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Title: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ian mcenery on June 05, 2007, 09:08:59 PM
Thought you might like to see some pictures from my recent trip to Bhutan with some AGS friends
everest
 airport-paro
 rhod-cinnabarinum
 rhod-cinnabarinum-shrub
 arisaema-griffithii
 rhod.-triflorum
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ian mcenery on June 05, 2007, 09:10:36 PM
Just a few more to keep you going
 market
 primula
 p-calderiana-ssp-strumosa1
 prim-calderiana-ssp-strumosa
 primula-griffithii
 prim-griff-in-bulk

Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Maggi Young on June 05, 2007, 10:11:07 PM
I thought you had been a bit quiet lately, Ian... now we know why! Looks like another great trip... fab pix... I will patiently await any and all others you care to share here! Great colour on the R. cinnabarinum...you could never miss that, could you? And how super are those primulas? Fantastic! Thanks!
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Paddy Tobin on June 05, 2007, 10:58:23 PM
Ian,

R. cinnabarinum and P. griffithii are simply stunningly coloured plants. Great to see these, wonderful photographs. But come on now, you must have taken many many more and I would certainly like to see some - when you are ready.

Paddy
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ian mcenery on June 05, 2007, 11:03:14 PM
This trip was mostly 2 separate treks with time spent at altitudes mostly between 3600 and 4200 metres. Surprising how high some of the Rhodos were growing. We found about 14 different species - not all in flower. Here are a few more plants the Meconopsis shows single plants and the photo following shows them in bulk - they are the golden spots in the grass. These were at about 4200 m. Also views of the famous Tigers nest monastery where we also found flowers. Can anyone identify the anemone?

meconopsis -paniculata
 mec-in-situ.
 acer-griseum
 tak-sung-monastery-tigers-nest
 tiger1.
 bryocarpum-himalayaicum
 anemone
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Paddy Tobin on June 05, 2007, 11:12:42 PM
Now that is what I call a quick response, Ian.

Another wonderful selection of photographs. That monastery is in an incredible situation. Perhaps the first abbot had very unpleasany  in-laws.

The anemone in the last photograph is fabulous as it the previous photograph of bryocarpum hima. Both are completely new to me.

Many thanks for these photographs.

Paddy
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Anthony Darby on June 05, 2007, 11:40:56 PM
Fantastic shots. Must have been a wonderful trip. 8)
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ian mcenery on June 06, 2007, 12:05:21 AM
As I took rather a lot of photos I'm sorry there are more still more and it takes a long time to alter the photos for the site. I'm tired now so off to bed.

Interested to know if anyone can identify picture 3

home-sweet-home
 rhodo-arboreum
 question-what-is-it
 4200m-looking-up-at6am
 rhodo-thomsonii1
 rhodo-thomsonii-variety
 anemone-obtusiloba-maybe1.
 anemone-obtusiloba-maybe2
 anemone-obtusiloba-maybe
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 06, 2007, 02:42:36 AM
Super pictures Ian, let's have some more please.

How long did it take you to climb Mt Everest? ;D ;D ;D

Well obviously, the yellow no 3 pic has to be an erythronium just about to open; the form called var. veryfineuprightifolium ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 06, 2007, 02:46:43 AM
The Bryocarpum has been on my wants list for at least 40 years, ever since a black and white photo in a very old AGS Bulletin. It's a primula relative. I always thought it was purple. I'm surprised to see the yellow, but then how do you tell from a b and w photo? :)
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: David Nicholson on June 06, 2007, 09:35:39 AM
MAGNIFICANT, more please Ian, what a cracking picture of Everest
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Ian Minty on June 06, 2007, 10:25:53 AM
Excellent pics, Ian.
The pics of the anemones, primulas were stunning.
The yellow one looks a bit like a  yellow version of a white sissyrincchium douglassi that I had.
I would love to see all that meconopsis in flower.
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Ian Y on June 06, 2007, 11:25:08 AM
Wonderful pictures Ian what a lovely trip you have had and are now sharing with us.
I suspect your pic 3 is a Lloydia.
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Ian Minty on June 06, 2007, 11:51:36 AM
What type of anemone is the pink one.
I would love one of those?
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ian mcenery on June 06, 2007, 11:36:25 PM
Thanks for all your kind comments

Lesley when I first found the Bryocarpum it was not in flower and I thought I had found a Omphalogramma. Our Bhutanese guide called the plant Bhutanese spinach though there did not seem enough about to make a meal

Ian Y can you speculate on which Lloydia?

If anyone can sghed light on some of our finds it would be useful

Here are a few more

podophyllum-hexandrum
 sonam-our-guide
 trillidium-govanianum
 rhodo-anthopogon1
 rosa-sericea
 cassiope-fastigiata


Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 07, 2007, 01:10:13 AM
These are all stunners Ian. Wouldn't it be wonderful to have that red foliage on one's own Podophyllum? I wonder what causes that colouring?
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ian mcenery on June 07, 2007, 09:49:34 AM
Lesley maybe it's the altitude and the cold nights. Here is a picture of a small group coming through in grass. Altitude is about 3800m
Podophyllum hexandrum in bulk.
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Paddy Tobin on June 07, 2007, 10:07:33 AM
Ian,

The photograph of Rosa sericea brought back memories - not the most pleasant memories. I grew it in the garden, from seed, and it was  the most viciously thorned bush you could imagine. A dangerous thing.

The podophyllum is excellent.
Paddy
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Ian Y on June 07, 2007, 06:19:55 PM
Ian it is difficult to be very specific with the Lloydia as the are not too well documented but I would favour it being L.flavonutans or also possibly but less likely is L. tibetica.
We have Rosa sericea in flower just now it was raised from seed collected by Alastair McKelvie.
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ian mcenery on June 07, 2007, 08:44:17 PM
Hi Ian thanks for the identification

Paddy and Ian Rosa sericea was everywhere at 2300m up to 3900 but was only in flower at the lower levels where some of the forms were lovely

A few more piccies, First our organisor and tour leader Sonam who made eveerything go like clockwork

Would like some help in identifying picture 3 which is until now given a ficticious (private joke) name
 sonam-guide and tour org
 the-road-ahead
 liguraphyllum-haha
 salix-sp
 character-face1
 chomaalari-at-4.30am
 rhodo-campanulatum-aerugino
 corydalis-cashmeriana

 

Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 07, 2007, 10:03:00 PM
But isn't pic 3 the Lloydia?   ED: Lloydia is pic no. 3 in this post, on page one: « Reply #7 on: June 06, 2007, 12:05:21 AM  
That's a wonderful wee Salix too.
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Diane Clement on June 07, 2007, 11:11:08 PM

Would like some help in identifying picture 3 which is until now given a ficticious (private joke) name

Is it a Syneilesis? - the only one I know in the genus is S aconitifolia (which it does look like), but I expect there are others. 
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ian mcenery on June 07, 2007, 11:37:15 PM
Diane I don't think it's that one I have 2 types of Synielesis myself and while it's similar it is not as reptilian. One thing almost certain is that it is in the aster family
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ian mcenery on June 07, 2007, 11:47:04 PM
Lesley I know it's a little late to say this but you mentioned that the Bryocarpum had been on your hit list for 40 years. Are you keeping something from me? - I thought you were only 39!!!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ian mcenery on June 07, 2007, 11:56:55 PM
Just a few more. Let me know when you get fed up!

The first is standing room only and was a second home to me

The Ranuculus? in picture 6 also needs some identification any ideas? This was quite a substancial plant over 18" tall (50cm) which we found in only one place but in great no's

guess-what?
 rhododendron-keysii.
 cornus-capitata-maybe.
 primula gracliipes-or-petiolaris.
 paris-polyphyllum
 ranunculus
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 08, 2007, 12:18:37 AM
Firstly, my apologies for referring above to the OTHER pic 3. Forget I spoke.

So far Ian, all I've done is prove I can't count properly, so who knows HOW old I am. It may be the weather. Snowing heavily here today and after the Indian summer of a week ago it's a bit hard on the system. My outside thermometer says 2C at almost mid day. The flakes are very large, at least 5cms across so that a single flake, if it hits amidships, covers an entire leaf of the climbing rose outside my kitchen window.

Another wild guess for the last but one pic 3, would be another Podophyllum species? But not if it's in the aster family of course.
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ian mcenery on June 09, 2007, 12:21:43 AM
Here is a picture of Bhutans national flower Meconopsis Horridula Unfortunately not in flower. This variety has only one flower per stalk unlike the thing I grow. The was found growing high up on an exposed ridge in rhodo scrub


meconopsis-horridula
 rhododendron-griersonianum
 rhododendron-griersonianum 1
 head-in-the-clouds
 bergenia-stracheyii
 anemone-trullifolia-maybe
 rhodiola

Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Brian Ellis on June 09, 2007, 10:08:45 AM
A most interesting topic Ian.  Everytime I log on and see there is a reply I am intrigued to see what treasures you have added.  Thank you
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ian mcenery on June 09, 2007, 10:47:22 PM
Glad you are enjoying them Brian

probably the last as I'm running out of steam

moving-today
 rhododendron lanatum
 fern-name
 rhododendron hodgsonii
 graham-and-the-giant-hemloc
 happy-kids
 clematis montana
 interesting-fern
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Anthony Darby on June 10, 2007, 12:10:54 AM
That Meconopsis horridula appears to only have one flower bud? Mine produces a multitude of flowers on one stem. ???
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ian mcenery on June 10, 2007, 02:24:49 PM
Hi Anthony as I said on my post it is the Bhutanese national flower and they told me that a single flower per stem is the norm. Mine are as yours multi flowered so ether we or they have the wrong thing. The one they grow is very beautiful and very blue unlike the violet and muddy strains most of us have. I think this area in biennial meconopsis is pretty confused anyway would be interesting if there is anyone out there who can shed some light on this one
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 10, 2007, 10:46:38 PM
I certainly can't shed any light in a botanical way but I wonder if their mecs are single flowered simply because they are in the wild and under harder conditions. Mine have up to 3 stems per plant with multiple buds and after flowering and seeding - which they do prolifically - the whole plant dies. My foliage looks softer than the one in the pic and floppier somehow. It really does look rather like a different species from mine.
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ian mcenery on June 15, 2007, 07:34:34 PM
Need an id on the rhodo? please. Very dwarf growing on a rock


Also a primula which was only about 3" high like a mini denticulata


Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Maggi Young on June 15, 2007, 07:58:14 PM
Not sure about what that enchanting little primula might be... what a cracker! I reckon the rhodo is a R. nivale of some sort.
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 17, 2007, 12:56:51 AM
Ian, do you have a pic of the Primula which shows the foliage clearly? Could at least tell which group then.
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ian mcenery on June 23, 2007, 09:50:18 PM
Sorry Maggi and Lesley I have been away again with the family. The other photos were out of focus for the foliage but it was like a miniscule denticlata in foliage and flower if that helps
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: dan on July 03, 2007, 08:25:25 PM
 :) I must say thankyou for sharing your pictures with us all Ian, they are absolutley stunning especially that unidentified anemone! Thye ahve certainly brightened my day up with all the terrible weather and flooding we'ver had lately.
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ranunculus on July 10, 2007, 09:05:45 PM
Only just discovered this thread Ian, what a magnificent trip and such wonderful images. Many, many thanks.  It looks a little different to our joint strolls in the Dolomites!!!
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ian mcenery on July 11, 2007, 08:16:14 PM
Just returned from another trip to the Dolomites well someone has to do it.
Thank you all for your kind comments. Cliff all cyps were finished but the flowers of most alpines still good higher up

When I get time I will show some shots
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ranunculus on August 02, 2007, 08:02:21 PM
Ian....you may be able to identify your stunning anemone at the following link:-

MY APOLOGIES...THE LINK IS TO A PDF FILE AND WILL NOT DOWNLOAD DIRECTLY. YOU WILL NEED TO GO TO THE FOLLOWING PAGE:-


http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayIssue?jid=EJB&volumeId=64&issueId=01



AND OPEN THE PDF FILE FROM THE APPROPRIATE LINK UNDER THE HEADING:-



REVISION OF ANEMONE SECT. HIMALAYICAE (RANUNCULACEAE) WITH THREE NEW SERIES

Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ian mcenery on August 03, 2007, 12:43:10 AM
Thanks for the lead Cliff though my eyes may heal up reading the botanical data

Can you help with this one its from the Dolomites?

Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 03, 2007, 01:43:01 AM
Well it looks suspiciously like a buttercup to me but the gentleman above will know for sure, and which one.
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ranunculus on August 03, 2007, 07:53:12 AM
Well Ian,
Did you stumble across this beautiful buttercup at Falzarego, on the route back down from Lagazuoi  -  or on the busy bend at the top of the Sella Pass?
It is the large leaf form of the gorgeous R. seguieri....a plant 'very' dear to my heart (two Farrer Medals many moons ago with the more filigreed leaf form), but I do have a number of established plants of this particular form (from seed collected at Lagazuoi), which strongly resembles (but isn't, of course) a cross between R. seguieri and R. glacialis. I would be interested to know where you found it and the date if possible?  Many thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ian mcenery on August 03, 2007, 10:14:27 AM
Cliff I will send detail you requested as a seperate email
Title: Re: Recent trip to Bhutan
Post by: ranunculus on August 03, 2007, 11:04:18 AM
Many thanks Ian,
I thought it would be from Lagazuoi.....a buttercup addict never forgets his best fixes!
I still dream about my first encounters with R. glacialis on the Hintertux.....sends shudders down the spine.
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