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Title: Iris rosenbachiana variability
Post by: Alex on January 30, 2010, 06:35:50 PM
Here are a couple from today, the first two being plants sold to me (quite a few years ago) as I. baldschuanica and I. nicolai. I've read since that these two are synonymous but both now sunk into I. rosenbachiana in any case, though I must say they don't look particularly similar to me.

Also an Iris narbutii and I. stenophylla ssp. alisonii.

Alex
Title: Re: Iris rosenbachiana variability
Post by: mark smyth on January 30, 2010, 07:24:39 PM
Very nice Alex. What's in the mix and how do you treat them throughout the year
Title: Re: Iris rosenbachiana variability
Post by: Alex on January 30, 2010, 07:46:06 PM
Hi Mark,

Nothing unusual in the compost, half topsoil, half grit/sand up to the basal plate and then the rest of the bulb is covered with grit/sand only. Moist (or very moist!) from November to whenever the leaves yellow, totally dry the rest of the time.

Cheers,

Alex
Title: Re: Iris rosenbachiana variability
Post by: Alex on January 30, 2010, 07:50:02 PM
For me, the challenge with these is making sure they don't get Botrytis on the green growth, which means being particularly careful about removing flower remnants, prophylactic sprays with fungicide and they STILL sometimes get it. Ventilation in my greenhouse is as good as it can be, but it's difficult to fight the cold, damp atmosphere that prevails in this country.

Alex
Title: Re: Iris rosenbachiana variability
Post by: David Nicholson on January 30, 2010, 08:02:48 PM
Alex, the Kew Checklist shows Iris baldschuanica and I. nicolai both as accepted names.


From what I can see your plant of I. baldschuanica conforms to the description Brian Mathew gives in "The Iris" of the original plant collected by Paul Furse in 1968.

Lovely show. 
Title: Re: Iris rosenbachiana variability
Post by: David Shaw on January 30, 2010, 08:25:25 PM
Very desirable, whatever you call them. And thanks for the cultivation tips. This is more or less what I am doing with my easier junos.
Do I understand that these are in flower now? Mine are only just starting to grow.
Title: Re: Iris rosenbachiana variability
Post by: Alex on January 30, 2010, 08:51:48 PM
Hi David(s),

I didn't realise those names still stand, but the checklist does indeed confirm it - good to know I don't have to change the labels.

David S., they are indeed in flower now. When you say your easier Junos are treated this way, does this imply you grow some of the trickier ones another way?

Title: Re: Iris rosenbachiana variability
Post by: David Shaw on January 30, 2010, 09:29:10 PM
Alex, I am moving up the ladder very slowly. The trickier ones came from the seed exchange a couple of weeks ago :)
I do desire the Juno's but I am a long way from being confident about them. The highlight of my year, so far, is to note that such as aucheri and vicaria are alive and sprouting! My intention is to move on, but slowly - I have put far too much money into the compost bin in the past :'(
Title: Re: Iris rosenbachiana variability
Post by: Hristo on January 31, 2010, 06:49:02 AM
Alex, fighting those damp conditions and winning by all counts I'd say! Your junos have great form.
The I. stenophylla ssp. alisonii. is a stunner!
Title: Re: Iris rosenbachiana variability
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 31, 2010, 07:46:30 AM
Here are a couple from today, the first two being plants sold to me (quite a few years ago) as I. baldschuanica and I. nicolai. I've read since that these two are synonymous but both now sunk into I. rosenbachiana in any case, though I must say they don't look particularly similar to me.

Also an Iris narbutii and I. stenophylla ssp. alisonii.

Alex

The first two both rosenbackiana (nicolai is synonim at present - may be changes will come after Tony Hall's and Arnis Seisums monograph about Junos will come out). Baldschuanica is different. Will put picture later.
Iris narbutii and I. stenophylla ssp. alisonii very difficult with me, I never know - will I have them next spring or not.

Janis
Title: Re: Iris rosenbachiana variability
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 31, 2010, 07:51:55 AM
Alex, the Kew Checklist shows Iris baldschuanica and I. nicolai both as accepted names.


From what I can see your plant of I. baldschuanica conforms to the description Brian Mathew gives in "The Iris" of the original plant collected by Paul Furse in 1968.

Lovely show. 


Kew Checklist shows situation according last publications - are the names publicated correctly is most important.
Janis
Title: Re: Iris rosenbachiana variability
Post by: David Nicholson on January 31, 2010, 12:39:03 PM
http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?accepted_id=321597&repSynonym_id=321597&name_id=341029&status=false

http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/qsearch.do
Title: Re: Iris rosenbachiana variability
Post by: BULBISSIME on January 31, 2010, 12:58:48 PM
There are so meny different forms from same species that I found it very difficult to name them correctly !

I'm also waitng for a good monograph... Do you know when it will be out ??
Alex, another nice and healthy plants; congratulations.
Title: Re: Iris rosenbachiana variability
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 31, 2010, 04:47:55 PM
Great looking flowers on well grown plants Alex !!
Great selection !
Title: Re: Iris rosenbachiana variability
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 31, 2010, 05:13:20 PM
There are so meny different forms from same species that I found it very difficult to name them correctly !

I'm also waitng for a good monograph... Do you know when it will be out ??
Alex, another nice and healthy plants; congratulations.

By last communication with authors - still 3-4 years to wait. Researches on molecular level isn't fast but expensive...
Janis
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