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Specific Families and Genera => Amaryllidaceae => Topic started by: Hans J on April 25, 2011, 11:57:51 AM

Title: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Hans J on April 25, 2011, 11:57:51 AM
.....une petite fleur ....but very rare: Acis fabrei

Before some years sent me a plantfriend a article about a new Acis species :
A.fabrei – he know that I'm interested for this small genus .
After a lot of searching for any sources of these plants or seeds I have realized that it is a really rare species – also asking many plant people and specialists could not help me . This plants are endemic in the Vaucluse – only in small populations .
We make very often in the Provence our holiday and so I decide to search for this plants ....it is very difficult without any help .
Now after 4 travels and uncounted KM of walks I had luck in this year and found this rare plants in flowers .....the population was only in a quader of 10 x 5 m – I have not count the plants but I think they was maybe 100 plants .....so all of you believe me that I'm very lucky on this day .

Please don't ask me anybody about this location – it is secret !

I have tried after this found to find similar locations with these plants....without any chance !

The next related Acis is shure A.nicaense ....it is not so far ( maybe 300 km ) – this plants grows in the area of Nizza . But never was found any populations of Acis between Vaucluse and Nizza ....
A main difference is the size : A.nicaense is bigger in all parts and has mostly two flowers ....A.fabrei is a really dwarf with always only one flower .

I'm very glad to share my pictures for all members of this wonderful forum

Enjoy
Hans
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Hans J on April 25, 2011, 12:00:07 PM
some more :
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Hans J on April 25, 2011, 12:01:29 PM
and more :
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Alberto on April 25, 2011, 12:07:22 PM
Hans, a wonderful finding! Congratulations!!!!
Ciao
Alberto
 
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Maggi Young on April 25, 2011, 12:12:05 PM
Well done for your success in finally finding this very charming little flower, Hans. Super fotos!
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Hans J on April 25, 2011, 12:26:37 PM
Thank you Alberto  ;D

I'm really proud for this found  8)

Hans
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Hans J on April 25, 2011, 12:30:26 PM
Well done for your success in finally finding this very charming little flower, Hans. Super fotos!

Thank you Maggi  :D

Shure you will know this german word : "Mehr Glück als Verstand"  ::)

I will post later other pics from other plants ....I hope you are satisfied for these pics too ....
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: bulborum on April 25, 2011, 12:34:28 PM
I have to go one more time it seems
I visited the site 3 times
and overlooked it probably
I found lots of Narcissus asoanus ??
so one more to go 100 km more west
there must be one other rare one
more rare as Acis fabrei
found only one time
and dried as specimen

I hope you found some seeds
I am interested :)

Roland
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Hans J on April 25, 2011, 12:44:20 PM
I have to go one more time it seems
I visited the site 3 times
and overlooked it probably
I found lots of Narcissus asoanus ??
so one more to go 100 km more west
there must be one other rare one
more rare as Acis fabrei
found only one time
and dried as specimen

I hope you found some seeds
I am interested :)

Roland


Roland :
The area where they grow is pretty big ....and the most you can walk only by foot  ;D
There is no chance to find it by car  :-\
If you are going to the wrong time so you will have no chance ...this plants are only 3 -4 cm ....

Narcissus assoanus ( or requienii) is pretty common in the sounthern area of Vaucluse -I know a lot of places ....please wait I will post a other topic from my trip under "Travel" with many other plants...

Hans
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Maggi Young on April 25, 2011, 12:48:13 PM


Thank you Maggi  :D

Sure you will know this german word : "Mehr Glück als Verstand"  ::)

I will post later other pics from other plants ....I hope you are satisfied for these pics too ....

Yes, I know this... but in your case I think the latin phrase Per ardua ad astra is better!
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Hans J on April 25, 2011, 12:53:37 PM
Many Thanks Maggi !

you are really generous to me  ;)
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Gerdk on April 25, 2011, 06:13:52 PM
Congratulations Hans! The Acis is really 'rarissima'!

Gerd
so one more to go 100 km more west
there must be one other rare one
more rare as Acis fabrei
found only one time
and dried as specimen

Roland - is there a chance to get to know of which species you are talking about???

Gerd
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Paddy Tobin on April 25, 2011, 06:25:00 PM
Congratulations, Hans, and well done on your discovery. It is well deserved after your perseverance. It is, indeed, a beautiful plant, so small and so perfect, a true delight.

Well done and many thanks for sharing the experience with us, Paddy
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Hans J on April 25, 2011, 06:33:49 PM
Thank you Gerd and Paddy !

It is my pleasure to share my expierience with all ...we all learn each day from each other  :D

Hans
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: angie on April 25, 2011, 06:50:12 PM
Hans thanks for sharing. You must have been so happy seeing this lovely plant  :D
Good to keep it secret and safe.

Angie :)
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Hans J on April 25, 2011, 07:35:26 PM
Hans thanks for sharing. You must have been so happy seeing this lovely plant  :D
Good to keep it secret and safe.

Angie :)

Thank you Angie  :D
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: ashley on April 25, 2011, 07:39:52 PM
I hope you found some seeds

Thanks for showing us this very beautiful species Hans.

Since it is so rare and vulnerable then I hope it is well protected.
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: David Nicholson on April 25, 2011, 07:47:13 PM
Well found Hans, a beautiful little plant.
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Hans J on April 25, 2011, 07:49:22 PM
Thank you Ashley  :D

My fear is if there any fires so are this small populations easy destroyed ....there is a really dry area with low bushes ( Garrique ) .....maybe this is the reason why this plants are so rare ?

Hans
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Hans J on April 25, 2011, 07:50:13 PM
Thank you David  :D
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: bulborum on April 27, 2011, 06:50:28 AM
 Hello Gerd

I hope you can remember me after May
to buzzy now
I have to go in the books

Roland
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: BULBISSIME on June 14, 2011, 09:30:52 PM
Congratulations hans !
Even in France, very very few people know this plant and location... to keep secret
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Gerdk on June 15, 2011, 11:47:02 AM
Congratulations Hans! The Acis is really 'rarissima'!

Gerd
so one more to go 100 km more west
there must be one other rare one
more rare as Acis fabrei
found only one time
and dried as specimen

Roland - is there a chance to get to know of which species you are talking about???


Hello Gerd
I hope you can remember me after May
to buzzy now
I have to go in the books
Roland
Gerd

Hi Roland,
The last contribution reminded me to ask my question again -
still very curious to know which plant was in your mind!

Gerd
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: bulborum on June 15, 2011, 01:23:56 PM
Gerd

I will have a look in the books this weekend

Roland
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Yann on September 12, 2017, 07:30:47 AM
I'm reopening this thread just to inform the location Hans talked about has been devastated by fire 2 weeks ago.
The east part of the forest of J----n (to keep it secret  ;)) is now a black zone. The site near the forestry track is almost intact but the one located further is totaly burnt.

I'm curious to see how the bulbs have survived to the heat.
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Gerdk on September 12, 2017, 01:47:40 PM
Yann,
If Acis/Leucojum responds to burning in the manner as Narcissus does there is some hope
that the species will ' successfully rise from the ashes '.

Gerd
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Robert on September 12, 2017, 02:48:00 PM
Of coarse, I am not at all familiar with this site, however I do have questions.

Fire is not part of the natural ecosystem in this region as it is in California?

Fire will often improve the growth and propagation of California native bulbs.

It seems that a region that was prone to fire could benefit from fire - or at least it might have in the past before the natural fire cycle was disrupted. In California, even with the hot, unnatural crown fires that occur now, native bulbs generally benefit when the overgrowth is burned off and the ash adds nutrients to the soil. The only exception I may have observed were areas of the Rim Fire near Yosemite National Park. In places the fire was so extreme that absolutely nothing sprouted after the fire. This is highly unusual and only occurred in isolated sites on the crest of some ridges where the fire could burn especially hot. Most areas sprout with new growth the first spring after a fire. My observations in California seem to indicate that all sorts of "new" plants appear after a fire, i.e. they were suppressed by the overgrowth for a number of reasons and the fire now gives them an opportunity to grow and thrive.

Anyway, it is very sad to hear about the loss of habitat. Keep a watch on the area. You might be pleasantly surprised by what returns very shortly and how well some species thrive.
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Yann on September 12, 2017, 03:52:10 PM
I'll repay a visit to the area next march, Narcissus bulbs are often deep in the soil, not Acis.
If fire was fast burning, usually the case, bulbs will survive.
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Karaba on September 12, 2017, 03:56:07 PM
As Robert, I'm quite confident that they will sprout again next year. I doubt that the fire cooked the earth several cm deep.
Acis fabrei is very localized but this forest represent a small part of its population, others populations are localized futher north.

Yann, are you talking about the fire of Gordes ?
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Hans J on April 21, 2019, 09:44:13 AM
Hello ,

I have a good news ...
We are just back from a one week trip from southern France and we have visit all four locations of Acis fabrei - there was no any fires ...so nothing is destroyed from this very rare plants
I know only one location exact ( they have just starting with flowering ) from those others locations I have only rough ideas where they are ....it was a lot of effort with walking and searching but it was worth :)

I enclose a scan of a flyer with some informations about Jean -Henri Fabri ...this man was a really interesting botanist
( beside a lot of other interests )

Hans
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Gerdk on April 24, 2019, 07:10:44 PM
This is what was raised from SRGC seed 2016 - sown 22.01.2016 - first flowers
- and apparently not Acis fabrei

Gerd
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Hans J on April 24, 2019, 08:27:39 PM
“there was the wish the father of the thought”

here comes the true Acis fabei ( pictures from habitat )
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Karaba on April 25, 2019, 09:01:41 AM
This is what was raised from SRGC seed 2016 - sown 22.01.2016 - first flowers
- and apparently not Acis fabrei

Gerd
I have the same problem with seeds from SRGC seedex 2017. Also first flowers this year and the first stem has 4 flowers which seems too much for fabrei (it's a lot even for nicaeensis). Style seems not to fit also but i didn't count the ribs on the tepal (data from a paper on the two species). I thought that it was seeds from Hans but apparently no and misidentified.
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Hans J on April 25, 2019, 12:00:36 PM
Sorry Yvain ...

But I would never go to the location and collecting seeds for a seed exchange
The other point is it is very different when is flowering time and when the seeds ripe ...there is big variation of few weeks
Every year is different !
I have in meantime visit my location 7 times !!!
Sometimes I was too early ...sometimes I was too late ( and later in year there is no chance when the leaves are dry )
P.E. in this year I found only two open flowers ...all others was still in buds
The people from which we hire a small house told us the March was unusual warm ...but the April was very cold

Hans
Title: Re: .....une petite fleur : Acis fabrei
Post by: Yann on August 06, 2019, 07:13:19 AM
few weeks ago i revisited an other area where i also found few Acis, no fire in this part. There're now 11 areas known to host this species, 4 new zones where found this spring. Good news!
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