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Title: Holubec seed list
Post by: Ulla Hansson on November 21, 2010, 04:32:39 PM
Does anybody know if Holubec has come up with a new seed list.
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: WimB on November 21, 2010, 05:07:17 PM
He has. I'll e-mail it to you.

If anyone else wants it, you can find it on the forum of the VRV: http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=49.msg4972#msg4972
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Maggi Young on November 21, 2010, 08:03:15 PM
It doesn't seem to be online yet
 but I'll attach it here:
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http://fleurs-des-montagnes.net/WSeed10.pdf
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: cohan on November 22, 2010, 02:11:26 AM
yes, unfortunately the list is out...lol
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Maggi Young on November 22, 2010, 01:39:33 PM
yes, unfortunately the list is out...lol
I see... able to resist everything except temptation, eh, Cohan?  ;D
There's a lot of that about when it comes to seed and plant lists!
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: TheOnionMan on November 22, 2010, 02:04:11 PM
yes, unfortunately the list is out...lol

I agree, unfortunately the list is out :(  Sometimes it really stinks being on an unemployment budget!
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: cohan on November 22, 2010, 07:13:58 PM
yes, unfortunately the list is out...lol
I see... able to resist everything except temptation, eh, Cohan?  ;D
There's a lot of that about when it comes to seed and plant lists!

yep, that's it :(
i have been checking regularly for an update at alplains, none so far, a week later than last year's update... getting nervous he will be retiring like everyone else...lol
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: cohan on November 22, 2010, 07:18:06 PM
should note, pavelka's list is also out:
http://www.pavelkaalpines.cz/seed-list.htm
as well as alpine seeds (sorry, i don't know the name of person or persons behind this one):
http://www.alpine-seeds.com/
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Maggi Young on November 22, 2010, 08:06:19 PM

as well as alpine seeds (sorry, i don't know the name of person or persons behind this one):
http://www.alpine-seeds.com/
   Vladislav Piatek is the fellow there.
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: cohan on November 22, 2010, 10:46:20 PM
tks, maggi, some nice things on that list, too, including some woodlanders, but no indication of whether they are moist packed, so might be pointless to buy those ephemeral seeds at this time?
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Maggi Young on November 22, 2010, 10:55:26 PM
Haven't heard whether they are moist packed..... someone else may know....... ???
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: cohan on November 22, 2010, 11:44:45 PM
Haven't heard whether they are moist packed..... someone else may know....... ???

of course, if i decide i have money to spare for an order, i can just ask  ;D if that happens (not imminent) i will report..lol..they were good at answering some question i had in the past..
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Diane Clement on November 23, 2010, 07:16:49 AM
tks, maggi, some nice things on that list, too, including some woodlanders, but no indication of whether they are moist packed, so might be pointless to buy those ephemeral seeds at this time? 

Cohan, which on the list do you reckon are ephemeral and need moist packing?
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: cohan on November 24, 2010, 10:30:40 AM
tks, maggi, some nice things on that list, too, including some woodlanders, but no indication of whether they are moist packed, so might be pointless to buy those ephemeral seeds at this time? 

Cohan, which on the list do you reckon are ephemeral and need moist packing?

i'd have to go back and look again, but i was thinking of hepatica, there may have been corydalis, eranthis, others..
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Darren on November 29, 2010, 08:07:44 AM
Can anyone who has ordered Holubec seed from the UK tell me which they find the easiest way to pay? Last time I ordered seed from the Czech republic I just used to put cash in the envelope but this seems to be more risky now.

Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Lori S. on November 29, 2010, 01:17:45 PM
I bought a money order in Euros... seemed to work fine.
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Darren on November 29, 2010, 03:26:44 PM
Not available in the UK Lori, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Lori S. on November 29, 2010, 03:46:11 PM
One can purchase money orders in various currencies (or at least in the most commonly-traded ones) at banks here... not so there though?
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: maggiepie on November 29, 2010, 05:30:41 PM
Lori, several years ago I purchased a money order in US dollars and sent off to a seed company in the US.
6 months later, it was returned to me, the guy told me he couldn't get it cashed anywhere and could I please just send some cash.
Weird huh?

Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Diane Whitehead on November 29, 2010, 05:46:55 PM
Helen, was that a postal money order?  They are available here in Canada
to send to the U.S., but there are complications about cashing them there.

Postal money orders are common for Commonwealth countries -
when I worked in New Zealand I never went to a bank - my savings were
kept at the post office.

You can get international money orders at banks - it costs about $10 to get
one here in Canada - and they are available in various currencies, but not all.
 The Czech banks don't seem to have an agreement with Canada, so money
orders for the CR are written to either German or Austrian banks, which I
guess have branches in the CR.

 
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Lori S. on November 29, 2010, 06:53:03 PM
It was an international money order from a bank, not a postal one.  (One can only get postal money orders in US currency, it seems, not Euros or anything more exotic.)  And yes, it (or both?) both had to be written to a bank in Munich.  

I'll have to look back, but I believe this method was one of the requested methods of payment from both Holubec and Pavelka last year, and I didn't get any indication back that anything was amiss.

Edit:  Perhaps "money order" is not the correct term for this... ?   "Bank draft" may be the actual term (yes, it is)... again, I'll have to look back at my copies, if it is of use to anyone to know for sure.
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Lotte Hansen on November 29, 2010, 06:59:58 PM
Isn't it possible to use PayPal?

Kind regards  Lotte
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: ashley on November 29, 2010, 07:08:24 PM
Bank drafts are available here too, and I suppose in all European countries, for payments in foreign currencies.  They're quite expensive but sometimes the only option.
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: cohan on November 29, 2010, 07:25:45 PM
i ordered last year from both holubec and pavelka, and used cash both times (actually split the holubec order, for the patagonian and regular list, so as to have less cash in one envelope in case anything went wrong)..all 3 payments arrived in good order and timely fashion.
i was nervous sending cash, but the other options i looked at were so much more expensive, that it would have been 1/3 or half the cost-a guaranteed loss of money, vs a possible loss of money if something happened to the cash!

last i knew, neither used paypal, too bad, that would be easy and cheap for everyone involved! does paypal not work there easily?
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Diane Clement on November 29, 2010, 08:08:10 PM
last i knew, neither used paypal, too bad, that would be easy and cheap for everyone involved! does paypal not work there easily? 

Unfortunately, Paypal doesn't work in the Czech Republic, or this would be the easy solution.  I have always used cash in a registered envelope and it seems to work OK. 
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: cohan on November 30, 2010, 06:13:21 AM
last i knew, neither used paypal, too bad, that would be easy and cheap for everyone involved! does paypal not work there easily? 

Unfortunately, Paypal doesn't work in the Czech Republic, or this would be the easy solution.  I have always used cash in a registered envelope and it seems to work OK. 

of course it all depends on the size/value of the order, and what your post office charges for registered mail--my orders were fairly modest, something like 30-40 cdn dollars, if i remember correctly, and to even register the letter would be another $10 or more..i took my chances without--so i saved at least $30 on three envelopes, so if i lost another of similar value, i still wouldn't be any farther behind....
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Great Moravian on November 30, 2010, 11:37:17 AM
Unfortunately, Paypal doesn't work in the Czech Republic
Paysec works. The reason is undoubtedly different.
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Herminarik on November 30, 2010, 08:28:01 PM
PayPal works too, but I am afraid that mostly the older generation here is a little bit conservative as regards „modern” payment method. If I have to send cash in the envelope, I put money in the CD-wrappage and I send them as a registered letter.
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: ashley on December 01, 2010, 09:35:52 AM
Henrik,

Paypal is poorly designed, intrusive and generally unpleasant to use, so like many people I avoid it as much possible.  If that makes me old and conservative then fine ;) ;D
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: TheOnionMan on December 01, 2010, 01:44:33 PM
Henrik,

Paypal is poorly designed, intrusive and generally unpleasant to use, so like many people I avoid it as much possible.  If that makes me old and conservative then fine ;) ;D

I agree Ashley, I refuse to use Paypal.  In my old workplace, we had never-ending issues using Paypal, which seemed impossible to rectify, so we used other methods of payment for all of our I.T. software and hardware procurements.
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: cohan on December 02, 2010, 01:02:28 AM
too bad about paypal; i've only used it a couple of times, and it was easy and without problems for those very limited transactions;
it just seems in this electronic age, there must be a better alternative to expensive bank drafts and risky envelopes stuffed with bills :(

i've noticed some vendors seem to have some sort of banking information which i assume would be something like depositing to their accounts from a  bank in another country, is that correct, and has anyone used this method?
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: arillady on December 02, 2010, 01:29:34 AM
I have recently used internet international bank transfer to Czech Republic. Unfortunately I somehow did it twice so now am going through the paces of getting the second transfer back. It costs $20 Australia to do the transfer and is costing $25 for the recovery. I have sent cash in the past without problems as far as I know - in the other currency as it is only about $5 to exchange. This time it was a bit more currency involved.
I would have used paypal if it was available as I have only had one problem that was resolved fairly readily. I find paypal a god send.
Pat in South Australia
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: cohan on December 02, 2010, 01:31:44 AM
ouch! that becomes pricey indeed :(
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on December 02, 2010, 08:28:34 AM
I've sent cash regularly in the past - the only payment that ever got lost was 60 £ to the UK that was sent "registered"....   :'( >:(-
After 6 months, x-phone calls and x mails, I recovered 32 € from the insurance of the Belgian Mail service...  :(  that was the maximum refund for a registered consignment.
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Maggi Young on December 02, 2010, 11:42:24 AM
I use paypal quite a lot and I must say I've found it very convenient.

There are problems with any system, I suppose  and if one has come up against those one's opinion is affected accordingly.

 For me and many I know, paypal is very useful indeed.
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Herminarik on December 09, 2010, 05:34:10 PM
Hello everybody,

Vojta Holubec seed list 2010/11 is just available on this address:
http://fleurs-des-montagnes.net/WSeed10.pdf

Cheers Igor.
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: arillady on December 11, 2010, 09:01:45 AM
The second payment I made using internet international transfer to the Czech Republic has arrived back in my account.  :D
Like Maggi says - it all depends on what we experience with any situation as to if we use them again.
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Lori S. on January 06, 2011, 02:12:23 AM
I just got a bank draft for a Czech seed order at no cost, only the exchange.  Something to do with my account allowing this... I was certainly not going to argue it! 
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: arillady on January 06, 2011, 03:24:54 AM
Lucky you Lori
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Diane Whitehead on January 06, 2011, 07:13:42 AM
Aha!  Lori, you must be 55 or older.  Canadian banks don't charge service fees
to us "senior citizens".
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Great Moravian on January 06, 2011, 11:28:29 AM
Aha!  Lori, you must be 55 or older.  Canadian banks don't charge service fees
to us "senior citizens".
Fantastic. Other banks should learn how to do it in Canada. We pay naturally all charges.
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Lori S. on January 06, 2011, 02:42:36 PM
Aha!  Lori, you must be 55 or older.  Canadian banks don't charge service fees
to us "senior citizens".

Hmm, they'd have to be off in their math if that was the case, but it's good to know about!  Thinking about service fees puts me in mind of something funny that I read:  People used to rob banks.  Now the banks rob you.   :o
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Maggi Young on January 06, 2011, 02:47:36 PM
Oh, Lori, if you still think that folks in banks can actually count you are too trusting  ;) I suspect that any type of arithmetical or math skills are not even expected from bank employees now.
Ian went  in to our bank  recently with three cheques of tiny amounts to pay in and the Teller used a calculator to add up the total, which was about £16..... feeble!  :'( >:(

 P.S. I knew you are only 25  !  :-*
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Lori S. on January 06, 2011, 03:08:28 PM
P.S. I knew you are only 25  !  :-*

Yeah, I wish, Maggi!!  I'm at the age where I wouldn't mind having that time to do over again! ;D

Not just math but geography too... I was a little surprised at how long it took to locate a bank in Europe from which to draw the funds, despite that I kept telling them that I did this very same transaction last year a couple of times, and that the funds were drawn from a bank in Munich.  After I explained that Munich was in Germany, it helped... then when I thought to mention that Munich was the same as "München", it went slick as a whistle!   ;D
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: PeterT on January 06, 2011, 07:20:07 PM
Can anyone who has ordered Holubec seed from the UK tell me which they find the easiest way to pay? Last time I ordered seed from the Czech republic I just used to put cash in the envelope but this seems to be more risky now.


I have had great problems  trying to send money from the UK to the Czech republic. The post office said they could insure cash sent by some kind of registered mail - but not to the Czech republic. Three banks would give me a money order in Euros for a substantial fee if I cared to apply for one to their foreign currency office which would send it to my branch which would then send it on to me, the recipients were not on pay pal, I think the post office could also  give me some kind of money order for a substantial fee. My bank would also let me open a euro account from which I could send cheques -a quarterly administration fee of £25.00 to maintain the account and other charges!

I paid through German friends who transferred money on line from their German bank account to the accounts of the merchants in question. This transaction was free and apparently quite normal for them, just the way they ordinarily pay bills from day to day -with no fees or charges involved.

THE MORAL OF THE TALE IS GET A GERMAN BANK ACCOUNT OR SOME GERMAN FRIENDS

Leonid Bondarenco in Lithuania suggested to me that he may be on pay pal next year though he accepts cheques in GB Pounds   
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Darren on January 13, 2011, 08:12:16 AM
Thanks for all your replies to my question above, and I had several private messages and e-mails relating their experiences.

In the end I decided as an experiment to place a small order before Christmas and simply sent the appropriate amount as sterling notes in an unregistered envelope. The seeds arrived on Tuesday this week without any problems.

If thefts are taking place within postal systems then I figured (Luc's comment supports this) that registering an  envelope or using any 'special delivery' simply marks that envelope as a target.
Title: Re: Holubec seed list
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 13, 2011, 02:29:25 PM
Good for you Darren !
I sent out several payments over the Christmas period, with money hidden between Christmas cards....
not one single problem !!  :D ;)
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