scent exactly the same as Rhododendron Lady Alice :)
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I'm pleased to know that Lady Alice has a lovely scent, I have a young plant which had one bud on it, but the cold got the bud. Fortunately the plant is more than healthy :)
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Dianthus 'Whatfield Magenta' another year on and bulked up more than last year.
I used it to fill out a trough that I planted up last year until I find something else to replace it (or not).
Dianthus 'Fire Star' - a new one for me and I managed to get 15 cuttings from it.
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Lovely stuff Graham,a pink waterfall wow,Fire star is very nice as well.
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Your frillies look like D. superbus Mark. How tall are they?
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Can anyone suggest good mail order suppliers for Dianthus 'Whatfield Magenta'? I was going to order some from Pottertons for some troughs that need replanting, but they were out of stock by the time I got around to doing my Spring alpine order to them this year.
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Graham your Dianthus is so lovely 8) When I was at Grahams garden the Dianthus wasn't flowering so I am glad he posted a picture for me to see. I said in another thread that I would like to plant some Dianthus and this was why, I just loved how it flowed between the rocks, off course somebody new the look they were after and managed to achieve it ::) ;D
Graham is it easy to take cuttings.
Angie :)
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Thanks Davey and Angie,
Angie - cuttings are easy its just a matter of nipping a piece off stripping back a few leaves and putting them in your cutting compost.
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Dianthus 'Whatfield Magenta' another year on and bulked up more than last year.
I used it to fill out a trough that I planted up last year until I find something else to replace it (or not).
A wonderful view Graham !!
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Angie - cuttings are easy its just a matter of nipping a piece off stripping back a few leaves and putting them in your cutting compost.
Easy for who, not me I have tried, buy will give it ago again tomorrow.
Angie :)
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Beautiful pics! I particularly love the trilly tatra ones. Not sure I've seen their like here? Those big types that you found Mark are sold here as Dianthus 'Spooky'. Massive flowers on them, but I'd not picked up a perfume much on our ones.
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I got this as Dianthus freinii. Flowers are not that big, but it flowers freely and for nearly a month
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I got this as Dianthus freinii. Flowers are not that big, but it flowers freely and for nearly a month
0leg very nice Dianthus,its not one i seen before.
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Graham what a show of Dianthus. Does it run or did you do that with cuttings.
Martin, there is an 'alpine' supplier over here who sells to garden centres. How many do you need?
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Graham what a show of Dianthus. Does it run or did you do that with cuttings.
Martin, there is an 'alpine' supplier over here who sells to garden centres. How many do you need?
Thanks Mark, but someone is very kindly sending me some material for cuttings. Whatfield Magenta seems to be surprisingly difficult to source right now in the trade.
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It's in all the gardens centres and B&Q over here
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It's in all the gardens centres and B&Q over here
Must be getting them from the N.I. wholesale supplier you mention. I'll keep an eye out in the garden centres; been looking at mail order alpine nurseries.
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I just called in to the local garden centre for a look. They have a fantastic selection of about 15 named and unnamed Dianthus
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Graham what a show of Dianthus. Does it run or did you do that with cuttings.
Thanks Luc and Mark
Mark its many years of splitting and replanting. It started with three small pots about 10 years ago. As they expanded I dug them up, split them, and replanted small patches about 10cm apart which again eventually grew together. I then did it all over again and again and.......
Maggi mentioned last year that I could do the same thing with cuttings but I hadn't thought of that.
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Dianthus erinaceous is a strange plant. I had two at Waterperry,
both grew into big plants fairly qiuckly (4 or 5 years) only one
has ever flowered. Both have identical conditions.
Perhaps its not quite hot enough in Oxfordshire,
compared with Turkey.
A Dianthus that I find very attractive is D.haematocalyx 'Alpinus'
Although the "Plant Finder" says we should call it ssp.pindicola.
(I never know whether to trust this learned tome)
ssp.pindicola comes from Mt.Smolikas in N.W.Greece which I believe
is an Acidic area, unlike Waterperry.
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I really like the D. erinaceous.
Another of mine is looking good now. I showed this last year in the hope I might get a name for it but not even Allwoods could give me a name.
It's been in the family for over 50years, propagated by cuttings from my grandfather to my mother and now with me.
Any thoughts?
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No idea Graham what you plant is called but it's lovely. What a impact it has when planted in volume.
I have bought some Dianthus to try. Since I have seen your display I really would like to try it out here. I just hope they keep compact, the ones I have had previous go all woody.
Angie :)
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No idea Graham what you plant is called but it's lovely. What a impact it has when planted in volume.
I have bought some Dianthus to try. Since I have seen your display I really would like to try it out here. I just hope they keep compact, the ones I have had previous go all woody.
Angie :)
Angie,
I keep refreshing this one by taking cuttings and disposing of the old plants as they get woody. I suppose the turnover is about every five years.
Graham
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No idea Graham what you plant is called but it's lovely. What a impact it has when planted in volume.
I have bought some Dianthus to try. Since I have seen your display I really would like to try it out here. I just hope they keep compact, the ones I have had previous go all woody.
Angie :)
Angie,
I keep refreshing this one by taking cuttings and disposing of the old plants as they get woody. I suppose the turnover is about every five years.
Ok Graham so it's something that has to be done to keep the plants looking good. I have taken cuttings of a white form so hopefully I will have success.
Angie :)
Graham
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And they can be cut hard back after flowering, to keep them neat. This often produces a second crop of flowers. Your family plant is very good Graham. The scent must be wonderful from so many plants.
I had D. erinaceus from seed, from the original ACW collection in 1966. It rarely flowered more than one or two even when the plant was 60cms across. But one must have had a seed because after 10 years I found a self-sown seedling which has always flowered really well, though because it's planted out it flowers on the sunny side first then gradually the shady side comes into bloom. The original had a pale pink flower but the seedling is near to your colour Adrian, perhaps not quite so rich. For years I found both really difficult to propagate by cuttings, not only the extreme pain involved, but I would take 200 cuttings into a sandy compost and have 2 or 3 root. Then I started giving the plants copious amounts of water about two weeks before I wanted to do the cuttings and this make the cutting growth a little softer - no less painful though. Now I get about 90% root well so do only 30 or 40 cuttings. I take them in late summer, just after flowering from stems which haven't flowered. A lot of water given in mid spring makes them flower better too, otherwise the buds frequently abort, especially if their place is hot and dry. I get some seed, not much, and again, the harvesting is very painful, same as with Erinacea anthyllis. Long legged tweezers are the answer.
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Any thoughts?
yes and I wouldnt say no ;)
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Dianthus 'Fettes' Mount'
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I would love to make a collection of Dianthus - have started with a few but there are hardly any sources of old cultivars over here. Any fellow Aussies know of sources apart from Rob Peace who has been a great friend for many many years.
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Pat are they on the permitted list because i could send you seed from my plants.
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when is the best time to take cuttings?
best mix to roots in?
hormone?
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here are two un named highly scented plants from the local garden centre. They are possibly non hardy bedding plants
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lastly, the Allwoods goody boxes have arrived. Two of us put an order together. They are brilliant plugs with mostly good top growth. Some have flower buds.
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Mark i find you can take cuttings as long as you have long enough new growth anytime really while there's warmth,i put my cuttings in a fifty fifty john innes with sharp sand,sometimes i use hormone rooting powder if i remember.
They are some supersize plugs you have there and fantastic quality.
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Mark,
Davey's cutting advice is similar to what I would have suggested but I have never used hormone rooting powder. I don't think it is necessary.
Looking forward to seeing your plugs in flower.
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I'm out all day tomorrow so it will be a job for Sunday.
Maybe we should do a cuttings swap? I havent checks on what's available but I hope to take cuttings from
Dainty Dame
Tatra Fragrance
Tatra Chost
Tatra Fragrance seedling
Pike's Pink
Constance Finnis / Fair Lady
Whatfield Joy
Fusiler
Warden hybrid
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yep fantastic idea,got to go to Margrets garden today so ill sort what i have out to swop when i get back....also i might have a geranium surprise for you.
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Cuttings just about any time except dead of winter but quickest to root on the fresh growth after flowering. There's even material you could use on your new plugs, though I'd wait and get them growing on probably. I agree they don't need a rooting hormone. Keep them damp but well drained and not wet and not shaded too much. For carnations my mother used to split the cut end of the cutting and insert a tiny piece of soil or a miniscule pebble but it's not important and many Dianthus are too thin in the stem anyway.
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Mark
Is it possible to buy that kind of packing if you need only a few .Would be very handy to send plants to friends.
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For carnations my mother used to split the cut end of the cutting and insert a tiny piece of soil or a miniscule pebble but it's not important and many Dianthus are too thin in the stem anyway.
Lesley that's so interesting because thats exactly what my mother did with the pink Dianthus that I grow. I tried doing it without one year and had success so don't bother now.
Graham
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I havent taken any cuttings because it's been so dry here. Rain is due this week
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Still another Dianthus with small flowers - Dianthus webbianus
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Are DD. webbianus and erinaceus synonyms?
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A few from the garden today:
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Are DD. webbianus and erinaceus synonyms?
Yes they are Lesley !
I found out after buying webbianus and doing some research afterwards... and in the knowledge that I already grow erinaceus (bought some years ago from the same grower !) I was not a happy chappy... :( :-[
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Thanks Luc. Which is the correct name then? I've had erinaceus as erinaceus since 1966.
Those are lovely Giles. Are they Dianthus as such or more like carnations? They remind me of the old 'Sops in Wine' forms that my mother grew many years ago, with gound colour and streaks of other shades overlaying. Where are they now? Not here, anyway. There was a beauty called 'The Monk' which was truly grey/lavender with cerise markings. I loved it and would love to find it again. ::)
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According to the Kew plantlist, webbianus seems to be the now accepted name Lesley.... :-\
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Blast. Erinaceus is so perfectly descriptive of the plant. It is truly a vegetable hedgehog.
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I took Dianthus cuttings today and didnt get as many as I had hoped. Many have flower buds at their tips.
After a week or more in damp tissue the cuttings that Graham sent me had started to root
unnamed ex local garden centre
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I took Dianthus cuttings today and didnt get as many as I had hoped. Many have flower buds at their tips.
After a week or more in damp tissue the cuttings that Graham sent me had started to root
Obviously quality cuttings Mark ;) ;D
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Try some more cuttings when flowering has just about finished and there is plenty of new, non flowering growth. They should root quickly.