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Specific Families and Genera => Iris => Topic started by: LucS on April 02, 2010, 12:02:19 PM
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Now in flower is Iris bloudowii. According to the Iris book of B. Mathew this is allied to Iris humilis.
It is a native of Siberia, Russian Central Asia in the Tien Shan Mtns and possibly also in China. Habitat is mountain wood margins, scrub or alpine meadows at 1500-2000m.
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Luc,
fabulous! I've seed of this species, and hope to have plants in the next 2-3 years, as I want to breed them to arils, specifically regelias. Do you have any pollen to spare?
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Here is I. scariosa opened yesterday and I. mandschurica today.
John B
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Very nice planys everybody !
I love I. scariosa... where does it come from ?
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John what sort of conditions have you given I. mandschurica?
Seems that I. scariosa can be shy to flower too - you have done well.
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Beautiful! I love Iris scariosa....
I'm not sure about the taxonomic status of this species Iris clausii
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Beautiful, Rafa!
As I understand it, this is now considered I. pumila. I don't know if it is given a varietal or ssp. status, or whatever. Chromosome count might clear things up a bit.
My I. pumila opened today, but i didn't have the camera. I'll post some shots tomorrow. I really love this dwarf species. They have an almost crystalline quality to the flowers. Very jewel-like.
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The II scariosa and mandschurica are delicious. I've had seed of the latter but it didn't germinate over 5 years. ???
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I love this dwarf species too :)
Here are some variations on Iris lutescens ssp lutescens, in the south of France
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Thank you Jamie.
I germinate some time ago 5 seeds of Iris mandschurica but after 1 year I lost all the little plants...
Superb! Fred, I never seen bicoulour plants in spanish populations.
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Fred if there is any seed available any time of the different pumilas please keep me in mind.
Yes the bicolor is pretty interesting in its colouring.
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Hi Fred. I got it from Sergey Banketov in 2008. He collected in the Stavrapol region, Russia.
John B
Very nice planys everybody !
I love I. scariosa... where does it come from ?
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Hi Rafa. Mandschurica will be in the overseas list of the ASI sale this year.
John B
Thank you Jamie.
I germinate some time ago 5 seeds of Iris mandschurica but after 1 year I lost all the little plants...
Superb! Fred, I never seen bicoulour plants in spanish populations.
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thank you John, but I'm not member... I will ask Vojtech for any seed. This is not an easy species here...
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Ok Pat, I should have seeds for you ;)
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Here are a few shots of my 'pumila pan'. I received both plants from Joseph Mayr, better known for his amazing oncocyclus culture in Bavaria. As these are never truly deciduous, I take it they come from the German-Alps area.
Wish I had my better camera, but it is out-of-house!
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Flowering here today:
a plant I bought as Iris bucharica (I thought it was supposed to be white/yellow and not blue/yellow?)
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Wim,
You are right- Iris bucharica should be white and yellow.
Your plant seems to be a hybrid of Iris bucharica...maybe Iris graeberiana x Iris bucharica, like is shown here:
http://www.junos.ca/HTML%20Pages/graebhyb-1.html
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Beautiful plants everybody!
I have some seedlings of these species... Can't wait to see them in flower ;)
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Flowering here today:
a plant I bought as Iris bucharica (I thought it was supposed to be white/yellow and not blue/yellow?)
But you are surely not complaining Wim. ;D
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@ Miriam: thanks for the determination: some other people thought it was Iris x graeberiana 'Yellow Fall'. I'm not sure but it's nice.
@ Lesley: Not complaining ;) just want to know what I'm growing... although even without a name it's very nice... (a rose by any other name...)
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Wim,
here is what i have as I. graeberiana Yellow Falls. It certainly looks like your plant. Of course, as I have this from Nijssen, I have no idea if the variety is correct. I have quite a few mislabled plants from them.
Jamie
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Wim,
here is what i have as I. graeberiana Yellow Falls. It certainly looks like your plant. Of course, as I have this from Nijssen, I have no idea if the variety is correct. I have quite a few mislabled plants from them.
Jamie
dosn't look quite right to me, is it still a small bulb?
Here is what I have as I autosyndetica
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Iris autosyndetic
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Where on earth did that name come from Peter? ???
Of course I. graeberiana 'Yellow Falls' is, I believe, graeberiana x bucharica so anyone repeating the cross would likely get a selection of variations. Should the original clone be called just 'Yellow Fall?'
They all look very nice to me.
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hello Lesley, I just grow them - I (usually) don't invent the names.
Iris autosyndetica = Iris pumila x hoogiana, simonet 1938 ( before white's aril hybreds) has a reputation for being variable in coulor which fits given its parents, but posiably variable in coulor in a single clone though I have yet to observe this :P
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Wim,
here is what i have as I. graeberiana Yellow Falls. It certainly looks like your plant. Of course, as I have this from Nijssen, I have no idea if the variety is correct. I have quite a few mislabled plants from them.
Jamie
dosn't look quite right to me, is it still a small bulb?
Here is what I have as I autosyndetica
Peter,
yes, it is still a small bulb. First year blooming. Lesley made an interesting point, although i suspect all the Dutch industry produced bulbs are the same clone. It could be there is another clone in North America, or the conditions are simply different. As I mentioned, I am really unsure as to the veracity of the name, just that mine does look like what marches about here as 'Yellow Falls'.
I autosyndetica! Is this a remake of the cross? Fascinating to see one. Have you worked with it in hybridizing?
Lesley, this was an experimental cross from Simonet to see how two tetraploids would breed. As I. pumila has 2n=4x=32 chromosomes (8-8-8-8) and I. hoogiana has 2n=4x=44 chr. (11-11-11-11), this hybrid an amphidiploid (chromosomes 8-8-11-11) and thus fertile. The term used back then for such a plant was an autosyndetic genome, thus the name. Obviously, Simonet didn't think much about fanciful names for his hybrids, but he was a scientist!
Yes, more than you wanted to know :o ::) ;D
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Iris autosyndetica = Iris pumila x hoogiana, simonet 1938 ( before white's aril hybreds) has a reputation for being variable in coulor which fits given its parents, but posiably variable in coulor in a single clone though I have yet to observe this :P
Peter,
your Iris cross resembles in habitus my I. pumila posted in Bearded Iris http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=371.645 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=371.645), page 44, reply 656).
It gives me an idea what hybrid origin it could be. thanks.
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I think this will be an origional clone Jaimie.
On the whole, while I grow hybreds I like, I am only interested in creating pure species seed. I value autosindetica as a plant also as a piece of horticultural history and as an example of an intersectional cross, If you would like to hybridise with it you are welcome to a fan. It might be an interesting direction as it is not what I believe is currently being worked on though I may be wrong.
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Arilbreds are performing well in the open garden, 2 years ago a couple of tatty rhizome left overs were planted out, the best sections coddled in a frame, the left overs are out-performing the frame grown plants by orders of magnitude!!!
Iris Vera-Olivia
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Peter,
of course I would love to get a hold of a piece. This is a key direction in breeding for me. I have been collecting smaller species of Iris to work with, but I really need to work with tetraploids (amphidiploids, etc.). Many of the SDB hybrids are partly derived from I. chamaeiris, which tends to make them useless for hybridizing with arils and arilbreds. I just did a chromosome count on a bunch of unknow species seedlings I sprouted this Spring, and they look to be all I. attica, so it's back to the drawing board. As I didn't get the best resolution on the count, I will re-do it, but visually the difference between 16 and 32 chromosomes is pretty big, therefore no high hopes.
Other species I am collecting are I. aphylla, I. pumila (complex) and I. schachtii. I want to create a race based on regeliapumilas, as I prefer smaller, compact plants.
In any case, try to remember me during division season. I may have something you want, as well.
Jamie
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Wow, Chris,
your Vera-Olivia looks great. I've found all these 'sisters' to be great garden plants.
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Peter and Jamie, thanks for that information Not more than I wanted to hear but probably more than I need since I'm not attempting to breed irises of any kind. All the same, it's very interesting so I'm happy to be lectured. ;D
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Iris hylorid
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That's a colourful one Michael. In a year or two it will be a great clump. :D
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Now flowering in the garden:
Iris Gingerbread Man.jpg
Iris Ultimate.jpg
Iris Penny Candy.jpg
Iris Sass with Class.jpg
Iris reichenbachii purple.jpg
Iris japonica.jpg
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Wonderful coloured Iris reichenbachii, Rudi!
Do you grow Iris japonica with protection in winter?
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Lovely I japonica, I dont do well with it :( here is a picture of an evansia cross, I "wittii x wattii", which was at the Iris show a week ago
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Peter,
thank you for showing this beautiful and interesting Iris cross, I have never heard about it before.
Hans,
I grow Iris japonica without any protection in a sheltered place near the house in company with a
big bamboo plant.
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Iris wattii x I. wattii is, of course, just Iris wattii. Maybe a selected form?
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Iris wattii x I. wattii is, of course, just Iris wattii. Maybe a selected form?
The cross is Iris wattii x I wittii lesley two different plants allied to Iris confusa which is aptly named!
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Iris wittii? Never heard of it. Sorry, my mistake. :-[
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The Google references are sparse at best. Can you give a reference for a botanical description please?
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Hello Lesley,
Iris of China by James Waddick and Zhao Yu-tang should cover it but I find it an awkward referance book to look up, due to multiple index listings and cross referances.
A guide to Species Irises by the British Iris Society Species Group is much easier.
Iris wittii was Introduced as a posiable new form of confusa but aparently given specific rank. I did not see wittii in the index of Iris of China when I had a quick look.
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No, it's not in 'Iris of China' and someone else had my "Guide to..."
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Here's an example of Iris tingitana I got from Kurt Vickery last year.
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No, it's not in 'Iris of China' and someone else had my "Guide to..."
Not a book to lend out! :o its on page 121 I think ::) I found this though http://www.hort.net/lists/iris/dec00/msg00075.html
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some evansias out here, Iris cristata, Iris cristata Vein Mountain, Iris cristata Little Jay, and a Pacific coast Iris which I'd be glad of a name for if its not a hybred.
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and Iris tectorum (?Burma form)
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The various cristatas are lovely Peter. I really like the very pale one. I'd suggest the PC is a hybrid with some douglasii in it. Usually douglasii hybs have a turquoise influence below the haft but it can be just about washed out in the very pale ones. The wide falls are indicative of douglasii blood.
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Thanks Lesley, I thought the flower resembled douglasii too, but I know douglasii as having much courser foliage than this, it grows well too :D
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Generally, the foliage would be very heavy and even leathery and wide but if the other (putative) parent were, say, innominata or chrysophylla, that could give finer foliage. I think it's just about impossible to guarantee any PC as truly this or that unless the seed if from known wild sources and collected by someone really in the know. Which I'm NOT.
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I bought this Iris verna a few weeks ago without really knowing anything about it. Other than it was North American and it would therefore go in my North American trough.
I am really pleased with the outcome. It is a very pretty little iris and I am now really looking forward to it bulking up. :)
Graham
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Good luck Graham, some people find Iris verna easy, but not every one!
Iris moorecroftiana from Pats seed, in flower here, A synonym for Iris lactea but it has a huge range and may involve several species so I keep the superceded name for this pant.
also the first sibirica of the season, which I bought as Iris typhifolia which I think it is, It also has a tendency to be remontant.
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I think it's just about impossible to guarantee any PC as truly this or that unless the seed if from known wild sources and collected by someone really in the know. Which I'm NOT.
me too and they are a nightmare to work out, got a beautifull one from hand polinated seed to post soon, suposed to be innominata, but a bee got there first :-\, here's a couple of more advanced pci hybreds I grew from seed, sorry about the freak flower but these things happen
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Nice to see your clump of moorcroftiana Peter - that is what I received it as many years ago as seed either from BIS or SIGNA. I had not clicked that it was an Iris lactea - I have many clumps of these that do so well. I thought this one flowered later than the other lacteas.
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For me it was a busy year till yet. So very late, I show now picts of my Iris collection. Some are new and have flowered for the first time.....
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Gerhard :o :o :o
Some amazing irises - love the deep blue/purples
orjeni I have not found in any books so far - is it a name rather than a species?
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Dear Pat,
I. orjenii is one of the rarest Iris: It is described some years ago, probably a etablished population of a cross between I. reichenbachii / I. bosniaca and a member of the I. pallida group ( I. pseudoillyrica ). There have been found only aprox. 200 plants on Mt. Orjeni in Dalmatia.
If you want I could send you the origin describtion.
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Yes please Gerhard I would certainly welcome the original description.
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I am speechless with amazement - do you open your garden when all these are in season?
I hope that you are able to get seed from some of these as they are very desirable - even OP see would be good from these.
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And here are picts of the Iris species, which I have found on the trip to Cyprus:
Iris cypriana and an albino clone. I don`t believe that it is I. cypriana var. alba, because the plant is half the size in all parts of usual I. cypriana
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Gerhard, what wonderfull plants, I am looking for a form of Iris reichenbachii I once grew. it was violet but simiar to the one you have pictured, The flower was a large sphere and the plant was very small with falcate leaves
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Love these thin stemmed tall species - so different to the chunky compact species. Similar to what I grow as Iris trojana.
I hope you will try for seed in any of the species that you grow.
What was the thin leaved bulb in the Anacrusius photo?
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and here are more picts
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Gerhard, what wonderfull plants, I am looking for a form of Iris reichenbachii I once grew. it was violet but simiar to the one you have pictured, The flower was a large sphere and the plant was very small with falcate leaves
There are two or three clones of I. reichenbachii in my collection , which aren`t usual yellow. I`ll look for a pict of the other clone. If the clumbs are great enough I would give away a division.
Unfortunately a clone isn`t hard enough to grow it for a long time in the garden here in zone 6b
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Love these thin stemmed tall species - so different to the chunky compact species. Similar to what I grow as Iris trojana.
I hope you will try for seed in any of the species that you grow.
What was the thin leaved bulb in the Anacrusius photo?
Yes, Iris trojana is similar ( mayby identical with I. cypriana). Here you will find a pict of my usual clumb of I. trojana , which is still in flower. http://www.cypripedium.at/Fotoalbum%20Iridaceae/Iris%20trojana.jpg
The plants around Anacrusius belong to a white flowering Allium spec. , which grews on pure calcy cliffs at the Adriatic Sea. I haven`t enough time and haven`t made the ID till yet, but there aren`t a lot of species in this area.
If you want seeds, please inform me pm with the wishlist. This year I focus on Hepatica spp., so I haven`t pollinated a lot of Iris spp.
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Gerhard, where should I start? There are so many super plants in your postings and so many questions I want to ask. Can you say something more about anacrusius? Where does it come from and is that normal colouring? Is it close to, e.g. pumila?
The Cypriot pictures are wonderful. Tall, elegant plants which are very attractive. I hope you will collect seed off as many of all these irises as possible and send some to AGS and SRGC exchanges.
Peter/Pat, seed too from Iris moorcroftiana/lactea. It is different from forms I've seen in NZ and anyway, they're not available anywhere I can find. We no longer seem to have a nursery with Iris species, only interminable tall and lower bearded cultivars and some siberians. Very occasionally a smaller species from our one remaining alpine nursery.
Graham, well done with your I. verna. I grow it reasonably well and my experience is that it doesn't like to be too moist as I originally thought and lost some to winter rotting. I think a light, woodsy type of mixture with humus and some grit suit it best. Nor does it like too much shade. There's a beautiful pure white form too.
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Lesley. Anacrusis is an Arilbred by Harald Mathed of Germany. Registered in 1992.
This is the parentage - Dresden Gold X T-IA-M: ((I. iberica x I. auranitica) x I. mellita).
John B
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Sorry for typo. That should read "Harald Mathes"
Lesley. Anacrusis is an Arilbred by Harald Mathed of Germany. Registered in 1992.
This is the parentage - Dresden Gold X T-IA-M: ((I. iberica x I. auranitica) x I. mellita).
John B
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Gerhard, where should I start? There are so many super plants in your postings and so many questions I want to ask. Can you say something more about anacrusius? Where does it come from and is that normal colouring? Is it close to, e.g. pumila?
The Cypriot pictures are wonderful. Tall, elegant plants which are very attractive. I hope you will collect seed off as many of all these irises as possible and send some to AGS and SRGC exchanges.
Dear Lesley,
John has explaind the origin of Iris Anacrusius.
I have obtained, that darkness of colouration depends on the temperature while the anthesis and differs every year a little bid. This year Anacrusius blooms very dark, and I have reduced the expose, because on the other side it won`t possible to see the beard on the pict.
Here is the pict of last year : http://www.cypripedium.at/Fotoalbum%20Iridaceae/Aril%20Anacrusius.jpg
This incident we find in other plants too, for example Magnolia or at Cypripedium reginae
I`ll do my best to distribute seeds....
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Lesley I know what you mean about iris species being offered for sale - none in these parts at all. Robyn R of course and a few from Marcus but growing from seed seem to be the only way. Does make you feel as though you are alone in the wilderness sometimes.
I will try to get some seed of Iris moorcroftiana for you Lesley.
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Wonderful collection Gerhard.
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Thank you all, John, Gerhard and Pat. I can see the auranitica is that lovely glowing copper colour.
You're right Pat, we ARE very much in the wilderness in NZ and AUS now, with nothing new allowed into the country. IT's so depressing to see such fabulous plants shown here and at the shows and know we can never even TRY to grow them, let alone succeed.
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This plant was grown from seed labled Iris innominata hand pollinated, I am not very familier with the species but though lovely I think it is a hybred, I have another plant of innominata which is much smaller with grass like leaves.
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I think it is a hybrid too Peter but a very nice one in both form and colour. Innominatas are very nice for picking for a vase.
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First Dutch Irises of the year for me, always seems to be the white/yellows that flower first.
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My only blooming PCI, a hybrid I raised from douglasiana seed many years ago. Still with me, but is not a strong a bloomer as before.
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My first flowering of I. delavayi from wild collected seed collected by the taxonomic author of Iris of China, Waddick, James W.; Yu-Tang, Zhao. It only took fives years, but the flower is beautiful and at 1 m high it makes an impression.
Aaron
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Beautiful flower, Aaron.
for those who would like details of the book:
Iris of China : James W. Waddick and Zhao Yu-tang :ISBN 0-88192-207-2, printed by Timber Press in 1992
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I. delavayi, if given a good moist and rich soil, will grow to all of TWO metres. A magnificent sight in full bloom. :D
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Heres two that are out now.
1 I.innominata
2 PCI lost label(peter your welcome to a piece of this as well)
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good plants Davey, My innominata is very tiny and is all yellow,
Here is a picture of another PCI species, Iris chrysophylla, a vigorous form, a picture of my Xdouglasii seedling in full bloom, and I confusa which I grew from Brittish Iris Society seed
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and a close up of the I confusa
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Lovely selection Peter.
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Lovely to see Iris chrysophylla in flower. It took me a couple of attempts to bring them past seedling stage. They germinated well (from NZIS seed I think) and were potted up but rotted off at about 3-5 months. The present batch are doing much better, though with recent heavy rain, I might put the pots over bark or gravel instead of in their present polystyrene trays where they don't drain as well.
It's that awful time of year here when there's not a single iris in bloom. I hate it!
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I find sand best Lesley, it gets a better capiliary action, air under the pots prevents excess water from draining, ( perched water table, I recently discoverd that it is called) - you probably know anyway but I thought I'd say just in case
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Way back in 2006 I was given a bit of this Iris. It flowered the following year.
I've had to wait three years for it to flower again. One flowering stem back then but 10 this year!!
First photo taken with a Nikon Coolpix
Next two taken with a Canon ixus
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nice PCI Mark 8)
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Very nice indeed Mark.
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Big Wheel possibly. I just phoned the person who gave me my bit. She says Raspberry Ripple
This autumn I have to divide it and spread it around ;)
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Hey Lesley still no Iris with you? bring on vartanii and planifolia :P Do you think this flower is too full for innominata? I put my hand in for scale, a three year old seedling. Its all of ~3" high
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Which one do you mean Peter? The last yellow? or did the picture get missed in this most recent post?
You're right about the sand being best for drainage. I need to get a frame put together and filled with sand. Bark fines are OK once the roots get down that far and begin to grow into them.
I don't have I. vartanii or its white form and planifolia isn't flowering this year. Too dry last winter/spring/summer I think and the bulbs (only 2) have become smaller.
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Sorry Lesley, I forgot to attatch the picture :-[ ?Iris innominata here. My planifolias didn't like the frost this winter and lost a lot of leaf as well as flower, then with a hot spring they went dormant early; so I'll probably join you in the small bulb class in a few months :( , still the company will be good what with onion stew and all ;D
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just a few further current picts of my Iris collection
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Sorry Lesley, I forgot to attatch the picture :-[ ?Iris innominata here. My planifolias didn't like the frost this winter and lost a lot of leaf as well as flower, then with a hot spring they went dormant early; so I'll probably join you in the small bulb class in a few months :( , still the company will be good what with onion stew and all ;D
Dear Peter,
I do have some some seedlings of I. innominata from 2 sources in stock, I believe the seeds are from native Oregon places. Do you believe it is possible to leave them outside here in zone 6b in winter under a pine ? I don`t have experience with PCI....
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I was at -12 centigrade for two weeks twice this spring with no snow cover, My innominatas are quite happy, but you could check the winter temperatures for south west Oregon. I understand innominata can grow quite high up the mountains. It does like a loose leafy woodland soil and hates its roots disturbed.
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Some interesting old irises there Gerhard, not often seen nowadays. The kamaonensis cross is of interest to me.
Peter yours looks pretty close to the species I should think, the foliage is really fine and neat and the flower a lovely one, small and elegant. It would be helpful if some of the western Americans were looking at these PCs.
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Gerhard,
Do you have a photo of sweertii - I am keen to know the correct one.
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Another iris in bloom today is Iris ruthenica
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Another iris in bloom today is Iris ruthenica
looks like I. graminea
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I was at -12 centigrade for two weeks twice this spring with no snow cover, My innominatas are quite happy, but you could check the winter temperatures for south west Oregon. I understand innominata can grow quite high up the mountains. It does like a loose leafy woodland soil and hates its roots disturbed.
Dear Peter,
many thanks for your information. I`ll try some seedlings and will put them in the garden.
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Will post pictures of gramineas and hopefully some of ruthenica
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Iris germanica fall fiesta.
Iris filifolia var latifolia
Dutch Iris double flower.
Iris ?
PC. hybs.
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What a lovely selection of Irises Michael. I'm waiting for my I filifolia to flower. Haven't seen a double Dutch Iris before.
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Michael, wonderful collection, especially the PCIs
first thought your Iris spec. could be Iris setosa
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Here's a pic of part of my little Iris bed which I have planted out with plants I have grown from Seed Ex. seed sown mainly in 2007 with some in 2008. So far I have a few of each of the following:- chrysographes; spuria ssp. maritima; spuria ssp. musulmanica; sintenisii; lutescens; sibirica and setosa var. hookeri. I have high hopes of it next year if I can keep the local cats off it >:( It's nothing to shout about this year but one of the I. sintenisii has thrown up a couple of blooms.
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I think it is setosa too, They are super Michael, Fall Fiesta is amazing, I love th xiphium species, great to see them.
This is an Iris I grew from seed a few years ago any one able to give me a name please
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Looks very promising David ;)- are your retics in there as well ??
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Looks very promising David ;)- are your retics in there as well ??
No Luc, they are all in a different bed.
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Oleg, your iris is definitely I. graminea. Have a sniff at it. It should be scented of apricots or greengages. :P
And your unidentified one is definitely setosa Michael. There are several forms and the shorter forms (to about 15 inches) are var hookeri or var nana or var canadensis, depending on source or preference I think.
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Thanks, Gerhard and Lesley for the correct identification of the Iris
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Iris setosa Tourist Which is about 4 feet tall ( over 1meter) and Iris bulleyana coll Seichuan both in the rain, and a tetraploid sibtosa :o I think it is called Iris Sunny Red Wine.
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Oh my goodness, Peter, where are you growing that giant setosa?
Last year a tiny PCI seedling from Lois Belardi's Just My Type bloomed for me. It was the only one from about a dozen seedlings that had the slightest resemblance to its blue and white seed parent, as the others were all pale yellow and purple. The pollen parent was unknown, but perhaps it contributed the yellow to all the other seedlings, and one seed could have been self-pollinated. I was delighted with it, even though it does not seem at all strong and did not flower this year.
This year a friend's seedling flowered. She was very excited, and I love it too. She thinks perhaps the seed came from the Alpine Club of B.C.'s seed exchange, so there is no way we can know the parentage.
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Wow, Diane,
your friends seedling is just fabulous! I've not yet seen such a clear play of shape, contrast and colour in a PCH before. Absolutely smashing!
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Wow, Diane,
your friends seedling is just fabulous! I've not yet seen such a clear play of shape, contrast and colour in a PCH before. Absolutely smashing!
Absolutely!! a fabulous seedling Diane.
I believe Setosa Tourist is a wild selection, Its seed is sometimes offerd but I bought this named from joe pye weed in America, It has had no fertiliser or special encoragement
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I regularly pull out seedlings that I find unsatisfactory, but I have learned to
check more thoroughly before doing so. Sometimes a plant with the most
insipid flowers has other desirable qualities.
So - I smell it. (I've had only one scented PCI so far, about 25 years ago,
and it died, but I keep hoping for another.)
I count the buds. I was just about to rip out a plant once and noticed it had
nine buds per stem.
Here is the latest plant that I almost pulled - well, almost dug out since it is
a big clump. It opened its first bud April 15 and has just finished flowering.
Digital pictures make it so easy to keep track of flowering dates.
That is 6 weeks of flowers, so I can forgive its tucked-under flowers, and
might decide to use it for hybridizing next year. Too late for this year, as
I just checked the calendar today and the last flower has shrivelled.
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hi, what iris is this, i mean a siberica forma...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild009-42.jpg?t=1275489940)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild007-54.jpg?t=1275489962)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild008-48.jpg?t=1275489999)
thanks
chris
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Hi folks. The beardless are coming on strong now. I'll start with the Spurias.
The first one is a seedling of mine from Zambawonga x Adriatic Blue.
Gold Mania
Hoka Hoona
Zambawonga
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And now the Louisiana Iris.
I.nelsonii
Black Gamecock
Cherry Cup
Sinfonieta
White Umbrella
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That first seedling is sure a stunner John. I guess with 10 billion irises out there, there are bound to be some wacky names around. ;D
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Wonderful clarity of colour and precise design in your first Spuria seedling.
It must have been a surprise from a brown x a blue. Whenever I try
something like that, I just get mucky colours.
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John, what a great seedling! Obviously, a well thought-out cross! ;D ;D ::) You just never know. do you. That's exactly what we all love about hybridizing, the chance of creating something wonderful. It sort of looks like an eclipse in blue.
Your louisianas are great. I have buds coming, but this is a group of iris I can never seem to germinate. Is there a secret, other than removing the cork!, as with any good bottle.
Jamie
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hi, what iris is this, i mean a siberica forma...
thanks
chris
Chris, I have a plant that looks like yours.
My plant came from Ernst Pagels some years before he died, but I presume it never received a name.
He gave it to me and said it is a good plant and I should observe it and give my meaning.
Well I got ill and Pagels died, so we never met anymore.
It is a nice low growing plant and reliable flowering every year on a rather poor, dry spot.
Just the color is not good for selling in greater numbers.
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luit, the plants looks ike mine ...super, now we must know what it is...i hope anyone knows...
cheers
chris
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lesley, exspecially for you, the iris is in bloom now...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild021-8.jpg?t=1275654350)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild020-9.jpg?t=1275654374)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild019-13.jpg?t=1275654396)
cheers
chris
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hi, iris sibirica from seed...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild016-16.jpg?t=1275654532)
unknown beauty
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild017-15.jpg?t=1275654568)
cheers
chris
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Lovely sibirica seedlings Chris.
Here is the so-called English Iris-Iris latifolia flowering for me for the first time, together with another of my Dutch Irises.
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david, thanks here by me is a narural habitat, at a wet meadow...
cheers
chris
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Chris,
you unknown yellow/white may be 'Butter and Sugar' or 'Chartreuse Bounty'
Here are some I. siberica seedlings from over the years. They just pop up around the garden. The second one is clearly a cross with the wild form and a modern hybrid.
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hi jamie,
very nice sibirica forms...thanks for answer...
cheers
chris
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Hi,
Flowering today.
Iris Chrysographes 'Kew Black'
Graham
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Graham, WOW, what a fabulous iris and what a colour, I love it :)
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Very nice Graham. My iris chrysographes 'Inshriach Form' grown from Seed Ex. seed turned out to be I. pseudacorus :(
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Thank you Chris. It is lovely indeed. I think (if it's the same one as you showed in bud) that I was wrong and it IS a Louisiana, not the spuria hybrid I suggested.
There is a good sibirica hybrid called 'Butter and Sugar." Could that be your white and yellow one?
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I was at John Massey's garden open day yesterday at Ashwood nurseries. He has a fantastic border of Iris sibirica cultivars of which I particularly liked 'Shaker's Prayer' - a tall form with the flowers held clear of the foliage and beautifully veined petals. Sadly they didn't have any sibiricas for sale in the nursery but they did have a lovely display of 'Wisley White'.
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What a beautiful garden and planting Gail, thanks so much for showing :) I really like the simple form of I.sibirica as you describe:
I particularly liked 'Shaker's Prayer' - a tall form with the flowers held clear of the foliage and beautifully veined petals
What strikes me most is the fountain effect of interplanting of Carex and other plants with wonderful leaf display so the irises shine above and the animals hidden within, expecially the otter 8)
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For any lurkers in Ireland and members
I was in the botanic gardens in Dublin yesterday. The Iris collection is stunning ... and the scent!
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Some Iris sibirica forms from the garden today.
Iris sibirica 'Chartreuse Bounty'
Iris sibirica 'Gulls Wing'
iris sibirica 'Sparkling Rose' a little past it's best.
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The sibiricas at Ashwood are certainly beautiful and especially so in plantings where each one enhances the next. One of the particular attractions of sibiricas, for me at any rate, is the way the stiff flower stems move in a light wind, very gracefully, the leaves moving more quickly and the whole plant like two instruments playing superbly together; a sibirica sonata. :)
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@lesley, jamie mean it too....thanks
cheers
chris
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hi, an iris, bought as a spuria wildform...any idea, high over one meter, sunny place, dry soil...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild007-57.jpg?t=1275908086)
flower
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild006-61.jpg?t=1275908112)
cheers
chris
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Possibly Iris spuria ssp. carthalinae ???
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david, i don´t know, sorry...possibly iris spuria ssp. ochroleuca ???
cheers
chris
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Chris, I would agree with David, I. spuria ssp
cathalinae carthaliniae. I. sp. ochroleuca should have a regular blotch of yellow, like an egg yolk, and is typically taller, about 150cm.
This whole group of iris is not really well documented and understood. Plus, there are a lot of hybrids and intergrades about.
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hello jamie, an actually photo from the flower...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild003-69.jpg?t=1275937906)
cheers
chris
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Chris,
it fits the general description of I. carthaliniae (thanks for correcting my spelling Maggie! :-* ). As I mentioned, there is a lot of confusion as to what is what in this group of iris. Some authors divide them into autart species, while others see them as sub-species under spuria and orientalis, while some see them all as spuria. To add to the confusion, most are found in white/yellow and blue/yellow forms. I personally place the forms with the egg-yolk spot under I. orientalis and those with the stripe under I. spuria. The others are mainly differentiated by height, leaf bredth, slight variations in colouring, etc.
Attached is what I grow as I. orientalis, but it may be of hybrid origin.
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jaimie your plant matches what I know as Iris orientalis which I grow from several cultivated sources, they vary in the amount of yellow but the shape of the flower is always the same, I don't believe Chris's plant is orientalis,
I am not familiar with carthaliniae.
Here is Iris gramminia ( this should read graminea) in the form I think is known as pseudocyperus which is about 1 m or 3 feet tall, a PCI seedling sold to me as Iris thomsonii which is supposed to be a purple form of Innominata, and two Iris sibirica hybreds, Reddy Maid and Silver Edge.
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I do envy those who can grow sibericas.
Such beautiful forms being shown.
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I agree that Chris's iris is probably (what I know as) I. carthaliniae. It is a very elegant and upright plant, very attractive.
I don't grow I. graminea var. pseudocyperus but so far as I know it shouldn't be so tall as that. It is distinguished from the type by the flowers over-topping the foliage instead of being buried among it as in most graminea plants. Easier to see and to sniff at.
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The thomsonii seedling is very nice Peter. I wonder if yours is from the same seed as mine, (Jim Archibald) which germinated well then all damped off. :'(
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Hello Lesley,
the thomsoni came from Jim Almond as a seedling, I don't know whose seed :-\ have you any Idea what I should call this gramminia then? my other gramminias are small dainty plants similar in size to sintinisii, Brian Mathew describes pseudocyperus as "larger and more robust" than I gramminia gramminia ??? (corectly spelt Iris graminia)
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Hello Lesley,
the thomsoni came from Jim Almond as a seedling, I don't know whose seed :-\ have you any Idea what I should call this gramminia then? my other gramminias are small dainty plants similar in size to sintinisii, Brian Mathew describes pseudocyperus as "larger and more robust" than I gramminia gramminia ???
My own graminea grows to about the size of a biggish innominata but of course has leaves which bend over and are floppy. My sintenisii is quite a lot smaller/shorter.
Why are we spelling graminea differently. You've typed it enough not to be a slip of the finger. Has the spelling been changed recently?
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Here is the darkest "thompsonii" I have found - on French Hill Road
in northern California. It is really an innominata.
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This innominata is in my garden. I am surprised that it is flowering
so late. I like its daintiness - neat shiny leaves, small flowers.
The various Pacific Coast hybrids started flowering in mid-April
and many have finished flowering already.
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That is a lovely purple Diane. It's not unlike my so-called "dwarf" douglasiana.
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Now I look at mine, it is quite different, with more yellow in it apart from anything else. This iris has always been something of a mystery to me. It is certainly dwarfer than other douglasianas I've grown and has the typical wide, glossy and very tough leaves but seedlings vary a great deal. This is a seedling from my original which I lost - can't remember how - and most seedlings are pretty much true to flower colour and size but some have been quite tall while a few have been just a few centimetres tall. I have one seedling at present, at least 8 months old and only 3 cms tall. Whether it will stay like that when planted out, I've yet to find out.
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Why are we spelling graminea differently. You've typed it enough not to be a slip of the finger. Has the spelling been changed recently?
I was wondering about that too.... most of the sources I see have graminea, though SIGNA does show graminia .
IPNI only shows graminea
Perhaps Diane C., who I regard as my guru in such matters, will mosey along and help out??
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Sorry all, its my bad spelling, I am usually tierd when i get to the computer and I revert to phonetic spellings, strange dipthongs etc. :-[ the Iris is properly Iris graminea
Peter
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Beautifull blue innominata Diane, are the leaves grey as the picture suggests? the width of the fall in your yellow plant reminds me of the fall in the small form I pictured. How strange your douglasii should vary so much in size Lesley, it does look lovely though, mine is sulking after being turfed out of its home this spring for swamping smaller plants. best moved in the autome.
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Why are we spelling graminea differently. You've typed it enough not to be a slip of the finger. Has the spelling been changed recently?
I was wondering about that too.... most of the sources I see have graminea, though SIGNA does show graminia . IPNI only shows graminea
Perhaps Diane C., who I regard as my guru in such matters, will mosey along and help out??
Flattered to be (incorrectly) called a guru ::) I just have lots of name references at my fingertips, and have a feeling for which are reliable!
The sources I use have Iris graminea.
For anyone wishing to know why, here's the references:
For any monocot, the first place to check is the Kew database. The database is is the result of 15 or so years of classifying in the light of DNA research rather than morphological aspects of flower structure (in some areas, it does reveal some unlikely and new relationships and breaks some other long-held ones, and as such, is unlikely to be accepted by everyone). The best way to use it, by the way, is to type in a genus on the genus page and then just look through the species and subspecies listed. In general, there has been a lot of lumping of subspecies into their species.
here's the page for Iris graminea:
Iris graminea (http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?accepted_id=321895&repSynonym_id=-9998&name_id=321895&status=true)
It is worth looking in the International Plant Name Index, but do PLEASE remember this is a historical document, it lists many species as originally published, but not enough cross references to sort out synonyms and revisions. It is absolutely riddled with errors and spelling mistakes (some of them copied from the original documentation). Because of these, IPNI is NOT a document to check that a name is current, purely that a name has existed at some point in time. It does have its uses, because of the way the search is organised, it is possible to put a wild card into the search which is useful if you suspect a spelling error has been made. In this case, typing in Iris gram* reveals this page, Iris graminea has five references (we cannot rely on any of these, as we do not know from this whether it has had a name change.) Interestingly Iris graminifolia and Iris graminiflora are also listed, which may account for misspelling of Iris graminia. Neither of these we can make any sense of, from the IPNI, but if we go back to Kew, we will find that I x graminiflora is a synonym for I x geminiflora and I graminifolia (Freyn) is a synonym for I kerneriana and I graminifolia (Pall) is unplaced, possibly meaning that the publication is ambiguous.
Anyone still awake ::)
Iris gram* (http://www.ipni.org/ipni/advPlantNameSearch.do?find_family=&find_genus=iris&find_species=gram*&find_infrafamily=&find_infragenus=&find_infraspecies=&find_authorAbbrev=&find_includePublicationAuthors=on&find_includePublicationAuthors=off&find_includeBasionymAuthors=on&find_includeBasionymAuthors=off&find_publicationTitle=&find_isAPNIRecord=on&find_isAPNIRecord=false&find_isGCIRecord=on&find_isGCIRecord=false&find_isIKRecord=on&find_isIKRecord=false&find_rankToReturn=all&output_format=normal&find_sortByFamily=on&find_sortByFamily=off&query_type=by_query&back_page=plantsearch)
I did take a look at SIGNA (The Species Iris Group of North America). Here's the full list of species:
http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Species (http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Species)
and I found Iris graminea listed:
http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Iris-graminea (http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Iris-graminea)
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Thasnks Diane.... for sorting us out and for finally getting it through my thick skull not to rely on IPNI too much!
By the way: this from Advayataraka Upanishad 14—18, verse 5 (Sanskrit literature)
The syllable gu means shadows
The syllable ru, he who disperses them,
Because of the power to disperse darkness
the guru is thus named.
Or more simply put.... a teacher..... 8) :-*
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Iris halophila flowering for the first time for me
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congratulations Oleg
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oleg, very nice flower....
here my iris, every day more flowers looks very pretty....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild004-70.jpg?t=1276079364)
cheers
chris
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I would like to add some remarks to the posting of Diane regarding IPNI and the Kew Database, there is a profound difference between the 2 as the first is basically the online version of the old Index Kewensis in combination with 2 other name references which, as the name suggests, is a listing of literature references of plant names, the International Plant Names Index. Yes, it does list synonymy in some cases but it primarily checks whether the name itself has been done in accordance with the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature, it says very little in terms of the status of the name itself. It contains the correct spelling of the name and forms the basis of the Kew Checklist Database. If a name was not described in accordance with the Code, IPNI states it as "not accepted" or "not valid".
The Kew database does more but is not necessarily better, it adds an element of interpretation to the name plus additional info. Checklists are basically revisions, sometimes based on phylogenetic research, sometimes still morphological interpretations. Every single revision in taxonomy becomes "true" if the level of acceptance by the scientific or commercial community is high enough. Therefore the Kew database has a tab with "accepted by". It is still a "he says, she says" story so be aware that the Kew database is the latest status of a name according to them. The checklist of Arisaema for instance is largely based on morphological data rather than phylogenetic data and for several species I can "prove" it is incorrect.
So whether forumists believe the Kew database is upto them. The best taxonomists can do is present as much arguments and proof to support their interpretation of a name but it is still upto the individual to decide if they want to believe Kew or any other authority or not. Remember we are still trying to classify products of evolution in boxes with a name on it....;-) And evolution is not a state but a everchanging proces so plants vary. I know for most forumists this is info that does not interest them but don't be surprised if it hard to put a label on a plant, there is a reason for that.
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I know for most forumists this is info that does not interest them
On the contrary Pascal, your post is very useful because most of us here struggle with nomenclature and the relative status of synonyms.
Speaking personally, if the headache gets too bad I just remind myself to enjoy the beauty of the plants - whatever they are, were or will be ;)
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In short:
- use IPNI as a check for the correct spelling of a latin species name as it was described and to find out if that name was validly published
- use the Kew Checklist database as one of the premier sources of information on the status of a name as it is currently AND most commonly accepted
The more a status is accepted, the more "true" a label can be considered. Any additional info can be found in the publications cited in the "accepted by". If that publication is written in a scientifically sound way it should mention the reason why the status of a plant should be like it is proposed and should go further than "it is" because that would require an unconditional trust in the author of that publication, something I strongly advise not to do unless there is no other option.
The publication should always leave it up to the reader to make up their own mind of whether they consider the proof put forward is convincing. The problem is that most of these publications require some level of scientific knowledge, certainly phylogenetic treatments (assesments of how species within a genus or family relate to each other based on their DNA) of plantgroups are not for the faint hearted and even those articles do not produce the "absolute truth".
It is a subject close to my heart and I can write pages on it but I think it would cause more doubt than anything else. For instance, many people consider DNA research as more convincing evidence than simply interpreting the visible characters of a plant (morphology) because "DNA doesn't lie". What many forget is that the starting material of a "species" for this research is still chosen largely based on the morphological characters thereby assuming that they indeed sample species X. And additionally, the choice of markers used in the DNA research (what part of the DNA is looked at) is very important and influences the outcome of that research. It could very well be that the use of marker X gives different results to the use of marker Y. It could even be that the results are inconclusive or contradictionary.
In summary, a plant name is the most commonly accepted interpretation of data known for that plant. If the data chances, the interpretations change and we end up with another revision and have to buy new labels again.... ;)
Or indeed forget about the name and simply enjoy the plant, that is the reason why we grow and collect plants don't we?
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hello, some iris from today..,
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild005-69.jpg?t=1276111990)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild006-65.jpg?t=1276112007)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild007-61.jpg?t=1276112033)
cheers
chris
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Yes Pascal, very useful posting and I feel I should print it and pin it on my wall somewhere near my work bench. :)
Iris halophila is as lovely as I. carthaliniae and it's easy enougjh to see their relationship. I have had them both from seed, along with musulmanica, as subsp of I. spuria.
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In short:
- use IPNI as a check for the correct spelling of a latin species name as it was described and to find out if that name was validly published
- use the Kew Checklist database as one of the premier sources of information on the status of a name as it is currently AND most commonly accepted
Very well expressed, thanks Pascal for putting it in a neat nutshell
many people consider DNA research as more convincing evidence than simply interpreting the visible characters of a plant (morphology) because "DNA doesn't lie". What many forget is that the starting material of a "species" for this research is still chosen largely based on the morphological characters thereby assuming that they indeed sample species X. And additionally, the choice of markers used in the DNA research (what part of the DNA is looked at) is very important and influences the outcome of that research. It could very well be that the use of marker X gives different results to the use of marker Y. It could even be that the results are inconclusive or contradictionary.
Yes, two different research projects using DNA of cyclamen give quite different results because they use different markers. There's not necessarily a clear cut result from DNA, it's too complex, morphology will still play a part.
Or indeed forget about the name and simply enjoy the plant, that is the reason why we grow and collect plants don't we?
Absolutely true! but there are still some of us who keep looking and wondering and comparing and asking .... ::)
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Or indeed forget about the name and simply enjoy the plant, that is the reason why we grow and collect plants don't we?
Absolutely true! but there are still some of us who keep looking and wondering and comparing and asking .... ::)
I know, I started to get interested in taxonomy for that very same reason....sob.... Couldn't understand why the so-called experts disagreed, got fed up with changing names on labels and wanted to know why it was so hard to get consensus. Got to know a taxonomist that was the expert on Amorphophallus, learned a lot from him on aroid taxonomy and the methods & principles used. Wanted to look for the "truth", ended up disappointed it was not as clearcut as I hoped and the more I learned about it, the less I ended up knowing. Even started to disagree with the established experts myself... :o
I thought I could get a clearer picture by doing fieldtrips and studying herbaria specimen but having seen many Arisaema in the wild during my trips only made me realise how futile and sheer impossible it was to try and name a variable plant. Nowadays I consider taxonomy a "best effort". Not a wise thing to mention in the company of professional taxonomists but in the end it comes down to the rather subjective interpretation of data. And as each individual differs, so do their interpretations which makes "experts" disagree. In taxonomy there are several different "schools", each with their own theories on what a species is, when something is a variety etc.... The lumpers, the splitters etc...which only makes clear it can go many ways while still looking at the same plant. But when I see a species divided into 10 different varieties (Paris polyphylla in the Flora of China) or see "Cyclamen species A subspecies B variety C forma alba" I start laughing because that doesn't make sense anymore.
But I know, people want to have a name for a plant so they are talking about the same thing when they talk about that plant. Sometimes that name is straighforward, sometimes it isn't, I accepted the fact that often it isn't. So my collection seems to have more "Arisaema species aff." than "Arisaema species X.... ;D
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Iris halophila, its second year flowering for me, and Iris lusitanica, both from seed
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IS TL Tim Loe? and is this what we would think of as Spanish irises?
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Hello Lesley, yes TL = Tim Loe, Iris luisitanica is a (according to Mathew) a Portugese variant of Iris xiphium - the spanish Iris, I have I Latifolia forms, seedlings of I fillifolia and posiably serotina, I would love to have some of the others in this group.
Here is an Iris in a friends garden, he has a lot of species and sometimes they mix but we were wondering about this one
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Whatever it is Peter it is a lovely photo with the water spots.
The bright yellow Iris lusitanica is good too.
So many irises flowering for you all in the northern parts.
I only have Iris planifolia flowering but the small snails, a few mites and rain are making it impossible to do any pollinating.
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Nothing leaps immediately to mind Peter. I like it very much. Almost like a hybrid between a PC and something else altogether - if that were possible. :-\
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Here's one I'm quite pleased about. Iris decora, grown from seed that Lesley kindly sent to me that was sown in May 2007. I got really good germination and have been able to share the results with quite a few Forumists and still have a few plants in the greenhouse. This one flowered in the greenhouse for the first time last year and I planted it out whilst it was still in flower really as a trial to see how it would react to our wet winters. As you can see it has come back quite strongly, if a little shorter than those grown under glass. My greenhouse plants are at least two weeks behind this one!
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Congratulations David,
I found a couple of section nepalensis in flower this morning too, one I grew from seed of a plant a lady I work for bought at Crug, the other came from Ron McBeth, Ive got some seedlings labeld decora, They look like they are at least section nepalensis, and I have another plant which was sold to me as Iris gionocarpa, well gionocarpa is not a nepalensis Iris but the plant I bought is ::), I'll picture it when it flowers.Ive not worked out if these are correctly named, They are supposed to be first cousins to junos, Would be interesting to freeze some pollen and see if it would take :P
Lesley does the name Iris hartwegii australis rinNothing leaps immediately to mind Peter. I like it very much. Almost like a hybrid between a PC and something else altogether - if that were possible. :-\
g any bells
congratulations Pat, keep the predators off the precious junos :D
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my two look the same as each other David, but yours is obviously different, short leaves at flowering, less white on the falls...
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A few seedlings from ensata. Simple and soft.
Plus the first Louisianas of the season.
Joie de Vivre
Nutcote
Queen Jeanne
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Terrific Jamie, I wish I had a bigger garden. How much water / food do you give them?
a couple of pseudoacorus here, ? enfant prodige, and two other water Iris, not sure what but there should be one called gerald D'arby somewhere - they all got dropped in the pond when I moved here, so I'd be glad of any definate names
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I know the name hartwegii Peter but the few seeds I had of it never germinated. Just off hand I would havwe said it would be quite a bit shorter than your purple. Not unlike innominata in fact, but I've not seen an actual plant that I knew was true.
Your barbatula is quite a bit taller than mine in the stem (see below.) Even when it is in seed, the pods are right at ground level. Got a prize in the AGS Online show with this one a couple of years ago. :D
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That lower one had 15 flowers open on the day of the picture, just before Christmas. :D
Peter, your Corydalis seed arrived yesterday. Thanks so much. It looks great and no MAF hassles. I'll sow it today.
Pleased your decora seed came up to expectations David.
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I know the name hartwegii Peter but the few seeds I had of it never germinated. Just off hand I would havwe said it would be quite a bit shorter than your purple. Not unlike innominata in fact, but I've not seen an actual plant that I knew was true.
Your barbatula is quite a bit taller than mine in the stem (see below.) Even when it is in seed, the pods are right at ground level. Got a prize in the AGS Online show with this one a couple of years ago. :D
Glad the seed arrived
your picture is beautifull Lesley, The barbatula seed had nothing else to polinate it, the pods were nestled in the ground, does yours originate with the Crug collection?
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My barbatula was bought from a local (NZ) nursery maybe 10 years ago. I don't know the source before that but it was possibly from seed from one of the collections. I have just the one clone and have divided it several times for plants to sell when my nursery was going strong. so it has never been cross-pollinated and nor has it been hand-pollinated, just whatever insects are around I guess. If there is seed this coming summer (Jan-Feb) I'll send some to you.
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Thanks Lesley
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I have a batch of seedlings of Iris barbatula growing away strongly in the greenhouse. They were sown in April 2009 from seed Lesley kindly sent me. May even get a flower on one of them this year.
As far as Iris goniocarpa is concerned I'm flummoxed about mine. I bought it last year, around early August, and it had a couple of straggly green shoots about 3" long. I potted it up and gave it a drop of water every so often and it kept the short straggly growth and quite frankly it hasn't changed. Where am I going wrong?
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As far as Iris goniocarpa is concerned I'm flummoxed about mine. I bought it last year, around early August, and it had a couple of straggly green shoots about 3" long. I potted it up and gave it a drop of water every so often and it kept the short straggly growth and quite frankly it hasn't changed. Where am I going wrong?
Nobody going to put me right on Iris goniocarpa ???
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David,
I have some seed just sprouting of what I hope is this species. I am planning on treating it like my arils, that is to say an open, sandy-gravel toplayer of soil over a mineral-rich clay-sand mix, with almost no organics.
Also, something I am trying with my aril bed; I have taken a 10K piece to potting clay and placed it into a vat of water, where it has turned to a slip at the bottom of the container. I stir the water to get a slurry and use this to water my gravel beds. The idea is to give a mineral rich water as a fertilizer, rather than a commercial type. Hopefully, I will notice improvements in the next season. Until now, the iris all seem to like it and I think this allows a bit more water retention at the roots, when there is water available. I find many iris do not want a completely dry rest, rather the rhizome dry and the roots still having some moisture available.
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Peter T, I don't know enough irises to guess at names for yours. I do know none of them are 'Gerald Darby'. The dark stems and buds are very distinctive.
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The one time I was able to try seed of I. goniocarpa it turned out to be I. bulleyana.
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The one time I was able to try seed of I. goniocarpa it turned out to be I. bulleyana.
Lesley,
from this years exchange I had seed of I. darwasica, but no aril on the seed! I am growing it with ease and I suspect it is a type of siberica, but won't know for a couple of years. Such are exchanges.
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I had a piece of gionocarpa from the Wallaces about four years ago, it has not flowerd for me but too dry is definately not a good idea, I speak from the experiance of nearly loosing it, there is almost no rhizome to hold a reserve of food or water. It is in growth now,
As far as Iris goniocarpa is concerned I'm flummoxed about mine. I bought it last year, around early August, and it had a couple of straggly green shoots about 3" long. I potted it up and gave it a drop of water every so often and it kept the short straggly growth and quite frankly it hasn't changed. Where am I going wrong
Nobody going to put me right on Iris goniocarpa ???
ie spring/ summer. will try to post some more on it. what does your gionocarpa look like David?
Roma, thanks for info on Gerald Darby - It has let me identify it and it is in bud.
The clay idea has worked for me too Jamie, when I have had plants in pure grit -to sprout them or for whatever reason, and need to get something round the roots for them to grow on.
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I have a batch of seedlings of Iris barbatula growing away strongly in the greenhouse. They were sown in April 2009 from seed Lesley kindly sent me. May even get a flower on one of them this year.
I had sown some from the same kind source in 2009 as well David.. ;)
Alas, I lost the ones that had germinated during Winter.. :'( :'(
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Well hopefully Luc, we can put that right later in the year, or early next. I have seedlings growing from the same batch of seed and so far they are still green even though the parent has long gone down. I'd better go and put them under cover for the next couple of months, to be on the safe side.
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Heck I better move my Iris barbatula seedlings too - we are having more drizzle than rain.
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A few more Louisiana iris.
Lots Of Joy
Moonlight Cascade
Regal Ricochet
You Little Beauty
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I wouldnt worry too much Pat, I barbatula grows in the open in 80 inches of rain per year and increaces, next to Maddeni Rhododendrons, Myrtraria and Trilliums
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Thanks Peter - uhm four times as much rainfull!!! ??? ???
Sounds like an acid lover too.
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Iris planifolia has been flowering for about a month now but we keep getting wind and drizzling rain and I am out most days so I have not been able to pollinate a single flower as the pollen has been non existant. Last year there were a couple of dozen great pods full of seed - thank goodness I kept back some seeds. This is such a good value iris.
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hi, the first iris foetidissima bloom this year...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild001-63.jpg?t=1277054016)
cheers
chris
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My God Peter, 80 inches of rain? We have 20 here if we're lucky and Dunedin city gets about 40-45 depending on the year.
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I think it is about 40 inches here in Derbyshire, where I grew up was about 80 inches, under 10 miles from there there were places at 120 inches a year or more, - filmy ferns growing on the roadside walls. I am told that parts of Cambridgeshire can have as little as 10 inches a year. All in all the UK has a lot of different climates for one small country. :o :o :o :o
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A few Iris ensata forms pictured on a visit to Wisley last Friday
A poolside view.
Iris ensata 'Takara-bune'
I ensata. 'Chiyodajo'
I ensata 'Barr Purple East'
I ensata 'Immaculate White'
I ensata 'Darling'
I ensata 'Stippled Ripples'
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Nice time of the year to visit Wisley David. The irises look great.
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Thanks for taking those pics David, they are stunners!
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The first two irises are enjoying the 30 degrees heat we are having here.
1. Iris notha
2. Iris spuria
I photographed the third during my trip to Prague. It must be a spuria hybrid that fascinated me
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Iris bulleyana is still flowering with 23 stems this year. I failed to take a good picture of the whole clump, so only flowers.
Any thoughts of the name for this bearded beauty. It was bought as Matinata which it actually isn't.
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Any thoughts of the name for this bearded beauty. It was bought as Matinata which it actually isn't.
Possibly Iris Germanica 'Loop the Loop'.
Not one I grow, so only guessing from a picture.
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Thank you, Rob.
It really looks like it
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Hi
Just wondering how long from seed does it take to get flowers in the miniature bearded/standards irises.
And while I am asking what about the reticulates?
I find it unusual that the seedlings have more than one leaf, was expecting the same situation as the narcissus.
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Hi Kees,
You can have flowers on bearded Iris in their second year of growth but the larger ones often take three years. Reticulatas can flower in three years, (Hyrcana Talish Form is quick for me) but more usually five to seven years from sowing.
With bearded Iris the seedlings quickly form an embyonic rhizome and anchor root then they are little plants with an apical bud with its associated leaf fan
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Hi Peter, thanks for that.
I will see what hapens. I will try to cross my retics but despite reading up on how to pollinate Iris's I think I need a picture step by step guide to understand it :-[
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Hi Peter, thanks for that.
I will see what hapens. I will try to cross my retics but despite reading up on how to pollinate Iris's I think I need a picture step by step guide to understand it :-[
I think Ian has photos in a BulbLog to show you the way, Kees.... have to shoot off to work at the Beeb now but I'll search later for you.
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Kees just get some tweezers and grab a stamen and then hold a standard between thumb and forefinger of other hand and there should be a bit of a lip just down from the outer edge of the standard. Wipe the stamen - if it has pollen - against the lip on each standard. I have not done a test to see what happens if you only do one standard. You probably only have seed in that third of the pod. Anyone know for sure???
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Pat would you wipe the pollen below the lip and also on top of it?
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No - the sticky part is where you pull the lip down from the top part of the standard. Think of an envelope with a pull off strip - only where you pull the lip away from the standard is the sticky bit. It does not stay sticky for very long if it is wet or windy or sunny. Best time is about 10am on I have found.
How is that for an explanation :P :-[
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In other words, place the pollen on top of the stigmatic lip. The tube it travels down to meet the ovule, goes down the top of the lip underneath the top part of the style arm - I mean BETWEEN the style arm and the stigmatic lip.
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http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2009Feb181234965123BULB_LOG_07.pdf
close up photo of lip on Iris .... It is not a separate structure like the style of the related Crocus but it is on the leading lower edge of the standard just above the anthers.
Pat, I think that it would be possible, in theory at least, to pollinate each third of ther pod with a different pollen! Something to try out, perhaps!
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Correction Maggi. It is the Style arm, a separate structure not the standard.
Here is a scan from Fritz Kohlein's book "IRIS"
John B
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2009Feb181234965123BULB_LOG_07.pdf
close up photo of lip on Iris .... It is not a separate structure like the style of the related Crocus but it is on the leading lower edge of the standard just above the anthers.
Pat, I think that it would be possible, in theory at least, to pollinate each third of ther pod with a different pollen! Something to try out, perhaps!
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Thanks, John ...... this business of Iris sex is a nightmare!! :-[
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Nothin to it Maggi.
John
Thanks, John ...... this business of Iris sex is a nightmare!! :-[
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I have not done a test to see what happens if you only do one standard. You probably only have seed in that third of the pod. Anyone know for sure???
Pat,
If you place pollen on one stigma it is enough for creating a pod full with seeds. There are two more stigmas in the flower in order to increase the chances for pollination\fertilization in nature.There is no need to place pollen on 3 sides (3 stigmas). However, you can place on 2 stigmas to be completely sure.
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I have not done a test to see what happens if you only do one standard. You probably only have seed in that third of the pod. Anyone know for sure???
Pat,
If you place pollen on one stigma it is enough for creating a pod full with seeds. There are two more stigmas in the flower in order to increase the chances for pollination\fertilization in nature.There is no need to place pollen on 3 sides (3 stigmas). However, you can place on 2 stigmas to be completely sure.
Oh, Miriam, you have stopped all my thoughts of promiscuous fun with some Iris next spring! :-X
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Well you could put three different pollens on the 3 lips and hope for the best. There surely would be a CHANCE of 3 different batches of seed. It would be a race to the finish line to see which pollen turned out to be dominant. ;D
A (late and unattached) friend always said he wasn't interested in sex per se, there was plenty in the garden to keep him occupied. ???
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Kees just get some tweezers and grab a stamen and then hold a standard between thumb and forefinger of other hand and there should be a bit of a lip just down from the outer edge of the standard. Wipe the stamen - if it has pollen - against the lip on each standard. I have not done a test to see what happens if you only do one standard. You probably only have seed in that third of the pod. Anyone know for sure???
Sorry to go on about this, but it is not the STANDARD that has the stigmatic lip (stigma) attached but the style arm. (See above) Putting pollen on the standard will produce nothing but a messy standard. I know that Pat knows this, so just a slight (far from) senior moment. ;D
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Yes yes yes a very senior moment. ::) :P :-[ :-X
I should have looked up a diagram before replying - when I don't I sometimes do make stupid mistakes.
Thanks all for correcting my posting.
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Thanks for the advise, I will do my best and advise of the outcomes.
That picture really helps Maggi.
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Yes yes yes a very senior moment. ::) :P :-[ :-X
I should have looked up a diagram before replying - when I don't I sometimes do make stupid mistakes.
Thanks all for correcting my posting.
Ian and I are in the same boat, Pat! I don't know why we have always had these problems with Iris! :-X :-[ ::)
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I had a piece of gionocarpa from the Wallaces about four years ago, it has not flowerd for me but too dry is definately not a good idea, I speak from the experiance of nearly loosing it, there is almost no rhizome to hold a reserve of food or water. It is in growth now,
As far as Iris goniocarpa is concerned I'm flummoxed about mine. I bought it last year, around early August, and it had a couple of straggly green shoots about 3" long. I potted it up and gave it a drop of water every so often and it kept the short straggly growth and quite frankly it hasn't changed. Where am I going wrong
Nobody going to put me right on Iris goniocarpa ???
ie spring/ summer. will try to post some more on it. what does your gionocarpa look like David?
Roma, thanks for info on Gerald Darby - It has let me identify it and it is in bud.
The clay idea has worked for me too Jamie, when I have had plants in pure grit -to sprout them or for whatever reason, and need to get something round the roots for them to grow on.
Hi Peter,
Sorry about the delay in replying to this it had quite slipped my mind. Here's a pic of my Iris goniocarpa today.
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Pat, I said (far from) senior moment, because somehow senior sounded less objectionale than middle-aged moment. You surely haven't reached Senior status yet. ;D
Maggi if you have problems with Iris it's because you spend too much time with Erythroniums. If only we could be quite sure of an afterlife, and lived as we would like, we could devote whole lifetimes to erys in the sure and certain knowledge that there will be time for irises later. Personally, I feel it's important to cram as much in as possible now because I suspect that later there will be....Nothing!
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Maggi if you have problems with Iris it's because you spend too much time with Erythroniums. If only we could be quite sure of an afterlife, and lived as we would like, we could devote whole lifetimes to erys in the sure and certain knowledge that there will be time for irises later. Personally, I feel it's important to cram as much in as possible now because I suspect that later there will be....Nothing!
Thus spake Andrew Marvell, only it wasn't Erythroniums on HIS mind, nor even sex with an Iris, at least I don't think her name was Iris :-\
Thanks for getting back with that David, I'll try to picture mine, where did you get your gionocarpa?
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Lesley, maybe one should stipulate burial under / scattering of ashes over a rare iris?
Can't get much more involved in their growth than that eh? ;)
Personally I'm getting scattrered over a mountain top wick with Nigretella, or maybe
a slope of Iris reichenbachii, so many species, so little ash :D :D
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Thanks for getting back with that David, I'll try to picture mine, where did you get your gionocarpa?
..... from Rannveig last year. Peter, we have a spelling issue ;D You refer to 'gionocarpa' my plant is 'goniocarpa'. The only reference I can find to 'gionocarpa' is in the SIGNA Database and relates to Iris attica?
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Hi,
Could someone please put this iris into a particular group for me please. (I had no idea there were so many types of iris until I joined the forum). It is bulbous if thats the correct term for an iris and the coating is very fibrous. I has masses of grass like foliage which is very flacid and begins to die down as the flowers appear.
Hope thats enough information. I don't expect a name but would be very pleased if someone knows.
As you will have gathered from various posts in a variety of threads I went through a stage of not retaining plant names and now wish I hadn't.
Graham
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Iris latifolia would be my guess and a lovely colour form!
See http://www.avonbulbs.co.uk/iris-latifolia-king-of-the-blues_1273_1265.htm
- though their photo looks more purplish
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Iris latifolia would be my guess and a lovely colour form!
See http://www.avonbulbs.co.uk/iris-latifolia-king-of-the-blues_1273_1265.htm
- though their photo looks more purplish
Wow Gail that was a quick response. Thanks.
Mine is a true blue. The Avon Bulbs photo is as you say more purple but that I suppose could be the just the photo.
Graham
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Yours is a gorgeous blue, Graham ..... I remember my Mum having a velvet cocktail dress that colour when I was little!
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Yours is a gorgeous blue, Graham ..... I remember my Mum having a velvet cocktail dress that colour when I was little!
There was a time I thought it was too blue and it didn't really fit into my plans but I kept it and really like it now. It has too many leaves though.
Graham
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Iris goniocarpa is correct spelling (even if the plant you get sometimes isn't correct. ::))
Graham, Iris latifolia belongs to a group generally called Xiphium and includes the Dutch, English and Spanish irises. Then there are the reticulatas and the Junos, also both bulbs, but very different bulbs. Most others are rhizomatous, and the rhizomes vary tremendously from tiny, almost like small peanuts, to very skinny and long or shorter, to thick, heavy, sausage-like things and everything in between. For a long time the smaller rhizomed plants were called just herbaceous because the rhizomes were almost unrecognizable as such. Then there is a very small group including decora, collettii and a couple of others which are tuberous, or perhaps more accurately they have tuberous roots, but not actual tubers, the way a dahlia or a cyclamen does.
Condidering what miniscule differences cause taxonomists to divide a genus into two or more genera, it always amazes me that Iris hasn't been divided into at least half a dozen different genera (not that I WANT that of course.) The Russians tried it for a time but even they seem to be using the original Iris names more and more now.
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You're right Chris, scattering would at least be of some practical use. I had decided which trough to be buried under but that would probably only give comfort to a group of leather jackets. Now will have to decide which iris to benefit. ???
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Lesley,
Thanks for the information I can do some reading now that you have put me on the right track.
Graham
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Here's another of my Iris decora from seed Lesley kindly sent me. This grown in the greenhouse and about three weeks later than the plant I have in the garden from the same batch, and a lovely scent too. Earlier moisture probably.
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That's another beauty David, how long from seed to flower?
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this is an Iris Decora the i recieved from David Nicholson,Thank You
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Some photos taken last week of Iris sintenisii. There is variability within the species, though not spectacular in nature maybe!?
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Dave, glad it flowered for you.
Chris, seed was sown 14 May 2007. One from the batch flowered last year for the first time but not sure if it was this one or not.
Loved the Iris sintenisii Chris particularly the last one in the series. They really are very pretty and ought to be grown more. Here's mine I posted a few weeks back.
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Hi David,
Super flower! The darker lipped forms were there but out of several thousand flowers over the area the darker forms were very uncommon. I have seedlings of sintenisii so it'll be interesting to see how they come out!
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Yes, David's right, Iris decora will start to flower from seed in less than two years from germination. If you'd like some seed next summer Chris, say the word - though you might get it sooner from David. ;D Once the clump is established, say 4-5 years, you'll get 50 or more stems with a long succession of flowers even though each one lasts at most 2 days, and usually only one if the weather's hot.
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The last Iris this year - Iris ensata "Sensation"
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Cheers for the offer Lesley, happy to wait!
Oleg, very nice!
I bought some Iris enstata selections last year, one flowered this year 'ruffles' I think ( sounds like some toy dog off of All Creatures Great and Small ) looks the same as 'Sensation', in turn looks similar tosome others. Don't now my ensatas too well, are there many similar looking selections out there?
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Hi Chris. Take a look here. http://www.ensata.com/HTML/PlantPages/japanese_index.htm
John
Cheers for the offer Lesley, happy to wait!
Oleg, very nice!
I bought some Iris enstata selections last year, one flowered this year 'ruffles' I think ( sounds like some toy dog off of All Creatures Great and Small ) looks the same as 'Sensation', in turn looks similar tosome others. Don't now my ensatas too well, are there many similar looking selections out there?
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Thanks, John for the link. With such abundance of varieties it's easy to be mistaken, Christo. Anyway, this is the only one I have and still cant decide what I like more: the exuberance of "Sensation" or a quieter appeal of a species (I.ensata).
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Chris/Oleg youmight like to take a look at the American Iris Society Wikki too http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Main/SpecEnsata
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Has anyone looked in the Standard Dwarf Bearded section of that Wiki Encyclopaedia? There's one called 'Baubles and Beads,' yellow and literally black. Wow!
I thought I had a good collection of them - well, I have - but it doesn't even touch the sides. There are thousands illustrated, except, funnily enough, two I looked for, 'Cherry Lavender' and 'Cherry Pop.' Mine are true so come the spring I can maybe upload pictures for them.
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Iris louisiana 'Rhett'
I. ensata 'Rose Queen'
I. spuria 'Sunset Colours'
and four seedling spurias, the last one looks similar to one Oleg posted a couple of pages ago. The yellow ones have a light fruity fragrance. The spuria irises can take a while to get going but then are really easy, reliable plants, drought tolerant and don't need splitting as the beardeds do.
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John, David, thanks for those links.
Gail, absolute stunners, only have Iris xanthospuria, have purchased selections as rhizomes but they just don't seem to establish
very well here.
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Gail, absolute stunners, only have Iris xanthospuria, have purchased selections as rhizomes but they just don't seem to establish
very well here.
I can save you some seed if you like?
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wouah Gail :o your last one is wonderful :D !!!
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I agree...but all are simply wonderful Gail - is your Iris louisiana 'Rhett' hardy?
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I agree...but all are simply wonderful Gail - is your Iris louisiana 'Rhett' hardy?
Hardy for the last 4 winters in a pot against the east wall of the house.
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Lovely selection Gail.
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Here is a picture of my Iris Attica, its not looking to happy lots of brown spots, it doesn't look like scale bugs ...can someone help.
Angie :)
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Angie try again with the photo
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OOPs ::)
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Angie my first thought was fungus. I have not seen this before but my guess is a fungus of some sort.
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Thanks, I have just started with Irises and thought I might be keeping them to dry, but this is the only one that has this marks.
Angie :)
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In Irises for New Zealand by Karen Glasgow she says: "Irises are occasionally attacked in a wet season by bacterial leaf spot, which is easily distinquished by brown to black spots or streaks on the leaves. A general rose spray should deal with the leaf spot, along with any aphids, which are rather fond of the bulbous irises."
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Pat thanks for the advice. I shall go and give it a spray.
Thank you
Angie :)
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Iris Leaf Spot is a problem down here too Angie.
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The brown spotting we get on all bearded irises is unsightly but doesn't seem to weaken or do much harm to the plant. But your spots look to me like a rust of some kind Angie. We get that too sometimes. A good general purpose anti-fungal spray should stop further spread. When growing a lot of beardeds it's a good idea to spray with a systemic fungicide/insecticide before bud set, say early spring and another followup a fortnight later.
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I'm sure its rust too Angie, rose clear is supposed to work, very common in beds of tall bearded. the spores will have got around now so fungicide next year too and if you can- achange of location,
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Any idea of this Iris, seems to do well under trees, the foliage is always well higher that the flowers.
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Hi Kees It looks like Iris lazica, an unguicularis which enjoys a cooler position.
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Agree, in general. I don't have lazica as such but yours is very much as expected.
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Thanks everyone for the advice...its had its spray, funny how it was the only one that had the brown spots.
Angie :)
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Some vareties or species are more prone than others Angie but overall, I'd give the same spray to all bearded forms as once it gets a hold it can spread and go on year to year. It's best to remove old, dead leaves and burn them and also trim back badly affected leaves as much as possible. But cut those, don't pull them unless they're quite dead.
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Thanks Lesley , will do.
Angie :)
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Purely by chance I came across 2009 discussion in these pages as to whether Lesley's Iris barbatula was really Iris goniocarpa but no firm conclusion was reached (I think). See Replies 811-818. Since I have Iris goniocarpa (I think!) and am growing Iris barbatula from seed that Lesley kindly sent me this discussion interested me-why did I miss it last year?
I did find a picture of I goniocarpa by Harry Jans and this seemed to me to be somewhat different to Lesley's I barbatula particularly in the leaf size and shape. What do others think?
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jansalpines.com/gallery/main.php%3Fg2_view%3Dcore.DownloadItem%26g2_itemId%3D10780%26g2_serialNumber%3D2&imgrefurl=http://www.jansalpines.com/gallery/main.php%3Fg2_itemId%3D10537&usg=__yxv0sJpOORa9QUItw5K9uTTsCZw=&h=150&w=150&sz=32&hl=en&start=6&itbs=1&tbnid=tIbXOHfAdOhhlM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=96&prev=/images%3Fq%3Diris%2Bgoniocarpa%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GGLL_en-GBGB353GB353%26tbs%3Disch:1
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Magnificent research David! I have faith that The Wallises is the real gionicarpa, I think I Barbatula is in series nepalensis, related to Junos and with a root stock similar to a roscoea, That fits with my I barbatula from Crug.
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I've not looked back at previous pictures on the thread David mentions but I'm sure the Harry Jans' picture/plant is quite different from mine and that mine IS barbatula. Two main differences are that Harry's leaves are rounded at the tips and the plant has flowers on quite lengthy stems (proportionately). In barbatula there are no stems at all, not even on the maturing pods and Harry's seems to have some mottling on the falls, which would fit, to my mind with it being in the Pseudoregelia section, along with hookeriana and kemaonensis. The rounded leaf tips would be right for that too. The leaf tips on my hookeriana are rounded.
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Yes, having looked back - and back further to Cliff's posting - I'm very sure yours and mine David, ARE barbatula, not goniocarpa. Goniocarpa has been in seedlists recently a few times but has turned out to be bulleyana, if I remember rightly. Harry's picture is right.
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Wasn't sure where to post this picture. Saw this in a local antique shop. It has a wooden frame with embroidery on silk and is supposed to be 19th C. It is priced at Aus $395 so it is not on my shopping list but if I was given it............... ;)
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What a beautifully worked screen, Pat. Very pretty.
I've no idea what the exchange rate is but I'd expect it to be priced at about £200 in "our" money, maybe a little higher with the expectation of the ticket price being negotiable!
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Folks : an Irid question of indentity which needs an answer in the NARGS Forum, please.... Here are photos....flowers last but a day, it seems.... I'll relay any answers to the NARGS site...
Might this be Calydorea amabilis ?
click the pictures to enlarge....
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I would say so Maggi, but then again I'm no expert.
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Thanks David, my own shortcomings in this area are legion, it must be said :-[
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Iris subbiflora x Iris revoluta threatening to take over all the other species in this patch. It should be really stunning in a week. It should show up a bit more purple.
Tulipa clusiana in the background
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Might this be Calydorea amabilis ?
would tend to Calydorea pallens.
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Two shots of Iris bicapitata ex BIS 07/11 c.Tony Willis Gargano Italy 2006s from HMT - I have tried selfing this species
This is a tiny plant - Iris lutescens ex BIS 11 2004s very dwarf ex Langrain France HMT - have tried to self this little one too
Iris pumila ex Gargano Italy ex BIS
Looks like Gargano would be a good place to visit as I seem to have a few Irises that have originated there.
Iris subbiflora x Iris revoluta - far too blue - should be purple.
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Wow!!
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I agree with David, Pat : Wow !!!! :o :o
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Dutch iris - unknown name
Iris innominata from seed from D149 Monocot - a few photos
(looking at this species in the SIGNA database I think this must be wrong)
Iris bicapitata a few photos
Iris pumila ex Gargano Italy
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Really magnificent irises Pat. Thank you for an amazing series.
I'm puzzled by your I. innominata though because it looks very different to a Pacific Coast iris (http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/PacificCoastIrises) ???
What a pleasure to see them all free in the garden and thriving like this 8)
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I'm puzzled by your I. innominata though because it looks very different to a Pacific Coast iris (http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/PacificCoastIrises) ???
i agree ashley,it's not I.innominata but its lovely in its own right.
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Pat,
it is certainly not I. innominata, but this confirms that seedlings I have are also not the species. I realised that the foliage was much too soft and wide, but have no idea what I am growing. Could be the same as yours. I have a few misnamed species from exchanges coming along. One was easy to ID as wrong, seed of I. darwasica without an aril!
I suspect yours and mine are simply pogon hybrids. Pretty one you have, though.
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As I can't seem to keep the Pacific Coast irises going here I have not their species names and looks ingrained in my mind - hence the big hiccup.
I too think it is a pogon of some sort. I will find my old listings from Monocot and look for a possible. Maybe the number got changed slightly over the years with fading tags or I looked at my planting plans the wrong way.
I am human afterall ;D
lutescens???
I am selfing these pogons to have seed for later or exchanges
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Hi Pat,
yes, it's a nice little "beardie" ;D possibly I. lutescens as you suggest.
I'm surprised you have trouble with the PCIs - but they may need a bit of shade; we plant them under deciduous trees here.
I have a piece of that Iris subbiflora x I. revoluta that you showed last week,
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but will have to move it if it grows as well as it does for you!
This is the first flower on Iris subbiflora grown from SRGC seedex 2004 (germinated 2006!)
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This is Iris taochia (grown from Seedex as "Iris species ex Turkey")
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This mite came as Iris attica but maybe Iris suavolens,
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cheers
fermi
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This below was given to me a few years ago as I. unguicularis 'Starker's Pink' which it is obviously not. I had this years ago as I. cretensis but local Iris Society people tell me it should be I. unguicularis 'Cretan Form' while I. cretensis is what I saw last week at Ferny Creek Hort Soc nursery (Otto or Fermi or someone there please do a picture and post it here. They were just in bud and I didn't take a photo.)
I'm still inclined to go with cretensis for this one but I'd welcome any opinions from Iris growers.
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There is lots of pollen so I've pollinated each stigmatic lip but maybe it won't take on a single flower. I've just received seed from Marcus Harvey as I. cretensis so (I hope) time will tell what his is.
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Fermi your camera takes the purple colour better than mine - see below.
Fermi the clumps of I. suaveolens next to the subbiflora x revoluta are very shaded and certainly getting elbowed out of the way so they will have to be moved or I take away half of the clump of subbiflora x revoluta.
I found Iris subbiflora flowering well today.
I know this is an iris thread but I am stretching it to Iridacaea - Gladiolus ....huttonii - redid the tag but did not record the name in my notebook and it is dark now so I can't check all the name.
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A formidable I. subbiflora Fermi ! What a giant ! :o :o
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Poor wee Iris sauveolons being elbowed out by the adjacent subbiflora x revoluta.
First flowers from seed from SIGNA of Iris japonica forms wild coll. in China.
I have been patiently waiting for these irises to flower. They were bought as lucky dip but were supposed to be irises that had been donated by a local iris seller back in the 1970s or thereabouts. Looks like the regular old white found in abundance on roadsides and old farms and the old purple also found in old gardens. Tuft as they come both of them.
Two shots of Iris pallida blooming from seed for the first time. I have several clones of this iris from seed from several sources over a few years. Simple and elegant.
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Is this the Iris pallida from Harold mathes seed white x white? I have a pair of seedlings coming along if it is. The subbiflora is fantastic, I have aquired some this year so hopefully it will flower for me too. How much sun do you let japonica get? I think it is pretty tolerant but naturaly a forrest floor plant?
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Peter the japonica is in the nursery which has shadecloth covering.
2006seed from Harald from 2 white clones vice versa for the pallida so yes it seems to be the same seed through the BIS.
I have some wonderful irises grown from seed from Harald so I am much indebted to Harald for many iris delights.
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This Japonica so beautiful :o
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This Japonica so beautiful
I agree with Arykana, so exquisitely held on each stalk like a gift offering as it opens each flower.
It's always such a pleasure to see the irises on these pages in all their glory in the garden or wild :)
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An unlabelled Dutch iris, similar to the one Pat posted earlier, maybe "Wedgewood"?
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"Bronze Queen"
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A couple of PCI,
"Sahara Sunset"
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and "Midnight"
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cheers
fermi
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Possibly Wedgewood says she who knows very little about the Dutch irises.
I have been talked into exhibiting at the South Australian Iris Show this weekend. Have selected a few species and some historic tbs and some arilbreds to take - if they don't blow before 6.30am Saturday for setup.
I will pick the rest in the morning and keep in a cool place till I head to Adelaide tomorrow night.
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This is a new Dutch iris we got from the Drewitts in Silvan,
it's called "Acapulco"
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And an old, old hybrid, "Golden Harvest"
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This is what we have as Iris filifolia
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This came as I. sikkimensis but is actually some sort of spuria, yes, a spurious sikkimensis! ;)
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cheers
fermi
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here is cold and windy today - so good to see the blooming irises - you never have enough
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Fermi, you have some cracking Irises but my first thought was that you didn't have I. filifolia (leaves much to broad), until I checked in Mathew.
"" .... 24-43cm in height with the leaves varying from almost thread like (var. filifolia) to broadly linear (var. latifolia).......""
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I've posted some iris pics to a new thread about the FCHS Flower Festival: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6161.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6161.0)
In the garden a few new seedlings of PCI from seed from Diane W.
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And Siberian iris "Bluebird"
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cheers
fermi
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Fermi,
That Iris filifolia is striking. Flowers look like a dutch iris, but on bearded foliage? Or is that just an effect in the pic? Rather fascinating, and unlike any iris I've seen before if so. :o
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Iris filifolia, belongs to the same series as the Dutch and English irises. According to Kohlein, its flowers are a vibrant purple-red and the falls have a decorative orange spot and an irregular dark blue band on the margins. The leaves are "narrow-linear, but not as narrow as its name suggests."
You will, of course, be collecting seed from yours Fermi? whatever it actually is? ;D (I. halophila finally starting to germinate!)
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Fermi,
That Iris filifolia is striking. Flowers look like a dutch iris, but on bearded foliage? Or is that just an effect in the pic? Rather fascinating, and unlike any iris I've seen before if so. :o
Paul,
the iris filifolia is growing through some TBI!
Lesley,
it's never set seed before so it might need to be pollinated; I'll see if I egt a chance today - we're expecting a major rain event again soon! Probably before I can get home.
cheers
fermi
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Paul,
the iris filifolia is growing through some TBI!
Ah, that explains everything. ;D
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Some beautiful Irises being shown from Australia and New Zealand in the Iris threads so I must show my minor triumph.
Iris unguicularis has flowered for me (at last!) and I think it was 2007 when it last flowered. So far only one flower but I'll settle for that. It's a lost label so if anyone can hazard a guess at a name that would be a double bonus.
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A couple more in our garden,
Dutch iris "Thunderbolt"
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The first flower on Iris virginica is just about faded but a second is about to open
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cheers
fermi
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Ferni you just stole my thunder ;)
Plus a couple of shots of Iris pallida ssp pallida illyrica
And lastly what is known as Manon in South Australia but may be Iris sweertii??????
It is a miniature tall bearded.
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Pat,
Can I please ask the definition of Miniature Tall Bearded? That looks like it is rather tall to be called a miniature, isn't it? Or is this just a category within "tall" and there are miniature, medium and tall tall beardeds?
I have a sinking feeling that I may have asked this question before? ???
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Pat , this Iris came from you a few years ago . Unfortunately I lost the label , but I remember that you sent me I .purpureobracteata .
Could this be it ?
Also flowering yesterday is a favourite of mine : Iris verna , which enjoys morning sun in my garden .
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Iris verna is a real favourite here too but has finished now, the result of some hot, dry winds at the end of last week. A friend down the road has the white verna just out.
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Paul I may have this wrong but I think a miniature tall bearded is just that, like a tall bearded but everything smaller in proportion, size of flower, height and the clump generally. It is classed with the talls because it flowers at the same time whereas other, smaller beardeds are earlier, generally, the smaller, the earlier. Min TBs are also called "Table" irises and are certainly very attractive for table or vase decoration where the true talls would be too big.
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Pat,
Can I please ask the definition of Miniature Tall Bearded? That looks like it is rather tall to be called a miniature, isn't it? Or is this just a category within "tall" and there are miniature, medium and tall tall beardeds?
I have a sinking feeling that I may have asked this question before? ???
Paul, does this help......... or hinder?
http://www.irises.org/growing.htm#Classification_Information:
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Otto yes you are correct. It is a funny species in that the flowers seem to be tucked into the foliage on some flower but others rise about it. I have a big clump of the yellow and the blue flowering now too.
Lesley and David have given the correct info on the MTB. I like them as they are dainty. There are not many in Australia. I would like to try more from seed. One of the iris species that I put in the SA Iris show caused a bit of a stir between members. It was a species that is in the beginning of the MTB class and someone thought it should have been entered in another class but another judge said it could be in either so I was fine where I had put it - in the species section. Guess you can tell that the name is not coming to me.
Been trying to get the definiative name of what "Manon" is for years. Photos of sweertii show a similar flower but not the size!!
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Thanks for the info Lesley.
Thanks for the link David. I had come across the other classes, just not the miniature tall bearded.
Pat,
Could you give some dimensions of your plant? It sounds interesting, but I'm still trying to work out the differences. So they're nearly the size of a tall bearded iris in spike, but the flowers are much smaller and stems are much thinner? They sound quite interesting. I've not to my knowledge ever seen one, but your comment on there not being many in Australia would likely account for that. ;D
Thanks for the info everyone.
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MTBs are a quite a bit smaller than TBs Paul, they can involve Iris lutescens and I think I aphylla, they are the same proportions as a TB but about half the height, therefore they are now bred with spreading falls because they are viewed from above.
The Dwarf Bearded (DBs), Border Bearded (BBs), and Intermediate Bearded (IBs) have much chunkier flowers and resemble TB flowers on short stems I think they usually involve I pumila. Each of these catagories is defined by the height the stem is supposed to reach, sometimes a plant has to have its registration changed if it consistantly produces stems too high or short for its catagory - eg reclassified from IB to TB.
There is also another catagory called the Miniature Dwarf Bearded (MDBs) and they may involve species such as I attica and suaveolens They are even shorter than the DBs and usually shown in pots rather than cut in vases
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Peter and Paul (and not Mary!!)
The iris I showed is 38" (97cm) from ground to tippy top of the flower. The flower is 3" (7.5cm) x 3" (7.5cm). It is a lot taller than in previous years as are all the tall bearded (it has been an exceptional year for tall beardeds)
Looking up 'Manon' in the AIS wiki there was mention in one of the cultivars as being in the Manon group (1950's bred cultivar)
Must keep looking. I have a feeling that Jean Witt works with this group.
Otto that seedling of Dotted Doll that I gave you - how is it going. Dotted Doll was supposed to be a MTB.
Just added some more photos taken this afternoon to show detail better.
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Pat,
It looks absolutely delightful. You really can see that the whole proportions of the stem and flowers are much more delicate than "usual". Thanks so much for taking the time to get the dimensions and post more pics. I'll have to keep an eye out for these, just in case they exist somewhere around the place in old gardens or something. Are there any sources that you know of for MTBs in Aus? Or are they just in the occasional collection?
Thanks again. 8)
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That is a truly lovely iris Pat, in every way; colour, form, habit and all. Treasure it and spread it around when you can, to other Aussies even if I can't beg a piece, which I would be if we could import iris rhizomes.
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Here is Iris kemaonensis which is doing well, still in its original pot though I'll plant it in the garden this week when the flowers have finished. Three this year after just one last year.
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OK ozzies who want a piece when I can?
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Here is Iris kemaonensis which is doing well, still in its original pot though I'll plant it in the garden this week when the flowers have finished. Three this year after just one last year.
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lovely Lesley, one I should love to grow
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Hi Pat. There are several old iris with that look. Swertii is shorter, San Francisco and Los Angeles
are tall. Had all three at one time. Then there is Mme. Chereau. Here is a pic.
John B
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And here is a link to the Historic Iris Preservation Society site which has pics of all of them.
http://www.hips-roots.com/visitors/v-photos/vp-topframe.html
John B
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John I believe that the ones you listed are normal size tall bearded and not miniature in size of flower and thinness of stems as the one that I showed. I have looked at them before - being a member of HIPS as well. I need to show shots of the whole plant and that is where some of the websites fail a little.
We need a closeup and a whole plant shot of all irises on the AIS wiki and other iris sites.
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OK ozzies who want a piece when I can?
Blast!
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Here is Iris kemaonensis which is doing well, still in its original pot though I'll plant it in the garden this week when the flowers have finished. Three this year after just one last year.
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lovely Lesley, one I should love to grow
If it seeds.....
It didn't last year though I carefully hand pollinated.
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I was surprised to see this Iris flower in a batch from a friend who also supplied the Iris virginica I posted last week. It appears to be the Iris pseudacorus hybrid "Roy Davidson"
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cheers
fermi