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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Lukas H on March 22, 2011, 06:43:04 PM
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Hello everyone,
The year is getting older and the plants are starting to grow. Even here in Switzerland the peonies show already their flower buds. But up to know none is in flower. But there are several seedlings which show their first leave. So it is not that far any more till the blooming season is arrived.
Good growing
Lukas
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First Paeonia in flower. But "only" in the greenhouse. It is a division of my Paeonia qiui which flowers that early this year.
Greetings
Lukas
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Hi Lukas and hi to all forum members,
I am a new arrival on the SRGC forum, so let me introduce myself in few worlds...my name is Matt. I live between London, where I work, and Trieste in NE Italy, where my garden is.
Attached are a few pics taken today in my garden...lots of promising buds, but still a couple of weeks for the flowers to come through!
I look forward to reading and seeing more from all the other members.
Matt
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Welcome to you, Matt.
The new foliage of paeonia must be among the most luscious of all. Such colours and such wonderful stems, who could resist them?
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Here in the hills at the foot of the Alps mountains, a welcome sight in these first days of spring: Paeonia tenuifolia 'Flore Pleno' seems to be born with its buds already developped. I know it will be another 4 weeks before they open, but what a treat to see them back! Between 5 and 7 buds have appeared (some are too tiny to be sure yet), instead of 2 last year! Yeah! :D
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The tenuifolia always look funny with its flower bud which get, under an increasing weight, higher and higher day by day.
Thanks for posting
Lukas
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The shots of Paeonia mlokosewitschii cannot resist the warm weather(up to 20°), rise rather
quick and promise a good flowering.
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The shots of Paeonia mlokosewitschii cannot resist the warm weather(up to 20°), rise rather
quick and promise a good flowering.
Beautiful lusty shoots there Rudi!
johnw
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Here are two more pics of emerging peonys.
The first one shows Paeonia daurica subsp. wittmanniana which is always one of the first with its shiny green leaves.
The second one is the common Paeonia mascula subsp. mascula
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Here I have a special plant which is going to show its first flowers this year.
This is Paeonia algeriensis. It took me severel years to get the division make a second shoot. But now they even flower both! :D
The other special plant is a rockii Seedling which have axil flower buds. After transplantation, there are mostly two buds each stem. But last year there were two stems which had 3 flowers per stem! This one has huge white flowers with dark red blotches, but not black blotches. All other seedlings of my garden collection of a rockii subsp. rockii (ex. linyanshanii) are one flowered plants and two were rose flowered.
Lukas
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Here are some more emerging Peonies.
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Hi everybody,
Risking a severe reprimand, this afternoon I climbed on the Rock Garden at Kew Gardens, and took a pic of Paeonia turcica/ Paeonia mascula subsp. kesrouanensis (according to the the Kew labels), which was in flower. It should actually be Paeonia kesrouanensis, after the last 2010 Hong De-Yuan revision.
However, the leaves look to me a little different from those of the plant in the picture posted by Hendrik Van Bogaert last year
(Paeonia 2010, Posts: 107, 03 April 2010)...any comments about this?
Matt
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Two more images of an other plant of P. turcica in the Rock Garden at Kew and P. obovata in the Woodland Garden.
Matt
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The new, tender foliage is almost as beautiful as the flowers to follow. Lukas, your first one, P. qiui is a treasure. 8)
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Dear Matt,
Thanks for risking a severe reprimand for us to take pictures of these wonderful and rare early flowering Peonies. :D
Greetings
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Two more images of an other plant of P. turcica in the Rock Garden at Kew and P. obovata in the Woodland Garden.
Matt
Dear Matt,
I have 2 plants with the name P. kesrouanensis. Herewith a new picture of the plant I posted last year. Sometimes I think this plant is a real P. mascula; otherwise the carpels are glabrous and that's typical kesrouanensis.
The second picture is probably true P. turcica; in my opinion it resembles the Kew plants you show us. Unfortunately the plant is not flowering this year, but I can say that the flowers are very dark red.
Hendrik
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Herewith a picture of today: the lovely Paeonia coriacea!
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Dear Hendrik,
Thank you for your comments.
Now that I see a more "adult" picture of your P. kesrouanensis (the first plant) I am actually more convinced about its similarity to the plant at Kew. The Kew plant comes from the Antalya Province, which is apparently the north-western boundary for this species. I am not sure whether I will have time to go to Kew again this week to take more picture, but I can tell you that after about 5-7 days the colour of the petals fades quite a lot, getting exactly the same shades showed by the flowers of your plant. The leaves become almost blue/gray and the stems loose almost completely the reddish coloration.
I also grow P. kesrouanensis, I have two plants, one from an English nursery and one from a Dutch nursery, both allegedly from wild seeds, although without a precise provenance... None has flowered yet, but both have leaves very similar to your first plant.
What description/provenance did you get when you acquired your two plants (or seeds)?
I am really surprised that your plants in Belgium are already so far! P. coriacea at Kew and at Highdown are just few centimeters above the ground! Is your peony bed in a very mild spot of your garden or do you shelter your plants with a cold frame?
I look forward to more images from your collection.
Matt
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Dear Hendrik,
Thank you for your comments.
Now that I see a more "adult" picture of your P. kesrouanensis (the first plant) I am actually more convinced about its similarity to the plant at Kew. The Kew plant comes from the Antalya Province, which is apparently the north-western boundary for this species. I am not sure whether I will have time to go to Kew again this week to take more picture, but I can tell you that after about 5-7 days the colour of the petals fades quite a lot, getting exactly the same shades showed by the flowers of your plant. The leaves become almost blue/gray and the stems loose almost completely the reddish coloration.
I also grow P. kesrouanensis, I have two plants, one from an English nursery and one from a Dutch nursery, both allegedly from wild seeds, although without a precise provenance... None has flowered yet, but both have leaves very similar to your first plant.
What description/provenance did you get when you acquired your two plants (or seeds)?
I am really surprised that your plants in Belgium are already so far! P. coriacea at Kew and at Highdown are just few centimeters above the ground! Is your peony bed in a very mild spot of your garden or do you shelter your plants with a cold frame?
I look forward to more images from your collection.
Matt
Dear Matt and of course other peony lovers,
Yes, my garden is always very early, probably because he is protected by hedges all around.
I grow the peonies from South-Europe in raised beds and protected with cold frames especially during summer; our summers here in Belgium are really to wet!
Today starts P. tomentosa flowering. I have received this plant in 2003, only a very small piece of a collection done in Azerbaijan; after 8 years of care and patience you can see now the result: ::)
New name: Peaonia daurica ssp. tomentosa (leaves densely villose on the lower surface)
Hendrik
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Truly stunning plants and pictures Hendrik !!! :o :o
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Truly stunning plants and pictures Hendrik !!! :o :o
Hi Belgium friend, here are the pictures again.
Hendrik
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Today flowers a second plant: Paeonia mascula ssp. russoi; I received this plant under the invalid name Paeonia reversonii.
New name ( Hong De-Yuan) is now Paeonia corsica. By this species are the leaves again densely villose beneath.
Very beautiful form! Look to the purple stems....
Hendrik
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I grow some peonies but they are of course not so advanced here as yours.
While waiting for the earliest to flower I wonder if somebody can tell me the names of these from China?
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I grow some peonies but they are of course not so advanced here as yours.
While waiting for the earliest to flower I wonder if somebody can tell me the names of these from China?
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I think P. obovata; there are 2 subspp: ssp obovata (leaves mostly glabrous on lower surface) and ssp. wilmottiae (densely hispid on lower surface).
Hendrik
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Thanks Hendrik. Have to check when leaves unfurl!
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Dear Hendrik,
Great gardener, great plants and great pictures.
Good photographs of plants from known wild parentage and with an exact provenance are better than a botany treaty.
Thank you very much for your post....I am still greedy for MORE!
Matt
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Paeonia emodi unfurling, in a firework way!
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Paeonia emodi unfurling, in a firework way!
Very nice!
Is really one of the best paeony!
Is it the wild plant or the hybrid 'Early windflower/Late wildflower.
The latest set never seeds and grwos very well; the wild species is not so vigorous and very susceptible to late frost...(here in Belgium).
Hendrik
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Thanks Hendrik! I assume it is the wild one, but cannot be sure...I got it from a german nursery, Hügin, in Freiburg-am-Breisgau. I will go there again by end April, and will ask Ewald about its origin.
A true silk beauty, anyway.
I planted it in half shade, as I read from various sources that it was its preferred location, and that it lasted longer there than in full sun. However, I've seen another similar plant, bought by a friend at the same time from the same nursery, but planted in full sun. Her plant is already much more developped, and has nore shoots. So I'm wondering if I was right...what would you recommend?
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Some fantastic peonies on here and the season has hardly started. I can't wait to see these when they are in flower. I started off (like most people I suppose) with the hybrids but I find myself more and more attracted to the species. I find that is the case now with most of my plants. I have vetchii, a tiny plant of x handel-mazzettii. Does anyone have a picture of that flower? I also have a 17 year old plant of mlokosewitchii which has 9 buds this year.
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I planted it in half shade, as I read from various sources that it was its preferred location, and that it lasted longer there than in full sun. However, I've seen another similar plant, bought by a friend at the same time from the same nursery, but planted in full sun. Her plant is already much more developped, and has nore shoots. So I'm wondering if I was right...what would you recommend?
The Windflower hybrids are really tough plants and will do fine wherever you plant them. I've got a true P. emodi (from a Chris Chadwell seed collection) and find that more delicate. I divided it last year and have half in the shade of an apple tree and the other half in a sunny spot by a young Judas tree - the one in the sunny spot is looking happier. Cambridge Botanic Garden has one labelled P. emodi (although that is no guarantee it's true!) growing in full sun on their rock garden and that flowers very well (picture taken there a couple of years ago).
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Hi Zephirine,
Also at Kew there are several plants labeled P. emodi. Those in the southern part of the Rock Garden probably are true. I am less sure about the HUGE clump in the Order Beds (in the attached photograph from 13 May 2010) that seems to me one of the Windflower hybrids. However they are all very successful in full sun.
Both true p. emodi and Late Windflower flower beautifully in full sun even in northern Italy. The leaves get scorched quite a lot by the sun from July onwards, although this doesn't seem at all to affect the vigor of the plants (as it does with all anomala complex , mairei & japonica/obovata species).
Matt
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P.emodi is really lovely peony! I have only two two-year-old seedlings, so it will take couple of more years to see what they look like and if they are true P.emodi.
I have also a seedling of P.mascula ssp russoi var leiocarpa (what might be the current name of this peony?), and the seeds were bough from Germany couple of years ago but the origin is Kew gardens. I was wondering if anyone has a photo of this plant in Kew?
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Here a true Paeonia emodi from the Chitral Region.
This one has mostly one flower each stem. After the first flower set is over, there comes the second one with a few axil flowers.
And in this plant the carpel is always one. i have only once seen two carpels.
Pictures were taken in the past years
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On my balcony the first treepeony is now in flower. As always, Paeonia decomposita is the first.
This light colored form has white basal blotches. Very lovely form.
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Hi to everybody,
A sunny day after a bit of rain...and the masculas start the season.
The white one was bough from an English nursery as P. mascula ssp. hellenica, although it seem to me only a daurica complex hybrid, especially looking at the leaves...a kind of P. x chamaeleon with very pale flowers. Any comments about this from the experts?
Matt
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On my balcony the first treepeony is now in flower. As always, Paeonia decomposita is the first.
This light colored form has white basal blotches. Very lovely form.
lukas, do you have seed from your decomposita ?
cheers
chris
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Thank you Gail, Matt and Lukas for your input regarding P emodi cultivation. I'll keep it in mind, and decide whether it is better to transplant it in full sun or not, after one ofr two years of observation ( I don't want to disturb it if I can avoid it...).
I just had one and only flower on this plant last year, and there was only one carpel...I'll know better (whether it is a true emodi or not) after my next visit to Hügin, I hope...
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Paeonia papaveracea in flower today.
In reality it is not a proper species, only a blotched hybrid with probably some 'blood' of Paeonia rockii, that was wrongly given the status of species when it first arrived in Europe at the beginning of the 19th Century.
Matt
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So nice foliage Lukas ! :D
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Beautiful Matt!
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A gorgeous plant Matt and thank goodness for its parentage with rockii.
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Seems that all of you are ahead of me with your flowering peonies!
The first here is P mairei. It hasn't yet opened the flowers though.
P mairei this spring.
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Just to show how the flowers are!
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Hello Matt,
Thanks for post these beautiful pictures.
In my opinion the first one is a P. x chamaeleon.
The following pictures are of a white flowering Peony that is in my eyes a mascula subsp. hellenica.
Maybe Hans could help us...
Greetings
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P. cambessedessii opened today :)
I wish I could claim credit for it but amazingly this was bought only a month ago from Rob Potterton, with 3 flower buds. A real bargain and it is a nice form too.
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Matt & Lukas ,
I agree that the first plant is a hybrid from the P.daurica group
To the second plant :
I do not believe it is P.mascula hellenica - after my expierence ( I saw it on the mainland of Greece and on the island of Andros ) are they more grey green -and the leaves are more pointet and not round
please look here :
the first pic is a plant of P.mas. hellenica from a other greek island :
the second picture is taken on a trip on Andros :
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Matt ,
my idea is that your plant could be P.flavescens from Sicily .....
It is a chaotic situation on Sicily ....there grows P.mascula types which sometimes flower in mixed populations ( pink and white ) ...and also grows there P.russoi ( which is more rare )
Here is a pic of a plant which I have grown from seed - collect from me .
Please look for the shape and the color ...I think it is similar to your plant .
The oldest name for this plants is P.flavescens ....later they are distributet under P.mascula hellenica ...a other name was P.mascula sicula -my idea for this plants would be P.mascula confusa ;D
This plants have sometimes also white flowers with dark blotches
I'm sorry my old pics are only slides from my earlier travels...so they look not so nice
It is the common problem ...a plant without a location is not a good plant :-\
Hans 8)
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Paeonia emodi
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Do peonies get the measles?
A couple of my tree peonies have pink spots on their leaves - rather pretty but I'm worried it is a virus...
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Matt & Lukas ,
I agree that the first plant is a hybrid from the P.daurica group
To the second plant :
I do not believe it is P.mascula hellenica - after my expierence ( I saw it on the mainland of Greece and on the island of Andros ) are they more grey green -and the leaves are more pointet and not round
please look here :
the first pic is a plant of P.mas. hellenica from a other greek island :
the second picture is taken on a trip on Andros :
Hi Lukas & Hans,
Thank you for your comments.
This is the demonstration how the same plant can look different in different types of soil even in the same garden!
The first image and the following three are from clones (divisions) of THE SAME PLANT! I transplanted and divided the original plant 2 years ago and I replanted the division in different areas of the garden. The plant (the first image) in poorer sunnier soil is almost pink, the other plants (the other three images), in better soil, are much taller , have bigger leaves and almost pure white flowers...However...Hans you are right, no precise provenance, no good plant!
After having seen the posted images of true mascula hellenica I am also convinced than my plants are p. x chamaeleon, whose flowers can be very variable (the name says it all!...pink, coral, apricot, white, often blotched...)...whilst the leaves are unmistakeably of a daurica complex hybrid.
Attached to this message the first flower of a bunch of seedlings from Sicily (the quality of the pics is just about ok...sorry). It is Paeonia flavescens, after Hong De-Yuan last revision, P. mascula ssp. russii. Although all plants came from the same population, they look relatively different. The plant in flower in the background has rounded leaves slightly hairy on the back, where the plant in the foreground has more pointed leaves that are completely glabrous....This mascula russi & corsica [from a)Sicily, b)Sardinia & Corsica and c)Ionian Islands] classification is still a mystery for me!...Paeonia mascula CONFUSA...well said Hans!
Matt
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Gail,
Yes I think it's measles........http://www.pestid.msu.edu/PlantDiseases/Redspotmeasles/tabid/100/Default.aspx
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Few images from Kew Gardens:
Paeonia clusii, in the Alpine House (it is like a cold conservatory)...with more than 20 flowers on the same plant...STUNNING!
Paeonia kavachensis (apparently now P. daurica subsp. coriifolia), in the Rock Garden.
...and a tribute to the very unlucky areas on North East Japan: Glaucidium palmatum in the Woodland Garden. The genus Glaucidium, in the Ranunculaceae family, is strictly related to the genus Paeonia.
Matt
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Giles - thank you for that link, I hadn't come across it before.
Matt - that picture of P. clusii takes your breath away, fantastic! I've never managed to coincide a visit to Kew with the clusii in flower.
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Few images from Kew Gardens:
Paeonia clusii, in the Alpine House (it is like a cold conservatory)...with more than 20 flowers on the same plant...STUNNING!
I agree a real beauty
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I can't decide which picture or peony I like best, really tempting pictures. Thank you for showing them!
I wish my P.kavanchensis is someday as beautiful as the one in the picture, it is now two year old seedling.
I have only white form of Glacidium palmatum, and haven't wanted a blue one, so that the seeds would come true white from my plants (and the blue ones I have seen were more pale blue), but seeing that blue Glaucidium palmatum now I have to reconsider!
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Wow, Matt,
marvellous plants you have fotographed for us!
Here are some pictures of my garden from the weekend.
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Maybe Paeonia specialists can give me a bit of advice. I have 3 seedlings each,sown June 2008, of P. delavayi angustiloba (SRGC Seed Ex 07/08-2676) and P. delavayi lutea (SRGC Seed Ex 07/08-2678) doing very well indeed and now in 3 litre rose pots. The thing is I doubt if I have room in the garden for one Tree Peony never mind six. Is it possible to grow them in pots and what sort of size would be required for their final potting please?
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David ,
it makes in my eyes really no sense to grow this peonies in pots ( sorry ) - they need room for her roots !
Hans
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Dear David,
Peonies don't like pots...the root system needs lots of space and sudden variations in temperature and moisture inside a pot, especially in light (peat based) compost, are always deadly. You might be lucky and get some flowers in the first years planting in a 50cm pot, but you will never have a good plant. P. delavayi is very versatile and almost indestructible...I am sure you can find a spot in the garden for at least two of your six plants...even if the position is far from ideal, you will have better plants in deep shade or mangled amongst other shrubs, rather than in a pot.
Matt
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In Finland snow is melting and peonies are just only coming up.
Here is P.obovata yesterday
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Leena, there is such promise in those fat shoots, isn't there? :)
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Many thanks Matt and Hans, I suspected that pot culture was not likely to be an option. I have some thinking to do ???
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David ,
dont hurry .....my suggestion to plant those seedlings is to wait until fall ( this is the best time for planting peonies )
Hans
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Leena, there is such promise in those fat shoots, isn't there? :)
Yes. :)
I have grown these from seed and they bloomed first time last year.
And seeing pictures of blooming plants in this forum helps in waiting my own to bloom.
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Hans, many thanks.
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Thank you Lukas for your images!
Great wittmanniana and lovely tenuifolia...waiting now for your rockii seedlings!
Dear Leena,
You MUST try P. anomala and its various forms...you have the right climate for it!
Few more images from my garden:
P. cambessedesi and an other (young) P. mascula russii from Sicily.
This form of mascula russii has pink flowers (a bit bleached by the sun) and red stems. The lower side of the leaves is slightly hairy, less hairy than the plants from Sardinia, but definitely not glabrous...an other example of P. mascula CONFUSA?
Are there other members who also grow plants from Sicily, Sardinia or Corsica?
Matt
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David, a couple of months ago I was given two large plants of a semi double white, called 'Gessachai' I think (doubt if the spelling is right. I can't find the list and the man who gave them to me had a slight lisp so I wasn't sure of the name in the first place). The place I wanted them, wasn't ready (still isn't) so in the meantime they are each planted in a large, half barrel. But I'm expecting this to be temporary only and I suspect when I want them out, I'll have to knock down the hoops and dismantle the half barrels altogether. In the meantime, I have been enjoying their rich crimson autumn foliage, now falling.
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Interesting question, Matt. As a person of Sicilian heritage, I'm very interested in the flora of the country (yes, I said country--Sicilians regard it as such, Italians, not so much), and its contribution to garden flora. I'd like to pull together a series of articles if I can get enough information.
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Just back from Algarve, Portugal.
Where I was able to spot some plants of Paeonia broteroi.
Herewith some pictures. Look at the tomentose carpels who is typical broteroi.
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beautiful habitat pictures Hendrik
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Dear Hendrik,
Lucky you!...Thank you very much for the beautiful and very interesting images. Do you also grow P. broteroi in your garden?
Matt
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Dear Hendrik,
Lucky you!...Thank you very much for the beautiful and very interesting images. Do you also grow P. broteroi in your garden?
Matt
Yes Matt, I grow P. broteroi here in Belgium; not in the garden, but on my raised beds together with clusii, parnassica, ...
I don't know the origin of the plant, but he looks correct.
As soon it will flower, I send you picture.
Hope to send you very soon some nice pictures of different white flowered obovata's.
To start today a nice picture of the well known, but so beautiful mlokosewitschii (I think this clumps are more than 15 years old....).
Hendrik
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Hi to everybody,
Few images from my garden taken this week end:
P. clusii, various forms,
P. daurica (the flowers are slightly discoloured by the sun),
P. kavachensis (P. daurica subsp. coriifolia)
Matt
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Some wonderful plants pictured in this thread. My mlokosewitschii will be at least a week to open yet.
Love the clusii Matt.
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Hi to everybody,
Few images from my garden taken this week end:
P. clusii, various forms,
P. daurica (the flowers are slightly discoloured by the sun),
P. kavachensis (P. daurica subsp. coriifolia)
Matt
Hi Matt,
Your clusii plants are wonderful! You can see that they enjoy the Italian sun.
I like the style of your garden too...
I was so happy to visit Georgia where I have seen P. daurica ssp. coriifolia in their natural environment; they never grow in sun, always in shade, sometimes deep shade.
Hendrik
Hendrik
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:o :o :o Matt your plants are magnificant!
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Hi Hendrik,
Yes, you are right, also P. kavachensis in the Rock Garden at Kew (the huge plant I have shown few days ago) grows in deep shade. I will also move my plant to a shady position in the autumn, as in full sun the flowers lasted barely 4 days this year.
Thank you for the nice comments about my garden...once again the power of good photographs!
Given the soil & climate conditions of my place, the "macchia mediterranea - like" style of the garden was actually the ONLY possible style, as I didn't want to spend the entire summer holding a hosepipe! (although I was told it is a very male thing...LOL).
Thank you Hans A. ...you probably have opted for the same "dry garden" solution...as the climate of your place is even more extreme than mine!
Matt
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As promised herewith some pictures of Paeonia obovata 'Alba';
one form with green leaves (very vigorous - 1 m²!) and one form with dark leaves (not so strong growing and smaller).
In my opinion one of the most esoteric peonies!
Hendrik
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Hendrik,
...talking about plants that like moist fertile woodland conditions...almost impossible to grow in the south...fantastic P. obovata!
The plant at Kew (attached to this post) is like your plant with "red" leaves. Sorry for the ignorance...but I would have sworn that the plant with "green" leaves was a macrophylla, it is really big! Where do they come from?
Matt
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Really beautiful plants Henrik!
Thank you Hans A. ...you probably have opted for the same "dry garden" solution...as the climate of your place is even more extreme than mine!
Yes you are right, they do not get any additional water in summer, actually I am growing only P. cambessedesii and P.clusii in my small garden but I will try some more species . Unfortunately cutworms are very active here at the begining of the year so I did not get any flower on them in 2011. ::) :P
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Hendrik,
...talking about plants that like moist fertile woodland conditions...almost impossible to grow in the south...fantastic P. obovata!
The plant at Kew (attached to this post) is like your plant with "red" leaves. Sorry for the ignorance...but I would have sworn that the plant with "green" leaves was a macrophylla, it is really big! Where do they come from?
Matt
Matt,
Ooh, sorry! I'M WRONG. The first plant is indeed P. macrophylla. You are a real expert!
The plant is mislabelled....
I have no origin of all my macrophylla's; most of this plants are old, at a time without data.
Hendrik
P.S. P. parnassica will flower! Send you very soon pictures.
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Dear Matt and Hendrik,
Lovely obovata you have pictured. Mine is already over. It had only one flower and was in this warm spring in switzerland very fast over. Lasted only about two days... :-( But the red obovata is still in bud. I hope it is still in flower when I visit my garden with the camera! :-)
Keep posting guys. We have already a lovely picture collection of severel species together! :-)
Greetings
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hello, some flowers fron today....
paeonia mlokosewitschii
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/ysa007.jpg?t=1303240510)
paeonia peregrina, seed from boga staßbourg, france....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/ysa010.jpg?t=1303240526)
cheers
chris
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Herewith Paeonia parnassica!
This plant is extremely rare and the colour is unique!
On the first picture you can see that the flowers are rather small.
Enjoy!
Hendrik
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hendrik, fantastic plant, in the greenhouse or in the garden ?????
cheers
chris
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hendrik, fantastic plant, in the greenhouse or in the garden ?????
cheers
chris
Chris,
Indeed, a fantastic rare plant. I'm very proud to show you this plant.
I grow the plant outside on a raised bed; during summer the plant is protected against to much rain by glass.
Hendrik
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hendrik, is this a plant, growing from seed ???
if you have seed from, i´m very interested about.....
cheers
chris
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Wonderful colour on that parnassica Hendrik.
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hendrik, is this a plant, growing from seed ???
if you have seed from, i´m very interested about.....
cheers
chris
Yes, this plant is growing from seed.
It's the second year that I have flowers; last year: no seeds.
I hope really to have some seeds this year!
Hendrik
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Hendrik,
P. parnassica is pure perfection of colour, form and shape! No hybrid will ever have the simple elegance of Paeonia species!
...not even Kew Gardens have P. parnassica...compliments!
Matt
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Hendrik,
P. parnassica is pure perfection of colour, form and shape! No hybrid will ever have the simple elegance of Paeonia species!
...not even Kew Gardens have P. parnassica...compliments!
Matt
Matt,
Thank you very much for your compliments!
Hendrik
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here are some first bloom seedlings. The first two are from a cross of P. ostii (probably Fen Dan Bai, but I'm not sure) and Hana Dai Jin, one showing the flower, the other the foliage, which is very ostii like.
The whites are from Renkaku, pollen parent unknown, but probably not ostii, although, as with ostii, they have coloured (pink, not deep pink-purple as in ostii) sheathes, while Renkauku has a cream sheath.. These are both huge flowers and a third is yet to open, the second one is nicely half-double.
The next is a coral coloured seedling of unknown origin, although I suspect that Duchess of Kent was the pollen parent.
The last is a lavender of unknown parentage. Pretty, but nothing special. Still I find raising moutans from seed always rewarding. The flowers are simply fantastic, whether species or hybrid.
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Here is what i have as P. ostii Fen Dan Bai, for reference, plus a shot of Hana Dai Jin.
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In the last page there are photos of white flowered P.obovata. Here is a photo from last year (it is now only just coming up) of my P.obovata ssp willmottiae, bought four years ago from C.Burkhardt, Germany. It is a big plant, one meter tall and I like it very much. The stamens are different color than in the photo of the white flowered P.obovata. Does anyone know if this color of stamens is usual for ssp willmottiae?
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Here are some rockii hybrids I imported from Lithuania a few years back. The purple is the parent of the rockii-purple seed on the seedex.
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This is a hybrid of P. x chamaeleon, possibly with P. kavachensis, but I have no idea, really. Not the greatest shape, but the colour is very intense (and difficult to capture!). Foliage is very yellow/golden compared to either parent.
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Here Rockii opened the first flower today.
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Stunning :o
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Yes Brian I like that one. My Paeonia cambessedesii is just opening the leaves and is very late. I don't think it liked the long hard winter.
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Hendrik, Hendrik
Amazing P. parnassica you have! Congratulations. My P. arietina is never as dark as your parnassica. They would make a lovely Hybrid which would maybe easier to cultivate...
It looks like you grow it under glass in a raised bed? Have you collected the sseds by yourself?
Greetings
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Hendrik, Hendrik
Amazing P. parnassica you have! Congratulations. My P. arietina is never as dark as your parnassica. They would make a lovely Hybrid which would maybe easier to cultivate...
It looks like you grow it under glass in a raised bed? Have you collected the sseds by yourself?
Greetings
Hi Lukas,
I cultivate this plant on a raised bed; the plant is protected during winter and summer against to much rain by a large sheet of glass.
I have bought seeds of this species many years ago by Mr. Pilous - a Czechoslovak; only one seed germinate; now I have a second seedling, from seeds of Jim Archibald.
I agree, this plant is not easy in cultivation and it is with some luck that this plant grows here very well.
Greetings
Hendrik
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In the last page there are photos of white flowered P.obovata. Here is a photo from last year (it is now only just coming up) of my P.obovata ssp willmottiae, bought four years ago from C.Burkhardt, Germany. It is a big plant, one meter tall and I like it very much. The stamens are different color than in the photo of the white flowered P.obovata. Does anyone know if this color of stamens is usual for ssp willmottiae?
Yes, I think the color of the stamens is usual for spp. wilmottiae.
My plants will flower very soon and I will post a picture so that you can compare.
Greetings
Hendrik
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Here Rockii opened the first flower today.
Wonderful tree paeony!
Hendrik
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Some pictures of today in my garden.
Unfortunately my P. algeriensis was already over, so I was unable to take a picture of the flower...
Cheers
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Yes, I think the color of the stamens is usual for spp. wilmottiae.
My plants will flower very soon and I will post a picture so that you can compare.
Greetings
Hendrik
Thank you Hendrik. :)
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Some pictures of today in my garden.
Unfortunately my P. algeriensis was already over, so I was unable to take a picture of the flower...
Cheers
Thank you for the nice pictures; especially P. algeriensis tekas my attention; it is very rare; I have never seen it in flower.
Do you grow your tenuifolia in full sun?
Hendrik
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Here's my young plant of Paeonia tenuifolia:
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Dear Hendrik,
My tenuifolia grows together with algeriensis, decomposita and mlokosewitschii on an south facing slope on the east side of the house. therfore they get only morning and noon sun. In the afternoon it is shaded by the house.
Here a flower of the algeriensis in 2005
Cheers
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Dear Hendrik,
My tenuifolia grows together with algeriensis, decomposita and mlokosewitschii on an south facing slope on the east side of the house. therfore they get only morning and noon sun. In the afternoon it is shaded by the house.
Here a flower of the algeriensis in 2005
Cheers
Thank you very much for this picture.
This is really an exquisite species!!!
Do you have origin?
Hendrik
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My P. tenuifolia 'Rosea' opening now.
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That's very nice Gail. A translucent delicate salmon.
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Here's my Paeonia anomola. We had a discussion about the plant last year (incidentally I posted it last year on 20 May-funny old year this one!!) and I think the opinion was, on the one part that my plant was P. veitchii; and on the second part it was P. anomola ssp veitchii. The plant in the botton left hand corner is P. cambessedesii that I bought from Wisley at the beginning of the month and is now way past it's best.
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Herewith Paeonia parnassica!
This plant is extremely rare and the colour is unique!
Superb plant and extrordinary colour!
As I know one of the tricky paeonias, congratulation!
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Gail,
Your P. tenuifolia rosea is quite different from mine. My rosea is not nearly as salmon colored. On close inspection flowers are actually white with an overlay of red or dark pink veining. Most people in my location find tenuifolia to be difficult to keep alive. It does not grow well in wet conditions. I grow it in raised beds that contain sand for good drainage. It has multiplied fast for me.
My P ten rosea did not bloom well this year. Below (I hope) is a photo that I took in 2008.
Leon
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New shoots on a Paeonia from Don Armstrong.
johnw
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Here's my Paeonia anomola. We had a discussion about the plant last year (incidentally I posted it last year on 20 May-funny old year this one!!) and I think the opinion was, on the one part that my plant was P. veitchii; and on the second part it was P. anomola ssp veitchii. The plant in the botton left hand corner is P. cambessedesii that I bought from Wisley at the beginning of the month and is now way past it's best.
Nice Paeonia David but even nicer edging slate :)
Would like some of that for my troughs.
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Leon,
My Rosea does fade a bit as the flower matures. It came from Will McLewin's Phedar nursery. Bressingham Gardens in Norfolk has (or had, I haven't been for a while) a lovely big planting of Rosea that looks more like yours.
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Here's my Paeonia anomola. We had a discussion about the plant last year (incidentally I posted it last year on 20 May-funny old year this one!!) and I think the opinion was, on the one part that my plant was P. veitchii; and on the second part it was P. anomola ssp veitchii. The plant in the botton left hand corner is P. cambessedesii that I bought from Wisley at the beginning of the month and is now way past it's best.
Nice Paeonia David but even nicer edging slate :)
Would like some of that for my troughs.
Raided from a skip!!
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A couple of pictures of one of the tree Paeonies from the garden this morning I believe I may have spelt this wrong it is Hanokisoi
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some paenia pics from today...
first lutea 2m high, second p. delavayi...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/xcy002.jpg?t=1303565191)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/xcy005.jpg?t=1303565205)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/xcy001.jpg?t=1303565221)
cheers
chris
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Chris,
Fantastic plants - both of them!
Gerd
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thanks gerd,
we must phone next week, sorry i wasn´t at home if you phone with me.....
cheers and happy easter
chris
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Paeonia veitchii woodwardii
Paeonia beresowskii
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here a natural form, i´ve lost here name ??? and a delavayi growing from seed....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/yasy017.jpg?t=1303671347)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/yasy018.jpg?t=1303671364)
cheers
chris
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P. beresowskii is a real beauty Giles :o I love this colour ;)
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This is the first flower on a seedling P rockii. Raised from seed - thank you Hans. The flower is quite big and is at least 9 ins or 22cm across which took me by surprise when I found it open
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Here are a few more shots of ostii, rockii, first white, then a pink hybrid. The last one is a seedling which I plan to keep.
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This seedling, which clearly looks to have P. x chamaeleon as a parent, is apparently from P. emodi as seedparent. The foliage is intermediate, but I have never heard of such a cross. I did get some seed on P. emodi a few years back and I had tried just about every pollen in the garden on it, plus this was labeled as having been from that seed. Pity it isn't a bit more attractive, but it does have 3 buds and fades out to cream with pink flares over the week. There are two such seedlings, one much more like x chamaeleon in habit.
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Are you sure it's a hybrid? There's bound to be some variation in seedlings of a hybrid, this is F2? F3?
Not that wide hybrids are that unlikely, I have four plants of veitchii x lutea (F2!) about to flower here, ex Severin Schlyter seeds. So far they've looked like regular P. veitchii, so not sure what to expect...
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It is certainly a hybrid. Just of what! All I can guess is, it is actually the seed from P. emodi, either with chamaeleon or anomola pollen, or it is chamaeleon seed with anomola as the pollen parent. A selfing of chamaeleon is unlikely, when I compare other such seedlings, which all resembled the parent closely.
I'm not really sure what characteristics are good to follow in dertermining hybrid parentage. One of the seedlings has very typical chamaeleon foliage, while the other is glossier and narrower. It could even be that they are not related and one was deposited via garden wildlife. P. x chamaeleon produces yearly lots of seed.
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Pink rockii is a very nice flower Jamie ;)
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I really need to hire a proof reader, I ment to say it could be a selfed P. x chamaeleon, but if it's labelled as being from seeds of P. emodi then I guess that it really is a hybrid of that species!
P. x chamaeleon does produce a ton of seeds, I have a couple ex McLewin seeds, but neither show any signs of fading to white and are quite inferior plants, really. (That goes for most of the primary herbaceous hybrids I've grown, they're hardly ever better than their parents.)
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I really need to hire a proof reader, I ment to say it could be a selfed P. x chamaeleon, but if it's labelled as being from seeds of P. emodi then I guess that it really is a hybrid of that species!
P. x chamaeleon does produce a ton of seeds, I have a couple ex McLewin seeds, but neither show any signs of fading to white and are quite inferior plants, really. (That goes for most of the primary herbaceous hybrids I've grown, they're hardly ever better than their parents.)
I agree, most progeny are not better than the parents in the F2, most inferior, some just plain different. A few of mine have good flowers and somewhat golden foliage, but most have strappy blossoms. I dusted these seedlings with pollen from Athena, which has better form and substance, just to see.
Nicole, if you want some seed, I'll send you some, but they may not be selfs. I've dusted pollen of P. ludlowii on many blossoms this year. In any case, what seeds I get should be interesting to bloom.
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Here are a few more shots of ostii,..............
Saw a potted version of P. ostii (in a very big pot at £45) at Pinetree Garden Nursery near St Austell. It had a divine scent.
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Hello,
here are some pictures of this weekend. Due to transplantation I have only a few of my beloved rockii-seedlings which are flowering this year. But a few from my Peony-Hedge are in full flower. The rose Hybrid without any blotches is a rockii-Hybrid. I have also received white seedlings which are looking like Feng Dan Bai as offspring of the mother plant rockii subsp. rockii (ex linyanshanii). Fascinating! :-) I am convinced, that there are much more plants flowering next year. And then the planmting site looks much more floriferous.
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This is the first flower on a seedling P rockii. Raised from seed - thank you Hans. The flower is quite big and is at least 9 ins or 22cm across which took me by surprise when I found it open
Was one of the parents P. linyanshanii or P. ostii (Feng Dan Bai)? Really beautiful!...and somehow similar to the first seedling shown by "Swiss" Hans...which i think has P. linyanshanii as parent.
Matt
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This is the first flower on a seedling P rockii. Raised from seed - thank you Hans. The flower is quite big and is at least 9 ins or 22cm across which took me by surprise when I found it open
Was one of the parents P. linyanshanii or P. ostii (Feng Dan Bai)? Really beautiful!...and somehow similar to the first seedling shown by "Swiss" Hans...which i think has P. linyanshanii as parent.
Matt
Thanks Matt but I can't help with possible parentage as these plants were raised from seed from Hans J as rockii perhaps he will comment as I do not know whether these were open pollinated or not. Anyway isn't linyanshanii a subspecies of rockii? I have 3 other rockiis from various sources including a small layer from a well known parent plant and all seem to differ in some way except for the purple blotch at the base of the petals. This plant is currently growing on my allotment at present and will definitely be transplanted to the garden.
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This is the first flower on a seedling P rockii. Raised from seed - thank you Hans. The flower is quite big and is at least 9 ins or 22cm across which took me by surprise when I found it open
Was one of the parents P. linyanshanii or P. ostii (Feng Dan Bai)? Really beautiful!...and somehow similar to the first seedling shown by "Swiss" Hans...which i think has P. linyanshanii as parent.
Matt
Thanks Matt but I can't help with possible parentage as these plants were raised from seed from Hans J as rockii perhaps he will comment as I do not know whether these were open pollinated or not. Anyway isn't linyanshanii a subspecies of rockii? I have 3 other rockiis from various sources including a small layer from a well known parent plant and all seem to differ in some way except for the purple blotch at the base of the petals. This plant is currently growing on my allotment at present and will definitely be transplanted to the garden.
Ian + Matt
I have just seen your picture of this wonderful P.rockii seedling ( grown from my seed )
I have not pollinate with P.linyanshanii ......because my own ( selfgrown ) P.linyanshanii ( seeds from USA ) have flowered here for the first time in year 2009 - this seeds was from selfed pollinatet flowers.
The mother plant from where comes this seeds is from a german plantfriend -I know nothing about the provenace.....it is possibly that they has a bit of P.linyanshanii blood because the habit is different from all my other P.rockii plants -it has only few strong stems ( we call this in german : sparrig...but I dont know a translation ) and is very big ( near 2 m ) -the flowers are big ...but not so big as my own P.linyansanii
Sorry for answering not earlier to this point ...but it is near impossibly to read all here in this forum -but if anyone has a question so please send me a PM ...and I will answer soon
Good luck with your plant
Hans
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This is the first flower on a seedling P rockii. Raised from seed - thank you Hans. The flower is quite big and is at least 9 ins or 22cm across which took me by surprise when I found it open
Was one of the parents P. linyanshanii or P. ostii (Feng Dan Bai)? Really beautiful!...and somehow similar to the first seedling shown by "Swiss" Hans...which i think has P. linyanshanii as parent.
Matt
Matt :
what you mean ?
...I'm not from Swiss ...I live in south western germany ( close the border to Swiss ) ...do you mean Lukas H. ?
Ciao
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This is the first flower on a seedling P rockii. Raised from seed - thank you Hans. The flower is quite big and is at least 9 ins or 22cm across which took me by surprise when I found it open
Was one of the parents P. linyanshanii or P. ostii (Feng Dan Bai)? Really beautiful!...and somehow similar to the first seedling shown by "Swiss" Hans...which i think has P. linyanshanii as parent.
Matt
Thanks Matt but I can't help with possible parentage as these plants were raised from seed from Hans J as rockii perhaps he will comment as I do not know whether these were open pollinated or not. Anyway isn't linyanshanii a subspecies of rockii? I have 3 other rockiis from various sources including a small layer from a well known parent plant and all seem to differ in some way except for the purple blotch at the base of the petals. This plant is currently growing on my allotment at present and will definitely be transplanted to the garden.
Ian + Matt
I have just seen your picture of this wonderful P.rockii seedling ( grown from my seed )
I have not pollinate with P.linyanshanii ......because my own ( selfgrown ) P.linyanshanii ( seeds from USA ) have flowered here for the first time in year 2009 - this seeds was from selfed pollinatet flowers.
The mother plant from where comes this seeds is from a german plantfriend -I know nothing about the provenace.....it is possibly that they has a bit of P.linyanshanii blood because the habit is different from all my other P.rockii plants -it has only few strong stems ( we call this in german : sparrig...but I dont know a translation ) and is very big ( near 2 m ) -the flowers are big ...but not so big as my own P.linyansanii
Sorry for answering not earlier to this point ...but it is near impossibly to read all here in this forum -but if anyone has a question so please send me a PM ...and I will answer soon
Good luck with your plant
Hans
Hans I am absolutely delighted with the plant - thank you 8)
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Matt :
what you mean ?
...I'm not from Swiss ...I live in south western germany ( close the border to Swiss ) ...do you mean Lukas H. ?
Ciao
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Sorry Hans, sorry Lukas,
Of course I meant Lukas H. the Swiss guy and his rockii linyanshanii hedge!...an example of memory problems at an early age...
Ian's rockii hybrid has probably blood of Feng Dan Bai...that results in the upright bush, in the quite entire/lanceolate leaves and in the red carpels container.
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Hi everybody,
The last of the herbaceous species to flower in my garden: P. broteri...few days after P. peregrina.
My father tried an "artistic shoot" but something went wrong! Thank you dad anyway! LOL.
Lukas, next year you should also buy a digital camera for your parents and ask them (I know how difficoult it is!) to take pics of your plants...this way we will be sure to finally see you fantastic (and ephemeral) P. algerensis in flower!
Matt
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Matt,
your dad did well, IMO. It's nice to see a piece of the bed, to get an idea of the culture. Beautiful flower in any case.
By the way, where are you? You haven't posted much in particulars on your header and in signature. It always helps to know ones climate.
Ciao,
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Jamie,
I see you have been doing Osti crosses. Have you tried lutea X osti? The osti parentage yields plants that hold their flowers well above the plants. That should help to get better posture from lutea hybridization.
I confess I have tried the cross several times using fertile lutea hybrids such as Alice Harding. So far seedlings that have bloomed are not yellow.
Leon
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Leon,
I have pollinated one flower of ostii with ludlowii, which, depending on the book, is a variety of lutea. I also, used it to pollinate a huge japanese white, Hakuo-jishi, as well as some rockii hybrids. In 5 years or so, I'll let you know what happened. ;) ;D
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Paeonia delavayi var. lutea flowering today
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Hi Regelian,
I live and work in London but my (parents') garden is in NE Italy. I have added the "Google Map Info" to my profile.
Matt
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My tree peonies are beginning to bloom well. Some of my Daphnis hybrids are looking good this year. Today we are having very high winds from south; not good for the blooms.
Below is Nike and Pluto
Leon
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More Daphnis in bloom.
Oread and Maria Teressa
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Gauguin (Daphnis)
Leda (Daphnis)
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Leon,
quite a collection you have going. I rarely see the Daphnis group offered, and then it is a top dollar affair. Nice to see these. Do any of them set seed?
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very nice indeed Leon
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Jamie,
Yes, a number of the Daphnis hybrids are fertile. Unfortunately I have not had good luck getting seedlings to survive and large enough to bloom. I get a number of seedlings up but most are lost the first summer. I have begun to plant seeds in pots rather than sowing in the ground. I hope I will have better luck.
I set a goal a number of years ago to try to get a complete collection of Daphnis peonies. I do try to get some each year. It is getting harder. Most plants I am missing are more rare and some are available but never seems to fit into my budget. Many of my plants are from scions that I was able to graft and grow. By my count Daphnis registered 48 cultivars. Some of them you just never see. I fear that two of them may be totally lost. These are Nassos Daphnis (D-361) and Medea (D-360). Many will argue that Nassos Daphnis is not a registered cultivar. I would think someone has these growing in their garden but they may no longer have them named. I will post more photos as other cultivars begin to bloom.
Leon
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Paeonia lovers who haven't found it before may find this Site of interest.
http://www.linwoodgardens.org/Linwood_Gardens/Home.html
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Paeonia lovers who haven't found it before may find this Site of interest.
http://www.linwoodgardens.org/Linwood_Gardens/Home.html
and this one, also......http://www.paeonia.ch/zuechtere/Nasso1e.htm
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About this peony the only reference I can give as coming from Roy Lancaster and I presume that P. rockii
is a parent and that I like it very much?
Paeonia Sandrine
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A favourite hybrid, 'Athena', opened this weekend. Very precocious, very beautiful. Plus a shot of P. anomola. Great substance on this seedling.
Athena
anomola
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Many years ago, I sowed seeds from a P. tenuifolia, but the resulting plants did not look like mummy.
I suppose, that the (bumble)bees carried pollen of other wild peonies to this plant, maybe from P.mascula,
and think, that the result is quite showy.
P. ostii is the most vigorous tree peony I ever grew.
P. mlokosewitschi is more cream coloured as the picture shows, my camera seems,to have some problems
with yellow.
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If anyone who has not yet discovered the beauty of paeonies sees these pages, their hearts will be captured instantly, I am sure!
So far I have only the first flowers out on P. lutea.... but other buds are getting fat.
The day I have a clump to rival that magnificent P. ostii is the day I will be breaking open the champagne!
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Rudi - I think your ostii is the most beautiful peony I've ever seen. And the foliage is so delicate and almost bamboo-like.
As it's also native to Gansu it should be very cold hardy. How high up does it grow in Yunnan? Did you grow cw seed?
johnw
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P. ostii is completely hardy here, John, you shouldn't have any problems with it :)
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A couple of pictures of one of the tree Paeonies from the garden this morning I believe I may have spelt this wrong it is Hanokisoi
'Hana Kisoi' I think.
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Hi Rudi,
Great plants!
I had never seen the albino version of P. arietina! Stunning! Where does it come from? From wild origin?
Do you prune quite hard your P. ostii to keep it so compact?
Matt
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Rudi - I think your ostii is the most beautiful peony I've ever seen. And the foliage is so delicate and almost bamboo-like.
As it's also native to Gansu it should be very cold hardy. How high up does it grow in Yunnan? Did you grow cw seed?
johnw
What we grow in our gardens with the mane of P. ostii is likely to be a plant originated and selected in cultivation, not in the wild. The Chinese, who call it "Feng Dan Bai", grow those plants quite extensively (in fields!) to harvest the roots. Calling those plants Paeonia ostii it is a bike like calling the wheat we see in the fields Triticum aestivum. After so many centuries (millennia for the wheat!) of cultivation those plants are likely to be only a selection of the species...a kind of "domesticated" species (if not a hybrid!).
Of course few plants of so called P. ostii were found in the wild...but in the same way one can find wheat growing in a woodland...on the side of the roads...or even in the stones between railways tracks!...this doest mean that those plants are from wild origin!
Lukas H. has information about a plant of apparently wild origin brought back from China by Gian Lupo Osti...which is quite tender...Lukas may be you have more to tell us about this!
Matt
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Feng Dan Bai, is very likely to have some hybridization in its heritage. Most specimens of the cultivar Feng Dan Bai shows some degree palmation in the leaflets. Pure species P. ostii should shows no palamtion at all and all leaflets should be more toward a lanceolate or narrowly ovate form without any lobes. I have a few plants in my garden that I obtained as P. ostii but all show some degree of plamation. It is very difficult to obtain a good plant of the species. Since Feng Dan Bai is grown by the hundreds of hectares in China the seeds are easily available. This cultivar is generally seed grown rather than being grafted.
In my garden seedpods are full every year and every spring it appears that every seed comes up... Twice.
Leon
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In my garden seedpods are full every year and every spring it appears that every seed comes up... Twice.
Leon
My heart soars to think of people with such "weeds" in their gardens as twice sprouting paeony seeds of this calibre! Happy days! 8)
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As with maggi, paeonies only just getting going here, though P lutea ludlowii has had first few flowers for a week now.
Have been struggling to get a true 'Moly the witch' to flowering size. Had seed many times, most of which didn't germinate - or turned out to be something completely different, or just withered away. I've been waiting for the first flowering of my latest attempt for some years and lo and behold this year there are four flowers. At long last!!!
Wonderful too...... ;D ;D ;D
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Dear friends,
many thanks for your friendly comments. I got the Paeonia ostii 4 years ago as a 20 cm high potted seedling
from a friendly cactus collector(!) and never had to prune it until now.
The P. arietina alba is also a gift from an English plantsman, he told me, that maybe all the plants in cultivation
are from his stock plant. I will do my very best to keep it in good condition.
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In my garden seedpods are full every year and every spring it appears that every seed comes up... Twice.
Leon
My heart soars to think of people with such "weeds" in their gardens as twice sprouting paeony seeds of this calibre! Happy days! 8)
it is true...the seeds germinate every where...in the lawn as well...even in the compost...and Feng Dan Bai seedlings are likely to flower just after 4 years...no wonder it is so widely cultivated in China.
Dear Maggi...if you want seeds...(how many Kg?) just ask! LOL
The pics were taken on the 13th of April
Matt
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Dear Maggi...if you want seeds...(how many Kg?) just ask! LOL
Matt
Matt,
LOL indeed. That one got a laugh out of me.
Paeonia ostii root peal is used to treat menstruation (monthly period) pain, hyperglycemia (high blood sugar), blood clots, and stomach pain. Its reputed to treat hemorrhages, nervous disorders, menstrual difficulties, and, if taken for a long time, it would give vigor to the body and prolong life. It also relieves blood deficiency (such as fever, skin rashes, and nose bleeding). The list goes on and on.
If you dig an ostii plant you will quickly realize the medicinal value of P. ostii. The roots have a powerfully strong pharmaceutical smell. While the root of this plant treats the ills of more people in the world than any other medicine unfortunately the only pharmaceutical value in the root is the smell.
Luckily Paeonia ostii saved many Chinese tree peony cultivars. During Chariman Mao's cultural revolution music, art and anything thought to be beautiful was destroyed. Individuals that grew cultivars of tree peonies in their gardens would cut the buds off the plant before they could bloom under the pretence that their plant was Feng Dan Bai grown only for medicine. If the plant bloomed and the blooms were not white the plant would have been destroyed and the owner would have been in trouble.
Leon
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Hello everybody,
About the ostii discussion. I have to look in the evening about pictures. But I have seen and fotographed a wild collected ostii.
The garden of Wädenswil received it as a gift from Gian Lupo Osti personally. But I don't know if it is still alive.
This one is hard to keep alive north of the alps. Very suspectible to fungus, the flowers did'nt open properly and it had stucks in growth. And last it died back to the ground almost every year...
In the flower it looks the same as Feng Dan Bai which is much easier to cultivate and widely available. But I didn't look that propre on the leaves. I hope I have good pictures to post...
All the best
Lukas
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In my garden seedpods are full every year and every spring it appears that every seed comes up... Twice.
Leon
My heart soars to think of people with such "weeds" in their gardens as twice sprouting paeony seeds of this calibre! Happy days! 8)
Maggie,
I thought you might like to see an area in one of my tree peony beds full of "weeds". Most are P. ostii but not all.
Leon
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Here are the promised pictures of the real ostii and the Cultivar Feng Dan Bai.
I don't have a picture of an open flower because there was never an open flower, all these buds died because of a fungus...!
Hope this helps.
Lukas
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Thank you very much Lukas!
Very interesting but...those leaves look all the same to me! And even the plant with supposed white provenance seems to have few lobed leaflets. Did you notice at the time any peculiar difference which is not visible on the photographs?
Gian Lupo Osti is still alive...he will be 92 this year...and he has just written a new book "De senectute in horto". Did he not give at the time precise information about his gift to Waedenswil Garden?
Matt
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Here are some pics from a plant which is flowering for me the first time ....it is really interesting :o
I have collect some seeds before some years by climbing a mountain in Croatia - normally there grows mostly P.officinalis ...but this plants looks different .
My first idea was that this is P.mascula .....but now I believe this is something from the P.daurica complex ???
The leaves looks exactly like my P.daurica ( from W.Mclewin ) ....but they have finished flowering before some weeks - a other strange thing is the flower ....they have basal blotches ....I have never seen before this on a P.daurica.
P.daurica is located in Georgia ....so this is pretty far away :-\
Any ideas ?
Sorry ...but I have only one single plant :'(
Hans
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Hans,
do you think it may be a wild mascula-type hybrid or a similar type of hybrid? (P.mascula boduri should have these basal spots) It does have the look of the daurica group, as you say, but these are very close to the mascula ssps. as I understand. Other than P. mascula, I don't know what other species are found in the area? Do you?
In any case, a striking plant. It is in good hands. ;D
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Jamie ,
it is not a hybrid !!!
On this top of the mountain grows only this kind of plants - the P.officinalis grows far away in other parts of Croatia .
It is shure not a P.mascula ( I know P.mascula from so many populations in the wild )
I believe after the new book of Hond deHuan is P.mascula clear separatet from the P.daurica complex ( mlokosewitchii and other ) -maybe Matt or Lukas can say somthing to this point what is written in this book -I have it not.
I have sometimes found in the wild peonies with basal blotches : P.clusii ,P.broteroi,P.mascula on Sicily ....
Hans
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Hans,
now that IS exciting! It may well be undescribed, and such a beauty. Keep us tuned into what goes on. Hopefully it will self and set seed.
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You are way ahead of me with all your beautiful plant portraits!
Now my first peony has opened - P mairei. I have three plants obtained from Glendoick some years ago and they are all a little different. Only one has opened its flowers yet.
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Are any of your clones fragrant? They do seem quite variable, my earliest clone has been in flower for over a week now.
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Hi Hans,
Beautiful plant!
It could be P. daurica ssp. velebitensis, which only grows on the Velebit Mountains (part of the Dinaric Alps) in Dalmatia - Croatia at an altitude between 900 and 1200m.
This species is described as species nova in Hong De-Yuan book.
The main feature is that all lower leaves are biternate with 9 LEAFLETS (clearly visible in your pics), obovate, rarely oblong-elliptic, rounded to acute to the apex, rather DENSELY VILLOSE beneath (less visible in your pics). Carpels are 2 or 3 in number, tomentose.
This leaf morphology is within the range of P. daurica and this is why Hong De-Yuan considers this peony a subspecies of P. daurica rather than of P. mascula.
In P. mascula complex there are MORE THAN 9 LEAFLETS (or leaf segments) on lover leaves, which are ovate or oblong-elliptic, acute at the apex, GLABROUS OR SPARSELY HISPID beneath.
None of the P. mascula complex grows in ex Jugoslavia.
No mention in the book about the colour of the flowers.
The only observation I can make from the images of your plant is that the leaves don't seem to be tomentose beneath...in this case it could be P. daurica ssp daurica which grows in the mountains near Dubrovnic and in Kosovo (which is actually Serbia).
M.
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Hi Matt ,
thank you for your informations -very interesting !
Yes -I have found this population in the Velebit Mts. ( between Senj and Starigrad )
....I have just looked my plant has on the backsite of the leaves little hairs ....but not very much .
Please dont forget it is only a single plant .....maybe on other plants are more hairs
Ciao
Hans
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Surely if the two plants are so prolific, (P. ostii and 'Feng Dan Bai') we might expect to see them in the next seedlists? (A smiley here, for hopefully.)
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Dear Hans,
I am agree with Matt that this is P. daurica subsp. velebitensis.
My parents were last year in Croatia and have found a flowering population of this peony.
I try to get images of these. But they were not able to bring back seeds as there were non around in May...
After posting the images we could probably say more about this plant.
Greetings
Lukas
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Here are two photos of which I beleve it is Paeonia mascula subsp. bodurii
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Hi Lukas ,
thank you for your confirmation with P.daurica ssp. velebitensis ...I'm interestet to see the pics !
Very nice P.bodurii !!!
Hans
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Dear Hans,
here are the promised pictures. Do not look exactly like yours.
But tomentose carpels and leaves would fit I think.
Just doesn't have your marvelleous blotches...
Regards
Lukas
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We experienced several days of cool weather. This slowed down the tree peonies from opening flowers. Now it has warmed back up and things are moving fast. Forecast for early next week is 90°F (32°C).
Below is Hephestos (Daphnis). I missed taking a photo of Icarus. I had it emasculated and ready to pollenate before I thought to take a photo.
Leon
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Demetra (Daphnis)
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Hi Lukas ,
Thank you for posting those pics from Croatia - and thank you also to your parents !
Maybe not all populations have those plants with this blotches ?
Greetings
Hans
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wowowow LUKAS!
great pics of p. velebitensis...say thanks to your parents! the 9 leaflets are a peculiar feature...relatively easy to distinguish from other species (easy to say having seen your and hans s pics!)
where does the p. bodurii come from?
matt
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Paeonia tomentosa and P. paradoxa shoots today.
johnw
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Paeonia emodi
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Blooming now, two favorite peonies.
1. Paeonia tenuifolia
2. Paeonia Mlokosewitschii
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1. Paeonia tenuifolia
Astragalus, it isn't P. tenuifolia at all. It is rather P. intermedia C.A. May distributed in Kazakhstan steppes.
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Dimitri:
How do you differentiate between the two.
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Hong has Paeonia cathayana included in the tree peonies. I don't have the Hong book but hope to soon. Does anyone grow this? Ayone one have a picture? Does anyone know anything about it? Has it been renamed, if so under what taxon does Stern or Halda place it?
There are many sources that supply P. suffructicosa, P. rockii, P. ostii, P. delavayi and P. ludlowii. Are there any sources that offer P. qiui, P. jishuanensis, P. decomposita or P cathayana? I would think there would be some sources for these in China.
I tried to compare Sterns, Halda, and Hong. The exercise has been a bit frustrating. I thought there would be some semblance of them lining up. They don't. If you have any suggestions I would be glad to hear them.
Here is what I did ->http://www.peonies.org/cgi-bin/PeonySpeciesSidebySide.html (http://www.peonies.org/cgi-bin/PeonySpeciesSidebySide.html)
Leon
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OKpeony.com has cultivated material of Paeonia qiui and P. decomposita, as does Phedar, I believe. Lausitzer Pfingstrosen lists P. jishanensis, possibly ex Chen Yi?
> They don't. If you have any suggestions I would be glad to hear them.
Hong discusses this in his book, will take a pic of the relevant page later.
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Hong has Paeonia cathayana included in the tree peonies. I don't have the Hong book but hope to soon. Does anyone grow this? Ayone one have a picture? Does anyone know anything about it? Has it been renamed, if so under what taxon does Stern or Halda place it?
There are many sources that supply P. suffructicosa, P. rockii, P. ostii, P. delavayi and P. ludlowii. Are there any sources that offer P. qiui, P. jishuanensis, P. decomposita or P cathayana? I would think there would be some sources for these in China.
I tried to compare Sterns, Halda, and Hong. The exercise has been a bit frustrating. I thought there would be some semblance of them lining up. They don't. If you have any suggestions I would be glad to hear them.
Here is what I did ->http://www.peonies.org/cgi-bin/PeonySpeciesSidebySide.html (http://www.peonies.org/cgi-bin/PeonySpeciesSidebySide.html)
Leon
Leon,
you are a VERY BRAVE man!
Before getting crazy with all that complicated botanical literature, you have to be aware (i am sure you are!) that the concept of species (there are over 60 different definitions!) is a very human creation. Therefore the way we "classify" nature is completely independent from what nature is or does in reality...nothing is black or white, right or wrong...but there are lots of shades of gray!
I am always amazed by the similarity between jurisprudence and botany. Lawyers make the laws to be able to read them as they want...in the same way botanists dispute about nomenclature (which is part of international law!)...and most of the time is on the reader on how to interpret it. (...don't get me wrong...this is said with great admiration for the work of both lawyers and botanists!)
Matt
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1. Paeonia tenuifolia
Astragalus, it isn't P. tenuifolia at all. It is rather P. intermedia C.A. May distributed in Kazakhstan steppes.
I hope you will say what the difference is and how you were able to identify this so quickly. Gardeners I know are groing this as Paeonia tenuifolia and distributing it among themselves as such so there are a number of us who would be interested in learning how this plant differs from P. tenuifolia.
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Paeonia tenuifolia & intermedia
I have not grown P. intermedia. The first plant that I received as a fern leaf peony was a plant that I think was P. smouthii. Smouthii has foliage that is very similar to the photo posted by Astragalus. I don't think smouthii is a species, I assume it to be hybrid as it does not set seed.
One unique feature of smouthii is the flower color is not a true red like every tenuifolia hybrid I have seen. Smouthii is actually very dark hot pink. The photo Astragalus posted does show flowers that may be in that hot pink color range but photos can be deceiving when it comes to flower color.
Leon
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I always thought of it as red but when the sun is on the flowers, they are a very dark hot pink. So does that make another possibility for what this beautiful plant actually is called?
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Yijia posted a nice picture of a Xinjiang P. intermedia here (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7203.msg200168#msg200168).
Hong vs. other monographs below.
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While you guys are discussing names I am enjoying my plants with or without names :o
This is a seedling, I have no name. Possibly a cross.
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Great Foliage! Really sets off the flowers. Yeah, something about is says hybrid, doesn't it. Does it set seed? (not that that rules out hybrid!)
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1. Paeonia tenuifolia
Astragalus, it isn't P. tenuifolia at all. It is rather P. intermedia C.A. May distributed in Kazakhstan steppes.
I hope you will say what the difference is and how you were able to identify this so quickly. Gardeners I know are groing this as Paeonia tenuifolia and distributing it among themselves as such so there are a number of us who would be interested in learning how this plant differs from P. tenuifolia.
Oh, never mind - the most people confused always!!!!! these two steppe's Paeonia species - P. tenuifolia and P. intermedia (syn. P. hybrida Pallas) BUT it is easy to separate them each other!!))) I'm growing this species - P. tenuifolia, many many years from Crimea where this is distributed on jajlas and northern sea slopes. It differs by purest midsized scarlet color of flower and extremally thin leaf lobe like fennel leaves! and not so broad leaf lobes like on astragalus picture.
Please, find here on pics the plants of P. tenuifolia from my garden and wild - Flore Pleno form, ordinary Crimean plant and albino form pictured in N. Caucasus by Sergey Banketov from Russia. Pay attention to leaf lobe width - this is typical width for true P. tenuifolia, NEVER broader!!! And one more - the true P. tenuifolia is difficult to grow in humid and warm climat, it needs snowy cold winter and HOT DRY summer to induce the flowering. P. intermedia isn't so problematic plant in more north-western regions of Europe and very well grows and blooms even in Moscow.
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Great Foliage! Really sets off the flowers. Yeah, something about is says hybrid, doesn't it. Does it set seed? (not that that rules out hybrid!)
Yes, I like it although the flowers are rather small. It didn't set seed last year but who knows what happens this year ;D
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Hi
"A few" Paeonia officinalis banatica at Berlin-Dahlem Botanical Garden.
Matt
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Hong vs. other monographs below.
Arisaema,
Thank you, This bares witness, that it does seem my attempt at comparison was futile, just as Matt indicated.
Leon
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Just an un-named garden hybrid but nice all the same. It's really a deep crimson but either my camera doesn't like reds or I'm a lousy photographer-possibly the latter :P
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here is a
Daphnis Saunders hybrid, I beleive it is Marchioness. (label disintergrated!) It has taken a while to get going, but seems to have come into its stride this year.
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Jamie ,
Marchioness is not a Daphnis breeding - it is from Prof. Saunders (1942 )
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Marchioness sounds like a name that would be Daphnis but then so does Vesuvian. I made the mistake of grabbing a Vesuvian before making sure it was a Daphnis. I was disappointed when I learned it was not. I attempted to cross pollenate both this spring to see what I will get. I used Reath A-198 pollen on Vesuvian and Joseph Rock SD pollen on Marchioness; I am not sure Marchioness is a good pod parent. I do hope Joseph Rock is a viable pollen parent; I used it on several yellows hoping for a decent yellow with large purple flares.
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Leon,
I have pollinated one flower of ostii with ludlowii, which, depending on the book, is a variety of lutea. I also, used it to pollinate a huge japanese white, Hakuo-jishi, as well as some rockii hybrids. In 5 years or so, I'll let you know what happened. ;) ;D
Jamie,
I just noticed what you said above; it didn't register when I originally saw it. You have reversed the cross. Daphnis and Gratwick learned by experience that the cross you made, Suffructicosa X Lutea results in 1 in 50,000 possible seedlings. Not good odds. The cross using P. lutea should be accomplished via Lutea X Suffructicosa. Once you get to the F1 stage then you can try using Lutea Hybrid as the pollen parent.
Somewhere on Walter Good's website there is the story behind Daphnis and Gratwich discovering this. As I recall the one seed that succeeded became Zephyrus.
Leon
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Hans,
thanks for the correction. I had Ariadne in my head as I wrote, which I lost two Winters ago. Pity, as it was expensive.
Leon,
I have made most of my crosses with ludlowii as the seed parent and it looks like I have quite a few takes. I had never read this problem with the reverse using lutea. Interesting and there is certainly something to research, here. I've not looked at mouton chromosomes and it may well be worth a look.
As I am using P. ludlowii (from Kelways), a 2m tall plant, it may make a difference in the progeny. Although there is apparently a clear difference between lutea and ludlowii, I've never had the two next to each other. Perhaps I should get some lutea seed just to do a comparison. I do grow quite a few plants of delavayii, all from seed and most likely unpure, as the seed came from the Cologne Flora Botanical Garden, where P. lutea, P. delavayii, P. potanini and P. ludlowii all grow together. Not necessarily named, either, but their stature and habit truly seperates them. The P. delavayii is 1.8m, with P. potanini about 80cm to 100cm. with coppery flowers instead of deep brown-red.
Here is a shot of P. peregrina, also from seed, this time from Berlin-Dahlem, found lying on the walkway. A very satisfying species with uniquely coloured blossoms. The foliage is extremely attractive, as well. I have some more seedlings which have matured to P. anomola with very good substance and strong, deep peony pink.
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Wild Paeonia tenuifolia in Voronezh area two days ago.
(http://cs10495.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/93003623/y_1df194d8.jpg)
Strange one.
(http://cs10495.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/93003623/y_89943262.jpg)
(http://cs10495.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/93003623/y_fedcc3fb.jpg)
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THANK YOU Olga!
Fantastic!
M.
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Amazing pictures ! Thanks for sharing them with us
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Dear Oakwood,
Is this a real Paeonia tenuifolia alba which I have seen on your picture? Never seen this one, only the var. rosea...
Dear Olga, thanks for posting this marvelleous meadow. I love to see peoys in the wild! :-)
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Olga, what a fantastic picture of all the P. tenuifolia plants. Your large packet of seed was well distributed. I hope....... ;D
And a white one as well. That's a small marvel. :D 8)
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Gorgeous peonies, everyone!
What an absolutely stunnning sight, Olga! :o
Could you please tell me if this peony would be P. intermedia also? I received it as P. tenuifolia but I always assumed it must be some sort of hybrid, until I saw this thread.
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Dear Oakwood,
Is this a real Paeonia tenuifolia alba which I have seen on your picture? Never seen this one, only the var. rosea...
Dear Olga, thanks for posting this marvelleous meadow. I love to see peoys in the wild! :-)
That is an amazing find of tenuifolia in the wild. Absolutely beautiful.
I don't think the second and third photo is P. tenuifolia 'alba'. I may be offbase here but I actually think this particular plant may have suffered spring freeze damage. The bulb would have been just out of the ground and in early development when an untimely freeze arrested some of the development. The petals could have been killed and all that remained of the bloom is the central boss of stamen. The foliage on this plant looks damaged also. I have seen this happen before with tree peonies but I have not seen this with tenuifolia. It does seem possible. The problem may have affected only plants that were a bit more advanced than others.
Do other of you agree or am I way offbase here?
Leon
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Thank you friends!
P. tenuifolia is a flower of my childhood. I like it very much...
Leon
I just can say it is not P. tenuifolia. :-\
Paeonia tenuifolia Alba shown by Oakwood was found by friends of our friend Sergey Banketov. Here are some more pictures made by Sergey.
(http://cs10757.vkontakte.ru/u124388577/126482068/z_d14b7851.jpg)
(http://cs10757.vkontakte.ru/u124388577/126482068/z_94760713.jpg)
Another one with white throat.
(http://cs10757.vkontakte.ru/u124388577/126482068/z_caa0ffd6.jpg)
(http://cs10757.vkontakte.ru/u124388577/126482068/z_27374def.jpg)
Plants were not frozen. :) Albino form really exists. :)
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Olga,
These are amazing finds. The alba form looks very nice. Those tenuifolia with white markings are very unusual. Were the plants of red with white markings found near the white form?
Leon
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Thank you, my dear Olga ;). It is God's truth all you wrote and shown here above on albino form of P. tenuifolia that I grow now at me in the garden :-* :-* :-*
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I am so excited by the photos of the wild peonies that I am practically speechless.. thank goodness my fingers are still working, so I can type! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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I am so excited by the photos of the wild peonies that I am practically speechless.. thank goodness my fingers are still working, so I can type! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Dear Maggi, may be one time you would visit our native Crimea to see Paeonia tenuifolia fields on jajlas and Paeonia daurica in woods 8)
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Dear Olga,
Thank you very much for posting these amazing pictures. Like all the others I can say not that much as I am speechless!
If you have as beautiful pictures of daurica from the Crimea we would be pleased to see them! :-)
Best regards
Lukas
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Dear Olga,
Thank you very much for posting these amazing pictures. Like all the others I can say not that much as I am speechless!
If you have as beautiful pictures of daurica from the Crimea we would be pleased to see them! :-)
Best regards
Lukas
Lukas, I'm not Dear Olga at all, but if you insist I could partially replace her in some issues of Crimean peon pictures. So, please find here below P. daurica from wild Crimea and from my garden. Also I put here more pics of P. tenuifolia in natural habitats in Crimea growing together with Asphodeline taurica. Enjoy! 8)
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Breathtaking pictures, thanks for posting!
Does anyone know a source for the mascula ssp. arietina selection 'Northern Glory'? Lost my own plant this winter, just when it had started getting big :P
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Arisamea :
I grow also P.arietina "Northern Glory" ...I have searched for it many years ...
I have it received from a plantfriend from USA ( swap )
All P.arietina cultivars are difficould to get !
Hans
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Lukas, I am not good in Crimea peonies. I was there only once. I have one P. taurica (I can not wright daurica) but it is too young for blooming.
My dear Oakwood :), think you know what I want to do with your albino tenuifolia. ;) Images of Crimean peonies are breathtaking.
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Lukas, I am not good in Crimea peonies. I was there only once. I have one P. taurica (I can not wright daurica) but it is too young for blooming.
My dear Oakwood :), think you know what I want to do with your albino tenuifolia. ;) Images of Crimean peonies are breathtaking.
My Dearest OlЬga ;D ;D ;D ME TOO!!! what would I DO with my very small and newly acquired albino P. tenuifolia many many times!!!!!! :-* :-* :-*
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Yes! ;D And you have to do it many many times because you have many many friends... :-*
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I join all the others and thank for the wonderful pictures of peony species in their natural habitats, really great to see them! i look at P.daurica pictures with small hearts in my eyes. :)
Olga, what a fantastic picture of all the P. tenuifolia plants. Your large packet of seed was well distributed. I hope....... ;D
I hope there will be more seeds in the future, too. :)
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The existence of P. tenuifolia 'alba' opens up a lot of possibilities. P. tenuifolia 'rosea' has been reported to only spawn red seedlings. However, it seems that 'alba' chould actually bear seeds that potentially would result in white blooming offspring. It will be interesting to find if it does or not.
A few years ago there was batch of seed that came from Will McLewin that was P. tenuifolia 'rubra plena' X P. tenuifolia 'rosea'. One of the resulting seedlings appeared to be P. tenuifolia 'rosea plena'. A photo of that plant is on the HPS website.
(http://www.peonies.org/cultivars/Paeoniatenuifoliaroseaplenaflore.jpg)
If pollen of P. tenuifolia 'alba' is used on 'rubra plena' perhaps the second generation could yield plants of 'alba plena'.
All existing tenuifolia hybrids are red. tenuifolia hybrids using 'alba' pollen could result in hybrids of other colors.
This plant of P. tenuifolia 'alba' opens vast areas of opportunity.
Leon
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mine
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/th_IMG_5541.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/?action=view¤t=IMG_5541.jpg)
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/th_IMG_5544.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/?action=view¤t=IMG_5544.jpg)
and my neighbour's(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/th_IMG_5537.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/?action=view¤t=IMG_5537.jpg)
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Dear Oakwood,
GREAT HABITAT IMAGES! thank you very much!
Are the beautiful P. daurica "forms" you grow in your garden also from wild origin?
Have you got images of wild P. kavachensis, P. caucasica and P. ruprechtiana...all slightly different in the morphology, but all now described under the name of P. daurica subsp. coriifolia?
Dear Arisema,
Whit regard to P. arietina 'Northern Glory' (the one you lost), have you got images of the entire plant...or at least of the leaves? I might have a division for you but I want to be sure to have the right thing.
Matt
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Dear Matt;
Thank you, that would be wonderful! I received it from a good gardening friend years ago, but her garden has since been sold and I suspect the peony is long gone. Does this picture help at all? It was the only one I could find showing parts of the foliage.
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Dear Oakwood,
GREAT HABITAT IMAGES! thank you very much!
Are the beautiful P. daurica "forms" you grow in your garden also from wild origin?
Have you got images of wild P. kavachensis, P. caucasica and P. ruprechtiana...all slightly different in the morphology, but all now described under the name of P. daurica subsp. coriifolia?
Yes, Matt. I'm culturing my P. daurica from Crimea. I haven't the pics of P. kavachensis, P. caucasica and P. ruprechtiana, pity.
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Probably natural hybrid P.wittmaniana x P. caucasica.
(http://cs10142.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/20107304/y_10afd062.jpg)
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thx olga, very interesting!
was the picture taken in the wild?
matt
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matt, picture is taken in my garden 3 years after finding. It's one of two found plants. The second plant photographed in the wild:
(http://cs1252.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/x_586f1c10.jpg)
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great and very interesting pics!
i dont have a great experience with the wittmanniana complex...i am not sure i have ever seen a TRUE wild collected plant.
are the carpels of your plants tomentose (normal wittmanniana) or glabrous (steveniana)?....although some botanist say the populations are "mixed" in the wild and that the hairiness of the carpels is not enough to "create" a species separated from wittmanniana...same as the dimension of the leaves in the case of macrophylla...
however...i read of wild collected wittmanniana (or steveniana) seeds that generated plants with pale pink flowers...so your plants might not be hybrids. was the population from which your plant came mainly with white flowers and only occasionally pink? does caucasica share the same habitat?
may be german hans has seen wild plants...let's see what he has to say!
matt
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matt,
I didn't look at carpels. ::) The only white paeony described for that location is P. wittmaniana. 99.99% of plants in it had pure white flowers
(http://cs1252.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/x_07990ba1.jpg)
P. caucasica does not grow closely to that place. But a couple of kilometers can't stop bees...
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Nice pictures Olga !
Matt : Sorry but I have not visit habitats of P.wittmanniana
It is difficould to say anything without looking the plant in nature - but if Olga confirm that on this place grows only P.wittmaniana so I dont believe that it is a hybrid
Hans
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It COULD be quiet possible just pink form of pure P. wittmanniana, not hybrid. To confirm the hybrid nature of some discussable plant group/race the DNA sequencing MUST be done, not least.
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I have posted some of these elsewhere but can anybody provide names or suggestions?
This one is an old plant I saved from a neglected garden in Oslo 35 years ago:
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These are seedlings, of what? maybe crosses of course ;)
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From China: No1
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No 2
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This one I know: a fortuitous cross and selfsowed plant, progeny of delavayi and lutea!
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To me your third seedling looks like some kind of P.officinalis,
and no2 from China looks very much like my P.obovata ssp willmottiae.
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Here are two unknown Paeonia.
The red is almost twelve inches across.
Found at a friends house in Scituate, MA.
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To me your third seedling looks like some kind of P.officinalis,
and no2 from China looks very much like my P.obovata ssp willmottiae.
Thanks, Leena. Maybe you are right ;D
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Peony season has started in Finland :).
I have grown this P.obovata from seed, and it started to flower a week ago.
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This next is an unknown peony and if anyone could say what it is, I would be so happy.
I got it from a friend, who had bought it ten years ago from market in Tallin, Estonia, as a white form of P.mollis, but it's leaves are different from the P.mollis which is sold here in Finland.
This peony started to flower the same day as P.mlokosewitchii, and also P.mollis opened it's flowers the same day. No hybrids are yet close to flowering here.
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My P.mollis
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Peonies at my friends garden
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Unknown one looks like yours Leena
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Nice peonies, Leena and Olga :)
I have for long given up the naming of peonies in gardens as they cross and you get hybrids ???
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Unknown one looks like yours Leena
Yes, it does! I can't wait for mine to to grow as big. :)
Perhaps they are from the same origin, or same kind of hybrids.
My small P.mlokosewitchii is also flowering now and P.obovata ssp wilmottiae, P.anomala and P.weitchii.
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lucky you "nordeners"!
you have a much longer flowering season (even if it starts later) and very few pest and diseases (especially the nasty fungal ones).
very nice plants & pics, compliments, they seem almost unreal from a place where most of the flowers are already turning "gold" (actually...more realistically i would say yellow and brown!)
matt
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Some great paeonies in the Flowering Now June thread from KK in Ann Arbotr and Magnar... page two of the thread, around here http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7378.msg204007#msg204007
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Maggi,
Thank you for your reference.
Maybe I will post the remaining photos here.
Elfin Pink
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Angello Cobb Freeborn
Edulis Superba
Fortune Teller
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Flag of War
Flag of War
Illini Belle
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Princess Irene
Princess Irene
Richard Carvel
Simmone Chevalier
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That garden with so many fabulous plants is a marvelous place, KK, thanks for showing it to us. I can only imagine the scent on a fine day.... blissful.
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Some paeonies in the weekly Lisse Flower show, pictures from Luit van Delft:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1315.msg204387#msg204387
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The first peregrina is out today.
johnw - in glorious sunshine, 16c.
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1-9 Tree Peony
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Guff, what a great selection... have to pick out "G" as a favourite though... she is beautiful!
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Fantastic flowers :D
Mostly all species is finished flowering. The lactiflora cultivar is just begun flowering.
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Have been looking through all these posts for some info on P californica,but have found nothing,does anybody grow this species.bye Ray
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Ray ,
I have grown earlier P.californica ....they are easy from seed....but after this a lot of problem ( they are wintergrowing ) - much trouble - and not a pretty plant.
I have given up this plant and also P.brownii .... :-\
Hans
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Earlier this year, I was sent some seed - a LOT of seed - of Paeonia tenuifolia, by Olga. As you see below there is already one up (I have 4 pots this size and was able to send some to other seed addicts as well). This one has its first true leaves and when I went to take the photo this morning, I found 2 more breaking through. This seems very soon for germination as I've usually found the root is made in year one and a shoot above the surface in year two. But I'm not complaining. :D
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Lesley ,
it is more or less normal that P.tenuifolia has a quick germination - mostly in the first winter .
Also it is typical that P.tenuifolia has a epigeal germaination - the most other peonies have a hypogeal germination
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigeal
Hans
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Thank you Hans. I'll be looking for more soon then. :)
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That's good news, Lesley.
Our paeonies haven't much chop this year :(
Here's Paeonia cambessedesii in the Rock garden,
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cheers
fermi
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Lesley
I am glad my children are growing up! :-*
I usually use my own fresh not dried seeds and they germinate very well. Sometimes my clients sent dried seeds say they do not germinate after first winter.