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Title: Bulb Log 11/11
Post by: annew on March 16, 2011, 09:56:56 PM
Very much enjoyed the bulb log - especially the narcissi, of course. We need to find out about N. bulbocodium jeanmonodii though. The one I had from Rannveig Wallis looks very different to yours, which looks more like what I have as subsp nivalis - Help!
Title: Re: Bulb Log 11/11
Post by: annew on March 16, 2011, 09:57:27 PM
Just thought, maybe yours hasn't fully expanded yet.
Title: Re: Bulb Log 11/11
Post by: mark smyth on March 16, 2011, 10:05:14 PM
wow it's a beauty
Title: Re: Bulb Log 11/11
Post by: Ian Y on March 17, 2011, 10:33:40 AM
No Anne my Narcissus jeanmonodii is fully expanded that is as big as it gets.

It differs from the ones I grow as nivalis in having flowers that always face upwards.

I have always felt that it is nothing more than a geographical version of nivalis.

The names are so confusing and the plants are well mixed up in cultivation but the flowers are all wonderful - we have masses of Narcissus out at the moment.

Title: Re: Bulb Log 11/11
Post by: Gerry Webster on March 17, 2011, 11:14:26 AM
I think I've finally concluded that they are all just N. bulbocodium (no subsp., no varieties). Likewise with N. romieuxii.
Title: Re: Bulb Log 11/11
Post by: ashley on March 17, 2011, 11:45:31 AM
I'm inclined to agree Gerry, asturiensis too.

Wonderful spring garden and narcissi Ian 8)
Title: Re: Bulb Log 11/11
Post by: annew on March 17, 2011, 02:44:36 PM
It would certainly save a lot of labelling! But we need to distinguish between the different forms, or we won't know, for instance, which parents I'd used in a cross, or which one it was someone wanted a bulb of etc etc.
What we need is a hand-held DNA reader. Or blinkers. 8)
Title: Re: Bulb Log 11/11
Post by: Gerry Webster on March 17, 2011, 04:14:30 PM
Or numbers/letters.
Title: Re: Bulb Log 11/11
Post by: annew on March 17, 2011, 09:20:10 PM
Which is what all my seedlings have, of course. Doesn't really offer much of an idea of what the plant is like though, unless you put the binomial before the numbers, but then we're back to square one!  :-\
Title: Re: Bulb Log 11/11
Post by: Gerry Webster on March 17, 2011, 11:17:15 PM
What is wrong with, say, N. bulbocodium XYZ123? It would give me at least as  good (or bad) an idea of the plant as N. bulbocodium var. conspicuus & would not have a (possibly dubious) botanical significance. No different really to collector's numbers such as N. bulbocodium RRW 8832 which gives me a rough idea of what to expect.
Title: Re: Bulb Log 11/11
Post by: annew on March 18, 2011, 08:06:51 AM
Nothing is wrong with that, I think it's a good idea.
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