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Specific Families and Genera => Hepatica => Topic started by: chris on January 25, 2010, 09:06:31 PM
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here we had a lot of snow, but in my alpine house the first Hepaticas start flowering
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Now, that's a wonderful way to start the 2010 Hepatica thread. Spring seems awfully far away at the moment but there is hope :)
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I agree, Gunilla, a grand beginning!
Tell me, Chris, is that Mevrouw Vermeire wearing a new hat in honour of your birthday today? ;)
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only when there is some sun the flowers opens for a few hours, this morning it is verry cold (-5°C), I hope it will be a little bit warmer than most of the plants will flower, lost a few buds eaten by mice I think.
thank you for the nice card Maggy,
just a year ago I came back from Japan with these nice things:
Hepatica asiatica 'Hatsu Hinode'
Hepatica asiatica 'Hayato'
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Hi Chris !
Long time no see - welcome back with these beauties ! They're really special ! :o :o :o
A very unusual pink !
I must find the time to come round again... :-[
In the mean time : Gelukkige verjaardag ! :D
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Hi Luc, thank you. This afthernoon we have some sun and these 4 Chinese beauties opened their first flower:
H.henryi pink, H.henryi double pink, H.yamatutai double pink and H.yamatutai pink
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here two other beauties,
H.red strain double
H.'Anjyu'
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Congratulations, Chris.
You have some absolute beauties there.
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Wow, Chris,
that red strain double is just very cool. I rather like the H. henryi pink as well. Interesting shading. Can't wait until Spring!
jamie
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Some very lovely ones there.
I was impressed with the red "Hayato". Very unusual color but the henry was very nice as well.
Thanks for showing
Joakim
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Absolutely wonderful prize Hepatica, Chris, even your photos have a oriental air about them 8)
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here a verry good red one, find in a japanese nursery between 100.000 others there where only 2 with this color and afther long discussions one was mine,
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Chris,
what a rare treasure! The contrast between the flower and its stamens is amazing. I take it you are or will be hybridizing with it.
jamie
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Wow, that is really 1 in 100,000 Chris :)
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You have the eye of a falcon Chris !!
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What a beautiful little treasure !!
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I hope you make every effort to propagate this beauty, Chris, esp. by seed. It likely won't come true, but if you are patient and have lots of space for seedlings, you may be able to breed a strain that comes reasonably true.
Too bad you weren't able to get both the crimson plants; if they were seedlings, then the two together would give a much better foundation to a breeding program. Would the nursery be willing to send you pollen from the other one, presuming that they have kept track of it?
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last year I had 3 seeds of this plant and at the moment 2 seedlings, onother 2 year and we can see if they are as good as the mother (and father)
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H.'Tamamushi' changes color when complete open
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Chris, your true red hepatica is a joy!
Is this colour fade as seen in 'Tamamushi' common in other doubles?
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Color fade is not common, here is H.'Shiouden' this one hold his color, sometimes it is not only the color that changes, I have a few plants where the shape changes to, in a couple of days I will show you that I hope,
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Color fade is not common, here is H.'Shiouden' this one hold his color, sometimes it is not only the color that changes, I have a few plants where the shape changes to, in a couple of days I will show you that I hope...
Most interesting, Chris, I look forward to learning more.
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Another very nice one Chris !! :D
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Chris, beautiful colors and flower forms. What do the plants look like, do they have nicely marbled foliage? I'd like very much to see what the entire plants look like. Thanks for sharing these very special forms.
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The new edition of 'Rare Plants' Spring Catalogue has just arrived. On the last page is a list of Japanese hepaticas with prices ranging from £25.00 to £655.00. And I thought snowdrop prices were crazy!
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The new edition of 'Rare Plants' Spring Catalogue has just arrived. On the last page is a list of Japanese hepaticas with prices ranging from £25.00 to £655.00. And I thought snowdrop prices were crazy!
Don't get nervous Gerry ;D ;D
When I last looked on Juergen Peeters website, I found one listed at 2500 €... :o :o
And I'm sure even more is payed in the "inside" trade for the "really special ones".. ::) ::)
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I now the prizes are crazy, this year a have some seeds from a auction in Japan and also these prizes are sometimes extremely high, I was lucky it was a present from a japanese friend and from the 100 seeds I got 95 germinate.
most of the leaves are green, Marc. sometimes mabled but now they are old and not so intresting to see, I show some leafforms later,
here one of my favourites, normally with grey-green leaves, I look tommorow for a picture with leaves
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Your plants are all wonderfull Chris
Heinz
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Chris, that Hepatica is an absolute dream 8)
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Is there nobody else with Hepaticas, here two others of my collection
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I think you are just getting them out of winter quicker than everyone else, Chris. :D
As Ian found when he visited Ashwood last weekend, they are just trying to wake their Hepaticas up with some heat for the early displays they hope to provide.
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Mine are just starting to show colour, another week or two.
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As yet, no signs of floral life here.
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ok, while you have to wait, i will show some more, it is not the full bloom but one or two flowers that opens.
here my first two doubles, I have these plants now 12 years:
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Is there nobody else with Hepaticas, here two others of my collection
Actually, I was waiting for John Gennard to turn out of his winter sleep ... ! ;D
Two more beauties Chris !
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Chris,
I'm really enjoying your fotos. I have but a few more common Hepaticas, but plan to get some named sorts this Spring and it's nice to see the variety. I'm particularly fond of the semi-doubles, although I could see getting overly enamoured with the full doubles. Amazing what has come from this rather humble genus. Good things in small packages.
thanks,
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Chris, very beautiful hepatica's.
I grow some too but only outside so they are still far from flowering.
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We have the worst winter in 23 years, frost and a thick layer of snow and only our Hepatica shows that spring is on its way. Last year we got the bright yellow Hepatica japonica and this is the first time we see it in flower. Three years ago we got seeds of a good friend. He uses Hepatica japonica T7-2 as the parent plant. He wrote to us, that when he uses T7-2 as the parent (mother) plant, there can be double and semi-double forms in the seed plants. Last year there was flower in a few of the seed plants and there was 4 semi-double, and this year there is one which has fully double flower.
Gunda & Karl Kristensen
Denmark
www.kalle-k.dk
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Gunda and Karl- how exciting to have these seedlings...... but... the YELLOW!! Oh my word.... SO beautiful!! 8) If this is how spring arrives, then it is all the more welcome!
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These are all too stunning for words. I agree, the yellow one with the ring of red anthers is unbelievable. I love the various petalloid stamen forms. Ha, I finally see some foliage here too.
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Sorry Luc,I am wide awake but the hepaticas are only just waking up.I have'nt even given them frost protection this year so I think they are sulking.In any case, I thought that you may have tired of seeing them by now.
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Hepatica japonica yellow form is SO beautiful, congratulations on its first flowering - a lovely photo too :)
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Gunda and Karl, very nice Hepatica's. The yellow one is nice indeed but I like the G seedling too.
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Gunda og Kalle, Hvor er den da smuk :o
What a beautiful yellow hepatica. I love the contrasting red anthers.
I am thankful for all your photos - thanks for posting. My plants are all out under the snow.
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Everyone beat me to it. Simply stunning that yellow...and the others ain't bad either. Wow.
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OMG a yellow Hepatica, absolutely stunning,drooling all over my computer. :o
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Gunda and Karl nice to hear from you, ofcorse the yellow one is fantastic, I wait to see mine Yellow to flower the first time, I have it from last year and hope to see the first flower this year, when it's flowering I hope to cross it with the crimson one to create a orange color, see it in tree years if we have lucky, I love verry much the T-7 D.
here tree pictures of the same flower of H.'Cho no Mai', the first 2 weeks ago the last today
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Marc here one with some foliage: H.Hana no Nami'
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Marc here one with some foliage: H.Hana no Nami'
Thanks Chris, I like the green staminodes in that one. Interesting to see how the colors change with flower age. I like to see what these plants look like when seeing the foliage, thanks for including some foliage. :)
Interesting too, in your previous series, how it takes a couple weeks for some of the flower parts to mature. All very nice.
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I love hepatica - most of mine are forms of H. transsilvanica (my two Japanese did not survive an unscheduled repotting by my chickens!) They still need a couple of weeks here but I went to the AGS Loughborough sale yesterday and Edrom's display was fantastic! Poor pictures I'm afraid but they will give you an idea of the treasures they have. I deliberately did not look closely at their sale hepaticas as I didn't dare fall in love. I had already managed to spend the money that was meant for my son's school lunches next week!
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I notice that a lot of the Hepatica on show still have their old leaves,I cut off all the old leaves when moving them to their flowering positions on the greenhouse bench. Is this the proper procedure or not?
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It occurs to me that if I had paid £100 for a hepatica japonica, I would be leaving it with as much foliage as possible for it to build it's strength up!
They are not the most robust of plants here and I would hesitate to give them the same treatment that I would for the stronger species and forms. :-X
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Maggi,are you suggesting that I paid a £100 for a hepatica.? ;D ;D ;D
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Maggi,are you suggesting that I paid a £100 for a hepatica.? ;D ;D ;D
Good grief, Michael, I would never be so daft as to make THAT mistake!! ;D ::)
Edrom must have some crafty method of packing those stylish pots for transit... they'd be a nightmare otherwise... that shape is just asking to tip over inthe back of a van!
Gail, your poor boy, risking lunchlessness!..... come on folks, let's have a whip round for sandwiches for Master Harland's lunches next week....his mother has been reckless!
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I cut only sick or death leaves, on shows in Japan you always see leaves when a plant has no leaves than it will be taken out the show.
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Chris, most interesting to hear the protocol for the Japanese hepatica shows, thank you.
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We cut the old leaves when new leaves are beginning to come.
We have few types of the yellow, the picture I send of before is the best until now. I send a picture of one where the flower is not so big and the yellow colour is more light. We also have a yellow form with a green stem, but no flowers yet. We also have a double yellow, but it is the same, we have not seen it in bloom yet, so there is plenty to look forward to when spring comes. :)
Gunda & Karl Kristensen
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I cut only sick or death leaves, on shows in Japan you always see leaves when a plant has no leaves than it will be taken out the show.
Sounds rather sensible, glad to hear it. In the 'Tensai' photo shown by Gail, I think the flowers subtended by a base of waxy foliage is very attractive and perfectly natural looking.
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Hej Chris
It will be interesting if you can get an orange flower by crossing the yellow Hepatica, I've seen some images of Hepatica Jap. which were yellow in the middle, they were really nice.
Gunda og Karl
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I hope my yellow will flower, at this moment I dont see flowerbuds, I save some pollen from the red one in the fridge.
here tho others: 2 pics of a good white one and H.'Tsumabeni'
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Gail, your poor boy, risking lunchlessness!..... come on folks, let's have a whip round for sandwiches for Master Harland's lunches next week....his mother has been reckless!
Maggi - reckless is not the word I'd use. I bought a bulb of Galanthus 'Long Drop' from Rannveig Wallis; now I've just got to teach the boys to twin-scale and then long after I am gone they can be selling snowdrops to augment their pensions. That's shrewd not reckless surely?? ;)
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Maggi - reckless is not the word I'd use. I bought a bulb of Galanthus 'Long Drop' from Rannveig Wallis; now I've just got to teach the boys to twin-scale and then long after I am gone they can be selling snowdrops to augment their pensions. That's shrewd not reckless surely?? ;)
Now you explain your long term plan, Gail, I must indeed congratulate you on your far-sightedness in the care of your boys!
If you intend also to teach them skills in breeding more hardy, unusual hepaticas, then they will surely be able to live the life of Riley! ;D Good Luck! ;) :D
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My Hepaticas need to be repotted. Can I do it now? They are in 2L long toms and I hope to put then in to 3L long toms.
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Cripes! How big ARE they???
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My Hepaticas need to be repotted. Can I do it now? They are in 2L long toms and I hope to put then in to 3L long toms.
I wouldn't do it now, they're just coming into growth, I'd repot either in June or in the Autumn. As for 3L long toms - WOW - can you show a picture Mark? (I do as the Japanese do, and trim the roots back each year so mine never bigger than 1L long toms)
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My Hepaticas need to be repotted. Can I do it now? They are in 2L long toms and I hope to put then in to 3L long toms.
For several years I have followed the advice of Ashwood Nurseries. "Repot... after flowering, usually at the end of March. Remove old compost ....thin old roots by up to one third." All my plants (common & cheap species/forms) are still alive & flower reasonably well.
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They arent good plants and dont flower well. I just thought they could do with a boost. Totally crap compared to Edroms plants
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The root chopping does seem to work very well, I do it too, and repot just after flowering.
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I repot at the end of september than the roots start to grow, I always repot in 1.5L pots, if the plant is too big than I pull off some divisions, I try to hold 5 flowerbuds for repotting, most of my Hepaticas havent 5 noses so I repot these plants every 2 years and only cut sick and death roots
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I repot at the end of september than the roots start to grow, I always repot in 1.5L pots, if the plant is too big than I pull off some divisions, I try to hold 5 flowerbuds for repotting, most of my Hepaticas havent 5 noses so I repot these plants every 2 years and only cut sick and death roots
Chris, your 'Hanaguruma' is a special beauty, classic elegance. Do you know what 'Hanaguruma' translates to, as there is an Epimedium x youngianum 'Hanaguruma' (see http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4769.150), although I labeled mine as it was received: 'Hanagaruma', I see both spellings used for the Epimedium, one of those spellings is probably wrong.
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Mark,
as I recall, Hana-guruma means flower basket or flower wagon/cart. Hana is definitely flower. A popular illustration for paintings and fabrics.
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Regelian, I agree with you.
In Japan , Hepatica is very popular now. Many colours and forms are tried to make.
And new forms are named in Japanese.
Hatsu-hinode is New years- Sunrise.
Cho-no-Mai is Dancing of Butterfly.
Hana-no-Nami is Waving of Flowers.
Tsumabeni is Red-edge
Murasaki-shikibu is the Japanese famous novelist 1000 years ago. And Muraski means
purple colour also.
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thank you verry much Tetsuo Nakazato, it is nice to hear what these names means,
here H.j.'Hokkiko'
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My first Hepatica this year.
Hepatica nobilis pink form.
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Hanaguruma should mean flower-wheel or perhaps better wheel-flower.
Kuruma usually means automobile these days but is also use to indicate wheel shape.
Can anyone please explain to me how there can be a benefit of prunig roots of a herb?
Of course I remove dead roots from anything I replant but why pruning live roots?
Pruning roots of bonsai is a different issue but I would not try to dwarf a hepatica?
Cheers
Göte
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A few more out today.
Hepatica japonica Sakuragari
Hepatica nobilis blue
Hepatica nobilis white
Hepatica nobilis pink
Hepatica transilvanica lilacina
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Can anyone please explain to me how there can be a benefit of pruning roots of a herb? Of course I remove dead roots from anything I replant but why pruning live roots? Pruning roots of bonsai is a different issue but I would not try to dwarf a hepatica?
The bonsaists (to coin a word) don't prune roots solely to dwarf their pet trees. It seems to be a matter of keeping the root system young and healthy. The general rule with established bonsai is to remove about one third of the root system annually.
Really, any potted plant with a perennial root system probably needs this treatment to stay in the best of health. What the underlying physiological facts are I don't know, but it may be nothing more than that old roots simply aren't as efficient in absorbing nutrients from the soil.
And there's the fact that the process evidently leads to better health of the plants; the proof is in the pudding, as it's often said. (What is the Swedish equivalent to that adage?)
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Translate Japanese name
'Sakuragari'・・・perhaps it is Sakuragai. Sakura-gai means Pink-shell.
Sakura is the cherry blossom.
'Hokkik0'・・・A song of a travellor who lost his dream and go
home in north of Japan.
'Tamamushi'・・・Japanese jewel beetle with iridescent color
' Anjyu'・・・peaceful happiness, girl's name in old japanese story.
' Shihouden'・・・ Treasure house
' Hayato' ・・・It means old Japanese people who live in Kyushu.
I cannot understand the meanning.Is spelling wright?
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I dont now if the spelling is right, I have the name from the nursery where I bought it, 'Shikoku Garden'
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Translate Japanese name
' Anjyu'・・・peaceful happiness, girl's name in old japanese story.
Tetsuo - is this the story 'Sansho Dayu', the source of the wonderful film by Mizoguchi Kenji?
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Gerry Webster , That' right!
" Sansho-dayu" is a famous story in the medieval Japan. It is played as Jyoruri
play. Mori ogai wrote this as a novel. And it was filmed by Mizoguchi Kenzi.
In this story , Sanshodayu is a broker and sell young "Anzyu-hime". Hime
means princess. ・・・・・・。
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Chris
I found the Hepatica which is named "Hayato". Hayato means the brave people who lived in the south of old Japan .
The name is right as you said . But it is very difficult to know the reasons why .
I can not explain the relation between the name and the flower. I think it was named
as mere feeling.
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thank you verry much Tetsuo,
here two pics of a seedling, all the flowers have double bracts and two rows of six flowerleaves,
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But only 6 stamens! So that's where the extra tepals (is that right?) came from!
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Anne,
when I was sending this I haven't my dictionary with me and I'm not that good in languages thats why I wrote flowerleaves but I think it must be sepals or petals, is there a theacher on the forum?
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Hi Chris. Technically you were right on, flowers are just modified leaf material.
John B
Anne,
when I was sending this I haven't my dictionary with me and I'm not that good in languages thats why I wrote flowerleaves but I think it must be sepals or petals, is there a theacher on the forum?
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Whatever they are, it is a beauty!
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Looking at various floras describing Hepatica, they refer to usual 3 leaf-like items that subtend the flower as involucral bracts, involucral leaves, or just bracts, and the flowers themselves as sepals. Seems simple enough to refer to them as bracts and sepals.
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By the way, was looking around at this web site today, some beautiful Hepatica (check pages 1-4):
http://www.kalle-k.dk/hepatica%20English.htm
...and there's even a page on Hepatica leaf forms, some are beautiful.
http://www.kalle-k.dk/hepatica%20leaf%20English.htm
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Yes,McMark that is the website of forumist Karl Kristensen ..... lovely, isn't it?
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thank you Marc, here another strange plant, sometimes with doubles the year that you divide them some make pistels and stamens, in stress the plant will produce seeds, with H.jap.'Imaizumi' I have every year double and single flowers on the same plant:
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here H.jap.picotee with leaves, specially for you MarcMc, these are the old leaves, in the young leaves there is more grey
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here H.jap.picotee with leaves, specially for you MarcMc, these are the old leaves, in the young leaves there is more grey
Thanks Chris for including the leaves in that photo. Very nice leaves they are too, reminiscent of Cyclamen, or better yet, sort of Asarum-like with beautiful mottling.
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Hepatica in flower today.
1-2-3 & 4 Hepatica nobilis
5 & 6 Hepatica japonica. Sorry the last pic is a bit out of focus,taken in a hurry.
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Michael,
really nice plants. Is Hep. japonica 2 really that red?
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Yes it really is that colour,the pic was take when it as cloudy so the colour came out true for a change. It has just opened so the sun has not faded it yet.
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verry nice color, Michael, for my H. nobilis it is to early they are all outside, here 2 others opened today
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really nice plants. Is Hep. japonica 2 really that red?
Wim,I have been tickling those flowers and hope to get a few seed, would you like a few if they set?
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Doing some catching up, Chris your Hepatica are to die for, really amazing plants. I have a few in the garden and one in a pot H. Yuunami just beginning to flower. I bought in Dunblane early bulb show last year so haven't seen it in flower yet. I hope some of the stalls will have some this year after seeing all those cute little flowers I would like to get some more, hopefully they will be cheaper than what was said in some of the posts.
Angie :)
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Angie. you will need to re-mortgage the house to buy some of those.
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Michael, your red Hepatica japonica is very amazing ::) Beautiful fotos all ;)
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Angie. you will need to re-mortgage the house to buy some of those.
:o :o :o
Angie :)
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a few more today.
Hepatica media Harvington Beauty.
Hepatica transsilvanica
Hepatica nobilis rubra plena
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Gorgeous flowers, rubra plena is so sweet.
Angie :)
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It was my intention to grow only hardy Hepatica spp., but a lot of wonderful picts here have done a good job: So I´ll try to grow some of these wonderful clones too.
Here is my first plant, a gift from a German friend,which I have got last fall. I have made this pict at an Orchid show of the local group last week.
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verry nice flower Gerhard, I haven't see these narrow pointed petals,
here one of my favorites: H.'Suinen'
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Both are very beautiful.
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verry nice color, Michael, for my H. nobilis it is to early they are all outside, here 2 others opened today
i really like the first one, chris--just a hint of colour..
i'm not familiar with where all the hepatica forms come from--are these all hybrids, or selections from natural mutations or all of the above?
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At last a little warmth and sunshine has had the desired effect.Here are a few of the first.Nothing special,most of them being seedlings from my own plants apart from Benikanzan,Craemar and transylvanica alba
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and the rest
Hepatica maxima
Hepatica tri-loba cobalt blue
Hepatica transylvanica alba
Hepatica maxima with old leaves
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Ohhhh :o Hepatica maxima ::) :D
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I didn't know it...
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Nothing special
::) ::) ::)
Blimey John - you seem difficult to please... ;D ;D ;)
They're gorgeous plants ! 8)
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Hepatica tri-loba cobalt blue is just stunning :P
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At last a little warmth and sunshine has had the desired effect.Here are a few of the first.Nothing special,most of them being seedlings from my own plants apart from Benikanzan,Craemar and transylvanica alba
Well you cant say that these Hepatica flowers are nothing special, everyone is lovely. What a fantastic collection. I bought a few at our Dunblane day and I hope that my plants will look like yours someday.
Angie :)
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Hepaticas at Harlow yesterday, I particularly liked H. japonica 'Utyuu'.
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Gail and all the others thanks for the lovely photos
I liked the H. nobilis with marbled foliage and thinks it is nice to see the foliage on the exhibition plants.
Great plants and a true blessing to be able to enjoy this over the internet.
Kind regards
Joakim
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here in the alpine house most of the Hepaticas are in flower, a nice one is H.'Tikinsyo', I dont now if the name is correct, it doesnt matter I think
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That one is gorgeous Chris - lovely flowers and leaves!
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That one is gorgeous Chris - lovely flowers and leaves!
I second that motion, such elegant flowers beautifully presented above fine foliage... oo la la!
The white and green in the flowers play off the white and green marbled leaves.
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Very nice one Chris
It is a bit like the erathis pin.... but that does not have this fancy foliage.
Very nice with this marbled foliage.
Hope You can take time to show the others also in flower.
In the north there is still snow on top of he plants so we like to see some of the ones flowering.
Best regards
Joakim
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here in the alpine house most of the Hepaticas are in flower, a nice one is H.'Tikinsyo', I dont now if the name is correct, it doesnt matter I think
No, it doesn't matter. H.'Tikinsyo' is a real beauty, correctly named or not :). I love those marbled leaves and the flowers as well. A perfect match.
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H.'Tikinsyo' or no its got my vote - outstanding flowers and foliage Chris.
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A few in flower here today.
Hepatica japonica
Hepatica nobilis
Hepatica nobilis pink
Hepatica transilvanica lilacina
Hepatica yamatutai ? usually white( this is now thought to be a hyb between Hepatica yamatutai & Hepatica Nobilis.
Greenhouse bench.
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Wonderful Michael - especially that top one!
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A few in flower here today.
That first one is a very unusual colour, Michael. Is the photo true to the actual colour?
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Yes, that's it ,no alteration to the pic.
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Wow,
Michael. You should be Mr. amazing Hepatica... ;)
Love the first H. jap. and the first H. nobilis with the white star in the blue flower.
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Wonderful show Michael !!!
Don't they look even more attractive in the sunshine ;) ;)
Chris,
Tikinsyo is a true stunner !!
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It must be so good to go into your greenhouse, Michael, and see all your beautiful Hepatica out in flower - the dark H Jap is such a rich velvety colour, I love it :)
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Michael lovely japonica. Very nice colour. Have you tested to mix it with a nobilis nobilis to get some improved hardiness?
It seems as if You have many of the nobilis and transilvanica in the green house it it to enjoy them better (earlier) and to do breeding or how come they are inside.
The transilvanica lilacina is beautiful with 12 petals and lovely unusual colour (for transivanica at least). Is it a strain or a divided plant?
Kind regards
Joakim
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I am working on a breeding plan now so will be a couple of years before results. The Hepatica plants stay outside most of the year and only come into the greenhouse in December when they are placed under the bench,then when they start to show flower buds they are placed on top of the bench where they will stay until after seed set. They are then re-potted and put outside again. Too wet here to work with them outside.
Transilvanica lilacina is a strain.
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Michael,I stand to be corrected but I have always understood that yamatutai is only ever white.I did happen to take s photo. today but not with my close-up lens attatched and with not much care so forgive the quality.
Does anyone else have any views ?
Hepatica yamatutai
Hepatica yamatutai
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Chris,TIKINSYO is very lovely,so refined and subtle.
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John,I agree,I always thought it was white, but I got most of my stock plants from Ashwood and this one still has the Ashwood label on it,so I took it at face value. Who am I to question Ashwood on Hepaticas. I do not have any other yamatutai in stock . kalle-k who is a forum member has a pink one on his page.
http://www.kalle-k.dk/hepatica%20English.htm
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John,I have emailed Philip at Ashwood and will let you know of his reply.
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Thanks for that Michael.I look forward to what Phillip has to say and thanks for the other web-site adress,I wasn't aware of that.
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Thanks for the explanation Michael and good luck with the breeding
Kind regards
Joakim
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the only pink H.yamatutai that I now (and have) is pink outside and white inside, in China H.yamatutai, H.henrii and sometimes H.insularis are growing together, so maby it is a wild hybrid, al of my H.yamatutai have these divided bracts (photo 4)
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all of my H.yamatutai have these divided bracts
That is an interesting feature, Chris..... I cannot see too clearly on Michael or John's photos, but they seem to have plain bracts....... more of a mystery, eh? !
All pretty plants, that's for sure.
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I agree with Maggi, very nice plant Chris ::)
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Thanks for that Michael.I look forward to what Phillip has to say and thanks for the other web-site adress,I wasn't aware of that.
John,here is the reply from Philip.
Philip Baulk
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Hi Michael
Hepatica yamatutai is usually a very pure white. There is a very beautiful and rare form which has pink shading on the reverse of the petals but this is probably not the one you have got. The most likely answer is that your plant is the result of a chance cross between H.yamatutai and a pink form of H.nobilis, which can happen very occasionally and is in itself a very desirable form. I hope this answers your enquiry as far as I am able,
Kind regards, Philip
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I thought that was the case Michael,thanks for the clarification.Here are two better pictures of mine.
Hepatica yamatutai
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The first of my 2009 sowings germinated about 2/3 weeks ago and the other pics. are of fourth year from sowing seedlings flowering in the 3ltr.pots into which I prick out before I plant individually the following year.Note the variability.
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One or two more established ones
Harukaze
Un-named double
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Murasaki-shikibu
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Reverse of petals of pyrenaica
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Yamatutai X japonica
Pubescens ex.'Tenginbai'
Transylvanica alba
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Wow, what a fantastic colour 8).
Angie :)
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John very nice seedlings in great variety. Well done 8)
Are they of japonica type or of European nobilis type?
They are very colorful with two colored ones so I presume that it is japonica but I have seen some nobilis with similar characteristics but not as mixed.
Great to see the seedlings.
By the way are there a characteristic that one can use to see the difference between nobilis nobilis and nobilis japonica?
Kind regards
Joakim
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By the way are there a characteristic that one can use to see the difference between nobilis nobilis and nobilis japonica?
Kind regards
Joakim
Have you seen this thread, Joakim?
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5114.msg139840#msg139840
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Yes Maggi I did see it and think it is interesting but since the difference between these two forms are based on geography it is not clear if it exists some other difference.
I even looked for the paper but there is no mentioning of any work by that author in "web of science" regarding hepatica so maybe a misspelling some how?
Kind regards
Joakim
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Once I made some research to find out which Hepaticas are species and which are varieties.
It resulted in the below, which looks quite similar to the one from Rodger Whitlock.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5114.msg139840#msg139840
I know falconeri, x media and maxima lacks in the below
Hepatica acutiloba = Hepatica nobilis var. acuta
Hepatica americana = Hepatica nobilis var. obtusa
Hepatica angulosa = Hepatica transsylvanica
Hepatica asiatica = Hepatica nobilis var. asiatica
Hepatica insularis = Hepatica nobilis var. insularis
Hepatica japonica = Hepatica nobilis var. japonica
Hepatica pubescens = Hepatica nobilis var. pubescens
Hepatica pyrenaica = Hepatica nobilis var. pyrenaica
Hepatica transsylvanica = Hepatica transsilvanica
Hepatica triloba = Hepatica nobilis var. nobilis
Hepatica triloba var. americana = Hepatica nobilis var. obtusa
Hepatica triloba var. acuta = Hepatica nobilis var. acuta
Hepatica yamatutae = Hepatica henryi
What I found out at that time was, that yamatutai is a synonym to henry. Later I read that yamatutai is henry var. yamatutai.
Thank you for your key Aaron, it is very useful, and what do you say about the question henry/yamatutai?
Maybe others in the forum know something?
And what about maxima? is it a species or a variety?
There is disagreement in the literature.
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Joakim ,the flowering seedlings are from japonica but I must admit to not being very botanically minded and therefore not able to cast any light on your other queries.Everyone seems to have a different opinion as to nobilis and japonica and current nomenclature seems to favour nobilis japonica though I prefer to keep them separate.
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The seeds of Hepatica maxima is black, it's not on any other Hepatica I have seen.
Ulla
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I have seen several black seeds of japonica.
Gunhild
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The seeds of Hepatica maxima is black, it's not on any other Hepatica I have seen. Ulla
Hepatica maxima seed is much larger than other Hepatica seed and is black one end and white the other. It also has a different germination pattern and takes two years to germinate.
I can't find a picture of the seed, so I've made a diagram
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Here is a pic of my H. maxima seed last year. The white half doesn't show up very well but they are like mianiature versions of the ying yang beans.
(I don't think they take two years to germinate with me.)
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John,
I was very impressed with your range of japonica seedlings. Did you deliberately cross-pollinate specific singles, or are they open pollinated in the greenhouse? Also I wondered whether cross-pollinating japonica with the european nobilis (say the deep cobalt blue form) has been tried.
Peter
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Hepatica maxima seed is much larger than other Hepatica seed and is black one end and white the other. It also has a different germination pattern and takes two years to germinate.
I can't find a picture of the seed, so I've made a diagram
(I don't think they take two years to germinate with me.)
With me they don't take two years: I've sown some last year in May and they are germinating now.
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With me they don't take two years: I've sown some last year in May and they are germinating now.
All my other hepaticas are sown in May or June and germinate in the spring, but I've never actually grown H maxima from seed, so I was just quoting what John Massey had said about them taking two years to germinate, clearly other people's experiences are different. It is certainly a very different looking seed
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[All my other hepaticas are sown in May or June and germinate in the spring, but I've never actually grown H maxima from seed, so I was just quoting what John Massey had said about them taking two years to germinate, clearly other people's experiences are different. It is certainly a very different looking seed
Something new to learn every day on this forum, eh Diane. I know I do.
They are very different looking seeds indeed. And the first to germinate with me. All the H. nobilis and H. japonica seeds which I've sown last year are not yet germinating.
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Diane, forgot to ask. Do you keep the Hepatica's which have just germinated outdoors or do you take them indoors? And if you take them indoors do you place them in the shade or in the sun?
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Diane, forgot to ask. Do you keep the Hepatica's which have just germinated outdoors or do you take them indoors? And if you take them indoors do you place them in the shade or in the sun?
Hi Wim
Very interesting about the H maxima. Do they ripen in the same way as the other species (as the other species are often still green when ready to sow).
My nobilis and japonica (sown last June) started germinating a couple of weeks ago, and I continue to find newly germinated pots every few days at the moment. The pots have been outside and uncovered all winter and as they germinate, I bring them under cover but shaded.
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Hi Diane,
I'm not sure about their ripening process, I got them from a friend and they were black/white when I sowed them. There wasn't any green to see.
Thanks for the info.
Wim
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I also got seed of Hepatica maxima from a friend last year. It was late August when the seed fell off her plant so they seem to need a longer time to ripen. I sowed them at once and hope they will germinate this spring.
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Gunhild,
There will always be disagreement in the literature, especially in reading a flora of a particular area because they tend to be slightly outdated in the literature they use and resistant to change. Even the scientific literature is in disagreement. We could be calling these all Anemones of the species nobilis, or would it be A. hepatica, and its varieties.
Hepatica maxima is a good species, completely distinct in morphology and DNA. H. insularis is native to the southern mountains and islands of Korea and is also very unique. Hepatica henryi is in north-central China and apparently separated from H. yamatutai, which is endemic to Emei Shan. They are completely distinct in morphology and easily told apart. Zonneveld (unpubl.-still?) shows that the two are distinct in nuclear DNA content also supported by Mabuchi et al. (2005). Sadly Zonneveld does not support the distinction of keeping H. acutiloba and H. americana separate -- which are clearly distinct in morphology and habitat, though I have seen populations where the two are close together (<100m). He also lumps H. asiatica (from mainland China and Korea) with H. n. japonica, making H. asiatica var. japonica, but I think the two being geographically isolated should be kept separate; H. asiatica and H. japonica (nobilis is European). My experience is that H. asiatica has more pointed lobes than what is typical for the H. japonica types.
Aaron Floden
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A few more from here today.
Hepatica japonica Anjyu 1
Hepatica japonica Anjyu 2
Hepatica japonica shokouden 1
Hepatica japonica shokouden 2
Hepatica japonica haruno-awayuki 1
Hepatica japonica haruno-awayuki 2
Hepatica japonica pink
Hepatica nobilis rubra plena
Hepatica nobilis indigo strain
Hepatica Maxima.
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And one more
A mixed batch on the bench.
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Really nice Michael,
here are some flowering in the garden for the moment:
H. jap. 'Asahi' (planted last year, so it hasn't got it's double flower yet)
H. jap. 'Goshozakura' (just opened, flower changes after opening)
H. jap. 'Saichou'
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Wow, trying to knock us off our socks Michael ?? ;D ;D
Great series !
Good to see you're trying to grow yours outside Wim !! Very Brave ! They seem to have stood the bad winter well !!
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Good to see you're trying to grow yours outside Wim !! Very Brave ! They seem to have stood the bad winter well !!
;)
They grow in a sheltered place where they are in shade during the summer and they stand the winter well. 'Goshozakura' and 'Saichou' have been growing there for two years and they do very well, especially 'Saichou' which seems to be clumping up very quickly.
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John,
I was very impressed with your range of japonica seedlings. Did you deliberately cross-pollinate specific singles, or are they open pollinated in the greenhouse? Also I wondered whether cross-pollinating japonica with the european nobilis (say the deep cobalt blue form) has been tried.
Peter
Hello Peter,long time no hear.All of my seedlings are open pollinated.I don't have the time or discipline required to keep records of the crosses made.
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After a long long winter is my Hepatica begun to flourish. There are still several places in the garden where there is 90 cm. snow, but it has begun to melt and I can now see a few plants ;D
The green semi-double Hepatica is one which I have made from seeds and there were only a few that were green and semi-doubles.
Karl Kristensen,
Denmark
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The snow in the garden covering all that is to come makes the flowering of your Hepatica like pristine jewels, Karl, and I particularly like your Hepatica jap Akamusha.
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Three from me today. Not up to the usual standard because of the sun.
Hepatica japonica Taeka.
Hepatica japonica Toki.
Hepatica transsilvanica Mrs Elison Spence
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Hello,
Wonderful plants and brilliant pictures! I could not fail to notice that not only do you have specialist knowledge about plants but you all appear to be professional photographers too. This makes the whole viewing experience even more pleasurable. Thank you. Keep those pictures coming... :)
I wonder if any of you happen to grow H. nobilis var japonica 'Oomurasaki'?
I bought a young plant at Gardening Scotland Show in Edinburgh last year. However, due to my complete inexperience and lack of knowledge in hepatica cultivation, I managed to lose somewhat not the strongest specimen :'(. I guess it had no chances to survive the 'numerous' re-pottings (4 to be precise), damp summer, cold winds, freezing winter and hardly any feeding. :-[
Reading through Hepatica posts in the old and in the new forum, I have noticed this particular plant mentioned only once. It appears to be really rare?! This simply adds to my grief. I would love to have a second go... :-[
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Vilma, welcome and don't feel embarrassed about losing your Hepatica, just sad at its passing....in no time you will glean the expertise from the Forum and I'm sure will have success in the future. I hope you find your 'rare' H. nobilis var japonica 'Oomurasaki again to have another opportunity to see it thrive.
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Vilma, welcome and don't feel embarrassed about losing your Hepatica, just sad at its passing....in no time you will glean the expertise from the Forum and I'm sure will have success in the future. I hope you find your 'rare' H. nobilis var japonica 'Oomurasaki again to have another opportunity to see it thrive.
Dear Ragged Robin, thank you for the welcome and the encouraging word :)
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Hello Peter,long time no hear.All of my seedlings are open pollinated.I don't have the time or discipline required to keep records of the crosses made.
Thanks for that John, it's encuraging to see that such a splendid range of seedlings can come from open pollination. I'm really tempted to try a single, pink japonica type with dark anthers crossed with the cobalt blue nobilis as a deliberate cross this year - I'll keep you posted on results.
Sorry not to have met up at Loughborough again this year - my daughter's wedding was the following day and I wouldn't dare suggesting driving 3 hours each way to Loughborough the day before that event. :D.
Peter
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Thanks for the answer John
Wim Take the chance and try to make some seeds from Your double if it has all the parts needed now that it single. Maybe it will result in some double or semi double that are nice.
Michael nice colour range of nobilis.
Regarding transilvanica I am wondering if that is not "just" a nobilis with double chromosomes and that would explain better vigour and the extra lobing. No scientific thinking more than the obvious from chromosome counting. Not sure if one can see the difference between a plant that is 2n=28 and 4n=28?
Vilma welcome and hope You find the hepatica again. Maybe the same seller will have more this year?
Kind regards
Joakim
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here one you dont see often, H.insularis, the old leaves disappear in autum? the flowers and leaves appear together in spring
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thank you Maggy
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;D ;) :-* , happy to help, Chris!
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Michael amazing plants again 8) , really enjoying these pictures.
Angie :)
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here one you dont see often, H.insularis, the old leaves disappear in autum? the flowers and leaves appear together in spring
Chris, a demure beauty, love the chocolate bronze new leaves, sets off the simple white blooms nicely.
All the other Hepaticas posted here are setting me up for a terrible plant addiction, they're all so amazing, I want each and every one of them.
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here 3 verry small flowers, divisions from wild plants send to me
there is a blog from Philippe Feret with a lot of Hepaticas: http://www.horti-culture.com/
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So pretty, Chris ::) :D :D :D
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That's a great link Chris, there's plenty of tempting photos.
Your wild plant divisions are interesting, I had always assumed that most of these double forms were the result of intensive breeding.
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here 3 verry small flowers, divisions from wild plants send to me
All three are exquisite. How small are they, Chris ?
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only 1 cm, and they grow verry slow, I had to wait 3 years for the first flower,
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Vilma welcome and hope You find the hepatica again. Maybe the same seller will have more this year?
Kind regards
Joakim
Dear Joakim,
Thank you very much. Great idea and I was toying with the same thought for a while.
I bought my H. nobilis var jap. 'Oomurasaki' from Jacques Amand International last year. I thought myself very fortunate as I never even expected to find hepaticas on show in June! I did found their website, but I cannot find any hepaticas on their online plant list. They probably do not specialise in these plants.
The Beeches Nursery had this plant on their plant list 2009. However, by the time I gathered my wits, it was removed from their 2010 plant list. They've sold it!
I shall continue to treasurer the hope :)
In the main time, I absolutely adore the Hepatica pictures on this thread. Michael and Chris, your Hepaticas are stunning! ::)
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Dear Hepatica specialists,
Simply curious... I call on your expertise!
I read that some hepatica species (not mentioned which ones) can have a delicate fragrance ::). Do you happen to know of any such hepaticas?
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Vilma,
Edrom nurseries listed it once too. It's no longer on their sales list but you can always ask them.
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Vilma,
Edrom nurseries listed it once too. It's no longer on their sales list but you can always ask them.
Thank you, WimB. That's an idea :)
I am full of questions today.. I have another one for those who propagate hepaticas by seed.
I have this crazy idea to try and collect hepatica seeds myself this spring (no experience whatsoever). I read of the seed collection with the help of a teabag which you attach onto flower head past it's flowering and once the seed look ripe. Easy peasy, but...
How do you know when the seeds fall off and take the teabag (with the seeds in it) off? It's rather hard to see... As the freshness of the seed is important, I suspect you do not tend to keep them in the teabag for long..
How do you do it? Are there any other ways of collecting the seeds?
Also, how do you tend to collect hepatica seeds in the wild? :o
Your answers are very much appreciated... :)
This should keep the thread going for a couple of minutes ::)
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I am full of questions today.. I have another one for those who propagate hepaticas by seed.
I have this crazy idea to try and collect hepatica seeds myself this spring (no experience whatsoever). I read of the seed collection with the help of a teabag which you attach onto flower head past it's flowering and once the seed look ripe. Easy peasy, but...
How do you know when the seeds fall off and take the teabag (with the seeds in it) off? It's rather hard to see... As the freshness of the seed is important, I suspect you do not tend to keep them in the teabag for long..
How do you do it? Are there any other ways of collecting the seeds?
I've read about the teabags too but as you sound like someone who will be checking your hepaticas regularly, I think you will find it easy enough without the teabags. I just check them every few days - if you hold a seedhead between your first two fingers and rub the seed with your thumb, when they are ready they come away easily and drop into the palm of your hand. Once the first ones are ready you can check every day for the rest.
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OK, I admit it, I'm the teabag person.
I can't manage to check the plants daily ::) also I have too many, and the plants are inclined to drop their seeds into the next pot.
The pictures show:
1. Green seeds still firm on the plant.
2. The curling down of the stems ensuring they drop into the next pot.
3. Tea bag held in place with wire twist
4. Green ripe seed - this is ready to sow when it has dropped off, or as Gail says, when it comes away in your fingers. The teabag holds it until you can harvest it. You can feel when it has dropped off, but a few days or a couple of weeks will not matter.
Last year my seed was harvested from the middle to the end of May and I was so busy posting it round the world I didn't get round to sowing my own until 19 June. It was clearly OK after 3 weeks, as several pots have recently germinated (picture 5).
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Some more detail here in my blog last year
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Midland/+April+/189/ (http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Midland/+April+/189/)
At Ashwood they use a similar system to hold the seed on hellebores - muslin bags with a draw string (used by bird ringers). I think that gave me the original idea and I did try home made fabric bags, but the mice bit through them. The resident mice haven't yet worked out what the teabags are holding, or maybe they just don't like the taste of tea ;D
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Vilma and all,
Hepatica acutiloba tends to have a sweet fragrance like what we call Jawbreaker candies here in the US. It is especially strong on still warm spring days when you can smell it coming down a hillside full of Hepatica. I have not noticed this in H. americana. A friend in Japan says certain populations of H. japonica are also "fragrant" which he likened to womens powder makeup.
Collecting seed in the wild is based on timing. Normally seeds are ripe about 4-6 weeks after flowering, but this changes on temperature during the ripening process. I missed them in the wild last year in nearly every population I visited due to a week of warm weather.
Aaron
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I've tried using pantyhose fabric to collect seeds of Anemone caucasica, but have found that the smallest available size of self-seal (zip lock) plastic bag is better because it's much easier to put on. You leave the opening slightly unsealed around the stem so there's some air circulation.
You can buy these bags about 1" square at dealers in plastics.
This method worked very well last year and I intend to use the same method to capture seed from my hepaticas (nothing special) this year.
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Diane, maby I start to drink thea instead of coffee, last year I also have problems withe mice eating the seeds in my selfmade bags.
Aaron, a hilside ful of Hepatica must be heaven on earth,
here two from seed harvest in 2007
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Hi Vilma, thanks for asking the question about Hepatica seeds. I haven't had much luck with seeds ( only meconopsis ) and I am wanting to learn more. Isn't it great the help and advice that we receive from our forum friends.
Thanks Angie :)
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Diane, maby I start to drink thea instead of coffee, last year I also have problems withe mice eating the seeds in my selfmade bags.
Aaron, a hilside ful of Hepatica must be heaven on earth,
here two from seed harvest in 2007
Two very nice ones Chris, the first one incredibly hairy!
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http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4882.msg139686#msg139686
Reply #137 on: March 03, 2010, 08:50:06 PM .... Chris showed us pix of a pink H.yamatutai which very clearly showed the notched calyx bracts ( probably not the proper name for these, sorry) whereas in most of the other photos I see on this thread these bracts seem to be simple, entire oval shapes.
Is the notched form unusual, confined to only a certain type ? I find it rather attractive and wondered how prevalent a feature this might be? I'' repeat Chris' photos here for reference:
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I haven't had much luck with seeds ( only meconopsis )
Thanks Angie :)
Angie - You seem to have jumped to the head of the class!
johnw
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Maggy, I looked to my other H.yamatutai and they have all the notched form, even the double one and the one with the marbled leave, on the white one it is not so strong and sometimes no notched forms, my H.henryi dont have it at all,
some more pix to show it
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Is the notched form unusual, confined to only a certain type ? I find it rather attractive and wondered how prevalent a feature this might be? I''
I agree this bract shape is particular to, and characteristic of, H yamatutoi.
Flora of China (although classifying H yamatutoi as H henryi) says:
involucral bracts margin entire or 3-toothed, apex acute.
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Chris, Diane, thank you very much.
Next question..... could this feature be bred into hybrids?
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I will try it this year, Maggy, just wait another 3 years and you now it,
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I will try it this year, Maggy, just wait another 3 years and you now it,
;D :) I will wait happily to see what happens!
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Hepatica acutiloba tends to have a sweet fragrance like what we call Jawbreaker candies here in the US. It is especially strong on still warm spring days when you can smell it coming down a hillside full of Hepatica. I have not noticed this in H. americana. A friend in Japan says certain populations of H. japonica are also "fragrant" which he likened to womens powder makeup.
Collecting seed in the wild is based on timing. Normally seeds are ripe about 4-6 weeks after flowering, but this changes on temperature during the ripening process. I missed them in the wild last year in nearly every population I visited due to a week of warm weather.
Dear Aaron, thank you for sharing this information :). I've spent a good few minutes trying to smell my H. acutilobas today (in fact, this late afternoon). I couldn't catch the scent (it takes a special H.acutiloba ::) or a special nose :) ).
Please, it would be nice to hear about the H. nob. var japonicas that have the fragrance.
Isn't it great the help and advice that we receive from our forum friends.
Thanks Angie :)
I agree with you, Angie :).
Dear Gail, Diane and Rodger, thank you for the invaluable tips. You make it so much easier for the inexperienced and impatient :) .
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Dear Chris, a wonderful collection of hepaticas! :) :) There must be hundreds of them in your garden and alpine house/-s. ::) It must be pretty special when Spring comes into your yard. Thank you for sharing with us :)
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I haven't had much luck with seeds ( only meconopsis )
Thanks Angie :)
Angie - You seem to have jumped to the head of the class!
johnw
I agree, this is obviously your speciality Angie and no mean feat to grow meconopsis....I can't wait to see the results later on ;)
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Chris,
Here is a mountain side with Hepatica. Sadly most in this population are white, but the white tend to have more fragrance. These on a sunny warm day smell really good. Not all H. acutiloba have fragrance. I have noticed those from Missouri and Arkansas do not have much, but those from east Tennessee and Georgia do have some. Even then it varies from population to population and within populations.
I wish I knew more about the H. japonica with fragrance. I had a single plant once that died. Now I only have seedlings in their second year. I may have information on where they came from.
Aaron
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thank you Aaron, I will look to your picture while I sniff on my H.acutiloba,
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I brought my H. acutiloba indoors to warm it up a bit but sadly cannot detect any fragrance. Lovely to see them in the wild!
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Chris, Diane, thank you very much.
Next question..... could this feature be bred into hybrids?
Maggy, I took a look on my crossings from last year and I have crossed H.yamatutai with two japanese forms and now I have from each cross some seedlings, I think 2 years and we will see the result.
here H.'Fusei' with different pix, the flowers change in 2 weeks
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After a long winter it is nice to see pictures of Hepatica in flower. Today I took pictures of 2 new Hepatica which we bought in the autumn.
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Sorry I forgot one of the pictures
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Hepatica japonica. Purple two step double and Hepatica japonica Ko-Shu are both very fancy types I don't think I have seen them before.
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Hepatica japonica. Purple two steep double and Hepatica japonica Ko-Shu are both very fancy types I don't think I have seen them before.
I think it should be "Purple Two Step Double", but surely the price is steep if you were to buy one ;D Both are gorgeous, although I like the green ruff on Ko-shu.
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Of course, it is STEP and not steep. I am attaching 3 other Hepatica without names only a description. It is not unusual that Hepatica japonica do not get a name.
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They are very nice, Karl. I like the colours on Ko-shu.
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Ko-shu is a beauty, Karl
here the changing in 2 weeks of H.'Ho-sen'
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Chris and Karl your Hepatica are like works of art; thanks for your great photos of them :)
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Chris,
I love that 'Ho-sen',
Here's a picture of another one which has opened today in the garden:
Hepatica japonica 'Shirayuki'
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Well here is my one and only double,looking at all these beautifull pictures only makes me want more
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WRT 'Shirayuki'
All the buds on my specimen (acquired a year ago) have gone blind. Any idea what may have caused that? Too dry at some point?
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Rodger, I had the same problem with divisions I made, I think the roots are not able to take enough moisture, the plant will survive and let the flowers not developpe
that is what I think, maby there are other visions.
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And another one which has opened today in my garden:
Hepatica japonica 'Yuzuru'
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My old fellow opened up outside this morning.
I seem to be way behind everyone else.
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Wild but wonderful in their simplicity in the late afternoon light...... the first Hepatica in the local woodland :)
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Just enchanting! Great pic!
Gerd
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My compliment Robin :D
is this not very early for your area ?
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I'm so glad you like the photo Gerd and Hans :)
Hepatica are just pushing through the woodland floor since it rained a couple of days ago.....so surprising to see when everything else is still brown and in bud....
I see from my previous photos that they were up on March 19th in 2009 in sheltered woodland areas here....blues and violets too (more difficult to photograph ;D)
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They never look more beautiful than in the wild Robin !
Thanks for sharing these !
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Beautiful, Robin.
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My hepaticas have not done particularly well this year. They were all late coming into flower and seemed not to flower so well as usual.
Here's a few from the weekend:
Hepatica japonica dark pink
Hepatica japonica unusual plum colour
Hepatica japonica own seedling from a lilac parent
Hepatica japonica blue-ish white with blue anthers
Hepatica japonica greeny with pink anthers (love it/hate it!)
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My hepaticas have not done particularly well this year. They were all late coming into flower and seemed not to flower so well as usual.
Here's a few from the weekend:
Hepatica japonica dark pink
Hepatica japonica unusual plum colour
Hepatica japonica own seedling from a lilac parent
Hepatica japonica blue-ish white with blue anthers
Hepatica japonica greeny with pink anthers (love it/hate it!)
Love it! All are nice, but the greeny one with pink anthers is terrific.
Robin, your pure and simple white one is a true beauty!
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Robin, like Luc said, in the wild they are often the most beautiful, thanks for showing us.
Diane,
love the white one with blue anthers and the green one.
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Hepatica japonica greeny with pink anthers (love it/hate it!)
I also love it Diane ! 8)
Very different but very nice indeed !!
(the others aren't bad either... :))
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Thanks Luc, Anne, McMark and Wim for expressing your thoughts about the wild white hepatica :)
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Diane,I love it.These are the last of mine from inside but those outside are improving daily.The last one is the plant that received an award of merit at the Loughborough Show.
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John,
can't compete against that. Very nice to see such a big collection.
Here's one which is flowering here today:
Hepatica transsilvanica 'Eisvögel'
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John what a amazing collection, it must be wonderful going into your greenhouse and seeing all those happy faces looking at you, what a sight 8)
Angie :)
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Diane, lovely Hepatica especially the colour of this one:
Hepatica japonica unusual plum colour
Will it come true again?
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John,
You never cease to amaze me with your enormous and wonderful collection !!!
:o :o
Thanks again for showing !!
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Diane, lovely Hepatica especially the colour of this one:
Hepatica japonica unusual plum colour
Will it come true again?
Only time will tell ;)
IF it sets seed, IF the seed germinates, then I'll let you know in three years 8)
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All snow gone at last ;D.
Hepatica transsilvanica 'Schwanensee'
Hepatica transsilvanica 'Buis'
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Gunilla,I rather like the look of 'Schwanensee',it is not one that I have heard of before though it is very similar to lilacina or rosea which are synonymous as I understand it.
What is the English translation of Schwanensee ?
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What is the English translation of Schwanensee ?
'Swan Lake' ..... which one would think would be for a white flower :-X
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Perhaps someone got the labels mixed up at some stage.
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Yes it is an odd name :-\ It's from Andreas Haendel in Germany and this is his own description of it :
"hellrosa Blüten mit roten Staubgefäßen- eine meiner schönsten frühen Züchtungen".
The flowers are rather small compared with my other H. transsilvanicas.
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"hellrosa Blüten mit roten Staubgefäßen- eine meiner schönsten frühen Züchtungen"
= "light pink flowers with red stamens, one of my best early varieties"
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If only mine flowered as well as John's :( I'm lucky to get a handful on each plant.
My 11 plants have 11, 9, 2, 5, 12, 4, 6, 5, 7, 10 and 8 flowers. This is an average of only 7 flowers per plant. There is no point keeping for another year.
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Thanks both Gunilla and Maggie for the interpretation.It does seem an odd name for the description or vice versa.My lilacina/rosea aren't in flower yet so I am unable to compare.
Mark,patience is required.
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John I've been waiting for about 5 years already!
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If only mine flowered as well as John's :( I'm lucky to get a handful on each plant.
My 11 plants have 11, 9, 2, 5, 12, 4, 6, 5, 7, 10 and 8 flowers. This is an average of only 7 flowers per plant. There is no point keeping for another year.
Well if they need a home............? ;D
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Mark,patience is required.
I'm sure you've told us this before John, but is there something other than patience required (like feeding, or prayer...)?
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This may be the only one I will keep
H. nobilis Prickle
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What am I going to do with these? :o
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Mark,
that are a lot of seedlings. What was their parent plant?
You can always pot them up individually and see what you get ;D
That 'Prickle' is very nice!
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Wim I have difficulty flowering so it's unlikely anything will happen with these. The seedlings are nobilis open pollinated
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If only mine flowered as well as John's :( I'm lucky to get a handful on each plant.
My 11 plants have 11, 9, 2, 5, 12, 4, 6, 5, 7, 10 and 8 flowers. This is an average of only 7 flowers per plant. There is no point keeping for another year.
Feed them Mark!
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I do, I do
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I offered to take them off your hands :P
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David, I can send you some Hepatica if you want.
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This may be the only one I will keep
H. nobilis Prickle
If this were in the Crocus message threads, all would be screaming "Virus" ;D
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Mark don't give up with them. I would be happy if my seeded themselves everywhere.
Angie :)
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Angie it's the plants in pots I cant get to flower.
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Those who are sucessfull with many flowers
1. what is your potting mix
2. when and with what do you feed them?
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Mark don't give up with them. I would be happy if my seeded themselves everywhere.
Angie :)
Oh didn't read that right ::)
I bought some at Dunblane from Ian Christie last month, nothing to unusual but they have plenty of flowers on them, but will have to wait and see what I get next year. I would like to keep them in pots so it will be interesting to hear answers to your last post.
Angie :)
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Those who are sucessfull with many flowers
1. what is your potting mix
2. when and with what do you feed them?
1. Equal parts JI3, Cambark Fine, Perlite.
2. Weekly with 1/4 strength Phostrogen, subsequent to the new leaves appearing until end of September.
Plants are very heavily shaded.
I don't know about "many flowers", but enough to make it worthwhile.
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Sounds like an excellent recipe Gerry !! :D
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Mark read this from the Wisley alpine Log.
COMPOST MIX
I use: 1 part John Innes no.3, 1 part leaf mould, 1 part perlite and 1 part composted bark, (all parts by volume). I add 3g per litre of mix of Vitax Q4 fertiliser and 2g of dolomitic limestone per litre of mix
REPOTTING
Repot each year just after flowering. This must be done very carefully and remember patience is a virtue - shake off all the old compost and look closely at the roots.
HOT TIP: - Now's the time to remove any damaged roots. Also look for any swollen nodules on the roots and cut these off - these may be a nematode pest. If the roots are madly vigorous they may be cut back by about one third.
Position the crown of the plant high in the pot, and fill to the brim with compost, then gently tap the pot on the bench just to settle it. Label immediately - you can't afford to get names mixed up or misplaced!
Water in afterwards and the job is done.
HOT TIP: - Do not pot too firmly. Don't squash the compost and hold the crown at the right level so that you don't bury it as you fill the pot.
WATERING & FEEDING
I always water early in the morning when it's coolest. Liquid feeding can be done in spring and autumn but withheld during summer. I feed with a balanced fertiliser and also give them some liquid seaweed extract feeds.
Water more frequently in early spring, less in summer & autumn, but never allow Hepatica's to dry out completely. During summer I damp down the floor and between the pots to increase humidity.
HOT TIP: - Remember to tell the plants how beautiful they are and say "Please grow well for me"!! My colleagues think I'm a bit mad but I know it works.
SHADING
Hepaticas' natural habitat is very dense woodland, and should be heavily shaded as soon as the flowers have finished. I put shading on the glass and also move the plants under the benches where it is even shadier. In November I take all the shading off again and put the plants back on the bench - winter light encourages better flowering.
HOT TIP:- The plants will tell you when it's time to shade - immediately after flowering, shading on and as the autumn leaves start to fall it is shading off. Keep it simple.
VENTILATION
Hepatica's like to be well ventilated so I have 2 fans blowing air on them constantly
PROPAGATION
Seed does not often come true, so if you want to ensure that offspring are identical to the parent then dividing is the thing to do. Do this while repotting - CAREFULLY teasing plants apart. Each individual crown with roots attached can be potted separately. If you don't mind the variation, growing from seed is fairly easy. Seed must be collected while still green i.e. very fresh or it will not germinate. Sow immediately onto a compost of equal parts of John Innes seed compost, leafmould and perlite. Cover with 0.5cm of grit, water gently in and place in a shady position. Germination will occur the following spring. This may be 10 months after sowing, so patience helps! I leave them to develop during their first summer, and then in late September or early October remove and carefully separate the young plants and pot individually
GOOD HOUSEKEEPING
My favourite, I do like to keep my house in order! So I'm daily looking at my plants and removing the odd fading flower petals, to stop them falling into the crown of the plant as this can cause rotting. I also remove any leaves that look diseased or damaged.
HOT TIP: - When deadheading the hepaticas, be careful not to damage the crown of the plant. Only remove old flower stems when they pull out easily.
You can all enjoy the beauty of this unusual Alpine. I can think of nothing better for early spring when they express pure beauty and charm. Good luck and happy growing!
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al of my H.yamatutai have these divided bracts
Chris, just a follow up on the H.yamatutai hyb. I just noticed today that my hyb plant has the leaves divided like the bracts on H.yamatutai
It is the only one in my collection with this leaf.
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Thanks Michael
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Some transylvanica cultivars flowering outside.
Karpetenkronen
Harvington Beauty
Ellison Spence
and one that I missed from the greenhouse although it can be grown outside.Haven't had the courage to try it yet
Millstream Merlin
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Michael... thanks too ,lots of great information to help me.
Angie :)
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Millstream Merlin is very nice - good shape and colour.
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Some transylvanica cultivars flowering outside.
Karpetenkronen
Harvington Beauty
Ellison Spence
and one that I missed from the greenhouse although it can be grown outside.Haven't had the courage to try it yet
Millstream Merlin
Ooohhh, so much beautifu; blue, there's never too much blue. Is the 'Millstream Merlin' from the late Linc Foster, who's garden name was 'Millstream'? The depth of blue color and bright yellow center, make this one a standout!
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"Millstream Merlin" originated at Linc Foster's garden "Millstream".
He may mention it in the book he wrote.
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"Millstream Merlin" originated at Linc Foster's garden "Millstream".
He may mention it in the book he wrote.
It is not mentioned in Linc Foster's "Rock Gardening" book. I've been told the plant is Hep. transsilvanica x H. nobilis americana (= x media).
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I saw it at Hexham show on Saturday - a really good deep pure blue. Flowers all female as far as I could see, so no stamens to sully the blueness. One I will bewatching out for.
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Ivor Betteridge's plant of Hepatica 'Millstream Merlin' that won a First in the 1 pan Ranunculaceae Class at Exeter last Saturday
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Ivor Betteridge's plant of Hepatica 'Millstream Merlin' that won a First in the 1 pan Ranunculaceae Class at Exeter last Saturday
Easy to see why that plant won, must be the bluest of blue hepatica ever, and those yellow-button centers really set off the color. I've never seen this plant offered in nurseries here, but it must be in the USA if it is a Millstream Garden plant from Farmington, Connecticut (about 115 miles southwest of me). I will search for it.
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McMark.... perhaps John Lonsdale might have it?
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'Millstream Merlin' received an AM in 1989 & I read about it many years ago. The description I saw did not mention the fact that it lacked stamens. As far as I am concerned, & despite the striking colour, this makes it a no-no.
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'Millstream Merlin' received an AM in 1989 & I read about it many years ago. The description I saw did not mention the fact that it lacked stamens. As far as I am concerned, & despite the striking colour, this makes it a no-no.
Can you explain ???
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'Millstream Merlin' received an AM in 1989 & I read about it many years ago. The description I saw did not mention the fact that it lacked stamens. As far as I am concerned, & despite the striking colour, this makes it a no-no.
It is, I believe, what the Japanese call a "maiden" - no male parts to sully the beauty ;D
although some H japonica maidens can set seed, I believe that Millstream Merlin, being a hybrid, is sterile and cannot set seed.
Here's a maiden H acutiloba, looking for all the world like Millstream Merlin except for more conspicuous acutiloba-shaped bracts (and the flower stems are a bit taller)
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'Millstream Merlin' received an AM in 1989 & I read about it many years ago. The description I saw did not mention the fact that it lacked stamens. As far as I am concerned, & despite the striking colour, this makes it a no-no.
Can you explain ???
It means I don't like it.
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It is, I believe, what the Japanese call a "maiden" - no male parts to sully the beauty ;D
Oh dear. This rather reminds me of Ruskin's supposed attitude to the anatomy of the human female.
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'Millstream Merlin' received an AM in 1989 & I read about it many years ago. The description I saw did not mention the fact that it lacked stamens. As far as I am concerned, & despite the striking colour, this makes it a no-no.
Can you explain ???
It means I don't like it.
Now, Gerry, sex isn't everything, you know! :-\ ::) ;)
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It is, I believe, what the Japanese call a "maiden" - no male parts to sully the beauty ;D
Oh dear. This rather reminds me of Ruskin's supposed attitude to the anatomy of the human female.
At the risk of contradicting my last post: Poor Mrs Ruskin :-X
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At the risk of contradicting my last post: Poor Mrs Ruskin :-X
Effie Ruskin was okay Maggi - she had the marriage annulled and went off with John Millais.
And speaking of such things...
I had some seed of Hepatica maxima from Ashwood nursery. The mother was certainly H. maxima but I think she has been enjoying the attentions of other hepaticas at the nursery as the three children of hers that I've raised look of hybrid origin...
All three had lovely beetroot coloured leaves over winter but unfortunately the rabbits here think hepaticas look better without leaves... The first pink has very large flowers (unfortunately the same dear fluffy bunny rabbit thought this plant would look better without flower too and a couple of hours after I took the picture the plant was bare!), the deep violet is smaller and very velvety looking. The pink with just one flower (thanks Bunny) has a very small flower more typical of H. maxima which is maxima only in leaf. The potted plant is true H. maxima from Edrom nursery, sadly didn't flower this year, not sure if to blame rabbit or not though.
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'Millstream Merlin' received an AM in 1989 & I read about it many years ago. The description I saw did not mention the fact that it lacked stamens. As far as I am concerned, & despite the striking colour, this makes it a no-no.
Can you explain ???
It means I don't like it.
Now, Gerry, sex isn't everything, you know! :-\ ::) ;)
Maggi - you mean I've been mistaken all my life?
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Gerry... all life is a mystery..... who knows which parts are the mistakes!?? :-X
Gail: I know that Effie went on to marry Millais and have eight children,(though all with Millais, as far as I know, unlike your Ashwood girl!)) but the Ruskins all were horrible to her and as she was a wee Scots lassie I have to sympathise with her :D
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Now, Gerry, sex isn't everything, you know! :-\ ::) ;)
Maggi - you mean I've been mistaken all my life?
Gerry, perhaps consider growing Hepatica 'Millstream Merlin' underneath a Fringe Tree (Chionanthus virginicus), a dioecious tree and most often male, the flowers composed of bunches of long dangly male flowers :o :o :o The tree's other common names, Grancy Gray-beard & Old-Man's Beard are manly names as well. The male tree is said to have much larger showier flowers. Think of the possibilities with the female Hepatica below :o :o ;D
Actually, this tree can polygamodioecious (flowers predominantly one sex, with some flowers of the other sex present). My male tree started to show some promiscuity the last couple years, exploring its feminine side, resulting in some large dark blackish-blue drupes in late summer :-[
Can't tell sexes apart unless looking closely, but typically the female trees have flowers with shorter, curled petals, making rounded, softer looking flower puffs... the link below I'm guessing shows a female plant. I need to go take a shower ;D
http://www.mobot.org/gardeninghelp/images/low/C120-0628057cs.jpg
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Anyone got any info' about this new introduction from Scandinavia please?
Hepatica 'Dåre'
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Here are some Hepatica in the wild, taken yesterday in an area where I do a lot of field work. The first are some acutiloba which prefers calcareous sites on steep slopes, sometimes growing in cracks in rocks. Then H. americana - prefering acidic sites with sandy soil. Then where the two meet in this area, which is very rare to see them together, I have finally found some that seem to be hybrids. I have several sites where the two grow in close proximity (<30m), but only at one site did I see and possible hybridization.
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And an older picture of an open H. americana to compare the petal shape. And the leaf of H. insularis.
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Here are some Hepatica in the wild, taken yesterday in an area where I do a lot of field work. The first are some acutiloba which prefers calcareous sites on steep slopes, sometimes growing in cracks in rocks. Then H. americana - prefering acidic sites with sandy soil. Then where the two meet in this area, which is very rare to see them together, I have finally found some that seem to be hybrids. I have several sites where the two grow in close proximity (<30m), but only at one site did I see and possible hybridization.
Thanks Aaron for showing this series of American Hepatica in the wild. Are these all in Tennessee? In the first photo, with the lovely white flowers, it is interesting to see plants in the wild where they aren't groomed, here clearly visible is the previous years growth. Good to see and compare differences between acutiloba and americana... the LovelySpring americana has most attractive mottled leaves, and the hybrids look good too. Do I spy a Coptis in the acutiloba x americana pic? I'm not familiar with H. insularis, glad to make its acquaintance...good leaves.
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Wonderful to see these American plants in the wild. For my taste H. acutiloba is the loveliest of all hepaticas.
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All of them are in Tennessee except the H. americana _AR_ from Arkansas. The H. americana in this area have extremely attractive leaves and some of them have red or reddish-brown immature pistils which is something undocumented so far. I've only seen them in two places along a SW-NE-trending line bordering the front edge of the Cumberland Mountains.
I must agree Gerry. Hepatica acutiloba is a large plant with large and numerous flowers. Most in the photos were unfortunately that sickly honey scent, while those from Ivydale were sweet and sugar-candy-like. Acutiloba is not always white either (ca. 90% are though). I have pale pink picotee forms, dark purples, pinks, pink-eyed plants, and more. Hopefully hybridization will bring about some better color forms.
Insularis is from Korea and a very tiny species. These had small pink flowers < 1cm across.
Aaron
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Three Hepaticas in flower this week.
The pink is a propagation from a Heronswood "select pink" planted out last autumn.
The nobilis Rosea came from Vera Peck and maybe originally from a Czech nursery.
The transylvanica was received as the species but looks like a selection. ???
Spring is proceeding far too quickly here. One Rhododendron kiusianum is swelling rapidly, fully 6 weeks ahead. There will surely be a frost before month's end, shades of 1981 I'm afraid - that was a corker.
johnw
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John - your H. transylvanica (or H. transsilvanica) might be the cv. 'Elison Spence', but looking much better than that form ever does with me.
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Gerry - Thanks. Your i.d led me to the Hepatica.org where Gunilla mentions another similar one called "Konny Grenfield". Also a reference to another called "Kyrvingberg". To me ours looks a bit more like "Konny Grenfield" but I haven't paid attention to its changes from bud to maturity. I hadn't realized there were so few semi-double transsilvanicas.
Maybe Gunilla can offer some thoughts. Here is a very poor shot but it shows one bud to the rear that had just opened. I just checked and it was from Grand Ridge Nursery 12/97 and simply labelled H. transsilvanica "Double Blue".
johnw
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Anyone got any info' about this new introduction from Scandinavia please?
Hepatica 'Dåre'
A very rare and interesting Hepatica, Cliff. I have heard that you can only see it in flower one day every year. Can't say that I like the name though, it sounds a bit foolish ;)
Gerry - Thanks. Your i.d led me to the Hepatica.org where Gunilla mentions another similar one called "Konny Grenfield". Also a reference to another called "Kyrvingberg". To me ours looks a bit more like "Konny Grenfield" but I haven't paid attention to its changes from bud to maturity. I hadn't realized there were so few semi-double transsilvanicas.
johnw
I can't help much I'm afraid. The plant I have as H. transsilvanica 'Elison Spence' is very similar to the one shown by John Gennard earlier in this thread. It does change a lot from bud to fully developed flower. The colour is pale blue. I do not grow the one called "Konny Grenfield" but am told that it is a darker blue colour. On the few pictures I've seen of it, it looks very similar to 'Elison Spence'. I would really like to see the two side by side.
Hepatica nobilis "Kyrvinberg" is a double blue found in Norway. You can read more about it here:
http://www.hepatica.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=30 (http://www.hepatica.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=30)
Here are some old photos of my 'Elison Spence'
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I can't help much I'm afraid. The plant I have as H. transsilvanica 'Elison Spence' is very similar to the one shown by John Gennard earlier in this thread. It does change a lot from bud to fully developed flower. The colour is pale blue. I do not grow the one called "Konny Grenfield" but am told that it is a darker blue colour. On the few pictures I've seen of it, it looks very similar to 'Elison Spence'. I would really like to see the two side by side.
"Konny Grenfield" should be Connie Greenfield. However, this plant IS the same as "Elison Spence" as Connie Greenfield was connected with the original discovery of the plant (in Ireland? I think?). Connie Greenfield brought some plants back to England, and the original plants bore her name (I have one of the originals, it was given to me by Gwen Baker, with the label "ex Connie Greenfield"). The correct name is "Elison Spence" - I am not sure who the name refers to, I've always guessed it was the person whose garden it was growing in - can anyone else confirm this?
edit by Diane - Sorry - I'm not sure why I originally put Ellison - just a mental blip, corrected to Elison above
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Thanks Diane for the information. I am very pleased to hear that they are in fact the same plant. I have been tempted to buy "Connie Greenfield" from Jurgen Peters but the price and the fact that it looked so similar to my 'Elison Spence' stopped me :D.
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I can't help much I'm afraid. The plant I have as H. transsilvanica 'Elison Spence' is very similar to the one shown by John Gennard earlier in this thread. It does change a lot from bud to fully developed flower. The colour is pale blue. I do not grow the one called "Konny Grenfield" but am told that it is a darker blue colour. On the few pictures I've seen of it, it looks very similar to 'Elison Spence'. I would really like to see the two side by side.
"Konny Grenfield" should be Connie Greenfield. However, this plant IS the same as "Ellison Spence" as Connie Greenfield was connected with the original discovery of the plant (in Ireland? I think?). Connie Greenfield brought some plants back to England, and the original plants bore her name (I have one of the originals, it was given to me by Gwen Baker, with the label "ex Connie Greenfield"). The correct name is "Ellison Spence" - I am not sure who the name refers to, I've always guessed it was the person whose garden it was growing in - can anyone else confirm this?
In AGS Bull. [58 (2), June 1990] in a review of Hepatica, Michael Myers writes as follows:
"'Elison Spence' (sic) is a double blue variety from Ireland; when shown by Molly Sanderson in 1973 it won an AM under the name of H. transsilvanica 'Flore Plena', this was later changed to commemorate the lady who introduced it."
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In 'Manavlins' no.29, Spring 1998 Kath Dryden lists this as H. transylvanica 'Mrs. Elison Spence'. I had my plant from Kath but it has never thrived.
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In AGS Bull. [58 (2), June 1990] in a review of Hepatica, Michael Myers writes as follows:
"'Elison Spence' (sic) is a double blue variety from Ireland; when shown by Molly Sanderson in 1973 it won an AM under the name of H. transsilvanica 'Flore Plena', this was later changed to commemorate the lady who introduced it."
Thanks for this information Gerry. I'm not actually at home, I'm writing this at someone's else's house, so couldn't check anything out, including spelling of Elison, which I have now corrected in my post above, a mental blip made me put Ellison
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Thank-you to everyone.
I will re-label it 'Elison Spence'.
Funny how the freshly open flower on the one here differs from the one in Gunilla's first shot. Dark blue versus light blue/ pink. Is this variability climatic?
johnw
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As I grow my hepatica out in the garden I have to wait for spring before I can enjoy them. It has been a long and cold winter this year but my plants now look better then ever. I think the snow cover have protected them and the cold kept them from a too early start.
Hepatica x media 'Ballardii'
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Gunilla Hepatica x media 'Ballardii' is absolutely lovely - your photo shows the blue in perfect detail, did you take it in the late afternoon?
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Thanks Robin. Yes I did. It was much too sunny earlier in the day. I do like the sun though :)
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Great series Gunilla - your pix make our Hepatica season longer !!!!
The flowers have gone here, but now the foliage is coming along.
Here's Hep. japonica x pyrenaica :
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Very nice foliage on that one, Luc. All your lovely pics have made my Hepatica season longer too :). Hope you can cope with a few late ones ;)
H. nobilis 'Rubra Plena' - never lets you down
H. nobilis var. japonica 'Orihime' - tiny flowers
H. transsilvanica 'Karpatenkrone' - huge flowers
H. nobilis 'Czech Form'
dark seedling
white seedling
seedling
seedling
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A super selection of flowers, Gunilla... a delight! 8)
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The flowers have gone here, but now the foliage is coming along.
Here's Hep. japonica x pyrenaica :
Both parents have striking leaf patterns - so has the hybrid!
Luc, was it your own cross?
Gerd
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Gunilla,
Your double red looks very much like the one I received as originally found in Dalsland and subsequently distributed to many. It is a very strong grower and the most vigorous double I have grown.
I wonder where and how Ellison Spence originated. Transsylvanica is - I have been told - endemic to Hungary.
Cheers
Göte
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Mine are just starting.
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Anyone got any info' about this new introduction from Scandinavia please?
Hepatica 'Dåre'
It is not a Hepatica. It is a Lirpa communis belonging to ranunculaceae (like some people I know - or is it theother way round??)
Cheers
Göte
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It is the staple food of the Belorussian costal muddler which can be seen at the Gothenburg zoological museum once a year.
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Some pictures from today,
Hepatica Acutiloba
Hepatica Japonica Apple Blossom
Hepatica Seedlings
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some Hepatica nobilis last week,
Wolfgang
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Hepatica nobilis Part 2
regards, Wolfgang
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All types and colours have great charm, do they not?
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The flowers have gone here, but now the foliage is coming along.
Here's Hep. japonica x pyrenaica :
Both parents have striking leaf patterns - so has the hybrid!
Luc, was it your own cross?
Gerd
Sorry to be late replying Gerd.
Actually, it was not my own cross, it was bought as such !
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Wolfgang, there are some beautiful flowers. I especially like 2117 which is a very nice shape.
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Another shot of H. transsilvanica Elsion Spence from today.
johnw
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Wolfgang,
Your 2117 has the widest petals I have ever seen on a nobilis.
This could be the start of a new breed.
Cheers
Göte
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Two or three years ago I bought two Hepaticas labelled Hepatica nobilis pale pink at the local Garden centre. I was intrigued by the size of the flowers and the fact that they appeared to have pink, white and blue in the same flower.
The first one is an original. The second one died or is not doing well, but pictured are seedlings from seeds which had dropped into a neighbouring pot.
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Two or three years ago I bought two Hepaticas labelled Hepatica nobilis pale pink at the local Garden centre. I was intrigued by the size of the flowers and the fact that they appeared to have pink, white and blue in the same flower.
The first one is an original. The second one died or is not doing well, but pictured are seedlings from seeds which had dropped into a neighbouring pot.
The light petal center of the bottom one is not unusual; especially on pink forms. The bluish tinge to the top pink is something I have not seen before.
Cheers
Göte
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Roma, lovely shape and colour. I visited a place not far from here were hepaticas grow in abundance but did not find any with that wide petals nor did I see any white, red or pink forms.
One of the last to flower in my garden is H. nobilis 'Odette'
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A lovely full flower, Gunilla - is it named because of that?
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What a way to come to the end your Hepatica season, Gunilla, with H. nobilis 'Odette' - gorgeous :)
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Thanks, I like it too :)
Anne, it's one of Andreas Handel's selections. I have not thought of the name before but now it all makes sense. Earlier I showed another of his plants, the pink transsilvanica 'Schwanensee' (Swan Lake) and Odette is the princess turned into a swan in the ballet. I know that he also has a lovely white nobilis called 'Giselle' named after another ballet, I believe.
Schwanensee flowered for a long period.
H. transsilvanica 'Schwanensee'
A blue double found by my father many years ago
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A very subtle pink on "Schwanensee" Gunilla !!
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Hello Hepatica lovers
I tried to send you my article on Hepatica. the pdf file is 517.000 however the limit is at 500.00 So it did not work. Is there another way to send it to you? ( if you are interested)
Ben Zonneveld
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Ben, Thank you for this article which I was very pleased to receive from you. I have reduced the size of the pdf and it is now approx. 470kb.... I will resend it to you and then you should be able to send it to those with the 500kb limit. :)
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1, 2) Hepatica nobilis 'Rubra Plena'
3, 4, 5, 6) Hepatica transylvanica
7, 8) These photos are about the closest to true colour (rich blue-purple) that I've managed to get this year - Hepatica nobilis.
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good show, lori--i like the transylvannica especially--like the colour and shape, though nobilis is nice too; i guess because blues are much less common here than violets (i mean as general flower colours) the less violet shades catch my eye first..
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Thanks, I like it too :)
H. transsilvanica 'Schwanensee'
lovely colour and form on this one, gunilla..
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good show, lori--i like the transylvannica especially--like the colour and shape, though nobilis is nice too; i guess because blues are much less common here than violets (i mean as general flower colours) the less violet shades catch my eye first..
Cohan, if only I could capture the colour accurately (dang!), you'd see that that form of C. nobilis is nothing like the colour of any of our native plants - it's really most unusual and beautiful! Given my rudimentary photography skills, I guess you'll just have to see it some day.
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good show, lori--i like the transylvannica especially--like the colour and shape, though nobilis is nice too; i guess because blues are much less common here than violets (i mean as general flower colours) the less violet shades catch my eye first..
Cohan, if only I could capture the colour accurately (dang!), you'd see that that form of C. nobilis is nothing like the colour of any of our native plants - it's really most unusual and beautiful! Given my rudimentary photography skills, I guess you'll just have to see it some day.
part/much of it is the camera's capability, but blues are hard to capture! i can see though that this is a deeper/bluer blue than anything that grows around here..
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Yes, we discovered the problem that cameras have with the blue spectrum (something to do with the visible spectrum and... ?) first with blue-flowered tropical water lilies. A solution, apparently, is to use a filter (though that is beyond my abilities and inclination)... though you can tell when a filter has been used as everything turns blue, including the yellow stamens on the water lilies. It sort of helps to reduce the exposure, though I try not to fiddle too much with photos.
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Yes, we discovered the problem that cameras have with the blue spectrum (something to do with the visible spectrum and... ?) first with blue-flowered tropical water lilies. A solution, apparently, is to use a filter (though that is beyond my abilities and inclination)... though you can tell when a filter has been used as everything turns blue, including the yellow stamens on the water lilies. It sort of helps to reduce the exposure, though I try not to fiddle too much with photos.
In the bad old days of film, most films were notorious for rendering blue flowers as purple, and rendering all red as bright undifferentiated fire-engine red. Kodak published a formula for the filter pack you needed to use to get the blue flowers rendered properly, but it involved so many filters that it dimmed things by a full three stops (iirc), so you had to take much longer exposures. It was not a practical solution! If it had been, I'd have all the filters needed.
Digital cameras seem to have much better color rendition as a general rule, but they're not perfect. There are two ways to deal with the imperfections. One, in your camera tinker with the white balance settings. Two, for every photo take a photo of a test card that includes a 17% neutral gray swatch plus a section of colors that represent pure colors. Then in post processing (Photoshop, Gimp, PaintShopPro), just tinker with the color balance until the test color patches come out right, then apply those adjustments to photos taken under the same conditions.
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In the bad old days of film, most films were notorious for rendering blue flowers as purple, and rendering all red as bright undifferentiated fire-engine red. Kodak published a formula for the filter pack you needed to use to get the blue flowers rendered properly, but it involved so many filters that it dimmed things by a full three stops (iirc), so you had to take much longer exposures. It was not a practical solution! If it had been, I'd have all the filters needed.
The problem was (and still is) that the sensitivity of the film goes further into red than the sensitivity of the eye. Thus blue with a tinge of infrared will come out redder in the picture than the eye will see it. A typical difficult subject is Ramonda myconii. This flower seems to reflect unusually much in the infrared range of the spectrum. The problem can be solved by a single filter that cuts in the right place. A dye filter (or a stack of dye filters) will not do it but an interference filter will. An interference filter will not affect exposure time. However, they are difficult to get. (Did Kodak not know? probably they did but probably they manufactured dye filters not interference filters :( )
A digital camera has the same problem and in a much higher degree. For that reason, digital cameras come with the filter built in. If you remove the filter, your camera will take infrared pictures in the dark and also see through some kinds of garments ;) but the colour balance will of course be worse than awful. (And it is a very delicate operation)
If a blue Ramonda comes out purple or pink, the filter in your camera cuts too long wavelengths and this can be corrected by applying a filter of the correct wavelength.
An interference filter will not affect any other colour than those that come out pinkish because of the infrared problem so it can be on the camera at all times (or built in).
Cheers
Göte
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Thank you for the explanations, and solutions, Rodger and Gote!
I take it "test cards" would be available at camera stores?
If you remove the filter, your camera will take infrared pictures in the dark and also see through some kinds of garments ;)
I thought only Superman could do that!! ;D
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My Hepaticas seem to be later than everyone else's but this year the show in the forest was better than it has been for some years now. Reason: 50cm of snow prevented the roe deers from eating the buds.
Lilac hepaticas are very difficult with my camera but this time I think the colour is about right.
The white one is a true albino there is no pigment on stalks or backside of leaves (except green of course).
My transsylvanica liked the heavy snow. bets show ever.
I call the double red 'Dalsland' because this is where it was originally found. It is very vigourous and spread widely in cultivation.
Cheers
Göte
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göte--you only have the latest hepaticas because i don't have any (just watching a seedpot ;D--very little has started growing here, yet! and now we have at least 10cm of snow since this afternoon, and it is still coming! but i am happy because it was very dry before..
once again i find myself liking transylvannica best, but lilac and white are great too...
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Some hepatica photos from the wonderful Rundle Wood Gardens here in Calgary (specialty grower of alpine and woodland plants); some are named cultivars, others are spontaneous crosses... they are a little droopy after snow overnight last weekend.
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We have got this Hepatica nobilis 'Kinna' from a good friend who has had this Hepatica in his garden in about 15 years. He bought it in England, but can not remember the name of the nursery, We guess it comes from Sweden, because the name sounds Swedish. Are there some who knows something about this Hepatica?.
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Some hepatica photos from the wonderful Rundle Wood Gardens here in Calgary (specialty grower of alpine and woodland plants); some are named cultivars, others are spontaneous crosses... they are a little droopy after snow overnight last weekend.
Hi Lori,
we visited Rod and Llyn in 1999 - do they still own this nursery/garden? They were wonderful hosts and we loved their garden. We even got some hepatica seed from them, carefully brought back to Melbourne sealed inside individual plastic drinking straws - but alas - no germination!
cheers
fermi
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http://www.rundlewoodgardens.ab.ca/index.html
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Sorry, Fermi, I did not see your question, which, nonetheless, has been ably answered by Maggi!
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Thanks, Maggi and Lori.
Say "hi" to them for us when you next see them, Lori,
cheers
fermi
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Since I have mentioned the 'Dalsland' clone of double reds i think that I should show the foliage as well.
The picture shows it when it is just fully developed.
Cheers
Göte
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Thanks for the picture, Göte, that looks identical to my own plant bought in Denmark!
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Yes Göte, that is exactly how the leaves look at my plants too.
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Hello,
I wonder if I am lucky to catch somebody popping in to check on the screen. The autumn gardening is such a busy time.
I am in the need of some reassurance and advice... I have a slight worry about a few of my hepatica plants. A week ago I noticed that one of my Hepaticas has opened its flower bud. As well as pleasantly surprised I thought this unusual. One way or another, hepaticas are supposed to flower in the spring ???... However, by the end of this week at least 3 of my different hepaticas are in flower! Well…in my case when saying in flower, I mean a single flower per hepatica.
Even though it is delightful to see their beautiful flowers, I am confused and worried... If it is a trick of nature, will my hepaticas have enough energy to survive the cold winter? Will they flower again in the spring? What am I doing wrong? What can I do to slow them down (put them back into rest).
My Hepaticas are in small pots placed in the tiny 3-tear poly greenhouse outside. In the east facing garden the shade creeps in as soon as the midday, so I have removed the shading layering in hope to let the green leaves to enjoy the last of the sun and store some energy to develop large buds. However, last week we had some frost and fearing for the safety of my plants I was bringing them inside for the night. Can this be that trigger?
I hope you will be able to offer me an advice.
Thank you.
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I am in the need of some reassurance and advice... I have a slight worry about a few of my hepatica plants. A week ago I noticed that one of my Hepaticas has opened its flower bud. As well as pleasantly surprised I thought this unusual. One way or another, hepaticas are supposed to flower in the spring ???... However, by the end of this week at least 3 of my different hepaticas are in flower! Well…in my case when saying in flower, I mean a single flower per hepatica.
Vilma, this is quite a usual occurence with me too. I have at the moment about three pots with a single flower open in each, they are in different situations, so I don't think it's to do with aspect etc. I don't know why they do it, it's a bit like an occasional late (or is it early?) flower on a primula or rhododendron. I don't think what you are doing is necessarily encouraging it, and I don't know what you can do to discourage it, but I certainly wouldn't worry, as it doesn't seem to affect what they do in the spring.
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It happens occasionally in the wild too. Usually they do not repeat the performance next year. Anemone nemorosa sometimes does the same. In that case most of a clump (which of course is the same clone) does it.
No harm seem to come of it.
Göte
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Hi Vilma I have one of my Hepaticas in flower as well, mine are just outside in pots at the base of my greenhouse. Last year was the same, but like Diane has said it's nothing to worry about.
Hope you enjoy your Hepaticas I just love them and when you see some of our members plants on the forum it just makes you want more.
Will look forward to see your plants in the spring with lots of flowers on them. Good Luck.
Angie :)
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Dear ladies and Gote,
Thank you for putting my mind at rest. I am relieved to learn that I am not the first and not alone :) and the situation is not critical...
I would simply hate it to lose these hepaticas. Last year I lost 98% of all of my 2009 hepatica plants. I would simply be devastated if it happened again. Many of my 2010 hepaticas were bought at Ashwood nursery to which I travelled all the way down by car. The plants are doing so great so far. I look forward to spring (already ::) ) to discover what flowers will some of my hepaticas come up with.
Thanks again for your help.
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Last year I lost 98% of all of my 2009 hepatica plants. I would simply be devastated if it happened again.
Vilma, why did you lose most of your hepatica last year? Were the loses during summer or winter?
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Last year I lost 98% of all of my 2009 hepatica plants. I would simply be devastated if it happened again.
Vilma, why did you lose most of your hepatica last year? Were the loses during summer or winter?
Sorry to have taken so long to reply Diane. Recently my to do list expanded to stressfull proportions.
I have lost my 2009 hepaticas (8 plants) mainly due to my complete inexperience in their cultivation and impatience. I made every possible mistake.
It didn't help that I've replanted hepaticas at least 3 times that summer, cut all the leaves too early / in the autumn (they looked unhealthy) and, to make the matters worse, the snails or slugs had a go on the remaining buds as well.
Plus the weather wasn't too kind last winter. The little pots have frose through. As I have no greenhouse for wind and rain protection, trying to save my plants I sillily took them inside and watered with room temperature water (to defrost - could I have made a more damaging move!!!). As you may guess, this turned them into mash.
As you can see, it was an utter disaster and due to nobody else's fault but my own.
Since then I researched for the information on cultivation and propagation of Hepatica plants mainly on the internet as there are no books published in English language yet. I can't wait for the release of John Massey's, Ashwood Nurseries, work.
I read all forum topics on Hepatica subject. Thanks to all members who kindly share their knowledge and experience on this Forum, I seem to have done everything right this time.. ;)
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Vilma, If you would like to send me a message, I may have some spare plants you can experiment with.
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Dear Annew,
That's brilliant :)! I am thrilled. I hope my message has reached you well.
Thank you for your offer.
Vilma