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Title: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on January 08, 2011, 05:11:02 PM
My first Hepatica flower for 2011

Hepatica nobilis rubra plena
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on January 08, 2011, 05:40:37 PM
My first Hepatica flower for 2011  Hepatica nobilis rubra plena  

Nice one to start the season, Michael.  It's one I have always found difficult, not sure why.  
Here's my first proper one (not counting odd precocious autumn flowers)

Hepatica "Togen" or is it "Tougen"? apparently means Pink Fountain
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on January 08, 2011, 06:18:22 PM
I won't tell my poor frozen hepaticas in the garden about these photos.... no need to stress them more than is necessary.

I've been following the posts about non- flowering Hepaticas in the Alpine L pages....... for which all sorts of reasons are being put forward.... so far no-one has asked if the owners of the non-flowering types are sure their plants are not floweering at all, or if, as so often happens here, the tiny buds are being devoured by slugs almost before they are visible to the naked eye!  ::)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 08, 2011, 06:43:40 PM
Wow, quite early "birds" you have there Michael and Diane - no signe of Hepatica Flowers here for another few weeks/months I guess...  :-\
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Carlo on January 08, 2011, 08:09:57 PM
Absolutely beautiful Diane!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on January 08, 2011, 09:41:07 PM
I won't tell my poor frozen hepaticas in the garden about these photos.... no need to stress them more than is necessary.

I've been following the posts about non- flowering Hepaticas in the Alpine L pages....... for which all sorts of reasons are being put forward.... so far no-one has asked if the owners of the non-flowering types are sure their plants are not floweering at all, or if, as so often happens here, the tiny buds are being devoured by slugs almost before they are visible to the naked eye!  ::)
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Maggie,I think that you have hit the nail right on the head.I posed the question on the forum two years ago as to what could be damaging the early flowers on my hepaticas but no one suggested that it could be slugs.Having inspected my plants earlier today which are just beginning to awaken from their dormancy I noticed once again that the first flowers have eaten petals and on closer examination the tiny buds in the crown of the plant have been damaged.This accounts for the flowers having damaged flowers when they eventually open.I never thought of slugs but now you have mentioned it I am sure that they are the culprits but it is the tiny babies that are responsible and they are almost invisible.It's not until you handle the pots that you come accross them sometimes clung to the side of the pots and they stick to your hands that you become aware of their presence.The problem is how to attack them ?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on January 08, 2011, 09:56:52 PM
Yes John, I know exactly what you mean about those tiny slugs.... voracious little bandits and no mistake .
For plant in pots I suppose there is no remedy other than pellets or pesticde drenches, but that's not the safest solution( pardon the pun) for all of us.
Where did I read about copper coins being stuck in round the edge of troughs etc recently to deter slugs and snails? Because the culprits may also be retreating under the soil I suppose a few pennies scattered acros the surface might be an idea, too. It could certainly be worth a try... though it will look odd, I know.

 I have been certain for years that we are getting tiny flower buds chewed right away on hepatica in the garden.Utterly infuriating.

It is all too easy for the buds to be long gone before one has even spotted them, especially if the plants are in the open garden and one would have to get right down to examine them closely.  I venture to suggest that not many of us are still able to see s the tiniest growing buds from standing height.... even MY standing height!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on January 08, 2011, 10:23:23 PM
That's why I have to handle the pots Maggie.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on January 08, 2011, 10:27:20 PM
But not everybody would bother too, John.... it's that sort of attention to detail that makes for a better grower.... paying close mind to what is happening with the plants and actually checking them for intruders.... it's a lot of work, but it must pay off (even if you do have some bother) because we've seen your flowring  displays and  they show you are on the  ball!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Olga Bondareva on January 09, 2011, 04:08:01 PM
I won't tell my poor frozen hepaticas in the garden about these photos.... no need to stress them more than is necessary.

Maggi last winter my hepaticas survived -25 2 weeks without snow. Believe in them!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gerry Webster on January 09, 2011, 06:04:41 PM
I too have found that small slugs are responsible for damage to hepaticas in troughs or planted out. Rarely in pots under cover. I've never tried copper coins & I believe there are commercially available copper bands which are said to be deterrents.  I suspect that, just as in the case of grit, ashes & other supposed remedies,  slugs will ignore them.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: annew on January 09, 2011, 07:08:24 PM
Olga, do you have some Hepatica japonica types? I would like to house all my hepaticas in a plunge frame outside, but we were -14C, and I wouldn't want to lose any.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: chris on January 09, 2011, 08:29:28 PM
here I have Hepatica japonica outside the last 5 years and the last 2 years we had winters with -14 and they all survive, I think that you will have problems if they have no good drainage,
here two pics from the first who flowers here, I think it is one of my best red ones grown in pot in the cold greenhouse
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on January 09, 2011, 08:54:38 PM
Chris, that red would be one of anybody's "best" I think..... we love the clear colour and the contrast stamens.
It is heartening to hear of these Heps. surving outside in so many places.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: annew on January 09, 2011, 09:26:02 PM
Thank you, Chris, and what a wonderful red!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 09, 2011, 09:51:41 PM
What an amazing colour Chris !!  :o :o
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gerry Webster on January 09, 2011, 09:53:32 PM
Chris - that is an amazing red.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Olga Bondareva on January 10, 2011, 11:00:06 AM
Anne, yes I have some H. japonica. They all survived that "black frost" and flowered.

(http://cs9807.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/20107304/x_bde576b5.jpg)

(http://cs9282.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/20107304/x_a8d5196c.jpg)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Olga Bondareva on January 10, 2011, 11:00:37 AM
Chris, what outstanding color!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Morgayn on January 11, 2011, 04:42:06 PM
I too have found that small slugs are responsible for damage to hepaticas in troughs or planted out. Rarely in pots under cover. I've never tried copper coins & I believe there are commercially available copper bands which are said to be deterrents.  I suspect that, just as in the case of grit, ashes & other supposed remedies,  slugs will ignore them.

I've used strands of copper wire around individual plants and planters to deter slugs with good success. We have huge leopard slugs here, they measure well over 8" long and make short work of tender plants.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: fermi de Sousa on January 11, 2011, 10:42:07 PM
What an astounding start to the Hep Season! They are virtually impossible here so I have to enjoy them on the Forum or when I visit friends like Otto or Viv in the Dandenongs.
I've heard of the use of the copper coins to deter slugs and probably a lot cheaper than the commercial copper strips or bands - in fact someone else recently remarked that it only costs a few pennies! ::)
 ;D
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on January 11, 2011, 10:58:52 PM
Anne, yes I have some H. japonica. They all survived that "black frost" and flowered.

Olga, I am amazed you have these flowers on hepatica at this time of year, you are so much colder than us - are they outside?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Olga Bondareva on January 12, 2011, 06:37:35 AM
Diane,
Images are made in the May of 2010.  :) That was illustration to Anne's question. Of course now we have a lot of snow and there are no any signs of spring.  :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on January 12, 2011, 10:45:25 AM
I don't know if this has been mentioned already.... but it likely bears repeating... here is a link to an article on Hepatica in trhe RHC Plantsman magazine of December 2010 :
http://www.rhs.org.uk/RHSWebsite/files/d5/d5e2e573-a4e1-4b33-85b0-dbea66dde346.pdf

edit March 25th:

 I've just heard that link no longer works... but this one does:
http://www.rhs.org.uk/Plants/RHS-Publications/Journals/The-Plantsman/2010-issues/December/Hepatica-hybrids

Thanks, Joakim!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Ulla Hansson on January 12, 2011, 11:52:00 AM
Thank you Maggi for the link, I had not seen it before.
 My sister has a plant of Hepatica Maxima, it has survived out there quite a few years.
 It has every winter a Styrofoam box for protection. It is necessary, as it is quite cold, and not always so much snow.
 I have collected seed, will see if they germinate in the spring.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Natalia on January 13, 2011, 07:03:58 PM
At us a blizzard also promise that the temperature will fall to-18, and here show what magnificent Hepatica now blossom!

 Chris - surprising colour!!

 At me in the winter in a new garden the biggest harm is brought by rodents - mice and полевки. Last year they rejoicing to new plants have eaten all flowers at wintered Hepatica. And at Hepatica japonica have eaten completely, there were only the most thin backs. :(

Maggie, thanks for the interesting link!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on January 13, 2011, 07:55:19 PM
Concerning slug damage,these pictures illustrate the type of damage to be aware of.While I was at it I thought you might like to see these earlybirds

Supernova
Transyllvanica alba
Japonica alba
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: ashley on January 13, 2011, 09:00:49 PM
What beauties John 8)

In my experience slugs gnaw petals rather randomly but woodlice nibble them inward from the apex in a more regular pattern (violas being their particular favourites here).
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunilla on January 13, 2011, 09:21:16 PM
What a shame the slugs and mice like hepatica as much as we do :(.  I hope they don't find my plants deep under snow.
Chris, your red flower is gorgeous. I have never seen anything like it.
So many lovely pics already in this thread. It must be nice to have hepatica in flower this time of year.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: annew on January 14, 2011, 04:32:55 PM
John, that is a lovely white transylvanica - good solid flowers.
I think this has been covered before, but what is the accepted wisdom - to remove old leaves or not?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on January 14, 2011, 08:04:49 PM
You are right Anne this has been covered on several occasions and there isn't a definitive answer.Personally I favour the removal of the leaves as I consider that they detract from the floral display,and if their are a lot of leave as in some vars.the stems of the flowers become distorted and elongated as they strive to emerge through the leaf cover.Each year I resolve to leave the leaves on but by the time of flowering they are beginning to look quite tatty and one by one they get removed.There are one or two exceptions but by and large I remove almost all the leaves.Chris would say that the japanese would never show a plant without its leaves but from what I have seen of their shows in photographs they seem to be showing small plants with minimal noses that don't produce many leaves anyway and are therefore are not such a great detraction.They seem to be more interested in the individual perfection of a single flower than an abundance of flowers which is my preference.Everyone perfect of course!!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: annew on January 16, 2011, 02:38:38 PM
Thanks, John.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on January 16, 2011, 08:17:18 PM
just a few Hep jap in flower too
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 16, 2011, 09:54:32 PM
Hepaticas surely seem to be waking up for Spring !  ;D
Very nice series Gerhard !!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Kenneth on January 17, 2011, 07:31:16 PM
Gerhard, what a wonderfull H. Japonica flowers  :) I'm really looking forward to spring now! Thanks!

I think these plants are more hardy, than first expected. I have started to plant them straight in the
grown now, and it seems like they are fine with it ! Last winter we had - 30 C for many weeks, but
here in Norway we have great snow cover though ( and no snails in the winter to eat our plants) :)

Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on January 17, 2011, 07:58:53 PM
Hi Kenneth,
 welcome to the Forum!
Just having a little cry here.... :'(   .... still too many hungry slugs and snails to eat our plants.... even in the winter.  :(

Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on January 19, 2011, 08:00:07 PM
Gerhard, what a wonderfull H. Japonica flowers  :) I'm really looking forward to spring now! Thanks!

I think these plants are more hardy, than first expected. I have started to plant them straight in the
grown now, and it seems like they are fine with it ! Last winter we had - 30 C for many weeks, but
here in Norway we have great snow cover though ( and no snails in the winter to eat our plants) :)



Yes, japanese Hepatica are hardy, but only with protection for moisture. In nature they are covered with snow, and there is only a short time of snow melting , when soil contain more moisture. Now winter is back, so it `ll need some time for the next blooms....
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on January 23, 2011, 05:21:18 PM
just a few picts from glasshouse

at the moment there is only one hour sun on the glasshouse No. 2 , to few to get good picts of all flowering plants....
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on January 23, 2011, 08:39:17 PM
Hepatica maxima doesn't get much exposure and I must admit that I wasn't attracted to it at first, but after seeing a fine plant of it at Ashwoods a few years ago I decided to give it a go.It dosn't have the same charm as the japonicas,being more of a wallflower than a peacock but it does have its attractions with the fine large foliage retained in good condition right up to the new glossy green foliage emerging at the same time as the flowers which are dominated by the particularly large stamens.
The first picture shows the plant with the old leaves still intact,the second showing the emergence of the new leaves and the third illustrates the disproportionate stamens in relation to the flower.
The last picture is one of my jaonica seedlings flowering for the first time.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Natalia on January 24, 2011, 07:40:46 AM
johngennard, the last photo - your seedling from Hepatica maxima?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on January 24, 2011, 10:25:21 AM
Thanks Natalia,I have corrected the text to read japonica seedling.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Natalia on January 25, 2011, 06:18:36 PM
johngennard, read that Hepatica maxima - the best pollinator for Japanese pechenochnits. Is it really so?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on January 25, 2011, 07:12:01 PM
Sorry Natalia I have never heard of pechenochnits,perhaps Maggie can throw some light on to it or Dianne.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Natalia on January 25, 2011, 07:51:12 PM
Sorry  johngennard, I wrote the name Hepatica japonica in Russian with English letters ...:)

 Hepatica - pechenochnitsa ...  :D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on January 25, 2011, 08:22:38 PM
Sorry Natalia I have never heard of pechenochnits,perhaps Maggie can throw some light on to it or Dianne.   

Not me, I have never heard this word.  Natalia, are you saying it means Hepatica japonica?  So are you asking if H japonica is a good pollinator for H maxima? 

I think that John Massey of Ashwood Nursery has tried to hybridise every species with H maxima.  I think he has had very good success with some species and I hope that some of the plants will be available this year for sale.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gerry Webster on January 26, 2011, 04:35:17 PM
I received the Spring catalogue from 'Rare Plants' this morning. I was delighted to learn that I can buy both 'Mangekyou'  & 'Yaegoromo' for a mere £395.00 each.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: fleurbleue on January 26, 2011, 05:06:16 PM
A very good news  ;D !!!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Natalia on January 26, 2011, 06:08:34 PM
Diane, thank you.


So are you asking if H japonica is a good pollinator for H maxima? 

 Not quite true, I read that Hepatica maxima is a very good pollinator for Hepatica japonica. I'm curious - is this true?

Pechenochnitsa - this is a relatively accurate transcription of Russian names Hepatica nobilis. :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on January 26, 2011, 08:06:52 PM
I received the Spring catalogue from 'Rare Plants' this morning. I was delighted to learn that I can buy both 'Mangekyou'  & 'Yaegoromo' for a mere £395.00 each.

Got my catalogue this morning as well. I was so disappointed when I saw the prices of all the lovely Hepaticas I would love to have  :'(. Oh well I will keep doing the lottery and hopefully on day I might win enough money that I won't care how much these lovely little plants would cost. ::) ::)

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Graham Catlow on January 28, 2011, 09:46:31 PM
Hi
Edrom Nurseries have a sale on their Hepatica japonica's. There seems to be some big discounts, and discounts for quantity purchases.

http://www.edrom-nurseries.co.uk/shop/pc/Japanese-Hepaticas-c24.htm

Apologies if this is too much for you to resist.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Martin Baxendale on January 29, 2011, 02:20:13 PM
Does anyone know if the Japanese hepaticas hybridise readily with the European H. nobilis?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 29, 2011, 03:55:47 PM
Even the "common" Hepatica nobilis can be so attractive on a cold January day..   :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on January 29, 2011, 04:09:03 PM
It can too Luc.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 30, 2011, 07:14:25 AM

Pechenochnitsa - this is a relatively accurate transcription of Russian names Hepatica nobilis. :)

I very well know Russian (better than English), but even then I didn't recognise that it means Hepatica before you explained.
Janis
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Hoy on January 30, 2011, 08:58:58 AM

Pechenochnitsa - this is a relatively accurate transcription of Russian names Hepatica nobilis. :)

I very well know Russian (better than English), but even then I didn't recognise that it means Hepatica before you explained.
Janis
How about your Norwegian, Janis? Do you know what "blåveis" is?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Natalia on January 30, 2011, 10:34:07 AM

Janis, to you as to the biologist, Latin names are much closer. :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: YT on January 31, 2011, 02:28:55 PM
Here are links to one of the top Japanese Hepatica breeder's photo albums. If you've already known these, please excuse me ;)

Click the pictures on pages to enlarge or go to next pages

Sen-e-zaki (full double)
http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~sainohana/newpage3.htm

San-dan-zaki (green centred full double)
http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~sainohana/newpage30.htm

Ni-dan-zaki, Kara-ko-zaki, Nichi-rin-zaki, Yoh-sei-zaki, (semi double variations)
http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~sainohana/newpage5.htm

Hyo-jun-ka, Oto-me-zaki (single and stamen-less)
http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~sainohana/newpage6.htm

A sort of new seedlings
http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~sainohana/newpage2.htm
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: fleurbleue on January 31, 2011, 02:51:39 PM
Thank you YT for all these jems  ;) a nice moment  :D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: annew on January 31, 2011, 02:52:15 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on January 31, 2011, 04:02:52 PM
Thanks for that YT.All transferred to MY FAVOURITES BAR but how do I get closer other than a trip to Japan ?I was about to post my latest images but after seeing those I'm in a daze.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on January 31, 2011, 07:34:01 PM
I did in fact post my pix but the post seems to have got lost in the stratosphere so here goes with today's pictures,possible due to a long period of warm sunshine in spite of the low temperature outside after -4 overnight.

1.  Hepatica japonica "Saichou"
2.        "           "           "        (close-up)
3.        "      yamatutai
4.        "     japonica "Benikanzan"
5.        "     nobilis alba
6.        "     pubescens (ex."Tenginbai")
7.        "     japonica raised from seed but the purest of white with pure white stamens and very light green stems and foliage
8.        "          "         "        "     " close-up showing the purity of white stamens
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on January 31, 2011, 07:38:43 PM
The pix sem to have got lost.I'll try again.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on January 31, 2011, 07:50:20 PM
Superb yamatutoi, John (and the others, just that seemed extra special).  None of mine are anywhere near this state yet.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on January 31, 2011, 07:55:58 PM
Superb is the word.

John, the Forum is experiencing problems due to server pressure at various times of the day. Maggi and the Team are aware and are trying to resolve it.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on January 31, 2011, 08:49:29 PM
Thanks for that David,I was beginning to wonder whether it was me.

Dianne, the great majority of mine are some way off flowering,it is strange how they vary so much but it does help to spread the season out.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on January 31, 2011, 10:56:43 PM
Wow those Hepaticas are beautiful.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on January 31, 2011, 11:18:43 PM
John, many thanks for bearing with the server snags and posting these glorious photos.
What a collection you have and how much we appreciate you sharing it with us.  8)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Natalia on February 01, 2011, 07:48:12 AM
John, thanks for the beauty!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 01, 2011, 08:31:27 AM
Super plants once again John !!
Looking forward to many more as the season gets going !  ;)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: annew on February 01, 2011, 09:48:00 AM
Really beautiful, John. All my hepaticas are still asleep!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: YT on February 01, 2011, 11:47:46 AM
Thanks for that YT.All transferred to MY FAVOURITES BAR but how do I get closer other than a trip to Japan ?I was about to post my latest images but after seeing those I'm in a daze.

John, I only meant that to share those pictures with you and forum members. Please excuse me if you felt any negative aims by my previous post. I’m enjoying your hepatica pictures as well :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: chris on February 01, 2011, 08:17:42 PM
beautiful plants John, here is my H.pubescense and another beauty
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: chris on February 01, 2011, 08:44:27 PM
today I took a photo to show that with doubles somtimes there are more than 3 bracts, here 6, it was only on the computer I saw that it was a double purple one, the centre is only 2mm wide
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 01, 2011, 10:57:30 PM
More sunshine today,

Hepatica nobilis pink
Hepatica nobilis pink
Hepatica Japonica pink
Hepatica nobilis pyrenaica snowstorm
Hepatica nobilis blue
Hepatica transsilvanica
Hepatica japonica Sakuragari
Hepatica japonica Sakuragari
Hepatica transsilvanica Mrs Elison Spence
Hepatica japonica Akane
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on February 02, 2011, 08:42:49 AM
Lovely sunshines Michael...love your pyrenaica snowstorm, the leaves are so lovely.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 02, 2011, 01:36:25 PM
Wonderful display Michael !!  ;D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Natalia on February 02, 2011, 03:02:08 PM
Сhris as it is interesting, on this plant all flowers such: having it is more 3 bracts and the extended centre?

Michael, all are fine, but Hepatica nobilis pyrenaica snowstorm - simply delight!


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Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: ichristie on February 02, 2011, 10:05:59 PM
Hi all, thanks for the superb pictures, I can hardly believe that you have so many flowers, ever under cover here we have not one showing any life yet.  I have a special request from my friend John Massey at Ashwood nursery has anyone got contacts in Scandinavia for Hepatica nobilis Gullmaj and H. nobilis Asker? it would be great to help John,  cheers Ian the Christie kind
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Paul T on February 03, 2011, 11:07:34 AM
Spectacular pics, everyone.  Some of the colours are amazing.  And those beautiful striped ones.  :o  Thanks so much for showing us your treasures, particularly Michael and John. 8)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on February 06, 2011, 09:02:56 PM
My hepaticas are just starting to move with the extra warmth we've had this week
this is H japonica Ryougetsu
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on February 06, 2011, 09:07:28 PM
and this one, no name, I call it 40B  ;D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on February 06, 2011, 09:22:40 PM
Dianne,nice to see you at Loughborough yesterday and nice photos.I like Ryougetsu very much and your photo. makes me pleased that I bought it from Edrom yesterday.Now that yours are flowering I look forward to seeing more from you.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on February 06, 2011, 09:25:14 PM
Diane love your H japonica Ryougetsu, it's a real beauty.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on February 06, 2011, 09:44:33 PM
I was pleased to find this colour variation amonst a 3ltr. pot of 3yr.old seedlings.Compare it to my last post of 'Tenginbai'.
The next one is a media hybrid 'Supernova' and finally Yamatutai at its peak.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on February 06, 2011, 10:04:56 PM
Dianne,nice to see you at Loughborough yesterday and nice photos.I like Ryougetsu very much and your photo. makes me pleased that I bought it from Edrom yesterday.Now that yours are flowering I look forward to seeing more from you. 

Yes, good to see you, John.  My Ryougetsu came from Edrom last year and it's a very vigorous plant.  Yes, there's lots more to come.  Your yamatutoi is fantastic, mine are barely above the ground although they are sometimes first up. 
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on February 07, 2011, 09:01:28 PM
A few more,courtesy of a warm sunny day in spite of gale-force winds outside.

1.  Japonica 'Oriheme'
2.       "           "         close-up
3.       "      'Hohobeni'
4.       "           "            "      "
5.       "      Un-named seedling
6.  Nobilois  pyrenaica
7.       "           "
8.       "           "       Appleblossom
9.       "           "              "            2   
  
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on February 07, 2011, 09:04:59 PM
Sorry! I made a duplication and don't know how to rectify so here is no.10
 Hepatica japonica alba
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on February 07, 2011, 09:10:52 PM
John , what a display... you do have Spring  to enjoy with these plants.  8)

 I've removed your duplicate for you.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on February 07, 2011, 09:20:53 PM
Many thanks Maggie.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 07, 2011, 10:19:05 PM
Wonderful display John !!... and it's probably just the start...  ::)
Hohobeni is a gorgeous colour !
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: fleurbleue on February 07, 2011, 10:31:39 PM
H. pyrenaica Apple Blossom is so cute John  ::)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Paul T on February 08, 2011, 04:09:49 AM
Stunning!  I particularly like Ryougetsu and Hohobeni.  Glorious!!!!! :o
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 09, 2011, 09:50:27 PM
A few for today.

Hepatica japonica x 2
Hepatica nobilis x 2
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on February 09, 2011, 09:57:25 PM
Good grief, Michael, that dark purple is glorious!  Rich velvet perfection.


 Today I spotted the very first wee dots of colour on the Hepatica buds in the garden. :D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 10, 2011, 03:00:59 AM
Good grief, Michael, that dark purple is glorious!  Rich velvet perfection.


This is why Michael is the Forum's "Mr Amazing"! Great stuff!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on February 10, 2011, 08:12:37 AM
Michael they are so lovely. I can imagine getting hooked on them  ;D

Mine to Maggi are just starting to show the flowers, can't wait.
Maybe they might have for sale at the early bulb show at Dunblane, if so I can see me buying some.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Natalia on February 10, 2011, 08:55:16 AM
Purple Hepatica - the most beautiful .. :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 10, 2011, 09:19:13 AM
They're looking great Michael !!  ;)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunhild Poulsen on February 10, 2011, 04:19:49 PM
Just back after a wonderful month in New Zealand, I see some of my Hepatica are flowering – old plants as well as seedlings – what a pleasure. The Senne type is ‘Daisetsurei’, the yellow is ‘Kiou’, the white with red tips is ‘Benitsubasa’ and the white and blue is ‘Minamoto’.
Let’s hope for a good Hepatica year.
Gunhild
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on February 10, 2011, 04:43:12 PM
Welcome "home" Gunhild, good to have you back.  Everyone visiting New Zealand seems to have a marvelous time.... glad to hear you did  so too.
A great welcome home to have your Hepaticas greet you with their flowers.
The yellow 'Kiou' is extraordinary! Thanks for sharing the pictures.  8)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 10, 2011, 05:05:11 PM
Fabulous flowers Gunhild !
What a welcome home they gave you !!  :D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on February 10, 2011, 07:15:59 PM
out of japan import 2010, more will follow
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 10, 2011, 08:32:56 PM
Just three today.

Hepatica nobilis rubra plena
Hepatica green typical
Hepatica japonica pink.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: fleurbleue on February 10, 2011, 08:36:52 PM
How many Hepatica do you grow Gunhild and Michael ?  :D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on February 10, 2011, 08:39:10 PM
Michael love that green one  8)

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 10, 2011, 08:57:08 PM
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How many Hepatica do you grow Gunhild and Michael ?

I grow all I can get my hands on, I beg and Barter anywhere  I can.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: fleurbleue on February 10, 2011, 09:24:19 PM
 ;D  ;D  ;D ....  ;)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Natalia on February 11, 2011, 07:58:18 AM
Gunhild, congratulations on the excellent Hepatica - Daisetsurei Beauty and Kiou - gorgeous rare color! :)

Gerhard, very mysterious Hepatica!

 Michael - what a great Hepatica viridiflora! I'm smitten to death!  :o
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 11, 2011, 04:00:55 PM
Hepatica  Japonica  Kosino maboroshi
Hepatica  Japonica Hohobeni
Hepatica  Japonica Anjyu
Hepatica  Japonica Toki
Hepatica  Japonica Shikouden
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on February 11, 2011, 04:07:32 PM
Michael J Campbell... now tell the truth... you have a giant Sun Ray Lamp in  your garden, don't you? :o


Loving the flowers  in all the forum from lucky souls with better weather than we have here!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 11, 2011, 04:14:31 PM
No Maggi, we just have an early spring. Temperatures went from -7C or 8C to + 10C in a couple of days and it has been like that for three weeks now. It might all end in tears if we get another cold snap, much toooooooooo early for spring.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: WimB on February 11, 2011, 04:15:05 PM
Gunhild and Michael,

Wow...just WOW  :o :o :o :o

Thanks for showing  :-*
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 11, 2011, 04:38:58 PM
 :o :o :o  Michael, ... I'm lost for words...  :o

Kosino maboroshi looks like it's hand made (by an excellent craftsman that is... !)
Unbelievable !
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Graham Catlow on February 11, 2011, 06:11:35 PM
All just stunning :D but the deep purple one from a couple of days ago is amazing :o
It would be easy to get hooked by these, but I must refrain.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunhild Poulsen on February 11, 2011, 07:38:24 PM
Nicole -
In my greenhouse I grow around 400 different named or numbered japonica, and around 100 different named or numbered nobilis, transsilvanica and others. I don’t know how many Hepatica I grow in my garden – but I suppose there are more than in the greenhouse – nobilis as well as japonica. Every year I grow a lot from seeds, and sometimes I’m lucky to create a good form.
Gunhild
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunilla on February 11, 2011, 08:46:18 PM
Wow! I feel intoxicated  8). Michael and Gunhild, your amazing hepatica flowers bring sunshine to me. 
I had the pleasure to visit Gunhild last spring and can assure you, she grows a lot of hepaticas  ;D and her garden is wonderful.   
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: fleurbleue on February 11, 2011, 08:54:23 PM
Gunhild, it's a pity you are so far from Lyon  :'( 
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Casalima on February 11, 2011, 09:17:16 PM
These Hepatica are all so very wonderful!!  Congratulations to all of you!
I just gaze and sigh ...
(though of course many Hepatica growers might gaze and sigh at what can be grown in the region I live in - some of the gardener's grass is so often greener elsewhere :D).
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Yann on February 13, 2011, 09:16:15 PM
Stunning Hepatica, i'll ask Santa claus to bring me these gorgious plants.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: kalle-k.dk on February 14, 2011, 07:34:09 AM
After a cold November and December, January was like spring here in Denmark. Now it is cold again :'( so it is good we can see our Hepatica in the greenhouse. We have insulated the greenhouse with bubble plastic and mineral wool and warm it up to +2 degrees with a heater, so it is like spring in there. It is almost Hepatica we grow in the greenhouse and a lot of them got big buds and a few got also flowers. We grow them in 10 cm. high pots on tables and 5 cm. of the pots stay in fine gravel. The soil we use is well drained peat.
For two years ago we bought Hepatica nobilis var. japonica ‘Nozakuya’ because it has a green and not a typical flower. So last year we was a little bit disappointed because all flowers was more pink than green. This year got the plant the right filled green flowers, but also a few pink filled flowers.
Thank you all for the picture of the beautiful flowers, it feels good to see them here in the cold Denmark.

Gunda & Kalle,
Denmark
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Magnar on February 14, 2011, 07:41:22 AM
Fantastic plants, Thanks a lot for showing :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on February 14, 2011, 11:59:06 AM
Gunda and Kalle, you must be very happy that you can have those flowers in your greenhouse ..... it will be cold for a long time yet outside for you folks.

There is still a lot of winter to be endured for a great many Forumists.... it is so good to be able to share those with glimpses of Spring.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: annew on February 14, 2011, 12:20:00 PM
It is very good to learn of the way you grow your hepaticas too.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: kalle-k.dk on February 14, 2011, 04:15:08 PM
We grow mostly all our Hepatica japonica and the other Asian species such as Hepatica Yamatutai in 10 cm. tall pots. They stand on tables in 5 cm. gravel. The Soil in the pots is nutritious peat with P.H. 5.5-6.5 mixed with perlite and cat litter so the soil is well drained.

We use a long-acting fertilizer grain called Osmocote http://www.substral.dk/Substral/Osmocote.aspx

We fertilize them with Osmocote early March and only once a year. We spray the leaves with Superthrive every second week until autumn. http://www.superthrive.com/freetrial.html 

We watered them as needed and we remove old leaves when they have faded.

The greenhouse is shaded at summer from May to November.
We repot them in August and here we cut 1/3 of the roots away.

We cross and pollinate them and the seeds most sown fresh / green. We use the same soil mix and cover the seeds lightly. Mostly all seeds placed outside in a shaded frame. We prick the small seed plants when they get the first right leaf and we start in March. They been also fertilize with Osmocote.

Gunda & Kalle,
Denmark
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 14, 2011, 07:34:51 PM
Just three today, thanks Karl.

Hepatica  Japonica Kuukai.
Hepatica   Japonica Purple nidan saki,
Hepatica  Japonica Tosen. sorry this one is a little out of focus.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunilla on February 15, 2011, 01:20:53 PM
Kalle and Gunda, I read your posts with great interest. I have so much to learn about growing hepatica.

It's very cold outside and I had to bring this H. japonica indoors just to have something nice to look at.  It came as a surprise to me that it has a pleasant scent, something I haven't noticed in any Hepatica before.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 15, 2011, 01:56:28 PM
Amazing pictures Gunilla, Michael and Kalle !!  :D :D

Here, my hybrid of Hepatica pyrenaica x japonica is coming in full flower !!  :D :D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on February 15, 2011, 02:01:18 PM
The point about scent from Hepaticas is not one I have noted before.
That's a fine specimen you have there, Luc.... certainly big enough to be showing fragrance  if it has any..... a report, please?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 15, 2011, 02:47:32 PM
Sorry Maggi, no scent I'm afraid..  :-\
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunilla on February 15, 2011, 03:02:13 PM
Wow Luc, there must be hundreds of flowers in that pot and everyone of them a little beauty  :). 
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on February 15, 2011, 03:27:21 PM
Sorry Maggi, no scent I'm afraid..  :-\
Hmm... maybe just scent on pure japonica?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on February 15, 2011, 03:42:16 PM
Amazing pictures Gunilla, Michael and Kalle !!  :D :D

Here, my hybrid of Hepatica pyrenaica x japonica is coming in full flower !!  :D :D

WOWEE!! That's surely Farrer standard. You have excelled yourself Mr G. ;D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on February 15, 2011, 03:45:43 PM
Amazing pictures Gunilla, Michael and Kalle !!  :D :D

Here, my hybrid of Hepatica pyrenaica x japonica is coming in full flower !!  :D :D

WOWEE!! That's surely Farrer standard. You have excelled yourself Mr G. ;D
I was thinking "Forrest" myself!  ;)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on February 15, 2011, 04:06:07 PM
Both ;D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 15, 2011, 04:07:20 PM
 :-[ :-[ :-[  ;)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on February 15, 2011, 04:17:32 PM
Both ;D

 Well, you know, for the best plant at the Alpines 2011 Conference show, that plant will win its grower both a Farrer and a Forrest Medal..... something to think about.......  sadly  the Hepaticas are likely to be all over by April  but  someone will surely have some gorgeous plant to WOW us with and get the two medals at once...... 8)


http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6069.0;attach=262161
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: kalle-k.dk on February 15, 2011, 05:41:02 PM
Michael, Gunilla och Luc, I must say GREAT plants.
Michael, It's good to see they grow well and they got a good home with a man who loves Hepatica as I do ;D

Gunilla; I have tried if I can find description of they got scent, but no luck. I never noticed they have a scent. I found a funny description of a Norwegian Hepatica book; It is widely known that it is ant that spread the seed. In Norway, a child's play to keep a Hepatica flower over an anthill. Urine from ants get the flower to change color from blue to red.

We got also a few plants in a cold window indside, and today I took a picture of one of them.

Gunda & Kalle,
Denmark
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunilla on February 15, 2011, 06:13:58 PM
A lovely pyrenaica.   I think we have to ask Gunhild about the fragrance because I bought this japonica from her last spring.
My husband sends his regards to you, Kalle and Gunda. He was so impressed with your garden (I was too) and keeps saying I ought to grow more Trillium  8).  Easy for him to say  ::).
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: kalle-k.dk on February 15, 2011, 07:04:32 PM
Hi Gunilla. You can greet your husband from us, maybe you can get him to collect Trillium  ;D
You are welcome to join us a second time.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 15, 2011, 07:20:57 PM
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Here, my hybrid of Hepatica pyrenaica x japonica is coming in full flower !!   

Luc,that is a cracker.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on February 15, 2011, 08:58:12 PM
A super plant Luc,as good as any named variety.You cannot beat simplicity so why do we all crave the fancy doubles,including myself ?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: chris on February 15, 2011, 09:00:43 PM
here a lot of plants are flowering now, here a pic from 3 flowers of H.jap.'Saischou' and pics of my yellow H.jap.Mandara'


 Edit by Maggi: resized photos shown
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunhild Poulsen on February 15, 2011, 09:34:46 PM
Gunilla you ask about fragrant Hepatica. I understand you got such one from me last year, and yes some Hepatica have a pleasant scent.
Last year I got this pyrenaica which should be fragrant. I have only seen the flower one time late last summer, and because of this late flowering I’m not sure of the fragrant until now.
Anyway some Hepatica are fragrant.

More and more Hepatica in the greenhouse are now flowering even it is frost and today a lot of snow.
I really hope it is the death agony of winter, and I'm sure I share this hope with all of you.

Gunhild
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on February 15, 2011, 09:48:32 PM
Gunhild, thanks for this information.... I am sure there were quite a few of us who had no idea of scent in Hepaticas.
And more fine flowers...... very striking..... who could resist any of them?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on February 16, 2011, 11:47:26 AM
Gunhild, it a wet dull day here again. So thanks for brightening up my day. That last Hepatica is lovely.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on February 16, 2011, 02:08:19 PM
Does anyone find their hepatica flower stems start off upright but then as the flowers mature the stems bend down so the flowers end up facing the surface the pot is standing on?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on February 16, 2011, 02:20:14 PM
Does anyone find their hepatica flower stems start off upright but then as the flowers mature the stems bend down so the flowers end up facing the surface the pot is standing on?

Mine does but that is because they have been hammered by driving rain for so long. They are a bit like me soaked to the skin sometimes.
Hope someone else comes up with a better answer for you. ;D

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on February 16, 2011, 02:45:56 PM
Hi Angie, mine are grown under glass in pots. The flowers eventually hang over the edge of the flower pot even though they are still lovely.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on February 16, 2011, 03:23:43 PM
I think I will source some nice Hepatica plants out and pot them up. Then at least I can enjoy their lovely flowers in a dry place. Me and the plant both dry  ;D It will be interesting to see what other members have to say.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on February 16, 2011, 04:06:47 PM
You wont go far wrong with Edrom Nurseries Angie. They send out lovely multi nosed plants.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on February 16, 2011, 04:14:54 PM
Yes they are a really good. And not too far away either. I got the early bulb day at Dunblane on Saturday so maybe might get some there. That's if we get there just seen the weather forecast and they are saying snow for Saturday for us. :'(

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Peter Maguire on February 16, 2011, 05:04:34 PM
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Does anyone find their hepatica flower stems start off upright but then as the flowers mature the stems bend down so the flowers end up facing the surface the pot is standing on?

Mike, I find that some of the japonicas do this, it seems to be a characteristic of some varieties. You can never tell from the pictures on the nursery websites as they generally only show one flower. I think that it's something you just have to live with as far as japonicas are concerned. It does help if you cut all the old leaves off just before the flower buds open, otherwise the flower stems get a bit elongated looking for some light and are more prone to flopping over.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: ChrisB on February 16, 2011, 08:12:03 PM
Michael,  whats the secret to getting lots of flower on your hepaticas please?  Is it that you've had them a long time or the soil or keeping them in pots or what?  I've got one of those double pinks, rubra plena I think, its a good sized clump but not nearly as many flowers as you manage.  Any hints and tips much appreciated...
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 16, 2011, 09:56:26 PM
Chris,I keep them in pots and feed them when they are making new growth. They also need all the sunshine  available from October until April, then they are removed to a north facing frame with no direct sunshine but with overhead protection.  They are potted in JI no 3 with perlite and grit, but not too much ,as they like a heavy compost but not too wet, which is why I keep them covered to control moisture levels.

That is how I do it, others probably use different methods and different composts.

Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on February 17, 2011, 10:43:24 AM
Chris, thanks for asking that question. I also wandered how Michael looked after his plants. Gives us all a better idea how to get our Hepaticas to flower.

Thanks Michael.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunhild Poulsen on February 17, 2011, 04:53:41 PM
Mavers tell about stems bending down when matured, and I must say I have the same experience. When I place the small bags (to catch the seeds), the stems almost always bend down – what ever it is japonica or nobilis. It is natural for the plant because the seeds then will drop down in the soil besides the “mother” and not in the middle of the “mother” where they will not be able to sprout.

I don’t give my Hepatica in the greenhouse full sunshine in the winter, because they then will start growing too early, and I will have a problem if we get hard frost, when thinking of pollination/seeds.
Of course it must depend of how hard the winter is where one live.
In Japan Hepatica are in nature covered with snow from around November to March, and then they get sunshine untill the threes come out and provide shade.
Gunhild
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 17, 2011, 09:55:38 PM
A nice blue Hepatica nobilis.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 17, 2011, 10:11:36 PM
Looking great Michael and your camera seems to capture the blue really well !!  :D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on February 17, 2011, 10:15:10 PM
A nice blue Hepatica nobilis.
Superb!!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 17, 2011, 10:27:54 PM
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Looking great Michael and your camera seems to capture the blue really well !!  Cheesy

Luc, you don't know about the other six pics that it didn't get right and were deleted.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: ChrisB on February 17, 2011, 10:45:34 PM
Thanks Michael and everyone else for the tips.  I shall try this to see if my flowering improves next year....
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunhild Poulsen on February 18, 2011, 09:03:19 AM
Great Michael it is a wonderful blue nobilis, and please be aware of the blue anthers, mostly nobilis has white anthers, opposite japonica which mostly has coloured.
I’m happy to hear that I’m not the only one having problems with taking photos of blue plants. But I find violet even more difficult. Does anyone have the same problems as me, and does anyone have a good idea to solve this problem? 
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 18, 2011, 10:23:31 AM
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Looking great Michael and your camera seems to capture the blue really well !!  Cheesy

Luc, you don't know about the other six pics that it didn't get right and were deleted.

Patience pays off Michael !  ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 18, 2011, 10:33:52 AM
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please be aware of the blue anthers, mostly nobilis has white anthers, opposite japonica which mostly has coloured.

The original plant came from Ashwood nursery clearly labeled a nobilis. ::)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on February 18, 2011, 10:50:22 AM
Hello Peter thanks for the information, it is a shame such beautiful flowers hang their heads. I always cut the foliage back just prior to flowering. I left it on one year to see if the old leaves would support the flower stems, they didn't & the flowers looked a right mess after finding their way through them......a lesson learned.

I thought it was my camera at fault for not photographing blues & violets well, seems that others find this with their own cameras......one reason I haven't posted any pictures of my modest collection.

Michael what do you feed your hepaticas?

Also you say you use a heavy mix of compost, do you mean a more loam based mix rather than lots of humus that some growers recommend?

Can anyone recommend other hepatica suppliers?

Mike
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 18, 2011, 11:21:00 AM
Mike, I feed them miracle-grow for the first  three weeks to get them going then switch to tomato feed every two weeks, and I don't feed them in June ,July or August.
Yes I use a heavy loamy soil, JI. no 3 which is of a different consistency depending on the producer. This holds the moisture better in the summer when they don't like to dry out.  Don't depend too much on what I say as others probably do the opposite to what I am doing with equal success. My brother grows everything in soiless compost with great success, while I would struggle to get anything to grow in it. Depends on what you are used to and your climatic conditions, and if you have cover for the plants.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on February 18, 2011, 11:52:58 AM
Thanks for this information Michael.

I use clay long tom pots & grow the hepaticas in my greenhouse. Do you use clay or plastic pots?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 18, 2011, 12:45:13 PM
I use the plastic rose pots for mature plants and 9cm square pots for young plants, 6cm pots for potting on seedlings. I would never be able to keep clay pots from drying out.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunhild Poulsen on February 18, 2011, 02:54:04 PM
I agree with Michael about the pots, it is much easier to keep the plants moist when using plastic pots.
My soil for japonica is a mix of sphagnum, grit and Perlite, and for nobilis I add some soil from the wood to this mix. The soil for japonica doesn’t contain any fertilise at all, so I use a long lasting fertilise called Osmocote. It is active in 3 month. It is easy to use, because one can’t give too much, this fertilise never hurt the plant. I give this every spring in March and then nothing before July after the receipt below (I know the receipt say June but because of my 3-month lasting Osmocode I wait until July).
Besides I give SuperThrive around every second week.
As seen in this forum there are different ways to grow Hepatica, and probably no one can say which is the “right”. Anyway the important thing is to find the balance of moist/but not too much, drain but still moist and proper fertilise.

From a Japanese friend and breeder I have received the following:
“Nitrogen promotes the development of leaves and seeds.
Phosphate promotes the development of new buds.
Potassium promotes the development of new roots.   
In the spring months from March to May develops leaves, seeds and roots – ergo gives fertilizer containing high nitrogen and potassium.
In June develops new buds – ergo gives fertilizer containing high phosphate.
In July-October develops new roots – ergo gives fertilizer containing high potassium.
In the period from October to February no fertilize.
The above applies to adult plants, but small seedlings fertilized in the same way, except that those fed the whole year unless the soil is frozen.”

This works for me, and in this way my seedplants often flower 2 years after sowing.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunhild Poulsen on February 18, 2011, 04:09:50 PM
I'm sorry for my bad English - I didn't meant reciept but formula 
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on February 18, 2011, 04:12:09 PM
Quote
I use a long lasting fertilise called Osmocote. It is active in 3 month. It is easy to use, because one can’t give too much, this fertilise never hurt the plant

 We gave up using Osmocote in our potting compost  because in a strange year when there was very early warm weather, the pellets released all their fertiliser and the plants were damaged.  :'(

 Gunhild.... don't worry-  receipt can mean a recipe or formula   :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunhild Poulsen on February 18, 2011, 07:26:03 PM
Thank you Maggi I'm calmed about my English.
But I'm surprised by what you are telling about Osmocode.
In Denmark most nurseries and privat growers use Osmocode. I have used it myself in around 10 years I think, without any damage (I use the one for Rhododendron etc.).
Osmocode should release the fertilise slowly in the three month period, and I did not know the weather had any consideration of this. Opposite warm weather can be very dangerous for Hepatica.
Anyway Osmocode works well for me, not only for Hepatica but for other plants too.
And this is the exciting of growing plants - there are lot of different ways to success.
Gunhild

 
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on February 18, 2011, 07:49:17 PM
I use osmocote in most of my composts but not for hepaticas simply because I have followed John Massey's recipe ever since I started growing them and since it has been successful I have seen no reason to change.
Osmocote is available in many different formulas and is not confined to a three months rellease period,it is very much dependent on temperature to activate it release properties.I in fact use a fifteen month period of release.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on February 18, 2011, 09:07:41 PM
As John says, Gunhild, Osmocote is temperature release sensitive so for a climate like ours, where we can have unseasonal speels of warm waether, it  can release the fertiliser at the wrong time and cause damage. I would imagine in Swcandanavia where winter stays for a "proper" length of time and then the weather changes fully to Spring, not going back and forth like in the UK, that this is why you have not had any problems.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: lettuce begin on February 18, 2011, 09:14:17 PM
A few snaps of the Ashwood hepaticas from RHS show, sorry lost the names. :-[
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on February 18, 2011, 09:21:38 PM
A few snaps of the Ashwood hepaticas from RHS show, sorry lost the names. :-[   

Thanks so much for posting these.  I just heard that Ashwood won their 50th consecutive Gold Medal for this display, with 100% score in all categories of judging. 
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Pascal B on February 18, 2011, 09:22:10 PM
Maggi,

The problem is that the more useful versions of Osmocote are not available for the hobby grower. Usually only the 3-4 month formula's are available at the garden centres but there also 5-6 month, 8-9 month, 12-14 month and 16-18 month versions in varying N-P-K formulas that cause much less problems. You can overcome the heat release problem a bit by not mixing it in the soil but put it at the surface of the pot. But that looks awful... Or mix it in at 1/2 or 1/4 strength as additional fertilisation. But I have to admit I prefer feeding the plants with a liquid feed too, it gives me much more control.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 18, 2011, 09:23:08 PM
Thanks for showing these Cheryl !
What beauty...  :o :o
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on February 18, 2011, 09:23:37 PM
A few snaps of the Ashwood hepaticas from RHS show, sorry lost the names. :-[   

Thanks so much for posting these.  I just heard that Ashwood won their 50th consecutive Gold Medal for this display, with 100% score in all categories of judging. 
My thanks too, Cheryl. :)

 Good news about the Gold Medal.... though hardly surprising with plants likethat, eh? ! 8)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on February 18, 2011, 09:24:28 PM
Maggi,

The problem is that the more useful versions of Osmocote are not available for the hobby grower. Usually only the 3-4 month formula's are available at the garden centres but there also 5-6 month, 8-9 month, 12-14 month and 16-18 month versions in varying N-P-K formulas that cause much less problems. You can overcome the heat release problem a bit by not mixing it in the soil but put it at the surface of the pot. But that looks awful... Or mix it in at 1/2 or 1/4 strength as additional fertilisation. But I have to admit I prefer feeding the plants with a liquid feed too, it gives me much more control.

You have the situation exactly, Pascal. We just gave up as it was too much trouble!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunhild Poulsen on February 19, 2011, 08:07:23 AM
Thanks for the information about Osmocote. I think it is very valuable to hear the experiences from other growers – and not less the warnings.
I always use to add Osmocote directly in the pots, but hearing about your bad experience I maybe should reconsider what to do in this spring!!!

Michael I don’t doubt your blue Hepatica is a nobilis, I was just praising the special for this plant.
Gunhild
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: kalle-k.dk on February 19, 2011, 05:44:03 PM
Gunilla I have tried to find description of the scent in Hepatca and have found a description that says that the American species H. acuta can have a strong but pleasant scent. I ask Gunhild and she says she has experienced scent of H. nobilis v. pyranaica and believe that there are plants in all species there can have scent.

I have read that Hepatica transsilvanica has 28 chromosome and Hepatica nobilis and several of the other species have only 14 chromosomes. How can they be crossed to what we know as x media? I always thought that plants the can be crosses must have the same chromosome number. Is this total wrong?

It's still cold here in Denmark, but today there was sun and several of our Hepatica was full open.

Gunda and Kalle,
Denmark
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on February 19, 2011, 06:34:33 PM
Thank you Gunhild & Michael for the info. I have been to the cottage Garden snowdrop day today so I apologise for not thanking you before.

I do find the clay pots dry out quickly, I was wondering whether to paint the outside of the pots with something to reduce evaporation rather than disturb them all again.

Beautiful photos Cheryl thank you. 
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Hoy on February 19, 2011, 07:42:29 PM
Gunilla I have tried to find description of the scent in Hepatca and have found a description that says that the American species H. acuta can have a strong but pleasant scent. I ask Gunhild and she says she has experienced scent of H. nobilis v. pyranaica and believe that there are plants in all species there can have scent.

I have read that Hepatica transsilvanica has 28 chromosome and Hepatica nobilis and several of the other species have only 14 chromosomes. How can they be crossed to what we know as x media? I always thought that plants the can be crosses must have the same chromosome number. Is this total wrong?

It's still cold here in Denmark, but today there was sun and several of our Hepatica was full open.

Gunda and Kalle,
Denmark
Gunda/Kalle, its usually no problem crossing a diploid plant like H nobilis (2n=14) with a tetraploid H transsilvanica (2n=28). The progeny will be triploid (2n=21) but usually sterile.

Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 19, 2011, 07:59:13 PM
Hepatica  Japonica haruno awayuki, a difficult colour to photograph.
Hepatica hokutosei. Not fully open yet.
Hepatica japonica   'Murasaki'
Hepatica  Japonica akafuku,

With thanks to Karl & Gunhild.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 19, 2011, 08:01:01 PM
Hepatica japonica to-sen.  Think I posted this one before.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on February 19, 2011, 08:16:39 PM
Hepatica japonica to-sen.  Think I posted this one before.


Michael who cares if you posted it before, it's worth another look. Keep posting your hepaticas they are so lovely.  8)

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: kalle-k.dk on February 19, 2011, 09:17:25 PM
HOY; THANK YOU for the informations, it was very usefull.

Michael; Fantastic picture, Good to see they are growing well.

A few more from today.

Gunda and Kalle
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Hoy on February 19, 2011, 10:52:19 PM
HOY; THANK YOU for the informations, it was very usefull.

Gunda and Kalle
You are welcome!
Triploids usually don't make neither good pollen nor egg cells as the 3 sets of chromosomes will form trivalents during meiosis and not the usual bivalents. That makes unbalanced chromosome sets in the cells.

If you want a triploid plant to be fertile you have to use something like colchicine to stop the chromosome segregation during meiosis. But be aware! Its very poisonous! (I have not used it myself so I can't tell you how to use it.)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunhild Poulsen on February 20, 2011, 05:58:14 PM
I understand crossing of diploid and tetraploid gives triploid and infertile plants, but I’m wondering why cross between transsilvanica and pubescens - the so called x euroasiatica - as for example Prof.F. Hildebrandt is infertile – both parents are tetraploid.
There must be other factors than the chromosome which have influence of the fertilisation, or am I wrong?
Gunhild
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Hoy on February 20, 2011, 07:10:43 PM
I understand crossing of diploid and tetraploid gives triploid and infertile plants, but I’m wondering why cross between transsilvanica and pubescens - the so called x euroasiatica - as for example Prof.F. Hildebrandt is infertile – both parents are tetraploid.
There must be other factors than the chromosome which have influence of the fertilisation, or am I wrong?
Gunhild
Yes, it is. Even if chromosome numbers are even chromosomes can fail to make functional bivalents, or male and/or female sterility can occur due to a lot of different genetic conditions both of Mendelian and cytoplasmic origin.

I have to say however that I am no expert in these matters and do not cross plants in a scientific way ;)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: YT on February 22, 2011, 03:33:39 AM
Thanks for all showing your hepaticas :) These are my unnamed seedlings.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: ChrisB on February 22, 2011, 10:26:33 AM
What a wonderful clear blue that is, YT!

Michael,  thanks so much for the tips for improving my hepatica.  I have it in a long tom pot but I will repot after it finishes flowering I think, taking your advice.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: annew on February 22, 2011, 11:37:58 AM
A very beautiful blue!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on February 22, 2011, 01:55:17 PM
 I have lost hepaticas through being too damp so I'm now using a little more loam in my compost together with some 'Ultrasorb' for its free draining qualities like I use for my cypripediums.



Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on February 23, 2011, 12:45:58 PM
Can anyone recommend hepatica suppliers?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Ulla Hansson on February 23, 2011, 02:11:36 PM
What species are you looking for?
Jürgen Peters has a great deal. https: / / www.alpine-peters.de/shop/
Edrom has many Japonica. http://www.edrom-nurseries.co.uk/shop/pc/home.asp
Andreas Händel also offer a lot. http://www.hepatica-haendel.de/index.php?lang=en
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Rob on February 23, 2011, 09:52:28 PM
Can anyone recommend hepatica suppliers?

When I was at the South Wales AGS show Robin White had some nice hepaticas for sale on his Blackthorn Nursery stand.

I don't think he sells the really expensive japonicas, but he had Millstream Merlin, and some white nobilis doubles and red nobilis doubles and some singles with nicely marked leaves.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 23, 2011, 10:09:48 PM
Hepatica   Japonica Purple nidan saki, sorry this one is a bit fuzzy.
Hepatica japonica   'Murasaki'
Hepatica  Japonica Asahizuru,
Hepatica japonica   Hyoujunka
Hepatica americana lavender blue.
Hepatica transsilvanica
Hepatica media harvington beauty
Hepatica transsilvanica Mrs Elison spence.
Hepatica three step double.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on February 23, 2011, 10:14:20 PM
Wow Michael. I tried to pick my favourite but I like them all. Hepatica Japonica Asahizuru is so sweet.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on February 24, 2011, 04:14:02 PM
thanks for the useful information Ulla & Rob.

I bought Millstream Merlin from Robin White last year Rob & it is going to flower again soon. It's a stunner isn't it?

Have you bought plants from Andreas Handel, Ulla?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Ulla Hansson on February 24, 2011, 05:10:59 PM
Yes I have. We were in Kiekeberg on a plant market for a few years ago, when he was there, and sold plants. He had a lot of Hepatica. This year I sent an order for some different Eranthis
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunilla on February 25, 2011, 09:14:52 AM
It's a delight to se all your beautiful hepatica in flower, Michael. From another thread I gather that you already have spring and many hepatica flowering outside in the garden.   Can't believe it, it's so cold here. 

I have some seedlings in a frost free space and it's interesting to study how different they are. The first one is a seedling of Hepatica nobilis glabrata, it has no hair at all. The second picture is of an ordinary H. nobilis seedling.

Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 25, 2011, 09:18:30 AM
Unusual seedling Gunilla,will interesting to see how it turns out .
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on February 25, 2011, 09:48:10 AM
Are his plants sent bare root Ulla?

Also does he send to the UK?

Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Ulla Hansson on February 25, 2011, 02:07:41 PM
The plants I ordered now, should I pick up on the big spring market in Berlin.
 I do not know if he send plants, I have just purchased directly from him in different markets.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: kalle-k.dk on February 25, 2011, 03:04:23 PM
New flowers from today  :D

    Hepatica japonica 'Ko-Shu'
    Hepatica japonica 'Shikouden'
    Hepatica japonica 'Hatubisen' Wild species
    Hepatica yamatutai

edit by maggi to add plant names to the text
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: fleurbleue on February 25, 2011, 03:14:07 PM
Ko-Shu is very amazing  :D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 02, 2011, 05:21:22 PM
Amazing Hep's Kalle and Michael )  :o :o

Two from me :

1 & 2) Hepatica x media "Blue Jewel"
3 & 4) Hepatica nobilis var. japonica - unnamed seedling
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunhild Poulsen on March 02, 2011, 08:09:46 PM
This is my best filled japonica - a very appreciated present from Koichi Iwafuchi
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 02, 2011, 08:12:36 PM
I can see why you appreciate it Gunhild !!! It's fabulous !  :o
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on March 02, 2011, 08:33:43 PM
Beautiful.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: chris on March 03, 2011, 07:02:51 AM
beautiful flower Gunhild, here we have some sun and now the flowers come open, here is H.Hiko Boshi
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on March 03, 2011, 10:23:41 PM
Fantastic flowers from everyone.
Here's my greenhouse
And there's always one of these floating flower arrangements at Ashwood, hellebores or hepaticas.  I'd thought I'd try to do one
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on March 03, 2011, 10:27:42 PM
Some of these Japanese hepaticas are unnamed, or untranslated from the Japanese label  ;D so they just go by a number
H40 - a delicate pale blue
ditto
H156 a strong unusual shade of puce
H159 new to me last year
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on March 03, 2011, 10:30:13 PM
H161 was bought as "Akane" but it doesn't look like other people's "Akane".  I have been caught out in the past with flowers that change as the season or years move on.  Can anyone confirm or otherwise the ID of this?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on March 03, 2011, 10:34:14 PM
Ryougetsu
and the same close (I love the dark blue anthers of this)
Sekirei
H40B
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on March 03, 2011, 10:37:33 PM
Zeppin
and again
and for comparison, this is Zeppin, taken in 2008, it's the same plant.  It's odd how they can change over the years. 
last one is Hepatica maxima, just for a change
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: lettuce begin on March 03, 2011, 11:34:04 PM
Diane, such a beautiful display of flower forms and colours. I purchased some japonica forms from
Ashwood nursery at the rhs london show. I think these little gems might become very addictive . :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: annew on March 04, 2011, 09:05:54 AM
You've started down the slippery slope - enjoy the ride!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on March 04, 2011, 09:07:14 AM
Diane, such a beautiful display of flower forms and colours. I purchased some japonica forms from
Ashwood nursery at the rhs london show. I think these little gems might become very addictive . :)   

Thanks, Cheryl.  My addiction is fuelled by
a) living only a few minutes from Ashwood  ;D  and
b) having a generous Japanese friend   ;D
 
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on March 04, 2011, 09:31:07 AM
HI Diane do you need to make an appointment to see & purchase named hepatica japonica at Ashwood?

I grow 'Akane' but it is in the garden not under glass. I'll take a photo of it this afternoon when I get home from work & post it over the weekend.

You are very fortunate to live so close to Ahwood I'd be there everyday if I could  ;D ;D !!!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on March 04, 2011, 10:21:49 AM
HI Diane do you need to make an appointment to see & purchase named hepatica japonica at Ashwood?
I grow 'Akane' but it is in the garden not under glass. I'll take a photo of it this afternoon when I get home from work & post it over the weekend.
You are very fortunate to live so close to Ahwood I'd be there everyday if I could  ;D ;D !!!


The collection of H japonica are John Massey's own private collection, located in his own garden, adjacent to, but not on, the nursery.  There are usually open days in January and February each year, sometimes with lectures incorporated, sometimes not, some are billed as RHS days, and some are just for the nominated charity each year.  Also John's garden is usually open several times a year, for charity.  Of course, the time slot for seeing the hepaticas in flower is really limited to Jan, Feb and just into March, and if they are doing an RHS show in that time they would not welcome a private visit because they are very busy.  If you contacted John at the nursery and show a genuine interest, I am sure he will arrange a visit.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on March 04, 2011, 10:35:37 AM
I think I'll make sure I get to the RHS London show next year & purchase some from John then.

Snowdrops & hepaticas............mmmmmmmmmm  My idea of heaven   ;D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: lettuce begin on March 04, 2011, 11:17:05 AM
Hi Mike ,I do have a copy of Ashwoods mail order 2011 for hepatica plants and seed.
If you would like a copy let me have your address and I will send it. :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on March 04, 2011, 11:28:22 AM
Hi Mike ,I do have a copy of Ashwoods mail order 2011 for hepatica plants and seed.
If you would like a copy let me have your address and I will send it. :)   

The mail order info is also on line here:

http://www.ashwoodnurseries.com/images/stories/mailorder/hepatica_plants.pdf (http://www.ashwoodnurseries.com/images/stories/mailorder/hepatica_plants.pdf)
http://www.ashwoodnurseries.com/images/stories/mailorder/hepatica_seeds.pdf (http://www.ashwoodnurseries.com/images/stories/mailorder/hepatica_seeds.pdf)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on March 04, 2011, 12:27:59 PM
Hello Cheryl, you are very kind to offer to send Ashwoods mail order list to me.

I've received their informative colour hepatica brochure already this year & the order form was included..........there's nothing like choosing your own plant though is there?

Mike

 
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunhild Poulsen on March 04, 2011, 05:11:36 PM
Nice flowers Diana, and you are right Hepatica change. It is sayd that one can expect changing the first 3 year.
Here is one of my examples
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: fleurbleue on March 04, 2011, 05:27:42 PM
Diane, I had seen a beautiful double white and green Hepatica on the old forum... Do you have it yet ? I have kept it in my mind  :D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on March 04, 2011, 05:58:26 PM
Diane just had a look at your Hepatica pictures they are absolutely lovely, thanks for showing.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: kalle-k.dk on March 06, 2011, 06:29:38 PM
Today, it has been perfect Hepatica weather, lot of sunshine. I took pictures from one of our glasshouse.

Gunda and Kalle,
Denmark
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: annew on March 06, 2011, 06:35:28 PM
It must be lovely in your greenhouse (very tidy!), all those beautiful hepaticas. Do they stay inside all year?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: ChrisB on March 06, 2011, 10:44:02 PM
Kirsten, your H. japonica is wonderful. 
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Nick_the_grief on March 07, 2011, 03:02:21 PM


Thanks, Cheryl.  My addiction is fuelled by
a) living only a few minutes from Ashwood  ;D  and
b) having a generous Japanese friend   ;D
 

But no scissors to cut the price tag off  :P  THey look great Diane - maybe I'll have a stab at after I've been killing easier things first.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on March 08, 2011, 08:14:32 AM
Hi Gunda & Kalle.

We are having hard frosts & very bright sunny days here in the UK & I was thinking maybe I should think about shading my hepaticas.

Will you keep your hepaticas in the greenhouse through the summer ? When will you start to provide shade?

I've attached a picture of my Millstream Merlin it looked so perfect yesterday.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: annew on March 08, 2011, 10:15:11 AM
That's a beauty, Mike.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on March 08, 2011, 10:28:19 AM
Thank you annew, I'm thrilled with it, such a stunning colour with that lime green centre.

Hope I can keep it for many years to come.   ;D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: kalle-k.dk on March 08, 2011, 04:35:22 PM
Anne and Mike, Yes all the Hepatica we have in pots are always in a glass house. There are several reasons for this; early season, better experience to control pollination, early seeds and a few other things.

Mike; I will not shade my Hepatica now, they need and love the sunshine now. We start by giving them shade in late May.

Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on March 09, 2011, 10:53:48 AM
Thanks KKD, I was thinking along the same lines regarding shading. Plants in the wild would not have overhead shade yet as the trees are still without foliage.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: gote on March 09, 2011, 11:16:19 AM
As far as nobils goes. in mid-Sweden it likes a fairly sunny position when grown in the ground. In the wild they grow in the shade but this is not because they need it. it is because there is less competition there. I would not try them in very exposed positions though. Potted plants may be another matter.
Göte.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on March 09, 2011, 02:56:22 PM
Interesting Gote thanks

Mike
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on March 10, 2011, 03:12:09 PM
The hepaticas are close to their peak and two days of glorious sunshine have helped.Here are a few named forms.

HOKOTOSEI
SEIZAN
SHIKOUDEN
TAMATYAKU
TOKI
TOURYOKU
TSUABENI
TUUEN
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on March 10, 2011, 03:16:28 PM


TUUEN
TRANSYLVANICA LILACINA(SYN.ROSEA)

I will post a few more general images when I have sorted them.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on March 10, 2011, 06:02:59 PM
What beauties  8) I do like Touryoku, but so hard to pick a favourite.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: fleurbleue on March 10, 2011, 06:27:33 PM
I agree totally with you Angie  ;D But they all make me dream  ::)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on March 10, 2011, 08:06:52 PM
These are mostly all grown from my own seed and are prdominantly nobilis pyrenaica which are destined to be planted outside where they seem to flourish.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on March 10, 2011, 08:11:07 PM
Overview of hepatica house.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: annew on March 10, 2011, 08:20:38 PM
What situation will you plant them in outside, John?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on March 10, 2011, 08:23:29 PM
absolutely fantastic, John, thanks
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on March 10, 2011, 08:55:44 PM
Okay I really am green with envy now, what an amazing sight  8) John I would never be out of the greenhouse if I had a display like that.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunilla on March 10, 2011, 09:41:49 PM
John, your hepatica house is wonderful  :o. I especially like the pale pink pyrenaica, they are so sweet. The white cherry blossoms match perfectly.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: ChrisB on March 10, 2011, 10:39:29 PM
Well, that has left me speechless John.  What a show you have there! 
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on March 11, 2011, 08:30:43 AM
Utterly beautiful John.

I'm with you Angie......  I couldn't leave the greenhouse either if I had a display like that.

The few hepaticas I have I pick up & study & I tell them how beautiful they are!!

I'm not mad honest!! ;)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Peter Maguire on March 11, 2011, 09:43:28 AM
Some lovely pink forms of pyrenaica there John. I presume you are several generations into a breeding programme to get deep pinks like that?
The powder blue double japonicas - are they from your own seed raising?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on March 11, 2011, 02:14:06 PM
Some lovely pink forms of pyrenaica there John. I presume you are several generations into a breeding programme to get deep pinks like that?
The powder blue double japonicas - are they from your own seed raising?

Peter,The closest I come to a breeding programme is to stick red labels into the pot of anything that I think is outstanding and collect it's seed for sowing.All the pollination is done naturally.
The powder blue was the exception,I couldn't recall it's name.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on March 11, 2011, 03:00:24 PM
What situation will you plant them in outside, John?

Anne,your question is more difficult to answer so I just nipped outside to take a few shots that illustrate better than I could describe.I apologise to others who may find it of no interest.

The first area is beneath a very large rhododendron davidsonianum where you can just see some of the plants planted last Autumn.

Another area is underneath a mature Corylus avana contorta which sits on the end of what was originally a not very successful scree and which I am now reclaiming having incorporated large quantities of leafmould,composted bark and supplemented with B.F.B.I have already planted 60 Hepatica nobilis pyrenaica earlier this year which you can see and I will be adding a batch of Yamatutai and others yet to be determined.

I have shown a planting of cyc.hederifolium'Silver Cloud' planted underneath a blue cedar purely to illustrate the effect that I hope to achieve but with hepaticas.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on March 11, 2011, 03:23:53 PM
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I apologise to others who may find it of no interest.
Dear me, John, if you do not realise the pleasure which seeing these shotas from y your beautiful garden and the value of the ideas you explain to us then I must speak seriously to you to show you what a delight it is to see and learn such things!  

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a mature Corylus avana contorta
That's something of an understatement... that plant is magnificent... and huge!


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supplemented with B.F.B.
..... does  B.F.B. = Blood Fish and Bone fertiliser?


John, again I thank you for your inspiration and kindness in sharing these glimpses of your plants and garden with us.





Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on March 11, 2011, 05:30:41 PM
Maggie,your so kind and many thanks,it gives me great pleasure too and I am grateful that the forum allows me to share that pleasure with others.
Yes,B,F,B. = blood fish and bone,I asumed that everyone would know.

Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 11, 2011, 09:43:54 PM
Amazing plants and pictures John !
Thanks so much for sharing !
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: annew on March 11, 2011, 10:30:25 PM
Just wondering how many hepaticas you'll need to make such a dense mat as the cyclamen! I'm guessing they will self-seed in much the same way. What a sight it will be in flower. Thank you for the information.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Hoy on March 11, 2011, 11:16:10 PM
You'll need to have thousands!
Here are two natural stands in different woods.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on March 12, 2011, 10:29:03 AM
I'm not planning to carpet a wood,only a few square metres.I imagine about 200 plants.which are already in the pipeline.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: gote on March 14, 2011, 11:58:41 AM
I'm not planning to carpet a wood,only a few square metres.I imagine about 200 plants.which are already in the pipeline.
A thriving well grown Hepatica nobilis will be some 20 cm across. That means some 25/square meter. This size will take a few years though. Wild plants seldom attain this size - especially if there are roe deers around.
Göte
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on March 14, 2011, 12:12:34 PM
Thanks for the inspiring picture John!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: ChrisB on March 15, 2011, 10:54:58 AM
I've got a nice patch of hepatica nobilis under an Acer j. 'Sango-kaku'.  They have been there for about 7 years now, and are starting to self seed.  I was surprised at this one that I have seen for the first time, the petals are much more narrow than all the others, and there are many more of them.  Is this a common thing or should I try to find the node from which it arises and cosset it?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on March 15, 2011, 10:10:05 PM
Hepatica nobilis fl.pl.white
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on March 16, 2011, 10:20:25 AM
Not usually a fan of double flowers but in the case of hepaticas I am prepared to be persuaded!
The bowl shape of that double white is truly lovely, Michael.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: kalle-k.dk on March 16, 2011, 06:42:31 PM
Right now the flowering peak in the glasshouse and each day we spend much time there. It is exciting when one of the new show the flower and it's especially exciting when one of them is our own cross. I send 3 pictures of our own cross. They are prick out in pots in 2010 and is the first time they bloom.  :D

Gunda and Karl,
Denmark
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunhild Poulsen on March 16, 2011, 07:22:30 PM
Wonderful flowers Michael and Gunda.
Below are shown two of my seed plants – first years flowering (172 and 173)
then nobilis ‘Clara’ 36N
And the last nobilis 63N mostly are filled like the first photo but this year many different flower occurs – like e.g the last photo. Besides all the flowers this year are much darker than normal.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on March 16, 2011, 07:34:08 PM
Gunda, Karl and Gunhild, beautiful just beautiful  :o :o :P :P
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: kalle-k.dk on March 16, 2011, 07:56:36 PM
They are incredibly beautiful Gunhild
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: annew on March 16, 2011, 10:17:42 PM
Gunhild - congratulations on your very special seedlings.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on March 17, 2011, 08:10:14 AM
Lovely Lovely Lovely.   8)

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: WimB on March 17, 2011, 08:17:04 AM
Wonderful flowers everyone, thanks for showing them.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Knud on March 17, 2011, 08:17:46 PM
Hello,
the first Hepatica opened here today. Nothing special, just a H. nobilis, I think, but the anthers are pretty in pink. I only noticed the colours of the anthers as I was looking at the photograph, macro-photography has its advantages. Tomorrow I will bring my magnifying lens out to see if I can see it "in situ".

Knud
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on March 17, 2011, 08:47:49 PM
Interesting Diary from Diane here

http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Midland/+March+/336/
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on March 17, 2011, 09:48:40 PM
Interesting Diary from Diane here

http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Midland/+March+/336/
.......... there always is!  :D :) 8)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on March 17, 2011, 10:34:06 PM
By the way, on the subject of hepaticas and Diane.......
 guess what I found in the listing of the AGS  Shropshire Group?

At the meeting on the 21 March 2011 in the Darwin Community Centre, Frankwell, Shrewsbury  (at 7.30pm) the speaker will be none other than.......
 Diane Clement  and her subject will be "Cyclamen and Hepatica - jewels of the garden"


 I'm thinking 'be there or be square' Hep fans!

Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gerry Webster on March 18, 2011, 08:49:19 PM
I have a number of colour forms of both H. nobilis & H. japonica growing close together in a frame.  Four years ago, for the first time, I collected & sowed several pots of seed  & this year most of the seedlings flowered. I had expected to get some cross pollination & therefore some colour variation. In fact, all the plants came true (i.e., like the seed parent). Is this usual?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on March 18, 2011, 08:58:43 PM
I have a number of colour forms of both H. nobilis & H. japonica growing close together in a frame.  Four years ago, for the first time, I collected & sowed several pots of seed  & this year most of the seedlings flowered. I had expected to get some cross pollination & therefore some colour variation. In fact, all the plants came true (i.e., like the seed parent). Is this usual?

I think that hepaticas, when left to their own devices will often self pollinate.  There's not too many insects around at this time of year.  Here's two slides from my lecture to illustrate the point.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gerry Webster on March 18, 2011, 09:44:07 PM
Thanks for the comment Diane. I suspected that lack of insects might be the reason. I should have got to work with the paintbrush.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: kalle-k.dk on March 20, 2011, 05:43:42 PM
Today opened the first Hepatica nobilis by our own cross, 3-4 and maybe more of them are double.  :D
Behind the petals there are stamen.

Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Graham Catlow on March 20, 2011, 07:23:21 PM
Three from me

Hepatica nobilis (pink)
Hepatica nobilis (pink close up)
Ditto
Hepatica nobilis (blue)
Hepatica transsilvanica 'Ellison Spence'
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: mark smyth on March 20, 2011, 09:33:34 PM
sadly my H. yamatutai single and double forms died over the winter along with H. n. glabrata and several others. They had rotted at ground level

I have a large pot with 100s of seedlings that have only seed leaves - the same they had when they first came in to grow after I sowed them fresh in 2010. What should I do with them?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on March 21, 2011, 04:57:56 PM
I understand John Massey keeps his hepaticas above zero degrees during the winter.

Mine are under glass during the winter months without any heating & have come through with no losses despite the intense cold.

I move them out into uncovered frames on the north side of my bungalow during April when the sun starts to increase in strength & then gradually increase shading for the height of the summer.

Seems very similar to Diane's method.

Do you prevent your hepaticas freezing Diane?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: kalle-k.dk on March 21, 2011, 07:21:43 PM
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I have a large pot with 100s of seedlings that have only seed leaves - the same they had when they first came in to grow after I sowed them fresh in 2010. What should I do with them?

Mark..The best thing you can do is prick out your hepatica, otherwise I fear losing them.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: mark smyth on March 21, 2011, 10:49:32 PM
I looked at them today and their tiny leaves are starting to grow.

Prick out! You havent seen how many I have but I must start. What size pot should they go in to?

Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on March 22, 2011, 08:20:08 AM
I looked at them today and their tiny leaves are starting to grow.

Prick out! You havent seen how many I have but I must start. What size pot should they go in to?




Mark throw them over here I love pricking them out and putting them into pots.
Well done, I wish I could get 100s of seedlings, will be nice to watch them grow.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on March 22, 2011, 11:00:22 AM
I would suggest that you prick them out 20 to 30 into 2 or 3ltr.pots rather than individually.They like company and that way you have much more control over the moisture level.Tiny,slow growing plants in individual pots can soon shrivel up or drown.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on March 22, 2011, 07:23:01 PM
Hepatica nobilis showing the variability of colour and the attractive leaf patterns
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on March 22, 2011, 08:15:48 PM
Finally some growing outdoors in the ground.

Ellison Spence
    "        "
Mixed self sown seedlings

Nobilis pyrenaica

X Transylvanica 'Harvington Blue'
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunilla on March 22, 2011, 08:40:09 PM
The variability is what I like most about hepaticas :). Always something new to discover.  The pyrenacia on picture 019 seems to have very dark anthers. I would love to have a closer look at it.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on March 22, 2011, 10:22:44 PM
I understand John Massey keeps his hepaticas above zero degrees during the winter.  Mine are under glass during the winter months without any heating & have come through with no losses despite the intense cold.  I move them out into uncovered frames on the north side of my bungalow during April when the sun starts to increase in strength & then gradually increase shading for the height of the summer.  Seems very similar to Diane's method.  Do you prevent your hepaticas freezing Diane?  

I think John Massey keeps his hepaticas frost free as they are in unplunged pots in a polytunnel, therefore the roots are more vulnerable.  Also he needs them in flower early to take to the February London Show.  My hepaticas have had no frost protection, but all pots were plunged fully in sand.  Some were in the Access frame (the temperature inside there was the same as air temp outside) and some were in the alpine house with a couple of layers of fleece on them at the worst point of the winter.

sadly my H. yamatutai single and double forms died over the winter along with H. n. glabrata and several others. They had rotted at ground level  
Mark if they were in pots, the rotting at ground level could be due to potting them too deeply - they should be potted high with the noses above ground.  
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on March 22, 2011, 11:15:42 PM
The variability is what I like most about hepaticas :). Always something new to discover.  The pyrenacia on picture 019 seems to have very dark anthers. I would love to have a closer look at it.

Dianne.I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: gote on March 23, 2011, 12:06:32 PM
I understand John Massey keeps his hepaticas above zero degrees during the winter.

Mine are under glass during the winter months without any heating & have come through with no losses despite the intense cold.

I move them out into uncovered frames on the north side of my bungalow during April when the sun starts to increase in strength & then gradually increase shading for the height of the summer.

Seems very similar to Diane's method.

Do you prevent your hepaticas freezing Diane?
Hepatica nobilis of the type that grows wild in mid-Sweden will take -30°C unharmed growing naturally in the ground.
Göte
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on March 23, 2011, 12:47:49 PM
Pretty darn cold then Gote!!

Mike
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: mark smyth on March 23, 2011, 12:55:55 PM
Diane their noses were above soil level
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunilla on March 23, 2011, 04:07:19 PM
Hepatica transsilvanica is also very hardy and seems to cope well with black frost. It has been a cold winter here but my plants are OK.

Hepatica transsilvanica 'Karpatenkrone'
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: gote on March 23, 2011, 05:08:14 PM
Hepatica transsilvanica is also very hardy and seems to cope well with black frost. It has been a cold winter here but my plants are OK.

Hepatica transsilvanica 'Karpatenkrone'

I find that my transsylvanica is damaged some winters. I have attributed it to frost damage but of course, my place is some three zones colder than your.
I still have the ground frozen and 20-30 cm of snow - or at least in the past weekend.
You have very nice varieties by the way.
Göte
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: johngennard on March 24, 2011, 03:31:44 PM
The variability is what I like most about hepaticas :). Always something new to discover.  The pyrenacia on picture 019 seems to have very dark anthers. I would love to have a closer look at it.

Dianne.I'll see what I can do.

As promised Dianne,it's nice close to isn't it ?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunilla on March 24, 2011, 04:21:04 PM
It's very nice. Thanks for the close-up.  I like the look of those short dark stamens.  I'm sure Dianne does too  :D.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: annew on March 24, 2011, 06:50:28 PM
And I!
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on March 24, 2011, 07:38:46 PM
It's very nice. Thanks for the close-up.  I like the look of those short dark stamens.  I'm sure Dianne does too  :D.

I do  ;D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on March 25, 2011, 01:28:58 PM
When is the best time to divide hepaticas?

My largest one (Shiun Rin) is looking a little congested with some leaves finding it difficult making their way to the light.

How big would a hepatica need to be before considering division?

This is the plant in flower a few weeks ago. I'll take a picture of it over the weekend to show what I mean.

Mike

Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gerry on March 25, 2011, 05:18:41 PM
If you can get bits with three buds each then thats a decent livable propagule. Greedy people like me would go for two, or maybe one ;D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on March 26, 2011, 05:32:19 PM
Mike that's a bumper  8)

Angie :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: kalle-k.dk on March 27, 2011, 06:55:02 PM
Then the first four of my Hepatica nobilis cross in flower, it seems that there will be three more that are filled, and one of them is red.
 I have named one Hepatica nobilis 'Camilla' (my oldest daughter)
 The filled Hepatica has stamens and pollen.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Joakim B on March 27, 2011, 07:35:47 PM
Kalle and Gunda
Congratulation on "Camilla" :) :o
Is is very nice and I hope You will take many photos so that we can follow her over the days/weeks.  ;D
Is it a fertile plant or will it need a bad year to be more single to produce sexual parts?
Nice to see that the "production of double/filled" in nobile has started, so soon there will be even wider variety in these 8)
All the best
Joakim
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on March 27, 2011, 07:44:13 PM
Welcome back Joakim.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: kalle-k.dk on March 27, 2011, 07:52:06 PM
Thanks Joakim

Hepatica 'Camilla' has no stamens, but the other crossings have stamens and pollen, I have today pollinated a white pyrenaica with dust from one of the filled blue, I hope that one day I can get bicolor plants. :D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunhild Poulsen on March 27, 2011, 08:40:06 PM
Well done - it is very beautiful flowers, and very exciting.
I'm looking forward to see the rest - not less the red.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Joakim B on March 27, 2011, 11:39:25 PM
Thanks David :)

That sounds interesting with the mix of a double blue and a white pyreneica.  8).  Hopefully some interesting foliage amongst the children at least and hopefully some variation in coulor as well.
Maybe there will be some stamens on "Camilla" on a "bad year" with less filled flowers so that it also can be used in developing beautiful hepaticas. :)
Nice work
Joakim
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on March 28, 2011, 01:30:36 PM
Thanks Angie.........

I was going to take a picture of the same plant over the weekend but I've just been to busy, I'll try to do it tonight.

It is a very good 'doer' & I was talking to the grower I purchased it from on Saturday, he said to divide it in September.

Mike
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: angie on March 28, 2011, 06:10:44 PM
Thanks Angie.........

I was going to take a picture of the same plant over the weekend but I've just been to busy, I'll try to do it tonight.

It is a very good 'doer' & I was talking to the grower I purchased it from on Saturday, he said to divide it in September.

Mike
Mike I looked at your picture again. I would be scared to divide it. It looks so lovely. Perfection in my eyes.

Angie :) :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on March 30, 2011, 08:28:51 AM
Look at it NOW  :o :o :'(

Any ideas of what's happening to my lovely plant?

Michael have you come across this before?

It was so perfect as Angie said & now?? :'(
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on March 30, 2011, 09:27:43 AM
Any ideas of what's happening to my lovely plant? 

I think it's just moving into summer mode, not really sure there's anything wrong?  Is there fungus in there - not clear from the picture?  However, I'd snip off all the old flowers and any remaining old leaves from last year.  It looks like it's in full light?  If so, it now needs to go into shade.     
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on March 30, 2011, 09:37:21 AM
I agree with Diane but I would move it outside into a shaded area with overhead protection. They need plenty of air circulation when the new growth starts.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on March 30, 2011, 10:33:27 AM
Thanks for the advice Diane & Michael.

All the old foliage was removed just before the flower buds extended.

Could it be mildew?

The affected leaves & stems are soft.

The greenhouse vents & doors were all open throughout the winter & the recent hot spell.

I've put all my hepaticas in cold frames now on the shady side of my bungalow.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gerry on March 30, 2011, 07:40:17 PM
Botrytis?
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunhild Poulsen on March 31, 2011, 07:22:40 PM
Mavers – to me it looks like a fungus – which one is not easy to say. To be 100% sure one must have a test from a laboratory.
I would take away all the attacked leaves and buds, and spray with a broad-spectrum fungicid once a week or maybe even more often.
Another way is to take away the soil, soak roots and buds in the fungicid in 12 or 24 hours, and then give some fresh soil.
Maybe you can save the plant in this way.
And then I would keep it away from the other Hepaticas, one never knows if it will be transmitted or not.
It is important to cut of the withered flowers because they can be the reason for disease.

Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gerry on March 31, 2011, 08:30:23 PM
Does anyone have any experience of H. 'Louise Kohler'. My plant has flowered a year after I recived a division, but its single mid pink. Is this an abberation caused by division, or have I got a possible rogue seedling thats put itself in the original plant?

Suggestions welcomed :(
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on March 31, 2011, 09:12:36 PM
Gerry, Hepatica may not produce the true flower for about two years after they are divided or disturbed, so your plant is probably as described but just taking time to settle down. That is how they get pollen from double flowering plants, when they are disturbed they sometimes produce single flowers with pollen which is then used to breed  new plants. No need to worry just yet.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gerry on April 01, 2011, 10:28:50 AM
Thanks Michael; I'll save any seed that may appear :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Mavers on April 01, 2011, 01:52:28 PM
Thank you Gunhild it does look like a fungus attack of some sort. I'm keeping it well away from my other hep's.

Mike
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gerard Oud on April 01, 2011, 07:44:01 PM
I am no Hepatica specialist but i got these from a colleage and its doing very well in my garden!
Dont know the cultivars name sorry.


regards Gerard

Hepatica transsilvanica Blue Jewel ;D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: annew on April 02, 2011, 03:15:51 PM
It has beautiful full flowers.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunilla on April 02, 2011, 03:38:19 PM
Lovely blue colour and what an abundance of flowers  :o. Could it be H. media X Ballardii?  I'm just guessing. 
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: annew on April 02, 2011, 08:30:52 PM
I wondered that too, the flowers look similar.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gerry on April 03, 2011, 08:09:38 AM
I can't see the leaves too well, so can't make a good judgement. There is a suspicion that 'Ballardii' is a collection of clones. The 'original' would be over 100 years old by now.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on April 03, 2011, 09:22:35 AM
I agree it looks like H x media 'Ballardii'.  Here's mine for comparison
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunilla on April 03, 2011, 10:24:20 AM
And this is mine from last year.  It has not started to flower yet.

H. media x 'Ballardii'
H. media 'Ballardii' leaves
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Lvandelft on April 03, 2011, 11:34:52 AM
I am no Hepatica specialist but i got these from a colleage and its doing very well in my garden!
Dont know the cultivars name sorry.
regards Gerard
Gerard, if you got it from a Dutch nurseryman it might be Jan Huisman's Hepatica transsilvanica Blue Jewel?
Your plant looks very good BTW :)
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gerard Oud on April 03, 2011, 02:08:20 PM
Yes its from Jan Huisman but i got it several years ago and forgot the name. If it was a snowdrop i would not have forgotten it ;D
If someone wants to have a part, i would like to swap for snowdrops ;D
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gerry on April 03, 2011, 04:24:08 PM
Thats the 'Ballardii' that I have. The other plant seems more blowsy.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Janis Ruksans on April 04, 2011, 06:27:33 PM
Started blooming of Hepaticas in greenhouse. I have only very few.
The first I'm growing as DOUBLE BLUE, may be it is cv. Valter Otto
Following three are selected from wild in Latvia by Juris Egle, famous tulip breeder
Alba
Lieliskā
Raibā
and last H. transsylvanica Alba
Janis

Sorry, correction. After communication with Juris Egle I understood that there must be some mistake on label. His white hepatica is different from shown here. Some mystery for me.
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Janis Ruksans on April 06, 2011, 07:13:58 PM
This beautiful Hepatica nobilis (?) flowers now. May be someone can help me with it's name?
Janis
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: gote on April 07, 2011, 10:08:37 AM
This beautiful Hepatica nobilis (?) flowers now. May be someone can help me with it's name?
Janis
Looks like perfectly normal nobilis to me (not seing any leaf). In a few days my forest will be full of them
Cheers
Göte 
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Janis Ruksans on April 07, 2011, 12:38:25 PM
This beautiful Hepatica nobilis (?) flowers now. May be someone can help me with it's name?
Janis
Looks like perfectly normal nobilis to me (not seing any leaf). In a few days my forest will be full of them
Cheers
Göte 
Anthers are different from our usual wild H. nobilis.
Janis
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunilla on April 07, 2011, 01:28:00 PM
I have noticed some variation in anther colour in wild growing Hepatica here.
Your white transsilvanica is lovely. Does it have coloured anthers?

1,2  show plants growing at the same place. Sorry about the lousy quality, the pictures were taken on a very windy day on a hillside not far from here.
3. dark H. nobilis in my garden.
4. H. transsilvanica white
5. H. transsilvanica 'Eisvogel
6. H. transsilvanica 'Supernova' with very blue filaments and connectives

Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Janis Ruksans on April 07, 2011, 01:51:06 PM
I didn't note such anthers on my nobilis, but very similar has my transsylvanica alba, too.
Janis
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: Gunilla on April 10, 2011, 04:29:42 PM
I am no Hepatica specialist but i got these from a colleage and its doing very well in my garden!
Dont know the cultivars name sorry.
regards Gerard
Gerard, if you got it from a Dutch nurseryman it might be Jan Huisman's Hepatica transsilvanica Blue Jewel?
Your plant looks very good BTW :)

Today a few flowers on the hepatica I have as H. transsilvanica Blue Jewel.  I think the flowers look similar to yours, Gerard.  It's the first year it flowers with me but I hope that it in time it will grow as magnificent as yours. :).
Title: Re: Hepatica 2011
Post by: wolfgang vorig on April 19, 2011, 06:33:20 PM
Hepatica acutiloba today,
best greetings,      Wolfgang
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Post by: annew on April 19, 2011, 06:35:03 PM
Beautiful, Wolfgang.
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Post by: Stephen Vella on May 11, 2011, 07:16:15 AM
Nice pinks Wolfgang
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Post by: illingworth on May 12, 2011, 12:33:19 AM
Our spring has been very slow this year and will be compressed into a few weeks when it fully arrives.
Hepatica 'Louise Koehler' and a blue seedling both presently in bloom.
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Post by: gmoen on May 21, 2011, 07:13:39 AM
A couple of Hepaticas from the northern faced part of the garden, just before it's to late - all the rest have finished flowering by now.

1 A filled form of Hepatica nobilis 'Alba' collected in  Scandinavia (sorry for the poor quality, it's really tricky to get a good shoot of this flowers)
2 My semiplena of Hepatica nobilis that gives plenty of pollen
3 Close up of the semiplena
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Post by: Olga Bondareva on August 12, 2011, 07:04:18 AM
gmoen
Your hepaticas are beautiful and very interesting for crossing.
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Post by: Kristl Walek on September 01, 2011, 02:05:47 PM
I have seen many cut-leaf forms of Hepatic acutiloba in the wild in Ontario in the past; but this most recent clone found by my friend Graham is quite dramatic. He tells me that seedlings nearby all exhibited the same foliage.
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Post by: ChrisB on September 01, 2011, 03:32:47 PM
Lovely Kristl, you'll have to return to take pics when it flowers!
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Post by: mark smyth on September 01, 2011, 03:40:18 PM
very nice
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Post by: Natalia on September 03, 2011, 07:45:18 PM
gmoen, а very interesting form of white Hepatica! Blue semiplena Hepatica nobilis similar to the pollen found in our woods.

Kristl, magnificent foliage! Interesting, what flowers at them? :)
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Post by: WimB on September 07, 2011, 05:57:07 PM
I have seen many cut-leaf forms of Hepatic acutiloba in the wild in Ontario in the past; but this most recent clone found by my friend Graham is quite dramatic. He tells me that seedlings nearby all exhibited the same foliage.

Very nice, Kristl.

Like Chris and Natalia, I'm curious about the flowers too.
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Post by: Kristl Walek on September 07, 2011, 10:25:42 PM
I have seen many cut-leaf forms of Hepatic acutiloba in the wild in Ontario in the past; but this most recent clone found by my friend Graham is quite dramatic. He tells me that seedlings nearby all exhibited the same foliage.


Graham only discovered these this summer (after bloom).....and of course the plant went home with him. We won't know the flower colour until next spring; but I know the site where they were found---predominant colours there are pink and white; more rarely lilac/blue.

he has promised to return to the site for me & do some serious crawling around on hands and knees to find more variants.  ;)
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Post by: Natalia on September 10, 2011, 01:23:59 PM
Cristl, We will wait for foto of new finds!
And maybe the seeds ... :)
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Post by: t00lie on September 18, 2011, 11:18:37 AM
Hepatica white.

Cheers Dave.
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Post by: Natalia on October 04, 2011, 10:49:56 AM
Hot summer... As a result some Hepatica have blossomed the second time.
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 12, 2011, 06:00:47 PM
Hepatica autumnalis  ;D

They already start to flower now .....
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Post by: Natalia on November 14, 2011, 05:38:17 PM
:)
 Hepatica  -  ugly ducklings of autumn... What fine swans they will be in the spring!
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Post by: Gunilla on November 15, 2011, 02:31:43 PM
I agree, Natalia. Much nicer in the spring. It's not easy to compete with autumn colours  :D

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Post by: razvan chisu on November 16, 2011, 07:06:12 PM
I received Jurgen Peters' Hepatica book today along with the SRGC seed list.
Spring seems so far away!
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Post by: Olga Bondareva on November 17, 2011, 07:50:58 AM
Razvan what a pity it's in German.  :(
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Post by: razvan chisu on November 17, 2011, 12:03:15 PM
Yes, but I can speak German, and the pictures are good too.
There are 50 pictures of H. transsilvanica alone (I was really interested in this), information, pictures and classifications of the other species and forms. All in all I am pleased with it.
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Post by: Roma on November 17, 2011, 09:01:45 PM
Another out of season flowering Hepatica.  I was very happy to win this in the raffle at the SRGC Discussion Weekend. 
A not very good picture of Hepatica japonica 'Suien'
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Post by: angie on November 17, 2011, 09:56:24 PM
Roma I would have be very happy as well with that lovely white flower  8)

Angie :)
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Post by: razvan chisu on November 23, 2011, 12:49:36 PM
In his Hepatica book, Jurgen P lists 59 cultivars of Hepatica transsilvanica.
Many of them seem very similar (at least in the thumbnail-sized pictures in the book).

Could members who grow this species share pictures and information of cultivars they have (either from this list or not)

Here is his list:

- Adam
- Adda Scott
- Alba
- Alba Grethe
- Angela JP
- Anja JP
- Annegret Lund
- Barbarossa
- Beutnagels Weisse
- Big
- Blue Danube 
- Blue Dream
- Blumenstadt Erfurt
- Buis Strain
- Dark Form
- Donnerwolke JP
- Duevelsblau JP
- Eisfee JP
- Eisvogel
- Elison Spence
- Erfurt
- Flori JP
- G.R.Blau
- Grethe
- Hohenstein
- Januar-Februar
- Joker
- Karpatenkrone
- Konny Greenfield
- Loddon Blue
- M. Ahlburg
- Maerz
- Melanie JP
- M.M.
- Nadine JP
- Pale Blue
- Peter Majland
- Pink form
- Pure White
- Rosea
- Scharrer
- Schwanensee
- Semiplena JP
- Sensation
- Silver
- Stefans Blue
- Stefans Pink
- Sterni JP
- Struwelpeter
- Supernova
- Thiem
- Velikije Juki
- Was Nun
- Wechselspiel JP
- Weinreichs Blau
- Weinreichs Weiss
- Winterfreude
- Zwerg
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Post by: Rob on November 23, 2011, 09:54:25 PM
I grow Hepatica transsilvanica 'Pink Form', but have only had it for a couple of years.

It is growing OK, I've only got an old picture, if I remember I'll post another next year when it flowers.


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Post by: Michael J Campbell on November 23, 2011, 10:17:14 PM
Here are a few of mine from last spring.
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Post by: Diane Clement on November 23, 2011, 10:45:54 PM
I'll add a couple of my pictures:
H transsilvanica 'De Buis' (same as Buis strain or form)
H transsilvanica 'Ada Scott'
and reminder that 'Connie Greenfield' (sometimes spelled as Konny) is the same as 'Elison Spence' - see this thread for more information on the name http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4882.305 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4882.305)

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Post by: Gunilla on November 25, 2011, 08:29:08 AM
I have pictures of some of the transsilvanicas on the list.

1. H. transsilvanica - white
2. H. t. 'Eisvogel' - white flowers with a little blue colour on the back
3. 'Elison Spence'
4. 'Karpatenkrone -  very big flowers
5. 'Supernova' - dark blue
6. 'Blue Jewel' - not on the list. I think Jurgen Peter has it as Hepatica x media but RHS as transsilvanica
7. 'Schwanensee' - similar to 'Lilacina'
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Post by: Gunilla on November 25, 2011, 08:33:08 AM
Sorry, here is ' Schwanensee' .
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Post by: razvan chisu on November 27, 2011, 07:44:12 AM
Thank you Rob, Michael, Diane and Gunilla for these pictures.
I guess more will show up next spring when hepaticas will be in bloom.
Both from your pictures and Jurgens I can see that the blue h. transsilvanica in cultivation mostly has subtle variations, not like nobilis or the japanese ones.
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