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Title: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on May 30, 2010, 03:34:01 PM: We are just 11 days from the 2010 World Cup and as I can see we have representatives from many nations that will participate.
Although it is rather strange for an American to introduce a Soccer topic I am a bit of an a 'unusual' American when it comes to soccer.

I spent 15 years with the game as the team physio for the NY Cosmos and then the United States National Team. I have attached the full picture that serves as my ID on the SRGC. Aston Villa's Brad Freidel was one of my under-16 players way back when.

I think the discussion can take any direction as long as there are no yellow and red card offenses and we follow the rules of FIFA "Fair Play".

I for one are interested in the weather at the various SA sites. I've looked at a map and some of the cities may have wet cold weather.

So lets have a go.

Can anyone beat the Brazilians!
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: daveyp1970 on May 30, 2010, 04:08:08 PM: Arnold i'd like to think its Englands year our starting table shouldn't cause too many hiccups but unless we get an easy ride to the finals i can't see us winning.I think its a pretty safe bet to say a South American side will lift the cup this year,but who ever wins it it's going to be fantastic.BRING ON THE WORLD CUP ;D ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ranunculus on May 30, 2010, 04:36:09 PM: Well, Japan just beat themselves today ... they scored three superb goals to lose 2-1. If they can take penalties as well then they should prove unbeatable ... unless they are drawn against Japan!!!! An occidental conundrum from the man who baffles himself most of the time. LOL. ??? ;D

It's your fault Arnold ... you started it!

Who do Scotland play?
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 30, 2010, 04:48:53 PM: If we had Thierry Henry on our team we could win it. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/republicofireland/6599687/Thierry-Henry-admits-to-handball-that-defeated-Ireland-in-World-Cup-play-off.html
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on May 30, 2010, 05:17:02 PM: Mike:

Thierry Henry would be an asset if we played "hand ball"....
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on May 30, 2010, 06:33:31 PM: Michael, I thought you only had to say you liked Guinness, or to spread Kerrygold on your toast, to qualify to play for the R of I these days ;D

Scotland's football team is, of course, well known, for not having qualified for any tournament held this century :P Indeed the Scottish FA only ever book one night's bed and breakfast for the team for all competitions.

Arnold, it wouldn't surprise me if your lot gave my lot a bit of a shock.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: daveyp1970 on May 30, 2010, 06:58:36 PM: Quote from: David Nicholson on May 30, 2010, 06:33:31 PM
Michael, I thought you only had to say you liked Guinness, or to spread Kerrygold on your toast, to qualify to play for the R of I these days ;D

Scotland's football team is, of course, well known, for not having qualified for any tournament held this century :P Indeed the Scottish FA only ever book one night's bed and breakfast for the team for all competitions.

Arnold, it wouldn't surprise me if your lot gave my lot a bit of a shock.
how funny ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 30, 2010, 07:09:14 PM: Quote
Michael, I thought you only had to say you liked Guinness, or to spread Kerrygold on your toast, to qualify to play for the R of I these days Grin

Or come from one the six occupied Counties. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on May 30, 2010, 07:13:40 PM: Quote from: Michael J Campbell on May 30, 2010, 07:09:14 PM
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Michael, I thought you only had to say you liked Guinness, or to spread Kerrygold on your toast, to qualify to play for the R of I these days Grin

Or be from one the six occupied Counties. ;D

History has a lot to answer for Michael ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: alpines on May 30, 2010, 09:06:36 PM: ...and pity me!!!! An Englishman living in the USA. Just as well neither of them will win. You've got to fancy Spain...or maybe Argentina. So by my flawless prediction history, I reckon Lesley's mob...the Kiwi's, are hot favorites, especially having just caused a riot in Serbia !!!
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: alpines on May 30, 2010, 09:12:15 PM: ...and having been deprived of some decent football conversation for the last 4 years (talk 'football' to an American and they immediately don shoulder pads and start talking about Bears and Cowboys), you might never get me off this thread. And where did the word 'soccer' come from anyway? When a foot kicks a ball....that makes it 'football. What have socks got to do with it? Answers on a shin pad please.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: daveyp1970 on May 30, 2010, 09:28:31 PM: Quote from: alpines on May 30, 2010, 09:06:36 PM
...and pity me!!!! An Englishman living in the USA. Just as well neither of them will win. You've got to fancy Spain...or maybe Argentina. So by my flawless prediction history, I reckon Lesley's mob...the Kiwi's, are hot favorites, especially having just caused a riot in Serbia !!!
that was fantastic result for the all whites(im sure I've read somewhere they've called the New Zealand side that) against Serbia.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 30, 2010, 09:41:09 PM: Yes, the NZ side are called "All Whites" as distinct from the "All Blacks" who are our rugby team. And the All Whites beat Serbia yesterday, (but wearing all black while the Serbians wore all white. Confused? ??? )The Serbians weren't very happy about it apparently. They're ranked around 8-10 in the world or similar while NZ is ranked about 798th. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: alpines on May 30, 2010, 10:27:25 PM: You New Zealanders cause trouble wherever you go ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 30, 2010, 11:05:30 PM: And have much pleasure in doing so. ;D Well, we have to be useful for something. ::)
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on May 31, 2010, 08:42:27 AM: I guess all the self proclaimed hot favourites can consider themselves very luck that our frightening "Red Devils" are absent... 8) ;D ;D
We are too busy enjoying our hollidays to get involved in such a non-event such as the worldcup... ;D ;D ;) :o :-X

Enough Jokes !
I think Spain will be hard to beat, but in the end Brasil will be on top again !
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: fermi de Sousa on May 31, 2010, 09:45:42 AM: I thought someone said Germany won.... ???
Ohh, that was Eurovision! ;D Much of a muchness to me ;D
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on May 31, 2010, 09:53:57 AM: We shall be in some backwoods town in Oregon when England are playing in the final. I shall probably have to find an Irish bar for Mrs W to sit in and watch it. In the meantime there will be two weeks of peace before we go as she sits glued to the tv.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ranunculus on May 31, 2010, 10:05:13 AM: Quote from: fermides on May 31, 2010, 09:45:42 AM

Ohh, that was Eurovision! ;D Much of a muchness to me ;D

fermi

Oh Fermi,
The Eurovision features lots of flamboyant, overpaid, truculent and narcissistic performers prancing about their stage, kissing, overacting, snarling and underachieving ... Ah, I see what you mean! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ranunculus on May 31, 2010, 10:11:29 AM: Quote from: Tony Willis on May 31, 2010, 09:53:57 AM
We shall be in some backwoods town in Oregon when England are playing in the final ...

... And we should be in the Dolomites Tony ... downing white wine and singing patriotic songs ... Brazilian; Italian; Spanish; Japanese ... who knows? :D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: TC on May 31, 2010, 11:56:05 AM: World cup? Who gives a monkey's!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: David Shaw on May 31, 2010, 07:47:48 PM: I seem to remember that the last world cup was in 1966, wasn't it?
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on May 31, 2010, 07:59:26 PM: You mean when Stiles, Charlton, Moore and Hurst were household names.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Paddy Tobin on May 31, 2010, 08:22:07 PM: If it rains, I will watch some of the games. If not, I will garden etc as usual.

Arnold, nice photograph with Pele. Great player. Great memory to have.

Paddy
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on May 31, 2010, 09:10:01 PM: Quote from: David Shaw on May 31, 2010, 07:47:48 PM
I seem to remember that the last world cup was in 1966, wasn't it?

Were Rotherham in Division 1 then?? ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on May 31, 2010, 09:11:01 PM: Quote from: TC on May 31, 2010, 11:56:05 AM
World cup? Who gives a monkey's!!!!!!!!!!

Are but Tom, if only you had a team in it you might think differently ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on June 01, 2010, 02:32:31 AM: Paddy:

The picture is a great memory for a number of reasons it was taken at Windows on the World the restaurant that was a top the World Trade Center.

Arnold
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: TC on June 01, 2010, 10:36:57 AM: Quote from: David Nicholson on May 31, 2010, 09:11:01 PM
Quote from: TC on May 31, 2010, 11:56:05 AM
World cup? Who gives a monkey's!!!!!!!!!!

Are but Tom, if only you had a team in it you might think differently ;D

Strangely enough David, the answer is still the same. I think that football is a complete waste of time. The last professional game I saw was in 1947 when I was dragged to Ibrox to worship Glasgow Rangers. Professional sport leaves me cold. It's all about big money. This also goes for the Olympic games. However, I have one claim to fame, I played against Real Madrid in 1957. My team was beaten 40-1 ---but that's another story!!
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on June 01, 2010, 10:50:59 AM: You have to tell us more about that Tom! My own claim to fame is playing against Denis Law and Bill Shankly. This was when Shankly was manager of Huddersfield Town and Denis Law was in the youth team and just about to break through to the first team squad. Both of them lived near to me and used to join the local kids for Sunday morning kick arounds in the local rec. I dreamed of Shankly inviting me for a trial but he failed to recognise my undoubted class :P
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on June 01, 2010, 11:27:07 AM: David:

Heard the best soccer quote that was attributed to Bill Shankly. "Soccer isn't a matter of life and death, it's more important than that"
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: TC on June 01, 2010, 11:39:57 AM: In July 1957, my school was on holiday in Blanes, in the Costa Brava in Spain. We made friends with the locals and they challenged us to a football match. We had trouble making up a team as there were only about 20 males and most of them were rugby players. At the appointed time we went to the local football pitch which was more like a small stadium. To our surprise, the place was filled with spectators. The local lad who had organised the match came out onto the field and told us the joke - we would be playing Real Madrid. To avoid the summer heat in Madrid, the team came down to the coast for training. We had been well and truly setup! To a mighty cheer, the team came out immaculate in their strips and baseball shoes, playing keepy-up with the football. I was in a sleeveless cotton shirt, WW11 khaki shorts and a pair of sandshoes, the rest of my team was similarly attired for the beach.
I cannot remember much about the game, except that we were continually kicking off from the centre and losing the ball immediately. My only claim to fame was putting one of their players off the field. I went into rugby mode and ran full speed at one of the players who had the ball. He was doing fancy footwork with ball but this was no defence against 13 stones of annoyed youth moving at 20 mph. I was told later that you could hear the crash of bodies 100 yards away. He limped of the field, with assistance and I think I learned some interesting colloquial Spanish phrases. I wasn't sent off but a free kick was given.
The referee blew his whistle and called the "teams" together. We were taken down to the opposing team's goal where they lined up on the field to make an avenue towards their goal..
Their goalie came out of the goal and placed the ball on the penalty spot and walked off the pitch. Our captain then walked the ball through the goalmouth for a score. We got mighty cheer from the spectators and as a final act, we were presented with a poron - a goatskin drinking vessel signed by all the members of the team.
This hung up in the school hall for long after I left school. It was probably the reserve team we played but it was still a memory I will hold for a long, long time.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on June 01, 2010, 01:24:17 PM: I thought it might be interestng to have some details of the areas where the games are to be held. There are ten venues spread about the country. I found the info on a World Cup Website. Here is a pic showing the locations.....
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Nelspruit
The name of Nelspruit has Dutch origins and means Nel's stream. It is surrounded by the Kruger National Park
Province: Mpumalanga
Altitude: 660m
Geography: Located on a low-lying plateau, known as the Lowveld, in the fertile Crocodile River valley in the north eastern part of South Africa.
Climate: Sub-tropical with temperatures around 23°C during winter and warming up to 29°C during summer.

Lowveld National Botanical Gardens
When exploring Africa, one of the ‘must see' places are the breath-taking vegetation-covered escarpments. And, when you are in Nelspruit one of the places you have to visit are the Lowveld National Botanical Gardens to enjoy the calmness that comes with the river scenery and the spectacular settings of Nelspruit's main tourist attraction place.
The Lowveld National Botanical Gardens are situated at the heart of Mpumalanga. They also have a Visitor's Centre which contains a restaurant, shops and information centre.

Johannesburg (two venues, Soccer City and Ellis Park)
Johannesburg is also referred to as Jozi, Joburg or Egoli (place of Gold)
Province: Gauteng Province
Altitude: 1753m
Geography: Located on the eastern high-lying plateau in South Africa referred to as the Highveld.
Climate: Dry with winter temperatures ranging from 24°-16°C. Summer is temperate with temperatures exceeding 30°C and afternoon thundershowers.

Polokwane
Polokwane is often described as a vibrant, busy and colourful wonderland in a sea of grasslands, surrounded by scenic mountains.
Name: Polokwane, place of safety
Province: Limpopo
Altitude: 1310m
Geography: 60 kilometers south of the Tropic of Capricorn. The landscape is mainly grassland interspersed with rocky granite hills, referred to as 'koppies' in South African English.
Climate: Tropical climate with winter temperatures 20°- 4° Centigrade and summer temperatures between 28-16° Centigrade.

Lake Funduzi and Thathe Vondo Forest
Locals refer to Lake Funduzi as a place of ‘peace and tranquillity'. And, once you are there, it does not take long before you realise why people from around the area give rave ratings. Lake Funduzi is a magical place that is steeped in Venda mythology and legend. Its condition changes seasonally, but it is always worth the visit from a cultural perspective. From Lake Funduzi you will drive along the very top of the Soutpansberg.
Thathe is an indigenous forest which is sacred to the Venda people. Here look out for forest species such as Chorister Robin-Chat, White-starred Robin, Knysna Turaco, Yellow-streaked Greenbul and Orange Ground-Thrush.

Tshwane/Pretoria
Tshwane/Pretoria's rich and colourful heritage makes the city come alive with a unique blend of new and old.
Province: Gauteng Province
Altitude: 1214m
Geography: Situated between rocky ridges in the north eastern part of the country. The city is in the transitional area between tropical savannah (Bushveld) and the Highveld plateau.
Climate: Dry winters with temperatures averaging 20 °C during the day, dropping to about 5 °C at night. Hot summers with occasional thunderstorms, daytime average temperatures 25 to 30 °C.

National Zoological Gardens of South Africa
The National Zoological Gardens of South Africa is the largest zoo in the country and the only one with national status. The 80 hectare zoo houses 2,586 specimens and is visited by more than 600,000 people annually. It features a reptile park and the largest inland marine aquarium in the country.

Rustenburg
In the heart of the savannah bushveld is the city of Rustenburg, brimming with natural beauty at the foot of the Magaliesburg Mountains.
Name: Rustenburg. The city's name originates from Dutch.
Province: North West
Altitude: 1500m
Geography: Located on the Highveld Plateau with low mountains and grasslands in the north western part of South Africa.
Climate: Rustenburg enjoys a sub-tropical climate with temperatures around 16°C during winter and 31°C during summer. The climate is generally ideal for year round outdoor activities.

Rustenburg Nature Reserve
The Rustenburg Nature Reserve lies at the western end of the Magaliesberg Protected Natural Environment, about 100 km from Pretoria and Johannesburg. Originally established on the farm Rietvallei which once belonged to President Paul Kruger, it has been gradually expanded over the years and now covers some 4500 hectares. The Rustenburg Nature Reserve is dominated by the rocky ridges of the Magaliesberg, with well-wooded ravines on the rugged slopes. A large valley basin and an extensive plateau form an important water catchment area from which the main watercourse flows into a large, reed-filled marsh.

Pilanesburg Nature Resort
The Pilanesberg National Park, which covers some 55,000 hectares, is the fourth largest in southern Africa. The history of Pilanesberg National Park is also unique amongst national parks in South Africa, as its rugged landscape, well-watered valleys and attractive dwelling sites have made it a preferred site for human settlement for thousands of years. Prior to its proclamation as a reserve in 1979, the Pilanesberg National Park Complex was degraded and depleted of indigenous wildlife populations due to fairly intense settlement by commercial farmers.

Mangaung/Bloemfontein
Mangaung/Bloemfontein's open spaces reflect the openness of its people - friendly, warm and quietly dignified.
Province: Free State
Altitude: 1400m
Geography: The city is located in central South Africa on the Free State Plateau. The landscape is accentuated by grassland plains and low hills.
Climate: Dry winters, from May to August with temperatures around 17° C in the day and reaching -2° C at night. Summer ranges from October to February and city is much warmer, around 30° C during the day and cloud bursts in the afternoon.

Durban
The city's "golden mile", a four kilometre stretch of beaches, restaurants and promenades, holds pride of place in culturally varied Durban.
Province: KwaZulu-Natal
Altitude: 0m
Geography: The city is located on a huge natural lagoon that forms its harbour with a range of hills inland that are the remains of fossilized sand-dunes.
Climate: Sub-tropical, mild and sunny winters, hot and humid summers. Average temperatures are around 16 to 25° C year round.

Nelson Mandela Bay/Port Elizabeth
Nelson Mandela Bay/Port Elizabeth has a 40 kilometre stretch of immaculate beaches in a protected bay and is surrounded by game parks
Nelson Mandela Bay/Port Elizabeth is nestled in the shelter of Algoa Bay
Province:Eastern Cape
Altitude:0m
Climate:Sub-tropical with winter rainfall. The city has mild temperatures ranging from 20° to 9°C during winter, and 25° to 17°C during summer.

Cape Town
Cape Town, at the foot of iconic Table Mountain, is a cosmopolitan city with beautiful natural surrounds. The city's name is derived from its association with the Cape of Good Hope.
Province: Western Cape
Altitude: 0m
Geography: The city is located on either side of a mountain ridge on the Cape Peninsula and low-lying flat areas at sea level.
Climate: Mediterranean climate with winter rainfall and temperatures around 18°C. Summer time is generally warm with temperatures in the range of 25-27°C.

In South Africa, the Western Cape Province is renowned for being home to some of the finest wine estates in the country. And, it is therefore apt to say that the journey to Cape Town might be described as incomplete if one does not take time to explore and indulge on some good wines and explore the landscape of the places that produces it.

You will gather that the descriptions are rather "tourist board speak" but I hope that I hve added some plant friendly places to show what the area has to offer those footie fans , in between matches!!
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Anthony Darby on June 02, 2010, 08:48:49 PM: I'll be wearing my SNP T-shirt. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on June 02, 2010, 09:00:18 PM: Scotland

Not

Playing

???
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 02, 2010, 09:48:06 PM: That must have been an UNreal game Tom. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 02, 2010, 09:49:05 PM: Not enough information Maggi. Where are the list of native plants? :D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on June 02, 2010, 10:05:06 PM: Quote from: Lesley Cox on June 02, 2010, 09:49:05 PM
Not enough information Maggi. Where are the list of native plants? :D

As your team coach, Lesley, I'm expecting you to find that out for me! ;D ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Anthony Darby on June 02, 2010, 11:30:45 PM: Fascinating post Maggi. 8)
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 02, 2010, 11:54:48 PM: Quote from: Maggi Young on June 02, 2010, 10:05:06 PM
Quote from: Lesley Cox on June 02, 2010, 09:49:05 PM
Not enough information Maggi. Where are the list of native plants? :D

As your team coach, Lesley, I'm expecting you to find that out for me! ;D ;D

You've got the wrong team Maggi. Talk to Rogan and Calvin.
;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on June 03, 2010, 09:59:58 AM: Thanks, Anthony.... :)

Lesley.... I'm hoping to tempt them out.... ;)
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Calvin Becker on June 03, 2010, 03:18:26 PM: Unfortunately we are heading into winter here in SA and so not many wild flower prospects available in the summer rainfall regions, especially on the highveld. The veld (grasslands) are quite picturesque though, especially in the late afternoon when the sun shines through the old flower spikes of the grasses. Grasslands are already being burnt around Pietermaritzburg and probably on the highveld too. The plus of this is that it makes game viewing in the game reserves easier!

The Cape is a winter rainfall region (well known fact I'm sure) and so some early bulbs may be in flower (Lachenalia bulbifera). There are usually some fynbos species in flower too (Erica etc), but you will have to brave the weather! Kirstenbosch Botanical Gardens in Cape Town should definitely be on any visitors itinerary.

Are any forum members attending the World Cup?
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Calvin Becker on June 03, 2010, 03:32:34 PM: I forgot to mention that many Aloe sp. will probably be in flower during the world cup period. The Aloe ferox along the N3 highway from Johannesburg to Durban are already in bud and should flower soon. Rogan has some great pictures of plants flowering in the Eastern Cape I think.

Aloe greatheadii var. davyana is very common around Pretoria, especially in overgrazed areas, and may also be in flower en masse.

Here is a picture taken in June 2007 of a trout farm near Machododorp (approx 150km closer to Joburg than Nelspruit) just to give a general idea of how the veld will look at this time. The dark green areas are exotic pine plantations used for paper production.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Anthony Darby on June 03, 2010, 05:37:03 PM: My goodness, that could be the reservoir on Sheriffmuir above Dunblane! 8)
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on June 05, 2010, 07:29:29 PM: Lets see, Robben out, Ferdinand out, Ballack out, Mikel out, Essien out, Drogba out ( maybe).

Anyone out there ready to make a trip to South Africa to fill in and do some plant hunting.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on June 05, 2010, 07:50:00 PM: Well, I'm out too... got a hamstring injury and torn calf muscle, so no chance of being match fit..... :-\ :P
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on June 05, 2010, 08:33:36 PM: I'm in the frame. As long as they play me wide and don't expect me to run more than about 10 meters at more than a fast trot I'll be OK ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ranunculus on June 05, 2010, 10:51:26 PM: I can dribble .... ! :D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: t00lie on June 05, 2010, 10:58:01 PM: And i can pass ..... :o

On reflection--- i'm not fit so i'll pass ... ;D

Cheers dave.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Anthony Darby on June 05, 2010, 11:12:18 PM: Not fit Dave? I thought you were all white? ::)
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on June 08, 2010, 04:08:52 AM: This is very cool.

http://www.marca.com/deporte/futbol/mundial/sudafrica-2010/calendario.html
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on June 08, 2010, 11:52:57 AM: Quote from: ArnoldT on June 08, 2010, 04:08:52 AM
This is very cool.

http://www.marca.com/deporte/futbol/mundial/sudafrica-2010/calendario.html
Yes it is!! I'm bookmarking that for reference :)
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: alpines on June 12, 2010, 09:33:15 PM: USA 1 : England Schoolboys 1

That is the worst performance by an England team I have EVER witnessed. Don't blame Rob Green......he was the best English player on the park. Disgusting performance by team and management.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ranunculus on June 12, 2010, 09:44:44 PM: Quote from: alpines on June 12, 2010, 09:33:15 PM
USA 1 : England Schoolboys 1

That is the worst performance by an England team I have EVER witnessed. Don't blame Rob Green......he was the best English player on the park. Disgusting performance by team and management.

You must have missed a LOT of England games while you have been away, Alan ... we have been MUCH worse than that lately!!!!
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: alpines on June 12, 2010, 09:50:37 PM: Hey Cliff.......I was trying to remain impartial for obvious reasons (Sherba's cooking is better than mine) but I couldn't believe how bad England were. I don't think the USA were THAT good.....just that England didn't have a clue. Heskey's a donkey. Lennon can't pass to save his life....and a lone striker that sits with his back to the goal 40 yards out. Even kids know better than that. I thought the French were bad but this takes the biscuit.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ranunculus on June 12, 2010, 10:01:15 PM: Quote from: alpines on June 12, 2010, 09:50:37 PM
Hey Cliff.......I was trying to remain impartial for obvious reasons (Sherba's cooking is better than mine) but I couldn't believe how bad England were. I don't think the USA were THAT good.....just that England didn't have a clue. Heskey's a donkey. Lennon can't pass to save his life....and a lone striker that sits with his back to the goal 40 yards out. Even kids know better than that. I thought the French were bad but this takes the biscuit.

... but were you impressed? ;D ;D ;D

We were certainly worse against Japan ... but it wasn't easy! Hope all is well in Kentucky?
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lvandelft on June 12, 2010, 10:12:39 PM: Some flowers for England today. Not seen good football playing, but saw at least a hilarious moment :o :o :o :-X

Green Trick
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on June 13, 2010, 01:55:05 AM: The English Professional League has only 23% English players. Yet there are over 300 players from the EPL playing for various countries at the World Cup in South Africa.

I think they are trying to have a rule of 5 or 6 "home grown" players but running into trouble with the EU rules.

Where are English players going to learn their craft?
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 13, 2010, 06:21:29 AM: Probably an unworthy thought and I didn't see the England/USA game but following the SA/Mexico game I wondered if the first round was going to include some "contrived" results in order to keep the interest up for smaller countries. In which case, we may beat or draw with Slovakia. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on June 13, 2010, 09:33:01 AM: Quote from: David Nicholson on May 30, 2010, 06:33:31 PM

Arnold, it wouldn't surprise me if your lot gave my lot a bit of a shock.

You see, I was right Arnold. England's womens team would have put on a better performance and Robert Green would have been in better company to catch like a girl ::)
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Neil on June 13, 2010, 09:58:09 AM: What a bloody racket those vuvuzelas are. I made her watch the match with the sound off in the end.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on June 13, 2010, 10:29:04 AM: Quote from: neil on June 13, 2010, 09:58:09 AM
What a bloody racket those vuvuzelas are. I made her watch the match with the sound off in the end.

Amen to that, Neil! These noisy devices are areal pain.... the prospect of weeks of them buzzing away is too hard to bear.... plus, on TV coverage of one of the many other interesting sprorting events yesterday ( I was so 'exhausted' from the combination of cycling, football, rugby two sorts of motorsports that I can't remember which it was....) I saw those tooteroo things (which I now know to be vuvuzelas!) being brandished by some of the crowd..... heaven forbid this craze should catch on and spread :o >:( :'(

Mind you, so much commentary is feeble that perhaps the prospect of just watching the TV with no sound is a real improvement! ;)
For radio coverage which usually includes some crowd noise for 'atmosphere', though, it will be a nightmare to have to suffer the din.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Martinr on June 13, 2010, 12:46:27 PM: Mmmm...I'd love to do my bit to wind up my English friends but.........that goalkeeping was too reminiscent of a number of Scotland keepers over the years. I also hope English football is not in the process of descending to the dire depths of the FIFA rankings where Scotland now languish hoping to compete with Iceland and the Faeroes!

Better luck in the next game but some improvement needed I fear.

I've only seen one game through and that was the SA - Mexico game which was one of the better games I've seen in a while...both teams actually seemed to want to win!
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on June 13, 2010, 01:28:34 PM: BBC Headline:

World Cup 2010: South Africa ponders vuvuzela ban

You may get your wish.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on June 13, 2010, 01:41:50 PM: Since my experience of attending football matches in either South Africa or South America is sadly non-existent, I have had to resort to an internet search to learn more of this plastic monstrosity, the vuvzela.... some information seems to suggest that the use of these things is "traditional" to football in South Africa and, also in S. America..... my first thought was how "traditional" ( which in this country suggests a loooooonnnnnnggg history, perhaps of centuries) could a plastic trumpet be?
This link told me.... from the 1970s in Mexico !! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuvuzela

Merciful heavens....that's not much in the way of traditon from my viewpoint, but if these things have been blasting the air for 40years I wonder there is a single football fan in Mexico with undamaged hearing. :o ::) :-X
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Neil on June 13, 2010, 09:44:36 PM: Quote from: ArnoldT on June 13, 2010, 01:28:34 PM
BBC Headline:

World Cup 2010: South Africa ponders vuvuzela ban

You may get your wish.

Then I would here the inane commentary. She can watch it with the sound off and its not open to discussion.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 14, 2010, 12:16:28 AM: Do we have another despot in our midst? ;D :o ???

I am in the happy position of all these matches being in the early hours of the morning or other unsociable hours so I can avoid watching the whole lot. Since my only REAL sporting interest is cricket, I learned years ago to watch on TV with the mute button on, while listening to (quite frequently) learned and erudite commentary on the radio. Alas that nowadays that is now interspersed with advertising. >:(
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on June 14, 2010, 03:56:36 AM: Lesley:

You "ain't seen notin yet", try watching a baseball game on TV. So much down time the announcers are promoted as much as the players.

Out of a 60 minute American Football game there is only 3 to 4 minutes of actual play.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Anthony Darby on June 14, 2010, 10:16:44 AM: .......and virtually none of it played with the feet! ::) Grid iron was designed with commercial televison in mind. I'm glad Formula one is back on the Beeb. No interruptions! Apparently the ITV HD channel missed the England goal! ;D I stick to the BBC as I hate adverts. I remember trying to watch the US open golf a few years ago. Every few minutes we were subjected to two commentors chatting about the play as the US channel had cut to adverts and there was no live play being filmed! :(
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on June 14, 2010, 11:41:11 AM: .. and with betting in mind as well.

Grid-iron is the perfect TV sport. Commercial breaks, jammed full of stats to keep the masses confused, random violence and cheerleaders!

They print the odds on games in every newspaper but " league officials" deny that betting takes place.

I admire the rest of the world for this.

Acknowledge the betting and make some money from it.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on June 14, 2010, 07:29:43 PM: Quote from: ArnoldT on June 14, 2010, 11:41:11 AM
.. and with betting in mind as well.

Grid-iron is the perfect TV sport. Commercial breaks, jammed full of stats to keep the masses confused, random violence and cheerleaders!

They print the odds on games in every newspaper but " league officials" deny that betting takes place.

I admire the rest of the world for this.

Acknowledge the betting and make some money from it.

Not on betting on England to win :P
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 14, 2010, 09:36:25 PM: Alas, we have no non-commercial TV except there is no advertising on Good Friday or Christmas Day. They still do promos for upcoming TV programmes though, and to my mind, that IS advertising. On radio, the so-called National network is commercial free as is the Concert programme. National consists of lowbrow music, interviews, more national and international news, some politics etc etc. Our (mis-named) public broadcasting radio stations.

You have to be joking Arnold, about the shown play time for football games. :o
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Neil on June 14, 2010, 10:59:06 PM: Quote from: Lesley Cox on June 14, 2010, 12:16:28 AM
Do we have another despot in our midst? ;D :o ???

I am in the happy position of all these matches being in the early hours of the morning or other unsociable hours so I can avoid watching the whole lot. Since my only REAL sporting interest is cricket, I learned years ago to watch on TV with the mute button on, while listening to (quite frequently) learned and erudite commentary on the radio. Alas that nowadays that is now interspersed with advertising. >:(

I would not call it that, its a democracy and in case of a vote being tied its a case age before beauty ;D

Cricket now that's a real game, but can't watch it as Murdoch has bought all the rights and WE refuse to pay im so i go without.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on June 15, 2010, 03:20:46 AM: Lesley:

Wish I were joking. The ball is snapped and ten seconds later the referee blows the whistle to end the play.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 15, 2010, 06:21:53 AM: Well NZ's test crickers have been promoting that game in the USA recently, so perhaps you'll have something better to watch soon. ;D

Neil, if it's case of age before beauty, I win on both counts. ;D ;D ;D (see the Puzzles thread but remember the picture is close to 30 years old).

Murdoch here too, and like you, we don't buy pay TV but we do get some free to air on one of the more obscure channels.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Anthony Darby on June 15, 2010, 12:55:01 PM: Quote from: ArnoldT on June 15, 2010, 03:20:46 AM
Lesley:

Wish I were joking. The ball is snapped and ten seconds later the referee blows the whistle to end the play.

That's the bit I don't understand. It's like basketball (another minority sport in this country). The timeouts are much longer than the play. At least in football, rugby and cricket the play is more or less continuous.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Anthony Darby on June 15, 2010, 02:36:17 PM: The All Whites snatched a draw at the death in their first match. :o
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 15, 2010, 09:27:51 PM: You look quite shocked Anthony. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 17, 2010, 10:37:37 PM: Not quite matching the World Cup in status, perhaps you won't mind if I make a rugby commment?
On saturday night here in Dunedin, the All Blacks will play Wales in the final game to be played at Carisbrook, Dunedin's much loved rugby and cricket ground for the last 80 years. The first rugby test was played there in 1930. We are in the process of building a flash new stadium for the World Cup (Rugby) to be ready in a year's time, but Carisbrook will always be close to the hearts of Dunedin and NZ people who love their sports.

In spite of some fabulous and famous Welsh gardens, I can't recall any active Forumist who comes from Wales. (Please remind me of any.) But if you are out there, we plan to win this one and win it well, as a final gesture to the ground. But we love the Welsh rugby men and they are most welcome in our city.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Neil on June 17, 2010, 11:08:16 PM: Quarter Welsh here ;)
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on June 18, 2010, 11:32:17 PM: Ok, i'll say it "We were robbed"
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: daveyp1970 on June 19, 2010, 10:58:56 AM: Quote from: ArnoldT on June 18, 2010, 11:32:17 PM
Ok, i'll say it "We were robbed"
Arnold i agree :o.
For me so far the Mexicans have been the stars and as for England why do they put us through this torment!
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on June 19, 2010, 05:30:51 PM: Dave:

My read on the England dilemma is that they have the best league in the world by far but there aren't enough English players playing in it. The heart and soul of many English football clubs are the exemplary foreigners that play in UK. I think goalkeeping is the prime example. There is no Banks or Shelton these days.

I understood there would be an "home grown rule" next year or the year after in the EPL, but it was rejected. This would have mandated that each club had five English players on the pitch at all times.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 20, 2010, 04:08:00 AM: An amendment to my rugby post above. Carisbrook's first rugby test was in 1908, 102 years ago and the first test against Wales, was in 1930.

We DID win well last night, 48-9 but it was a good quality game in superb conditions. The day had been 20C and the play time was at about 14C, no wind. Ground pack to capacity for the last test there.

Back to the World Cup. Some - poor fools - think NZ could beat Italy! ::)
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Neil on June 20, 2010, 09:10:12 AM: Quote from: Lesley Cox on June 20, 2010, 04:08:00 AM

Back to the World Cup. Some - poor fools - think NZ could beat Italy! ::)

And millions in this country thought we could beat the USA and Algeria (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/neil4768/smileys/th_rotfl.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v167/neil4768/smileys/?action=view&current=rotfl.gif)
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: daveyp1970 on June 20, 2010, 10:44:53 AM: Quote from: ArnoldT on June 19, 2010, 05:30:51 PM
Dave:

My read on the England dilemma is that they have the best league in the world by far but there aren't enough English players playing in it. The heart and soul of many English football clubs are the exemplary foreigners that play in UK. I think goalkeeping is the prime example. There is no Banks or Shelton these days.

I understood there would be an "home grown rule" next year or the year after in the EPL, but it was rejected. This would have mandated that each club had five English players on the pitch at all times.

Arnold i couldn't agree more the english players at club level are only that good because of the quality of foreign players around them,but when it comes to country each single player even though quality in there own right just hasn't got same support as at club and it would be fantastic for the English game and for young lads coming through if they brought the 5 homegrown players on the pitch at all times rule but Footballs is all about money know and big clubs want as many big named signings to get big crowds and trophies ect which equals money.I do think there are some advantages like the wealth of talent that has been discovered on the African continent(which i think during the world cup have been fantastic they play a lovely passing game and a nice attacking game)and after this world cup i think more foreign players will be coming over here.
Can i just say Landon Donovan who plays for the USA has had a fantastic World Cup so far,he's really impressed me.
Arnold can i just say the photo off you and Pele is incredible i hope you don't mind but i have shown everybody and they are amazed.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Martinr on June 20, 2010, 05:51:08 PM: Well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NZ draw with Italy............................I'm off to the bookies to put a few quid on them to win the cup :D ;D :o ::)
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on June 20, 2010, 05:54:45 PM: Martin:

It was a heroic display by the All-Whites. Can't imagine which is going to be worse the Italian press or the English press.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Martinr on June 20, 2010, 06:30:21 PM: Arnold, probably the Italian. Judging by the atmosphere here the English have been stunned into (almost) silence.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 20, 2010, 10:54:31 PM: An Italian reporter in SA, interviewed by an NZ reporter, said Italians would blame thier central govt if NZ drew or won and there would likely be a major political crisis. ;D So Italians, get ready for a general election. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Susan on June 20, 2010, 11:07:06 PM: We did not get to bed until after 4.00am here and this morning I have just read the following -

"But this day belonged to a proud little Pacific Island nation with just 25 professional players. The All Whites, instead, brought on bank clerk Andy Barron against the Ferrari-driving millionaires. The moral victory was theirs."

It is what is known here as the No 8 wire attitude.

Having beaten the Welsh in Rugby on Saturday night, can life get much better?

Susan
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on June 20, 2010, 11:31:21 PM: Quote from: Susan on June 20, 2010, 11:07:06 PM

"But this day belonged to a proud little Pacific Island nation with just 25 professional players. The All Whites, instead, brought on bank clerk Andy Barron against the Ferrari-driving millionaires. The moral victory was theirs."

Susan

Crikey, is that correct? Just 25 professional players? Extra ordinary success then!
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 20, 2010, 11:47:23 PM: Martin, who'll be meeting us in the final? USA? ;D

I noticed that after our draw against Slovakia, AUSTRALIA was claiming it - don't they always? "AUSTRALASIA tames the Slovaks" went the headlines. ::)
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 21, 2010, 12:53:51 AM: Maggi, soccer isn't really our thing, though these games will give the sport a tremendous boost here, especially among school kids which bodes well for the future. Of the 25 professionals, I'd be very surprised if many or any make a fulltime living from the game. Most would need a "day" job as well, so yes, we've done OK so far. :D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on June 21, 2010, 03:19:10 AM: Beauty of the game is that a determine group can march onto the filed and perform as equals or better to seasoned pro's.

Has happened to the Italians before in England in 1966, when a tailor from North Korea did it.

There's a word in English which I'm told doesn't translate very well into other languages "Guts".

My heartfelt admiration to the all Whites.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Martin Baxendale on June 21, 2010, 03:35:54 PM: 2 quotes from friends on facebook:

"Absolutely the best performance of the tournament. Well done New Zealand. England take note - hard work, belief and pride does matter."

"I agree- very glad I watched it this morning (my time). NZ should be very proud of that performance."
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on June 21, 2010, 08:02:25 PM: Some Awards: These may be the only ones we'll get!

The 'My Grandma's a Better Defender' Award: Glen Johnson
The 'Girl's Catch of the Season' Award: Robert Green
The 'All my Brains are in my Shorts' Award: Ashley Cole
The 'Blame it all on the Fans' Award': Wayne Rooney
The 'Miss of the Season' Award: ITV
The 'Let's Take a Guy to the World Cup Who's a Virtual Cripple' Award': Fabio Capello
The 'I'm the Nearest to Jesus so I'm Doing the Talking' Award: John Terry

Surely there must be others?
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Casalima on June 21, 2010, 10:57:14 PM: As a Portugal-England-Spain-Brazil supporter, I was starting to get a bit worried, but now I have a bit more to celebrate :D :D
(I know, I spread my allegiances ... 8))
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Susan on June 21, 2010, 11:27:34 PM: For those of you being driven mad by the noise of the vuvuzela! www.theonion.com/articles/south-african-vuvuzela-philharmonic-angered-by-soc,17625/

Susan
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 22, 2010, 03:58:48 AM: While I can feel deeply for the Vuvuzela Phil, I am truly worried that the NZ Prime Minister was seen on the pitch sporting one and looking like he might blow it any minute. I don't believe our Parliament (a circus at the best of times) would be enhanced if the Vuvuzela were to be introduced to call the members to order. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on June 22, 2010, 11:06:48 AM: Thank you, Susan, for the link to that most amusing article! Loved it!
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ranunculus on June 22, 2010, 11:29:31 AM: We should have predicted all this problem anyway ... certainly a case of deja-vuvuzela!
Too many South Africans blowing their own trumpets in my opinion.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 24, 2010, 11:48:37 PM: They can stop blowing the darned things now. NZ is GONE! It was inevitable our bubble would burst soon but it was great while it lasted, and at least we did better than Italy! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Calvin Becker on June 25, 2010, 01:06:31 PM: Thanks for the link Susan. I really enjoyed that article! Is the noise from the vuvuzelas really that bad? I was at the USA vs Slovenia game at Ellis Park a week ago and did not find it bad/irritating at all. Maybe that's because I had a vuvuzela of my own to get carried away with, though.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Anthony Darby on June 25, 2010, 11:30:33 PM: I think if you were there it would just be part of the 'atmosphere'. Trying to listen to a commentary on TV ........ well, it's just not cricket! Talking of cricket (two - nil)......... anyone see the Isner/Mahut marathon tennis match at Wimbledon?
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on June 26, 2010, 01:25:40 PM: Quote from: Anthony Darby on June 25, 2010, 11:30:33 PM
I think if you were there it would just be part of the 'atmosphere'. Trying to listen to a commentary on TV ........ well, it's just not cricket! Talking of cricket (two - nil)......... anyone see the Isner/Mahut marathon tennis match at Wimbledon?
See it? I'm still recovering from it! Made history of course, but a complete disaster for both players to be so exhausted they'll go no further in the competition. :'(
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on June 26, 2010, 02:14:47 PM: Maggi:

This is the reason we go to penalty kicks after a short period of overtime.

In a previous World Cup Italy and Germany played for hours in a semi-final game. The winner was so fatigued that the final was a non event.

Most fans of the game don't really appreciate the game ending penalty kicks but how to decide on a winner?

Draw straws?

Arnold
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on June 27, 2010, 07:36:14 PM: Homeward Bound, and so they should be! 'Bound', I mean and very tightly.

Next week will be open warfare between the Team and the Tabloid Press with young Mr Gerrard a prime target. Don't forget you read it here first :P
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on June 27, 2010, 07:46:56 PM: I would concede that the England team played rather badly, but having perfectly good goals disallowed is disheartening in the extreme.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on June 27, 2010, 10:58:16 PM: Well Mexico felt the same thrust of a bad call.

The game of Football is administrated by a group of very tradition ( old) men and the thought of adding video technology is a long way off. I've heard that an English professor at an engineering school has developed the technology to place a chip in a ball that would make in or out calls a thing of the past. We had two perfect examples today of goals that were miscalled. Shades of Geoff Hurst's drive in 1966 on the Germany vs England game and the Argentina vs Mexico the player was clearly off side by at least two yards.

Did these goals have an impact on the game absolutely yes in my opinion.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: alpines on June 27, 2010, 11:07:18 PM: Not sure when they are flying home, but if I was the manager, they'd be out of their plush hotel this evening and sleeping in the slums of Soweto.
Absolute disgrace to themselves and the country. Forget the goal that never was.....it's the pompous attitudes, total lack of commitment and delusions of grandeur that they are a world class team, that cost them their place in this competition.
They think it's all over.......it is now.........and was before they even kicked a ball. At least the US played with some pride.
Gutted to be English...and even more gutted that I will have to put up with ridicule from my American colleagues.
We taught the world football...then forgot how to play it. I support Man City, and much as hate to admit it, the only decent manager for this bunch of prima donnas is Sir Alex Ferguson. Love him or loathe him.......he knows how to win.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 28, 2010, 12:58:36 AM: Oh Golly! :o :o :o
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on June 28, 2010, 02:41:07 AM: Alan:

I have some thoughts that the WC has become secondary as compared to the EPL. These guys had no break afte rthe EPL and Champions League finished and now that they are out they will get a bit of a break prior to beginning their prep for the League in August.

Not feeling sorry for them, big money is there.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: alpines on June 28, 2010, 10:46:13 AM: Arnold,

Money is an issue I agree.......but it shouldn't be a factor when you are representing your country. The majority of these players perform in La Liga, Serie A and the Bundesliga, and get well paid for doing so.....but they wear their shirts with pride.
I've seen a better competitive display at AGS Shows.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: TC on June 28, 2010, 03:15:11 PM: Quote from: TC on May 31, 2010, 11:56:05 AM
World cup? Who gives a monkey's!!!!!!!!!!
The same sentiments still apply !!
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lvandelft on July 06, 2010, 10:02:20 PM: Rather quiet on these pages the last days..... how come??

Greetings from

HOLLAND
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: daveyp1970 on July 06, 2010, 10:14:37 PM: Quote from: Lvandelft on July 06, 2010, 10:02:20 PM
Rather quiet on these pages the last days..... how come??

Greetings from

HOLLAND
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on July 06, 2010, 10:40:48 PM: Quote from: ArnoldT on May 30, 2010, 03:34:01 PM

Can anyone beat the Brazilians!

Yes, Arnold.... Portugal can draw against them and Holland just beat them...... who would have bet on that?
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on July 06, 2010, 10:42:40 PM: Quote from: Lvandelft on July 06, 2010, 10:02:20 PM
Rather quiet on these pages the last days..... how come??

Greetings from

HOLLAND

Perhaps we are all too busy knitting orange scarves and painting our vuvuzelas orange to have time to post, Luit!!
Some of us are too tired after watching Wimbledon and now Le Tour!! ;D

Very good news for you Dutch fans...... all to play for for the Germans and Spanish tomorrow, eh?
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: johnw on July 06, 2010, 11:06:48 PM: Quote from: Lvandelft on July 06, 2010, 10:02:20 PM
Rather quiet on these pages the last days..... how come??

Greetings from

HOLLAND

Luit - We figured you were still in the canal.

johnw
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Anthony Darby on July 06, 2010, 11:07:17 PM: To cold for a Brazilian Maggi! ::)
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on July 06, 2010, 11:12:48 PM: It's been unusually warm here lately, actually, Anthony ;)
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on July 06, 2010, 11:14:43 PM: Quote from: johnw on July 06, 2010, 11:06:48 PM
Quote from: Lvandelft on July 06, 2010, 10:02:20 PM
Rather quiet on these pages the last days..... how come??

Greetings from

HOLLAND

Luit - We figured you were still in the canal.

johnw
;D ;D ;D Well, great way to cool down after the excitment and the canal is VERY close....... ::)
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lvandelft on July 06, 2010, 11:29:17 PM: Quote from: johnw on July 06, 2010, 11:06:48 PM
Quote from: Lvandelft on July 06, 2010, 10:02:20 PM
Rather quiet on these pages the last days..... how come??

Greetings from

HOLLAND

Luit - We figured you were still in the canal.

johnw
John, I'm afraid I missed the 'pointe' . ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: johnw on July 07, 2010, 12:20:32 AM: Quote from: Lvandelft on July 06, 2010, 11:29:17 PM
John, I'm afraid I missed the 'pointe' . ??? ??? ???

Friends tell me the young are jumping into the canals over the wins.

johnw
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 07, 2010, 10:10:26 PM: Very well done the Dutch, and now the Spanish. The game started at 6.30am here, so I watched most of it and it really didn't look as if the Germans were much interested until the last few minutes but too late!

So - Luit or Rafa? Maybe I'd better remain neutral and just hope for a good game (early Monday morning here.) ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Anthony Darby on July 08, 2010, 12:12:15 AM: Quote from: Maggi Young on July 06, 2010, 11:12:48 PM
It's been unusually warm here lately, actually, Anthony ;)
Cold again here today. Showery too. July and the heating is on in the house! Hope it's warmer in Yorkshire (God's own country) next week!
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lvandelft on July 08, 2010, 06:03:54 AM: Quote from: johnw on July 07, 2010, 12:20:32 AM
Quote from: Lvandelft on July 06, 2010, 11:29:17 PM
John, I'm afraid I missed the 'pointe' . ??? ??? ???

Friends tell me the young are jumping into the canals over the wins.

johnw
John, I’m not that young anymore and after such an exciting match I rather cool off my blood temperature with something stronger than water ;D ;D
Cheers!
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on July 08, 2010, 01:41:22 PM: Quote from: Anthony Darby on July 08, 2010, 12:12:15 AM
Quote from: Maggi Young on July 06, 2010, 11:12:48 PM
It's been unusually warm here lately, actually, Anthony ;)
Cold again here today. Showery too. July and the heating is on in the house! Hope it's warmer in Yorkshire (God's own country) next week!

As you should well know Anthony the sun always shines in Yorkshire. The sun shines on the righteous :P
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on July 08, 2010, 01:42:20 PM: Holland 1 Spain 2. You heard it here first. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Anthony Darby on July 08, 2010, 02:10:56 PM: Quote from: David Nicholson on July 08, 2010, 01:41:22 PM
Quote from: Anthony Darby on July 08, 2010, 12:12:15 AM
Quote from: Maggi Young on July 06, 2010, 11:12:48 PM
It's been unusually warm here lately, actually, Anthony ;)
Cold again here today. Showery too. July and the heating is on in the house! Hope it's warmer in Yorkshire (God's own country) next week!

As you should well know Anthony the sun always shines in Yorkshire. The sun shines on the righteous :P
We'll be feeling very righteous as on Monday we (Dunblane Cathedral Choir) are singing 'Evensong' at York Minster and Tuesday and Thursday to Sunday were are doing the same at Ripon Cathedral. Not bad, considering evensong is not a service we have in Dunblane Cathedral.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on July 08, 2010, 02:22:37 PM: David:

My bet is Holland 2 Spain 1.

An extra day of rest...

Arnold
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lvandelft on July 08, 2010, 06:43:25 PM: Quote from: David Nicholson on July 08, 2010, 01:42:20 PM
Holland 1 Spain 2. You heard it here first. ;D

David, you know probably more about cricket or even politics, than about football ;D ;D ;D
Arnold is the knowledgeable man……. He met Pele in person 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Anthony Darby on July 08, 2010, 07:00:27 PM: Luit, you should be up on your cricket considering there is a big tournament on in your country at this very moment! ::) As for football..............who invented the game? Who has never won the World Cup? Who is absolutely terrified of an octopus?
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on July 08, 2010, 07:02:22 PM: Quote from: Lvandelft on July 08, 2010, 06:43:25 PM
Quote from: David Nicholson on July 08, 2010, 01:42:20 PM
Holland 1 Spain 2. You heard it here first. ;D

David, you know probably more about cricket or even politics, than about football ;D ;D ;D
Arnold is the knowledgeable man……. He met Pele in person 8) 8) 8)

We shall see Luit, we shall see ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lvandelft on July 08, 2010, 10:20:04 PM: Quote from: Anthony Darby on July 08, 2010, 07:00:27 PM
Luit, you should be up on your cricket considering there is a big tournament on in your country at this very moment! ::) As for football..............who invented the game? Who has never won the World Cup? Who is absolutely terrified of an octopus?

I had to dig rather deep in the paper to find a few results about this tournament Anthony.
Football and Le Tour are at the moment more important in Holland ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on July 09, 2010, 02:33:44 AM: Luit:

Did spend some time with Pele.

But spent much more time with some famous Dutch footballers.

Rijsbergen and Neeskens.

Passed a week in Leiden in January traveling around to Zeist.

Although after watching the Spanish second half I'm a bit more nervous about the match.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Anthony Darby on July 10, 2010, 10:45:00 PM: Paul got it right again! ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 11, 2010, 10:06:38 PM: Final result, Spain 1, Netherlands O.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: mark smyth on July 11, 2010, 10:10:16 PM: España campeones del mundo !

Rafa and Hans will be very happy
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on July 11, 2010, 10:46:36 PM: Best part of the night was seeing Queen Sofia of Spain jumping up and down with joy when the Spanish scored!
The Spanish Royal Family are very good at getting themselves around the world to support their countrymen in sporting events and in looking truly enthusiastic about whatever sport is taking place.... must be a boost for their players' morale.... even if they're not monarchists!!

I'm thinking it might be a while before the Dutch forumists are able to comment....but someone has to lose!
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lvandelft on July 11, 2010, 10:57:58 PM: The best team won and that's the fact!

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Casalima on July 11, 2010, 10:58:39 PM: Quote from: Maggi Young on July 11, 2010, 10:46:36 PM
Best part of the night was seeing Queen Sofia of Spain jumping up and down with joy when the Spanish scored!
The Spanish Royal Family are very good at getting themselves around the world to support their countrymen in sporting events and in looking truly enthusiastic about whatever sport is taking place.... must be a boost for their players' morale.... even if they're not monarchists!!
Queen Sofia shaking hands with Puyol-wearing-a-towel after the semifinal was a classic!!

¡Enhorabuena España! - not a classic match, but worthy winners!!

(sorry Netherlands ...)
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on July 11, 2010, 11:03:01 PM: Quote
Queen Sofia shaking hands with Puyol-wearing-a-towel after the semifinal was a classic!!
Wasn't it just! She was having great fun, she has a great smile! Can't see Queen Elizabeth going to the dressing room to congratulate british players..... maybe this is what gives the Spanish their edge.... look at Rafa at Wimbledon! ( Well that and the fact their palyers have everyone else beaten, of course!!) ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on July 11, 2010, 11:18:12 PM: Spain played better football and deserved the victory.

Now back to the weeds!
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 12, 2010, 12:01:36 AM: If NZ's All whites are to do better in the next World Cup, the players will have to take some instruction in histrionics; how to fall down and lie about groaning in agony when touched accidentally by a flapping shirt or similar. We're more used to the All Blacks continuing to play on with broken bones and only semi-conscious. Of course this could say more about their relevant intelligence rather than their stoicism. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 12, 2010, 01:39:22 AM: Quote from: Maggi Young on July 11, 2010, 10:46:36 PM
I'm thinking it might be a while before the Dutch forumists are able to comment....
More likely that our Spaniards will need a bit of time to recover from all the celebrating! ;D
I believe Octopus will be on the menu in Germany!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: alpines on July 12, 2010, 01:44:33 AM: Very poor game in footballing terms, not helped by Howard Webb's poor control. I have a great admiration for Webb but I think the occasion was just too much for him. Congratulations to Spain though for at least trying to play football. Can't for thr life of me understand why Holland resorted to trying to kick the Spaniards off the pitch. If they'd taken the game to Spain they could have won it. Glad Diego Forlan won the Golden Ball.........what an advert for the beautiful game he is.....and for humanity in general.
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 12, 2010, 02:07:41 AM: Quote from: fermides on July 12, 2010, 01:39:22 AM
Quote from: Maggi Young on July 11, 2010, 10:46:36 PM
I'm thinking it might be a while before the Dutch forumists are able to comment....
More likely that our Spaniards will need a bit of time to recover from all the celebrating! ;D
I believe Octopus will be on the menu in Germany!
cheers
fermi

No, no, the Spaniards promised a couple of days ago to give it political asylum and a loving home. ;D
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: johnw on July 12, 2010, 03:26:51 AM: Quote from: fermides on July 12, 2010, 01:39:22 AM
I believe Octopus will be on the menu in Germany!
cheers
fermi

And deep-fried I trust.

johnw
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on July 12, 2010, 09:16:06 AM: Quote from: alpines on July 12, 2010, 01:44:33 AM
Very poor game in footballing terms, not helped by Howard Webb's poor control. I have a great admiration for Webb but I think the occasion was just too much for him. Congratulations to Spain though for at least trying to play football. Can't for thr life of me understand why Holland resorted to trying to kick the Spaniards off the pitch. If they'd taken the game to Spain they could have won it. Glad Diego Forlan won the Golden Ball.........what an advert for the beautiful game he is.....and for humanity in general.

I thought he handled the game well and tried to keep the game moving with 22 players on the pitch (for the main part!)
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on July 12, 2010, 10:25:34 AM: So unfortunate to see the Dutch forget all about their usual style of football and turn to karate; they can do so much better than what they showed during this Worldcup, despite arriving into the final... which is a tremendous achievement ! :( :( :(

Spain are the worthy champions though !!
What an enormous heap of talent united in one team :o :o
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: loes on July 12, 2010, 02:11:18 PM: well,what can I say :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Pascal B on July 12, 2010, 02:36:42 PM: Quote from: Luc Gilgemyn on July 12, 2010, 10:25:34 AM
So unfortunate to see the Dutch forget all about their usual style of football and turn to karate; they can do so much better than what they showed during this Worldcup, despite arriving into the final... which is a tremendous achievement ! :( :( :(

Spain are the worthy champions though !!
What an enormous heap of talent united in one team :o :o

Luc, that has been the main criticism in NL for a while now, that the way they played was effective but not like NL "should play" or particularly attractive. It is very hard to please the Dutch that are stuck in history and only remember the Ajax style of playing from yeas back..... ;)

Some said the Germans played like us during this tournament and we played like the Germans used to do. The fact of the matter is they could not keep up with the pace of Spain when the game started and then they resorted to very ugly aggresive defence. Not something to be proud of. Some "experts" said that several teams were not well prepared to play at higher altitude among which the Dutch and therefore couldn't keep up with the Spanish pace. Ah well, todays misery is tomorrows history. We will get over it....
And yes, Spain was better overall during the game so deserved to win. Or like Johan Cruijff said, Spain in the form of Barcelona.... And didn't the Dutch have a connection with Barcelona and influenced the way Barcelona plays nowadays? So maybe we defeated ourselves.... :-\
Title: Re: World Cup 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 12, 2010, 09:54:48 PM: And all those yellow cards! A few green or blue would have been nice, for variety ;D